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LolaGal
11-11-2008, 09:55 PM
Hey, don't know if anybody but me believes in this......

The moon will be in Cancer on Nov.15th @2:52 pm EST until Monday Nov 17 until 4:06 pm EST.

This is a good time to germinate seeds if anyone needs help germinating.

The moon will be in the 3rd quarter which helps develop roots.....Best to not plant right near times given, as that is the time sign is changing.

Hope this helps, if so let me know, as I am interested.




:)

MichiganAero
11-12-2008, 09:52 PM
Well, this is very interesting.. Not that i dont belive you (im pretty open minded about this stuff) just wondering where you heard/read that? Also, should you germinate the 15th through the 17th? What if i germinate on the 15th, they crack, should I not plant them until after the 17th?

This is all purely conjecture for me because I germinated on the 1st and all the plans are already on their way.

Are there any other dates we should be aware of?

LolaGal
11-13-2008, 05:52 AM
Think I double posted, sorry.

I use Llewewllyn's Moon Sign Book. they claim they are more accurate than the Farmer's Almanac.

You can germinate any time between 15th and 17th as per above. Plant seeds per usual methods upon cracking. This book, which I have been using for gardening for 10 years, purports increases in seed germination of up to 96%.

This helps if you have old seeds or if you have valuable seeds you want to give every chance.

After the moon enters Leo on the 17th at 4:07 EST it is a barren unfruitful time. This could be used as a control. Use same seeds and germinate on 17th &18th in Leo and see if fewer seeds germ.

The book has everything from when to buy a car etc. by using Lunar guidelines If anyone wants, I could post a few more favorable germ dates or look up something specific related to gardening.

Hope this helps ya'll.





;)

LolaGal
11-21-2008, 06:02 AM
For a super excellent time to germinate seeds, try Dec 4,after 1:23 pm EST until Dec 6 9:43 pm EST.

FIRST QUARTER OF THE MOON BENEFITS: This quarter is for planting annuals producing their yield above the ground which are generally of the leafy kind.

SECOND QUARTER OF THE MOON BENEFITS: Good for planting crops of the leafy type that produce their seed inside the fruit.

VERY BEST TIME TO PLANT: The moon enters Pisces Thurs. Dec 4 . This is a very fruitful time as the moon is in the 1st quarter.

The moon enters the second quarter at 4:25 pm EST on the 5th. This will slightly decrease seed germination power.

Sat. Dec 6th at 9:44 pm EST the moon enters the barren sign of Aries. Thus planting seed at this time typically reduces the amount of seed that germinates.


Hope this helps anyone interested in the benefits of planting with the moon's signs. This method increases germination rates up to 96% as compared to 56% germination rate without moon's benefit. :)

Rusty Trichome
11-21-2008, 02:02 PM
For me, the best time to germinate is when I need to start the next crop.

Altho I'm sure the practice came in handy back before banks started giving calendars to farmers, I am doubtful when it comes to relying on farming folklore to grow cannabis. Especially indoors where we control every aspect of growth, and (for the most part) have no worries about a coming frost.

Curious...have you ever done a side-by-side comparison of results?

Dutch Pimp
11-21-2008, 02:44 PM
I am doubtful when it comes to relying on farming folklore to grow cannabis.

I agree with the moon phases, effecting all growing plants. My Dad said " plant seeds, by the dark of the moon"...so, I do.

He grew hemp during World War II. They planted it along the fence row, about 6-10 feet out, that way it didn't affect normal crops, like corn, etc. They said it was taller than the corn and twice as thick; as far as the eye could see.

I'm sure farmers over the past 200 years; noticed a trend, about what works best.

Rusty Trichome
11-21-2008, 03:27 PM
Ahhh...I see your point. My dad told me to avoid planting during the passing of Halley's Comet. Something about the spirit of the plants being sucked-up by the stardust that follows.
To each their own.
I'm also not a believer in lucky talismans, horoscopes, biorhythms, divining rods or pyramid power. If you feel more comfortable believing in folklore, fine. Just make sure the tales you believe in, do no harm.

I have never once seen anyone actually do a blind study of this, and thusly remain skeptical. Till it's proven, it's all conjecture. (proving your stance thru pictorial expression is of course acceptable...)

Dutch Pimp
11-21-2008, 03:36 PM
"you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make them drink"

LolaGal
11-21-2008, 05:17 PM
I have seen numerous tips and tricks to germinate seeds listed in these boards. If someone has spent hundreds on seeds, I would think they might want to give those seeds EVERY chance possible.

In both posts I offered a good time as well as an alternate barren time. Thus allowing anyone an opportunity to do their own experiments.

I was just trying to help, especially newbies.

If anyone wants me to continue posting helpful tips, please reply. Otherwise I will keep my mouth shut in the future.


:)

Rusty Trichome
11-21-2008, 05:44 PM
This subject comes up a few times per year, at least. Nobody has ever posted results confirming or debunking this. However, since using sound germination techniques produce a predictable result no matter what time of year I plant, I find it rather doubtful that it matters at all.

Your post shows you believe the farmers had a 'secret' to planting. I am not saying you are wrong to see it from that perspective, but that there just may be an alternative explination behind the reasoning for this technique. I believe that back in the early days not all farmers had calendars, but by watching moon cycles and weather over the years found a good method of "starting" their season to assure seasonal weather or market deadlines were met, no matter what region of the country you were farming in. :thumbsup:

Dutch Pimp
11-21-2008, 05:47 PM
If anyone wants me to continue posting helpful tips, please reply. Otherwise I will keep my mouth shut in the future.



speak you mind ..LolaGal

some will follow, some won't....speak wisely ..or something, close to it....:smokin:

Advanced Techniques Forum is for cutting edge proven ideas...I assume....and agriculture doesn't change too much at once.

LolaGal
11-21-2008, 06:13 PM
speak you mind ..LolaGal

some will follow, some won't....speak wisely ..or something, close to it....:smokin:

Advanced Techniques Forum is for cutting edge proven ideas...I assume....and agriculture doesn't change too much at once.

I originally posted my first gardening by the moon tip in Basic growing forum, but someone moved it to advanced techniques, so I assumed that is where it belonged:)

Rusty: Yes there have been studies done by scientists to prove this works, however it does not sound like you need any help growing at all. You are not the audience I was trying to reach. I was trying to help the person who has blew a bunch of money on seeds and has to pray that at least a few germinate. Not all of us live in areas where there is access to good genetics. Why not use the same seeds, use the dates given and give us a report on what pops up. I have experienced a 56% germ rate with same seeds in barren moon sign, planted same seeds in favorable moon sign and got 96% germination. Is that an appreciable difference? If you only had 10 seeds and 5 popped versus 9 popping....which would you prefer?:D


;)

Dutch Pimp
11-21-2008, 06:56 PM
I originally posted my first gardening by the moon tip in Basic growing forum, but someone moved it to advanced techniques, so I assumed that is where it belonged



that is strange?...but, who knows what happens after midnite...:thumbsup:

LolaGal
11-22-2008, 02:30 AM
Update: Using date of Nov 16 08, three seeds were attempted to germ. Germ was done in mix of ProMix and perlite in a small peat pot.

Seeds recently obtained were packaged in June 2007.

planted using favorable moon sign of 11-16 all three popped today. 100% germination rate in old seeds:)

Hoorah! Planting by the moon works for me...(LolaGal happily whistles) Hope it helps you!

LolaGal
11-22-2008, 02:39 AM
Using date of Nov 16 as optimal date I had a 100% germination rate using old seeds packed in June 2007:)

Rusty Trichome
11-22-2008, 01:27 PM
Rusty: Yes there have been studies done by scientists to prove this works... Which scientists...? If you could point me to the links that back this statement up, (along with their results) perhaps my mind would change. However, I try to avoid wives tales and folklore when it comes to growing my meds.


If you only had 10 seeds and 5 popped versus 9 popping....which would you prefer?
I'd prefer not having to delay or accelerate my grow patterns to suit the moon, as sound technique trumps voodoo and supposition. Relying on the moon phases, without sound technique...you still get the same ratio of failures. I am curious tho...is cannabis a Libra or a Virgo...? Are Indica's and Sativa's the same sign...? And isn't there some magical month when the moon suits planting cannabis better than during the other 11 months? Are there any incantations we shoud be reciting during the planting, to assure potency, disease resistance and mega-growth...? Should we face mecca...? Do we adjust for longitude and latitude of our garden, or for where the strains originated, under a pyramid pointed north?

It's kinda funny...you show a desire to recieve respect for from others for posting this, yet you seem to have little respect for dissenting opinions. Since it's you saying the technique you use is sound, it is incumbant uopn you to provide the proof. As I can not find anything scientific supporting your claims, my opinion remains unchanged.

Don't like my opinion? Then prove me wrong, and show scientific proof. (others are of course welcome to help you find this info...)

p.s. nobody has told you that you shouldn't post. If you are a bit touchy, I apologize for challenging this 'technique', but this, of course, won't keep me from poking fun at the folklore. :jointsmile:

LolaGal
11-22-2008, 06:20 PM
Which scientists...? If you could point me to the links that back this statement up, (along with their results) perhaps my mind would change. However, I try to avoid wives tales and folklore when it comes to growing my meds.


I'd prefer not having to delay or accelerate my grow patterns to suit the moon, as sound technique trumps voodoo and supposition. Relying on the moon phases, without sound technique...you still get the same ratio of failures. I am curious tho...is cannabis a Libra or a Virgo...? Are Indica's and Sativa's the same sign...? And isn't there some magical month when the moon suits planting cannabis better than during the other 11 months? Are there any incantations we shoud be reciting during the planting, to assure potency, disease resistance and mega-growth...? Should we face mecca...? Do we adjust for longitude and latitude of our garden, or for where the strains originated, under a pyramid pointed north?

It's kinda funny...you show a desire to recieve respect for from others for posting this, yet you seem to have little respect for dissenting opinions. Since it's you saying the technique you use is sound, it is incumbant uopn you to provide the proof. As I can not find anything scientific supporting your claims, my opinion remains unchanged.

Don't like my opinion? Then prove me wrong, and show scientific proof. (others are of course welcome to help you find this info...)

p.s. nobody has told you that you shouldn't post. If you are a bit touchy, I apologize for challenging this 'technique', but this, of course, won't keep me from poking fun at the folklore. :jointsmile:

I don't crave respect nor have I shown disrespect to other's opinions. I have repeatedly stated I posted this with a desire to help others. You have confused horoscopes with lunar planting. They are not related.

Today people often reject the notion of moon gardening. The usual nonbeliever is not a scientist, but the city dweller who has never had any real contact with nature and no experience of natural rhythms.

Does the moon have any effect on the earth? I guess you are right Rusty, it has no effect at all.

I care not if you agree with my opinions or not, nor do I care if you challenge my techniques. It is rather comical to read comments such as what sign is this plant, mecca, voodoo etc. Have fun at my expense all you like. I don't need to or want to change your opinions.

If your methods of growing suit your needs, great. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. This thread was intended for those looking for an extra edge in germinating and could in no way hurt or hinder anything.

Rusty Trichome
11-23-2008, 12:44 AM
I am not saying you are wrong to see it from that perspective...
Gee...I'm real sorry that asking for the proof you saw offends you. Thought it may be a great way for you to show us non-believers how the testing was done, and what the results were.

The incantation, pyramid and horoscope references were intended as a joke, as some feel they are on the same par.

Did I say the moon has no effect on earth and it's inhabitants...? No. Corals are definatelly lunar-based in timing their spawning, but can withhold spawning if conditions are unfavorable. But that's a reproductive timing thing (so they all spawn on same night) and it's comparing apples and oranges, as cannabis is a terrestrial entity.
I just find it hard to believe that seeds have developed over the millions of years, to wait for exactly the right moon phase to germinate. Were this the case we would not be able to germinate till it's genetics tell it that the moon is in the right house or phase or whatever. It seems more of an opportunist, taking advantage of any opportunity to grow and propogate. Good soil conditions, or no so good conditions...it seems always ready to try.

LolaGal
11-23-2008, 02:16 AM
Rusty: Thanks for the wonderful apology. Let's be friends.:) By the way, you are talking to a scientist if a Bachelors of Science means anything these days.;) I Have reported my success rates with planting same seeds and germination rates of seeds planted in "barren" signs of the moon.

Yes one can plant a seed any day of the month and with optimal conditions it is likely to germinate. Lunar planting simply optimizes germination. More seeds planted come up using the Gardening By The Moon method.

However if one has limited experience germinating, old seeds, etc., THIS is when to use this method.:) Of course once you try it you will always want to Garden By The Moon. Try it and let us know.

Please see above for ACTUAL scientific results of 100% germination of OLD seeds using this method!


Yippee...(LolaGal does several backflips across the room) I am so glad to have this method it works so well for me.

LolaGal
11-26-2008, 01:19 AM
A quote from another thread by her dankness, StinkyAttic


"Guys will you PLEASE fucking knock it off? What is it, a full moon?"


END QUOTE





LOL, couldn't resist adding to the thread
:D

LolaGal
12-01-2008, 12:02 AM
Day 10 update: WOW! I knew these dates were good for germing and rooting but I am shocked.

Already have roots coming out the bottoms of the 3 inch peat pots. Awesome.

killerweed420
12-01-2008, 05:55 PM
I've tried this with vegetables a couple times. Never seemed to help. But I know some farmers who swear by it.

the image reaper
12-01-2008, 06:10 PM
the famous 'Farmers' Almanac' has charts for it, too ... every midwest corn/bean farmer I know says it's all a load of bull (but, they all plant by the moon, anyway) :D

pm_BigBud
12-02-2008, 05:20 AM
Hey I just read this post for the first time but I have five plants that are 14 days old as of the 1st of December and these plants are growing faster than I was expecting, they had tap roots about an inch long in one day but I kept them germinating and by the second day they were out of their shells and had the round starter leafs. I put them in rock wool and they are growing greatly, I think. The only thing I regret is that I put all five in the same rock wool but I'm not to worried. BTW I'm using one 42w (150w) cfl.

Dutch Pimp
12-02-2008, 03:07 PM
"What............we have, here..............is .............failure to communicate"

LolaGal
12-02-2008, 11:35 PM
PmBigBud: If I understand you...you planted in these dates by accident and now realize that gardening by the moon must be why your plants are doing so good.

Thanks for letting me know it helped.

pm_BigBud
12-03-2008, 01:05 AM
well yeah thats what happened. how do you think they are doing? I think they look well given the grow condition and age.

LolaGal
12-03-2008, 02:37 AM
I think they look awesome! Better than mine! Bigger too. Way to go. Keep up the good work.

LolaGal
12-04-2008, 12:07 AM
Just a reminder to ya'll who need help germinating seeds.

Dec 4 after 1:23 pm EST is a really GREAT time to germinate.

I will be using for White Rhino and California Orange Bud.

I'll let you know how it turns out. If anyone else tries these dates let me know your success/failures. Thanks. Happy Growing.

GoldenGraham84
12-04-2008, 04:38 AM
just thought i'd throw this out there:

there is something in one of my cultivation books about using this method. it mentions the gravitational effect of the moon drawing the water table up, ever so slightly, and thus helping to increase germination success. theres some other hypothesized theories in there about why else it may affect germing positively, but only hypothesized.

stay safe everyone
-GG84

Rusty Trichome
12-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Please see above for ACTUAL scientific results of 100% germination of OLD seeds using this method!
I understand your stance on the subject, but that test is definatelly not scientific, nor is the 'phases of the moon' technique.

Around two months ago, I planted 15 seeds in 15 cups. All 15 sprouted. I only have room for 12 vegging plants, so I culled the weakest 3. I sexed the plants after being in flower for about a week, and what do ya know...all females. Bummer...I kinda wanted to pollinate.

Did the phase of the moon affect my seedlings? Was the moon in the right house, or were their bio-rhythms in proper alignment...?
No. Looking back at my records, I femmed those seeds around 4 years ago.

You want to try and prove the technique? Grab a few hundred thousand seeds of the same genetics, divide into groups of 100, and start planting a few hundred per day, for a couple of hundred lunar cycles. Make sure all are planted at same depth, pointy side down, under identical conditions throughout the germination process. Document the results, then do it again a couple of times to verify findings. Then, do the same thing with pointy sides up. Then face them west, then point them north under a pyramid, lol.

A Google search will show (if you dig deep enough) that a couple of Universities have tried, and to this day, no conclusive results have been posted that I'm aware of. (it's never been proven as a valid technique) If someone comes along with valid proof, I'll possibly reform my opinion, but until then, I'll just keep hangin' garlic around my growspace, to keep those pesky warewolves out of my garden. It's obviously working...as my garden is fine and I've found no warewolf footprints around the area. :jointsmile:

LolaGal
12-04-2008, 05:02 PM
LOL Rusty..Rusty...Rusty..

I have been up nights crying because I can't change your opinions.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................

LolaGal
12-05-2008, 07:03 PM
13th day after popping soil: Transplanted to large green plastic cup on 1st when moon in Capricorn (good for planting root crops). Moon was in 1st quarter, which is good for leafy annuals.


Already have roots visible through plastic cup almost to bottom. Gonna let them get a little rootbound before transplanting again.


My intention is to grow a "thoroughbred" plant with all of it's transplanting, etc., done in optimal moon signs. Plants will be flowered in Libra (good sign for flowers) Then plants will be harvested in favorable moon sign. With very little planning ahead it is an easy matter to find good dates, usually 3 day periods, that suit your plant's needs.

