Plant problems AGAIN!

[sirshamus]

Hello everyone, need a little diagnosis. Am growing in ocean forest under a 600 hps. Temps are between 76-80, humidity staying between 60-70%. Transplanted into 3 gallon pots about 5 or so weeks ago. The girls are into their 19th day of 12/12. Fed them first time in flower with plain water, then 2 tsp of bigbloom and onetsp of tiger bloom(started looking shitty). Next water was water with black strap 1tsp. Then another dose of the nutes at the same strength, and then water again with molasses. A lot of leaves look like crap on this girl, only a few burnt leaves on the others, nothing as bad as this one. Any help would be appreciated. Hope I included enough info. Thanks for looking. First pic is of some of the garden, 2-4 problematic plant, and pic 5 is the top flower of the problem child. Have looked for pests, but haven't noticed any.

[Rusty Trichome]

Have you flushed at all? FF does accumulate salts in the soil, so I flush with plain-ph'd water, about once a month.
How often are you giving the nutes? Have you seen the FF nute guide for soil...?
FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company (http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/feedingfox.html)

Personally, I give half of the micro's (Big Bloom) that they recommend, and the ladies appear to appreciate it very much. Also...until you get used to identifying and solving issues...would eliminate the molasses. Adding it to stressed ladies, stresses them more.

[stinkyattic]

I agree with Rusty that it is soil salting. The V-shaped pattern of damage is classic.
Next watering should be at 1/4 strength, REALLY heavy like a mini-flush, so that a bunch of crap washes out the bottom of the pots. Get in the habit of alternating feed and plain water given to the point of runoff to avoid this.

[sirshamus]

Haven't flushed since before I transplanted them. When I water them, I let water fill the saucer underneath about half way, should I be watering them where the water can just run out and not in the saucer. I have looked at the FF soild guide online and not even given the strength they suggest. Oops, just watered last night with molasses.. You guys think I should flush them with plain ph'd water tonight? How much water do you flush them with, a shit load? Thanks for checking in on me and was hoping you two would chime in.

[Rusty Trichome]

I'd flush well...and I'd do it tonite if possible. :thumbsup:

Using the FF line, I flush monthly (or so) with about twice the volume of the pot, with properly ph'd water. (6 gallons of water per 3 gallon pot) For the last little bit of the flush, I add about a quart of the properly mixed nutrient solution (Tiger Bloom) to keep 'em happy till next week's feeding.

With this flush tho...I'd avoid giving more nutes. Let her rest a bit.

Allow the medium to dry-out before any other waterings/feedings, or conditions that cause root rot could develop. (prolonged soaking is bad)

Also...be careful adjusting the nutrient ratio to the dosages listed on the FF website. Try and sneak-up on the max to avoid nute burn. :jointsmile:

If you could let us know the results, I'd appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[sirshamus]

Will do on that flush tonight. You have any suggestions on a different line of nutes?

[sirshamus]

did the flush, 6 gallon per with a hint of tiger in the last gallon. Will let you know how they look. Thanks Rusty and Stinky.

[wayward]

there's a way to grow where you won't experience this kind of problem. what you have there is fert burn. you've ferted them without knowing whether it was too much, not enough, or just right. there's a way you can prevent this kind of thing from happening and you'll take all the guesswork out of growing. the method is this - don't try to do anything special. just get some Foxfarm Fruit and Flower powdered fert at your grow store and put two cups of it in a five gallon container and mix well, then put your plants in that and just water them when their thirsty. That will solve 99% percent of your feeding issues. You won't have to worry about salt build up. People make too much out of growing. It's just a plant. Don't do anything special and you'll have better grows.

[sirshamus]

Thanks for your input, wayward. Will look into that, next time I'm at the hydro store.

[Rusty Trichome]

Will do on that flush tonight. You have any suggestions on a different line of nutes?

Nope...FF is a solid line of nutes, in my opinion. As with any nute or additive...you have to get used to making adjustments. Shouldn't take ya too long to find a balance.

My only beef with FF is the salt build-up, but monthly flushes fixes that issue. Anyway...I always do regular flushes, regardless of whether it's TriFlex, Fox Farms, or Advanced Nutrients. (altho, for the price...Advanced Nutrients should really flush itself, and have a pop-up indicator when it's time to harvest, lol.)

And wayward...why would sirshamus need to go out and buy more nutes...? He has a fine product already, and I really don't get what your technique is supposed to accompolish, other than root rot. But perhaps It's just too early, lol.

[wayward]

There won't be root rot. It's just growing in a pot with ferts and soil, but what you do is put adequate fert in the pot and never add anything else later. This is the problem people keep running into. I know this cuz I used to be one of those people. Then somebody told me to just put this fert in the container and leave the plant alone, just give water when necessary, and it worked better than any other method of fertilizing. I kept feeding different ferts not really knowing what I was doing. I was just guessing. I was guessing wrong.

[Rusty Trichome]

Personally...I don't advocate doing it that way unless you have a full understanding of phases of plant development, the consequences and of course...troubleshooting.
I much prefer to have control over what's going in, than to slam all those nutes in at once, and hope for the right balance and stability of the nutes themselves.

Altho I know there are others that use a variation of this method, I'd still love to see your process and results. Why not just get Miracle Grow Potting Soil, lol?
Would sure love to see your growlog, to witness your method in action...but in another post I believe you mentioned something about how useless grow logs are, so I guess we're gonna have to take your word for it. Oh well.

[sirshamus]

Will let you know on an update. That flushing makes sense. Has happened to me twice at around the same time, initial plant and transplant. Think I learned something valuable for my next run. Thank you, sensi.

[wayward]

what I said was my grow log doesn't exist. Don't keep one; no need to, for me or anyone else. Here we go again with you applying a spin on what you read from me. I think you're insane. By the way, just because your doctor recommended you smoke weed, don't think that's a good thing. The only reason a doctor would do that is because they've given up on you. And if you want to discuss past posts, you made a statement a long time ago that said you knew my original post wasn't designed to upset anyone. So I ask you again, why do you give me so much resistance, if you knew? Also I'd like to know why you call my method "slamming ferts." Do you think anything different takes place in nature? It's in the dirt already.

[Rusty Trichome]

what I said was my grow log doesn't exist. Don't keep one; no need to, for me or anyone else. Here we go again with you applying a spin on what you read from me. I think you're insane. By the way, just because your doctor recommended you smoke weed, don't think that's a good thing. The only reason a doctor would do that is because they've given up on you.
Guess it's a bit difficult posting a growlog of a non-existant grow, huh?
Wow...what an immature little prick. Someone challenges your technique, and you pick your usual response. Don't get me wrong...I'm not slamming your knowlege...just your lack of it.

Next time you feel the need to tell us what we do and don't need...go fingerfuck yourself and think seriously about the fact that you keep calling everyone else insane, when you are evidentally a few grams short of a full harvest, and from what I've seen...your only purpose is to antagonize.

Below was the post I was referencing: (link included, as the entire topic is typical wayward)
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/156722-my-grow-log.html

My grow log doesn't exist. I don't keep one. I don't understand the need for one unless you're a breeder, so I just don't do that.

I have researched the web I don't see anything that says Superthrive is full of urea. Unless somebody can show me how it is, I'm going to think it isn't.

I've noticed that the "All you need is here" thread had several hundred views but very few people have responded. There's a few who think I'm an asshole and rude and whatnot, but I'm wondering about everyone else. Hopefully there's some people out there who get what I'm saying. It's not a new method and it may not even be a better method but it works and it's simple.

I used to know somebody who grew a thousand indoor plants. She was also stoned all day, every day, and became very difficult to get along with. She had so much memory loss and confusion, she left a table saw out in the rain ruining it because she forgot she moved it outside....

Thanks however, for pointing out that not only do you not need a growlog, we all don't need one either. Great...all that knowlege, all that work, all those techniques...guess we just need to delete that section of the cannabis grow forums, huh? Anything else you'd like to change in here...we'll all get right on it.



And if you want to discuss past posts, you made a statement a long time ago that said you knew my original post wasn't designed to upset anyone. So I ask you again, why do you give me so much resistance, if you knew? Also I'd like to know why you call my method "slamming ferts." Do you think anything different takes place in nature? It's in the dirt already.
You jump in with a desire to change everyone elses grow, yet you show no proof of your experience and truthfully...perhaps I just don't like you, your posting style, and your attitude. Doesn't much matter any more...likely either I'll put you back on ignore, or just follow along, correcting your mistakes as you go. :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

if I read your posts correctly, you are watering until the water sits in the bottom saucer ? ... that's a no-no, the soil must be able to completely drain, and dry between waterings ... good luck :jointsmile:

[sirshamus]

Yeah, I was watering until water came out of the pots and filled the saucer about half way. It would be sucked up by the next time I checked on them and I let them dry out before next watering. Sometimes, maybe too long in between waterings cause the soil is bone dry. So, I shouldn't water until I have some runoff into the saucer? Thanks guys!

[stinkyattic]

Shamus! That is your problem right there! I'm so glad you added that part where yousay the water gets sucked back up! All the crap in the saucer is stuff the plant didn't use, and honestly doesn't want. When you go out for BBQ, do you save the pile of bones for your next meal? Nope! They're extra, and you don't need them, and eating all the bones would give you kidney stones anyway! Your plants also don't use everything in their food, and it just runs out the bottom of the pot every time you water heavily- which is GOOD by the way to do on a schedule like RT says, especially with a fert that can be a bit on the 'salty' side- so now we can get you fixed up right.

Put something else under your plants, like broken pieces of brick or scrap wood, in the saucers and put the pots ON that. Never let the plant suck up its own waste water. Keep them up out of the waste and you will see that you have no problems with salting any more.

As for that last post by wayward in regards to a subject with is SOLELY between Rusty Trichome and his physician, unless he CHOOSES to discuss it with the COMPASSIONATE membership- buddy, you just went from a 3 month ban for the insult to the community at large to a permanent one for your profound lack of respect for the well-being of others. This community is obviously not a home for you. Go find another one. I'm disgusted by your insensitivity, not to mention mildly amused by your stupid advice.

[Rusty Trichome]

Put something else under your plants, like broken pieces of brick or scrap wood, in the saucers and put the pots ON that. Never let the plant suck up its own waste water. Keep them up out of the waste and you will see that you have no problems with salting any more.

Been doing that for about 6 months now...no rocks in the pot, but under it, in the drip-tray. More room for soil, and easier to see exactly when/if water comes out of the bottom. And since the tray isn't attached to pot, easier to empty if gets too much in it.

Thanks stinky...I can't afford another point, and was starting to get pissed.
Sorry for the disturbance, SirShamus. But hopefully your ladies are back on track. :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

No worries. I mean, that crap was worth reporting but I know how hesitant growers are to drop the dime lol. I hate seeing haters come on here acting like it's no big thing to be sick and need the weed, and not 'real', and treating normal folks like a bunch of stoner kids smoking behind the dumpster out back of the gas station... I mean, please. Respect. :mad:

[sirshamus]

I agree Stinky, don't worry bout it Rusty. I was just entertaining his suggestion since he chimed in, wasn't gonna take his advice. That totally makes sense on the "suck-up", glad I totally let them drain on their flush. I have learned so much from all of you guys that have helped me, my next grow will be killer, hopefully. I will be trying some bubbledust, as long as it makes it here. And, I have done away with the old school cloning with a humidity dome with rapid rooters, got an aeroponic mister. Clones popped roots out in 6 days, those clones were even from flower, I was impressed since I only had one surive out of like 10 from the old school method.

[Rusty Trichome]

Sir...I forwarded your inquiry to stinky...perhaps she can help. In the mean time...check your run-off ph on the plant with the yellowing. Releasing the salts can change the soil chemistry.

But if indeed you have been properly banned, I'll have to respect that ban. Good luck with your appeal. :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

I'm looking into the ban and suspect it is something to do with fallout from another banned member who was using a popular proxy and took some other people out with him.
Sirshamus, if you see this, please email me and the mod who banned you, and let us know what's up.

[stinkyattic]

Okay you're reinstated, and I am passing along apologies as well. Seeya soon.

[Rusty Trichome]

Any updates...?

[sirshamus]

Sorry Rusty, been lazy. Posted a few pics in the grow section. Think everything is cool, fan leaves are yellowing on the one that had the salt build up the worst, but doesn't look like anymore brown spotting. I have started watering them in the tub so they arent soaking up all runoff and letting them drain till no drip and putting back in the tent. I think they are doing well, but i'm also a noob, lol. Hope you find my thread I started with the pics.

[Rusty Trichome]

Glad to hear they're doing better. :thumbsup: