White Widow cabinet grow

[PlainJane]

Well, I figure it's time I start a log.

I bought Feminised White Widow seeds and put 4 seeds into "Root Riot" organic starter cubes. When the first baby popped up I proudly started this (http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/161947-look-little-bitty-sprout.html) thread.

Out of those 4 seeds I got 5 babies. (Photos in the linked thread) I had to separate them and they seem to be fine but the 5th one is a bit of a runt. We'll see what happens.

This is the cabinet:

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I have 4 passive intakes and a 130cfm (I think) extraction with carbon scrubber. So far so good there but things tend to be on the warmer side There is a 10ºc difference between the room temp and cabinet temp. It is often 28-30ºc inside (that's 82-86ºf) but it's just going to have to do for now. Hopefully they like it warm, they're going to have to. It's around 65% humidity in there.

I'm using a 250w HPS for the entire grow. I know it's not the ideal but it's what I'm doing for now. I might get CFLs or Metal Halide for veg sometime in the future. They are on 18/6 right now.

They are in "Canna Terra professional plus" soil and have had no nutes yet. The seeds only went in starter cubes for germination 13 days ago, so they've only had their heads out for about 10ish. When should they ideally have nutes? Should they have a few more leaves? I have Bio Bizz organic 8-2-6 and an additional insanely high Nitrogen feed 25-15-15 but it makes me nervous.

Without further ado, here is a photo from today:

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Note that the "shorter" ones were the two that came from one seed and had to be separated. I was able to bury them deeper in the pots than the others, who stretched up a bit craving the light. None of them have gotten rapidly taller since I gave them a bit more light, just leafier.

The leaves are green but are turned downward slightly, is that OK? I am definitely not over-watering, it's well dry before I do that.

I'm wondering if I should pull the HPS closer to them:

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[Dutch Pimp]

I use weak-ass T-12 floro tubes (2-3 inches away) for the first 1-3 weeks. The 250 HPS light might be too close now. IMO.

[Puffzter]

Only danger with the light would be heat and if its not over 86ish degrees at the seedlings they are fine from that anyway. :)

As they go into veg they grow just fine even a tad warmer than that. I was on about 90-91 for a while with my WWs and the were still growing mad.
Same with nutes, they can take more than you think but ofc you have to be careful when they are so small.

More White Widow for the people!

Good luck with your project

Puffzter

[Dutch Pimp]

The HPS light is probably causing the stretching. It's not the ideal spectrum for veg. An HPS bulb with blue added would have helped...a lot. More blue light helps a lot in the veg cycle. IMO. HPS is great for flowering.

The veg cycle...is about growing roots. IMO

White Widows RULE...:jointsmile:

[PlainJane]

^ ^ thank you both.

Dutch Pimp, what do you mean HPS with blue added? (the Googles, they did not help :p) Because if this is a cheap easy thing to sort it out, I'm there! Since that's seldom the case consider my breath not held.

If I had my way I'd have done a few things differently but I couldn't really afford to have it entirely my way this time round. Justifying the grow budget to the husband was a bit of a bugger really and he started to get shirty when I wanted all this extra shit, so HPS it had to be. It was a peace-keeping thing if I'm honest. :rasta:


I'm very glad to hear that white widow is such a sturdy variety because a total nOOb is at the helm.

[Puffzter]

The HPS light is probably causing the stretching. It's not the ideal spectrum for veg. An HPS bulb with blue added would have helped...a lot. More blue light helps a lot in the veg cycle. IMO. HPS is great for flowering.

The veg cycle...is about growing roots. IMO

White Widows RULE...:jointsmile:

Actually this is a truth that needs some modification.
There are blue light in all HPS's just not that much if counted in % of the total output.
So lets play around with some numbers a bit nothing will be on target or actual numbers to use for anything other than comparison.

Lets say you have a HPS that gives you 50000 lumens and only 20% of that is emitted as blue light. That still beats the crap out of a CFL with 80% blue light that would give you 15-20K lumens because the plants don't ONLY use blue light while in veg.
The HPS in itself will not make your plants stretch. Low lumens will though.
These plants were vegged with a flower spectrum HPS by the way.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/e150fbde.jpg
I have a veg specific CFL but it didn't stand a chance in hell against the HPS.

I would say that generally it's all about the lumens if you experience stretching that is not coded in the genetics of the plant. That if the color of the light is in the neighbourhood of what it should be ofc.

Imho her flouro tube will be outmatched many many MANY times by her 250W HPS even if it is a pure flower spectrum and save her 1-2 weeks on veg to lets say 15 inches well developed plants.

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

Sorry was a bit late in editing so have to split posts.
This is a clone from one of the above plants so same genetics that on the picture had been in vegetative growth 3 days less than the HPS vegged plant under a pure veg CFL 125W.
It started as a plant instead of a sprouting seedling so it even had a head start.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0590.jpg

Same nutes, same medium etc etc. Only difference the light.

Puffzter

[Dutch Pimp]

Dutch Pimp, what do you mean HPS with blue added? (the Googles, they did not help ) Because if this is a cheap easy thing to sort it out, I'm there! Since that's seldom the case consider my breath not held.


EYE Hortilux Super HPS (http://www.eyehortilux.com/superhps.html)


Hortilux bulbs have blue added...more than standard HPS bulbs. Something to remember ...next grow....:thumbsup:...(not cheap, sorry)

[PlainJane]

Thank you both again. Good info and very helpful.

The bulb is a "250w Osram Vialox Nav-T Super Son-T Plus 4Y", which apparently has 33,000 lumens. (That seems good.)

They appear to have stopped stretching up so much for the light since I brought the light down closer a few days back but the leaves are slightly turned under. (like the photo from yesterday) They are green and soft and still growing lovely leafiness. The soil dries out shockingly fast, maybe in my fears of over-watering I am under-watering. It's totally dry to the touch an inch or two in after 24 hours so I've been watering once per day. Hmmm, maybe a re-potting is in order soon.

Oh the first grow... the love and anxiety! :stoned:

[Dutch Pimp]

The soil dries out shockingly fast, maybe in my fears of over-watering I am under-watering. It's totally dry to the touch an inch or two in after 24 hours so I've been watering once per day. Hmmm, maybe a re-potting is in order soon.


1. Get a cheap moisture meter, with 8 inch probe. Three possible readings-Wet/Moist/Dry. Water when DRY...at the bottom. IMO.

2. Repot, when rootbound. IMO.

ps...I use a hand spray bottle, to keep top of the soil moist, during veg cycle.

[PlainJane]

I had a bit of plant crisis, which I hope I've seen the last of. (One can hope. ;)) The leaves starting looking rather sad and droopy and less green. Neither watering more nor watering less seemed to help the droop. I tried pulling the HPS up a bit in case it was light stress. Nope. I decided to re-pot. I don't know if they were technically root-bound but I did see roots which had formed circularly at the bottom of the pot. It wasn't horrific but it didn't seem good and it was definitely time. Worryingly a couple of the roots looked very slightly fuzzy so I am really hoping I don't have a root-rot problem. If so, what can be done?