Hopefully by taking advantage of different aspects of lunar gardening plants will do better and have fewer problems with molds, disease, pests, etc. Thanks for dropping by!:thumbsup:

LolaGal
12-08-2008, 04:51 AM
Just checked on my Dec 4 planting. One WR has poked up her head tonite! She must be the early bird in the bunch.

LolaGal
12-08-2008, 06:08 PM
Woohoo, 2 WRs popped and 2 COBs popped during the night. Still waiting for the last two......as usual started in small peat pots with promix and perlite. No presoaking etc., just using the powers of the MOON!

Thanks for dropping by.:)

LolaGal
12-08-2008, 06:21 PM
These gals are on fire! One week after transplant they have roots coming out bottom again. Already have 4 nodes. Stinky stinky babies. Nothing like the smell of a fresh plant growing in the morning........

Thanks for dropping by...:)

Biggins
12-08-2008, 07:12 PM
So when you garden based on the moon, do you germinate at like 1am on that day?

LolaGal
12-08-2008, 09:03 PM
I have to give the times the moon enters and exits a favorable period. This is mostly so you can avoid planting near exact times given to avoid planting in another sign.

Since 1:23 p.m. EST was time moon entering favorable period, I used time of 4 pm CST to plant on the 4th.

You can plant anytime during the favorable period with good results, I just wanted to get going! This is my experimental log to let others know of this easy method that helps me have healthy plants!

EDIT: After posting this, stuck my head in the bathroom and GUESS WHAT
Everbody's heads are sticking up! 3 WRs and 3 COBs! WooHoo! YeeHaw! 100% Germination Success! [LolaGal does backflips across room] I am doing the Happy Dance! Now cross ya'lls fingers that I can get 3 moms....one of each type. (Please Santa that is all I want for Christmas...girls.....I have been a good gal.)


:) Happy Gardening By the Moon! :)




:D

Rock.Steady
12-09-2008, 03:49 AM
*holding up olympic score card*
"9.8 for Form and Artistic Ability"


diggin the backflips:cool:

LolaGal
12-09-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks RockSteady! It's nice to have a positive comment in this thread! But I don't think I would do well in the Olympics! Too many .....uh...tests........:)

The girls are all up this morning trying to get the shells off their heads. I always want to help, but am trying to control myself.

Thanks for dropping by to visit, ya'll come back soon. The girls and I love company! :)

LolaGal
12-09-2008, 07:33 PM
:) Here's a few choice dates coming up in December for those who want to Garden By The Moon :)

Harvest By the Moon: Good dates to harvest your crops when the moon will be in a DRY sign...........15th (after 1:22 AM EST), 16th Moon will be in Leo and Moon will be decreasing.

Crops should be harvested in the 3rd & 4th quarters in a dry sign. Crops should be dried in 3rd quarter, if possible, in a fire sign (Leo, for example).

December 24th (after 6:13 AM EST) and December 25th are also good harvest dates. The Moon will be in Sagittarius (dry) and Moon will be in 4th quarter.



GOOD PLANTING DATES LEFT IN DECEMBER: Sat. 13th (after 1:39 AM EST), Sunday 14th (until 1:22 AM EST 15th) Moon will be in 3rd quarter which is good for rooting. Moon is in Cancer, which is the most beneficial planting sign.

Monday 22nd and Tuesday 23rd are acceptable planting dates as well, although not as good, since in 4th quarter.

SUPER EXCELLENT PLANTING DAY LEFT IN DECEMBER: Wed 31st (after 7:27 PM EST) Moon will be back in 1st quarter and Moon will be in Pisces, a water sign, which is very fruitful.


Don't forget to adjust times to your particular Time Zone, all times given are Eastern Standard Time EST. It is best to avoid planting right near any time given.

Rock.Steady
12-10-2008, 12:25 AM
tests? bah. Russians and Germans been gettin away wit it fo yeeeeeers.
you ever looked at some of those,,,,,,um,,,,,women?:wtf:

um, yeah :S2:

LolaGal
12-10-2008, 12:54 AM
No kidding, I've been suspicious since the 72 games when those German shemales competed! :) But I'm not worried about STEROIDS......LOL...

I plan on transplanting my NLHaze children tonite. They have outgrown their first transplant in record time. Already rootbound. Tonite they have their very first 5 leaf. Had a little problem with mold, but bumped temps and removed dried out topsoil. No further problems since. (Used barren weed killing moon sign)

I know what the problem was, forgot an old poor man's C02 experiment from last time. Removed from vast underground secret grow room, don't expect any more problems with mold. :)

Anyway, off to the laboratory for more mad scientist experiments! ;)

LolaGal
12-10-2008, 03:35 AM
Had to transplant my little NLHaze babies again today. Didn't have a choice because they had totally rootbound themselves in 16 oz cup in 8 days.

The moon is in Taurus tonite, so I'm hoping for even stronger roots with this sign. Full moon is Friday nite if anybody feels romantic.

Thanks for stopping by :thumbsup:

Rock.Steady
12-10-2008, 05:35 AM
no, silly.:D
i meant, if they could get away with THAT, then your lil test should be a breeze;):cool:

Dutch Pimp
12-10-2008, 02:22 PM
The first 30 days is busy...busy. You can rest during flowering...sort of..:thumbsup:

LolaGal
12-10-2008, 11:19 PM
Well anyway Rock, the only Olympic event I'm interested in is Men's Diving....drool...drool.:)




The NLHaze babies survived the transplant without noticing they were moved. Don't believe they grew any last night though.... They don't look like they have a sativa gene in their ...er..bones. Big fat leafed rascals.

The Cali Oranges and White Rhinos have all gotten the shells off their heads and are looking good under their shop light. I did help one of them escape their shell, I know, I couldn't resist. She immediately threw her arms out and rejoiced to be free.

I keep talking to them and telling them there's no need to worry about reproducing, as I will keep them alive forever and clone baby after baby. Hopefully, this will encourage them to all be girls. Keep your fingers crossed everybody!

Now if I could just get the battery charger to re-charge those AAs, I could get photo.

Thanks again to everyone who has dropped by....enjoy gardening by the moon.

pm_BigBud
12-11-2008, 05:07 AM
hey lola hows your plant doing. got any pics?

LolaGal
12-11-2008, 07:10 AM
Hey PmBigBud: Thanks for asking. They are working on their 5th node, they're about 5 inches tall. Big wide fat leaves. don't see a sativa influence at all.

Camera batteries down, recharger is a piece of Chinese crap. Gonna have to leave the hills and buy a new one. Sometimes being green is a pain in the butt. :)

In the meantime, show me yours.....they are same age. I bet yours are still bigger. :)

LolaGal
12-12-2008, 04:59 PM
Although my NLHaze babies are only about 5 inches tall, they have leaves that are as big as my hand!

They are doing well, as are the WRs and Orangebuds. The latter already have roots out the bottoms of their peat pots. Gonna have to transplant soon.

I just can't get over how the NLHaze babies have such GIANT leaves.......They are wider than tall...nice strong stems. They love the MH.


Well thanks for stopping by to see how they are doing.:)

Dutch Pimp
12-12-2008, 05:06 PM
I'm pulling for the WR's...:rhinoceros:...I don't know the others..:smokin:

LolaGal
12-12-2008, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the pullin' Dutch. The WRs are from your input. Was torn between widows or rhinos. I'm hoping to get one mother out of each kind. I also need some meds, ran out of the infamous sea weed from summer grow. Hope somebody starts alternating nodes soon.......maybe they know they will get smoked if they get big enough. :)

Dutch Pimp
12-12-2008, 05:21 PM
It, all requires the patience of ...J<>B

LolaGal
12-12-2008, 05:24 PM
I wonder if they sense it when I smell them and go MMMMmmmmm I want to smoke you. They sho do smell mighty good.

DTRave420
12-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Hi LolaGal!!!Sounds like everything is going great,good deal...I can't recommend "MaxiCrop Liquid Seaweed" enough,one capful per gallon once a week during veg...Sorry I'm late...SUBSCRIBED to your SPACEGROW!!!:D

LolaGal
12-12-2008, 11:37 PM
Thanks for dropping by Dave (it is Dave, I figured Dave The Rave).




Big OOPS! from me, looked at the wrong dates and Transplanted my children in a BARREN sign today.:(

Why did I think it was Saturday?????? Must be the lack of THC in my brain.

Hope I haven't killed all my Rhinos and OrangeBuds.......

They are all under the 400 MH. I will go to town and get some batteries tomorrow......tune in for PICS then.





See ya'll later........Don't forget FULL MOON tonite...enjoy!

GoldenGraham84
12-13-2008, 12:38 AM
congrats on successes and whacks on the head for thinking it was saturday. :)
no, but really, glad to hear about the success. way to go! now get them pics and prove it! ;)

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Hey GG, thanks for dropping by. I'll get them pics on asap!

brain needs more thc...............system levels at critical.....LOL

GoldenGraham84
12-13-2008, 01:40 AM
critical? you kidding me? my stash ran out last night. i asked a friend's sister and she wanted $40/eighth! i was so ticked off because i smoked some of that 2 days ago and it was total dirt weed! so, no go there. thinking about (shudder) scraping for resin... and to think i have a lovely little girl about 2 weeks from starting flower... sigh... marijuana is a love/hate relationship

GoldenGraham84
12-13-2008, 01:47 AM
hooray! 4 stars! was rusty the "friend" you referenced? LOL

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 01:50 AM
Well, I have $$ and no where to buy! All my connections are dead, married to mormons, etc. I wrote Santa a letter, but that bastard won't share his herb. I guess them reindeer ate it all!

Lolagal crawls across floor slowly, her tongue hanging out...."Need THC" she mutters, and then falls into coma.

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 01:57 AM
Nah, he's no friend of mine....more like a &*%$#@ a** I love the way he demands PROOF, but expects everyone else to take his word. I want Santa to bring him tolerance for Christmas.

It's funny I posted something and then watched the little one star pop up as a friend left. It's no big deal. I thought it was funny. But thanks.

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 03:13 AM
EEEkkk! Went to check on my grow and a grow bag had fell over. Was like that about 4 hours. Didn't break the gal or anything, but she is at a 45 degree angle from turning to the lights.

I sat her back up....will she be ok?

Dutch Pimp
12-13-2008, 03:33 AM
It should be OK. I'll never understand, the concept of 'grow bags'....:wtf:...:D

DTRave420
12-13-2008, 03:57 AM
It should be OK. I'll never understand, the concept of 'grow bags'....:wtf:...:D

I never used em,but I guess it's a nice concept as far as the bags that come with a pre-mixed medium inside go...No mixing or lugging,just peal open the top and punch out the drainage holes on the bottom and transplant...The camouflage bags are also a nifty idea for outdoor growers...Some of them come with straps so you can hang em in trees,lol...:D

Yes LolaGal,you are correct...

I AM "DAVE THE RAVE"!!!!!! Bow your heads,lol...:hippy:

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 04:06 AM
Well, I am gardening on the cheap. Ya'll are gonna laugh at me when you see em.

I had this FoodSaver thingy given to me and it has these plastic bags, so I thought, hmmm. An 80 mile round trip to civilization to get a pot or use these FoodSaver bags? Its one of them there vacuum sucking thingys.

Live and learn. It was odd though.....I think she hollered at me or something....got a strange urge to go check and see if one was overturned...and damn.

LOLAGAL hears theme from Twilight Zone playing......as she gears up for the trek to civilization to buy 1 gallon pots...

DTRave420
12-13-2008, 04:14 AM
Live and learn. It was odd though.....I think she hollered at me or something....got a strange urge to go check and see if one was overturned...and damn.



Yep,if ya listen really closely...:jointsmile:

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 04:22 AM
ROFL

LolaGal giggles madly as she read DTRs post.

That was really the best laugh I had all week. TGIF. :)

I swear, I used those damn things last time and had no problems, then I had this WEIRD feeling, my plant was in distress. So of course I had to take the elevator down to the underground chambers and check. :) It had only been like 4 hours since I checked on them....

Dutch Pimp
12-13-2008, 04:27 AM
I having been reading about.. 'smart bags'...(ICMag)...anybody, familar with those?

DTRave420
12-13-2008, 04:33 AM
I having been reading about.. 'smart bags'...(ICMag)...anybody, familar with those?

Nope...Just tried google and came out with grocery help type bags,lol...Guess I'll give a look at IC later...I'm a member but have only lurked and it's been ages since I even did that...:smokin:

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 04:36 AM
No, I haven't heard of those Dutch.

By the way, what time has come? signature....


I need to add potting soil to my grocery list, but living out here in the sticks I will be lucky to find MG.

Anybody got any suggestions? I don't want to order 100 lbs of soil in the mail.

Dutch Pimp
12-13-2008, 04:50 AM
When I get a little loopy...I put up a favorite song....:glugglug::lol5::madnoel:

pm_BigBud
12-13-2008, 04:55 AM
Hey here a few pics I change the bucket and added two more lights a week ago, They're 25 days old. Tell me what you think. Oh btw I did a little LST also.

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 04:56 AM
Thank God, I thought maybe you were fixin to go off! LOL

I didn't recognize the song....

HooWhee, 2 good laughs today. I'm on a roll. I haven't laughed this much in a long time. Has that full moon got ya'll tore up out there?

[LolaGal howls at the moon, just for fun]
Dixie,[ LolaGal's trusty dog] looks at LolaGal rather strangely.......:)

LolaGal
12-13-2008, 05:01 AM
They look SUPER! This gardening by the moon really works. Check out the DEc 4-5 gardening by the moon thread for more helpful gardening by the moon tips for the rest of the month.

Thanks for the show! You are a good farmer PM!

Dutch Pimp
12-13-2008, 05:48 AM
Nope...Just tried google and came out with grocery help type bags,lol...Guess I'll give a look at IC later...I'm a member but have only lurked and it's been ages since I even did that...:smokin:


My Bad. It's SmartPot. I don't know...... what, was I thinking?....:stoned:

:)....http://www.smartpots.com/...I got to study this more...:thumbsup:...Air Prune Roots?...interesting concept.

ps...I fucked the link up...too...:pimp:

Rusty Trichome
12-13-2008, 03:05 PM
Big OOPS! from me, looked at the wrong dates and Transplanted my children in a BARREN sign today.:( What do ya want to bet it has no negative effect, as every square inch of your growroom contains a barren sign...? (out to lunch)



Nah, he's no friend of mine....more like a &*%$#@ a** I love the way he demands PROOF, but expects everyone else to take his word.
lol...Rusty doesn't hang with wanna-be ethereal airheads.

Asking for proof, is all part of the Advanced Gardening forum experience. Providing it shows there is validity to your supposition. Devoid of proof, it's just unsubstanciated words coming from ones ass.
And actually, I could care less if anyone else takes my word. Each and every member can and will decide for themselves whether ethereal powers will truly make your garden grow better than using sound techniques. My aim is to help keep the integrity of the forum intact, and dispell rhumors, which is essentially what this "technique" is. An airheaded attempt at relevance. Lacking any validation of you little project, it's just an weak attempt at trying to beat the biology of gardening.

I love the way you rag on me for demanding proof, yet you treat proof as a silly aside, not necessary in the Advanced forums.
I still question your calims of being a masters student. And the fable of you being a scientict at U. Mass, and about the g-13 strain you developed for us lowly med patients,..? Priceless. Bullshit, but priceless. Still sticking to that story, or has it changed with the phases of the moon?

Again...it's not the technique that is bothersome, (at best it's benign) it's your passing it off as fact that is bullshit.

axxxxe
12-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Man I am really upset, as you all know last night was a full moon. I think there was some extra gravitational pull or something as all of my clones where pulled right out of the soil either it was the moon or maybe my cat was messing with me as he enjoys reading this thread also!

DTRave420
12-13-2008, 06:33 PM
My Bad. It's SmartPot. I don't know...... what, was I thinking?....:stoned:

:)....http://www.smartpots.com/...I got to study this more...:thumbsup:...Air Prune Roots?...interesting concept.

ps...I fucked the link up...too...:pimp:

No prob Dutch...I thankyou 4 the info...Their air-prune doesn't impress me that much as compared to a regular transplant...This product would be ideal for someone that finds themselves unable to transplant...:hippy:

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 05:12 AM
...Rusty doesn't hang with wanna-be ethereal airheads.




I have tried to politely to get rid of you, obviously you cannot take a hint.

I am not interested in your opinions Rusty Trichome.

The only post of yours I want to see is your phone number, which I will call as soon as hell freezes over.



ethereal |i??i(?)r??l| adjective 1 extremely delicate and light in a way that seems too perfect for this world : her ethereal beauty | a singer who has a weirdly ethereal voice. ā?¢ heavenly or spiritual : ethereal, otherworldly visions.

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 05:32 AM
Hey Ya'll,

I was thinking about writing a novel in my spare time the last few years, but could never come up with a really cool idea. Then for some reason, out of the blue, wham....an epiphany.

LOLAGAL COPYRIGHTED TREATMENT FOR NOVEL:

Ok...There's this real crusty dude that likes to argue online all the time...until one day he messes with a psycho. Crusty dude makes psycho mad. Psycho goes on rampage, hunts him down. Oh yeah the psycho is like some crazed, benign, genius who has been hunkered down in her family estate since 1976 hacking computers. This chick is really hot and super intelligent. She has all kinds of degrees, money, fast cars etc. By the end of the book everybody is rooting for the psycho....


Well that's my treatment. I am so glad I finally got a good idea for the book. I am going to start writing it as soon as the Moon is in Gemini. Mercury should be making favorable aspects to Uranus and Neptune when starting a new writing projecct for pleasure or publication.

I should have it at the publishers by the new year!:D


I will have to dedicate the book to........................................my mom.

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 05:44 AM
Well, now that the entertainment portion of the evening is over............



My girls are all doing fine. Made the trek to civilization today and looked in vain for potting soil, pots.

The gal that fell over is OK. Straightened right up. Thanks for holding my hand ya'll.

Still working on photos, got a new battery charger and new rechargeable batteries.

I have noticed a great difference in the plants I germed in Nov. and the Dec. girls.

Moon was in the 3rd quarter in November and I really noticed a VAST difference in the roots. Much more vigorous roots..!

The Dec gals were in the 1st quarter and do not have the same root growth as the others. So I will definitely be doing my planting in the 3rd quarter in future to see if this trend continues to hold.


Thanks to all my friends for stopping by............I appreciate the support and kind comments....:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome
12-14-2008, 12:38 PM
Lol. ROFLMAO. Most airheads believe they are sooo hot. But then...most airheads are wrong.

e⋅the⋅re⋅al   /ɪˈθɪəriəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-theer-ee-uhl] Show IPA Pronunciation

ā??adjective 1. light, airy, or tenuous: an ethereal world created through the poetic imagination.
An ethereal creature, e.g., a fairy.

etheĀ·reĀ·al
Pronunciation: \i-ˈthir-ē-əl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1513
1 a: of or relating to the regions beyond the earth
2 a: lacking material substance : immaterial , intangible b

Yup...Ethereal Lola. Unable to prove her concept, so defends herself with bullshit stories. Likely a Virgo. Bummer.

Am still waiting for ANYONE to help this poor misguided etherealist back up her claims, as she is unable to do so herself. C'mon folks...let's see just one legitimate study backing this Advanced concept to it's end.

Rusty Trichome
12-14-2008, 01:05 PM
I have tried to politely to get rid of you, obviously you cannot take a hint. If lying is politeness, yes, you have tried. This is not your community, nor do you have the authority to be getting rid of anyone. How about putting your money where your mouth is, and show your proof?
Please, by all means...describe the mechanism within the seed, clone or plant that triggers this ethereal result.


I am not interested in your opinions Rusty Trichome. Yeah, I get the feeling that if it's not bullshit, you are just not interested. Conversely, I'm not interested in half-baked etherial concepts not backed by science, not backed by biology, not backed by common sense, not backed by the many hundreds of thousands of growers that have great success using sound gardening technique without use of planting according to a moon, an incantion or spell, special crystals...

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 04:50 PM
Advanced Techniques
Challenging growing methods, new techniques, experiments, etc.



Above is the actual wording of the requirements for posting in Advanced Techniques section.

This is an EXPERIMENT.



Shoo fly............go away.

Rusty Trichome
12-14-2008, 05:32 PM
So now it's gone from established technique that you don't understand how anyone could challenge, to an experiment.

Much better. Your aquiescence is greatly appreciated. ;)

As for my going away...doubtful. Especially since we've been thru sooo much together. :jointsmile:

When folks stop posting "experiment"s and selling them as fact, I'll gladly return my efforts to helping others thru the rough spots.

Good luck, and may your efforts be a true learning experience. :thumbsup:

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 05:46 PM
acquiesce |?akw??es| verb [ intrans. ] accept something reluctantly but without protest





Does he need help wid the big words? Does he....yes he does....

LolaGal
12-14-2008, 06:04 PM
Man I am really upset, as you all know last night was a full moon. I think there was some extra gravitational pull or something as all of my clones where pulled right out of the soil either it was the moon or maybe my cat was messing with me as he enjoys reading this thread also!

Axxxxe what about an update on your mysterious gravitating clones? I bet it was that darn cat! Haha

My cat loves to pull little plants up by the roots. He is a devil. Everything you ever heard bad about a siamese rolled into one.:)

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 12:53 AM
Day 28: by my calculations since planting day.

NLHaze 5 inches tall, 8 inches wide. Strong sturdy leaves. 6 nodes. Compact nodes noted. Multiple side shoot branches developing on lower branches.

I am amazed that 6 days after transplanting into 1 gallon bags, roots visible to bottom of bag. Approximately 10 inch long root systems, well developed.

Tried to get that camera of mine to work, can't get it to do anything:wtf: Sorry.

Thanks for stopping by..........

:)

EDIT: Big Ups to my friend indeed..:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome
12-15-2008, 01:08 PM
acquiesce |?akw??es| verb [ intrans. ] accept something reluctantly but without protest
Does he need help wid the big words? Does he....yes he does....

Whatever Lolag, at least one of us can use it in a sentence without having to look it up. Next time I use a word with more that two syllables, I'll be sure to provide you the definition and usage. My bad. :jointsmile:

daihashi
12-15-2008, 01:39 PM
I find this a bit silly myself. I probably would never accept this as fact. I've had around 95% germ success rate. You are going to get the occassional duds that just dont pop.

And to call this an experiment would require you to maintain a control which I didn't see in this post, maybe I missed it; and your variable (germing by the moon) would tell you whether it gave you better success than the control. In addition to this you would probably have to germ a few hundred seeds (maybe more) to get an accurate reading.

If you think it works more power to you but you'll never catch me waiting for a full moon to germinate my seeds. :hippy:

the image reaper
12-15-2008, 01:55 PM
I have no idea whether 'moon planting' has any benefits or not, but a lot of modern farmers still adhere to it, and the Farmer's Almanac still touts it ... OK, my point is, I am not on either side, I just plant whenever I feel like it, BUT, I think insulting someone over something that is regularly practiced, and harmless in every respect, is just rude and obnoxious ... just leave it the fuck alone, and stop arguing ... now, you kids go play nice :smokin:

Dutch Pimp
12-15-2008, 02:02 PM
No harm...No foul.

daihashi
12-15-2008, 03:04 PM
The only way I could see this working is if planting outside and perhaps the gravitational pull of the new moon draws water higher up in the soil than normal (I still think even this is far fetched but it would make sense). For indoor growing though I cannot see the relevance.

A quick search pulled up a few other forums having this exact same discussion.. in almost the exact same tone/manner as on here. It's pretty funny.

Dutch Pimp
12-15-2008, 03:31 PM
A quick search pulled up a few other forums having this exact same discussion.. in almost the exact same tone/manner as on here. It's pretty funny.

is that like a parallel universe?

axxxxe
12-15-2008, 03:58 PM
no point in beating a dead horse besides i enjoyed the secret agent g13 rusty horny dog story better. Being a nerd I would have to say that if you use words that lead to fact other than opinion you should be able to foot note details other than because I said so. Just a humble opinion of someone who doest really give a rats ass. peace

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 04:15 PM
GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS......

Checked on my NLHaze babies and all 3 are girls! Wow! Cool. Never saw that coming!

Decided to name them Faith, Hope, and Charity!


The WRs and COBs are unfortunately, stalled. Still alive, but no growth.




Just got buzzed by the man in a chopper. Odd...weird buzzing sound noted prior to seeing him fly over. Never heard that before. What ever happened to my 500 feet of airspace?!

Sorry to be boring Axxxe. I'll try and think of a good adventure for you. :)

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Well, you all know of my work at UofMiss. Soon after I liberated the G-13 and began cloning it, ran into Willie Nelson. We are old friends from way back. Willie loves G-13. It's one of his favorites. Well Willie wanted some clones and I, of course, never take $$$.

So I tell Willie, aren't you headed to Washington to play at the Carter Inaugural Ball? Well Willie wanted those clones so bad he decided to get me in the White House. The only requirement was to bring enough G-13 for everybody.

So me and Willie sneak up to the roof of the White House and are toking up a storm when suddenly we are busted by Jimmy! Even Willie was a little paranoid, but he just keeps on toking. "Hello, Jimmy" sez I, "Congratulations on your inauguration." Jimmy was really super cool and nice. He never said a word while we toked up, just kept talking about farming and such. It seems the Secret Service had told him we were up there and he came up to keep them off our backs. He's a really cool dude.

As far as I know, Willie and I are the only people to get high in the White House to this day.:D

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 05:41 PM
I find this a bit silly myself. I probably would never accept this as fact. I've had around 95% germ success rate. You are going to get the occassional duds that just dont pop.

And to call this an experiment would require you to maintain a control which I didn't see in this post, maybe I missed it; and your variable (germing by the moon) would tell you whether it gave you better success than the control. In addition to this you would probably have to germ a few hundred seeds (maybe more) to get an accurate reading.

If you think it works more power to you but you'll never catch me waiting for a full moon to germinate my seeds. :hippy:



I think I should not call this thread an advanced technique or even an experiment. If I look at the definition of the forum; I think if I have to call this thread anything... it would have to be an


etc.


:D


Thanks for stopping by, I really like your grow. I've been lurking! :thumbsup:

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 05:52 PM
I have no idea whether 'moon planting' has any benefits or not, but a lot of modern farmers still adhere to it, and the Farmer's Almanac still touts it ... OK, my point is, I am not on either side, I just plant whenever I feel like it, BUT, I think insulting someone over something that is regularly practiced, and harmless in every respect, is just rude and obnoxious ... just leave it the fuck alone, and stop arguing ... now, you kids go play nice :smokin:

Hee, Hee. Thanks for the giggle. LolaGal Waves White Flag on really long white stick.

Hey Rusty, can I have permission to use your handle in my novel? Can't pay you anything, but at least it would be an homage.
:D

Rusty Trichome
12-15-2008, 09:58 PM
Do I have a choice? :jointsmile:

LolaGal
12-15-2008, 10:03 PM
^Sure. I can use Rasty Tricorn or something if you mind. :)

axxxxe
12-15-2008, 10:40 PM
I thought it was Billy, Jimmies brother and it was in the Lincoln Bedroom if you move the bed to the left 3 inches and look under the headboard leg next to the phone you will see the initials wn and bc not enough room for were here!

DTRave420
12-15-2008, 10:47 PM
Moon germination is an interesting concept and fun as well...I guess I could dig some full moon germination with a couple of tokes and cold ones,lol...
On another note,I can show you a bunch of surfers and fisherman that have been chasin' the moon their whole adult lives...:jointsmile:

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 12:23 AM
Well, I didn't want to say how the evening ended, but Willie and I did end up in the Lincoln bedroom......now everyone knows Billy and I have the same initials. :) Willie is such a gentleman, always keeping my name out of it!

DTRave420
12-16-2008, 12:32 AM
Well, I didn't want to say how the evening ended, but Willie and I did end up in the Lincoln bedroom......now everyone knows Billy and I have the same initials. :) Willie is such a gentleman, always keeping my name out of it!

BRILLIANT!!! ROFLMAO!!!:S2:

If it was milk that went through my nose instead of this Heineken,I would've regressed to a 6 year old...:D

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 12:32 AM
Moon germination is an interesting concept and fun as well...I guess I could dig some full moon germination with a couple of tokes and cold ones,lol...
On another note,I can show you a bunch of surfers and fisherman that have been chasin' the moon their whole adult lives...:jointsmile:

Yes it is ALOT of fun. When you don't have a set schedule, it's easy to find dates that fit the plants needs. I don't mind waiting a few extra days to plant when it's optimal. I have noticed a big difference in rooting in the 2 plantings. My OrangeBud and Rhino are just not doing anything much.

I still can't believe all the NLHaze babies are GIRLS! I feel like a proud mamma [LolaGal passes out cigars to all.] If this keeps up, I may have to give some up for adoption.

DTRave420
12-16-2008, 12:35 AM
Yes it is ALOT of fun. When you don't have a set schedule, it's easy to find dates that fit the plants needs. I don't mind waiting a few extra days to plant when it's optimal. I have noticed a big difference in rooting in the 2 plantings. My OrangeBud and Rhino are just not doing anything much.

I still can't believe all the NLHaze babies are GIRLS! I feel like a proud mamma [LolaGal passes out cigars to all.] If this keeps up, I may have to give some up for adoption.

Rootin' 4 ya lady...:jointsmile:

Rock.Steady
12-16-2008, 12:45 AM
I tried to throw a distraction a while ago and then watched all this.
I just cant hold my breath any longer.
since this has become the opinion thread, i'll throw mine in too.

im an intelligent, analytical individual who also embraces my curiosity and tries to keep a somewhat open mind.

the fact that the farmers almanac notes moon phases should be plenty of legitimacy for anyone.
Do I believe the moon causes the water tables to rise or fall and benefit the outdoor crop farmer? Yes, no doubt, and surely the genesis of this method.

Do I believe this method has any effect on indoor cultivation? No, None, Zero.

Do I believe the Earth and cosmos above have more metaphysical energy than we currently understand? Likely so.
I also occassionally read my horoscope, but don't conduct my day based upon what I read either.

Was I entertained by the carefree and whimsical attitude of our hostess to this thread? Yes, definately.

What I found disturbing was the way she was berated, insulted and treated poorly.
She stated the Mods moved the thread here. Go piss on the Mods parade if it bugs ya so much.

You obviously have so much more important work ahead of you,,,

I'll gladly return my efforts to helping others thru the rough spots.
why dont you just go focus your efforts on saving the growers of the world?

just an observation, but, from my perception, you are either a crusty old fart who's been passed over for too many promotions you felt entitled to, or, a home-schooled book-smart know-it-all who hasn't been in a real fight yet.

either way, the only proof I've seen in this thread is that you need your ego stroked daily, and will pick on girls if necessary to feel superior.
it was proven through your actions and choice wording, not statistical data.

wanna impress someone? Disprove the theory. Anyone can offer a strong conflicting debate, especially from behind a computer.

why dont you go pick on someone your own size.:wtf:

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 12:55 AM
Did anyone notice my earlier post about the bear in the air?

I've never heard such a loud, weird noise coming from a helicopter before. I heard it about 1/2 mile away, inside my house.?! Anybody else heard anything like that? I would describe it as a loud, humming roar. It was not the rotors. It scraped the roof going by. I'm thinking of getting a kite. :)

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 01:01 AM
LOLAGAL LOVES ROCK STEADY!

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 01:31 AM
Tried to edit this in last post, but I am too slow....

Rock.Steady gets a Big Kiss from LolaGal, (who looks a lot like Xena, Warrior Princess, with her long brown hair and beautiful ocean blue eyes)...

The White Flag has been flown, let's give peace a chance........I don't want my thread shut down with arguing, I should not have let anyone get my temper riled. It's that daggum Dalton Blood in my veins.......

I did tell ya'll that my Great Granny Dalton was kin to the bank robbing Daltons of the 1800s.? :) I can hardly go in a bank without the genetic urges taking over! :) I do all my banking at the ATM just to be safe..........(I seem to be the only one in the family who is proud of them) My occupational hazard is, my occupation's not around.........should've been a pirate.

Rock.Steady
12-16-2008, 04:18 AM
Did anyone notice my earlier post about the bear in the air?

I've never heard such a loud, weird noise coming from a helicopter before. I heard it about 1/2 mile away, inside my house.?! Anybody else heard anything like that? I would describe it as a loud, humming roar. It was not the rotors. It scraped the roof going by. I'm thinking of getting a kite. :)

yes,
when i lived in long beach ca (da L-B-C), my place would get buzzed by the 'ghetto-birds' almost nightly. they swept the whole city constantly.
the buzz you heard may have been the turbo-like jet-assist some of these newer, faster birds have.

diggin the Xena vision. I always had a thing for brunettes with the light eyes. How'd you know???

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:20 AM
Just stating the facts.......I even have this cool Xena costume I made for Halloween.:)

I guess that is what that weird helicopter noise must have been. I live not too far from an Army base (101st Airborne).

Come by and see me anytime. :)

Rusty Trichome
12-16-2008, 02:16 PM
I tried to throw a distraction a while ago and then watched all this.
I just cant hold my breath any longer.
since this has become the opinion thread, i'll throw mine in too.
Actually, since you butted-in...this started-out as a mislabeled opinion thread, in the wrong forum.


im an intelligent, analytical individual who also embraces my curiosity and tries to keep a somewhat open mind. Debatable.


the fact that the farmers almanac notes moon phases should be plenty of legitimacy for anyone.
Yeah...some folks live-n-die by horoscopes, crystals, taro and Chris Matthews. Guess that makes them all correct, and disbelievers are what...fools?


Do I believe the moon causes the water tables to rise or fall and benefit the outdoor crop farmer? Yes, no doubt, and surely the genesis of this method.
I also occassionally read my horoscope, but don't conduct my day based upon what I read either.
Do I care what you believe...? Again, doubtful. But this time I'm doubtful of your veracity. You read this thread, and decided to conduct your mornings business...getting into mine.


What I found disturbing was the way she was berated, insulted and treated poorly.
Tis the way I usually treat all charlatans.
What I find disturbing is the way you jump-in head first, without fact or reason. Last I had read, thread was dying-out, the Mod had had enough, and all was settling back down. I'm confident Lola can take care of herself.


She stated the Mods moved the thread here. Go piss on the Mods parade if it bugs ya so much.
This thread, and the companion thread was never moved. (there is no "moved" tag attached) Did you even check to see if what she spouts was true? (obviously not)


just an observation, but, from my perception, you are either a crusty old fart who's been passed over for too many promotions you felt entitled to, or, a home-schooled book-smart know-it-all who hasn't been in a real fight yet.
either way, the only proof I've seen in this thread is that you need your ego stroked daily, and will pick on girls if necessary to feel superior.
it was proven through your actions and choice wording, not statistical data. :wtf: So you don't believe that a women (supposed to be adult according to site rules) can properly defend themselves from such a big strong abusive...typist...?
Alas, you think you have my life all figured-out. But seeing as how you've gotten everything else in this post wrong, I'm not surprised at all that your self righteousness, self-importance prevents you from minding your own business, 'eh? Altho insults are fun and profitable, you just aren't getting your point across. Perhaps some more half-brained insults and intelligence-free comments would make you feel better, lol.


wanna impress someone? Disprove the theory.I offer proof every time I plant seeds off-cycle. Here's an idea...you prove her "technique" for her. You are obviously so strong and wise, I'm sure she would appreciate the big man (again questionable) coming to the aid of the poor intellectually dysfunctional and defenseless Lola. Moronic.

Anyone can offer a strong conflicting debate, especially from behind a computer. Not necessarily true...but with a little work and dilligence, you'll get the hang of it. :jointsmile:


why dont you go pick on someone your own size.:wtf: Seriously...WTF do you think you can do about it? I'm out here willing to take the hits challenging a fable. You take a chance on nothing, and offered nothing new to the already dead discussion. Don't like my approach...? Bummer. I've been working soooo hard for the past few years trying to impress you. Would be devastating if I failed.

daihashi
12-16-2008, 02:32 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for proof when someone tries to pass something off as fact. I also don't think there is anything wrong for asking for a control when that person then says it's an experiment. I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out these 2 things when the person refuses to acknowledge that they could be wrong without any credible evidence to back them.

Rusty might have come across as brash but I feel his intentions were good.

FYI; I'm tired about hearing of the Farmers Almanac. The farmers Almanac is not the end all debate stopper. As a matter of fact 1/3 - 1/2 of the things in the almanac are just ridiculous or plain wrong. Personally when trying to back someone up I wouldn't source a reference that is known to contain as much bad information as it does good.

Horticulture/agriculture is a science. Let's practice good science and not hoodoo voodoo.

Dutch Pimp
12-16-2008, 02:57 PM
I see a Bad Moon rising.

Rusty Trichome
12-16-2008, 03:05 PM
I see a Bad Moon rising.
Lol...Too funny. :jointsmile:

daihashi
12-16-2008, 04:01 PM
I see a Bad Moon rising.

is that G'mork from the never ending story?

Weedhound
12-16-2008, 04:08 PM
Well I'm missing why the passion Rusty.....there's something personal going on here because you really DO seem just to want to continue arguing. Lets just assume you won, shall we? Lola is wrong, let's stone her to death, and for god sake anybody who says something like "24 darkness improves potency" let's get out there and damn well rip their ears off. They can't prove it.....how DARE they post???

I'm completely missing the "fact-finding" of your "mission" Rusty but am having no trouble at all feeling your hostile vibes here.

Dutch Pimp
12-16-2008, 04:11 PM
is that G'mork from the never ending story?


American Werewolf in London.

"What ...we have here...is failure...to comunicate."...and we are skating on thin ice.

Dutch Pimp
12-16-2008, 04:27 PM
We have'nt had this much fun in Advanced Techniques, since...http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/58023-big-buds.html

Weedhound
12-16-2008, 05:09 PM
Well I remember several threads (not by Lola) with questions like 12/12 from seed? in the advanced techniques sections (please!!!!!!!) and no one does anything about it so I'm just struggling with why this one particular thing is raising such a fuss.

Weedhound
12-16-2008, 05:16 PM
Take a quick glance down this forum.....24 hours darkness, 12/12 from seed, how to cure bud. I consider NONE of these in any way 'advanced techniques" but there they all are. Maybe exactly HALF are truly "advanced" in either the technique or the question so if you're going after that type of thing Rusty, do it for the ENTIRE forum not just this one technique.

THEN perhaps the words "advanced techniques" will actually mean something.

Lola, sorry to rant on your thread. Like your grow and will stay out of arguements from here on in, my thoughts being already stated.

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:19 PM
I actually use a publication called Llewellyn's Moon Sign Book. It is similar to the Farmer's Almanac, but more accurate.

I would love to conduct experiments properly, but lack the funds to sprout 10,000 seeds at once, and what a waste of seeds.

I would hope that anyone who is sick of Moon Signs would stop reading these posts. I could've sworn I posted the first thread in basic growing and it was moved to Advanced Techniques, but I am STONED a lot of the time. BFD. I think this is where a thread about any experimental technique should go anyway.

In the meantime, I am just having a lot of fun with my friends. I thank them all for their kind words. Anybody can butt in here anytime they want. Let's just have fun. These boards are big enough for everyone's opinions. Please stop the name-calling and hostile comments. No one enjoys it when they are the one being made fun of.

I just had 3 girls sexed and would much rather talk about how happy I am. :D

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:32 PM
Take a quick glance down this forum.....24 hours darkness, 12/12 from seed, how to cure bud. I consider NONE of these in any way 'advanced techniques" but there they all are. Maybe exactly HALF are truly "advanced" in either the technique or the question so if you're going after that type of thing Rusty, do it for the ENTIRE forum not just this one technique.

THEN perhaps the words "advanced techniques" will actually mean something.

Lola, sorry to rant on your thread. Like your grow and will stay out of arguements from here on in, my thoughts being already stated.

LolaGal loves Weedhound, & Dutch & Rock & DTR & Axxxxe & Image Reaper. LolaGal gives them all a big Kiss. Hope I didn't leave anybody out! I'm so glad to have met all of ya'll. Ya'll are the best!

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:35 PM
Dutch slipped me a little tongue when I kissed him......ooooh Dutch.:)

Rusty Trichome
12-16-2008, 05:41 PM
Well I'm missing why the passion Rusty.....there's something personal going on here because you really DO seem just to want to continue arguing. Lets just assume you won, shall we? Lola is wrong, let's stone her to death, and for god sake anybody who says something like "24 darkness improves potency" let's get out there and damn well rip their ears off. They can't prove it.....how DARE they post???

I'm completely missing the "fact-finding" of your "mission" Rusty but am having no trouble at all feeling your hostile vibes here.
...
This was my original post regarding this subject:

This subject comes up a few times per year, at least. Nobody has ever posted results confirming or debunking this. However, since using sound germination techniques produce a predictable result no matter what time of year I plant, I find it rather doubtful that it matters at all.

Your post shows you believe the farmers had a 'secret' to planting. I am not saying you are wrong to see it from that perspective, but that there just may be an alternative explination behind the reasoning for this technique. I believe that back in the early days not all farmers had calendars, but by watching moon cycles and weather over the years found a good method of "starting" their season to assure seasonal weather or market deadlines were met, no matter what region of the country you were farming in. :thumbsup:

And after trying to get the OP to post a link or show us her proof, it devolved into this:


I originally posted my first gardening by the moon tip in Basic growing forum, but someone moved it to advanced techniques, so I assumed that is where it belonged:)

Rusty: Yes there have been studies done by scientists to prove this works
Since both claims were apparently false, (no "moved" tag on the post, and like many others before me, I have scoured the internet looking for proof of this technique's validity, and found none) plus all the other claims she offered that were getting more and more far fetched...was simply trying to get her to put her money where her mouth is.
Like I stated over and over again...the technique is benign at worst. No problems will likely result from attempting it. The big problem I have is someone coming in here and passing fiction off as fact. Period. If you choose to replace sound plant biology with folklore, you should at the very least be informed of it's unproven status, instead of being told it's fact. After all, this isn't cannabistales.com.

Those that wish to get personnal can and should expect the same in return. I know I do. The difference is, I try not to cry about it too much. Matter of fact, Lola's story about ripping-off G-13 made me chuckle. I guess if you wish to see my approach as hostile, that's your prerogative. But if you were to sit-back and look at the techniques we use today, they were evolved through intimate discussion, proof of ones claims, biology, and results. This now forms our knowlege base. Not ethereal and unproven concepts.

And regardless...if you make claims, you damn well better be able to support them. Tiz the nature of the Advanced growing forum.

Lola, as I stated before...good luck with your experiments.

Dutch Pimp
12-16-2008, 05:42 PM
:thumbsup:

Weedhound
12-16-2008, 05:45 PM
So I guess the ear-ripping is out.....darn......:( :D

Rusty Trichome
12-16-2008, 05:47 PM
So I guess the ear-ripping is out......:( :D

Not necessarily. I'll find another cause, lol. :jointsmile:

daihashi
12-16-2008, 05:54 PM
I actually use a publication called Llewellyn's Moon Sign Book. It is similar to the Farmer's Almanac, but more accurate.

does it list the scientific reason as to why planting according to the moon works? I am truely curious why if there is a legitimate explanation to prove this.



I would love to conduct experiments properly, but lack the funds to sprout 10,000 seeds at once, and what a waste of seeds.

It doesn't take tons of money to come up with seeds. Save all your bag seeds. Or grow a few female plants and hermie them very badly. You might not hit 10,000 but youll get a couple of thousand. This should be more than adequate to perform a preliminary experiment over the course of several moon cycles. Doing this multiple times in contrast to a control could prove that planting by the moon is indeed better (although I'm highly skeptical). Money doesn't seem like a factor here to me; but again that's me.



I would hope that anyone who is sick of Moon Signs would stop reading these posts. I could've sworn I posted the first thread in basic growing and it was moved to Advanced Techniques, but I am STONED a lot of the time. BFD. I think this is where a thread about any experimental technique should go anyway.

I take advanced techniques to mean.. proven techniques that are beyond a beginners initial capabilities. Experiments are ideas. With that said I agree that discussing ideas here is great but don't be surprised if you're met with responses like this if it just sounds silly. People here want evidence for the most part. This thread isn't the first to get attacked for this.


In the meantime, I am just having a lot of fun with my friends. I thank them all for their kind words. Anybody can butt in here anytime they want. Let's just have fun. These boards are big enough for everyone's opinions. Please stop the name-calling and hostile comments. No one enjoys it when they are the one being made fun of.

eh; I noticed that you named people who came to your immediate aid and 'sided' with you. While those are great assets to have in friends keep the opposite in mind also. A person who can point out what others won't is someone worth having in your life. There's no sense in strolling through life when everyone is on your side. Your perception of how the world is will be severely skewed this way.


I just had 3 girls sexed and would much rather talk about how happy I am. :D

Congrats!!! Girls are always worth being happy about

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:55 PM
:thumbsup:

Damn you are hot dutch. Love that look. Let's go out behind the barn;)

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 05:59 PM
I love you too daihashi. Here's a big Kiss for you. MMMMMMMmmmm. It's like one of those Oscar speeches, always forget somebody.

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 11:36 PM
PROBLEMS IN WONDERLAND:

I am used to raising plants in 80+ humidity, in and out. First winter indoor grow.

NLHaze Girls:
I noticed some edge curling on leaves, but thought it was due to temps in 75-78 range and humidity at 30% levels. Now problem is more pronounced, so I thought probably Mag deficiency. Treated 24 hours ago with no visible improvement. I did use low dose of the dreaded Epsom Salts. Tested soil runoff ph of 6.2, which is what H20 tests after adjustment.

Problem with mold this grow, so have been keeping humidity levels under 40% without doing anything.

Do ya'll think it's low humidity or Mag def? Damn Kodak camera won't work (don't buy one) or I'd show ya'll what I mean. Although color is few shades lighter green on newer leaves, no yellowing or brown edges etc.

Using that crappy standard Miracle Grow Potting soil, which I will never use again. Just don't want to drive to Nashville for soil, etc., can't find any good soil at WalMart etc.


Anyway the cursed, Dec 4 planting (which was accidentally transplanted in BARREN sign of the moon) is finally showing signs of growth. They have a few roots poking out now seeking the bottom of their cups. Still only have 1 set of true leaves. Poor things. All are Nirvana strains.......and raised in similar manner.

The NLHaze girls smell so good. I rubbed a fan leaf to see if they were crunchy (not), and oh the wonderful aromas....I may have to put some under my pillow.:)

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips. :) Thanks for stopping by the Moon Grow :)

daihashi
12-16-2008, 11:44 PM
PROBLEMS IN WONDERLAND:

I am used to raising plants in 80+ humidity, in and out. First winter indoor grow.

NLHaze Girls:
I noticed some edge curling on leaves, but thought it was due to temps in 75-78 range and humidity at 30% levels. Now problem is more pronounced, so I thought probably Mag deficiency. Treated 24 hours ago with no visible improvement. I did use low dose of the dreaded Epsom Salts. Tested soil runoff ph of 6.2, which is what H20 tests after adjustment.

Problem with mold this grow, so have been keeping humidity levels under 40% without doing anything.

Do ya'll think it's low humidity or Mag def? Damn Kodak camera won't work (don't buy one) or I'd show ya'll what I mean. Although color is few shades lighter green on newer leaves, no yellowing or brown edges etc.

Using that crappy standard Miracle Grow Potting soil, which I will never use again. Just don't want to drive to Nashville for soil, etc., can't find any good soil at WalMart etc.


Anyway the cursed, Dec 4 planting (which was accidentally transplanted in BARREN sign of the moon) is finally showing signs of growth. They have a few roots poking out now seeking the bottom of their cups. Still only have 1 set of true leaves. Poor things. All are Nirvana strains.......and raised in similar manner.

The NLHaze girls smell so good. I rubbed a fan leaf to see if they were crunchy (not), and oh the wonderful aromas....I may have to put some under my pillow.:)

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips. :) Thanks for stopping by the Moon Grow :)

Flush your plants ASAP 5x the volume of the pot or more. Follow your flush with a light feeding of nutrient solution mixed at 1/4 strength. You have one of the following conditions probably:

Soil is too hot for young plants
Soil has too much salt in it
Your epsom salt may have worsened the condition
PH range is a bit too low (6.2 is your current.. you want to actually be about 6.5.... PH range for soil is 6.3 - 6.8... yes that extra .1 matters).

Flush your plants really well and allow them to dry out decently before watering again.

Really to get a full picture we need you to fill out the troubleshooting form and pics help tremendously if you can provide them.

LolaGal
12-16-2008, 11:53 PM
OK, thanks dai. They aren't curling down, curling up just a smidge around the edges. You don't think it's humidity low?

Rock.Steady
12-17-2008, 12:35 AM
Daihashi-
if she is using MG soil, i would caution strongly about adding ANY nutes at this time. Definately flush, but, i would then give them a day or 2 to show how they feel. prolly dont really need nutes for a month.
After draining last flush, I would water with PH-corrected water and let drain well.
that MG stuff is Nutrient rich. I know, I use it.
I usually flush mine before use and cut with perlite and plain potting soil.

And I believe the upwards leaf curl is usually indicative of too much heat. is it not?

Lola, do you have a fan moving the air around? if not, get a small oscillating fan in there on low.

get pics, we need to see what you see.

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 12:46 AM
That's what I'm thinkin too Rock, too hot. I've been pushing temps and low humidity due to the mold trying to grow on top of soil.

I did use 1/3 perlite to the MG soil. Sorry, I want to Post Pics Badly. No camera that works, right now.

I just gave them about 1/8 teaspoon of Epsom to 1 gallon. Hadn't watered for about 4 days prior. Didn't even use 1/2 gallon of water let most run off when watered. I ususally tend to get Mag def. with the MG soil near start of grow.

Their roots are BUSTING, I can see dimly through the grow bags! I have em in about 2 quarts of soil each. New leaves look fine, just smidge of curling on edges of older leaves.

Thanks for the input, want to get a few opinions before deciding what to do. I know it would be great if you could see them.......sorry. I won't hold anyone responsible for diagnosing in the dark.:)


EDIT: Forgot to tell ya'll, I have 2 fans going and it's a 400 MH lite. Temps cool, so I have had light pretty close, but not hot on plants. Humidity 30%, 29%

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 02:04 AM
Lol...Too funny. :jointsmile:

I even laughed the 2nd time I read it..................Dutch that was a good one. :D

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 02:41 AM
I do not want to seem arguementative or anything, just thought I'd try and answer a few questions I've been asked. So here goes...one of the reasons I haven't done this sooner, boring to retype stats. I have to do it all day long at work!

The Llewellyn's Moon Sign Book has been published since 1905. The Moon Sign Book uses the tropical zodiac. The Farmer's Almanac uses the sidereal zodiac. This can mean the difference between planting in a Barren or Fruitful sign. This is the reason a lot of people have tried gardening by the moon and could not see a difference when they tried it.

Some scientists that are credited with research on this subject are: Camille Flammarian, the French astronomer; Dr. Clark Timmins (one of the few modern scientists to have conducted tests in Moon Planting).

His experiments included the following:

Beets: When sown in fruitful sign of Scorpio germ rate 71% vs. 58% barren control.

Scotch Marigold: 90% vs. 32%

Carrots: 64% vs. 47%

Tomatoes: 90% vs. 58%

Two things should be emphasized. First, remember that this is only a summary of the results of the experiments; the experiments themselves were conducted in a scientific manner to eliminate any variation in soil, temperature, moisture, and so on, so that only the Moon sign varied. Second, note that these astonishing results were obtained without regard to the phase of the moon--the other factor we use in moon planting, and which presumably would have increased the differential in germination rates.

Dr. Timmins also tried transplanting Cancer and Leo planted tomato seedlings while the Cancer Moon was waxing. The result was 100 % survival. When transplanting was done with the waning Sagittarius Moon, there was 0% survival.

Dr. Timmins' tests show that the Cancer planted tomatoes had blossoms 12 days earlier than those planted under Leo; the Cancer planted tomatoes had an average height of 20 inches as compared to 15 inches planted in barren sign.


I seriously don't want to change anyone's minds, just answering questions.
:D I have read more of his experiments, but surely this is enough for the moment. Have fun researching!

Dutch Pimp
12-17-2008, 02:43 AM
I would raise the light or offset the plants some; under that 400MH light. The UV rays from MH can be tuff on seedlings.

Different reflectors, beam light, differently.

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 03:00 AM
Thanks Dutch, I did notice couple of tiny hot spots from light reflection on one leaf. I hope I ain't cookin em slowly at 78 degrees.......Man this is the best smell in the world. I just hover and sniff! Shaded under leaves look fine. Finally got my Radio Shack pocket microscope working. Thanks again. I guess it would be cheaper to go to Nashville and get supplies than order through mail. Any suggestions?

Dutch Pimp
12-17-2008, 03:20 AM
I prefer to make what I get locally; work.

:)...http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/163551-moisture-control-miracle-grow.html

Rock.Steady
12-17-2008, 04:23 AM
I'm out here willing to take the hits challenging a fable. You take a chance on nothing, and offered nothing new


ok, fair enough.
I accept your challenge Sir, and offer this from my brief search of the internet.

Ohio State University Extension brief on planting by the lunar phases (http://guernsey.osu.edu/master-gardeners/planting-by-the-signs)
an excerpt-
"Dr. Frank Brown of Northwestern University performed research over a ten year period. His findings were plants absorbed more water at the time of the Full Moon. He conducted his experiments in a laboratory without direct contact with the moon, yet he still found that the plants were influenced by the phase."

I admit this is about a growing plant, not a seed, yet references a study in the relationship of lunar phases as directly related to plants activities.

the majority of research I found available online directly referencing Dr. Brown's work is primarily focused on lunar effects on oysters. One of his many studies.

I would wonder if O.S.U. is willing to reference this Professor's work in a publication, if it were a bunch of voodoo?

There is also some study info online about New Zealand Iwi tribes who farm by a lunar calendar for 100's of years.

I also found this-
(from The Lunar Garden: Planting by the Moon Phases by E. A. Crawford)
an excerpt-
"Why the Moon Phase System Works

The time at which a seed is sown is the beginning of its life cycle. Final plant yield, as every gardener knows, is crucially affected by the conditions encountered by the seed....

The person most responsible for formal experimentation in this area is Maria Thun, whose research on her farm in Darmstadt, Germany, has been financially supported by a group of biodynamic farmers.

In 1952, Thun developed a method of sowing a fixed number of crop rows over a sidereal month. The term sidereal refers to the position of the moon in relationship to the stars or constellations in the sky behind it. In other words, Maria Thun sowed according to varying phases of the lunar cycle. Once the crop came to maturity, it was weighed and studied, and the results were recorded. Thun's findings were accumulated over a ten-year period from 1952 to 1962. The crop Thun chose to study initially was potatoes; subsequently she studied not only other root crops but also leaf crops, fruit-bearers and flowers.

Thun's results were surprising. She discovered that if potatoes were planted when the moon was in the constellations of Taurus, Capricorn or Virgo (traditionally termed "root days"), the crop was more prolific than if she planted when the moon was positioned in other constellations of the zodiac belt. After some thought, she concluded that potatoes did better if planted while the moon was clearly positioned in earth signs than at any other time. Potato crops planted when the moon was positioned in the constellations Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces--the water signs of the zodiac--did poorly.

The results of Thun's studies fascinated another experimenter in Germany. Graf repeated her method from 1973 to 1975, this time using many different types of soils, and planting radishes as well as potatoes. Graf discovered that sowing on root days affected positively the growth and production of crops, and got best result when using chemically untreated, organic soils.

In 1976, Kollerstrom and Muntz, Sussex market gardeners, repeated the experiments of Graf and Thun and gained a 45% increase in yield for crops sown on root days. Conducted over a period of two months, their study did not show that the phase of the moon, waxing or waning, made as much difference as the moon's placement in the sky at the time of sowing.

The effect of the phases of the moon on seed germination and growth was first studied by L. Kolisko in 1930. Using wheat, Kolisko found that seeds germinated faster and more prolifically when sown at the full moon. The new moon gave him the most unsuccessful results. Later experiments on cress confirmed Kolisko's findings. Recent studies at Northwestern University, conducted by Professor F. Brown, have shown that, even under equal temperatures, seedlings absorb more water at the full moon than at the new moon. The findings lend credibility to adages that recommend harvesting at full moon. It seems plants have less water content at the new moon phase. Professor Brown went so far as to test plants in a darkened laboratory where they would have no direct access to effects of sun or moon. The plants still responded to the moon phases.

Other experiments have been conducted at Wichita State University and at Tulane University. All have achieved the same results. Experimentation indicates that seeds sown just before or around the full moon have a higher rate and speed of germination than those sown at the new moon because seeds are able to absorb more water at the full moon...."

Planting By the Moon , Bibliography, with too many references to list here. (http://www.considera.org/help/help2000.htm)

I found these in a couple hrs, without a super-computer. maybe you didn't use the best search terms?

Do these sound like references to fable and folklore?
Multiple studies going back to 1930, conducted by private individuals, public organizations, and universities.


I, sir, will also come out swinging if challenged;)
I really hope you don't make me mail away and request all the statistical data,,,ok, that was sarcastic. wanna call it a draw?:jointsmile:

daihashi
12-17-2008, 05:01 AM
That's what I'm thinkin too Rock, too hot. I've been pushing temps and low humidity due to the mold trying to grow on top of soil.

I did use 1/3 perlite to the MG soil. Sorry, I want to Post Pics Badly. No camera that works, right now.

I just gave them about 1/8 teaspoon of Epsom to 1 gallon. Hadn't watered for about 4 days prior. Didn't even use 1/2 gallon of water let most run off when watered. I ususally tend to get Mag def. with the MG soil near start of grow.

Their roots are BUSTING, I can see dimly through the grow bags! I have em in about 2 quarts of soil each. New leaves look fine, just smidge of curling on edges of older leaves.

Thanks for the input, want to get a few opinions before deciding what to do. I know it would be great if you could see them.......sorry. I won't hold anyone responsible for diagnosing in the dark.:)


EDIT: Forgot to tell ya'll, I have 2 fans going and it's a 400 MH lite. Temps cool, so I have had light pretty close, but not hot on plants. Humidity 30%, 29%

I really don't understand how you're getting MG deficiency. MG does not have any Calcium leaching properties (like coco) that would effect Magnesium uptake or vice versa. In addition to this if you are using tap water Magnesium should also not be an issue. Feeding with epsom salt is just going to aggrevate a problem.

In regards to curling up or down. When your plants are being burned by nutrient rich soil when they are too young they will curl up.. curl down.. they will even curl in spirals. It doesn't matter.

What are your temperatures in your grow area. Do you have a thermometer at the canopy? You mentioned 78 degrees in a later post. Even with hot spots you would have to have a hot spot about 10-12 degrees above that in order to induce leaf curling.

You're also growing in grow bags. From the LITTLE that you have posted about your actual problem I would have to say it is something effecting the plant at the root level. Whether it be PH, soil mixture is too hot, or that your roots are being disturbed when their bags are moved.

I also believe your humidity is fine but it is worth mentioning that low humidity can lead to higher transpiration rates and this can also induce some leaf curling or something that looks similar. Your humidity is not low enough to consider that though.

And rock steady.. I was unaware of how old her plants are. The 1/4 strength dose only applies to plants old enough (typically 3 weeks old and older.)

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 05:57 AM
HooWhee....Rock and I are busy beavers! That ought to be enough scientific data to last a while.;) Good job researching Rock! Thanks for the informative, and well written post!

I took your advice, Dutch and bumped the girls a little toward the back of the light footprint. The one gal that was in the back had little or no signs of curl.

If they aren't better in morning, I will continue with the other advice. Thanks all for the advice everybody. I'll try to keep that pH at 6.5.

My pH tester, aquarium, craps out at 7.6. When I test the tapwater, that is it's pH 7.6. Isn't that a little high for tap water?


SIDE NOTE: I too, have been seeing wild rooting in the Nov 16 planting, which was planted in good rooting signs and phases of the moon.. the trend continues!:thumbsup:

Dutch Pimp
12-17-2008, 03:24 PM
I took your advice, Dutch and bumped the girls a little toward the back of the light footprint. The one gal that was in the back had little or no signs of curl.

If they aren't better in morning, I will continue with the other advice. Thanks all for the advice everybody. I'll try to keep that pH at 6.5.



once a leaf is curled ...it generally stays curled...IMO. Don't sweat the small stuff....watch, the NEW growth.

(ignore, the red stripe)...I like 6.7 soil ph...:thumbsup:...6.5 might be better?

Dutch Pimp
12-17-2008, 04:14 PM
:)....NASA - Biggest Full Moon of the Year (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/09dec_fullmoon.htm)

Weedhound
12-17-2008, 04:55 PM
Lola, a photo would REALLY REALLY REALLY help. i'll even take a cell phone photo but I would guess ph issues over a true "deficiency" of anything just based on odds themselves. I don't use MG, however, which is why I'd love to see a photo.

Weedhound
12-17-2008, 05:07 PM
And Ps.....too low a humidity is starting to get somewhere in 20s imo.....and then usually presents as a k def, due to, lol, low humidity. I keep mine in the 30''s religously to avoid mold problems.

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 05:42 PM
Thanks ya'll. :thumbsup:

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 09:24 PM
Thanks Stinky for the new title you picked. I like it. I appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

GoldenGraham84
12-17-2008, 09:49 PM
ooh look at your fancy title change. lucky!

JD1stTimer
12-17-2008, 11:01 PM
Good thread. I don't actually believe in moon phases changing plant behavior but I think it is a good thread for advanced techniques. If someone wants to plant according to the moon I think this information will be helpful. I'm considering germinating five seeds at a time every day, from the same bag, plotting height weekly and number of days till alternating nodes, tracking cuttings, days till flowering etc. I'm not sure when I can start, but this might be a good time as I have no housemate and one of my jobs is closed for the next two weeks.

JD1stTimer
12-17-2008, 11:18 PM
^ I wanted to add some more, but the time ran out for editing.


I think advanced techniques is a good place for this information. It's useful to the people who want to use it, but I wouldn't want any beginners thinking about anything but plant spacing and depth, lighting, cutting, sexing, and flowering. I know with my first grow trying to look at lunar calendars would have been completely overwhelming. Something doesn't have to be proven scientifically to be useful, if only to make things more entertaining. Gardening should be about FUN, especially growing the herb! If I made a post saying that I put a resin frog under every plant to ward off whiteflies, and my whiteflies disappeared, it would certainly not damage any grower who wanted to use it as an adjunct to neem. If it just made you feel better and more optimistic about your grow it would be useful even if it doesn't affect the plants!

I know that plants and animals respond to human cues, I have seen plants following a cycle with me as I went through an illness. Maybe it was because I didn't take care of them the same way (I think I treated them the same, but I'm not sure), but they definitely showed decreased vigor while I was sick. It could have been that I was throwing pathogenic germs around and the plants were using their energy to fight them off. Could have been just random.

I also look at zodiac charts for amusement. I personally don't think they're worth a pile of beans, but sometimes it's fun when some aspect of your day mimics the chart. It's like getting a bonus somehow, even though I know it's not really connected.

Anyway, I support having this is in the advanced techniques. I think it qualifies as accurate (There's not much argument over what sign and phase the moon are in), useful, and not for beginners.

LolaGal
12-17-2008, 11:27 PM
Thanks JD! I will be updating regularly. In one of the pages are some times for good planting, etc., left in December.



Thanks to everyone who has stopped by!

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 12:12 AM
ooh look at your fancy title change. lucky!

Yes, I find it pays to ask nicely and politely! :D Did you read all of Rock's and my scientific findings? What did you think?:thumbsup:

Rock.Steady
12-18-2008, 12:32 AM
Yes, I find it pays to ask nicely and politely! :D

Stinky's the Best!:D

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 02:12 AM
Hello to all my friends in WonderLand!

I've been online, on the phone, etc. with KODAK all day about this piece of crap digital camera.....the lovely Kodak EasyShare CX4300. Turns out they will give me 15% discount towards the purchase of a new camera, if I send in the unwarranted one I own.:wtf: So I guess I get to keep a camera that does not work or buy more Kodak stuff....hmmm what to do?



The Cancer planted NLHaze babies are doing about the same today since moving further out of the light footprint. I've only moved the bags once so far. Canopy temps 78, Humidity 30%.

Their roots are visibly larger daily due to correct moon sign planting. I wager one week till transplant to pot.

The leaves are same regarding edge curl up. However, I am beginning to wonder about the lime leaf coloring. I do believe a see a Mag deficiency early stages. Slightest chlorosis noted today. No new leaf curl noted. I'll give it another day to consider options.

Wish I had a camera of some sort other than 35 mm. Even went to borrow one with disastrous results:)



Thanks in advance for any help:jointsmile:

Dutch Pimp
12-18-2008, 02:26 AM
I bought a cheap ($79) Polaroid a801 8 megapixels, last xmas at K-mart. Works great for me.

My ex-wife said I was as tight as the bark on a tree; when it comes to money..:pimp:

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 02:35 AM
I bought a cheap ($79) Polaroid a801 8 megapixels, last xmas at K-mart. Works great for me.

My ex-wife said I was as tight as the bark on a tree; when it comes to money..:pimp:

That's what ALL ex-wives say........:D

I am so cross at Kodak, used that camera maybe 5 times. Sat it on a shelf under glass, babied it. Now the minute I want to use it damn thing won't work.

I want a Nikon SLR........drool drool....hope one falls off a truck in front of me! Hey Nikon, if you are reading, people will be amazed by my photos if you want to sponsor my thread.................

Just feels strange around here today though.....something different?

Weedhound
12-18-2008, 02:35 AM
I was not crazy about my Kodak easy share myself......I would not recommend another. I like my Canon......it cost about $100. Perhaps Santa will bless you for X-mas.

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 02:47 AM
LolaGal sings to tune of Elvis' Santa Bring My Baby Back To Me



I need a lot of presents,
To make-a my Christmas bright,
All I need For Christmas..
Is a bunch of new grow lights.....

OH SANTA, hear my plea,
Santa bring 2 grow lights to me.......

The tree is trimmed and ready
Christmas time is here,
I would like to have,
another six pack of beer...

OH SANTA, hear my plea,
Santa bring 2 grow light to me.......

Rock.Steady
12-18-2008, 03:23 AM
Just feels strange around here today though.....something different?

yeah, i know the feelin:wtf:;):D:smokin:


I like my Canon....
i remember someone somewhat impatiently freakin out a lil bit when they first got that camera. Ironically, I deleted the Cannon owners manual only a week or 2 ago while cleaning my hard drive.:wtf:


LolaGal sings to tune of Elvis' Santa Bring My Baby Back To Me
ok, just got off phone with my buddy in the 101st.
got the GPS coordinates, are you N,S,E, or West of the base?:cool:

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 03:29 AM
NNW

Rock.Steady
12-18-2008, 03:34 AM
i might need a roadtrip tween christmas n new years hmmm:wtf:

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 03:37 AM
When I was little the 101st would use barn for bomb runs. They'd break the sound barrier all the time, fly at 20 feet over tree tops and generally raise hell.

Now they refuel choppers mid air training over the farm:( I see gas spilling everywhere............can you get em to do that shit over their own land?;)

First time I went to an airshow I was sooooo bored. Ya ain't lived till a bomber dives over your head low enough to see the pilot laugh. Then they'd waggle their wings and zoom on....we're talking speed of sound is broken here.:D

Rock.Steady
12-18-2008, 03:46 AM
let me find out how far my friend's 'reach' is;)

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 05:49 AM
Decided to flush those girls. Used plain tap water with pH adjusted to 6.8. I kept checking the run off pH, bright yellow, bright yellow etc. I do think the runoff pH was lower than 6.0, just bad testing equip. Anyway, drowned poor things until I could get a runoff 6.4 pH. That's all I dare drown them tonite.

They seemed to like being in the tub. They started putting off wonderful aromas. Trying to flush in plastic grow bag a horrible idea. I hope I haven't wallowed their poor roots to death. Difficult to drain. They are still draining in the tub right now.

Another tragedy. Left door to grow room open and that darn cat of mine molested my plant Hope. Chewed one of her leaves right off and ate it. Now he's chillin' with strange contented look on his face. That Darn Cat!

I guess never noticed any problems with them because I had been using tap water that is over 7.6 out of the tap. When I started adjusting pH to correct or even low pH, then perhaps that is why symptoms started. Ph of soil was too low I guess. Didn't check pH of MG soil prior to using.

Thanks for dropping by!

Rusty Trichome
12-18-2008, 04:56 PM
I haven't been able to find it in your posts, but which zodiac do you currently use for your dates...the tropical zodiac, or the sidereal? (used to be in-synch a hundred years ago, but days apart now) Which one is more accurate for use as a planting guide, and why is that? How does this affect the cusp, and does this narrow the planting phase time window?

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 06:32 PM
I prefer the tropical zodiac as I think it is more accurate. Some people swear by the sidereal. Tropical zodiac is also referred to as geocentric system vs. heliocentric system used by Farmer's Almanac.

We are all living in the center of a vast electomagnetic field. Everything that occurs within this electromagnetic field has an effect on everything else within that field. The Moon and Sun are the most important of the factors affecting the life of the Earth.

C'mon Rusty, come over to the dark side........give it a try. It's fun.

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 06:54 PM
Flushed last night and after last post finally got a 6.6 - 6.8 range on soil runoff. Sure am glad I used all that perlite.

This morning the girls all look happy. Dare I say, slightest decrease in leaf edge curl? Kudos to WeedHound and Daihashi! I think it WAS a pH issue. After flushing they even smell stronger and better. Will observe and see.

Hope (my molested plant) is very angry at my cat right now. However, she seems none the worse for wear after being attacked and partially eaten!

The California Orange Bud and White Rhinos are finally doing a little something something. All have at least 3 sets of leaves, but accidentally planting in wrong sign caused them to stall badly, and they have not caught back up yet. Their roots are no where close to the 3rd quarter planted Haze girls. I definitely will be planting in 3rd quarter if I want lots of roots!


Stop by anytime! The girls and I love company! :jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome
12-18-2008, 08:23 PM
Ahhh. Last I heard, both zodiacs are off. Does one need to adjust the degrees on their own, or do you use one of the guides online? Do we all need to adjust degrees along latitudinal differences, or make any adjustments for latitudinal gradient differences? (the difference between where you are and star positions, or the difference in where the plants were evolved versus where they are now forced to grow)


We are all living in the center of a vast electomagnetic field. Everything that occurs within this electromagnetic field has an effect on everything else within that field. The Moon and Sun are the most important of the factors affecting the life of the Earth.
Am curious...how does the inconsistent (and cyclical) sunspot activity affect the earth's electromagnetism, yet not affect moon phase planting schedules? (as an aside) I wonder if the Northern Lights are affected by the moon phases?


C'mon Rusty, come over to the dark side........give it a try. It's fun.
Altho truly doubtful, I'll think about it.
(think, think, think)
(think, think, think)
(think, think, think, ouch)
Ok...I thought about it some more. (gave me a headache trying to justify bending to the peer pressure)
Thanks for the offer, but I'll stick with what's worked for terrestrial plants for the past 400 million years or so. (plant a seed, watch it grow)
However, if you could find the biological mechanism that would make this feasable, I'd likely be a tad more optimistic. :jointsmile:

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 08:51 PM
I let the people at Llewellyn's Moon Sign Book do all the hard work plotting, etc. I've been using it for 20 years or so.....My only bitch is they used to give advice on planting hemp..but now bow to public policy and no longer list hemp. Glad I kept the back issues.

I personally, can't explain HOW it works, I just know it works for me when I use it. Who can explain the mysteries of the MOON?? (Theme from Twilight Zone plays).

It is odd how plants respond to the moon, as well as corals, etc., and that plant may not even be planted outdoors.

Here's a question for you Rusty...right up your alley. You like to scuba, so do I. You have heard, I'm sure, about the sea stars eating up giant patches of the Australian Barrier Reef, leaving them dead and lifeless. Wonder why somebody doesn't go out the night the corals spawn en masse, bring some of the water filled with er...little corals...and pump the water back in the dead reef areas. Seems like it would work to me. What do you think? Will my idea save the Great Barrier Reef?

Rusty Trichome
12-18-2008, 10:30 PM
It is odd how plants respond to the moon, as well as corals, etc., and that plant may not even be planted outdoors.
Corals are classified as animals. (polyps) Granted, some keep plant-like creatures within their cells to collect, convert and share the energy from the sun. (a symbiotic relationship) Quite a shitload of 'em use the new moon as an indicator to them and their neighbors that if you want to procreate, tonite is the night. They also have the ability to adjust timng en masse if conditions are unfavorable, (storms, extreme temp fluctuations...) to the next new moon. (I believe it's the new moon...would have to double-check, tho)


Here's a question for you Rusty...right up your alley. You like to scuba, so do I. You have heard, I'm sure, about the sea stars eating up giant patches of the Australian Barrier Reef, leaving them dead and lifeless. Wonder why somebody doesn't go out the night the corals spawn en masse, bring some of the water filled with er...little corals...and pump the water back in the dead reef areas. Seems like it would work to me. What do you think? Will my idea save the Great Barrier Reef?
Likely, the best you can hope for at this time, is that the Crown of Thorns eats everything, (they only eat corals) and dies of hunger sometime down the line. This way, adult corals could be re-introduced by man, and multiply. Or perhaps some starfish birth control pills. It has been noted, tho...coral spawn can survive for years, floating around the worlds oceans, stuck in lightless/nutrient-free rock formations...waiting for ideal conditions to emerge and grow. They may be in danger now, but their outlook is far from bleak fatality.

Scientists are still trying to figure-out how to spawn corals in captivity on an industrial level. Right now, asexual reproduction is the only way the home reefer can multiply/share our stock. Like cloning a cannabis mom...cut off a piece, attach it to a piece of live rock, and let it grow. Attempting to collect the spawn, and 'grow them out' has been unsucessful to date. Too fragile to survive the nets.

The starfish isn't a coral, and different species can multiply in a couple different ways...first, is sexually, (she lays her 50 million eggs, and a nearby male comes along and fertilizes them) and the second being asexual. There is no evidence to support a mass-spawning event, such as moon phases...but likely they are more like opportunists. There's also strong suspicions that the Crown of Thorns uses chemical signals within the species to advertise the event.
I know that some species of starfish, as long as there is part of the starfishes mouth in both halves, you can cut those son-of-a bitches in half, and you get two. (after healing) But I don't remember hearing that this is the case with the COT.

Since the COT starfish has no natural predators their population goes unchecked. Divers have tried to remedy their invasion via hand removal, but the stars grow too quickly, and the task grows more daunting daily. How do you irradicate something that lays 50 million eggs at a time...each?

LolaGal
12-18-2008, 11:09 PM
Once I bought a red starfish that only had 3 legs, on sale, because the fish store said it was "permanently damaged". HeeHee. He grew those legs back in about 2 months or so. I even had some damsel fish lay eggs in my aquarium, once. It was cool, but none survived the filter. Hatched in like 3 days. I wasn't ready for that.

I still think if you gathered water with coral polyps floating in it, you could repopulate that reef! Wish I could try it, can't afford another major in oceanography.

Rock.Steady
12-19-2008, 12:16 AM
Lola, glad to hear your issues may be on the road to correction.
WH knows much about PH and plants, she's awesome!

its amazing how much PH can have an effect on your plants.
I suggest getting some PH UP n PH DOWN and a proper (PLANT/hydro) testing kit (should include everything) the next time you go to your supply house.
you may have to go to a hydro store, its where i get mine.

Rusty, nice to see you again. I figured you were digging into that research and thats why we didnt hear from you for a whole day. Well done! Your ability to expediently study, and offer new anecdotal questions is impressive. The more Q+A we can bring to the thread, the better the information available, which consequently builds the validity/value of the thread.
Thanks for your contribution!:thumbsup:

On to the coral discussion-
follow up question for Rusty-
altho you say capturing the lil young coral via netting has been unsuccessful (if i followed the dialog) , what about same idea, with, rather than netting, maybe taking large scoops of water, with some sort of cylindrical vessel that could be lowered to the location, opened, capture lil ones and surrounding water, close, seal, and transport to new location where you reverse the process and deposit the lil young coral-filled water near the damaged areas?
Has this method been tried?
or, is it simply too cost-prohibitive a concept?

LolaGal
12-19-2008, 12:32 AM
Hey Rock, thanks for the good wishes. Hope is still mad at the cat! The cat still wants to eat Hope, Faith and Charity. At least he spared the seedlings.


Yes, I think my wonderful idea to repopulate the reef would work, that is exactly the method I envisioned. Maybe we'll get the Nobel Prize (haha).

Rusty Trichome
12-19-2008, 01:03 AM
Most polyps are enviornmentaly sensitive, and can be a pain to keep alive for any legnth of time. Even in a labratory setting. Any changes can throw them into dormancy, or kill them outright, whether it's a saline or calcium difference, changes in specific gravity, usable and sustainable food sources for something that small, quantity and frequency of feedings....Research is ongoing, of course.

LolaGal
12-19-2008, 08:18 AM
Boo Hoo! I could just cry....I think I will :(

OK done crying (j/k).

Just checked on everyone before going to bed. 24 hours after massive flush, necrosis of leaf curled edges noted, with yellowing of some lower leaves started. They have like yellow spots (chlorosis). Getting more of that limey green Mag deficiency type look to leaves.

No water today. Canopy temps 78, humidity 33%. Not directly under 400 MH. 24-0 veg.

Younger leaves still look oK and some larger fan leaves still dark green. Now I'm thinking bad soil pH AND mag def. LOL. Dunno, anybody like diagnosing in the dark? Can't go to Mr. Kimball, the county agent!

Anybody seen any super cheap cameras? Maybe the after Christmas sales.:)

sarah louise
12-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Yes, I think my wonderful idea to repopulate the reef would work, that is exactly the method I envisioned.

That shows just how much you know about complex marine ecosystems. You can't 'repopulate' a reef, just as you can't 'replant' a rainforest. :(

And BTW, none of the farmers I know actually plant by moon. Many have a copy of the almanac, but they use this guide (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/) when they want information to guide planting.

Rusty Trichome
12-19-2008, 01:54 PM
You can't 'repopulate' a reef, just as you can't 'replant' a rainforest. :(
Since repopulate can be such a harsh word...perhaps re-seed would be more appropriate...? And yes, you can re-seed a barren reef. But it doesn't do much good till you understand the cause of the die-off in the first place, and fix the situation.
Ships running into the reef, feral invasive plantlife, hurricane damage, pollution, crown of thorns starfish, coral over harvesting for sale overseas in the home reefer's tanks...global warming. (kidding...Evidence shows the globe has been cooling since 2002)
I've seen eco-divers often construct man-made reefs from old ships, shaped-concrete forms and bundled tires, which they then 'glue' corals onto. (seriously) The bundled tire thing didn't work very well. They tend to break-free during storms and litter the local beaches.

Weedhound
12-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Ok....two things......

I didn't know starfish grew themselves back like that.....pretty interesting.

And I didn't know coral was considered an animal......I would have guessed plant.

Rusty Trichome
12-19-2008, 04:38 PM
And I didn't know coral was considered an animal......I would have guessed plant. I didn't know either, till I started reefing. Each species has it's own particular lighting needs, food and particle size requirements, waterflow needs, calcium, strontium, etc...

In the beginning, it was like trying to put a 10,000 piece puzzle together, completing a picture of coralkeeping frustration. (a solid color, often red, lol) But just like growing cannabis, you fall into a routine, and it eventually all becomes crystal clear. (or, you kill a lot of corals, shrimp, snails, the live rock...)

LolaGal
12-19-2008, 06:36 PM
66.6 degrees in December! Ice yesterday here! :wtf:

Hey Sarah, thanks for dropping by......In my defense: At least I'm trying to think of a way to improve the Great Barrier Reef! Diver down!:D



The NLHaze children look no better or worse this morning. Opened windows to let in the fresh air...............Definitely leaf edges are going to die....I gotta blame this on me, not the moon! Poor girls.

My WRs and COBs putting along slowly. 2 nodes now........

LolaGal
12-20-2008, 01:37 AM
That shows just how much you know about complex marine ecosystems. You can't 'repopulate' a reef, just as you can't 'replant' a rainforest. :(

And BTW, none of the farmers I know actually plant by moon. Many have a copy of the almanac, but they use this guide (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/) when they want information to guide planting.

I don't understand why you posted a link to the Australian Meterology site.

DTRave420
12-20-2008, 02:58 AM
Ok....two things......

I didn't know starfish grew themselves back like that.....pretty interesting.

And I didn't know coral was considered an animal......I would have guessed plant.

I always thought coral was a colorful ocean rock formation...Guess I'll put on my helmet and jump on the yellow bus now...:stoned:

LolaGal
12-20-2008, 03:20 AM
LOL. That was funny....yellow bus.....I thought it was the "short" bus....heehee

Weedhound
12-20-2008, 03:21 AM
Well I knew it was alive and very hard to "keep" or raise or however you would phrase it.......being an animal vs plant really surprised me though.

LolaGal
12-20-2008, 03:38 AM
Well I knew it was alive and very hard to "keep" or raise or however you would phrase it.......being an animal vs plant really surprised me though.

Better than PBS around here.....LOL.

Borrowed camera, took photos, now Apple computer's Image Capture program not compatible with HP camera I borrowed.....Is this a curse I'm under or what? Need help with plant problems and nobody can see to help. 4 trips for batteries, new battery charger, borrowed 2 cameras. Still no photos. Should I draw a picture?:wtf::D

Dutch Pimp
12-20-2008, 04:42 AM
Don't let the whino die!...:rhinoceros:.......:stoned:

painretreat
02-04-2009, 04:18 AM
Well, how is the Whino??? I mean, was? P/R

(read your rip-off thread)-there is another floating here for ripping off mmj. As I recall, some of it was pretty funny. But, stealing--pisses me off 2 !)

How is the camera prob? I think you fixed it.

I know a dairy farmer in Wisc. that use to use the Almanac. Until he discovered he could take his corn to the Dept. of Ag and get info! I can hardly wait until we can take some cannabis in for a check up!!! P/R

DTRave420
02-04-2009, 05:27 AM
Well, how is the Whino??? I mean, was? P/R

(read your rip-off thread)-there is another floating here for ripping off mmj. As I recall, some of it was pretty funny. But, stealing--pisses me off 2 !)

How is the camera prob? I think you fixed it.

I know a dairy farmer in Wisc. that use to use the Almanac. Until he discovered he could take his corn to the Dept. of Ag and get info! I can hardly wait until we can take some cannabis in for a check up!!! P/R

Got an EMAIL from Lola today...She got hit real bad by the stom and just got her power back...Her father is ill as well...I'll let her know you asked on her PR...

LolaGal
02-04-2009, 05:30 PM
Feels strange to be back! No power 8 days, thought the plants would all be dead...SURPRISE! everybody is alive! With temps down to 35 inside and no lights, thought they'd all be goners!

I see we lost lots of threads etc. Good to be back home. Later ya'll!

Rock.Steady
02-04-2009, 11:30 PM
got ur mail and happy to know you are OK.
good to see you on the boards.

do what you need to do, we'll be here when you have the time.:thumbsup:

let me know if theres any way i can help you.

Rock.

LolaGal
02-05-2009, 05:53 AM
Got to check on the remains of the crop this afternoon. For those who don't know, here goes. I was so fooled by all my "girls"..all 3 NLHaze were boys...Got 1 White Rhino gal & one boy...My Cali Oranges yielded one sickly gal and one nice poppa. I never saw plants that had me fooled worse than those NLHaze plants....

So with 2 girls left I will be vegging them a little longer, re potting into some 5 gallon pots (they are rootbound bad), and maybe cloning a couple White Rhinos. I hope the Cali Orange will at least buff up a little.

Had a good scare this afternoon when the MPs showed up in their Hummer to see if I needed any help...haha..they were about a week late. Nothing like having the Army roll onto the farm unexpectedly to get that adrenaline pumping.... Now I'm jealous and want to steal their Hummers...now that would be a 4 wheel drive vehicle.

Weedhound
02-05-2009, 06:08 PM
Hmmm, how do they tow? Can you tow a horse trailer off one? Otherwise I'm sticking with my pick up truck.

LolaGal
02-05-2009, 09:20 PM
Hmmm, how do they tow? Can you tow a horse trailer off one? Otherwise I'm sticking with my pick up truck.

I think we may have been separated at birth Weedy! Are you a Ford gal too? If it weren't for my Ford 4wheel drive, I'd been stuck like everybody else here.

Don't know how them Hummers tow, but will steal one & let you know! LOL.
One good thing, for some reason my dialup has been rockin! I NEVER connected this fast before. Must be a lot of people whose phones are still out, giving me a wide open connection....

Rock.Steady
02-06-2009, 02:15 AM
now now girls, we'll have no thelma n louise style car chases in a hummer...

picture it.
these 2 crazy girls screamin down a highway in a stolen army hummer. the army is in hot pursuit and our heroines are tossin weedy-bombs out the back.
the army gets too stoney to drive from the potency of weedy's latest mega-monster-plant harvest which has created a weed-fog surrounding the army.

they get away this time, but what will happen next time...

Weedy, dont encourage this crazy free spirit. next thing you know, we're reading headlines on the internet:wtf::pimp:

fyi-they're too big, waste gas. stick w your Fords:D

LolaGal
02-06-2009, 04:00 AM
Awww, come on Rock....let me steal just one Hummer...... I promise never to do it again......


Those Army dudes will never miss just one...LOL.

I can see it now...me & Weedy are hauling ass in the stolen Army Hummer...Weedy's eating capsules & I'm smoking big fatties...

Mmmmm....capsules & fatties (imagine Homer saying this)

However, Weedy & I are much too smart to ever get hemmed in by the Grand Canyon & have to bail.....

p.s. I wanna be Thelma

LolaGal
02-06-2009, 04:08 AM
Repotted the 2 gals today into 5 gallon pots, staked em...hope they get bigger. I noticed that the pistils may have gotten a little frost bit & withered looking....must be the freezing temps they endured....oh well. Back on 24-0 for a while to buff em up.

Today & tomorrow really good Moon planting days! Moon's in Cancer/2nd quarter....

Weedhound
02-06-2009, 07:28 PM
There needs to be room in the hummer for all the dogs.......

Lola I read somewhere (can't remember where) that you ended up with a bunch of males?

Rock.Steady
02-07-2009, 03:57 AM
Weedy, too much room in a hummer, plus, i just have a personal dislike, its a Jeep thing, long story. please, resist the temptation.:wtf:

she did post (over there) that she wound up with "almost" all males.

she did however get 1 female each of the 2 varieties she germed (cant remember the strains)

Lola, I had a cold snap in one of my past grows.
it basically, 'stunned' em and took a lil time for them to bounce back.
if it wasnt too severe, yours will probably come out of it. give them time n love.

try to keep temps no lower than 60F at night.

lets see some current pics.
do i need to send u a camera?:wtf:
seriously, let me know.

Rock.

fwiw- im so happy to have my "WTF"(:wtf:) smilie and avatar back:pimp:

sarah louise
02-07-2009, 06:53 AM
heyho

just thought to drop in and give you the results of my moon planted cuttings and seedlings... 2x2 sets of cuts and 1x2 sets of seed. results were uniform across all sets... no difference between barren and fruitful moon planting.

conditions have been tough in the last few weeks with consistent daytime tops between 100f and 112f there has been a few losses. again, unrelated to the moon. The distinguishing feature seems to be the medium... 90% of losses were soil planted, 10% were in coco/perlite. out of the survivors, the coco/perlite planted are nearly twice the size of the soil planted.

two hours to sunset... still 110f and the aircon has died. wall to wall sauna.

Dutch Pimp
02-07-2009, 07:28 AM
no difference between barren and fruitful moon planting.

...yes...I can see how the moon might fail you...under those conditions...:rolleyes:

LolaGal
02-07-2009, 04:10 PM
Hey Ya'll,

Went out yesterday & turned my water meter back on...no water INSIDE the house right now leaking, afraid to crawl under the house to look for leaks, guess that is my next move....was nice to sleep in my own bed for a change!

Weedy, all my NL5Haze plants fooled me & turned out to be males....only have 1 Cali Orange and 1 White Rhino gal....gonna save some pollen from the boys and breed for seeds. Never had plants fool me so badly! I fancied myself the expert sexer, and all had female preflowers, but Surprise! Oh well...watcha gonna do? LOL

Now it's 70 degrees outside! Go figure......Hope we have an early spring for a change...

Sara: Nice to hear from you, sounds like Australia is hot, hot hot!

Rock: Yeah, send Nikon D40 ASAP! Hahaha....Not much to take a picture of right now, just 2 small baby plants alone in the grow room....They look so puny, especially the Cali Orange. That strain's never done too well here.

Dutch: Haha, you so funny!

Good to hear from all of ya'll! Now, under the house for me with a flashlight....already seen a big snake under there once, and don't want to go under the house...damn snakes scare the crap out of me! I think I will take my 38 and load it with some rat shot shells I have......just in case!

trinitybound
02-07-2009, 10:03 PM
Hey Ya'll,

Good to hear from all of ya'll! Now, under the house for me with a flashlight....already seen a big snake under there once, and don't want to go under the house...damn snakes scare the crap out of me! I think I will take my 38 and load it with some rat shot shells I have......just in case!

Damn Lola your a cool chick to be headed under the house with a flashlight and a 38. :cool:
LOL I just imagined, "what's that? ahhhhh a snake!!! (...shots fired...) nope, just the sewer lines.
:jointsmile:

sarah louise
02-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Sara: Nice to hear from you, sounds like Australia is hot, hot hot!


you could say that, at least in the south east of the country... 46.4'C (115.5'F) yesterday... no wonder the aircon gave up.

Weezard
02-07-2009, 11:12 PM
Hey Ya'll,

Went out yesterday & turned my water meter back on...no water INSIDE the house right now leaking, afraid to crawl under the house to look for leaks, guess that is my next move....was nice to sleep in my own bed for a change!
...

Good to hear from all of ya'll! Now, under the house for me with a flashlight....already seen a big snake under there once, and don't want to go under the house...damn snakes scare the crap out of me! I think I will take my 38 and load it with some rat shot shells I have......just in case!

No worries LG.
No need .38!

Throw the bird at the snake!
And follow the mist to fill the water bottle.

No water bottle?
Type "PLUGH" to get you back the the well-house .
Drop the keys, get the water bottle, then "Xyzzy" to get you back into the room with the wand
Obscure reference?:wtf:
You bet!
Anybody here old enough to get it?

Ancient Wee Zard.

WhiskeyTango
02-08-2009, 12:11 AM
kings quest weez?
good vibes

Weezard
02-08-2009, 02:27 AM
Older!

Think pre-Msdos
CP/M & Unix days.

Aloha
Greybeard the high

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 02:46 AM
No worries LG.
No need .38!

Throw the bird at the snake!
And follow the mist to fill the water bottle.

No water bottle?
Type "PLUGH" to get you back the the well-house .
Drop the keys, get the water bottle, then "Xyzzy" to get you back into the room with the wand
Obscure reference?:wtf:
You bet!
Anybody here old enough to get it?

Ancient Wee Zard.


I KNOW! Adventure or Adventure in Colossal Cave, I played it on my first computer a Radio Shack honey....I still have a copy of that game on my computer....That was the best text game I ever played...It's based on Mammoth Cave, KY.... PLUGH!!!! I still never beat that rascal.....I won't use cheat codes....lol

Weez, did ya ever play the one where there's a Scottish Manor and clues to a fortune on the estate?...I'd love to find that one again....



Made the trek to civilization tonite, got me some Organic Miracle Grow potting soil (I know, at least organic MG!) Also found me a big bag of worm poop for $3.38...what a bargain....Getting ready to run some Widows....just waiting for the moon to get right!

Yum, yum, actually went to a Restaurant with a menu tonite...I'm so full of Cashew Chicken & egg rolls......yum yum....lol.

Now I just need a big fattie....haha....guess this roach will have to do!!

Oh, bought a couple of big slabs of baby back ribs, gonna fry em up on the grill tomorrow, anybody wanna come? Gonna use my secret BBQ sauce recipe...had to kill Col.Sanders to get that recipe..heehee... Ya'll never knew the ole Colonel had a good BBQ sauce recipe...lol.....

Oh never mentioned it, but I'm a Colonel too......anybody wanna go to the Derby? I can get some good tickets.....

Luv ya'll,
Col. Lola

DTRave420
02-08-2009, 04:07 AM
I KNOW! Adventure or Adventure in Colossal Cave, I played it on my first computer a Radio Shack honey....I still have a copy of that game on my computer....That was the best text game I ever played...It's based on Mammoth Cave, KY.... PLUGH!!!! I still never beat that rascal.....I won't use cheat codes....lol

Weez, did ya ever play the one where there's a Scottish Manor and clues to a fortune on the estate?...I'd love to find that one again....



Made the trek to civilization tonite, got me some Organic Miracle Grow potting soil (I know, at least organic MG!) Also found me a big bag of worm poop for $3.38...what a bargain....Getting ready to run some Widows....just waiting for the moon to get right!

Yum, yum, actually went to a Restaurant with a menu tonite...I'm so full of Cashew Chicken & egg rolls......yum yum....lol.

Now I just need a big fattie....haha....guess this roach will have to do!!

Oh, bought a couple of big slabs of baby back ribs, gonna fry em up on the grill tomorrow, anybody wanna come? Gonna use my secret BBQ sauce recipe...had to kill Col.Sanders to get that recipe..heehee... Ya'll never knew the ole Colonel had a good BBQ sauce recipe...lol.....

Oh never mentioned it, but I'm a Colonel too......anybody wanna go to the Derby? I can get some good tickets.....

Luv ya'll,
Col. Lola

LOL Lola,Remember those computers...My first computer was a "hand me down" from my kid brother who was the genius of the family...He gave it to me in the 80's and it was an Atari ST...There was no internet and the games were prehistoric by todays standards but man that was the ultimate living room item to have back then,lol...
Don't you dare leave me hangin' with this Col. thing...I'm trying to narrow it down and my deductions are you were in the service(interesting) or you were on a roller derby team called the Colonels(holy shit!!!)...

Nice to see ya lady,
luv ya,
DTR

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 06:28 AM
Just a Kentucky Colonel....they pass those out to anybody.... You get a big certificate signed by the governor & get good tickets to the Derby and all the Derby parties (if you like to hang out with oldsters)....

Basically, it's a holdover from 1790s when Issac Shelby started it to recognise his "aide-de-camps". It's just a thang they give out to your basic hero types..hahaha

At least I can put Colonel on my tombstone..haha.....That's how Colonel Sanders got started LOL. Anybody wanna buy my secret recipe for chicken?


Think I'm gonna go play in the worm poop...

Dutch Pimp
02-08-2009, 06:54 AM
got me some Organic Miracle Grow potting soil

...maybe?..a pinch of lime, too?

I like to flush the soil with water and let it drain, well...then, add the seeds. If nothing else, it settles the soil down, in the pot.

I use to be a KY Kernel...:thumbsup:

Weezard
02-08-2009, 09:45 AM
I KNOW! Adventure or Adventure in Colossal Cave, I played it on my first computer a Radio Shack honey....I still have a copy of that game on my computer....That was the best text game I ever played...It's based on Mammoth Cave, KY.... PLUGH!!!! I still never beat that rascal.....I won't use cheat codes....lol

Weez, did ya ever play the one where there's a Scottish Manor and clues to a fortune on the estate?...I'd love to find that one again....

...

Luv ya'll,
Col. Lola

Bingo! And the Colonel wins a blunt.:jointsmile:
Best game ever indeed!
Played it on a TRS 80 w/ 16Kb of ram, then a Xerox cpm machine w/32 K of ram and 8" disk drives.
Actually got my framed "Certificate of Wizardry" from Software toolworks hanging in the guest room.
Plugh is not a cheat code. Just one of the legitimate magic words.
Without it you'd have to use the batteries and screw up a perfect score.
Don't get stuck at Witts end.:(

Scottish manor? Don't ring a bell!
But, I never throw anything out. Got game CDs from the 80s.
If you can remember a bit more about it, I'll try to track it down for ya.

painretreat
02-08-2009, 11:03 AM
Lola,
Been checking in on your thread, good one! And fun! Go figure KFC!

Col.Lola--don't think us 'oldies' would mind putting up with you youngun's! lol!

Ask for a Nikon 90: they look pretty good--anyone know and what len's to get with um? I have to get one too, for my immaginary gro. and Trich. pics!

Should have ask the MPS to go under the house. I have to walk my dog with a 357 (guy down way down the street has a 4 ft fence- 2 pit bulls, 3 Rot's, German Shep's and one he calls a Wolf dog!). I decided I was being stupid and drive to town now! Sucks.

Now, plant about 4 acres of hemp/NCDG and put it in your stollen hummer and let them inhale that!!! Now, imagine--a pink T-bird blowing smoke on sandy Grand Cyn. Get's to the edge and Weedy says,"that's good smoke were wasting, turn around and inhale!

Is your water leak fixed? Are you on Well Water? I am, sucks at times! I deal with 4 different types of rattlers--dumbass me, walking on my property just after sundown and damn thing was "hissing"! I thought and have only heard rattles, which it did when it lunged and missed-I think! So, couldn't see it and pissed with it, almost started pushing up ganga that eve! (Sun goes down, I go in now) But, still here and more fear of snakes than ever. Got some snake shot now! Is that the same as gopher/rat shot? Now, I have noticed I have an owl that hoots all night near the area and a crow that sorta bark likes during the day--hope they take care of um. Found 2 more within a couple weeks and then a freeze!

I tried a accidental Thelma unfortunately my little dog was a passenger (I deserved your 38 with gopher shot for that)! 60 ft. straight down (AAA won't tow more than 25 ft off road to recover it) onto SAND my own property too, of all luck. Had a dozer get it out, once I healed a bit! Several broken ribs, contused lung and heart. My poor little dog and biggest concern--was worried about me as I her. More so than myself and really didn't realize I was even injured for fear of my little dog waiting behind a Sage and peeking at me! It wasn't my 4X, but good thing (no airbags), I keep every car I buy. It was a Toyota Avalon (of all little things)--the falling felt like a good ride, the end, fortunately soft. But, airbags deployed already (at roadside) and then, how to get out of a hole with pre-existing medical probs., which were fine! Fortunately, it was at the bare end of my property (not the Grand Cyn)and crawled up a hill to home! Too tired to go to doc for a few days! Take the Hummer UP not down, believe me, it may feel better!

Now to the topic: Do you put anything like blankets, towels or sheets over your girls when the temp drops? Anyone--does it help? I live in hot climate, but this is the cold-snow year. So, I need to be prepared! And occasionally, it is cold at night after summer soltice!

Damn, some dog in my trash and that 357 sure scares them off and wakes up the owners of it! Gotta Go! Crap, it snowed the past 2 days and too muddy to pick up trash! Well, gonna start diggin my holes for the fences! Just hate um in the country! Now with mmj, I love'um and wonder-how many snakes I'll find in my garden this year!

Thanks for all the great sexing info! Think they turned? The weather or just too much spring water? Or just because! I'll take that! I've been watching many DVD's and reading ton's of books. Guess, I'll have to see if I can find some bagweed to start-but I can't smoke it. With spinal problems, it makes the pain worse. I haven't figured that one out, yet! Then a little Indica and it will stop. I'd like that garden with every possible clone to pick and choose for each grow!

Again, thanks for such a great thread and all the great comments and learnin from all! P/R:jointsmile: :hippy:


That friggin dog, gotta go. Just a little break in the snow too! More snow this year than the past 20 combined!

Saw Aussie fires on TV last night--hope you are all doing well! Know how it feels!

WhiskeyTango
02-08-2009, 04:07 PM
shit man....I did a wake and bake, and spent almost 45 min just trying to read this page.....lol
You guys are a trip! I was er....."stationed" in KY for a while, they have a military brig there..heh. Spent a few there. LOVE fried chicken...Ill take ya up on the BBQ Lola!
PR- settle down, your gettin crazY!...lol. Jumping down cliffs n shit, scarin the hell outta me.
Guess I was a lil too 80's on my game pic...you remember kings quest though guys? That was a text game too mostly...Then there were the PURE text DOS based games when the internet FIRST came out...
Im really stoned and not sure what else to type about....lol
good vibes

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 04:17 PM
...maybe?..a pinch of lime, too?

I like to flush the soil with water and let it drain, well...then, add the seeds. If nothing else, it settles the soil down, in the pot.

I use to be a KY Kernel...:thumbsup:

Once a Kernel, always a kernel......there's no escape for you!!

I've been doing that flush thing ever since you told me about it! Only way I can get the soil runoff right....Do you think all that flushing gets rid of the added nutes in the MG? I got some baby seed starting soil for the widow crop, made by Ferry Morse. It was horribly expensive at $6 for tiny bag. Hope it will be worth it!! Finally found some dolomite lime at WalMart, but didn't want to buy 40 lbs of it.......

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 04:37 PM
Weez: Of course I used Plugh! Just never finished the game! That seems to be a recurring theme with me....Now I'm hooked on Lara Croft & Tomb Raider, which I am never able to beat either..... Dunno about the name of the Scottish Manor thing....something like McDougall's Manor...Almost beat that one.....then got a new computer and lost it...

PR: You gotta quit hill surfing in that Toyota! I'm on city water, but have 3 springs here, and an old well. I was just joking about the $400 camera....lol..somehow can't expect a free camera..haha.... I bought a $30 digital camera, it'll get the job done....(I'm so cheap haha)

WT: What's up! Glad to see ya here again! Come over about 4 for the baby back rib feast....poor pig never saw it coming.... My secret ingredient in my BBQ sauce is......1 tbsp of Pumpkin Pie Spice! Sounds yucky, but sho does taste fine! I use lots of vinegar & lemon juice in it too....


Haha, not talking much about the Moon Signs here...hope I don't get the thread police after me.........See ya'll later!

WhiskeyTango
02-08-2009, 04:45 PM
lol....LOVE some BBQ!!! I use that Miracle Gro organic soil too...I just add 30% perlite to it.....they make a seed starting soil too, works like a mo fo...
good vibes

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 04:53 PM
lol....LOVE some BBQ!!! I use that Miracle Gro organic soil too...I just add 30% perlite to it.....they make a seed starting soil too, works like a mo fo...
good vibes

Dang, after seeing your grows, now I'm feeliing better about the MG Organic Soil. It was the best choice I had here in Podunkia. I got some new supplies of Perlite yesterday too...gotta love the Perlite!

The remaining 2 gals seem to like being in their new fat 5 gallon homes. Got some new leaves popping out on the Cali Orange big stem.....It's now hot in the grow room, had to turn 1 light off to avoid 90 plus temps....These girls are getting an extreme weather work out.....

LolaGal
02-08-2009, 04:59 PM
Damn Lola your a cool chick to be headed under the house with a flashlight and a 38. :cool:
LOL I just imagined, "what's that? ahhhhh a snake!!! (...shots fired...) nope, just the sewer lines.
:jointsmile:

Haha, that one had me cracking up! Almost exactly what happened....I did draw down on a water line, but managed to hold my fire! Didn't see that durn snake.....thank God! Never saw a rattlesnake here in my life...until I go under the house and hear rattlllle rattttlllle....AAAAHHH! That was a couple years ago. Now hope I don't have a rattler den under there. Guess I need to buy a ferret or mongoose and lock it under there for a while.....

Dutch Pimp
02-08-2009, 05:16 PM
Once a Kernel, always a kernel......there's no escape for you!!

I've been doing that flush thing ever since you told me about it! Only way I can get the soil runoff right....Do you think all that flushing gets rid of the added nutes in the MG? I got some baby seed starting soil for the widow crop, made by Ferry Morse. It was horribly expensive at $6 for tiny bag. Hope it will be worth it!! Finally found some dolomite lime at WalMart, but didn't want to buy 40 lbs of it.......
I don't know if the flush helps reduce the added nutes or not. I use the moisture control POTTING MIX. I think some peeps get the GARDEN soil by mistake. The 20% perlite added is critical. I like to mix up a big batch and flush it after adding the perlite and a pinch of lime.

Then, I put it into my 16-20 oz party cups (not clear)...put my seed down 1/4 inch...and keep the soil/air temp at 80-85 degrees. (You know the two cups inside one; deal, already...:thumbsup:) I have never checked the runoff ph that early...so, I have no idea what it is?

When the sprouts break the surface...I set them under T-12 6500k floro shop lights. No danger of burning..1-2 inches above. I usually go 2-3 weeks like this...until rootbound in the cups. (These pics are in 4 inch clay pots..which is a BIG mistake)

painretreat
02-09-2009, 10:22 AM
WT: my stupidity isn't illegal yet-one civil right we've managed to retain! I am reading that the moon is a 'guide'. Hope it doesn't have a thing to do with anything more than my feeling the need for active stupidity!

Lolagal: My fave meal! Are you into (meat) smokers? I bought a killer one in TX, then a car to haul it back (instead of fly). Yum! Will try the pump spice thou! Great idea, never heard it.

Do you really think the Moon has much to do with an indoor grow, since we are 'foolin' mo nature anyway with our lights? And thanks for the clarity of why MP's would be on your prop--too close to base. Do they practice with ordinance's flying your yard. I know a farmer in Wisc. that ordinance's were targeted for his farm routinely as, they never looked past the trees! The cows production went way down and they missed every little black and white spotted one!!

I have been under a lot of crawl spaces and haven't seen one snake yet, my biggest fear, of course! I doubt I'll do that again. Instead, I got on top of my RV to get the snow off the Satellite and solar panels. The fear of falling off is as bad of the snakes under house!

The local ag dept sells killer mouse and rat poison. They 'contend' get rid of the food supply and the snakes will leave. Other threads say piss around your plants, etc. I'd shit all over if I thot it'd get rid of um! Dont' know if I'd use my product after that thou! Have a full moon BBQ snake party. Catch it and Lola will BBQ it for you!

Is the leak fixed? They may be there for the water.

I know a lot of farmers follow the moon, that is all they had a century past. They were pretty skinny those days with a shorter life span. I will try a 'MOON GROW" and when you perfect a moon strain-sell it! Would be fun to try. Like a 'group grow!'

I can assure you, those mods are not sleeping! They are here-found um! I was wondering for a bit myself-didn't take long!

HT Oct. 2009 issue: Seed #4: Colonel L's Moon pet! Celebration Party--Kentucky! Seeds not blue in color! Hummm....think the moon has anything to do with white seeds or still just immature seeds?

Me cheap on the things I use very little also--so I find them cheaper. Like a great game, who can beat this price. I actually want great Trich pictures, will a $30 camera do it?

Your thread, if you don't like the jacking, say so; we'll shape up. After the withdrawal of a month, we have to dust off a little! I looked into that little box with what is on and off in your posts (which I have no clue what most of those initials mean anyway) and there it states: Forum Rules. I loved it, easy to find. Try reading it. Doesn't say you can't jack a thread. Out of courtesy, most of us first wait to see if thread owner does it and then ask. I'm asking?

I am partaking (for legal reason's, vicariously-of course) in a Kush X Blueberry. U think it is a bit much for a first time in a completely new environment and supplies (with last gro about 30 yr?). My reading says flushing not only blows off the old nutes, etc. Helps prevent disease, etc. And having tasted a few--if it isn't flushed well, you can taste the dirt and nukes! I have some Kush I bought last Sept. I swear I can taste the dirt! Which is why it has lasted so long and my using has been reserved for severe pain days. I love the organic stuff.

Doesn't root bound cause some mold? Do you cut off any of the residual roots. Seems I read a thread with some SA comments and they cut off the bottom of plant with some mold on it-maybe wrong, it happens alot). I know I've read don't touch roots more than possible. However, gardening books say to pull them loose to plant, etc. I have planted some that said cut off some as well--haven't done it, sounds to harsh.

Very interesting thread and thanks so much for sharing and the experts that have chimed in. I am just soaking it all in. For my amatuer grows, when it is federally legal, of course!

I was told to flush for a few weeks on the ground if growing outdoors with mostly a mix of local dirt. However, I think local dirt is contaminated and the flush sounds like a, best bet! When you vape (especially) you'd start just for the flavor (or switch to buttered Fudge) It makes a much better smoke!

Those $6. bags may be preventable. I used co-poly in a non-edible grow and it was $15. per 14 oz. I called the distribution center for Target! They had a mail order 100 lb bag of it for less than $100.! Years ago, but may still do it and save a lot of money! They may have it, even if hey don't have it in the stores. cuz, I cheap too and like a nice yard. P/R

I thot Apple became compatible with other PC's. Is there a glitch in it?? or good reason to buy a new camera? Bet the spring water taste's good and your girls love'um! Perked right up!

Ever dream of rows of cannibis plants on 50 acres and not have to worry! I wanna, just because! Or, Woodstock party in Kentucky! Wow, a real farm of cannabis and owner quits daytime job to host parties that increase clouds in the sky!

LolaGal
02-09-2009, 06:12 PM
I've dreamed of putting the whole farm out in high grade crops....One field of this, another field of that....using all clones of course!

The book "Little Shepherd of Kingdom Come",by John Fox, Jr tells about fields of hemp stretching as far as the eye could see.... It's a book about Ky in the pre- civil war era.

Anyway that would be so cool to one day grow your own crop of high quality MJ in such a manner. Can't wait for legalization, then ya'll will be importing my good weed wherever it was needed in the dispensaries..lol

Did a wake & bake hee hee, having a good time.....

Here's a pic of my White Rhino gal, she was just repotted into a real pot, was rootbound but seems to be doing well for a plant who lived in the dark for 9 days and nights in freezing temps of down to 0 degrees with absolutely no heat at all... Maybe that Moon planting was what pulled em all through???!!!!!

Weezard
02-09-2009, 06:24 PM
"Maybe that Moon planting was what pulled em all through???!!!!! "


Well, that, and a mother's love. :4::greenthumb:

Good work!

Weeze

LolaGal
02-09-2009, 08:35 PM
Now raising Super Thoroughbred Moon Planted Amazons! :D

Following the theory of germing, transplanting & harvesting in favorable moon signs, I've attempted to raise what are termed thoroughbred plants.. This seems to have invested potential superpowers to all the plants!!!! Yes, that's right, they survived in freezing cold (lowest indoor recorded temp was 35 degrees) and no light for 9 days!

No signs at all on the pollen crops being damaged... they seem super hardy and will have tons of flowers...no hermies noted among the crop of males.

Help me pick a potential father for the future NL5Haze seeds please...

Contestant #1 has a fruity aroma, perhaps a strawberry smell, and is shorter

Contestant #2 survives being pinched at top node, only to pop right back up. He has a skunky smell.

Contestant #3 As tall as #2, smelling about the same as #2. Skunky smell.


Who do ya'll think would make the best NL5Haze Daddy? 1,2,or 3?

As for the other two strains had a 50/50 split with one male and female Whino and one male and female California Orange Bud....Of course, will breed these for seeds to purebred out some lines... Only started 3 seeds of 3 strains originally. Lost 2 plants to mystery ailment, did not survive as clones with the weather here.

Anyway, I'm really impressed they did not seem to suffer any minor damage from the horrible conditions. Their problems were related to being the only 2 plants that did not get repotted at last transplant time. Both of the females were rootbound..... No signs of hermie on the 2 gals

GoldenGraham84
02-09-2009, 08:40 PM
pink...text...straining...my...eyes...
must...lower...monitor...resolution...

as for a dad, i'd breed for speed myself. fastest developing male wins. IMO

good to hear about you super-moon-genetically-gifted plants surviving!

LolaGal
02-09-2009, 08:45 PM
pink...text...straining...my...eyes...
must...lower...monitor...resolution...

as for a dad, i'd breed for speed myself. fastest developing male wins. IMO

good to hear about you super-moon-genetically-gifted plants surviving!

Heehee, that's not pink, that's Dark Orchid...lol....sorry. Good to hear from you GG!

Weezard: Thanks for da love bruddah!

PR: Keep posting, love to read your posts! They are nice & long and entertaining....:)

Weezard
02-09-2009, 10:25 PM
"Who do ya'll think would make the best NL5Haze Daddy? 1,2,or 3?"

Um, With a few paper bags and some twist ties, 2 girls and 3 boys'l getcha 6 different strains of seeds.

Label a small paper bag.
Slightly moisten the inside of the bag with a sprayer.
Pull it over the males naughty bits and shake it a little.
The pollen will stick to the bag.
Remove while still moist and the inside should have a yellow dusting of pollen.

Put the bag over a cola, tie it closed and wait for it to dry.
Then pinch the mouth of the bag with a moist paper towel to catch any "puffs" and "snap" the bottom and sides with your fingers to get the pollen floating.
Wait a few hours.

Spritz the outside of the bag with water, shake it to trap any remaining pollen and remove it carefully.
Label each cola with a li'l birth certificate listing the parents and wait for seed.
If you are carefull you'll still have plenty of unfertilized colas for your stash and a nice assortment of seeds to try.

Ya nevah know which ones are going to be exceptional until you try 'em all.:jointsmile:

Aloha and bedda wedda ovah dere.

Weeze

LolaGal
02-10-2009, 01:33 AM
Is your grow room looking like mine? Yuck, gotta get it organized!!!! Luckily for us, Guess What? The Moon Signs are right for getting a lot accomplished, so let's all get our grows organized while the Moon is right!

February Optimal Days to organize Closets, storage areas, attics, and basements are : 10th, 11th, and 12th! Also 22nd-26th are great this month!

This is a great time to donate all that unwanted stuff to charity & make more space. If you grow in the attic, then get busy tomorrow, and soon you will have twice the room!!

THE BEST ORGANIZATIONAL DATES ARE: February 10th & 11th!!!!! These 2 days are best for organizational overhauls in any area! Guess I'll be working in the grow area tomorrow & next day for sure.

:dance: Have fun, Moon Gardeners, get those areas in shape & let me know if the Moon made it easier for you to get it all done! :dance:

LolaGal
02-10-2009, 01:43 AM
Made some "ho-made"(pun intended) cloning gel today. Got this idea...what do ya'll think?

I took some sterile K-Y jelly (water soluble), and added some powdered rooting hormone. This made the perfect cloning gel, which I applied to the lower branches of my mother plant using a paint brush.

I will see how this works on root development on the stem WHILE the stem is still attached to the mother. I think this may make cloning easier, since mother will keep stems in great shape, while hopefully rooting becomes favorable on the stem surface.

Anyway K-Y jelly & rooting hormone makes a great cloning jel for pennies. I plan on mixing up tiny batches as needed...Only a girl could have come up with this idea...LOL

Lola

GoldenGraham84
02-10-2009, 01:53 AM
hey, sweet! i just posted a thread today asking for air layering pics! if you didn't know already, thats what you're doing! leaving the clone semi-attached to the mother...

awesome idea on your ho-made rooting gel, too!

LolaGal
02-10-2009, 02:09 AM
hey, sweet! i just posted a thread today asking for air layering pics! if you didn't know already, thats what you're doing! leaving the clone semi-attached to the mother...

awesome idea on your ho-made rooting gel, too!

Right now it's totally attached to the Mom....I may air layer in a few days, I need some kind of rooting medium for that, all I have is some moss, I'm sure the pH of that would be so low, may keep it from rooting.?

Anyway, try out the Ho-Made rooting gel and let me know if you like the idea. So far so good, here....

LolaGal
02-10-2009, 03:25 AM
If I remember right photo #1 is a group shot, Cali Orange on left, WR on right.

Second photo is top shot of the California Orange Bud, she trying to put out some new leaves along her skinny tall 28 inch stem....

DTRave420
02-10-2009, 03:32 AM
If those plants made it through those 9 days with no adverse effects they'll make it through anything...Cheers Lola!!!:)

LolaGal
02-10-2009, 03:27 PM
If those plants made it through those 9 days with no adverse effects they'll make it through anything...Cheers Lola!!!:)

Thanks DTR! I hope you are right, no telling what disaster will befall me next! LOL

Dutch Pimp
02-10-2009, 04:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk

sorry..LG I'm trying to figure that out...:wtf:...let me work on that...:thumbsup:

painretreat
02-11-2009, 08:16 PM
O.K.: I am in the closet and hope to have my clones in time.

Thanks for taking all the time to explain this so well! Is really cool! :jointsmile:

headshake
02-12-2009, 01:50 AM
somehow i lost my subscription to this thread. but i'm back now. how are thing's going lola?

-shake

LolaGal
02-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Hi Shake, glad to see ya back in the Moon Garden!


It will be a Happy Valentine's Day here, since I'm gonna start up all my outdoor crops tomorrow! The Moon Signs are right people!!!!

My grow area is looking fine, after big clean up! The 2 girls I have left are getting fat and sassy! It's a wonder....checked my runoff pH & it's WAY too low....I have ordered some calibration solution, just in case! Got some rockwool starter cubes, gonna try some cloning too!

Since no boyfriend, doubt I'll get any juicy Valentine's Day goodies...boohoo! Guess I'll have to buy myself a Snickers bar..haha. Will be checking the mail box just in case an old flame sends something...lol.

Can't wait to get those seeds in the dirt tomorrow! Thanks for stopping by the Moon Garden ya'll!

Weezard
02-13-2009, 07:48 PM
Hi Shake, glad to see ya back in the Moon Garden!


It will be a Happy Valentine's Day here, since I'm gonna start up all my outdoor crops tomorrow! The Moon Signs are right people!!!!

My grow area is looking fine, after big clean up! The 2 girls I have left are getting fat and sassy! It's a wonder....checked my runoff pH & it's WAY too low....I have ordered some calibration solution, just in case! Got some rockwool starter cubes, gonna try some cloning too!

Since no boyfriend, doubt I'll get any juicy Valentine's Day goodies...boohoo! Guess I'll have to buy myself a Snickers bar..haha. Will be checking the mail box just in case an old flame sends something...lol.

Can't wait to get those seeds in the dirt tomorrow! Thanks for stopping by the Moon Garden ya'll!


ALolaha

Let me be the first E-friend to wish you a happy V-day.:)
Get 2 snickers bars and send me da bill.:D

Things are lookin much mo' betta here, medically speaking.
So I thought I'd share da happy.

Cheers
Weeze

headshake
02-13-2009, 09:34 PM
glad to be back lola. thanks.

i'll send ya a case of snickers. (i need to go to sams anyway!)

good to hear things are getting better on your end weezard. i still have some catching up to do, but i got that your wife was in the hospital. sorry to hear that. hope all is getting better!

-shake

Rock.Steady
02-13-2009, 11:18 PM
Anyway K-Y jelly & rooting hormone makes a great cloning jel for pennies. I plan on mixing up tiny batches as needed...Only a girl could have come up with this idea...LOL

Lola

sorry hon, im about to blo holes thru your theory.:wtf:

if rooting hormone works on your pennies, what will happen is, they will grow roots(feet). there's only one thing i can see happening after that... your money disappearing.

Lola, several weeks from now will be heard saying...
"it's like all my money just grew legs and walked away???"

had to say it:stoned:

Happy Friday the 13th!:wtf:

LolaGal
02-13-2009, 11:34 PM
sorry hon, im about to blo holes thru your theory.:wtf:

if rooting hormone works on your pennies, what will happen is, they will grow roots(feet). there's only one thing i can see happening after that... your money disappearing.

Lola, several weeks from now will be heard saying...
"it's like all my money just grew legs and walked away???"

had to say it:stoned:

Happy Friday the 13th!:wtf:

ROFL....it took me a minute...but I'm definitely laughing my ass off.... Next time, gonna try it on $100 bills, see if I can make a money tree,...haha

Happy Friday the 13th to you too....I knew there was a reason I shouldn't have left the house today!!! Went to CandyLand & bought a couple pounds of candy for Dad to give to Mommy Dearest...when I got there they were all out of candy, but when they heard I drove 30 miles to get candy, they made up a box.

Went to the jewelry story that is run by old high school buddy today while waiting for candy.....Got all my Tanzanite rings cleaned for free....Gotta love old high school buddies!

Weezard
02-13-2009, 11:36 PM
sorry hon, im about to blo holes thru your theory.:wtf:

if rooting hormone works on your pennies, what will happen is, they will grow roots(feet). there's only one thing i can see happening after that... your money disappearing.

Lola, several weeks from now will be heard saying...
"it's like all my money just grew legs and walked away???"

had to say it:stoned:

Happy Friday the 13th!:wtf:

Humph!
No so.
Dat be fo' roots not foots.

Fo' foots, you use KY an' Desenex!
(No fo'get da odor sock)

When da penny bush is ripe, I gonna he'p wit' da harvest.
What a lovely cent dey has.:twocents:

l8r:smokin:
Weeze

LolaGal
02-13-2009, 11:36 PM
ALolaha

Let me be the first E-friend to wish you a happy V-day.:)
Get 2 snickers bars and send me da bill.:D

Things are lookin much mo' betta here, medically speaking.
So I thought I'd share da happy.

Cheers
Weeze


Glad to hear it Weez! Thanks & happy Valentine's Day to ya'll too! Anytime you wanna visit the Bluegrass State let me know!

LolaGal
02-13-2009, 11:39 PM
glad to be back lola. thanks.

i'll send ya a case of snickers. (i need to go to sams anyway!)

good to hear things are getting better on your end weezard. i still have some catching up to do, but i got that your wife was in the hospital. sorry to hear that. hope all is getting better!

-shake

Thanks for the offer 'Shake! How's things going up your way??