600w didital

[darealbrain]

im growing ww one plant its now in its 3 week flowing.i was wondering do i have enough lumens for my 4x4 closet i dont have mylar or white walls.the setup is soil ihave a digital600w growbright setup,dual 4'shop light with 4100k bulbs,4 23w cfls 6500k.my plant looks good to me but i really dont know cause its my first full indoor grow.my buds look really tight with white crystals all over even on some of the big fan leaves.how do you determine how mant lumens the shop light is putting out.i have been on this site for almost a year reading everyday just i have not read anything about how many lumens a shoplight puts out.thanks to everyone on this site i have really come to learn alot about this plant and how to grow on this grow i have only lost 3 leaves the entire grow.i think this is great considering my last grow which was 50/50 indoor outdoor i lost half of my plant when i turn the light to 12/12 i was only using the cfls then.and again thank you to everyone one this site.ps i really like it when people argue it lets us newbies see both sides of everything so its left up to the grower to decide whats best for them.so please stop getting on to people too hard about what they are doing to there babies it only results in us as a hole learningh about this wonderful plant

[Dutch Pimp]

that sounds like plenty of light for one plant...:rolleyes:...600 watt HID digital light?...plus shop lights and CFL's?...you may have to put sunglasses on it..:cool:.....:D

White Widow rules...:thumbsup:...I grew 6 WW's under a 400 watt HID light...:stoned:

[denialisback]

that sounds like plenty of light for one plant...:rolleyes:...600 watt HID digital light?...plus shop lights and CFL's?...you may have to put sunglasses on it..:cool:.....:D

White Widow rules...:thumbsup:...I grew 6 WW's under a 400 watt HID light...:stoned:

heh yeah i agree man, and hey re the 400W WW's thats what im doing now man :)


Peace,
Denial

[MaryJaneMonkey]

4 foot tubes are good for about 3,000 lumens a few INCHES from the bulb.
I'd suggest taking the shop lights, and the cfls to a different room, or make a box for them, and use that as a veg area.

Let the white widow flower under the 600hps. Unless youre growing a 4'x4' monster, the 600 will be more than enough light.

Take a few clones from the 3 week flowering plant, and put them under 24hr light in your veg area...so about a month or 2 from now you harvest, and put those clones into the flower room

...thats just a suggestion, something I would do if I were you.

more bud=more better

good luck.

[darealbrain]

i dont know if its a monster but i dont think i could get two of them in the same amont of space.i try to spin the plant around so the it kinda get even light all around the plant.i have not tried to clone as i just wont to get a good crop and see what the yield whould be.what do you think i can get off this plant as it hasbud all the way down to the leavel of soil.the plant is 38 inches tall.i dont have a good cam as this pi was take with my phone.had to stand 5' back just to get all the plant in the pic.let me know what you think

[darealbrain]

so about how many lumens do you think i have.600w=95000+shop lights+cfls i have 16 sq ft so about how many lumens per sq ft do i have?i love the avatar pimp.

[denialisback]

so about how many lumens do you think i have.600w=95000+shop lights+cfls i have 16 sq ft so about how many lumens per sq ft do i have?i love the avatar pimp.

about 6875 if you have approx 110,000 lumens total

just divide the lumens by the number of sq ft then you have lumens per sq ft.

Peace,
denial

[darealbrain]

so haow do you think she looks for 3 weeks flower there is buds everywhere from the bottom up

[denialisback]

so haow do you think she looks for 3 weeks flower there is buds everywhere from the bottom up

looking very good so far dude.. lots of bud sites :) it isn't indica is it.. looks mostly sativa.. did you mention what strain it is?

I'm using a 400 watt cooltube, they might work for you, it's my first time and my experience is great!! If you want to check my tube out its on my log...


Peace,
denial

[darealbrain]

would it be better if you hung the cooltube vertically and the put a fan on it to keep it cool.then you can have the light in the middle and plant all the way around it.i dont know just something i always wanted to do.hot air does rise.