By the way, it's staying at around 29ºc (84ºf) and 65% humidity in there. I am learning what their new watering schedule will be in these new pots. They were watered a couple days ago when I repotted monday and seemed to be almost dry now. Bloody delicate balancing act this watering stuff.

When they seem a bit healthier I was thinking it might be time for light nutes.

They've been in their new pots for 2 days and are improving slowly. Their growth seems significantly stunted from all this.

This is day 20 since I put the seeds in cubes. So it's about day 15-ish since they've seen light.

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And that little one in the middle is the bonus twin from "Marge". I still can't believe 5 plants have sprouted from 4 seeds. That one at the front right was the last to pop its head up too, the one I almost gave up on. These plants are full of surprises.

[Puffzter]

Sounds like a possible pH problem to me.
Do you have that under control?

Puffzter

[PlainJane]

Sounds like a possible pH problem to me.
Do you have that under control?

Puffzter

My pH meter is kind of crappy, (one of these (http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/nav.jsp?isSearch=true&fh_search=ph+moisture&selected=products&x=20&y=2)) I should have bought digital and I might do. The pointer stays right in the middle of 7. I suppose that makes it a max of 7.5. The run-off water is slightly lower, about 7.2 I'd say.

If this is enough of a problem I can buy some phosphoric acid and lower it a bit. I didn't know it would be so picky.

[chongman420]

I bought Feminised White Widow seeds and put 4 seeds into "Root Riot" organic starter cubes. When the first baby popped up I proudly started this (http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/161947-look-little-bitty-sprout.html) thread.

Out of those 4 seeds I got 5 babies. (Photos in the linked thread) I had to separate them and they seem to be fine but the 5th one is a bit of a runt. We'll see what happens.


How did you get 5 plants out of 4 seeds? Sounds like you found a way to clone seeds! :thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

You should lose the drip trays on the bottom of the pots. Water will not drain from pots enough. I drill extra large holes in my pots too.

[LuciferN]

Nice start, I'll be following this log !

[PlainJane]

Thanks LuciferN.


How did you get 5 plants out of 4 seeds? Sounds like you found a way to clone seeds! :thumbsup:
No idea. I put one seed in a starter cube and it had "two heads". I separated them out after about a week.


You should lose the drip trays on the bottom of the pots. Water will not drain from pots enough. I drill extra large holes in my pots too.
I think that would get a bit messy with no drip trays. I never leave any water in them though. When water drains from the pots I dump it out immediately so it doesn't just soak. A few drips always remain but nothing obscene.

Good idea about putting more or larger holes in. I might just do that. :thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

I think that would get a bit messy with no drip trays. I never leave any water in them though. When water drains from the pots I dump it out immediately so it doesn't just soak. A few drips always remain but nothing obscene.



I understand. At least make sure there is some kind of space between the pots and the drip tray. Most pots/drip trays are snapped together. That is too close.

[PlainJane]

I understand. At least make sure there is some kind of space between the pots and the drip tray. Most pots/drip trays are snapped together. That is too close.

Those kind are rubbish. Who thought that was a good idea? Certainly no proper growers. :rastasmoke:

The pots have itty bitty "legs" which prop it up a bit. If it ever gets too close I'll get those pots in "heels", in a manner of speaking.

[Dutch Pimp]

Those kind are rubbish. Who thought that was a good idea? Certainly no proper growers. :rastasmoke:

The pots have itty bitty "legs" which prop it up a bit. If it ever gets too close I'll get those pots in "heels", in a manner of speaking.

I constantly under estimate you....:D...enjoy.

I love talking to people across the big pond.

[dooobster]

Hey PlainJane, looks like this is gonna be an awesome grow.
I love your cabinet... Very nice setup. Clean, too!
I'm

[dooobster]

Hey PlainJane, sorry I'm late!
Looks like this is gonna be an awesome grow.
I love your cabinet... Very nice setup. Clean, too!
I'm pulling up a chair. Best of luck for some ladies!:rastasmoke:

Sorry about the double-post... Stoner fingers. :jointsmile:

[PlainJane]

Thanks guys. :hippy:

I had a bad feeling my pH meter was more than just a piece of junk so I decided to stick it in pure vinegar, and wouldn't you know it, that useless POS read "7". Bullshit! So if it wasn't broken before I think it's safe to say that it is now. I went and got some bottled water for them until I my new pH meter arrives and I can figure out what the hell is going on with my water. :detective1:

Here are a few photos from today

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(I tried to correct the colour balance, taking photos under and HPS always makes things look weird)

The leaves are still looking droopy and "Lisa" (front right) still looks like hell. Her leaves have an almost purple hue to them. I took a whiff to make sure I didn't smell mould and I don't smell any, but for the first time I did smell a subtle but distinct aroma of weed. :rastasmoke:

The leaves don't feel too soft or too stiff and do feel a bit dry at the edges. Is there a specific way they feel that would indicate over or under watering?

Another sort of dumb question, I have a fan blowing over the tops of them 24/7, it's not excessively windy but that couldn't be contributing to their curling leaves, could it? It's a bit hot in there and I don't want them to scorch and I know it's good for the strength of the stems. (at the plant level it is about 30ºc, by the way)

[PlainJane]

I re-potted the "baby" because I didn't want it to get root-bound like the others. The roots did reach the bottom of the pot and all looked well. The others seem to be coming around even since that photo this morning. I took one photo of the little "star" of the bunch outside of the HPS so the colour wouldn't be all ballsed up. I like how it turned out:

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And the whole fam:

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[PlainJane]

They got their first nutes (just under half strength) on sunday. I'm easing them in. They seem to love it, they've gotten a lot bigger even in just the last 24 hours. The little one didn't get any though, too small.

They have signs of slight heat stress (leaves curled up a bit) which I only just now figured out was the result of the position of one of my fans. I thought that a fan blowing upward at the HPS would help cool but it basically just funnelled hot air at them. Duh. :o Not having that fan on took the temp down by a couple of degrees. It's still warm (28-29ºc) but they're going to have to deal with it and I think they can. By the way, the heat stress signs were showing before the nutes so it isn't that, and they're looking better since I fixed that fan problem.

appx 25 Days since germination:

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And as for getting them used to nutes, which is better? Smaller amounts of nutes each watering or larger amounts every other watering? I suppose the plants will let me know one way or another but any insight is appreciated.

I have BioBizz Grow, which is 8 (N) 2 (P) 6 (K)

[Shovelhandle]

Looking fine jane.

For soil I suggest a water-water-feed schedule. Nutes every third watering.

[PlainJane]

Looking fine jane.

For soil I suggest a water-water-feed schedule. Nutes every third watering.

Thanks. :)

Would you be able to elaborate on whether or not this is your recommendation for a nute schedule now (as in while they're still "young") or for the entire grow? So you think every other watering is excessive?

[Dutch Pimp]

Looking fine jane.

For soil I suggest a water-water-feed schedule. Nutes every third watering.

I agree. I follow that schedule the whole grow.

[Treetops]

My pH meter is kind of crappy, (one of these (http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/nav.jsp?isSearch=true&fh_search=ph+moisture&selected=products&x=20&y=2)) I should have bought digital and I might do. The pointer stays right in the middle of 7. I suppose that makes it a max of 7.5. The run-off water is slightly lower, about 7.2 I'd say.

If this is enough of a problem I can buy some phosphoric acid and lower it a bit. I didn't know it would be so picky.

Plain Jane,

Spend the few coin, and buy one of these...I'm always lookin for good but inexpensive meters...this has worked well for me...Your "kids" are lookin great...nice cab as well..

Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

TDS-4 Pocket-Size Meter - HM Digital (http://www.tdsmeter.com/products/tds4.html)

[PlainJane]

And here I had it in my mind all along that every other watering was totally the norm. Cheers guys. :thumbsup:


I'm trying not to be too fussy with them and just letting them do their thing. I had a brief moment of considering FIMing them but I just don't want to, it seems like a cruel thing to do to a plant. :o They're bushy little buggers as it is. I hope I don't end up wishing I'd done something about that later on. This is their amount of grow space:

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This is them today:

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Peek-a-boo!

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Plain Jane,

Spend the few coin, and buy one of these...I'm always lookin for good but inexpensive meters...this has worked well for me...Your "kids" are lookin great...nice cab as well..

Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

TDS-4 Pocket-Size Meter - HM Digital (http://www.tdsmeter.com/products/tds4.html)
Thank you and thanks for the recommendation. I got a different digital one already and for truly accurate readings the damned thing needs calibration and fluids for doing that which I don't have. It's always something. I REALLY wish I had just gotten a manual pH testing system and done it cheap and old school. Indicator, test tube, water, shake, compare the colours. Live and learn. :smokin:

[jakezking]

PJ, I am a clean freak - at least my kids would say so - and I am seriously impressed by your cab; it flippin' ROCKS! I am glad to see your lil' ladies flourishing so well. It seems like you have everything under control - good lighting, good ventilation, good air movement, good soil, good nutes, soon to be diagnosed good water, and last but not least good plants (I've seen plenty of White Widows on here, and I can't wait to get an indoor setup so I can start up more variety to include some WWs!).

The only thing I see that may help a bit with the runt is to replant it so its head sticks above the rim of the pot. I had an issue with some peppers I'm growing - the stagnant air below the rim of the pot was stunting their growth. As soon as I added more soil to their pot to boost them above the rim, they really took off. Your fan(s) may alleviate this issue, but I thought I'd comment on it. The best piece of advice I can give you is to relax and enjoy the grow; your plants look amazing, and you will have a great deal of fun with them and your amazing cab.

I'm looking forward to following your WWs on to harvest! Be good out there!

[Treetops]

Yeah, I did the test tube routine thing as well...the TDS meter was a step up for me....Dont hesitate to get the calibration fluids it makes life much easier....

[Puffzter]

I would be careful letting them "grow as they please".

If your WW's are any like mine they will triple in height the first 3-4 weeks of 12/12.
I grew one FIMd and 4 "grow as you please" plants and the unFIMd ones took off like rockets. Seed grown WW's has to be kept on a leach indoors so at least keep it in mind before you switch them to 12/12.
I started to take action a bit late and had to get really rough with them to keep them from growing through the floor of my upstairs neighbour :D

Now I don't know what genetics your WWs are etc so it might not be as big of a problem with yours as with my Dutch Passion WWs, just keep a close eye on them and don't veg them more than 1/3 of the height you can take them in your cabinet if you are gonna grow them freely. And keep the lights as close to them as possible at all times. hehe.

Cheers
Puffzter

[PlainJane]

Cheers guys! All noted. :)

Puffzter, I know yours got/are really unruly and I'm admittedly nervous about that, especially as these are Dutch Passion Fem seeds as well. Well, I'm nervous in a very exciting way. It's a fun prospect, big lovely plants. If mine turn out a quarter as lovely as yours did I'll be ecstatic.

Would you recommend I start something now to keep them under control? I think it may be too late for LST, the main stems are pretty sturdy on all but the "twin" runt. I could FIM or top one of them I suppose or maybe start LST on the runt, but I'm hung up on FIMming being stressful, especially as it's a bit of a warm grow (29ºc most of the time) and I'm concerned it would herm on me, or I'd fucking miss my FIM. :upsidedow

[Puffzter]

Aah.
You do have Dutch passion WWs as well. hehe.
Well then you are in for a ride just as me. These WWs will not hermi on your ass very easilly. I treated my ladies like shit for a period breaking the stems to make them grow in a "Z" to ease the stretch as well as a small light leak from a intake close to plant 4 and whatever I have done to them I havent gotten a single ball on them. The genetics is super.

And don't worry about FIM. Worst case you miss and get a topped plant instead, no big deal.
Also you can LST the top of the plants to get some lower branches to form into stems. The plants always concider the highest branch as the main stem so if you can get the top lower than the second highest branches for a while they will form robust stems.

Now I am not an expert nor am I manager of your op so you have to make a plan for yourself I'm just nudging you to be prepared for what's to come. :)
It is just an amazing thing to see them take off but it can get scary after a while. Another thing to concider is that they don' shift to flowering until 7-10 days after you switch to 12/12 so when lets say you wanna veg to 40cm you need to switch 12/12 at around 33-35cm.
A Dutch Passion WW grown like that untrained will become around 120-140cm tall if well lit. Not well lit it might be more and then it wont keep itself up since the stems and branches become too thin and stretched.

And tall plants are only a problem if you don't have space for it so it might not be a problem at all for you. Just sending some of the data I have collected your way since I now know we are growing the exact same strain. :D

Puffzter

[PlainJane]

Thank you Puffzter, very helpful info and very appreciated. :)

[Dutch Pimp]

Puffzter speaks the truth...:thumbsup:


I like to grow my widows..tall and top heavy...4.5 feet tall. I got the height (room)....and the light.

[PlainJane]

So they are a month old today. Something a bit strange is happening and I'm not sure if I should worry or not. They seem to be remarkably droopy in the evenings a few hours before their light goes out. A couple hours after they "wake up" in the morning they seem more perky. Is this normal?

One of them, probably the biggest one, seems to take it the hardest, really droopy. Her leaves are also a lighter green than the others with some yellowing of the lower leaves. Thinking this is a Nitrogen deficiency I gave her a tiny dose of nutes, like a small snack before her proper meal. It helped green her back up a tiny bit overnight but she's still a bit sallow. I almost think I UNDERnuted them last time and I'll be less of a pansy the next time.

