New and Improved: Featuring Sour Northern Lights x Nevilles Haze

[daihashi]

Nice dro system D, simple yet effective... That's one big things about dro I like, simplicity...can't wait to see how they do in there...

Are both of those plants from seed or are they clones?...
what strain are they the SNLxNH too....

I just put together one of my dro systems last night as well, and got some SNLxNH seedlings and some bagbeans that will make a new home out of that ebb n flo system...then as they get bigger they will get new homes...

later keep it up bro:thumbsup:

Yeah.. definitely very simple setup. I am trying to keep an eye on PH. Even after washing/soaking I am going to have to adjust the ph 2 times a day minimum it seems. I am probably going to build an auto PH doser. I would hate to have my ph go screwy on me when I'm not able to get to my plants.

Beyond that I don't think I have anything to worry about with this system. I may add a single air stone to my buckets. My water doesn't fall from very high up and doesn't create too much of an aeration action. I just want to ensure my water is oxygen rich.

The plants in the pics are from clones. To be honest I don't know if they'll make it. I waited too long to take them from when they got some roots and when I put them in the system. So they are very weak right now and probably on the verge of death. Currently 1 is very limp and the other has some wilted leaves. We'll see if either of them can snap out of it. If not then I have 20 more potential clones coming.

I will continue this cloning thing until I can successfully get 100% success rate. So far I'm not having much luck though

[daihashi]

Estimating the plants having about 3 weeks left. I will be trying to get a loupe this week to start inspecting the trichomes. I'm thinking about harvesting around 30% amber. I want a nice heavy smoke.

[d4twamp]

keep at it w/ the cloning D, you'll get the hang of it bro...I believe in your skills, so should you...

[Weedhound]

Clones take nothing but practice. I won't mention to you the number of clones I lost in learning how to take care of them. Stinky mentioned something to me once about the clone gods taking pity after a time so you'll get there. I found it very frustrating but invaluable once learned.

[Shovelhandle]

I'm gettting some smoke from my own clones for like only the second time. Lost quite a number somehow. :wtf:
I have three nice clones to go into flower next month too. It really is handy as hell to be able to see a nice pheno and be able to get a lifetime supply of it.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Shovelman.....:D

[Weedhound]

Dai, your ladies should give you some good dense buds. the sugar leaves get to looking very long and sativa-like but is not a hard trim. Make sure you give them plenty of time to fill out and you should be very happy with the results.

[daihashi]

ughhhhhhhhhh

I did something stupid last night and left the dome off my clones by accident... now the majority of them are all limp and look like death. I put the dome back on in hopes of some of them strengthening again.

crap crap crap... another 20 clones down the drain

[Weedhound]

Done it and anyone who has NOT done this please raise your hand.

Dai, do you still have my email?

[WhiskeyTango]

Estimating the plants having about 3 weeks left. I will be trying to get a loupe this week to start inspecting the trichomes. I'm thinking about harvesting around 30% amber. I want a nice heavy smoke.

Get the 420Scope man...good shit. Plants look great dai!:greenthumb:

[daihashi]

Done it and anyone who has NOT done this please raise your hand.

Dai, do you still have my email?

Yep I sure do... I'll shoot you an email.

[daihashi]

Get the 420Scope man...good shit. Plants look great dai!:greenthumb:

what's the 420 scope?

[WhiskeyTango]

HerbScope.com - The 420 Scope Information Resource! (http://www.herbscope.com/)
60-100x magnification and a white LED for light
good vibes

[daihashi]

HerbScope.com - The 420 Scope Information Resource! (http://www.herbscope.com/)
60-100x magnification and a white LED for light
good vibes

ahh.. I have one of those but it's the radio shack brand. I used it on my last grow and wasn't impressed... but then again I didn't have the trichs that I have now since that was shwag bagseed.

I'll give it another go and see what things look like under the pocket scope.

[daihashi]

Well it look slike most of my clones will make it.. 2 have died for sure. 1 had white fuzz/mold on it and the other had just wilted completely. Which was unfortunate because both of thse had little root bumps which seemed to indicate that things were going very well up until I removed the dome :(


Oh well.. I suspect the most I'll lose out of this will by 6 clones; leaving me with 14. Hopefully they'll all root.

[Weedhound]

well that's good. Is that the first time you had removed it or are you doing it a few times a day to let some air in?

[d4twamp]

Done it and anyone who has NOT done this please raise your hand.

FADE IN:


INT. - COMPUTER DESK - DAY.


D4TWAMP sits in his chair in front of a computer screen. Holding a cherried up rolling paper stuffed with U2 Kush in his left hand. His right hand is raised as though he's in a classroom waiting to be called on by one of his Professor's...

D4TWAMP
Mrs. Hound my hand too, is raised.


MRS. HOUND walks up behind D4TWAMP with a yard stick in hand. With one quick swift SMACK.

D4TWAMP
Ouch!

D4TWAMP covers his head to fend off the next blow he thinks is coming.


MRS. HOUND
You can put your hand down now,
knuckle head.


He quickly puts his hand down, as MRS. HOUND walks up to the next knucklehead with his hand raised.


FADE OUT:


Sorry I just see it all so vivid in my head like a scene from a film. And yes for those of you who could tell this isn't exact proper screenwriting format but it's as close as I could get in this reply window here at CanCom

Daihashi, Just don't give up bro.. My first cloning foray went well up until the part of caring for the cuts...My first attempt at cloning I took 40 something cuttings.. Yeah ambitious or crazy, you tell me...of the 40 something I took only a dozen made it to root, due to my abuse... But the knowledge gained well out weighs the cuttings I lost or the yield they could have given me...You'll get the hang of it bro...My hand is raised right along side of you...and Hounds' ...lol...I guess it could have been Professor Stinky w/ the yard stick and all of us in a full class room w/ our hands raised....lol...

