3 problems with my grow.

[retuks]

alright well, first im new to the site. looking forward to being a member.


just a little info about my plants -
i started by planting 14 seeds. all of them sprouted. through the odds i now have 11 plants because the first one that died i dropped pot's dirt clump (plant included) upside-down onto its would-be new medium and crushed it. when i was at 13 plants i snapped enough roots on another child to cause the 2nd fatality (though i tried to revive it.) the 12 plants where thriving till about a week ago when another died from torn roots that happened WAY back when i first repotted all of them... it was inevitable yet i couldnt tell because it didnt actualy start to wanna DIE, but i thought so since it was staying the same size... whata waste of time -_-... and i am now currently with 11 plants... and i fear i might be down to 9 soon...
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now for the THREE situations that have me very worried:


BS #1) I am at about 7 weeks since my plants sprouted... and this is what they look like: (See Image 1)

this seems to be really slow... and i have friends claiming to know their plants sex already and be twice the size (or be much more mature in the veg stage)... right now the kids are under 2x 23watt coil-shaped CFLs with clamplight dishes reflecting the light (id think it would amplify it?). I have them electronically timed to be lit from 6:30am - 8:30pm (had them at 6am to 10pm then went down the scale from there). i wont start the 12/12 until these peckers are at least 1.5feet...

Question: They were all planted at the same time. why are they all different sizes and worst off, so damn small still???

BS #2) i JUST repotted my biggest child and snapped one of the roots. but it still had a seemingly sufficient amount of roots left on it. yet it looks like THIS?? (See Image 2)

This happened about 4 hours ago and my plants looking critical... this really pisses me off since, well, it was one of the 2 biggest i had.

and this is the second plant i repotted without snapping any roots:(See Image 3)

and WTF MATE??? imean i know that they go through quite a bit of shock but it its this one especially that has ME shocked that it looks like its been killed.

Question: how can i revive my plants?? the big one is my main priority, though it seems to be drooping so much its leaves are too massive for it to handle and are bending it over which cant be healthy... the second plant should have a higher survival rate so im REALLY wondering whats up with that...

when i repotted both of these plants i took them out of their original place and sepparated the dirt from the roots and then poked a hole with my finger into their new mediums and placed their straight line of roots into them. they should be doing fine...

any help to prevent 2 severe casualties??? i cant risk loosing these 2 particular plants... i only have 4 of these specific strains and they took years to develop (my bro's work before he left to Manchester).

appreciate any experienced help i may receive!!
my thanks. sorry for the extensive message...

[purplehaze11]

Your plants are most likely that small because they are under inadequate light. Bump it up to at least 8 cfls, 11 plants are gonna want a lot of light. Whats hte square footage of you area? A 23 watt cfl puts out about 1400 lumens, and at least 5000 lumens per square foot is optimal.

Also if you start each plant in its own pot, when you re pot you wont run the risk of breaking any roots. Transplant each plant into its own pot asap and try not to break up any roots.

[Dutch Pimp]

Well...at least their not overwatered...:wtf:

[retuks]

ive had them in seperate pots before, but while what your saying is true (i have 2 cfls, and not 8) i decided to put them into that clothing bin because of space. the pots consumed so much space back-to-back that my plants grew at an annoying tilt towards the light because of the bulky pots. also i have 4 pots to work with... lol.

and idk how to measure square feet, but that bin is about 2.5 feet wide and 1.5 feet long. i had the crazy idea that if i eliminate the pots i could squeeze them more closer, still allowing enough space for roots and having them all grow straight.

wouldnt 8 lights at 18hours a day rack up my electric bill??? and i only have 2 socket spaces for lights. would 4 lights be ok? but then... my electronic timer only allows 2 sockets >_<

[Dutch Pimp]

good weed, cost money $$$...how high do you want to get?