They also seem to be growing more at night now when they used to grow more during lights on. Is this an indication of anything one way or the other?

Here are photos. One from last night with them looking rather flaccid and sad, and another looking slightly better this morning.

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By the way, my pH was slightly high and I'm guessing that's what some of those spots on them are. (Or maybe splash, sometimes you can't avoid it when you water) I've lowered the pH for them by means of phosphoric acid. It was 7.3-ish and I'm watering them now at 6.7-6.8 and that is what their run-off water is reading as well.

[hydrocannabis]

hell yah. woo hoo they all look great.

[PlainJane]

Right, so I found out that the drooping in the evening is pretty normal but things didn't seem right so I re-potted them. It looks like they needed it.

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[PlainJane]

They seem much happier now.

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[hydrocannabis]

there looken great. so what size of bigger pot did U move then up to.
:D

[PlainJane]

Cheers, hydrocannabis, I'm not 100% sure of the volume of the pots, it's not listed. They are about 10"x10" and about 7 litre/2 gallon, I imagine.



I potted up the runt because I hope to get them all into flower within the next couple of weeks. I'm going by the size of the largest of them, the runt will have to cope. They are getting bigger and bushier and it is great fun to open the cabinet every morning with a "wow".

Here they are this morning:

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And a shot from yesterday of one of them out from under the strange light of the HPS:

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[hydrocannabis]

wow look at how much they have grow in 5 days. cant wate to see em flowering.

[MistaJ]

Hey PJ,

What nute feeding schedule did you decide on then with the bio grow? 1 in every 2 or 3? Loving the names you have given them as well!!

Plants are looking real nice!!

Cheers.

[Puffzter]

Sorry for having been a bit inactive latelly Jane.
Been quite buzy harvesting and setting up for next grow here. :)
The girls are looking really nice :)
Gonna give you some nice smoke, in fact just the kind I am lighting....right now here. :P

Puff Puff

[PlainJane]

I completely understand, Puffzter. :rastasmoke:


Hey PJ,

What nute feeding schedule did you decide on then with the bio grow? 1 in every 2 or 3? Loving the names you have given them as well!!

Plants are looking real nice!!

Cheers.
I've been a bit disorganised with it, if I'm honest. I was doing a water-water-feed but there was a time they got it early so it turned into water-feed-water. I have been going with what the plants want (they show you signs of what they need) until I get a better feel for it. Since there are so many varied opinions on what is best for a plant and still good results in those varied ways I don't think it makes a huge difference unless you are going to extremes. I think what works for one person and their plants may or may not for another. I could never work out if it was better to give smaller doses every watering or more every other or what. I'm too new and too confused to be strict on that so I'm just going with it, that flow. :jointsmile:




They are getting big and I need to get them into flower. I potted them up last night (into 30cm/12" pots, approx 11 litre/2.5 gallon) and ran into a big problem, literally. I do not have enough room for 5 large pots in there. :buzz_saw:
I had to leave the runt/twin in the smaller pot with a smaller tray and prop it up, and I am still having a hard time closing the door. It's crammed! Thank feck I fitted magnetic latches to the doors when this thing was built. I never wanted or expected to have 5 plants. I thought planting 4 seeds would give me 4 plants, if I was lucky. Realistically this cabinet is really only suitable for 3. We'll see what happens. I plan to 12/12 them in 3-4 days because I am not sure I can even wait the typical ideal of 7-10 days after their pot-up.

They got 2ml per litre of BioBizz Grow and 1 teaspoon of molasses per litre too. The thirsty bitches were breaking my back lugging them and that slosh around.

Here they are this morning:

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I know it's too soon to tell but is this a promising sign of a female or have I been staring too long at nothing?

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[PlainJane]

On Sunday I put these big bitches on 12/12. I have lost a few tips of fan leaves to the door, which is incredibly difficult to shut. I can't spare an inch in there. 3 is the max that cabinet can comfortably take. Their roots are already poking out of the bottom of these new pots so I do hope root growth slows as its supposed to in flower because they are bloody well staying in those pots.

Last night when the lights went out one of them grew over an inch because when the lights came on it had hit the reflector hood.

Here is is that one:

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And

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They got a watering I got a back-ache.

[Puffzter]

You just wait for the stretch you will get after you switch to 12/12. Hell will break loose for a couple of weeks. :P
Roots will slow right down though.
Looking really good Jane. Nice cabinet grow you've got going there.

I have butter simmering on the stove here by the way. :) I'll let you know how our Dutch Passion WW's are for baking. Thinking Blueberry muffins or something like that. Hi hi. It might be ready for a test batch late tonight already.

[PlainJane]

Puffzter, hehe, that sounds lovely!

Oh and I meant that I did switch them on sunday (technically saturday night) so they've had their first 12 light and 12 dark already, and this is their second 12 hours of daytime right now. Last night that one shot up by about an inch, maybe even 2. I couldn't believe it when I opened it up this morning. I am prepared to feel a slight panic when they stretch way up. :D

[Puffzter]

Ah ok. Thought you were about to switch this sunday.
Well then it has started, It will keep on for 2-3 weeks then slow down and you will get a small period again for a couple of days a week later or so. I got about 1 metre growth during those stretch periods.
After that they more or less don't grow an inch the last 4 weeks.

[PlainJane]

ONE METRE?! :eek: Shiiiiiiiit! http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1449/thudsf7.gif


If push comes to hard shove I can put the shelf down but it would be a right pain in the arse, so I hope I don't have to. That space beneath is supposed to be the clone station for another day.


Thanks for the info. :jointsmile: And enjoy your rewards, a mighty fine grow you've had with these.

[phatsesh101]

i put my ww in flower from 4-6 in. clones and in the first 2 weeks they jump to 2ft.

i also nute every other watering they seem to like it better than wter,water ,feed for me but i only give thenm each 8-10 oz. of water or food per feeding so i water every other day

[PlainJane]

Day 4 of flower and growing like weeds. :jointsmile:

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The wonky tilted light is to accommodate that big tall one in the back. I can't believe that one was the last one to sprout from seed too. Look at her!

They are growing about an inch or more at night. They all have teeny tiny signs of calyxes too so it looks like they may all be keepers. Blimey.

I still have a few mysterious rust coloured spots on some of the newish growth so I'm going to do a bit of epsom salts because I keep coming back to possible Mg deficiency and I know a bit of MgSO4 is good for them a few times in their life.

[seattlesmoke247]

very good 3 page read so far jane, i will keep watching this one can't wait for the end results!!!

[PlainJane]

1 week of flower and they have grown so much that I had to remove the lower shelf to accommodate their height. I'll have to watch my growth more carefully next time, I was lucky to even have this option. I planned on having that lower portion of the cabinet for clones but hadn't gotten around to it for this grow. I was too determined to have 5-6 weeks of veg and I don't think I can go that long in the future. As I've said before, part of the problem is that the cabinet is WAY too full. 5 plants is too many for that space, at least untrained and allowed to veg for this long. 3 plants with about 1-2 weeks less veg time would be perfect. Live and learn.

