Long time no grow

[camoxnhx]

What's up everyone it's been a while since I have been around here or raised the beauiful life cycle of my favoite female. Life Has been one he'll of a ride for me over the past few months but the postive side of things is I find out later today if NH pasted HB 648 medical marijauana law. Well if all is well with it I'm going to be assigned my wife's mom caregiver( even if not she wants me to grow it). Well my point is she has sever arthrist and spinal issues and she's always doped up on oxycodon HLC and valum so spring is here and I want to know what a good strain is to treat this. I want to know a good strain(s) for indoor and outdoor is to help ease her pain. I am in the mist of setting up my indoor space. Outdoor grow will be on our deck and it gets direct sunlight all day but I don't want a monster growing off the deck. LOL that would be awsome. So thanks for you time and keep them green thumbs sticky.

[camoxnhx]

So the strains I'm growing are white rhino and purple haze. Now I'm gonna be growing in a cardboard box with 6 23 watts cfls. A 6 inch online fan taking my air out and I have 2 vent holes at the bottom to bring in fresh air. Now my mesurements of the box for now are 17 5/8 inches long x 26 1/2 inches tall x 13 inches wide. Now I have done a semi box grow before but this is going to be out of the reach of my dog and it's gonna be placed in my boiler room. Now were my concerns are is I know purple haze grows tall but I want to try it in my box. Now I know I'm going to have to mod my box a bit as the life cycle goes on in the plants life cycle. So were I'm stuck at is can I keep the plant short by L.S.T. To make it more bushy then tall? Also if anyone has grown P.h. Indoors what was the hieght that you grew in to. Also a thought about scrog for it inside the box would that work to keep the hieght down while I also double my yeild? I will post picks soon. Thanks for the info from one green thumb to the other.

[camoxnhx]

So if you have any knowledge Or could give advice when you view that would be aprecatied. Thanks. And in the frist I ment "how tall did you grow it"

[bigtopsfinn]

That box sounds too small, even for one plant. I am also limited by space. I did LST my first grow and liked the results. I am in the middle of a Scrog grow now, and so far so good (but the final verdict is still out, probably won't try it again if I don't have to). Scrog is kind of a pain in the ass, but I figured it was the only way to fit 2 plants and my light and filter in my closet (22.5" x 22.5" x 67.5"). Also, 6 x 23w cfl's will give you something, but with proper ventilation you should be trying to get as many cfls in your grow space as you can, maybe something like 8 x 42w cfl's...

Good luck and keep us posted :jointsmile:

[camoxnhx]

Well now since that's cover can I start my plants in the box while I am working on another box. So what would good specs be for flowering my plant? My last box I had it had eyes and it was huge so I really don't have enough room as of yet to have something that big again. Now my other question I have is I also have 2 75w metal halide blubs I have used from past closet grow I did before but my concern is that they get hot. For my ventalation I have a 6inch fan I bought from homedepot a few years back and I have vent holes in the bottom of the box to allow for air flow and should I use them along with the cfls?. Now is this enough ventaltion for the beginnig stages of the box I will use to start the plant in. When I find out the sex I plan on cloning. Thanks for the help! :)

[bigtopsfinn]

Good questions... trial and error is the best way to find out. As for the size of the room, well, as big as you can make it. Build it yourself or buy a used closet with flat white walls like mine. Here's a good link about grow room setup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/132514-noobs-guide-growroom-set-up-work-progress.html

I don't have any experience with small MH's... sorry. It's all about lumens, so the more lumens per square foot, the bigger the plants and the buds will be. I would aim for 5000 Lumens per square foot, or more. Also having the correct color (Kelvin #) for veg and flowering will make a difference. Since you have them already, try them out. But if the temps get high, get more cfl's instead. A couple more good links to answer your questions better:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/121311-el-cheapo-guide-lighting.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/140735-answers-about-cfl-hps-how-much-light.html

[camoxnhx]

Thanks those semi helped but was good knowledge to take in. Now the amount of space I have to work with in my boiler room is 24 1/2" long X 23" wide X 3 1/2 feet tall so I hope that helps with those mesurements on what the final box demensions I have to work with. The box is going inbetween our boiler and the central air unit. So I also found some flat white paint in the basement. Now will the white paint help absorb some of the heat along with making the light reflect evenly? Also your train wreck grow was amazing. How was the smoke from it?

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks those semi helped but was good knowledge to take in. Now the amount of space I have to work with in my boiler room is 24 1/2" long X 23" wide X 3 1/2 feet tall so I hope that helps with those mesurements on what the final box demensions I have to work with.

Sounds much better.


The box is going inbetween our boiler and the central air unit. So I also found some flat white paint in the basement. Now will the white paint help absorb some of the heat along with making the light reflect evenly?

Should help with the temps, but it is the best in regards to reflectivity; better than mylar.


Also your train wreck grow was amazing. How was the smoke from it? Thanks! It was...:abduct:...awesome.

[camoxnhx]

Now I was just brain storming about possible using the smaller box for veg and the bigger one for flowering. Now do u think this would work in my case of limited space? Now another thing I have been wondering at the height of the box I have now with 6 23w cfls would that keep the plant more dense in the begging of the veg state? Each 23w cfl puts out 1600 limes so if my math is right that's 9600 lumes. Now from what I read that should be more then enough for the veg state and flowering. Thanks for the time and knowledge. ;)

[Weedhound]

Yes, go with white paint over mylar (flat is best) The reflectivity is bit less but SO IS THE HEAT and you will be wanting to cool things off.
Got any pics of what you are growing?

That White Rhino wll drop your jaw to the floor, your butt to the couch, and all thinking stops. I was still able to drool however. That stuff is MAX couchlock imo.

[Weedhound]

going with cfls in flower will affect your yield; vs an HID. But if that's what you have to work with, use cool (daylight) cfls for vegging and "warm light" cfls for flowering. That's what I was taught anyway.

[camoxnhx]

Yea I will take pics of the box and my little purple haze popped out of the soil. As of right now I have 4 23w cfl going ATM. Just need to make more sockets. But I will upload pics tonight. Now can I still get a decent yeild if I was to keep the box I have. The only thing I will be able to add another 2 inches to the top due to space.

[camoxnhx]

so here are some pics of my box.

[camoxnhx]

and the rest

[bigtopsfinn]

Looks pretty good from here...:thumbsup:

Just remember that the cfl's need to be very close in order to be effective, 2-3 inches max, closer if possible. I know from experience that having your light(s) in a fixed position can be a big pain in the ass. Once the plant fills up the box, it shouldn't be a problem mounting the lights on the walls. But for now you will get some major stretching if the lights are too far away, which is the last thing you want with your grow space.

Good luck and keep updating :jointsmile:

[camoxnhx]

Now could I leave those fixed and just add some on the sides of the box to help with the streching? Now I'm also going to LST the plant to make it bushy and I my top it. Now what's one way to muffle the sound of the fan cause the home made duct magnifies the sound a bit.

[RamblerGambler]

Nice ghettorigged box! I wish I had done the same, rather than build a plywood cab before I even had one grow under my belt. But anyways. If you're unable to lower the lights, try stacking something underneath the cup to bring it closer. As it grows, you adjust the stack as needed. And side lighting always helps - god knows I need to add some to my cab. Good luck!

[bigtopsfinn]

^^Rambler's got some good advice. Unless the cfl's are close to the plants, they do nothing (or next to nothing) except waste electricity.

[camoxnhx]

Thanks man much aprecated! Yea so I'm on my way to stack some thing under my little one. Now for nuts I have sholtz orchid bloom for my flowering stage. Now what can I use for nuts from like lowes/homedepot/walmart? Your buds looked so so dank and I'm hopeing that I get some dank buds like you did. Btw were did u get your nuts from?

[bigtopsfinn]

I ordered mine from Holland... I'd get the Fox Farm package if I were in the U.S., though. Rusty has nothing but good things to say about FF products, you could look through some of his posts about nutrients.

[RamblerGambler]

I'd like to experiment with FF, I've heard nothing but good things. As for myself, I don't have much experience but the Technaflora Recipe for Success (http://organic-hydroponicsupplies.thebigtomato.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=tbt&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=854213893&Count2=771354317&ProductID=1803&Target=products.asp&utm_medium=cse&utm_source=googlebase) treated me alright. Its a decent multipart nutrient package for a decent price. The guy from the hydro store talked me into them actually.

[camoxnhx]

So I just placed my order for AROURA INDICA seeds form mj.nl so if any one has grown this strain knowledge would be apprecatied. From what I read on it... It's some real knock out stuff and the plant stays short. Also from my thermometter my boiler room is at 65.1 dergrees now is that suitable for what I'm growing plus it's still spring time too. But info is much apprecaited.

[RamblerGambler]

Ideal would be in the 70's. Mine tends to run hot - somewhere around the low 80's

[camoxnhx]

So I went in this morning and realized my out take fan had died on me but I had a 12volt fan blowing on the inside. So I went out and bought 2 12 volt cooling fans and 2 extra sockets and more clfs. So ATM I'm fixing my box. Now thankfully my plants did burn and the house. Now my boiler room stayed 64.1 all night so that was the lowest temp. So know I have a few questions. Will the warm air from my box even out the room temp to atleast 70s? Also does anyone know how tall aroura indica gets? I know it said it stayed very short but is it like as low as the auto lowryders?

[camoxnhx]

Ps there the bigger cooling fans btw

[RamblerGambler]

What are the box temps at night?

[camoxnhx]

What are the box temps at night?

At night it gets about 54.7 dergrees at night and during the day it's 66.5.

[RamblerGambler]

Your going to want to get those temps up. I'm not sure how much heat you'll pick up with the new bulbs, but you may want to look into a space heater. You can find them fairly cheaply at the dreaded Wally-World

[camoxnhx]

Good idea just don't want to over due with electricity bill. How many watts does a space heater have cause now I have to figure out how much more the bill is going to be running 6 23watt cfl 20/4, 3 12 volt cooling fans 24/0. When I have extra cash I'll get one. Guess I'll put it in a closet :)

[camoxnhx]

so heres some updated pics with my new vent i put on it to help reduce nosie and sound. i have both 12 volt fans screwed down together to create more air flow from my intake to keep it cooler in there since i added those 2 23watt cfls. i also moved my box inside so it holds a temp of 77.1 now. i also took some pics of the inside of what it looks like along with my 12 volt fan on the inside. check out the Purple haze btw its doing good. i also got some african volite orgainc soil to transplant in a few weeks.

[camoxnhx]

and the rest

[camoxnhx]

Now since my box has been in the closet it gets temps of 81.5 dergrees and is that too hot for my plants since there inside my box. My ideal temps are 70s but what temp is to hot for the plants?

[bigtopsfinn]

Keep them below 85 F and they will be fine :thumbsup:

[camoxnhx]

K I will keep a eye on the temps. Now to help lower them can I add another 12mm fan on the outside blowing it to help create more air flow or can to much air flow be a problem?

[bigtopsfinn]

Never heard of too much ventilation, unless the plants are being blown over. I would think about getting one of those kitchen/bathroom fans instead of adding a lot of small fans.

[camoxnhx]

What size of a fan would be good?

[camoxnhx]

so heres my update! it is 1 week 6 days on a light cycle of 18/6. i have not applyed nutrients yet. Now i have noticed some white-ish bumbs forming on some of the leaves but not sure if its good or bad. Its looking health and shes growing like crazy. I plan on putting it in 12/12 at the 4th or 5th interniod that develops to get my sex. I have also upgraded on my out-take fan and used one 12mm fan for my intake so its running at a constant 74.9. but here are my pics and when should i introduce my little one to nutrients?

[camoxnhx]

and the rest of them

[bigtopsfinn]

They look good! If you are using a neutral soil (no added ferts... unlike Miracle Grow which has ferts already), then you can start with the ferts at 4-5 nodes at half strength. If you have MG (or similar), you should wait 2-3 weeks after each transplant before adding ferts.

Keep us updated :thumbsup:

[RamblerGambler]

Question. Is picture 5 (the computer fan) your intake?

[camoxnhx]

Yes It is. I also have another one.

[camoxnhx]

So I had a little issue with mj-seeds.nl and it has now just Been confrimed. So from the issue they are sending me 10 free Super Sliver Haze along with my 10 aroura indica and 5 free Mazar x Afgain seeds. So now my thoughts rest with size for my S.S.H. When growing limited space. Any advice?

[camoxnhx]

P.S that purple haze seed I had ended up being mutated since I did find it in a bag a friend gave me so it died. The rhino (also given to me by a fellow grower) seemed to be doing good. I checked on it this morning and I see new growth forming between the frist and second set of internoids. And the amount of growth is amazing so far. Little shot is growing fast. Now also another question I have other then the one above when would be the best time to start the 12/12 for the sex and also what week should I start flowering with the amount of space I have? I also plan on L.S.T so hopefully that helps.

[RamblerGambler]

Just a question... If your using 2 fans for the intake, why not go with passive intake and use the computer fans as exhausts.

[camoxnhx]

Just a question... If your using 2 fans for the intake, why not go with passive intake and use the computer fans as exhausts.

I'm using one ATM but what do u mean passive intake?

[RamblerGambler]

Basically, you create a vacuum. The intake is a simple hole in the box so when the exhaust fan is running, it will suck new air from outside the box while venting the hot air up top. Sorry if this is confusing, I'm a little too medicated for coherent explanations. You can see it in action here (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/99373-diy-how-rubbermaid-tub-growbox.html)

[camoxnhx]

well rambler i took some pics of the fans that are installed on my box. these are my spares and they are almost the same size so if i was going to do a passive intake should i use all 4 of my fans for exaust? now the way my fans are set up atm you think that makes a good enough breeze in there or should i contribute one of my fans to blow around in the inside or will that kill any air movement that my plant has atm?

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Camox, if I may interject here. I've only heard of intake fans being necessary if you have a large room with a lot of lights and heat. In your setup it might be more efficient to just have a passive intake (no fan, just a hole, or you can make more than one, depending on how much exhaust you have) and have multiple active exhausts (active meaning it has a fan). Also you should have a slight direct breeze on your plants to help strengthen their stems and move the air around... Best for this is an oscillating fan, but I'm guessing that table fan you have is doing that already. Hope that clears things up a little :jointsmile:

[camoxnhx]

So I have a issue with my plant. She has black spots forming on the center of on of the leaves. Help asap is much appreciated!

[bigtopsfinn]

If you see dark or patchy spots on your leaves, that could mean you have mold. Check fordark patchy areas on the leaves and if you do have mold, lower the humidity and get a better ventilation setup going to prevent further occurrences.
And most important.. KEEP YOUR GARDEN CLEAN!!!Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com (http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8778)

...but I'd fill out the troubleshooting form + pics and post it in the plant problems section to be sure.

[camoxnhx]

so i made sure to get some pics asap on here of my problem and now it looks like its getting worse :(

[camoxnhx]

now i read that link you provided but now i am a bit lost in what it could be. what should i do to fix this!

[bigtopsfinn]

I'd start up a new thread in the plant problems section... it's a little shameful, but better than doing nothing, because the problem will just get worse :(

Hard to tell the color with that light, doesn't look black... it might help to get pics under natural light :thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html

[camoxnhx]

There brown spots like burns in the center of the frost set of leaves.

[camoxnhx]

So Heres my update. Since my soil had a ph of 7.9 so I dropped it down to 6.4 so I think that was my issue. Hopefully that's the problem