[retuks]

to be honest with you, im growing these as an order for my friend who will buy them from me for the value of whatever is produced from them. i dont want my expence to outweigh the return. and since hes my friend im giving him a friend's price on the yield, so no 500 quid lighting systems or complicated hydroponics for me...

how can i be cost-effective about this? and i dont get lighting... its a constant sorce... wouldnt holding 1 CFL really close to a plant equal the same as 10CFLs that are 6 feet away? that was my original theory..

[retuks]

i failed to mention that i live in Hawaii. ;)

though winter is still a damper on growth rate... i have my other 2 plants outside for experimental purposes... though last year my outdoor experience took forever just the same. because of the less sunlight during these months.. + bugs/ theives/ police...

[retuks]

I dont know why i never took this into account... i believe this is a problem that is unique to me only.

LOL... ive taken all necessary precautions to keep my plants in a covert environment... closing my window blinds, locking my room door (only i have the key), never leaving anything opened while unattended, etc...

I even put my CFLs inside of light clamp dishes to cloak the bulbs from bouncing the light too far along my ceiling when its night time... and its for this specific reason that i wonder why i never asked myself this next question;

if you take a nice look at the pic i provided via phone, that will explain all... that hole in the wall above my dinning room table is a direct hole in my room. you cant see any light from here (which is good) because i cloaked the grow lights from being discovered from down stairs. :thumbsup:

but... i cant believe i never thought of this until now...
How the hell am i gonna hide the smell once they flower/mature???!!

im kicking myself for not thinking about the smell... could the scent travel far enough to be discovered from that hole? its about 15+ feet up... and even further into my room the plants are in a closed but HIGHLY vented closet... also the fact that im growing 9 in there... what you guys think? will i be fine with this hole? or will the smell be able to reach beyond it into the downstairs level? (if mom finds it, i will be evicted... prices on homes are 2nd highest here!)

[Rusty Trichome]

(if mom finds it, i will be evicted...!)
So, let's see if I understand...you live in your mom's home, but you don't have her permission to grow there? So, in effect you are saying it's ok with you...that she could go down for a felony as a result of your selfishness? :wtf:
Have you already figured-out what you would tell her if you accidentally caught her home on fire because you overloaded a circuit, spilled a jug of water on a ballast, or timer catches fire? Have you already thought of what you'd tell yourself if she was inside when it happened? Have you thought of anyone other than yourself?

If you can't grow responsibly, don't fucking grow. :mad:

[the image reaper]

RT is correct ... in addition, if caught by the Law, your Mom's home could be taken from her, immediately, even before a trial ... very irresponsible of you ... :smokin:

[Weedhound]

So you're growing on the sly, making up weird ways to grow (putting all the plants in the same container) barely any light and somebody (who must never have seen you grow)who is all set to buy this stuff?

Oh....and can't get caught because you're growing in someone else's home and putting them and theirs in danger as well.

That's enough clusterfuck for me already. No help here.....but you're lucky I don't know your mom or I'd have told her you were hiding shit in her house.

[LolaGal]

Weedhound I'm suspicious too. What Hawaii native goes around saying quid and Mate? LOL. I thought is was dollar and bruddah in Hawaii.

[Weedhound]

LOL! I missed that completely although in another post he mentions Manchester which I KNOW ain't in Hawaii.

I'd rep you again Lola but I have to spread some around....rep in spirit!! :thumbsup:

[retuks]

nothing would be taken from her, i still take full responsibility for 2 reasons, 1 my room specifically is a licensed rental room. and 2, i am over 21 and considered an adult. my only trouble is her finding it. seriously..

also, nothing in a million years that i use should overload and catch fire with any more risk than anything we own because im using all the same household items that my mom uses. for instance, she has 4 other electronic timers of the same brand attached to a 7 socket plug adapter with all plugs being used to power all the indoor xmas lights and the xmas tree. the other 3 timers power a mini fridge in the garage, 3 room lamps in the living room, and the entire entertainment system we have (she sleeps with the tv on).

all im powering with my timer is 2 CFLs attached to incadecent clamp light fixtures from city mill. all within 120v range. now can we please discuss my odor problem please?

[retuks]

i live in hawaii... i have been for over 15 years now. I was an english citizen before i moved here, "brah"... and my brother returned to england why are we speculating on this?

to clear things up even further, i am 23 years old and live in one of 3 fully licenced rental rooms on which i pay RENT to live in, and she pays taxes on because it generates legal revenue and that means anything happening within my walls are purely my business (though that hole in my wall makes intimacy a bit difficult). so yes, the lot of it is my moms property but i still assume all responcibility for answering to authorities should that ever happen.

now... as i stated in my other thread, can we please move along? also my friend has seen my grow and hes just as clueless as me about growing indoors (80% of hawaii growers are outdoorsmen). and i used 2 hot 120watt incadecent "grow lights" from philips prior to discovering how much better CFLs were on my own... as all my plants seem healthy.

and about my biggest plant, the stem has recovered to an upright position, however the leaves are just as droopy as last night... any hope? or is my plant teasing me with postmortum reflexes...

[Dutch Pimp]

Check the CFL grow logs or wait until a CFL grower drops by, for advice.

[retuks]

My biggest plant... im in quite a predicament. the leaves are getting thinner.

would cutting some of the leaves in half or completely off increase the chance of survival??? imean like, send focus energy to the roots and tottal well being of the plant?

[LolaGal]

Aloha Brah! :) If you cut off the leaves where is the energy supposed to come from? You need to get a grow book from your local bookstore. Buy a 400 watt Meetal Halide light.

[Rusty Trichome]

i am over 21 and considered an adult. my only trouble is her finding it. seriously..
So being over 21 gives you the right to sneak behind her back, (knowing she would disapprove of this activity in HER house) put your mother's home in jeopardy, with either a potential accident, or seizure by the authorities? How responsible of you. May your children give you the same respect. I know I certainly will, lol. :thumbsup:

[retuks]

as of right now... my children are my plants... with plenty of simularities to humans...

they cost money, their dirty, they could (according to you) catch the house on fire, and they need tending to.

"So being over 21 gives you the right to sneak behind her back"... So growing in your own house gives you the right to be growing an illegal plant in the first place? worst off if you live in an apartment in which you pose the same risks?

like 100% of all apartment growers are doing, they too are putting the owner's business and plenty of other mate's lives in jepordy on a much larger scale. how responcible of them? please skip the play on words, there will always be a right and wrong affiliated with marijuana in general and those of us who fight for its acceptance. whether it be politically or moraly. and seeing as to how you are active in a pro-marijuana forum, you've chosen the pro-grow side of things, fully aware of the legal and moral lines that you cross for doing so. the lifestyle is chosen, and no matter how flat the pancake, there will always be 2 sides... i respect all people's beliefs, i just exercise my own more strongly. peace?

there is a much larger statistic of teen drunks doing damage to their parents lives and their own. im glad to say that i have never posed that liability to my mother.

now please... how to deal with smell?

[headshake]

i'm not sure how the mods will take it, but you might want to check this link:

growing in your parents home (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/82239-growing-your-parents-home.html).

-shake

[retuks]

i see.. that thread makes it clear and im reconsidering my indoor operation...

smell problem should be out the door then... i should go buy alot more pots... but now for some new questions.
i will start growing outdoors, should i still keep them in pots? i know of a perfect spot for them.

would growing them under trees still give them enough light? imean "weeds" grow under trees all the time.

also.. im still having trouble with my dying child :( ... would the indoor 16/8 to outdoor (whatever time frame it is right now) shock my plants and turn them hermie?? or even worse, make them susseptable to disease since they been pretty much living a luxury for over a month?

[Weezard]

i see.. that thread makes it clear and im reconsidering my indoor operation...

smell problem should be out the door then... i should go buy alot more pots... but now for some new questions.
i will start growing outdoors, should i still keep them in pots? i know of a perfect spot for them.

would growing them under trees still give them enough light? imean "weeds" grow under trees all the time.

also.. im still having trouble with my dying child :( ... would the indoor 16/8 to outdoor (whatever time frame it is right now) shock my plants and turn them hermie?? or even worse, make them susseptable to disease since they been pretty much living a luxury for over a month?


Goodonya!
It's not just a legal issue, it's a TRUST issue.:cool:

Now, we'll help ya.:)

Moving from just 2 CFLs, to full tropical sun will probably kill them.
Under trees will actually work better.
You might want to bug spray the area before you put them out to knock down the spidermite population in advance.

They will need some help with bugs.
At least until they can defend themselves.

This time of year, they will probably begin flowering and will stretch to double their present height or more.
Wanna keep that in mind for visibility.
And, you still have the odor problem to deal with.
Folks gonna follow dere nose, ya know.

A guy here onna beeg island leaves a dead pig downwind of his grow to discourage sniffing.:wtf:
He t'inks evabody dumb, ya?:D

Good luck with the grow,

Weezard

[retuks]

huh spidermites??? i wasnt aware we had them on oahu! >_< usually i hear the common saying "juss put em in da ground and wait" from my local friends. ive seen one of my friend's plants and compared to mine (which have been in the soil MUCH longer than his), his is TRIPPLE the size of my biggest plant!...

anyways. i live on the eastside of oahu and since 95% of all growers put them in the ko'olau mountains, we got helicopters flying over them with infra-reds every 5 hours to pull them out, and everybody finds and steals/kills eachother's plants on the all the time to make things worse...

my spot is hopefully descolate enough that nobody would want to put effort into going there when they can easily steal eachothers crap in the mountains and leave mine alone :). how far would the smell travel?? imean the forest is full of smells anyway, say i treked about 50-100 feet off the common trail till i find a nice even spot to put my plants on??

and u say its better that i put them in the shadier parts, can i just leave it in that spot the whole time until it produces buds or what?

EDIT: those pics i uploaded are of my crop as of 1 hour ago... im still concerned about my biggest plant, its the droopy one of course, and that 4th pic is its twin sister so you can see the difference!! (they are the same size)

as u can see in pic of the whole fleet of them, that middle one has started to droop again... it WAS getting better from yesterday, but now its going all awkward silence Viagra on me!! main concern is my big plant... what to do?

[purplehaze11]

wouldnt 8 lights at 18hours a day rack up my electric bill??? and i only have 2 socket spaces for lights. would 4 lights be ok? but then... my electronic timer only allows 2 sockets >_<

It shouldn't make your bill too high, its only about 200 watts for 8 cfls. See if you can buy a fixture that holds 4 bulbs, you can pick them up for like 8 bucks at home depot.

Progress Lighting Broadway Collection Polished Brass 4-Light Wall Bracket - P3298-10 at The Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100649816&N=10000003+502671+10401001)

Kind of like that only you can get one that is much cheaper. You can put y- sockets in each of the bulb holders and you can have 8 cfls running from one power cord.

4 lights would be better, but for your 3.75 square foot space, it would only get you about 2000 lumens/square foot. You can definitely grow some dank weed under this light power, but your plants will thank you if you add more lights.

The electricity bill shouldn't be affected too much. 8 x 26 watt cfls = 208 watts x 18 hours per day = 3.744 kWh per day x .20 per kWh (not sure what the rates are in Hawaii so I guessed high) = .75 cents per day to run.

[headshake]

retkus, how often are you watering? have you been giving any nutes yet? where did you get that soil from?

-shake

[stinkyattic]

Despite MANY warnings from members, and a sticky in the FAQs linked here: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/82239-growing-your-parents-home.html plus the very basic SITE RULE that we do NOT discuss any type of parasitic grow, and we do NOT discuss selling the product...

I'm surprised anyone is offering to help...
This is OVER. So is the other one. I may merge them.