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That cabinet is 2 metres (6'5) tall, for reference. When I stand next to the one in the back left it comes up mid-waist on lil ol' me. :o I have a spiffing good time trying to move them around and water them. :wtf: It's all part of the fun.

[LuciferN]

Wow, great job, they really grew like weeds !
You can still expect some stretching, I just hope, for you, that they don't too tall.

[Puffzter]

There are some options still to slow the stretching a bit and I would reccomend that you strip off the lowest vegetation as well. No leaves etc at least for the lowest 4 inches or so. I stripped the lowest 12 inches on my 4-5 foot plants and that was a gradual thing. Take some everytime you tend to them.
The benefit is you direct more energy to where the high grade is produced but even more importantly you allow for better airflow in under the canopy.
The absolutelly most important building block (given you have sufficient light) for a plant is carbon and ALL of it comes from the air.
Look at your grow room and try to figure out how the air moves from intake to exhaust. You want air to come in, move to the centre of the plants still on floor level and then get sucked up through the canopy.
Try to make that path as easy as possible for the air and you will get more and better weed for it. :)

Looking awesomne by the way.

To stop the stretch a bit you can break the main stem of the plants a bit under the forming colas. Sounds drastic and I guess it is but I did it to a few of mine as last solution and they got stunned for a few days then continiued like nothing had happened but at an angle, a week later I broke them again and made them grow like the letter "Z" almost. Feels like a terrible thing to do and a hanging top cola is no fun to watch but a few days later it just mends and starts aiming for the light again but at an angle. ;)
Might be something to consider if it starts to become a serious problem. Also in a tight space like yours an even canopy is an absolute must so it might come to that even for canopy reasons if you have some that grow faster or slower than the others.
It's just this time anyway, in the future I guess you as me will use clones.

Puffzter

[Dutch Pimp]

To stop the stretch a bit you can break the main stem of the plants a bit under the forming colas. Sounds drastic and I guess it is but I did it to a few of mine as last solution and they got stunned for a few days then continiued like nothing had happened but at an angle, a week later I broke them again and made them grow like the letter "Z" almost. Feels like a terrible thing to do and a hanging top cola is no fun to watch but a few days later it just mends and starts aiming for the light again but at an angle.


I did the same thing, five times, five plants. Each one was an accident, I swear....:thumbsup:...I was trying to bend them over. Same results, they just made a U-turn back up towards the light...Go figure? I don't think you can kill white widow...it's a killer weed.

[Puffzter]

Hehe, been thinking the same many times.
Got warned a bit for starting with White Widow as they were supposed to be grumpy but they are fucking imortal.
Kept them on 2300ppm for 2 weeks, broke them, had light leaks, poison tent, bad pH for a period and what have you.
Feminized damn plants and still they just came back for more without a nut ever forming between them. Averaged 2 ounces/plant cured and ready, not one seed.
The genetics is rock solid. The last living thing to die on this planet will be someones Dutch Passion Feminized White Widow.

[Dutch Pimp]

The genetics is rock solid. The last living thing to die on this planet will be someones Dutch Passion Feminized White Widow.

I agree. I hope y'all are careful with that thingy: LHC... over there...:thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Lol, yeah we will be.
I don't think Switzerland is very likelly to turn into a black hole consuming the solar system anytime soon though :D

Poor Jane.
Oh oh oh! Lots of new posts in my thread. :D
WTF is this shit! Shoo

We stayed on topic best we could hun' it's 4.20 after all :rastasmoke:

[PlainJane]

Thank you again, Puffzter. :) :thumbsup: I think I'll do a bit of lower trimming. They are not getting much light down there and I know the air flow has to be fairly limited. This many plants in that space is pretty far from ideal. Strange turnout with the twin seed, I still can't believe it. I abuse that little runt, I didn't even pot it up because it wouldn't fit in there with the big pot and I didn't give a shit. Wouldn't you know it, the little twerp just keeps going. It was even the first to show its sex. I think it was a survival thing because it knew it would be first to get the boot at the first sign of trouble. I could almost hear it saying "No, see? I'm a good girl! Don't kill me!" Well you're safe for now, peewee. :D

My plants are odd like this. That really tall one was the last seed to germinate. I even briefly thought of giving up on it because it was a couple days behind the others. SURPRISE! She's a behemoth! If ever there was a plant that might be in for the Puffzter Z shape alteration, that's it. We shall see.

I wonder if every grow is going to be so quirky, I imagine so, one way or another. Fun times. :jointsmile:

And I liked the little thread topic turn, it made me laugh and all laughs are welcomed here.

[crabbyback]

Greetings PJ -

I'm thoroughly enjoying your antics with the Simpsons. Beautiful cabinet and great plants. Subscribed. :thumbsup:

Luck,
Crabby

[green33]

nice grow plain jain ... first time I saw this thread... very impressed

[deephouser]

Jane, this looks like a great grow. I'll be following this.

Can you give some specifics on your cab? I'm really impressed with it. Dimensions...how you built it and how long...etc. Just whenever you get the chance it would be great.

I did a closet grow with a 400w HPS when I was in college. It was a ghetto grow with bagseed...but I will do another grow in about a year and like how you've got yours set up. Definitely looking for a good cabinet style grow.

Keep up the good work...your plants look great. I'm pulling for the little one!

[crabbyback]

I second Deephouser's request. Would love to hear all about your lovely cabinet. :clap:

Crabby

[Shovelhandle]

Lovely WWs! It does look dank down on the forest floor. That's why I cut 4-6 of the first lower branches right off early. Let the later (higher) growth have the light and energy.

[PlainJane]

Thank you everyone. And I did do a bit more trimming of the lower branches. I'll post some photos in the next couple days.


About the cabinet:

Ikea PAX 100x60x201 (cm) - All white

Electrics:
Surge protected power strip
Contactor
Digital timer

Light:
250W HPS + suited ballast (kit) + adjustable height suspension things

Exhaust:
RVK100 A1 fan + suited carbon filter + ducting (kit)

(Passive) Intake:
4 x ~2" black PVC pipe L shape intakes + insect screening over the external part of the intakes

Misc:
White plastic sheeting (for the shelf, now removed because those bitches got tall fast!)
Hole saw (drill bits for intake/exhaust holes)
Chain to support the carbon filter
Various hooks/screws/etc.
Magnetic catches to keep doors closed
Heat resistant foil tape
Draught excluder door seal (closes nice and made it light proof)
2 x small fans

It was a bit of a buggeryfucker to put together but sort of fun at the same time. It took a couple of days and a couple hours each day, I'd guess. The costs have certainly added up but I am very happy with the result. I've seen some shoddy cabinets and I didn't want one of those for myself. It's an investment and worthwhile done right.