[denialisback]

would it be better if you hung the cooltube vertically and the put a fan on it to keep it cool.then you can have the light in the middle and plant all the way around it.i dont know just something i always wanted to do.hot air does rise.

yeah there are specialised vertica cooltubes, they are made a bit differently, check them out :)

my one isnt't for vertical mounting but im sure they are practically the same. My ones only rated upto 600watt heheh


Peace,
Denial

[KillerBudG]

would it be better if you hung the cooltube vertically and the put a fan on it to keep it cool.then you can have the light in the middle and plant all the way around it.i dont know just something i always wanted to do.hot air does rise.

I think your plant is doing great keep updating. I also been thinking that would be a decent way hanging vertical. But i was thinking something like a 600w above and a 400w 0r 600w light, some where on like the side of a grow area. So it has just as much light at the bottom an middle of the plant as the top has.? Just have not really sketched out the idea yet. :rastasmoke:

[darealbrain]

is it true that a plant can only produce a certain amount of bud.like is it a shut off point as to how much a plant can produce.the reason i ask is that all my budsites are the same size from top to bottom.and if a plant is only going to produce a certain amount then that means at some point my plant is going to stop producing buds leaving me with a smaller main cola.another thing i have been reading alot about light movers well i turn my plant 4x a day as i have the shoplight mounted vertically.i was wondering has anyone tried using the christmas tree stands that spins therefore giving the plant equal amont of light all the way round(well not equal but some light).i have read alot and learned everything i know from this site yet i have just started to post being that im a newbie.but i do think i have some ideas and things i need to share and give back cause all of you have helped me and taught me to think outside the box.thank you, thank you, thank you.

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey dude! Everything looks great :thumbsup:

I wouldn't be too worried about the yield, WW is usually pretty good about that. Plus, at only 3 weeks, you have a TON of bud growth ahead of you. There are some methods to increasing yield, but it's too late for this grow. Look into LST, SCROG (I have done/doing both, links in my sig), topping, fimming, super-cropping for your next grow. Personally I like both LST and Scrog because they are fairly low-stress, and the plants recover very quickly.

Oh yeah, I think rotating the plant 4 times a day is a little excessive... but good for you for caring for your plants! Once every couple days would suffice, though. She is getting plenty of light... If you did want to improve on something, you could try to get those walls flat white...

Keep up the good work and keep us updated. Good luck! :jointsmile:

[darealbrain]

yeah i been wanting to paint them but i was scared that the paint may be toxic to my plant.i wonder if white poster board will work the same.yeah i was going to lst the plant but i just wanted to make sure i wasnt doing something wrong in my growing.i wanted to keep it simple on this one and get a base yield so i can keep my growing style the same then lst on the next grow see how it does.then fim and lst on the next.on my last grow which was 50/50 indoor out i lst alot i tried the going around the pot trick and it did very well in veg but when i turned the lights to 12/12 the bottom half of my plant died in two days.so i wanted to go back to the basics to see what i did wrong.i still yielded a qp of the best weed in town.i believe it was nute burn and thats what has gottin me so hands on with my plant.it really is true that the more time you spend with your plant the happier both of us will be.i have only lost 3 leaves so far this entire grow.

[bigtopsfinn]

Yeah painting can be a pain in the ass. How about some Panda film (i think thats what its called). It's black on one side and white on the other.

[darealbrain]

yeah i was thinking about it and i will order me some mylar i midas well do it right.but ill have to wait until i harvest this one then i can move around in there.on my next grow i will try and go all out i want to try cloning.i have a rubbermaid tub so i want to put the clones in with the air stones do you think that will work with some bloom nutes?its always good to have someone to over look things and see what one is missing

[bigtopsfinn]

Wait till harvest? Why not just take the plant out for an hour or two? Won't be a big deal... you will get more out of the mylar for 5 weeks than losing a couple hours of light, IMO.

Sorry, nothing to add about the cloning/hydro stuff. Kinda confused about putting clones in with bloom nutes (???).

[darealbrain]

it will take me about a week to get the mylar,but i just thought about it and i have some white paint but i dont know if paint is toxic to plants.how long should i wait before putting her back in, the hps should dry it up quickly.what do you think is the simpliest way to clone.i know some on this site say they just site it in a cup of water.how do you do it or have you tried yet.thanks you have helped me alot.

[darealbrain]

so i painted the walls and put her back in hope there is no problems.if i have @6875 lumens psf which is close to optimum do anyone think i can get .5 grams per watt off of one plant.

[darealbrain]

well tomorrow makes 4 weeks and the plant looks great.the only thing is it seems to have slowed down a little.is this normal?i hope the fumes from the paint hasnt hurt or stressed out my baby.someone help easy my mind.

[GoldenGraham84]

low dose bloom nutes are sometimes used to stimulate root growth.

and brain, things may not have slowed down. in flower, there's a stretch phase and a fatten phase. here's a link:
CannaStats - The 40/60 Phenomena (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060.htm)
and another, explaining the equation a little more clearly:
CannaStats - 40/60 Formulas (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/4060formulas.htm)

my thanks to icbh707 for the info.

[darealbrain]

thanks, see you learn something new everyday.that was a great link i wonder why noone has mentioned this on this site.is this the time that the bottom or older fan leaves start to lose all their nitrogen.mine are starting to yellow.if it is too early for them to start to lose it can i give a little veg nutes to them and not mess up my wonderful buds.today starts my 4 week flowering

[GoldenGraham84]

it is an AWESOME link. and its been mentioned here before. as i recall, icbh707 gave oSecretGardeno the link on his first log, then i passed it along through there to headshake and others. shake is doing a great job referring people to that link, even getting fancy with HTML for it. thanks shake! and thanks again icbh707, even though i haven't seen ya in a while.

[darealbrain]

do anyone think i should give a small dose of nitrogen to the plant or should i just let the fan leaves slowly die off.i read that someone lets the plant naturally shed their fan leaves that way at harvest time there isnt many left to trim off also resulting in a quicker curing time do to less nitrogen left in the plant.and is this another way to self prune the plant for a higher yeild due to more light penatration on the bottom buds?

[darealbrain]

what are the pros and cons to adding nitrogen during flowering im almost 5 weeks in

[hanayama]

I use FF products on my plants. going off of their feeding schedule, i add nitrogen(in small amounts) to her mix during the 4th and 5th week.
so ya, you should be fine.

[darealbrain]

thanks its seems as though the whole plant is starting to lose its dark green color.the stems,branches and older fan leaves.so i think it must be the lack of nitrogen?i have also been feeding one tbs molasses every watering is this okay?

[darealbrain]

i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who tuned iin and to the ones who helped me out.my plant yielded 5 oz of some very very good and tight buds.now i want to start another grow i was wondering how many plants can i get in a 16 sf space using the same lighting?

[Dutch Pimp]

i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who tuned iin and to the ones who helped me out.my plant yielded 5 oz of some very very good and tight buds.now i want to start another grow i was wondering how many plants can i get in a 16 sf space using the same lighting?



5 oz is a good, 1 ww harvest...congrats...:thumbsup:

Take the biggest pots you ever plan to use and put them in your 16sf space.
When that space is full...count the pots....and height is a factor, too.

Good Luck, again...:pimp:

[darealbrain]

i plan on putting them in 5 gallon buckets they take up 1 foot.i could get 16 in but i was thinking about putting 10 in so each can have some room to spread out during flowering.i was just wondering will i be reducing my yeild per plant because of lumens.im not worried about height seeing that i have an eight foot clearance.if they get that tall i would be on happy farmer.i also want to say thanks to the person who told me me i needed to clone.ididnt now i know how important it is as now i have to start all over and waste alot of time feeding plants that will turn out to be males.for the new ones out there starting to grow it is very important to learn how to do everything.from lst,clone,supercropping,and the most important how to read your plants knowing when something just aint right.that way you can correct the problem and not strees your plants.so this time when my plants are in the 3 week of flowering i will take some clones.you know what thats what im going to do with males.practice how to take clones.what are the best way to do this.can i take cuttings and put them in a bucket of water with airstones unil they grow roots.it will be something like dwc but straight in the solution.