D:jointsmile:

:::EDIT::: I just realized WH said if you have NOT done this raise your hand. So disregard the whole hand raising scene...DAMN STONERS...D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

well that's good. Is that the first time you had removed it or are you doing it a few times a day to let some air in?

I only remove the dome whenever I have to water/mist them per the advice I got from stinky.

One of my clones has 2 little roots poking out of the RR today.. YAY!!! How long do I wait before I put it into the hydro system?

[daihashi]

Day 54 Flower

So it's getting close with only 3 weeks or so estimated to be left. I looked at the trichs on a 2 of the older plants and they're mostly cloudy with the occasional clear and the occasional amber. Originally I said I wanted to harvest at about 30% amber but I'm thinking more of about 15% amber.

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of cola
Pic 3: closer shot of Cola
Pic 4: Random bud shot lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of cola
Pic 3: closer shot of Cola
Pic 4: Random bud shot lower on the plant.
Pic 5: Bonus shot

[daihashi]

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of cola
Pic 3: closer shot of Cola
Pic 4: Random bud shot lower on the plant.
Pic 5: bonus shot

[daihashi]

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of cola
Pic 3: closer shot of Cola
Pic 4: Random bud shot lower on the plant.
Pic 5: Bonus Shot

[daihashi]

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of cola
Pic 3: closer shot of Cola
Pic 4: Random bud shot lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

So with only 3 weeks out I can't tell if these are actually going to put on weight or if they are going to be smaller but denser buds. Anyone who has grown and harvested SNLxNH care to express what type of buds their plants produced?

So far I'm very pleased with them and they seem heavy even though the buds don't look big. Many of the plants lean ALOT and I have to correct them when I put them back in the flower room. Which reminds me I need to add stakes to my shopping list.

2 of my new clones have roots and I think I will have at least 10 survivors this time.. YAY..

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey wow, those girls look great!
:jointsmile::thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Hey wow, those girls look great!
:jointsmile::thumbsup:

Thanks!! I really wish the other ladies would catch up to the crystally goodness of the first two beyond that I'm pretty satisfied so far with this grow.

I need to go through other grow logs here and try to see if my buds are consistent to what everyone else has been getting (smaller tight dense nugs vs larger nugs). We'll see though. :hippy:

[Weedhound]

Have you checked my log lately....got some bud pics there at Zeb's request. Are you still in coco? Without knowing anything about coco, I would say now is the time to push your nutes to the max........whatever the max may be in coco. This is the fun part where you start walking the tightrope between enough/just right/too much and causing problems.

As far as trichs go.....they'll catch up. The only thing I've ever seen lower a trich level on a good quality plant is seeds......or just super crappy health. I don't see either on your plants.

Glad your clones are doing better......had me a bit worried there, but I've calmed now. :D

[Weedhound]

PS....again....not knowing coco or what nutes your are running my plants went to 1950 ppms from about week 3 on to the time I flushed them so they take a good strong number of nutes.

[stinkyattic]

Oh hells yeah, that's what I like to see! Nice big plant, real healthy even though it is in way too small a pot- that means to me that you are doing everything right. Good work.

[daihashi]

Oh hells yeah, that's what I like to see! Nice big plant, real healthy even though it is in way too small a pot- that means to me that you are doing everything right. Good work.

What a great compliment coming the Queen of Green herself. I am very pleased with how the coco has performed. I can't imagine how massive these plants would be if I were in bigger pots right now. They are huge as it is.

I'm debating harvesting the main cola/ tops and allowing the remainder of the plant to flower for 2-3 weeks.

What do you guys think?

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

wow those look great. idk if i mentioned it but coco rules soil lol. def know those ladies would be bigger in larger pots. but man, they look gorgeous.

i guess if you think those lower branches need some more time, chop the colas but if it were me i'd take it all down at once. great job though dai, ya did an excellent job.

mgm

[Weedhound]

So do you have to keep transplanting up in coco for root room like soil or is it like hydro in like the plant doesn't outgrow the space?

You can snip the main cola and let the rest go longer.....but be prepared that it will halt things for a few days while the plants collect their (now headless) thoughts and start up again.

[daihashi]

So do you have to keep transplanting up in coco for root room like soil or is it like hydro in like the plant doesn't outgrow the space?

You can snip the main cola and let the rest go longer.....but be prepared that it will halt things for a few days while the plants collect their (now headless) thoughts and start up again.

Coco is a bit odd. Additional root space will create bigger plants and bigger buds but as long as you can keep the medium wet you can keep a plant in the same pot for an indefinite amount of time.

To give you an example.... the smallest plant I have a picture of, the one in the white pot, is in what I was told is about a 1 gallon pot. I did not transplant until at least 2 weeks into flowering from a small 4" pot into a 1 gallon pot. It is still flowering and looks healthy as can be. The buds aren't too bad either; however they aren't massive..... At the same time I think that plant is much bigger than most plants would be in a 1 gallon pot and this is due to the coco and it's near inert properties.

Salt build up isn't really an issue; coco is fairly inert; retains up to 300 times it's moisture and mixed in with a 1:3 ratio of perlite:coco it is very well aerated, It can handle a PH range of 5.2 - 6.8 (yes... it can really handle that wide of a ph range).

Because of all this the coco does nearly all the work for you so long as you can make sure your plants stay wet all the time. People on drip ring setups with coco grow some phenomenal plants.

I would stay with coco since I love it and have become a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE advocate for it but I'm wanting to move away from a non resuable medium and having to move my plants from the grow room to the bathroom all the time.

So to go back and answer your question... Yes the roots get cramped but it doesn't flip out like it does in soil. Just look at my plant in the white pot :)

[Weedhound]

Thanks for the info Dai.

Yes..it's interesting because I germ every seed with rapid rooters. But I use a different ph depending on where I'm going to be putting the seed......5.6 ish for hydro and 6.5 ish for soil........but they are BOTH in the same rapid rooter so I've always wondered about the ph thing.

There's no getting around the ph issue though......if you get ph lockout it's a PITA to fix in soil vs hydro. How about coco?

[daihashi]

Thanks for the info Dai.

Yes..it's interesting because I germ every seed with rapid rooters. But I use a different ph depending on where I'm going to be putting the seed......5.6 ish for hydro and 6.5 ish for soil........but they are BOTH in the same rapid rooter so I've always wondered about the ph thing.

There's no getting around the ph issue though......if you get ph lockout it's a PITA to fix in soil vs hydro. How about coco?

Well that's just the thing. It's very hard to get to a PH lockout situation even if the ph just fluxuate. You would have to dip into the 4's or the 7's.

I hand water the coco to waste (10-15% runoff) which ensures that you don't get salt buildup that could mess up the ph chemistry in your medium since coco is fairly inert; in addition to this I run a flush once every 4 weeks just like in soil or soilless.

For coco I try to keep my ph at about 5.6 - 5.8. Which I believe is about the same for hydro. The roots have better access to nutrient uptake at lower PH ranges; however you must use a lower TDS/PPM if you use a lower PH.

I pretty much just follow the instructions on my nute bottles and feed according to what their feeding schedule = in PPM. So far in coco I haven't exceeded 1000ppm at ph 5.6. I've read some people running a PH of 5.2 but running a PPM of only 800 or 900. I wouldn't want to go that low but people do it.

For rapid rooters regardless if it's going in hydro, soil, soilless or coco I have been misting them with ph 5.6 water. That's just me; I don't know if there is a "best" situation for ph'ing them. Probably the method you described (choosing a PH according to what your future medium is going to be) is most likely the best.

[daihashi]

after rummaging through Weedhounds grow log I found some pics to compare my buds to

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/162128-hounds-haze-y-new-grow-log-5.html#post1937279

So it looks like I'm right on track. I have 3 weeks to go (roughly) and my nugs look like they'll do at least as well as Weedhounds but I doubt I'll hit the 10 ounces on Ike that she did.

I think if I'm lucky I'll hit 4oz per plant (average) and more likely to be 3 oz per plant.

I still can't complain though. The plants are looking fantastic.

[daihashi]

Well I got 3 of the new clones to root and about 9-10 more still looking fairly good (considering I left the dome off). 3 of them are in the hydro setup and doing fairly well. I haven't noticed any growth but it hasn't been very long; Less than a week and they weren't super well rooted so they're probably still making roots.

Also a handfull of clones in the dome had some mold/grey fuzz growing on them. I amputated the effected parts and am hoping for the best. Tomorrow is Dec 5th and it doesn't ook like all my clones are going to be rooted well enough to put into the hydro setup but it does look like they're rooting and I'm fairly confident I'll come out of this with 12 clones or so.

I'm about to transplant my mother plant into a 2 gallon pot and take some more cuttings off her. I'm aiming for 30-32 cuttings and I'll pick the healthiest ones out of there.

I'll be buying a big sack of hydrotron today and some more pots. Looks like I get to have more fun washing/stabilizing hydrotron... w00t.


ps: It's amazing. My PH pretty much doesn't ever go above 5.8 now (in the hydro setup). I put in a little under 0.5 ml of ph down per 3-4 gallons of nutrient solution to drop it down to 5.5-5.6 and then allow it to rise on it's own over a 24 hour period.



So my check list for tonight:


Check flowering plants to see if they need more watering.
Change out the resevoir for current plants in the hydro setup.
Transplant SNLxNH mother plant
Wash out a 50L sack of Hydrotron
Presoak the hydrotron in ph 5.5 water and check on the ph frequently.. drain the hydrotron out when it rises 3-4 points from where I left it and resoak in freshly ph'd water.

[Weedhound]

mold....too wet. Are you misting the clones themselves or just the dome and the rrs?

[daihashi]

mold....too wet. Are you misting the clones themselves or just the dome and the rrs?

Just the domes and the RR and I only do it about twice a week. I think maybe some water may have leaked down from the dome onto the plants.

Plus the plants that got mold were the same plants that were on the verge of death after I left the dome off. They were kind of weak looking (you could tell they went through hard times) and I suspect that may also be a contributing factor. In either case I amputated all the necessary leaves and I think they'll make it through.

[daihashi]

PS....again....not knowing coco or what nutes your are running my plants went to 1950 ppms from about week 3 on to the time I flushed them so they take a good strong number of nutes.

I don't know why I missed this until just now. You know that's a good question. I am feeding 16ml of PK 13/14 and 16ml of Boost per gallon. In addition I am using 4ml of calmag (which I am now cutting out completely since it contains Nitrogen).

Let me look up what that is equal to on canna's website and get back with you

I am going to estimate my tap water to be a harsh 350ppm (this is an estimate. I'm a bit in the poor house at the moment and can't buy a TDS until after xmas. I might ask my g/f to buy me one as a gift.).

[daihashi]

No clear numbers but going off the grow schedule and the info I found there I would estimate myself to be at about 900-1000ppm total.

I am not using the canna coco A/B since it was pretty high in nitrogen and all I really wanted was the PK since I got a little nitrogen from the calmag.

My next set will be in Hydro and I'll try upping the PPM late in flowering then.

What do you recommend for nutrient strength for most of flowering on this strain?

[Weedhound]

Well I certainly can't speak for coco......only for hydro but they ARE a cross......even though they are their own strain so I took mine to 1950 (@ 700 conversion) BUT I use Cal Mag all the way through since my hydro man insists they need CalMag through bloom.....and he runs it with 50/50. I tweak it just a bt so that my CM is probably about a third of the total, half being bloom nutes and enhancers and the rest is Liquid Karma and Sweet.

[daihashi]

Well I certainly can't speak for coco......only for hydro but they ARE a cross......even though they are their own strain so I took mine to 1950 (@ 700 conversion) BUT I use Cal Mag all the way through since my hydro man insists they need CalMag through bloom.....and he runs it with 50/50. I tweak it just a bt so that my CM is probably about a third of the total, half being bloom nutes and enhancers and the rest is Liquid Karma and Sweet.

Really? 50/50 seems a bit on the high end even for hydro. Do you use RO water or tap? The reason I am using calmag with my current grow is because Coco will leach Calcium; creating deficiencies within the plant. I use Calmag in my tapwater just to be extra cautious.



Oh and great news.. my rooted clones have gone from 3 confirmed to 5 confirmed with more on the way. I suspect I may have 7 rooted clones by december 5th and all of them rooted by December 8th maybe! Well not all of them but the ones that survived anyway.

YAY!

Also I moved some hydrotron pebbles out of the way where some pots were and the roots are growing like mad!!! They seem to be loving this hydro setup!

[Weedhound]

Sounds high to me to but the man hasn't steered me wrong yet so I do what I'm told. I asked him once about cutting out CM in bloom and he was VERY strong on no....keep using it all through the grow.

Good to hear your kids are growing some feet. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

3 more little clones showed their tiny roots, giving me 8 confirmed rooted clones.. hopefully they'll be a bit bigger today. Unfortunately my new batch of hydrotron isn't done. Hell it isn't even washed. I was too tired to take it outside and give it a good hour long rinse with the gardening hose. I'll try to get that done today and at least get it soaking.

I left my clone tray on the warming pad and I really hope they don't dry out. they were slightly dryer than I would've liked this morning and meant to mist the RR's before I left the house but I forgot.

I may try to duck out of here early just to check on them/make sure they live.

We'll see.

I watered all my plants yesterday and two of them look like they need only about 2 more weeks. 2 more look like they need about 3 weeks.. and the rest look like they might need another month to finish. Which is unfortunate because I was wanting to make use of that HPS immediatley. Looks like I'll have to flower my clones under my 400 watt light. Maybe I'll at least get a hortilux for it.


Going to be a busy bee tonight

On my to do list


Wash hydrotron/presoak it
Mist clones
Transplant SNLxNH mom and water/feed
Feed my WW and PP mom's
Feed my MK mom with nute solution high in PK and a bit of Boost (canna version of sweet). Going to top her soon and try to make a clone. I really don't like the way she's coming out.. very lanky.. and I'd almost prefer to start over.
Clean/organize the Grow room (sweep, vacuum, remove trash)
Organize 400 watt Area (secure leach trays, lift ducting, Lay some panda film on the floor, etc etc).


I'm sure there is more I need to do but that's a start. Should be about 2-3 hours worth of work right there alone :(

[Weedhound]

X-Crispi got some lanky MK's as well.....I've only gotten one poor one out of two batches of feminized seeds (vendor seeds) but the lanky one we had sucked royally and we got rid of it.

[daihashi]

X-Crispi got some lanky MK's as well.....I've only gotten one poor one out of two batches of feminized seeds (vendor seeds) but the lanky one we had sucked royally and we got rid of it.

Admittingly I feel the lankiness is my fault. I didn't train it.. I had inadequate lighting... it was too far from the lighting and I'm sure other things. I tried to LST it about 2 weeks back and bent the stem (snapped but didn't break) and I just let it heal.. I got some side shoots but they aren't that great either. My best bet is to top it once I get all these other clones out of the way. I will probably take some MK cuttings in another week or so and try to make a new mom out of it.

[daihashi]

Got home a bit early and ran up to check on the clones. I have 5 additional clones that are definitely rooting.. so that gives me a total of 9 clones that have made it so far.

I haven't misted them yet but will in a few hours when the flowering area has it's lights come on.

PH rose in my resevoir from 5.6 this morning to 6.0, So it appears that it jumps a little under half a point every 8-9 hours. I may start setting the resevoir to 5.5 from now on just to give me that LITTLE bit of extra coverage. Should be good for 1-2 more hours. Eventually I'll be building an automatic PH dosing system.

Guess I'll start rinsing out the hydrotron now

[daihashi]

Washed the hydrotron and have rinsed/ph'd it twice. I am trying to get it in PH water at least 8 times before I put plants in them. I think they'll be done soaking tomorrow around this time or earlier.

My clones are all rooting this time and I'm very happy so far.

I transplanted my SNLxNH mother as she was looking very unhappy. Pulling her out of the pot revealed rootbound conditions and atrophied roots against the walls of the pot. She was not happy at all. She should enjoy her new and last home.. a 3 gallon pot.

I will probably flower her when it looks like she's going to be getting rootbound and take a clone to turn into a mother.

Tomorrow or Sunday I am going to be taking a bunch of cuttings. I'm aiming for 30 cuttings or so.

Watered all my mother plants. The WW and Powerplant look fantastic!! but the Master Kush looks lanky and week. As soon as I get all these clones out of the tray I'm going to top it and take 1-2 more cuttings in an attempt to make a new mom and keeping it short and bushy this time.

Found out I can squeeze 7 pots into those leach trays which will be nice for my SOG setup.

I think I'll be able to chop down 2-3 of the plants in about 2 weeks. I couldn't get a loupe but I've been using my radioshack scope and I can't hold it very steady but it appears I'm about 100% cloudy right now with the very occassional amber (1 out of 100 trichs).

These plants smell so tasty.. sweet and sour. Almost like some flavor of bubblegum.

Hoping to have more pics Sunday or Monday.

[Weedhound]

Since It's a strain you haven't tried before I suggest looking at trichs but also doing some test runs along the grow to see where you like your weed to be when finished.
Snipping a bit of a bud will also make it ALOT easier to look at with your scope.

[Weedhound]

Oh....and ps ....I use RO water.....so CalMag all the way......can't say for tap water.

[daihashi]

Since It's a strain you haven't tried before I suggest looking at trichs but also doing some test runs along the grow to see where you like your weed to be when finished.
Snipping a bit of a bud will also make it ALOT easier to look at with your scope.

This is true but it pains me to clip a bud. Should I clip a towards the top of the canopy or the bottom (not the main cola but one of the tops of the other side shoots?? I can cut a bud off all the plants that appear to be close to ready and test them all.

What would you recommend. I didn't have too many trichs last grow (grew shwag seeds) so I could really press the bud against hte scope to see. bleh...

Looking forward to your recommendation otherwise I'll be clipping just 1 bud off my most 'ready' looking plant and trying to setup a quick dry to test.

[Weedhound]

Well the top usually finishes earlier and all you need is a bit. But to see how much longer you think you have left, take a bud from the lower section of the plant. It will DEFINITELY be behind the stuff closer to the light.

[daihashi]

Well the top usually finishes earlier and all you need is a bit. But to see how much longer you think you have left, take a bud from the lower section of the plant. It will DEFINITELY be behind the stuff closer to the light.

Word.. I'll cut a bud about half way down the plant.

[WhiskeyTango]

Agree with weedy...up near on of the tops, like a few nodes down...just a lil gram or two.... over at 215deg...prolly 30 min will do it...gives ya the same decarbolaxation as if the bud cured......bueno
good vibes

[daihashi]

Agree with weedy...up near on of the tops, like a few nodes down...just a lil gram or two.... over at 215deg...prolly 30 min will do it...gives ya the same decarbolaxation as if the bud cured......bueno
good vibes

I don't know if my oven goes to 215 degrees.. It only goes to 250 at it's lowest I think.

[Weedhound]

or put it on top of the tv or your pc or something and leave it overnight. It'll be ready tomorrow. ;)

[daihashi]

or put it on top of the tv or your pc or something and leave it overnight. It'll be ready tomorrow. ;)

word.. going to find a bud right now :D

and I have a vaporizer.. no chlorphyll for me :D

[daihashi]

Clipped 2 small buds off 2 of my plants and put them in the oven at 215 degrees. Going to wait about 25-30 minutes before pulling them out.

Also I now have 12 plants in my Hydro setup.

I have 2 more plants in the dome and they have a tiny root poking out but I probably won't put it into the system until tomorrow sometime.

I probably won't take my new cuttings for another week or so. I want to try to make some room in my 600 watt flower area before I start putting plants in there. If I wait a week that means the clones will be done in 2 weeks. In 3 weeks I hope to have at least 4 of the 8 plants chopped.

I'm excited. I'll let you know how the bud test goes.

[daihashi]

Also it's worth noting that the first set of pots I got were kind of small. I bought more pots again recently and they were much bigger and seem much more suited for this setup. I anticipate the first 3 clones I picked will get root bound and may have to be cut down early.. Oh well.

[daihashi]

All I have to say is WOW.. this strain has an amazing high. It's a soaring happy high. I feel elated and oddly enough; healthy??

I'm still thinking about 2 weeks. I'll take another little bud in 2 weeks and quick dry it to see if it's where I want it.

Trichs cloudy/clear. I'd say about 95% cloudy and 5% clear.

[d4twamp]

I can't wait to try out some SNLxNH myself D...I harvested my last grow in June and have not been growing since... Until recently I started some SNLxNH and some bagseed beans... Sux not having Meds, Sux even more knowing a ton of local growers that get really selfish and greedy around harvest time...enough with my babbling, glad your enjoying the fruits of your labor....and keep up the good work bruddah...:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey I love having my volcano! I don't know if you have to dry it before using the vaporizer though, I just crank mine all the way up to 10, and usually run a couple bags. Seems to work well, but to me the vape high is always different then burning it.:jointsmile:

[WhiskeyTango]

Fuckin A D! Did great by that SNL homie!! Cant wait! Looks like I got 3 keepers outta mine, but they have A LOOONG way to go....
good vibes

[Weedhound]

Try it a few tiimes to make sure you get the same "buzz" and that it's not just your body trying something new. Let some ambers get on there and it'll way add to your body high as well. I love this strain myself. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Watered the plants on sunday and inspected the trichs of the most done plants again. Much to my surprise I saw a good portion of the trichs as clear as opposed to a few days earlier they were all cloudy.

I talked to stinky about this and she says I have nothing to worry about but I am just boggled how I go from cloudy to clear in less than a week. Seems strange and I'm slightly concerned that my estimated harvest date is wrong and they might need longer.

I'm currently on day 66 I believe and I think I have 13 days left. A few of the plants won't be ready for about a month (they are slower at growing) it seems. Sucks!

[daihashi]

Went ahead and took a bunch of cuttings on Monday. Enough to fill up another small grow area.

My 12 plants currently in hydro are growing beautifully. They no longer look like crappy little clones but instead plants that are 2-3 weeks old MAYBE. I'm very excited and next Monday I will be switching these clones to 12/12. I'm hoping for .5 oz per plant but I've been told if I hit 1/4 oz per plant I'm doing good. Really This is just a test run for me.

I believe a few of my plants will definitely be done by december 22nd. Either 3-4 plants will probably get chopped. The leaves are really starting to yellow and get pale. It's quite pretty actually. The buds are really starting to get dense. You can tell just by looking at them that they are much more compact than they were a week ago. I'm guessing it's really starting to ripen now.

In about 10 days I will begin flushing the plants that I am planning on chopping. I will probably flush with about 5-6 times the pot size which I am not looking forward to. Flushing plants usually ends up being an all day event for me. Another reason I am moving to hydro... hell let's list them now

Reasons for moving to Hydro:


Soil/coco is dirty and my g/f's new cat likes to dig. Not to mention it can clog pipes if it gets down the drain in the tub when I'm watering it

I have to move the plants from the grow area to the bathroom to water. Really I don't want the plants to ever leave the room for a number of reasons. I feel taking the plants out of their private environment is risky. Call me paranoid but I'd rather have them just stay put.

It's easier to change out 1 res for 12 plants than it is to carry 12 plants to the bathroom for watering.

Flushing takes forever in soil. In hydro it's just your resevoir you need to change.

You don't have to dispose of hydrotron. It is a completely reusable medium. Which makes it easier when throwing out trash. You don't have to explain all the crap that might leak out of a trash bag from a cat tearing it up overnight when you leave it at the curb.

You have complete control of the PH. It will never fluxuate if you stay on top of it... and as a bonus this is something you could completely automate so you never had to worry about PH.

You know exactly how much of the nutrient solution your plants are using. With the resevoir you just dip a TDS pen in there and you know whether you should start feeding your plants more or less. It's a wonderful tool to have when trying to figure out optimum conditions for a new strain.

It costs less in the end. Up front you invest some money; but over a few grows you could completely recoup your costs just from not having to buy the medium alone. My NFT setup (like stinky has) cost me less than $180 to make including the hydrotron which was the most expensive individual item I bought. I now have a hydro system big enough to grow 24 plants in a SOG type fashion. It's pretty much care free.. Meaning the only thing I ever have to do is check the resevoir for PH once a day and to change out the resevoir once a week.. Really much less work than taking care of plants in soil/soiless.


Anyway. I am going to water the plants tonight. They all need watering. Also I am going to take a few cuttings off the Master Kush and try to clone it and throw this one in flowering. I really am not impressed with the lankyness of it and it's probably my fault.

I don't have another dome to use to keep it humid so I'll be using some 2 liter bottles I have to help with that. Luckily I have 2-3 bottles to use. I normally don't drink soda but I had a bbq a few weeks back and thought these might come in handy eventually. :). If I can take 6 good cuttings off of the MK then I think I'll be able to pick a solid mum and treat her right this time.

I'll try to take some pics tonight since I have to water all the plants anyway.

[Weedhound]

clone pics please!!!

[Weedhound]

And a screen (my friend uses double sided tape) to keep the cats away from digging in her dirt gardens. apparently then don't like the feel of the stickiness of the tape and stay away.

I found that my cats will simply eat my plants......even in hydro so watch for that.

[daihashi]

And a screen (my friend uses double sided tape) to keep the cats away from digging in her dirt gardens. apparently then don't like the feel of the stickiness of the tape and stay away.

I found that my cats will simply eat my plants......even in hydro so watch for that.

It's just my g/f's cat. He's still a kitten; cute as hell.. dumb as a door knob and a trouble maker. The room is off limits so I don't have to worry about him getting in there, but I brought my mother plant into my study to take some cuttings and when I was done I left to take the cuttings upstairs to sit somewhere while they root.

Well I came back down to grab the mother plant and I found coco and perlite all over the floor. Little jerk threw dirt everywhere and took off. Didn't pee in it or anything. Guy just likes to play in dirt. He did it with my bag of canna coco also when he got into my supply cabinet once. I lost a gallon of Canna Coco.. that pissed me off. RAWR!!! Children!!!

And I'll take some clone pics just for you. They are in the hydro setup right now and still relatively small, but I'm so proud of my accomplishment. LOL.

I need to wash more hydrotron tomorrow since I have 2 more clones that need to go into the system.

[daihashi]

Some pics for everyone.

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This one is for weedhound. Here are a shot of the clones in their hydro setup.

[Weedhound]

Dai those look great!! Super work.....especially for a first try.

That lovely bud looks extremely happy and delicious as well. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Shoot I just looked at the last page.....now backed up. Your plants look great Dai, good dense buds going on there. Don't let the one leaning against the wall break off!!

[daihashi]

Dai those look great!! Super work.....especially for a first try.

That lovely bud looks extremely happy and delicious as well. :thumbsup:

God they smell so sweet with a hint of sourness to them. This is going to sound disgusting but it smells like a really sweet candy with an undertone of milk that is JUST beginning to sour (still drinkable).

It's actually a pleasant smell despite it's description. I am very excited. Unfortunately there are some pics I didn't post last night. One of my plants is dying. Like completely and utterly dying. I am actually going to chop it when I get home but the top of the main cola has arc'd down in a U shape and is now touching the ground. The roots are not uptaking any water since the soil has remained wet for 5 days and the plants generally need about to be watered at least once every 2 days at this point (really like once every 1.5 - 1.75 days). I think it may have gotten some root rot or maybe there was a pocket where stagnant water had been sitting; but obviously something is going on with the root system and I never picked up on it.

After I chop it I am going to pull it from the pot and disect the substrate for any indication of root diesease/fungus.. anything I can do to associate death with a problem so I can be better informed for the future.

The buds off this plant refused to ever put on weight and look like a pant that's 4 weeks into flowering (still small buds) I will turn this plant into butter probably. The buds really aren't a smokable quality.

[daihashi]

Shoot I just looked at the last page.....now backed up. Your plants look great Dai, good dense buds going on there. Don't let the one leaning against the wall break off!!

They're all leaning actually. Some of them I can balance for the pictures to make them look straight up and down and others I can't.

When they're in the grow room I put the heavy leaners on the outside parts of the grow area so they have support from the tent walls. The other smaller plants that lean are supported by the bigger plants secondary growths.

2-3 of them definitely look like they'll be done in 2 weeks (at least I hope so) the rest I am not so sure about.

I have 6 plants left now that one has decided to die on me.

[d4twamp]

try to tie them leaner's up so they don't snap...

[daihashi]

try to tie them leaner's up so they don't snap...

From where they sit in the pot to the top of the cola is 5ft. There is nothing I can use tie them to because anything that I could tie it to at that height would have to go very deep into the soil and it would disturb the roots. Something I would prefer not to do..

I'm very careful. They won't snap because I use 1 hand on the cola and the other on the pot to stabilize the plant when moving them and I put the leaning side so it's always against the tent when they are soaking up some rays :).

[Weedhound]

-Sorry to hear about your one plant......that quick a death does indeed sound like root rot. Are you using a zyme product and are you sure it's not outdated. Your others can catch it as well. I recommend Cannazym myself.

[daihashi]

-Sorry to hear about your one plant......that quick a death does indeed sound like root rot. Are you using a zyme product and are you sure it's not outdated. Your others can catch it as well. I recommend Cannazym myself.

I'm not using any zyme products. I went ahead and just pulled it out of the room. I will pick up some cannazyme tomorrow and use some from here till end of harvest for safety.

[daihashi]

Watered all my plants today. I meant to take pictures but whenever I do a photoshoot I end up taking a really long time and I have plans shortly. The plants are looking great though. I'm uncertain if they'll be done in a week though. I think half of them MAY be done next week but might need up to 2 weeks to be completed. The other half of the plants look like they'll be done about 2 weeks after those.

I need to go to home depot to buy a timer so I can turn my 400 watt hydro grow into flowering. I may have to have my 2 rooms overlap the time frame they are flowering in. I don't have another room for my mother plants at the moment and will need the time between the 2 rooms to alternate so I can keep them in 24/7.

This is only temporary as I plan to have another 600 watt area setup during the beginning part of next year.

Once my 600 watt room is done I will be taking my cuttings I took last week and putting them in there. I want to fill that room up as much as possible. More plants, less yield per plant. But also looks like the least amount of hassle. As it stands right now all I do is check the PH of my hydro setup in the morning.. again when I get home from work and change out the resevoir once a week. Maybe top it off if I feel it needs it. Hassle free grow. I love it (so far anyway.. I probably just jinxed myself).

I will try to get pics next feeding/watering. Hopefully they'll be done by then since I really need the space and I am anxious to get the cure/harvest going.

[d4twamp]

Good Growing D...Truely a job well done...

[Weedhound]

How are your clones doing? Any hydroton issues?

[daihashi]

How are your clones doing? Any hydroton issues?

The clones are getting HUGE so fast. They were 3 inch cuttings but now some are about 8 inches or more. I need to cut them over to 12/12 asap. I'm probably going to top a few of them soon to try to keep the canopy about the same height.

No hydrotron issues; my plants look really great. I'm astounded at how well they look in hydro. They look as good if not better than my coco plants.

I'll snap some pictures for you tonight when I get home. I'm pretty proud of them.

[LolaGal]

Looking great daihashi! I told you I've been lurking for a while. Good job farming.

[d4twamp]

I'll snap some pictures for you tonight when I get home. I'm pretty proud of them.

As you should be...Glad you stuck it out, doesn't it feel so gooooood....

[daihashi]

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As you should be...Glad you stuck it out, doesn't it feel so gooooood....

I have to admit.. I do love hydro it's sooooooooooooooooooo easy.. :-D

[LolaGal]

^Yeah, I wanna try it when I grow up! :)

Right now, just not cost effective to try hydro...but I've been reading! I have such hard time getting access to basic soil, additives etc. I have to import things from California most of the time.

[Weedhound]

I have a friend that absolutely HATES hydro.....hates being "chained" to the ph and res changes etc etc etc even though she's seen my yields vs her own casual approach to growing (and believe me......I DO mean CASUAL) but that's the way she likes to grow.
I enjoy the dirt.....to a degree......but I'll never part with my hydro. ;)

[daihashi]

I have a friend that absolutely HATES hydro.....hates being "chained" to the ph and res changes etc etc etc even though she's seen my yields vs her own casual approach to growing (and believe me......I DO mean CASUAL) but that's the way she likes to grow.
I enjoy the dirt.....to a degree......but I'll never part with my hydro. ;)

I have to say I'm a believer now. Here are the pics I promised you of the clones in their hydro setup. Aside from my mother plants and the occassional cuttings I take to keep the plants pruned; I don't think I'll really grow in soil type medium again. Hydro is just too awesome.

[Weedhound]

Excellent work! You should be proud....everything looks great. You struck me as the analytical type who would do well in hydro......just get your chain out. :D

[d4twamp]

Fuckin A D, lookin good over there bro...

[daihashi]

2 plants will probably be done in about 5-7 more days. And the other 4 are expected to be ready 7-9 days after these.

I gave those 2 plants a decent flush. They are in 3 gallon pots and I flushed them with 10 gallons of water. Just a little more than 3x the pot volume and I will only water them with plain PH'd water from here on out. I want to get these plants nice and yellow. I've already lost a significant number of leaves from yellowing which is great since I am going for a nice smooth smoke. It will really enhance my curing process to get as much of the chloryphyll/nitrogen used up as possible.

I have pictures which I'll post a little later. I'm in the middle of a poker tourney but I just wanted to give a quick update.

[daihashi]

Here are the pics I promised:

This plant needs about 2 more weeks

[daihashi]

This plant needs about 2 weeks

[daihashi]

This plant probably needs slight less than 2 weeks. I'd guess maybe 2-3 days less.

[daihashi]

This plant needs about a week or less

[daihashi]

This plant needs about a week or less.


I have 1 more plant in flower that I don't have pictures for. That plant will probably actually need about 2-3 weeks. It's far behind the others for some reason.

[daihashi]

I have good and bad news combined, about the same thing.

11 out of my 37 clones have rooted. When I say rooted I mean wow.. ROOTS. The other 26 I anticipate will be rooted very soon.

Now the problem. I will not have room in my flowering room for at least 2 weeks. I need to kind of keep the clones from growing over the next 2 weeks (growing bigger roots or foliage). Any suggestions?

Once I get 2 of my plants in the flower room I can probably fit about 12 clones into the flower room but I'd prefer to put them all in there at once. Any ideas would be appreciated.

[Weedhound]

Boy does that sound familiar.......sorry Dai, we never came up with a good answer either.......:cool:

[daihashi]

had some things happen and I've cut down my grow and thrown it out. I won't be growing again but will continue to help people on the forums whenever I can.

Thanks for staying tuned.

[michaelpeg]

you threw it out?? i would go dumpster diving anyday for that plant

[Weedhound]

Very sorry to hear that Dai. Hope everything else is ok.

[d4twamp]

Sup D, I jus' heard the word...Sorry to hear about the tear down...What happened if you don't mind me asking, and if you do mind jus' tell me to bug off...lol...

Hope all is well w/ you and your's bro...

D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Well just incase anyone was wondering I thought I'd update this thread. I tried 2 more times to grow this strain; both times I had ZERO luck. But I was trying out hydro.

I used stinky attics NFT setup. However I don't think it was the fault of the hydro setup or necessarily the strain. I think it was one of the following:

1. Resevoir not having enough oxygen.

This could've happened for a few reasons. The temp in the res could've been not optimal. Although I suspect it was probably no warmer than 72 degrees.

It also could've happend due to poorly aerating the water. I was using a waterfall effect to create aeration but in retrospect after much reading I found that my waterfall was not high enough above the resevoir they were returning to. In case anyone is trying aerating this way I would recommend no less than a 1ft drop for water fall effect.

2. Possible over nute, under nute, reverse osmosis

I generally fed at around 1200 ppm. I don't think I actually over nuted it and burned. What I actually think happened was there was a low amount of oxygen in the water; at least far less than what the plant needed. Cannabis likes about 9ppm of Dissolved oxygen, and this stressed the tips of the roots out.

At first symptoms looked like they were hungry for more nutes; but then I started getting signes of Ca/Mg deficiency. The entire time my pH stayed between 5.5 - 5.8, so I had ruled out PH and tried treating all these symptoms

In retrospect if my water had low amounts of dissolved oxygen and stressed out the roots then this would create a reverse osmosis effect in the plant. This would also create multiple symptoms/deficiencies that look similar to a lockout situation.

3. Light leaks, sealed room:

For a while on the second hydro attempt I ran CO2. I really can't say that I saw any benefits; but to be fair I did it completely wrong.

Currently I grow in tents; I have my inline fans int he attic with flexible ducting that connects to my cool tubes through the tent. Then the cool tube, then more flexible ducting going out of the tent and ending there so it's sucking the cool air room out.

Well in retrospect; even though I had the CO2 in the tent, that was absolutely retarded. I basically sucked out money into my attic. A light sealed room is very important, especially for resin production. It is also important to have your room sealed if you're running CO2.

With the room being unsealed I was basically sucking enriched air through my cool tube reducing/killing the benefit I get from extra CO2. In addition to this I was not exhausting the tent because I thought I had an enriched environment. Well the temps got up to about 82-85 sometimes and I just let it go since that seemed to be the upper limit when running CO2.

In retrospect I realize that my plants probably used very little of that CO2.. and had to deal with hotter than optimal temperatures (when you consider I had no extra co2 in the room). So this also compounded the problems.


4. I question my tap water

My tap water isn't bad. It measures at about 200-250ppm but the PH is pretty high at 7.4; however these are not the things I question. I question the number of hard solids in the water. I had obvious residue on my 5 gallon pots and on the dump tubes coming out of my leach trays. There was definitely a lot of calcium build up and this is not necessarily a good thing. I fear that it wreaked havoc on my roots and compounded other problems I was experiencing. I could explain more but I don't feel like explaining. If you look up the way Ca/Mg is absorbed through the root structure then you'll see how this would be a problem.

I feel the majority of the growth issues I had in hydro can be attributed to poor environmental controls.

Here's what I could do if I could do it again

1. Install a window that has been modified for indoor use or a portable a/c and get the ambient room temperature down to about 70. This should put the temps in the tent at 78. This would also help make the ambient temperature of my resevoirs cooler. Cooler water can hold more ppm of dissolved oxygen.

2. Add air stones to resevoirs in addition to a waterfall with a drop of at least 1 ft. The water will only take so much oxygen into it. I think at 59F degrees it can only hold 10.3ppm of dissolved oxygen.

3. Use RO water; or if for some reason you can't use RO water then buy one of those Mr. Clean carwash things and use that. I've seen other people use it and their water reading came out around 10-20ppm. That's not too bad. It costs a bit; 7 dollars for a refill filter; but I think you can get about 30 gallons or more out of one (icmag has a thread that has that specific information). I can't get my RO hooked up to my sink so I'm going to be going the Mr. Clean route until I do some plumbing work around here to be able to hook up my RO.

4. Seal the room. The best benefit from sealing the room is not that you can use CO2. The best benefit is that you are positive that there are zero light leaks. This ensures no hermies, no stalled growth, increased resin production and just peace of mind. The CO2 is just the bonus prize.

Hope this helps someone.

I have been looking through my thread and man some of these buds looked really good. It's funny I just went back to coco after wasting 2 15 week grows on SNLxNH in hydro.

In a furious rage (not really but I was annoyed) I cut the SNLxNH mother down.

Now I have some Mandala Speed Queens and Hashberry that I'm going to grow. I like to see fast growth otherwise I get bored with growing. SNLxNH just took too long and I never pumped out the weight other people seemed to get out of it. I think it's a combination of environment and maybe not the best genetics since I got the seeds from a hermied plant.

Hopefully these speed queens I have going will be better. Once I know what to expect from the Speed Queen in a SOG setting I will consider trying it in a hydro environment. However now that I've done soil, soilless, coco and hydro. I have to say that I prefer coco the best. It is a very forgiving medium.

[daihashi]

If I had to pick 1 culprit I would say res temps. I think res temps/DO was the main source of my 2 failed hydro grows. I'll try again after this next batch of coco clones.