If I had it to do over again I would do slightly bigger exhaust/intake.

[PlainJane]

That does it! "Snowball" is probably just a few inches away from being taller than I am. Aside from being a nuisance, I find it bloody cheeky of her! :rasta:

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It is 2 weeks into flower now and little buds are starting to form. It truly does amaze me to watch this whole process.

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[Puffzter]

I am the same in that respect. I take so much pleasure in just seeing the grow progress.
I see the growing as the reward in itself and the weed as a damn nice bonus.
You have some really nice weeks in front of you. :D

Puffzter

[jguttagetbent]

incredible grow, thanks for the info on mine, yours look great, and i cant wait till harvest, but seeing your grow made me question my light height so im of to go play.also the thing about stagnant air below the rim of the pot, thats a very good point.:jointsmile:

[Puffzter]

Its all about air and light. The rest is a given, I mean everyone understand that plants need a medium, nutes and water.
Trim the plants, feed them and help them on their way but make sure most energy goes into getting them as much light and air you can possibly do. Just like she's been doing the last week. :D

[MistaJ]

Hey PlainJane,

Glad to see all is going well, if not a little too croweded in the simpsons house!!

I've just finished the first week of flowering and am pretty sure I have one male out of the four which I have taken out and now sits in my kitchen as a little house plant and room odouriser!! ;) Well pleased with 1 in 4 though, first time grow, none feminised seeds and the others are looking pretty good as well. Very happy camper!!

Glad all is going well, with yours, will keep checking in!!

[deephouser]

I like those cabinets...checked them out online. Looks slick.

Do you think that a 400W in a cooltube would be overkill? I think that's about 6 square feet...or roundabouts there.

Your setup is nice...how is the odor control working out for you?

[PlainJane]

I like those cabinets...checked them out online. Looks slick.

Do you think that a 400W in a cooltube would be overkill? I think that's about 6 square feet...or roundabouts there.

Your setup is nice...how is the odor control working out for you?

I imagine 400w cooltube it would be OK if slightly overkill. You may have some heat troubles so you'll need a good amount of extraction. I wish I'd gone with a bigger extraction and more intake for that reason. It's not a problem NOW but I probably won't grow in the summer because of it. I'm not bothered, I can't be arsed with growing then anyway. Too many things to do in summer outside of the house. The other 3 seasons are for stocking up!

The odour control has been fine so far. When I open the doors it pongs something mad but with doors shut you wouldn't have a clue.

[Puffzter]

Get an Amazon. :)
I went from tending to my plants 1h/day to 5 minutes every 2-3 days.

That is a damn nice system.

[PlainJane]

Amazons are brilliant, I would love to have one someday! In the future I plan to invest more cash for gear and space into this hobby but for now I am maxed out on both.

These kids are getting big! That tall one in the back is about 133cm (52") from the cab floor up. With that few inches of raised space between my floor and the floor inside the cab, this stands her at eye level with me. That bitch is going to win the height stand-off! It's not bloody fair, I tell you!

In compliance with my apparent short woman syndrome, I shall wear heels to tend to my big show-offs once they tower over my 5' stature.

:pimp:

[Puffzter]

Hate to say I told you so hehe.

Big plants make big stash though. :rastasmoke:

[PlainJane]

Oh, you don't hate it any more than I do! :rastasmoke:

It is funny that I originally got into this for the end result, the quality weed stash, but found that the whole experience is thoroughly enjoyable and fascinating. I imagine I still have some tense and confusing moments ahead. The fat lady has not sung yet.

I still need a hefty dehumidifier. 70% humidity late in flower sounds like risky business. I don't know what it is with this house, it is never under 60% in here. I think I shower/bathe too much. :D

[Puffzter]

Or better exhaust fan. I mounted a dimmer on my exhaust fan so I can adjust how hard it runs and I can "adjust" the humidity between 30 and 75% just with the fan.
Now, natrually you want the exhaust to go on full as much as possible to get more air through the cabinet but when lights are out photosyntesis stops and you can turn it down so it just keeps the humidity under control.
So imho a bigger exhaust fan >> dehumidifier as it also gives you the advantage of more air and not only lower humidity.
This will natrually not work if the humidity where you live is high, you can't vent out humidity with "wet" air. :)
I see the difference when it rains or is foggy outside that humidity in my growtent goes up 5-10%. Check what the humidity is in the rest of your appartment a couple of days and if it is 0-30ish % then I would certainly go for the fan over the dehumidifier.

Puffzter

[PlainJane]

Cheers, Puffzter.

I wish I had done a slightly bigger exhaust from the start. I don't want to construct something mid-grow. Actually, if I'm honest, I can be arsed with the hassle at any time. Plus I am concerned about the additional noise of a bigger exhaust. The other problem is that this house stubbornly remains very humid, so I imagine it would only be as useful as the air its taking in, which is always 60% RH and up.

I do agree that it would be the better solution but I don't think it's what will work for me, at least not with things as they currently are. There may be a move in our future and I would construct things a bit differently. ;)

[Puffzter]

:)
Just an idea. Your specific situation I natrually don't know anything about and remodelling a cabinet mid grow as you say is not very fun nor practical.

[PlainJane]

Shit. Shit shit shit. I am going to have to face it. "Tall bitch" is going to need something doing with. I can't pull that light up much further, maybe 20cm (8") or so and that be it. I am 19 days into flower, I am guessing she is going to grow more than 20cm. I don't know what I have been waiting or hoping for, a miracle, I suppose. Either way she is hell-bent on being tall as hell.

I wonder what would be better, breaking her or just letting her growing top surpass the light, off to the left. Is that a really bad thing? I have a hunch it is, but I am having a tough time accepting that I might need to snap her stem. The Puffzter Z formation is looking likely, isn't it?

When it comes to the breaking, when would be better to do this? Now or later? How big of a risk is it? If she snaps completely through, is this going to kill her? I know they are tough girls but this is scary business. What a horrible thing to have to do to a plant. I really hoped it wouldn't come to this.

Quick photo of the whole cab.

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Yes, that is a nasty pest strip you see up there too. I saw a couple flying things in there and I freaked out. Not a big problem yet and I hope it doesn't become one. Little gnatty bastards.

[Puffzter]

Dont break her back just yet, looking at my excel log here mine stopped stretch 20-22 days into 12/12. Then a week later I got 2-3 more inches and after that maybe 2 inches the last 5 weeks.

So, my (qualified) guess is that you will have maximum 7-10 more inches of vertical growth now. If you can take 10-14 more you should be in the clear foshoo.

Puffzter

[PlainJane]

Oh good! Thanks Puffzter! :)

Fingers crossed.

[Puffzter]

Remember the "qualified guess" though. ;)

Since we have same strain and even breeder yours SHOULD follow the same growth pattern as mine did. If you only have 20 more cm to play with you might have to seriously concider to do something after all I mean.

