oh my god here we go again

[yokinazu]

does any one here no the history of how pot became illegal in the USA? this is how it was explained to me:

first the gov't started taxing the farmers and the buyers to the point that it became unprofitable to grow harvest and sell there by making a plant only to be used by the "mexican and negros". that was when it became a racial issue and instepped henry j. bringing the whole thing to a head by making people beleive that they were going to be attacked and their daughters raoed by pot heads. then its made illegal.

in a nutshell

what im getting at is this it all started with taxation. last week a 65 cent per pack tax was placed on cigerattes. the end of the month LA congress is trying to put a 1 dollars sales tax on cigerettes that will make a pack of smokes here almost $6. now i know alot of people here may be nonsmokers and i respect that. but lets see this will be one more plant that is on its way to being outlwed by the feds. my mom dont smoke pot but she dont want it illegal either, get it.? if i want to have a cigerette by god i should be able to. but it all starts with a tax.

now let me ask this: right now taxes on cigerrtettes are almost $4 a pack say 1 million people smoke a pack a day. thats $4,000,000 a DAY in taxes. multiply that by 7 now multiply that by 52. what a little over $1.4 billion annualy and that only averaged at 1 million pack a day smokers. theres probly somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 million in the country.
now ask yourself this 300 million total, a huge tax burden taken on by only 70 million. when all of us decide that it to much to pay where will the gov't recoup its lost revanue?

get my point?

[5thHorseMan]

by that logic, gasoline is on it's way to being illegal, since most places tax gasoline by the gallon.

A tax is a tax. Criminalization is criminalization, one is not a direct indicator of the other.

[yokinazu]

the thing about gas is that there is no racial stigma or some group of do-gooders tellin me they are out lawing gas because it is a danger to my health and those around me. but since it is also an "evil" weed that must be eradicated from the country so that our children will not be raped.

the fact is that like i said not everyone in this country smokes or relies on tobacco to get back and forth to work, sdchool, vacation, etc. or to make the products such as PVC and plastics from.

we havnt outlawed gas from public places but there are very few places that will let you have a smoke.

like i said yes i do smoke but i also respect any non-smokers rights. im not going to smoke in your house or car or in a resturant. i do beleive there are certain places that you shouldnt be aloud to smoke. but the propaganda has turned public oppinion against tobacco and the tobacco industry to the point that noone has the balls to complain when the shit finaly starts to roll. like i said earlier the taxes were levied to the point that the farmer quit growwing now there is no farmers no ones livly hood is going to be ruined by the outlawing of a plant, when noones livly hood is ruined then nobody bitches a bout it and we all think its for the good of the country.

no matter how big a tax is if the industry is profitable, and as we all seen the past couple years the oil industry is making lots and lots of money. so of course they will not be outlawing gas anytime soon. so to destroy an industry you have to make it first unprofitable and the way the gov't will and has done so in the past is by taxing said industry.

but to me this whole tobacco thing stinks of henry anslinger and the do gooders that gave us prohibition.

just my opinion

[MdmPele]

turn the tobacco growing into a medical pot grower...

[killerweed420]

Racism was big reason why they outlawed cannabis. Them damn uppity s were smoking it in there jazz clubs getting them white whores high and boning the shit out of them.lol Thats the real reason it was banned. Just like the more svere penalties they have put on one of the unmentionables, because blacks were using it because it was a lot cheaper than the powder the honkies were using.lol So much racism and intolerance in our society. We really do have a terrible history but nobody seems to want to discuss it.

[yokinazu]

turn the tobacco growing into a medical pot grower...

the best soil to grow herb inis ironically also the best soil to grow tobacco in. my family comes from the mountains of kentucky. they were largly tobacco farmers, and still are ( so you can also see why the prohibition of tobacco hits quite close to home for me) the average tobacco farmer is the poor dirt farmer. not some huge coorporation.
my family also grew hemp till it became non profitable to grow. then it was outlawed they didnt quit because "wild packs of negros and mexicans were using it" but because the taxes were so high they couldnt profit.
the racism card wasnt played until whitey couldnt make no more money off it

[luciddreamer]

I agree. In Aus they are raising the tax by 50 cents twice a year.
I'm growing my tobacco next year anyway hopefully and cutting down a bit.

Also racism isn't why they made ganja illegal. That was the excuse.
It's because they had a vested interest in synthetic fibers. Anslinger was supported by DuPont and pharma so clearly they wanted hemp and ganja gone.
So first in 1937 the tax was passed then.... you know the rest. I'm not gonna rant again, gotta sleep.

[jonquest]

this taxation on cigarettes actually hurts the economy. the money is taken and wasted by the government instead of being used in the private sector to create jobs. washington doesn't understand economics.

[RowRow]

Racism was big reason why they outlawed cannabis. Them damn uppity s were smoking it in there jazz clubs getting them white whores high and boning the shit out of them.lol.

hahaha. that is true.. But I mean really how many deaths has Marjuana caused? 0 and how many deaths a day does alcohol cause? shit I dont even know the number its so up there.. I mean dont get me wrong, LSD and Acid and Heroin cocaine and crack are illegal because they actaully cause deaths.. And with the cigarette issues.. I cant even buy a good pack of ciggarettes with 5 dollars anymore.. I mean I remember when Marbrols used to be like 3.78? or something like that.. Now I have to smoke nasty ass cigarettes because the Government wants more tax money? I mean its complete and utter bullshit.. Fuck,I bet you half of the poloticians are stoned when they make these dumb fucking taxes.. I say Legalize marijuana in the next 4 to 10 years.. Or I have no faith left in America..:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

1563 Queen Elizabeth I decrees that land owners with 60 acres or more must grow Cannabis else face a £5 fine.(It's a pity Queen Elizabeth the second doesn't do the same)

1606 British take Cannabis to Canada to be cultivated mainly for maritime uses.
1611 British start cultivating Cannabis in Virginia.
1619 Virginia colony makes Cannabis Cultivation Mandatory, followed by most other colonies. Europe pays Hemp bounties.
1631 Cannabis used for bartering throughout American Colonies.
1632 Pilgrims bring Cannabis to New England.
1753 Cannabis Sativa classified by Linneaus.
1776 Declaration of Independence drafted on Cannabis paper.:thumbsup:

[yokinazu]

mean I remember when Marbrols used to be like 3.78? or something like that..

3.78 ive smoked camels since i started wich then they were $.85 a pack.

good lord im gettin old

[GoldenBoy812]

The thought is, legalized cannabis will shift farming to meet the legal cannabis demand of the market (which could be the biggest cash crop in the US). In doing so, corn, tobacco, etc... growers will have a greater % shift to growing hemp and cannabis (a good thing IMHO).

But, there is an externality accompanied. Less farmers to produce corn and tobacco will (in the short run) translate into lower supply of said crops, therefore accompanying a price increase until the market can reach some sort of equilibrium (long run).

What we have to ask ourselves is what effect will this have on tax revenues and subsidies associated with increased prices on consumer staple commodities.

If you spend $100 bucks a week on high grade dro, it will most likely be good for you. But if you are not a cannabis person, then the increased costs will undoubtedly transfer (although not at the same rate).

Which is the main reason cannabis has yet to be legalized nationally. Producders and consumers are not willing to allow the disequalibria persit on the short run.

[Rusty Trichome]

when all of us decide that it to much to pay where will the gov't recoup its lost revanue?
Additional internet usage taxes, fast food taxes, grocery taxes, sugar taxes, energy taxes, toy taxes, employment taxes, death taxes, breath taxes, odometer taxes, (figured to the nearest tenth of a mile) bicycle and skateboard taxes, bus and train rider taxes, radio and television viewing taxes, and, of course...carbon footprint taxes. Which reminds me...I need to chop more
firewood this week. There's nothing like the smell of angry enviornmentalists in the moning...smells like...freedom. :jointsmile: (did I mention fireplace and home heating taxes...?)

[moshmonkey]

if its any help an average pack of 20 cigs will cost you â?¬8.10 ($10.99) and they are planning on bringing them up to â?¬10 ($13.55) in 2 weeks time in Ireland............thankfully i dont smoke tobacco