Morning Glory Questions

[Encatuse]

I was curious the dangers of high doses of Morning Glory seeds as well as the dangers of regular use. ((twice-three times weekly))

Any information is much appreciated. And if anyone says

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I'll take out a gun and beat you to death with it.

[CanaBliss]

Lol true, let's here it straight up, I agree.

[Encatuse]

hahahahah

What a stoner forum.

[ganja is my game]

high use of morning glories in excessive amounts at least can cause ergot poisoning or st. anthonys fire, a disease that can cause hallucinations, gangrene, and other bad shit. im not too sure about using them in low doses a couple times a week im willing to bet it would be like using acid excessively and you could probably go schizo or somthing but thats just my opinion im not too sure.

[ganja is my game]

i would reasearch st.anthonys fire if i were you

[ganja is my game]

o fuck sorry this is my third post in a row but damn i keep remembering shit, i just wanted to say its about fucking time someone said that about errowid,,, im not saying its a bad site but jesus fucking christ you people use it waaaaay too much

[Encatuse]

Anyone know the highest relatively safe dose for morning glories?

And thanks Ganja.

[ganja is my game]

200-500 is a high dose i wouldnt exceed 500 i took 400 and puked my ass off but 2 of my friends did the same and only puked once or not at all and tripped good.

[Encatuse]

My friend does 400 about twice a week, sometimes 3 times. He never has indigestion with it. He makes it in a tea and his seeds are completely untreated.

I'm alot fatter then him.

[Edgar]

If he starts to get really bad cramps in his legs, thats a sign that he's doing it to often. The pain is from Constriction of blood vessles, and its said that in very high doses that morning glories(and HBWR seeds) can cause ergotism (though ive never actually heard of anyone getting ergotism from them.), which can lead to gangreen(not sure i spelled it right), which can lead to loss of extremities... But the cramping is just an early warning sign, nothing to worry about.

[Nullific]

Keep in mind if you're going to do them multiple times a week you will likely develop a tolerance, and taking more seeds to make up for it.
The seeds contain other alkaloids other than LSA which are probably more toxic are high enough doses as others mentioned.

[jadeius]

So here's my question, is there an easy way that anyone knows of to extract the LSA from the seeds, perhaps without using dangerous chemicals/solvents? I would REALLY like to try the morning glory seeds; I've never done LSD, so I think it would be a good moderate as opposed to losing it on LSD. Puking shouldn't be a big deal, I've done enough of that, but would it cause me to have a bad trip if I'm already tripping when I'm puking? I love to experiment but only if I can gain some knowledge first...enlighten me! :p

[lateralus]

Here's an LSA extraction thread on Lycaeum.
http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001154

[ganja is my game]

If he starts to get really bad cramps in his legs, thats a sign that he's doing it to often. The pain is from Constriction of blood vessles, and its said that in very high doses that morning glories(and HBWR seeds) can cause ergotism (though ive never actually heard of anyone getting ergotism from them.), which can lead to gangreen(not sure i spelled it right), which can lead to loss of extremities... But the cramping is just an early warning sign, nothing to worry about.

this freaks me out i posted earlier somewhere that i did MG seeds and thought i had ergot poisoning. well during my trip i did get cramps in my tendons right behind my knees. i didnt know that was a sign of ergotism. that was my second time doing them. so as i said before MG seeds are not for me i dont like them, the trip was ok but the side effects ie. puking, cramps, chills, discoloring of my face and extremities, etc.... were not worth the trip

[LearyS Disciple]

this freaks me out i posted earlier somewhere that i did MG seeds and thought i had ergot poisoning. well during my trip i did get cramps in my tendons right behind my knees. i didnt know that was a sign of ergotism. that was my second time doing them. so as i said before MG seeds are not for me i dont like them, the trip was ok but the side effects ie. puking, cramps, chills, discoloring of my face and extremities, etc.... were not worth the trip

ive done lsa a couple of times and i use a simple extraction and i never get the side effects youre getting. for me its usually a pleasant trip with maybe a little nausea that passes then i start tripping. ive never gotten leg cramps either. maybe it affects people different

[andruejaysin]

Yeah. if peoples legs were falling off we would have probably heard about it by now, and MSG's would be a controled substance.

[jadeius]

LearyS, what kind of extraction did you use?

[LearyS Disciple]

i usually use a simple method of just taking untreated morning glory seeds, grinding them up and letting them sit in alcohol for about a day.strain the seed mush, then i drink the alcohol. if u are just doing about 250 seeds, 2 shots will do. try using something like everclear but i dont use that because i dont have any. i usually use the strongest alcohol i can get a hold of though.
there is more complicated ways of doing this, using things like petroleum ether which is really not available to the general public or using naptha but the alcohol is much easier and it works for me so i stick with that.

[Edgar]

yeah, apparently only some people get the cramping in the relatively lower doses, myself included. Its not a big deal, like a said, ive never heard of a single case of somone actually getting ergotist from them. If its even possible, it must happen in really high doses. Traditional ergotism is caused by ergot, not seeds, and ergot has many chemicals in it that the seeds do not have.

[iamignant]

Edgar, you should do 1000. Get it over with now. Your on your way anyhow.

[Edgar]

...ummm, ok....... Are you telling me to drop dead?

[jadeius]

i usually use a simple method of just taking untreated morning glory seeds, grinding them up and letting them sit in alcohol for about a day.strain the seed mush, then i drink the alcohol. if u are just doing about 250 seeds, 2 shots will do. try using something like everclear but i dont use that because i dont have any. i usually use the strongest alcohol i can get a hold of though.
there is more complicated ways of doing this, using things like petroleum ether which is really not available to the general public or using naptha but the alcohol is much easier and it works for me so i stick with that.


Thanks bunches LearyS...I will try that with some everclear...I had everclear the other day that I used to extract thc from spare parts (immature seeds, stems, etc.) Out of curiosity, what amount of liquor did you put the seeds in, 1/2 pint, pint, liter...that would make a difference, the concentration would be higher in a 1/2 pint as long as it can all dissolve in it. I don't wanna overdo it, I've never had a full blown trip anyways, only shrooms, and I was drunk out of my mind then...

[Frickr]

well i got a bunch of morning glory seeds ground up and ready to go, i was planning on making some tea, but i just read that you can extract the LSA with naptha? well thats the fluid i use in my lighter, and i got a bottle of that shit next to me as we speak, so my question is, does anyone know any good ways to extract MG seeds with naptha?

[jadeius]

naptha doesn't extract the goods, if i'm understanding correctly....naptha will extract out the yucky stuff that tends to make some people sick or have cramps or whatever...once you use the naptha, you let it all evaporate off the seed mush and then put the seed mush in some grain alcohol (everclear, something that is more than 50% alcohol, or 100 proof...) and let it sit, maybe shaking, whatever...the stronger the alcohol, the better...the ethyl alcohol, ethanol, the stuff you can drink, is what extracts the lsa...you can also use isopropryl alcohol for this, but then you have to let it all evaporate off of the end product 'cause you can't drink it...probably would leave a good end product to lace pot with though...don't forget isopropryl alcohol first turns to water (when exposed to ventilation) and then the water will start to evaporate, which takes a lot longer...you may benefit from boiling the concoction for a while after the alcohol smell is COMPLETELY gone...the water will evaporate off, but leave some to evaporate naturally at room temp. because you'll cook the goodies if you boil it too much...

if your naptha container is pressurized, then you'll probably have to make a contraption to use for that part of the extraction...if it's a liquid solution that you can just pour out, then you can just put the ground up seeds in a small amount of it in an open container, stir around, let sit for 24 hours closed, strain off the extra naptha, and let the remaining naptha on the strained seed mush evaporate over time at room temp.... then put that mush in your alcohol...you can drink it if it's ethyl (drinking) alcohol, but evaporate it ALL off if it's isopropryl (rubbing) alcohol...

[ChronicKing420]

The leg cramps are coming from the chemicals on the seeds that you have not washed off good enough personal MG is not the greatest drug...but what ever floats ur boat..as for high doses i would say 500 and dont do any more. Ive had the leg cramps happen to me on my first trip.