I like to write but I accept no responsibility for anything hehe. (except when I'm right ofc)

:rastasmoke:

ps if you decide to break her (or anyway) you have my contact info in your reputation list in the user control panel. I'll talk u through it np.

[PlainJane]

Makes sense to me, Puffzter, thanks. I am holding out a small bit of hope that I won't have to snap her but we shall see. It is good to know I have some moral support. :jointsmile: I don't really use instant messaging, but do you use that as an email address too?


I took a few pictures yesterday right before the lights came on. I'll post them in a short while, once I wake up a bit more.

[PlainJane]

Here is that photo from yesterday, 20 days into flower.

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[hydrocannabis]

WoW! :thumbsup:

[JeffersonBud]

Get some Bushmaster next time and you will be able to pop them into flowing faster, and you can control their height with it as foliar spray. works wonders in cab grows. looks great though!

[Puffzter]

It is good to know I have some moral support. :jointsmile: I don't really use instant messaging, but do you use that as an email address too?


Only use it for email.

[crabbyback]

buggeryfucker

:S2:


Aside from being a nuisance, I find it bloody cheeky of her!

:giggity:

I just love the way ya'll say stuff. ::in my best southern accent::

Very professional job done on the cabinet. What a clever Jane you are.

cb :pipe:

[PlainJane]

Theeeeee Simpsonnnnnnnssssss! ~ sing along ~

Day 27 of flower

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They have stopped stretching so rapidly. This has me completely in awe of genetics now because Puffzter and I both noticed the stretch stop at almost the exact same point in time. May I just say "phew" too. I wonder if the Dutch Passion White Widows are more Sativa heavy because they do seem rather unwieldy and hell bent on being tall. :rastasmoke: "Snowball", the tall one at the back, is 140cm / 55". Pretty good for "the family pet" and the last seed to germinate.


Got hairs?

Miss Maggie

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[dooobster]

That looks amazing Jane... BEEEEEEEEEEEEEAUTIFUL!

[Treetops]

Nice job, Jane...I often bend my top(s) of my plants and fasten them to the main stem with a pipe cleaner...making the plant think its reached its peak...My cabs height isnt that tall...4'.5"..or so...just a thought for the next time maybe...this is Hawaiian Snow...she loves to grow tall...Not the best example, but I'm sure you'll understand the concept..

Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Back after a week of gaming, partying and even a spliff or ten.
:)

Nice to see it slowed down now, there will be a slight stretch more but not much and after that it stops dead. If you can take another 4 inches or so you should be fine now. Normally it wont grow more than that until harvest now.

Puffzter

[PlainJane]

That is fab news and I can handle that much. Go on girls, fatten up! :rastasmoke:

[PlainJane]

About a month into flower, so roughly halfway there.

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A lot can happen in 5 days. This is Maggie, that same plant you can see from the last photos I posted. In the above photo she is front center, for reference.

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Snowball, the tall one with a multitude of colas, but two main ones. I never touched her, she did this on her own. I know we shouldn't pick favourites but...

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This is fun.

[Treetops]

PlainJane,
Lookin good...yes it I agree it doesnt take long for a change to be noticed...Sure is frosty....Again nice work..

Peace,
Treetops :rastasmoke:

[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow. looken verry nice there. yummy yummy.

:jawdropper::jawdropper::jawdropper:

[Rock.Steady]

Wow Jane!
Great work!:thumbsup:
I am also working with femd WW, mine are nirvana's.

Wanda (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/162810-rock-returns-snlxnh-ww-strawberry-haze.html)is about 2-3 wks ahead of yours. The crystals only get better!;)
Vanessa is about the same age as yours but developing less full, and recently had a growth burst.

as far as your plant height issues, try a lil LST.:D

I'll be watching to compare our results:thumbsup:

*subscribed*

Rock

[gnikah700]

cool cabinet where did you order your seeds from i ordered some from cannabisseeds.com and think i have been ripped off can you give me a trusting site and they were white widow feminized also please get in touch with me on this matter asap so i can be sitting like you send me an e mail
:rastasmoke:

[crabbyback]

Jane,

You certainly have a cabinet full of awesomeness. You go girl! :jumphappy:

cb :pipe:

[PlainJane]

Wow Jane!
Great work!:thumbsup:
I am also working with femd WW, mine are nirvana's.

Wanda (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/162810-rock-returns-snlxnh-ww-strawberry-haze.html)is about 2-3 wks ahead of yours. The crystals only get better!;)
Vanessa is about the same age as yours but developing less full, and recently had a growth burst.

as far as your plant height issues, try a lil LST.:D

I'll be watching to compare our results:thumbsup:

*subscribed*

Rock
Thanks. Gorgeous things going on in your grow logs. :jointsmile:


cool cabinet where did you order your seeds from i ordered some from cannabisseeds.com and think i have been ripped off can you give me a trusting site and they were white widow feminized also please get in touch with me on this matter asap so i can be sitting like you send me an e mail
:rastasmoke:
I'm sure you would get better seed bank recommendations from others on this site who are in the US, which I am not. Sorry to hear you got burned.






Here are a couple photos of "Marge", taken a few minutes ago. I liked how these turned out.


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[crabbyback]

Very nice!

With that dark red drape behind her, she looks like she's on stage at the theater. Expecting her to starting singing and tap dancing at any moment. :dance: :dance: :dance: Unless, maybe she's a pole dancer?

C'mon, you know you all saw it too ...

cb :pipe:

[Rock.Steady]

Very nice!

With that dark red drape behind her, she looks like she's on stage at the theater. Expecting her to starting singing and tap dancing at any moment. :dance: :dance: :dance: Unless, maybe she's a pole dancer?

C'mon, you know you all saw it too ...

cb :pipe:

agreed x2 :D

[PlainJane]

How dare you say such things about my little girls! :rastasmoke:

[Puffzter]

Was that about poledancing? o_O

Jane that is not a bad remark. On the contrary.

I'd say that is the absolute last stage of being before true nirvana is reached on the reinkarnation ladder. Ask any guy around you. ;)

And as we all know, if a man say something it has to be true.
:pimp:

Puffzter

[Puffzter]

How is it going how is it going?

MEasurments and pics now! :hippy:
They stopped stretching completelly by now, right?
How are the buds developing?

Puff

[PlainJane]

This is day 53 of 12/12. They are coming along brilliantly. :thumbsup: The stronger growers are showing signs of feeling sorry for themselves but it is too late to be treating deficiencies being roughly within 2 weeks of chop. Some of the sad leaves could also be light stress because the problems appear much worse on the bits of the plants nearest the bulb. I bought a massive dehumidifier and it took it from an average of 65-70% RH to 40-50%. That humidity change seems to have made them seem less tolerant of the light and heat. I am thinking a touch of light and heat stress is better than a risk of mould. This house is prone to the evils of damp and sod getting that into my grow!

The tallest in the back left ("Snowball") is 143cm/56" and the shortest is 107cm/42". I imagine their stretch should be finished. I am now decreasing their nutes starting at the next water in a day or two. I thought I would flush and use only water for their last two waterings. I water every 3-4 days and will let them dry out some before the chop. That should give them 10-12 days with no nutes. I only used organic nutes and never went overboard with them. I hope this is enough of a flush while also not completely starving them. Any words of wisdom there would be appreciated.

I don't see any amber trichs yet but if my eyes and my 30x loupe do not deceive me, I do have about 50-60% milky. I hope they get a bloody move on. Half the pistols are browned and things are looking sticky.


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[DTRave420]

Beautiful work PlainJane...Won't be long now...I always liked WW,not only for the great stone and medical grade uses,but I also really like the delicious aftertaste that WW leaves with ya...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

The flush schedule sounds good to me....:thumbsup:

Chop? in two weeks?...Something to consider: Harvest one plant 'early'..harvest another "prime time"...harvest another 'late".

It gives you, personal information; for your next grow...:stoned:

[PlainJane]

The flush schedule sounds good to me....:thumbsup:

Chop? in two weeks?...Something to consider: Harvest one plant 'early'..harvest another "prime time"...harvest another 'late".

It gives you, personal information; for your next grow...:stoned:

A splendid idea. I was already thinking of chopping that little abused "twin" at the back sooner than the rest for "research", and of course because I am getting impatient. :rasta: It was always a bonus plant and I'm pleased with how well it has grown even with my treating it carelessly.

I gave it a minuscule amount of nutes a couple days ago in preparation for this purpose. Next time, just water, wait, flush, wait, then :chainsaw:

[Dutch Pimp]

Your closer to them, than I am...:)...the Dutch don't lie!...God Save the Queen.

[Puffzter]

Oh oh.
Nice Jane, the look very healthy and lush. :D
Don't worry about yellowing leaves and stuff like that now it is natrual.
The last stage of it's life the plants use leaves to get some extra oompf into the flowers and that's why they look sick. I took 5-10 leaves off my plants a day the last two weeks or so.

My crop is VERY soft on your throat and very well tasting to smoke pure and I nuked them full out until 4-5 days before cut. The last 72hours I kept them in darkness to break down as much chlorofyll as possible as well. Weed is knockout taste, potency (OMG!!) and buds are absolutelly glistering. After a couple of weeks of curing many buds actually became more white than green.
:rastasmoke:

Puff

[fUNKYcDOG]

those plants look fuckin awesome!

[PlainJane]

Oh oh.
Nice Jane, the look very healthy and lush. :D
Don't worry about yellowing leaves and stuff like that now it is natrual.
The last stage of it's life the plants use leaves to get some extra oompf into the flowers and that's why they look sick. I took 5-10 leaves off my plants a day the last two weeks or so.

My crop is VERY soft on your throat and very well tasting to smoke pure and I nuked them full out until 4-5 days before cut. The last 72hours I kept them in darkness to break down as much chlorofyll as possible as well. Weed is knockout taste, potency (OMG!!) and buds are absolutelly glistering. After a couple of weeks of curing many buds actually became more white than green.
:rastasmoke:

Puff

All very good to hear. :jointsmile:

I know you chopped somewhere around day 63, did you see any amber trichs at that time? I am not sure if I should really care that much about the highly regarded milestone of the mighty amber trichome. I am hoping not so much because I would like to get them ALL chopped before the new year.

[Puffzter]

Well since I wanted a crop that was not too much body I chopped at Around 50-40-10 (clear-milky-ambre).

The next one I will keep about the same I think because I really enjoy the high from these plants, better than anything I ever smoked before at least. Got friends that wanna pay double market value for it even hehe. Poor them, hehe. But I am not cheap with it when ppl are coming over or at parties etc. Popular guy atm I am :D

If you wanna use it against insomnia it's not the best but if I have a hard time sleeping I just take a few hits 1h before I wanna sleep and then stop.

Munchies is insane though.
Worst ever. I can keep a gun against your head and tell you I will blow it off if you eat something and I can assure you:
You will loose your head. ;)

Puff

[fUNKYcDOG]

what kind of high to you get from white widow, what kind of illness does it work for?

[Puffzter]

Got a terrible and chronic backpain that keeps me at home normally. That fades away most of it.
Any kind of problems with eating will for sure be better.

I was in a loooong time depression state after a terrible accident and locked my door and put the curtains down for the better part of two years.
That is gone now and my friends and familly are thrilled to see me again even though they don't know what snapped me out of it. ;)

Puff

[fUNKYcDOG]

Got a terrible and chronic backpain that keeps me at home normally. That fades away most of it.
Any kind of problems with eating will for sure be better.

I was in a loooong time depression state after a terrible accident and locked my door and put the curtains down for the better part of two years.
That is gone now and my friends and familly are thrilled to see me again even though they don't know what snapped me out of it. ;)

Puff


glad to hear another great mmj story!!!!

love the pics

future +k!!!! tooo:rastasmoke:

:vap_rasta::joint1:

[Rock.Steady]

Jane
wait for the trichs.
i harvested early once and smoked an ounce in a week. wore off too fast.
it is far worth the wait. ur patience will pay in the end.;)

checked trichs on Wanda today, still not ready, too many clears.
i want all cloudies for this one.
this white widow is going into week 11.
i hope this is the last.:wtf:

[dodo5678]

Very clean setup. I've read this entire thread and can't wait to see how it turns out. There is just so much to learn from reading all the posts. Thanks for sharing Jane.

[PlainJane]

Thank you all very much for the input.

Still no sign of the elusive amber trichome.

I am harvesting the little one this friday, it just got a good flushing. We are in the exciting times now. :jointsmile:

[PlainJane]

Since this thread was one of the many that lost posts during the forum hiatus I will summarise the harvest to the best of my recollection. :stoned:

On day 61 I chopped the little one. The high it gives is a lot more uppy/heady. I save its nugs for days when I need the energy to doâ?¦ whatever.

On day 69 I chopped the rest of them. After a very long curing process the taste and smell is finally what it should be. I find out now that White Widow is notoriously long to cure and that is true for my experience. It is worth the wait, the high is spectacular. A perfect blend of head and body high with many giggles and unstoppable munchies. I still don't know what my actual yields were because have no scale or plans to own one.


Here are a few photos.

This is "Marge", I think.
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Hanging to dry.
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Those fans were NOT on, by the way. The tub on the left is trim with trichs, it has been used for baking. The one on the right is air bud which I decided not to hang out of laziness. That airbud is surprisingly good.

The curing jars.
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I bought better ones later, I didn't know I would need more than 4 of those large jars.


I am thoroughly enjoying the fruits of my labour. I am not growing right now because I am not around enough to tend to it and my stash is more than I need. I will have another go towards the end of the year.


Cheers all! :jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

Excellent.. personal grow...PJ...congrats...:thumbsup: