New and Improved: Featuring Sour Northern Lights x Nevilles Haze

[daihashi]

Time to start the new grow. Vegging is always boring so there probably won't be too many updates in here until flowering starts. I hope to start flowering in about 5 weeks.

Currently I have 12 seeds sitting in a cup of water. These seeds came from a hermie but I'll have my handy dandy bottle of reverse on hand. The plant these came from hermied due to light leaks, which I have a completely sealed cabinet so this should not be a problem; and the reverse is for good measure.

I'll post some pics after the seeds break through the soil in a few days.

Does anyone have any experience with this strain? How does it smoke? How strong is it? How bad is the odor during veg? How much did you yield per watt/lumen?

:thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Just read through your last grow to get some background.
Impressive first grow man.
I hope this one will be as successful.

I'm here for the ride. Good luck.

Puffzter

[killa12345]

never tried the strain but sure sounds tasty.....Daihashi... who the breeder on those beans.....the combo sound to good to pass up! well anyways good luck on this grow!

[daihashi]

never tried the strain but sure sounds tasty.....Daihashi... who the breeder on those beans.....the combo sound to good to pass up! well anyways good luck on this grow!

I'm not sure of the breeder as I got these from a friend. A quick google search tells me "X-Line", so I'm not sure if that's the name of the breeder or if seed banks call all crosses "X-line".

Thanks, I think I've decided on growing in CoCo this time around with all Canna products.

Does anyone here know anything about CoCo and Calcium. I've read that it can interfere with the uptake of calcium to the actual plant.

[SnSstealth]

IT can be a MONSTER of a plant!!! Someone on here even got 18oz of ONE plant!!! I had a porblem with my 2, but I will be planting more...Weird leafs seem to be the norm with it too.
Subscribed!
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

all 12 of the seeds after soaking in the cup for about 15 hours or so have sunk. I've taken them out of the cup and put them in a moist paper towel until they crack.

Hopefully they'll crack in the next day or two and I can transplant them into their rapid rooters. :thumbsup:

[italian04]

hey man i am growing a northern lights * haze strain and im about 7 weeks into veg. ill be flowering when i get back from vegas nxt tues. its a beautiful plant. check out my log. there is a link in my sig. good luck with ur grow.

[jakezking]

daihashi, it's been awhile, my friend! Glad to see you've got another grow growin'. And, this one sounds like it will be a doozy - 12 beans of Sour NL x NH; you've got to like the NH. I've got a Colombian Red Haze (Colombian Red x Neville's Haze) brewing outside as we speak.

I'm looking forward to your log and seeing those mighty fine beans break through the soil to stretch out their cotyledons! I'd wish you good luck, but know you don't need it! Have a great weekend, amigo! Aloha

[daihashi]

7 out of 12 seeds have popped.

Well let me rephrase that, all seeds have cracked open and 7 out of 12 have a tiny bit of their taproot exposed. These will probably all be ready to transfer into their rapid rooters by tomorrow morning.

[daihashi]

So here are the specs of this grow:


11-12 Plants/seeds



400 Watt MH @ 7200K (vegging)



600 or 1000 Watt HPS (for Flowering, haven't decided yet.)

1 6" 424 CFM inline fan with carbon filter for Veg area, Hooked up through a cooltube with one end open so it is exhausting both the light and the area. Exhausting through a carbon filter


2 6" 424 CFM inline fans for Flower area. 1 dedicated to a completely enclose Cooltube, and the other exhausting the entire room through a carbon filter.

Distilled Water at 5.8 - 5.9 PH (for the first 3 weeks of veg I will be using tap water. Distilled water is too hard to PH without first adding CalMag, which contains nutes, or something to kind of buffer the PHdown.)

Canna COCO plant medium

Canna CoCo A/B nute set (Veg/Flower)

Canna PK 13-14 booster

CalMag+

Canna Boost (this seems to be pretty much like using Sweet to me. Since I'm going all Canna products this time around I think I'll use their version of 'Sweet')


For Plant/root health:


Canna Rhizotonic

Cannazym



Tools:


Thermometer/Hygrometer

EC/PPM meter

PH Meter





Here is a pic of 9 seeds that popped and showed their tap roots. I put them in rapid rooters that have been soaking in water ph'd at 5.9 and then covered the holes up top with a little bit of Canna COCO. This is to help keep the tap root humid and to help prevent the rapid rooter from drying out so quickly

They are under 3 CFL's for now and will will probably remain there the first 3-6 days or so after they break soil. After which I will put them under the MH lighting.

[daihashi]

9 out of 12 have popped through the rapid rooters. 3 out of 12 seemed to have died off. Tap roots came out but then went back into it's hull never to be seen again. I'm guessing maybe the rapid rooters weren't warm enough for them or maybe germination wasn't warm enough in the towel.

Someone posted that these plants have weird leaves and they're right. 1 of the plants was born with it's cotyledon leaves but only 1 true leaf :wtf:
Two of the plants that has popped only shows the cotyledons and no true leaves. Really weird! :wtf:

The other 6 plants look somewhat normal. Hopefully they outgrow this funkyness soon. I'm going to try to put them under the MH light starting Saturday morning. Hopefully the root system will be built enough to be able to handle it.

We'll see, if nothing else I have like 16 more beans. :thumbsup:

I'll post pics up tonight of the funkyness.

[SnSstealth]

I gotta lot of weird growth outta these seeds...Odd shaped leaves...weird growth patterns...Didn't seem to affect actual growth much at all...At least on the ones that survived...lol
A lot of them didn't make it...but when you get a couple that do....SOOO worth it
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

I gotta lot of weird growth outta these seeds...Odd shaped leaves...weird growth patterns...Didn't seem to affect actual growth much at all...At least on the ones that survived...lol
A lot of them didn't make it...but when you get a couple that do....SOOO worth it
whiskeytango

well, I have 4-6 that look like they'll make it.. no problem. I may start germinating about 6 more beans. I really wanted to have 12 plants minimum this time around since i'll be doing SOG probably. I figure about 1-2 oz per plant (this is assuming I some how screw things up.. I've heard this plant yields pretty good, which will give me plenty to smoke and help out some of my Sick buddies with :jointsmile:

[McToker]

Sounds like a very interesting strain. Might be a bit tall for my grow area but if you don't mind, I'd like to follow along on your grow and see how it goes.

[daihashi]

Sounds like a very interesting strain. Might be a bit tall for my grow area but if you don't mind, I'd like to follow along on your grow and see how it goes.

The more the merrier! I'd be more than happy to have you follow along with this log. Thanks for checking in!

[SnSstealth]

Not sure this strain is good for SOG...seems that the others that have grown it on here, it seems to be a monster bush strain...Think WH has grown this a few times...lol Ask her about SOG for it...
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

Not sure this strain is good for SOG...seems that the others that have grown it on here, it seems to be a monster bush strain...Think WH has grown this a few times...lol Ask her about SOG for it...
whiskeytango

Thanks for the heads up. I'll see if I can find some of her logs on it. :hippy:

[daihashi]

Put 6 more seeds into a cup to pop before I transfer to a towel or rapid rooter.

Here is a pic of he current 9 plants and some of their funkyness. I have 4 that look completely normal and the rest look a little like odd balls.

[Weedhound]

I'm with Stealth.....I've had some FUNKIES with these seeds but also some nice ones so it's kind of up for grabs.......hope you get a bunch of good growers in your group. :)

[daihashi]

I'm with Stealth.....I've had some FUNKIES with these seeds but also some nice ones so it's kind of up for grabs.......hope you get a bunch of good growers in your group. :)

What did you do with the funky ones? Did they ever grow into themselves?

[Weedhound]

Yes some did.....but never really flourished so if you're pushed for space....dump them first. ;)

[SnSstealth]

With what we have learned, Ill be popping maybe 7-8 beans this go round to have 3-4 keepers. You will notice the wackiness pretty soon, and like WH said, I would just cull em.
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

Yes some did.....but never really flourished so if you're pushed for space....dump them first. ;)

Not really pushedfor space.. more pushed for time. So I'll probably dump them if they don't pick up the pace in 3-4 days. I've got 6 more seeds germinating in the mean time.

Thanks for the heads up :) :thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Subscrizibed!
I'll be rooting you on. Probably won't have alot of insight with my limited experience! But I will be a cheerleader!
Gimme a D
Gimme a A
Gimme a Joint!
What were we talking about?:jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Yup, I'm tuning in to your log too. Best of luck, Bub.

[daihashi]

bleh.. so It looks like I have 1 decent/normal plant out of 11 seeds.

I have 3 others that look normal but have blackening around the edges of the leaves and the new leaves are coming out kind of greyish/black and the remaining 7 plants are deformed in some way.

I have 3 from the 6 I germinated sprouting and I have 3 more in the rapid rooters waiting to sprout. Hopefully I'll have some winners in that bunch.

I may have to change my plans this grow incase things don't work out. I may just LST with some liquid light and make a really good mother to where I can get 20 cuttings at one time, let them root very well, then let them veg for 2 weeks before doing a SOG flower.

As long as I can get at least 1 good plant from this I'll be happy because I can make plenty more after that.

[Weedhound]

Dai can you put up a photo? That sounds wrong....even with junk seeds. You should get at least half good ones.

[daihashi]

Dai can you put up a photo? That sounds wrong....even with junk seeds. You should get at least half good ones.

I'll go grab one right now.

[Weedhound]

Dang it son I've lost your email.....email me if you still have mine.....;)

[daihashi]

Dang it son I've lost your email.....email me if you still have mine.....;)

I'm sure I have it.. I have to find it. Here are some pics of the plants. All the seedlings in the rapid rooters are deformed. I couldn't get a good picture of them for some reason.

The other 6 pots have 4 plants that look normal but have weird black discoloration on them. 1 plant is just straight up deformed, and 1 plant looks like how I think they should look.

[daihashi]

The close up in this one is how I believe they should all look. This one looks fairly healthy when compared to the rest of them.

[daihashi]

FYI, I'm growing in Canna Coco presoaked in PH 6.0 water, watering once a day with ph 6.0 water.

There are no nutes in the coco, it is inert pretty much and will take on the ph properties of whatever you feed it. They say treat coco similar to hydro and I've been kind of been doing that following the guidelines at ICmag.

I don't know the EC of my water, I could move to distilled with calmag if needed though, I have both on hand.

[Weedhound]

Coco.....my mortal enemy. I know ZERO about coco. I swear that looks like a ph issue to me. Most of the time my kids crack looking normal.....and then funk up later.

I've always had the questions of this....are Rapid rooters hydro or soil? So are you supposed to use soil ph or hydro ph with them?

I've always used regular water when things are in RR....ph approximately 6.6.....not r o or distilled but I HAVE put them then into my hydro setup at baby age and then begun watering them with something along the ph of 5.7 and they do fine as well.

That just LOOKS like a ph issue to me. Perhaps try watering your kids with normal water but ph'd to 6.5-6.6 and see if it makes a difference.

There shouldn't be a nute issue at this stage....it has to be ph somehow.

STINKY!! :D

[Weedhound]

And if you can in some way.....check the runoff of the water from the rr's......just curious......

[Weedhound]

Some of those kids DO HAVE the funked up look I have come to know.

Hmmm.....I don't hold out alot of hope for those........unless someone else can spot the issue.....it COULD be the seeds with those tweaky looks.....

Send me an email when you have a chance. We may have to start over with something different than these sucky little devils.

[daihashi]

Coco.....my mortal enemy. I know ZERO about coco. I swear that looks like a ph issue to me. Most of the time my kids crack looking normal.....and then funk up later.

I initially though PH also, but my run off checks out to be 6.0


I've always had the questions of this....are Rapid rooters hydro or soil? So are you supposed to use soil ph or hydro ph with them?


I've been told to treat it as hydro. While in the rapid rooters I feed with PH 5.9 water. I heard the roots really like it better in the RR.




That just LOOKS like a ph issue to me. Perhaps try watering your kids with normal water but ph'd to 6.5-6.6 and see if it makes a difference.

There shouldn't be a nute issue at this stage....it has to be ph somehow.

Definitely not nute related. If it wasn't for the history of the seeds I'd post this problem at ICmag but I would like to narrow down my problem somewhat before I go post pics of my mutated plants.. heh


STINKY!! :D

STINK!!!!!!! HALP! :hippy:

[daihashi]

Also is it possible I introduced them to the MH too soon? They all seemed to have a pretty good root system built up in the Rapid Rooters.

They are approximately 9 days old from when the tap root first broke through the seed. They sat under CFLs for 6 days and friday evening I moved them under the MH.

Was this too premature? I did my entire Veg with CFL's last time so I'm not sure if I'm shocking them with too much light at once. They're under a 400 watt MH right now.

[SnSstealth]

D...looks to me like your using Hydro Ph levels in soil. I have always kept my soil plants 6.7-7.0.But IMHO the Ph is way off....
Other than that, most of my SNLxNH also got the purpleish new growth, and funky grow patterns, wacked out leaves and such.
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

I don't think it's you dai.....i think it may be your seeds and/or something about coco that I just don't know about. But I wouldn't put it past those buggers to just grow funky to make life hard......a good half of mine have been useless devils.

edit: I don't think it's your lighting but how far away from the mh are they? They don't look burned.....it's just looks like a ph thing. They're curly even for my freaky little devils

PS....you've recently calibrated your ph meter of course.......just typing out loud......:D

[daihashi]

D...looks to me like your using Hydro Ph levels in soil. I have always kept my soil plants 6.7-7.0.But IMHO the Ph is way off....
Other than that, most of my SNLxNH also got the purpleish new growth, and funky grow patterns, wacked out leaves and such.
whiskeytango

Coco is technically goes by neither. This is from a sticky from ICmag in their Coco specific forum:


i just thought it could be nice to start a thread with tips for growing in coco - but using handwatering and pots..

since im kind of busy i thought this could run on a question and answer basis - also if other growers feel like chipping in with their bit it would be cool.

first of with the do's and dont's:


do check ur PH! - range from 5.5 to 6.5 works really well
do make sure you use nutes specific for coco! - this will give the best results and easy of use.
do make sure you use pots big enough for the watering intervals you want to have. bigger pots means less watering.
do make sure you have some run off when watering. about 10-15% is enough.
do make sure the coco never gets dry - this is a hydro medium. watering often gives better results.


DONT treat coco like a soil grow.



growing in coco gives great results outdoors also. it slightly more expensive than soil growing - but the end results will speak for them selves. huge yields and lots of flavour!

[daihashi]

I don't think it's you dai.....i think it may be your seeds and/or something about coco that I just don't know about. But I wouldn't put it past those buggers to just grow funky to make life hard......a good half of mine have been useless devils.

edit: I don't think it's your lighting but how far away from the mh are they? They don't look burned.....it's just looks like a ph thing. They're curly even for my freaky little devils

PS....you've recently calibrated your ph meter of course.......just typing out loud......:D

Even if I can get one it will be ok. I can milk that sucker for all the side shoots she's worth :hippy:

[SnSstealth]

DONT treat coco like a soil grow.....HA! OK, never did coco, I stand corrected. As far as that strain though, its the beans, not you
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Even if I can get one it will be ok. I can milk that sucker for all the side shoots she's worth :hippy:

Thats what I am going for!! :greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

DONT treat coco like a soil grow.....HA! OK, never did coco, I stand corrected. As far as that strain though, its the beans, not you
whiskeytango

You said that yours eventually did grow out of this funkiness right?

[SnSstealth]

Nope, I havent had one make it yet, but I only did batches of 6-10 before. Not lookin too good.
By the way, all these phrases are underlined on my screen now, and everytime I accidentally click one it takes me to another page....annoying as hell
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

That IS annoying as hell......I just noticed it myself too Stealth.

Yeah....I dont' like the look of those either Dai.....I'd be more sure if I knew about coco but I don't .......sorry......:(

Yes you have to kiss a lot of frogs.......but you may need a few more frogs to start with. And different kinds of frogs as well.

[daihashi]

That IS annoying as hell......I just noticed it myself too Stealth.

Yeah....I dont' like the look of those either Dai.....I'd be more sure if I knew about coco but I don't .......sorry......:(

Yes you have to kiss a lot of frogs.......but you may need a few more frogs to start with. And different kinds of frogs as well.

If these don't work out I'm going to just break down and buy 3 different strains with similar flower times, but I'm hoping at least one makes it. I'd like to keep this as one of mothers at least. Everything I've read about this strain makes it sound like it really packs a punch.

[Weedhound]

When it all comes together its a GREAT strain imo.....I LOVE it myself but have had the same issues as Stealth getting them to finish.

I'm about to start a new log as well so I'm off to take photos of my SNL x NH and haze plants. Watch out for a new log today or tomorrow.

Dai, I'll keep an eye and hope you figure things out.

[SnSstealth]

Its hard to notice new logs now, I have had one up a while, lol...So feel free to jack any of mine to link your new one WH.... Ill pop the rest of my SNLxNH in about 10 days, so we can all see. Who knows, I got the magic touch, lol...Got the church to go, got clones now.:greenthumb:
Dai...we have mutual friends, Im sure someone reading this can give ya my email...Storks are flying around a lot lately:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

Its hard to notice new logs now, I have had one up a while, lol...So feel free to jack any of mine to link your new one WH.... Ill pop the rest of my SNLxNH in about 10 days, so we can all see. Who knows, I got the magic touch, lol...Got the church to go, got clones now.:greenthumb:
Dai...we have mutual friends, Im sure someone reading this can give ya my email...Storks are flying around a lot lately:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

I've asked for it to be passed along.

On a plant note, I went ahead and moved the plants 6 more inches back from the light since that was the only thing I was slightly unsure of.

Out of the 6 seeds only 5 germinated and all 5 of those have broken through the top of the rapid rooter. Let's see if I can get more than 1 plant that is worthy to become a mother. :hippy:

[stinkyattic]

Purple coloration is common in low temps. I don't really see a problem- seedlings don't all look perfect all the time, lol.
Run coco at a pH centered around 6.2/6.3. It's soilless.
You can run MH from the very start- that is not an issue unless you can't maintain temps or soil moisture.

Can we please not discuss any storks on open forum? Thank you. It's been a problem all along and has been getting out of hand lately.

[Puffzter]

What do you mean with storks Stinky?
Don't understand and don't wanna do something stupid.

That said.
You can even go lower than that with benefits concerning pH.

5.6-5.8 seems to be on target.
Water often, in fact you can't overwater as long as the pots are drained its fine. I water mine to runoff every 12-18 hours. Hard on nutes.
I use Hesi Coco line and was up on 100% strength when they were 18 days old and still no burning. I went to 150% with vegg nutes and started bloom nutes on 150% and went to 175% very fast. Now I am going 200%.

Now natrually you need to keep ppm monitored as different lines have different built in concentrations. But they should be able to take 1000 ppm after 3 weeks (from seed) and from there you can go up to 1600-1700 gradually over the coming weeks.

I clone straight into coco as well, no cubes. Works as a charm. I just water through the coco completelly with 300% Root Complex (Hesi) pH corrected and plant the clones freshly cut with some rooting hormones on the stems.

If your pH was between 5.3 and 6.5 it wont be a pH issue you have exeprienced. You wont have a problem using MH either as long as temp is fine you wont burn them with light. That leaves 2 likelly reasons just as stated here.
Under nuted/overnuted or genetics. (Yes you can under nute seedlings in coco)
As Stinky sais seedlings wont look perfect all the time always. Just look at mine early in the log and they turned out fine. They were so sick.
Control every parameter that you can and if those checks out fine just let them grow. As long as they grow nicelly they will bounce back from flaws and turn out fine.
The third possibility would be disease/pests but I hold that as unlikelly in this case.

If you get unexplained problems flush them with pH corrected water and then directly after add the nuted mix pH corrected and checked for correct ppm. Normally that will help. Coco grows reacts very fast.

Puffzter

[daihashi]

What do you mean with storks Stinky?
Don't understand and don't wanna do something stupid.

That said.
You can even go lower than that with benefits concerning pH.

5.6-5.8 seems to be on target.


yeah, I may go lower eventually. For now I'm staying at the 5.9-6.0 range because I know nothing get's locked out there. If my plants look like they pick up the pace soon I may lower it a point down to 5.8.


Water often, in fact you can't overwater as long as the pots are drained its fine. I water mine to runoff every 12-18 hours. Hard on nutes.
I use Hesi Coco line and was up on 100% strength when they were 18 days old and still no burning. I went to 150% with vegg nutes and started bloom nutes on 150% and went to 175% very fast. Now I am going 200%.

Right now they are in 16 oz (estimated) sized pots. I used 30% perlite to 70% Canna Coco. I water them with about 8 oz of water and check on them again before I go to sleep. If the soil looks like it may dry out before I wake up in the morning I go ahead and water them. I also water them first thing when I wake up. This medium is really fantastic, it never get's sopping wet, it just stays nice and moist and well aerated.

I suspect even if I didn't have the perlite that it would not get soggy/sopping wet. As an added bonus these pots never get heavy compared to soil. I'm having to learn the 'weight' of the pot all over again.

I'll be going with Canna Coco nutes and calmag at the recommended feeding schedule. If all goes well this grow I'll increase the dose for next grow.


Now natrually you need to keep ppm monitored as different lines have different built in concentrations. But they should be able to take 1000 ppm after 3 weeks (from seed) and from there you can go up to 1600-1700 gradually over the coming weeks.

I really need to go get an EC meter. Unfortunatley funds are kind of tight until Sept 19th or so. I'll see if I can break down and buy one before then. For now I'm just using tap water until flowering. It contains the Cal/Mag I need and it's easier to control the PH since it's already got other things in the water to help buffer the ph down.

Once I go to flower I'll be switching over to distilled water only (eventually I'll buy an RO system) and monitoring my EC/PPM

I clone straight into coco as well, no cubes. Works as a charm. I just water through the coco completelly with 300% Root Complex (Hesi) pH corrected and plant the clones freshly cup with some rooting hormones on the stems.


If your pH was between 5.3 and 6.5 it wont be a pH issue you have exeprienced. You wont have a problem using MH either as long as temp is fine you wont burn them with light. That leaves 2 likelly reasons just as stated here.

I suspected as much. This is my first time growing with coco and vegging under HID. I didn't anticipate either my light or my PH being an issue, but because of the weirdness that came out of the seeds I thought it would be better to check in.

At least now I have confidence that it's not me and is probably just the seeds.


Under nuted/overnuted or genetics. (Yes you can under nute seedlings in coco)
As Stinky sais seedlings wont look perfect all the time always. Just look at mine early in the log and they turned out fine. They were so sick.
Control every parameter that you can and if those checks out fine just let them grow. As long as they grow nicelly they will bounce back from flaws and turn out fine.
The third possibility would be disease/pests but I hold that as unlikelly in this case.

Puffzter

Thanks for chiming in.. the more in my log the merrier. Hopefully these plants take off. In the mean time I've been babying them pretty well. I move in about 3-4 weeks and I hope that they will be done with vegging so I can put them into flower right away. All my parameters are under control. I guess I'm just freaked out by having so many of my seeds sprout out mutated. I know the genetics were a little shakey but I wasn't expecting all of them to look like they have issues. Even if I can get just 1 to grow it will be worth it.


We'll see. Stay in touch.. not too many coco growers on this forum. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Plants are growing great. They are finally growing out of some of their funkiness. I have at least 4 plants I'm definitely keeping.. possibly 5.

Then I have 8 newly sprouted plants that are about 10 days behind these plants. They will be going into their own small pots soon (probably tonight when the lights come back on.)

I gave them a light feeding here is the solution I mixed:

16oz Distilled water
.66 ml CalMag
.25 ml Canna Coco A Nutrient
.25 ml Canna Coco B Nutrient
PH'd between 5.7-5.9

Each plant received 8oz of water/solution.

What did I learn about this today? When using distilled water make your mixture in more than 16 oz of water. It's hard as hell to set the PH in such a little amount of water.

Next time I'll be mixing up half a gallon instead. I used 3 16 oz cups worth to water them, so it's almost half a gallon.

Pics will be coming this Saturday or Sunday. They have grown considerably since the last pics and are looking fantastic.

[daihashi]

WT and Weedhound... What problem did you have exactly trying to get them to finish? Did they herm on you? I know light leaks are to be avoided with this particular batch of seeds, more so than non hermed seeds.

[Puffzter]

Hehe I know what you mean. Once you pass the buffert value of the water a drop of pH down might send you to pH3-4 in so small amounts.
I keep a 10 gallon tank that I mix in these days because of the hazzle.

Good luck with the transplants m8.

Puffzter

[TheMetal1]

Nice log Dai... good read. I just got my fall catalog and was checking out the coco section. Seems like a nice medium when you work out the kinks.

Oh yeah, has anyone ever referred to Sour Northern Lights as "Sour-ora Borealis?"

Haha I thought that would be sweeeet :jointsmile: Is Aurora Borealis trademarked? lol

[daihashi]

Hehe I know what you mean. Once you pass the buffert value of the water a drop of pH down might send you to pH3-4 in so small amounts.
I keep a 10 gallon tank that I mix in these days because of the hazzle.

Good luck with the transplants m8.

Puffzter

You hand water also correct? Do you have to throw any air stones in your tank? Canna nutes are expensive so I'm trying to avoid premixing a large amount and then have it go bad.

Oh yeah.. forgot to mention today is about day 9 since they popped through the soil. So today is day 9 of Veg

[daihashi]

Nice log Dai... good read. I just got my fall catalog and was checking out the coco section. Seems like a nice medium when you work out the kinks.

Oh yeah, has anyone ever referred to Sour Northern Lights as "Sour-ora Borealis?"

Haha I thought that would be sweeeet :jointsmile: Is Aurora Borealis trademarked? lol

The only bugs I really see with Coco is nutrient uptake. The coco competes for Calcium/magneseum but that's about the only problem that I've seen. Most of these issues can be avoided if you use Coco specific nutrient line.

Coco is fantastic I have to say Here are some of the pros:


Impossible to overwater. Coco is very much like a sponge in that it will only absorb so much and then the rest will run off. Soil will retain moisture and water pockets, the properties of Coco just don't allow for this to happen. So water often, your medium will always maintain the perfect moisture conditions.
Coco is pretty inert. There is some buffering in there but it typically will take on the PH of whatever you water with. This makes it very convenient as you don't have to worry about measuring your run off so frequetly
Coco comes from the husks/shells of coconuts. It is completely free of soil pests and soil diseases.
Coco naturally provides more root aeration for plants... this really seems to grow faster due to this.
Coco loves to be in the same PH range as hydro. Which is great as the roots like to be in a slightly more acidic environment than soil or a soiless grow will allow.


That's all I've figured out about coco so far in my 9 days of using it. I love this medium and honestly I'll never go back to soil and so far I question whether I would want to even go to hydro.

Coco seems to be a nice in between for soil/hydro. You get the benefits of hydro with some of the buffering of soil and ease of managing the soil temperature (ie you don't have to chill/warm your water like you do in hydro.. the medium takes care of this for you).

I am very happy with coco. :thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

You hand water also correct? Do you have to throw any air stones in your tank? Canna nutes are expensive so I'm trying to avoid premixing a large amount and then have it go bad.

Oh yeah.. forgot to mention today is about day 9 since they popped through the soil. So today is day 9 of Veg

Ye I handwater and why would it go bad?
I stir the tank everytime I water (every 12-18 hours) and it's all fine.
My 5 plants drink close to 1½ gallon/day so the 10 gallon tank is cleaned up and refilled every 4-6 days depending on how much I filled it last time.
I clean and fill with tapwater. Let it stand withouyt lid for 12-18 hours and mix nutes and pH correct it and after that it stands with lid on ubntil it's empty.

Puffzter

[daihashi]

Ye I handwater and why would it go bad?
I stir the tank everytime I water (every 12-18 hours) and it's all fine.
My 5 plants drink close to 1½ gallon/day so the 10 gallon tank is cleaned up and refilled every 4-6 days depending on how much I filled it last time.
I clean and fill with tapwater. Let it stand withouyt lid for 12-18 hours and mix nutes and pH correct it and after that it stands with lid on ubntil it's empty.

Puffzter

I was concerned with salt and also with bacteria building on the surface of the water.

[Puffzter]

No problems. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Shoot......sorry I forgot....dai.....will do it right now.

[daihashi]

Shoot......sorry I forgot....dai.....will do it right now.

lol.. no worries.. there's a hurricane coming for me so I have other pressing issues to worry about :D.

You mentioned that you had problems getting them to finish.. what did you mean, did they hermie on you all the time or what?

Thanks

[Weedhound]

No they got rootbound.....I was growing in those damn small buckets before and it always caused issues.

Check out my haze grow log......in my sig.....just turned an SNL x NH about two weeks ago.

[daihashi]

switched my lighting to 24/0. Trying to get in some extra hours of light just incase the storm knocks out my power.

I will feed again tomorrow also at 1/4 strength nutes.

Unfortunatley I will not be here this weekend to look after the plants. I have to go to work and ride out the storm. It's great overtime for me, but I'd rather be with my babies and g/f.

Not to mention my poor dog will be scared to death.. bleh

I'm going to premix a nute solution and show my g/f how to water/feed the plants. Hopefully I will be home by Sunday and the plants will be ok.

Wish me luck all.

:hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

I'm going to premix a nute solution and show my g/f how to water/feed the plants. Hopefully I will be home by Sunday and the plants will be ok.

Wish me luck all.

:hippy:

Famous last words! I hope not! Good luck!:jointsmile:

[daihashi]

Famous last words! I hope not! Good luck!:jointsmile:

I've actually decided to just pre PH some water and let her water with plain water. I didn't want to come home to burnt plants or plants with lockout due to PH issues. rofl

[TheMetal1]

That's good thinking. I was just imagining you coming back home to fried plants and your girlfriend asking "Was the plant food supposed to be all chunky and the smell burn my nose?" Haha leaving the pre-pH'd water is a nice rational solution. That will get tucked away in my advice folder.

Hey... Good Luck with the storm Dai. We'll see you when you get back :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

I remember one post where a guy had his g/f water while he was gone for a day or two.
She ended up watering everything with straight ph down.....right out of the brown bottle. Needless to say the plants croaked pronto and I don't think the relationship lasted either.

[daihashi]

I remember one post where a guy had his g/f water while he was gone for a day or two.
She ended up watering everything with straight ph down.....right out of the brown bottle. Needless to say the plants croaked pronto and I don't think the relationship lasted either.

ARGH

luckily for me I gave her like an hour long tutorial, and I quizzed her half a day later and had her actually perform the watering in front of me. She did it right. I gave her enough ph water to last 2 days.

I PH'd the water at 5.4, I know the PH tends to rise if it sits for a few days. After two days I don't anticipate it being any higher than 6.5-6.8 which is still adequate for coco (just not ideal).

If I am still not home I will have her water with tap water (ph 7.0). It's not great, but it's better than letting the coco dry out. That would destroy my plants that are looking beautiful.

Weedhound, when you ran your SNLxNH did you get any variegated plants? I got a few and they are pretty. I hope their variegation is more pronounced as they get bigger.

[daihashi]

argh! My g/f decided to leave and go to her mom's house.... I want her to be safe it's just frustrating because I made plans revolving around her being home.

Either way I had her drench the plants.. completely soak as much as possible. I also had her cut out the lights and the fans. Hopefully there will be enough water in the medium to last it about 2 days or so.

Wish my plants luck :hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

I hope you are both safe.
It is ironic though, I mean with all the water that is coming your way, that you know, the plants might go dry!:) I hope they are safe also. Good luck.

[jakezking]

dai, I hope you and your plants survive Ike well. He looks like a mean murf. I can't bring myself to read/look at the devastation in his path - I've dealt with hurricanes for many years, and unless you see the aftermath, you just can't imagine it. Hopefully, you are far enough inland you didn't have to deal with the surge issues.

Sounds like your plants are doing great, and have turned around nicely! My Red Colombian Haze started out a little shaky. All of my Red Colombian x NH are incredibly small beans to start. And, I had to force her cotlyedons open for light. She was a stretcher, but has since become a beautiful plant. I'm glad to hear yours have made it through their rocky beginnings, and I hope they are fine upon your return - I had some issues like yours not long ago.

Good luck, dai - stay safe, my friend!

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey hash. I'm also growing in coco and couldn't agree more. my hydro guy told me to try it out for my next grow and honestly, it's the best stuff if you're not using a hydro system.

Was wondering if you posting pics of the progress or just documenting it all? Looking forward to seeing the haze.


morning

[danish]

Crossing fingers for both you the g/f and your plants through the hurricane, will check back for this grow

[daihashi]

Ok.. so I've regained internet access on my Sprint Air card so here are a few updates:

My place is fine with the exception of one of the front windows being broken out. Not a big deal, got some water inside but no serious damage that I could see.

Just about all of houston is without power right now, so I still do not have power to light my plants.

When I checked on the plants last night they were very moist. And suprisingly they've grown a TON in the dark. I really can't wait to get the lights back on them. They should have enough water in their pots to last them another day. Turning off the fans and light + drowning the plants in water seems to have been a good strategy for keeping them alive. They are looking great, a little droopy but plants always seem to be a bit droopy in the dark.

Beyond that everything is fine at my house. I hope power will be restored soon so I can go back to my house and assess the damage with some more lighting, but for now everything looks about as good as it can look.

I'll give more updates with pics when I get home.

Thanks for checking in everyone.

[McToker]

Sure glad y'all are safe. Hope you folks see a quick return to normal routines. I guess we don't have a smiley for "including you and your neighbors in our prayers".

[d4twamp]

don't live around those canes' the only thing Ike's affected for me is the postponing of the WEC event in FL. that and missing the updated pics from those SNLxNH girls or' there D... what is the flowering time on that strain.
btw hope all is well on the home front..

D:S5:

[daihashi]

another update..

plants were dying when I came home... not because of water.. they were still plenty moist.. but rather because of no light.

Leaves are looking sad and yellow. I've placed them near a window in the mean time. Unfortunately I don't have a southbound window I can utilize to catch more sun..

Well I do but it's plywooded up. I'm going to try to take it out with a screwdrive but I used a power drill so I'm not sure how well that's going to go.

Hopefully they'll come back to life soon.. sigh.. fucking hurricane is really screwing alot of things up in my life right now.

[jakezking]

daihashi, I hope you get everything sorted from Ike. Herricans ain't no fun - trust me I know what I'm talking about. I hope you are able to keep your girls alive, but more importantly I hope the rest of your life comes back into smooth order. Take good care out there, my friend!

[italian04]

damn ike sucked. my rents are still down in houston. pretty crazy. daihashi, check out my grow log. my northern brights are lookin mighty fine. gl on ur grow.

[daihashi]

well.. still no power. I'm down chilling at an ice house on my computer.

A number of my plants are really starting to look pretty sick. I'm going to give them a feeding and ph the water. It looks like lockout situation almost. I'm guessing they didn't like the 7.2 ph tap water my g/f fed them after she ran out of ph'd water.

I'll flush them out and feed them later today.

In the mean time I'm going to enjoy a few beers.

[daihashi]

Quick update.. don't want to go into detail because I'm exhausted, sick, and worn out... so here we go

I have electricity

Plants aren't looking to great. They are kind of yellow/Green from lack of light and nutrition. It appears a couple of the plants are suffering either from lock out or cal/mag issues. I'm going to go with calmag since I'm growing in coco and it's notorious for leaching it out.

I suppose it could be worse considering I didn't really do much to try to keep the plants alive.

There is some spotting, but I anticipate that the plants will bounce back.

I have 2 seedlings that will make it definitely if nothing else and I can mother those.

I wish I had taken pics of the plants before the storm hit so everyone could see how beautiful they were looking.

I'll probably take pics in about a week or so once they've had some time to recover.

I flushed all the plants with ph 5.7 water and then I fed with the following

3ml Canna Coco nute A
3ml Canna Coco nute B
5ml Calmag
1 gallon of tap water (yes it's safe where I live).

After I flushed the plants I fed them all with 8oz of nuted solution ph'd to 5.8

We'll see how they're doing soon. Their leaves are pretty thin and soft feeling; hopefully the new growth will recover.

On a positive note the root systems of these plants are looking fantastic. :thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

They will bounce back m8 don't you worry.
And isn't it just insane how the roots grow in coco man?

Just make sure you always water with a bit of runoff to ease on the salt build up and fluch once every week or every 10 days when you up the nutes above 1300ppm or so.

Waiting for those pics.

Puffzter

[daihashi]

They will bounce back m8 don't you worry.
And isn't it just insane how the roots grow in coco man?

Just make sure you always water with a bit of runoff to ease on the salt build up and fluch once every week or every 10 days when you up the nutes above 1300ppm or so.

Waiting for those pics.

Puffzter

I do have to say I am truely amazed at how coco effects the root system. These roots look very strong and healthy. And I also have alot more roots than I would normally have in soil after 3 weeks (2 weeks if you subtract my week without power).

Despite the problems from the hurricane, I have to say I am VERY pleased with coco. It is fantastic stuff.

[daihashi]

Fed the plants today:

1 gallon of tap water
6 ml of CalMag
4ml of Canna Coco Nute A
4ml of Canna Coco Nute B
Ph'd to 5.8 - 5.9 (kept fluxuating between these two for 3 minutes.)

I believe I found my mother plant. This plant, despite all the crap that has happened, is a very good looking plant. It has secondary growth and it's root system looks fantastic. Everything about this plant oozes Awesomness... all I can hope for is that it's not going to be a hermie/male dom plant (these are feminized unstable genetics... so hermies are a very real possibility).

I will give the plants another week or so and then I will give them a week of LST before I cut clones from them all.

The other plants are still looking kind of rough, but that's just because of the damaged leaves. I fully expect all the plants to recover.

One more thing I learned about coco today... you can FEEL how much the plants are drinking!!! This is something that was fairly difficult to do with soil because it occured over a course of days; however with coco you can feel it over the course of 1 day!

The plant I expect to turn into a mother drank a considerable amount of water when compared to the rest of the plants; furthermore this plant was the furthest from the fans/exhaust so I know that the plant actually utilized the water and it was not just wicked away from air blowing over it. I am very pleased with this.

Different plants had different pot weights. This was something I had never noticed before because I had never let the coco get very dry before; however after flushing the plants and then feeding it became obvious that they utilized more water/nute solution than before .

While I will still use an EC/PPM meter to determine how much they're eating.. I would have to say you can probably get a good guesstimate just by lifting the pot when growing in coco.

Do the benefits never end with this medium? I am loving it more and more every day.

[daihashi]

It feels like these plants have been in veg alot longer (by veg I mean since they popped through the soil), but they've actually only been in veg about 18 days or so.

[Weedhound]

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

How about photo of the mom in contention?

[TheMetal1]

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

What kind did you use? I've been checking it out a lot lately... and there are a few that have been getting awful reviews. Low pH like a muuuuuufunka. On the other hand... some people are saying it's the best thing since goosefat :rasta:

And did you use coco specific nutrients?
- actually, can you use soil/hydro nutrients in coco? I'm assuming you can use hydro nutrients since it is soilless.

Edit: Dai... just saw your post below. I feel ya bro. I wasn't defending a side... just an idea. You know you, know what's up :rasta:. Don't stress... let Mary J do her thing.

BUUUUUUUUUNGGGGG...

[daihashi]

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

How about photo of the mom in contention?

Sure.. why not.. She has some blemishes but I don't think the camera will even pick it up..

sigh; just got out of a frustrating thread. Seeing your post, for some unknown reason, has lifted my spirits. Let me bust out the camera... BRB

[Weedhound]

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

[daihashi]

What kind did you use? I've been checking it out a lot lately... and there are a few that have been getting awful reviews. Low pH like a muuuuuufunka. On the other hand... some people are saying it's the best thing since goosefat :rasta:

And did you use coco specific nutrients?
- actually, can you use soil/hydro nutrients in coco? I'm assuming you can use hydro nutrients since it is soilless.

It depends on the process they use to make/sterilize the coco. Some coco you have to soak in ph'd water; but if you buy a quality coco like Canna or b'cuzz (I think bcuzz) they do not steam their coco to treat it.. the coco never touches the ground and it is free of pests.

Canna coco is certified by some horticulture agency (pretty big/important from what I last remember but I forgot their name and acronymn).

I have an entire video on coco from Canna explaining the good/bad of coco depending on how it was processed. I'll see if I can encode it and get it up on youtube. It really gives alot of insight even though a large portion of the video is just a commercial for Canna.

[Weedhound]

Ha....I'll go get a pic of my gal as well and we'll compare......:D

[daihashi]

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

Never done hydro so I can't say much for it, but as far as it being too much work for to be soil.. well I have to strongly disagree. Yes I have to water once a day, but for the lack of problems and incredible growth I've seen in compared to a soil/peat based grow I have to say coco beats it hands down.

I think a lot of the hit/miss people are having with coco is the brand they buy (different manufacturers process differently. You don't want a coco that was processed by steam.) and that they don't understand that coco wants to complete for calcium and I believe more on the slight side.. Nitrogen.

Using coco specific nutes helps with this in addition to supplementing a little extra than usual with calmag. Treat the medium as if it were hydro ( I feed between ph 5.6-5.8 now) and she will do you great. I think a number of people try to treat it like a soil grow and see mediocre/average results.

Had this hurricane not come through I think all my plants would be twice as big and without a single blemish on them. It's a shame ike came through.

However when I make my move into my house in a few weeks I will begin mothering some other strains. Can't wait to see how it performs with no power outages or extreme circumstances preventing my grow from being all it could be.

Pictures coming up. I need to resize the images.

[Weedhound]

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

[daihashi]

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

Different strokes for different folks. I actually used FFOF during flowering and I was not impressed at all. The soil was too hot for me to start out vegging in, and really I felt it was hyped up once I started using it in flower.

Even with perlite it retained a ton of moisture, came prenuted (which I guess is good if you don't mind not knowing how much of each nute you have total sitting in your medium) and was really friggin heavy. It didn't release moisture fast enough for me to water twice a week like I needed to. All in all I was not impressed; at the time though I thought FFOF was pretty good.

Now that I've touched quality coco FFOF looks like crap to me.

Another benefit to growing in coco is... well. it's very hard to outgrow your pot, create ph lockout issues or make conditions where your plant will die.

Had I been growing in soil I am confident I would probably have a number of issues.. Soil pests, stagnant water retained in the soil, root issues (due to not being able to care for the plants).

The coco created the ideal environment for my plants while I was unable to care for them. I don't think I would've had the same luck in soil. After I get this plant turned into a good mother I'll do a side by side Canna coco VS Fox Farms Ocean forest grow. Everything will be identical with the exception of the medium.

And finally.. here are the pics; the plant didn't look as great in the pictures but she looks beautiful in the light. Especially considering what a horrible week she's been through:

You can see her first set of true leaves... They look thin and worn; this is probably due to lack of air circulation, light and other things. There is some very slight calcium def. spotting but the camera didn't pick it up well (you have to be very close to the plant in person to even notice it well).

Considering she didn't have air, light, fresh water or any proper care for a week I'd have to say she's looking kind of sexy.

I'll post new pics of her in about 4-5 days to show how much she's recovered/grown.

2 days ago her leaves were yellowish, she's gotten greener since I fed her/put her back under HID.

[daihashi]

Edit: Dai... just saw your post below. I feel ya bro. I wasn't defending a side... just an idea. You know you, know what's up :rasta:. Don't stress... let Mary J do her thing.

BUUUUUUUUUNGGGGG...

I know dude.. I don't harp on people for having a point of view, that's everyone's right. I was pissy because I was trying to initiate a genuine discussion with that guy and he was just being a douche purposefully back to me.

He got a rise out of me.. which I should not have given into. Don't worry, I have no qualms with you or really pretty much anyone on Canna.com despite what people may think about me.

[Weedhound]

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say. :)

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

[daihashi]

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say. :)

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

Thanks, I have plenty of the curlies as well.. lol I was going to chop them but I figured I might as well finish them while I'm mothering this one plant. It will give me some bud I wouldn't ordinarily have.

I have 2 other potential mothers. They are just babies in comparison to this one. But they came out great and are not doing that swirly crap either like most of the other ones.

We'll see. :hippy:

[Weedhound]

Do let them finish if they are growing. One in my thread named Curly.....go figure.....really picked back up in bloom and while her yield won't be huge.....it WILL be a qualtiy stone. ;)

[8182KSKUSH]

Hang in there with those plants D!
Just got done reading that other thread, holy sweet jesus, I am glad I wasn't around for that one, I would have probably gotten banned, again.:D

[daihashi]

Hang in there with those plants D!
Just got done reading that other thread, holy sweet jesus, I am glad I wasn't around for that one, I would have probably gotten banned, again.:D

Then I have to say I'm glad you missed it. Wouldn't want you getting banned. I'm just sorry I fell for the bait that guy left out for me.. I'm usually better than that. Ugh.

I think the plants are going to make it and I have a pretty solid looking mother. If nothing else my harvest has just been delayed; not a big deal in the grand scheme of things :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

lookin great D! I am germing 6-8 SNLxNH again on fri, going to seect a mum outta them. 60-80% of the ones I have popped so far do the color/curling thing too...bastards. But WH has me convinced to fight the bastards for a couple of good ones...buzz is supposed to be amazing....
Gad the plants made it through...was worried about ya man... had 2 hurricanes wipe me out over the years, lost my house to one in 96...
whiskeytango

chopped one of the HK girls down...check the trichs on her next time your around my threads:jointsmile:

[daihashi]

lookin great D! I am germing 6-8 SNLxNH again on fri, going to seect a mum outta them. 60-80% of the ones I have popped so far do the color/curling thing too...bastards. But WH has me convinced to fight the bastards for a couple of good ones...buzz is supposed to be amazing....
Gad the plants made it through...was worried about ya man... had 2 hurricanes wipe me out over the years, lost my house to one in 96...
whiskeytango

chopped one of the HK girls down...check the trichs on her next time your around my threads:jointsmile:

Which one is she in?

I think I'm going to mother a few more strains to keep on hand, but I can't decide.

I'm thinking:

Master Kush (though the seeds are kind of pale looking. Not sure if they'll root but they were a gift. So we'll cross our fingers and see. Either way I'm excited),

Church

White Widow

Although I may swap out the Master Kush if it doesn't root for Purple Power Plant.

My next log will be a mothering Log; should be interesting for those people who are wanting to learn how to grow/keep a mother. I want to keep them in no bigger than 1 or 2 gallon pots. Preferably 1. Once I get them to their established size I'll move them under a 150 or 250watt HID. I don't think I can keep more than 3-4 mothers at a time.

My flower room will initially be 4'x4' with a 600 watt HPS. This should give me room for about 12-16 plants. I may build out a second 4x4 area at a later date; but that will come when I save up some more cash.

I don't think I'll ever expand past my 3'x3' room w 400 watt MH for veg. I just don't see the need;

But ahhhh this is a story for another log. Which will be coming soon :thumbsup:

EDIT: WT, which thread is the triched out plant at? bleh screw it I'll read them all. I'm behind on my grow logs anyway :jointsmile:

[daihashi]

New growth on the plants looks great. They are looking green and vibrant. The prospect mother is looking just gorgeous. Her secondary growth is really shooting off as well as her top growth. She's just so healthy and vigorous.

The 3 seedlings had a mini growth explosion. They are coming along beautiful and are also potential contenders for mothering.

Fed them about 15 minutes ago:

5ml Canna Coco Nute A
5ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml CalMag
1 gallon Tap water
PH'd to 5.6-5.7

Run off ph read at 5.7-5.8

Plants are looking beautiful considering the hell they went through. Hopefully all will be well.

I am going to switch the plants back to 18/6 for some stealth. I have some repairs I need my landlord to do (yes I know this landlord very well and his habits. I practice safety as safely as I can. There is no threat here.. trust me. He never shows on property unless someone calls and they are at their residence. He's pretty respectful of peoples privacy.).

Pictures will be posted by the end of the week. I'm hoping for some great growth to show you guys. I think at the end of this week I'll go ahead and LST 1 time on all my plants. Just bend it down once and let it grow like that. I don't want to really get into it like last time.

Next grow when I can get a bunch of clones will be an attempt at SOG.. but for now I want to try to get the most bud out of this that I can.

I am so happy with coco. :hippy:

[daihashi]

Fed half the plants last night and the other half this morning:

5ml Canna Coco Nute A
5ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml CalMag
1 gallon Tap water
PH'd to 5.6-5.7

Run off ph read at 5.7-5.8


So plants are again looking great. I now have 2 larger plants that are potential mothers as well with the first mother in contention still being my #1 pick. In addition 2 of the seedlings seemed to have a growth explosion. Looking great.

On a down side I dropped 1 plant twice.. in less than 5 minutes from at least 5ft off the ground. Sigh.. on a positive note it was a plant that's been lagging and doesn't look so pretty anyway. I picked it up.. re packed the medium and put it in the cabinet. I suspect the root system is a little stressed now. Hopefully it will get over it or keep on going without missing a beat. We'll see.

Pictures coming this Friday or Saturday. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Fed again today

5ml Canna Coco Nute A
5ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml CalMag
1 gallon Tap water
PH'd to 5.6-5.7

Run off ph read at 5.7-5.8

It's worth mentioning that whenever I feed the plants that I am only feeding them 6-8oz of water each. This gives me about 15-20% run off and the plants utilize majority of the water. Allowing for plenty of air to get into the medium and promote a healthy root system. So I am not always mixing fresh nutrient solution. 1 gallon will last me about 2 - 2.5 feedings. For the moment. I suspect by the end of next week I will put all their plants in their final containers for the next 8-12 weeks. I will be going with 2 gallon pots. I feel this should be more than adequate to complete my grow and allow me to keep my waterings down to once a day... MAX.

I will be building a home made drip ring system for my plants sometime after the transplant. It would be a pain to hand water all the time.

We'll see, be expecting pics friday.

On another note, I got the final word and I'll be closing on a home I am purchasing tomorrow @ 2pm.

YAY ME!


edit: It's hard to believe that this is day 21 of veg. The plants are looking great considering they almost an entire week without power or any type of care. I wish I could see what they would look like had I been there to care for them and if I had power to give them proper lighting.

I have a coupe of plants now that look like they would be very nice moms. It's going to be hard to choose.

I will begin LST once I transplant into the 2 gallon containers.

:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

You ARE closing on a home with roof and all considering Ike right? :D

In your OWN HOME you can do everything but grow them from the ceiling in every single room if you want so you'll be able to see them do ALL SORTS of different things. :D :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Hey I'm about to start a few Master Kush myself.....that's going to be one of my standard hydro growers. Try it....you'll like it. I've used some light looking seeds before and I've never seen it affect germination (unless they were immature seeds to begin with and that's why they were white)

[daihashi]

You ARE closing on a home with roof and all considering Ike right? :D

In your OWN HOME you can do everything but grow them from the ceiling in every single room if you want so you'll be able to see them do ALL SORTS of different things. :D :thumbsup:

I had the inspector go out and reinspect the house since my lenders required a reinspection after the hurricane. Contrary to what you see on the news, mainland houston wasn't hit THAT bad. Galveston and the water front cities that are on the outskirts of Houston did suffer, but that was to be expected.

Yeah, I'm very excited. I've already dedicated one of the 14x14 rooms to be my grow and work area for the plants. :)

[daihashi]

Hey I'm about to start a few Master Kush myself.....that's going to be one of my standard hydro growers. Try it....you'll like it. I've used some light looking seeds before and I've never seen it affect germination (unless they were immature seeds to begin with and that's why they were white)

Good to know. As soon as I get settled in I'll be starting another log for all my mother plants.

I'm so excited to have a legitimate grow area now as opposed to being confined to a 3x3 cabinet (which I'll still use to veg/mother plants). I'm thinking of building 1 4x4 or 5x5 flower room.. and then building a second 5x5 flower room at a later date.

[Puffzter]

2 flower rooms and a mother/clone area.
*drewl*
I would pick up breeding then. It would be so nice to have areas like that to play around with.
Lucky you. :D

Puffzter

[daihashi]

Few things.

I am officially a home owner. I closed on a house yesterday and as of Thursday 4pm I became the proud owner of a 2504 sqft home, 2 car garage, massive back and decent sized front yard, 4 bedrooms, 2.5 bath, large kitchen and living areas with a formal dining that luckily already had french doors on it (which will become my personal study).

I got electric, gas and water connected already.

Onto a grow note:

Fed the plants when I got home last night at around 11-11:30pm. Fed with the following:

8ml Canna Coco Nute A
8ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml Calmag
1 gallon of water
PH 5.7

Plants were a little more thirsty than usual and were visibly bigger. I should try checking on them only once a day more often. Seeing the growth is very encouraging this way as opposed to checking on the plants 2-3 times a day.

I just like to look at them. It's a flaw of mine. A bad habit I've been trying to break.

Today I'm going to try to hit up the hydro shop to see if they have any cannazym or rhizotonic in stock. I would really like to promote some decent initial root growth and health when I trans plant them to the 2 gallon containers.

We'll see.

Pictures will be posted up this evening. Probably around 9pm-10pm or so.

I still have a few more house errands to run but for the most part I'm set to go. I'll be throwing a bbq there this weekend for my friend who recently lost his Schnauzer, Oscar, to old age.

Oscar was 15 years old and a hell of a dog. He will be missed.

[daihashi]

Also I will be refraining from most other forums other than my growlog and the grow forum in general.

I've not felt myself lately and feel that I need to spend more time taking care of my health than I do on the forums. I was extremely concerned yesterday and someone spoke to me and really made me feel much better. I thank them tremendously for that and I give a thanks out to them. You know who you are :thumbsup:

As I feel slightly more refreshed today and in a little bit (key being little) of a better mood I think I will continue what I've changed to try to bring balance back to my health.

Also I've been dry for sometime and I do have some bad social anxieties; which I've realized how bad it actually is when I'm not intoxicated. It's probably for the best as I smoked too much to begin with. I need to start smoking from more of a medical approach and even when it's recreational I need to cut back.

You'll still see me on the forums; but mainly the grow. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Few things:

CONGRATULATIONS on your new home! :thumbsup: Big BIG step if it is your first and it sounds like a damn nice one to boot.

If you are looking for better STRONGER roots get rhizotonic.....cannazym won't help your roots grow. Cannazym does something to the dead roots so that they don't rot and start off root rot in your plants. It won't help your roots grow, but Rhizo will. ;)

third: I've learned your same lesson the hard way. There are several things I completely stay away from on cdot because if I put my nose in them I'll just plain flip and thats it. Quite a while back people used to talk up and down about how they would get their animals high......let them eat weed etc.......as a vet tech this kind of bullshit being posted would absolutely make me CRAZY!!! Very luckily the site owner and P4B made a rule to forbid that kind of terrible talk and I thank them for that to this day. But my point is the same as you said........I couldn't take the heat and had to learn to stay out of the kitchen. Sometimes that's not very easy.

[daihashi]

Few things:

CONGRATULATIONS on your new home! :thumbsup: Big BIG step if it is your first and it sounds like a damn nice one to boot.

If you are looking for better STRONGER roots get rhizotonic.....cannazym won't help your roots grow. Cannazym does something to the dead roots so that they don't rot and start off root rot in your plants. It won't help your roots grow, but Rhizo will. ;)

third: I've learned your same lesson the hard way. There are several things I completely stay away from on cdot because if I put my nose in them I'll just plain flip and thats it. Quite a while back people used to talk up and down about how they would get their animals high......let them eat weed etc.......as a vet tech this kind of bullshit being posted would absolutely make me CRAZY!!! Very luckily the site owner and P4B made a rule to forbid that kind of terrible talk and I thank them for that to this day. But my point is the same as you said........I couldn't take the heat and had to learn to stay out of the kitchen. Sometimes that's not very easy.

It's my social anxiety that really screws up my usual well thought out posts and makes them seem as if they're coming from a condescending point of view. I can acknowledge it may seem that way and that's my primary reason for refraining from other forums.

I have the unfortunate ability to absorb information as if I were still a 2 year old (their minds are like sponges after all) and I spout this off in hopes of *informing* others. Sometimes I've noticed when I'm feeling particularly anxious I may say a comment that may come across snide even if it's not meant to.

It's frustrating to me that people will not take information and actually interpret it with their own brains as opposed to just regurgitating what's spoon fed to them, but that's for another forum at another time when I'm feeling myself.

In addition to the social anxiety I've had some physical ailments such as loss of balance (when I normally had far above average balance due to my Boxing background) headaches, moodiness and a few other minor ones. Today admittingly I'm feeling about 30% better than I have over the last 2 weeks and I'm hoping I was under stress even if I don't realize it (I tend to push myself because I don't like putting things off onto other people. I like to take responsibility for as much as I can). Combined with Ike, poor eating, and poor sleep.. i think this may be my problem.

The house is very nice. I have some pics I can post up but I may wait until tomorrow. my friend took pictures but they don't give a good depiction of the actual size of the house. I am very happy for it being my first home.

In regards to your vet tech history. I actually rescued both of my pets. My dog, Molly, was at a kill shelter and was on her last week there. I couldn't bare to see her put down so I adopted her. My cat, Annie, was abandoned by it's mother when it was 2 weeks old. I suspect someone touched it when they should've left it alone and the mother rejected it. I found her under a friends trailer and bottle fed her.

I've also saved a pigeon from being hit by a freight mail truck.

My dog was also paralyzed for some time due to a disc that ruptured into her spinal cord. I couldn't bring myself to put her to sleep per the Vet's opinion. So I got her a doggie wheel chair (which she hated.. she prefered to crawl around instead). Over the course of a year she started twitching her tail; which at the time I thought I was just seeing things. Over the next 2 months it turned into a full wag. Then over the next month she started standing on her own, but fell down right away. Then she would be able to walk a short distance, but her back was shaped like an upside down U. VERY ARCHED and unhealthy looking. Over the course of the year following that her back slowly got flatter and flatter and now she's 100% better. You would never have guessed she was paralyzed.

While she was paralyzed I had to express her bladder and help her defecate; which was not a pleasing task at all.

The way I saw it was.. I wouldn't put my mother to sleep and I sure as hell wouldn't do that to Molly. She is my best friend and I love her with all my heart.

Pictures of the plants coming tonight! Stay tuned.!!! :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

As promised.. Pics

Pic 1: Mother Plant Sept. 20th
Pic 2: Mother Plant Sept. 26th
Pic 3: Mother Plant Sept 20th
Pic 4: Mother Plant Sept 26th
Pic 5: Random shot of the mother. Tried to get the secondary growth in the image.

[daihashi]

Pic 1: Overall shot of all the plants. Some plants are elevated to try to create an even canopy without topping. I'm hoping these smaller plants will catch up somehow.

[daihashi]

I just wonder how big these plants would be if they didn't miss out on a week of light. They look so good now. I may go ahead and veg these out to 6 weeks. I still don't have alternating nodes despite starting the 6th/7th set of leaves/node.

Either way I'm pleased with the health and appearance of my plants. This one will become a beautiful mother.

:thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

Hey, Daihashi, I never checked your log before because I don't grow, but I saw your recent post over in Politics and had to come check the log out. Very nice by the way, especially considering the natural disasters and everything else! I just wanted to say that after reading the last two weeks, I've got a better understanding of a few things.

Take care of yourself. Good luck with the grow! AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE HOUSE!!!

[Dutch Pimp]

Looking good...daihashi...:thumbsup:

[edub325]

hey can i watch

[8182KSKUSH]

I just wonder how big these plants would be if they didn't miss out on a week of light. They look so good now. I may go ahead and veg these out to 6 weeks. I still don't have alternating nodes despite starting the 6th/7th set of leaves/node.

Either way I'm pleased with the health and appearance of my plants. This one will become a beautiful mother.

:thumbsup:


Hey I have several plants right now that are 8,9 or more nodes and still don't have any preflowers or alternating nodes, don't know if it's good or bad? I guess I don't care though, I am sure they are still young, about the same as yours minus the hurricane shit.:D
Your plants look great, they are really compact, I wish mine were more like that.
Did you trim or take any low growth off any plants? Just wondering, your plants look pretty, nice broad fat green leaves!:D :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

hey can i watch

Yeah!! The more the merrier. I like to chat in my logs so feel free to chime in and participate whenever you get the chance. I hope you find my log useful. :hippy:

[SnSstealth]

They bounced back very well D...congrats man!
whiskeytango

PS...I found a 2000K HPS bulb...think thats too cool? or do I wanna stay more around 21-2500k?

[daihashi]

Hey I have several plants right now that are 8,9 or more nodes and still don't have any preflowers or alternating nodes, don't know if it's good or bad? I guess I don't care though, I am sure they are still young, about the same as yours minus the hurricane shit.:D
Your plants look great, they are really compact, I wish mine were more like that.
Did you trim or take any low growth off any plants? Just wondering, your plants look pretty, nice broad fat green leaves!:D :thumbsup:

That's odd, most plants usually show alternating nodes after 4 nodes, but to be fair my plants are only 3 weeks old and sometimes it takes up to 6 weeks to show sex.

I haven't trimmed the plants at all. I've left them all intact with damaged leaves and all. The mother plant shown in the close up pics suffered virtually no damage; just the first set of leaves got kind of soft (tissue soft like) and lost some of it's color. However those leaves are still there and still absorbing light. I saw no need to remove it.

I am very pleased with my plant growth.

They are starting their 6th/7th nodes on the biggest plants.

I honestly believe I owe the health of my plants due to the Canna Coco and nutrient line that I am using. They do not steam their coco to process it; when you steam coco like many coco suppliers do you end up with Nitrogen Nitrate; which is toxic to plants. They use another process that is RHP certified that eliminates this and puts something beneficial into (I have it in some documentation that canna only hands out to it's distributors; I left it at my apartment and I'm at my new house now).

Day 24 Veg

8ml Canna Coco nute A
8ml Canna Coco nute B
6ml CalMag
ph 5.9
6 oz of water

I didn't feed to run off as I was trying to use the rest of what I had left in my last gallon I made.

Tonight or tomorrow morning I will flush the plants and give them a light feeding.

Probably Sunday I will transplant most of the plants into 2 gallon containers.

[daihashi]

They bounced back very well D...congrats man!
whiskeytango

PS...I found a 2000K HPS bulb...think thats too cool? or do I wanna stay more around 21-2500k?

I think 2k will be fine; it's not that far off from 2100k. I loved that bulb I used but if I had to do it again I think I would mix in like 3-4 23 watt 6500K CFL's. It would create some denser buds with the mix.

That's just me though; I loved that bulb and want to try to find another ultra red with some decent blue spectrum mixed in as well.

In case anyone was wondering I had recommended a bulb to WT, a 2100K HPS bulb I used in flowering on my last grow... the model number was LH400 and I believe is made by GE, but a number of manufacturers relabel it as their own; including the bulb I used which was made by philips.

Let me know how it works out for you. It should be very nice supplementary light to your LED's.

[daihashi]

Quick update. Last 2 days I've fed with the following:

12ml Canna Coco Nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml Calmag
PH'd 5.7-5.8
8-10oz of water each plant


One of my plants, the one that i dropped two times in less than a 5 minute interval, does not look heathy. As a matter of fact I doubt it will recover. I am contemplating tossing it out since it is obviously so stressed out.

Let this be a lesson to you all. Drop your plants from 5 feet in the air and you're sure to shock the root system and plant. I am sure the root system took the brunt of the shock since I dropped it on the pot and not on the plant itself. The medium had been severely disturbed and I tried to pack it all back together.

Plants don't like to be dropped.. lol :hippy:

[daihashi]

So I moved the cabinet, plants and lights over to the new house. I had to pull apart the cabinet in order to transport it. Which means that the plants will not receive light during their normal 18 hours (well 14-15 hours. They were in their light period when I tore down the grow area.)

I finally got to bed around 4-5am, woke up at 7am to drag my ass to work. I'll put the cabinet together ass soon as I get home and try to put them back on their normal photoperiod. 1 day without light won't force them to sex, which is my primary concern since I'm trying to save a mother plant.

On the upside however I think I'll be able to start flowering very soon. I need to build out an area. I'm going to get a 600 watt hps on order as well as some panda film. I figured instead of building a cabinet I'll just build a frame and Panda it up!!!

I will probably need an additional fan as well as build a carbon/kitty litter scrubber for the room. My veg area will be in my closet with a panda film curtain to stop light from leaking through to the flower area. I will also install green lights so I can go into the grow area during it's lights off period.

I will post pictures of the room before and after I build it out. I'm hoping to spend NO MORE than $1k on equipment, I think I'l be able to come out under $600.

More updates to come, and the plants will restart their regular schedule tonight.

[8182KSKUSH]

So I moved the cabinet, plants and lights over to the new house. I had to pull apart the cabinet in order to transport it. Which means that the plants will not receive light during their normal 18 hours (well 14-15 hours. They were in their light period when I tore down the grow area.)

I finally got to bed around 4-5am, woke up at 7am to drag my ass to work. I'll put the cabinet together ass soon as I get home and try to put them back on their normal photoperiod. 1 day without light won't force them to sex, which is my primary concern since I'm trying to save a mother plant.

On the upside however I think I'll be able to start flowering very soon. I need to build out an area. I'm going to get a 600 watt hps on order as well as some panda film. I figured instead of building a cabinet I'll just build a frame and Panda it up!!!



I will probably need an additional fan as well as build a carbon/kitty litter scrubber for the room. My veg area will be in my closet with a panda film curtain to stop light from leaking through to the flower area. I will also install green lights so I can go into the grow area during it's lights off period.

I will post pictures of the room before and after I build it out. I'm hoping to spend NO MORE than $1k on equipment, I think I'l be able to come out under $600.

More updates to come, and the plants will restart their regular schedule tonight.


GOD BLESS PANDA PLASTIC!:D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

well.. testing the temps in the new room/cabinet right now. Unfortunately the temps tend to rise after 4pm here. So I'll have to run my lights to turn off before then. 3pm would probably be the latest I'll want to run them. Right now I am going to leave the lights on and see around what time the cabinet will stabilize around 78 degrees. I will have my lights turn on at that point and run for 18 hours accordingly. Luckily in flower where keeping temps down is more important will be much easier. I could run the lights from midnight to noon and probably easily maintain 78 degrees.

We will see.

I will probably pick up some panda film tomorrow.

[daihashi]

ugh.. having major cooling issues in this new space.

Things I need to do that I didn't have to do before.

1. Vent the cabinet either into the attic or out the window.
2. Probably cap off the other end of the cool tube to draw in cool air from the room itself.
3. Install a second inline fan to ventilate the room itself, exhaust it out the attic or out the window.
4. Look into tearing out my walls and installing some batting insulation (as close as I can get to r38 rating. Not sure what's available). And then line the studs with Radiant Barrier foil.
5. Install Radiant barrier into the attic.
6. Possibly install a portable A/C unit in the room.

Last night the best I could get the temps was 83.5 degrees. That was with the house sitting at 73 degrees.

I woke up this morning and the house was at 72 degrees and the room was at 90 degrees. What this means is that the house got very cool last night and didn't need to run at all while I was sleeping. Without fresh cold air coming into the room the temperatures just kept getting hotter and hotter (this is where venting might have helped keep it slightly cool but I question how much cooler.)

Further more I really don't want to keep my house at 72-73 degrees. I would prefer to keep the thermostat at 78-79 degrees.

If anyone has any ideas please let me know. So far I'm going to move forward with steps 1, 2 and 3. Then I'll move forward with steps 4 and 5. Radiant barrier is relatively cheap as is batting insulation.

A portable A/C unit will run me about $350-450 and I run the chance that it will be on ALL DAY LONG. These things pull on average about 880 watts - 1250 watts for a 10,000-12000 BTU model. I don't want to be pulling that kind of power 24 hours a day to try to get the cooling I am wanting. I would be fine if it ran for 30 minutes every hour. That would be 720 Kwh a month if it ran for 24 hours and 360 for 12 hour a day. I think I could tolerate 360 Kwh increase on my electric bill.

The room during the day with no lights on and the house at 78 will actually sit around 77-76 degrees while the A/c is on in the house and while it's off it might creep up to 78 degrees.

The light kills all cooling in the room.

Very frustrating.

If anyone else has any other ideas please toss them this way. I'm open to anything thoughts.

[daihashi]

ugh.. having major cooling issues in this new space.


Also I decided I'm going to go ahead and buy a grow tent. My outside measured space is 32"x31" (WxL). I estimate the inside measured length to be 28.5" x 27.5".. So just a little over 2 ft. A bit small for a 400 watt light.

I am also going to use a squirell cage fan for the exhaust instead of wasting my other 6" inline fan that I have on hand.

Or since I don't intend on putting a carbon filter on this fan, maybe just a duct fan. This won't be the flower room and all I want to do is exhaust hot air from the room itself.

I will make my way into the attic today and see about cutting 2 holes to in the ceiling to exhaust all this crap.

Hopefully with the grow space, not using wood, and exhausting outside of the room that the cabinet sits in.. hopefully that will help me drop to a MAXIMUM temperature of 82 degrees and a generally sustained temp of 78 degrees.

We will see. I didn't realize how well my last area cooled my grow cabinet. Oh well. At least I'm trying to fix it instead of dealing with it like a lot of people do.

[daihashi]

welp.. I just bought a 4x4x7 Hydrohut (new version.. not the crappy outgassing version).

bought some flanges and a few other little things to get all the ducting to work. I also bought this stuff for windows. It's a clear tint type thing; what it does it filter out alot of radiant heat from windows. Supposedly raises the R rating by *UP TO* 90% (key word being up to, but even if it just raises it by 20-30% then I think it was worth the 5 bucks I paid for it.).

You apply it with a hair dryer of all things. I bought two kits and will be applying it to the windows today as well as running my ducting into the attic area.

I will duct the other end (intake side) of the cool tube just to the top of the hut so that way it draws in cool air from the room and not the hot air from the attic.

I couldn't get a duct fan so in the mean time I will use my other 6" inline fan to exhaust the room. This will also be exhausted into the attic.

I am hoping with all these changes that I can get the temps down to around 78 at night and at a maximum peak of around 82 degrees.

We will see. I'll post pics once I get everything setup.

[daihashi]

got the hydro hut setup. Actual dimensions are 4' 5" x 4' 5" x 7'. This thing is very big.

I hooked up the lighting and cut a hole in the ceiling going into the attic. I setup the opposite end of the cool tube to pull in cool air from the outside. Temps were automatically 4-5 degrees cooler. Running between 79.7 degrees and 80.5 degrees at a time when the room is it's warmest (around 4-6pm).

I've added a second 6" inline fan to see if I can reduce the temps even further. If i can get it to stay at around 76 degrees then I think that this will be a winning solution. I will take pics of the entire thing when I have the entire setup dialed in.

I am very pleased with the quality of the hydrohut so far. Makes me wish I had bought one from the get go and I highly recommend one to anyone looking to build a decent grow area quickly and cheaply. It is only marginally more expensive than if you were to buy a cabinet or build one. I spent $149.99 locally for a 4.5'x4.5'x7' Tent. It came with a bunch of 6" vent flaps, a few 4" ones, a few holes for me to run cords through it as well as a bunch of intake ventilation flaps (long rectanges.)

I will probably but another one for my flower room.. or buy a smaller one (3x3 or 2.5x2.5 with a 250watt light inside) for my mother plants.

On the agenda tonight will be transplanting all my plants into 2 gallon or 3 gallon pots (I don't have enough 2 gallon pots to go around. I will probably put my mother in a 3 gallon pot).

Pics coming either later tonight or tomorrow.

:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Wow that sounds nice, I have one but yours sounds nicer. Mine is not even close to light tight. Didn't find out until after the fact, not very happy about me not checking before I used it for flowering! I am sure you will, but you should check, unless you aren't going to have any lights in the room outside of the tent. Mine is for veg only, in a different room. They are nice.

[daihashi]

Update:

Transplanted 5 of the big plants into their final destination, 2 gallon pots. The 3 smaller ones I've left in their current pots until they get at least 6 inches taller.

With the house at 75 degrees, the hydrohut is running at 76.8 degrees. Not bad. I can deal with running between 76-81 degrees. I will time the lights to run mostly when the room being used is not in direct light.

I need to clean up the room but I will take pictures tomorrow of the entire setup. I need to buy more flexible ducting so I can push the hydrohut into a corner of the room so I can fit another one in there in the future.

I am very pleased to have solved this problem. Apparently my last apartment was so efficient at cooling I had never realized that the space I was using was actually too small for a 400 watt light.

I hope I'll be able to cool a 600 watt efficiently. I'll be ordering a 600 watt light and cool tube very soon so I can start flowering.

Before transplanting I fed the plants as follows:

12ml Canna Coco Nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml Calmag
PH'd water 5.8
10 oz of water each plant

[daihashi]

so I checked the temps this morning.. about an hour ago actually. The A/C hasn't come on in some time now since the house is sitting at 73 degrees and the A/C is set to 75.

The temps inside the hydrohut as of 10am are 78.4 degrees. Typically if the A/C is coming on as it should then the temps are about 2 degrees above ambient. I will continue to monitor this temperature situation but I think the bigger grow area combined with installing a second inline fan and venting into the attic has helped greatly.

There was an accident it seems last night though. Apparently the flexible ducting fell at some point from the inline fan. I made the inside a bit tighter by folding ductape into the duct. It was a snug fit after that. In addition the hydro hut has these two bars at the ceiling for a charcoal filter I guess. I put those closer together in order to snuggly hug the duct so it can't fall again. I had to sweep up a crap load of coco and clean the plants as best as I could (I really need a dust buster.)

So far things are looking great in the new grow environment.

:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

dealing with the heat situation was a big one with us as well. When I bought that 1kw light my hydro guy warned me about the heat but I blew it off......only to discover the hard way that you HAVE to deal with it one way or another. I remember at one point we had the central air running AND a window ac all going on at the same time just to keep the room at a decent temp. Going to a cool tube and white paint vs mylar solved the issue for us. :)

Love to see a photo of the setup when you can.

[stinkyattic]

Try a hose-clamp to get a better attachment between ducting and fixtures. Assembled correctly and secured at both ends, you can get it snug enough even to serve as backup in case one of the hangers fails.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

well hashi, i'm going to guess you either don't have a camera or you rather explain in words the whole grow and leave visuals to the imagination lol. i can manage but it'd be nice to see these ladies and the setup. are pics a possibility?


morning

[daihashi]

dealing with the heat situation was a big one with us as well. When I bought that 1kw light my hydro guy warned me about the heat but I blew it off......only to discover the hard way that you HAVE to deal with it one way or another. I remember at one point we had the central air running AND a window ac all going on at the same time just to keep the room at a decent temp. Going to a cool tube and white paint vs mylar solved the issue for us. :)

Love to see a photo of the setup when you can.

I actually took photos but I can't find my media card reader to pull the images off my camera.. heh

I'll post pictures up when I can.

1 of my plants are clawed from not transplanting soon enough and you'll notice some small clawing going on with 1-2 of the other plants. beyond that they all look gorgeous (some spottingon the leaves where I might have spilled some nutrient solution on it and the light burned it).

I may have to begin flowering with my 400 watt light. I don't have the budget at the moment for a 600 watt light.

Also I've been giving some further thought to the situation and I don't think I'll have a dedicated veg area. I think I'll setup a CFL array (I still have a shit ton of CFL's left from my last grow) for my mothers and to veg new mothers. From there after they've rooted some I'll probably just dump them in 1 gallon pots and put them in the flower room.

I'm going to be going for SOG style as best as I can with multiple strains. The room is 4.5' x 4.5x.. I figure I can fit between 20 - 24 rooted clones in 1 gallon pots at a time (24 being the absolute max and 20 being a more realistic max.) however to do this I will absolutely need a 600 watt light.. or maybe even a 1000 watt light.

Where I live heat is an issue (gets hot here in the summer.). I will probably get 1 600 watt hps and setup a second 600 watt hps if I determine I need it.

[daihashi]

well hashi, i'm going to guess you either don't have a camera or you rather explain in words the whole grow and leave visuals to the imagination lol. i can manage but it'd be nice to see these ladies and the setup. are pics a possibility?


morning

Well I'm sure if you looked through the log you would see I do have some pictures up, and you would see I've been in the process of moving; so taking pictures, or finding my equipment to pull images off my camera are not super high on my agenda at the moment.

Thanks for stopping by.

oh yeah.. let's not forget I went through that massive hurricane. Maybe you heard about it.. Hurricane ike :wtf:

[daihashi]

transplanted my to be mother plant into a 1 gallon pot and another plant into a 2 gallon pot.

I am going to initiate flowering tomorrow and will probably suck it up and purchase a 600 watt HPS. I'm hoping to get about 2-3 oz per plant. Tomorrow I also have to pick up a few large appliances and some things from my old apartment including a crap load of CFL's which I will use to set up my CFL array for my mothering plants. I'm thinking about 200-250 watts worth MAX.. that will be for 4 mothering plants in 1 gallon pots; which should provide plenty of light and allow me to keep it relatively cool easily..

I hope by the time this harvest is complete I will have 24 clones ready to put into fowering again (6 cuttings from each strain.. I plan on running 4 strains). I say 24 because I plan on picking the strongest clones and keeping only about 16 plants.

I hope to find my media card reader so I can show everyone some pics.

[daihashi]

bought a hydrofarm xtrasun 600 watt HPS ballast and 600 watt Eye Hortilux bulb.

In addition to this I purchased some dutchmaster reverse and penetrator.

More updates to come and hopefully some pics. :thumbsup:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

my fault big guy. yea I've just been skimming through since i was stressed for time previously. been subscribed for a while patiently waiting to see how you make out with all the cane's shit and the progress you've made. hope all is well


morning

[daihashi]

Pictures will be coming tonight at 9pm when the lights come back on. Lights are on from 9pm to 9am. In the mean time though I can go snap a picture of the mother I picked out.

I think I'll do that now. It's been about a month since I've been able to give anyone any pics.

I'm probably going to fim her soon.

Stay tuned in the next hour for pics of the mother plant.

[daihashi]

Batteries are dead. I'll have some more by tonight when lights come on for the flowering plants.:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Pictures as promised:

Pic 1: New 4.5'x4.5' Hydro Hut
Pic 2: Inside 4.5'x4.5' Hydro hut, 600 watt HPS, 7 plants.
Pic 3: Closer shot of the Plants. Day 3 Flowering (already seeing pistils. YAY)
Pic 4: Mother Plant inside her Cabinet. Under 3 23 watt CFL's. About 4000-5000 lumen.
Pic 5: Closer Shot of the Mother

[daihashi]

Pic 6: Top view of the mother.

Note: all flowering plants are in similar condition to the mother. Some have some clawing on a leaf set due to waiting too long to transplant from 4 inch square pots to 2 gallon pots (I put it off for so long because I was moving soon. Easier to transport the plants in the smaller pots).

I'm in Day 3 of flowering.

[daihashi]

Fed all the plants today as follows:

12ml Canna Coco nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml CalMag
PH'd @ 5.8

The above dosage is per gallon of water.

I fed each plant approx 6-9 cups of solution.

Plants are looking great. Having some problems with the temps but nothing that won't be fixed in the coming weeks with overnight lows starting to get in the low 60's/high 50's.

Since i run my lights at night I'll be able to make use of the cold weather at night; effectively keeping my electrical use down and being able to keep the light closer to the canopy.

Currently it's at 1ft away however I am contemplating moving it up 15-18" away instead to assist with the temps staying below 82 (seems to be my high temp in the room.)

I will be starting another log shortly for mothers. I plan on taking 6-8 clones off the mother plant after I fim it and it recovers. I'm not exactly sure I completely understand the fimming thing but I hope to get the hang of it. :thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

Nice grow D -subscribed...I'l be watching fer sure...

I'm planning on germmin some SNLxNH and MK beans too...I too am lookin for some moms, but gotta wait till I make some mods to the space...$$$...

keep up the good work...I started some bag beans up in coco for my last grow and had great results too, imo it's great for developing good root structure early in the youngens lives...

later D:S5:

[Weedhound]

Got some MK's just started in my setup. The more I work with that strain the more I like it........but it lacks my "haze" kick. Love everything else about it though.

Your mom looks great Dai! :thumbsup: I've been having some good results recently with some of my SNL x NH's so check out the girls in my log when you have a chance.

[daihashi]

Got some MK's just started in my setup. The more I work with that strain the more I like it........but it lacks my "haze" kick. Love everything else about it though.

Your mom looks great Dai! :thumbsup: I've been having some good results recently with some of my SNL x NH's so check out the girls in my log when you have a chance.

Awesome! I'm going to check it out now. I'm about to start germing about 2-3 more strains to turn into moms and start a new "Mothering" grow log.

[d4twamp]

What new strains are you gonna knock up D

later, the other D

[daihashi]

What new strains are you gonna knock up D

later, the other D

I'm thinking Master Kush, Purple Power Plant and the classic... White Widow. This would give me 4 plants total to have as mothers.

I'd eventually like to get a hold of some DJ Short genetics. I've heard nothing but great things from him. They're kind of pricey so I may just go with some stuff from Joey Weeds as most of his stuff originates from DJ shorts genetics.

[d4twamp]

I'm thinking Master Kush, Purple Power Plant and the classic... White Widow. This would give me 4 plants total to have as mothers.

I'd eventually like to get a hold of some DJ Short genetics. I've heard nothing but great things from him. They're kind of pricey so I may just go with some stuff from Joey Weeds as most of his stuff originates from DJ shorts genetics.

Nice D

I'd love to get my hands on some PPP genetics, Imagine the PPP X'd with the WW that would be one purple albino beast... I'm already ready to subscribe to your mom thread when you get it on and poppin... Keep up the great work...

D:S5:

[daihashi]

So I'm still only seeing two plants sexed so far. This bothers me and is frustrating. I was hoping to see at least 1 pistil somewhere randomly on all the plants.

I suspect light coming from the windows could be interfering with their night cycle some how.

To remedy this I bought 9ft of panda film to hang over the the two narrow windows I have in the room in addition to making a curtain of sorts for my mother cabinet area. I am thinking of removing the door to my mothering cabinet all together and just leaving the curtain in place. This would allow some airflow in the area and still keep the grow room totally dark.

I am also going to invest in some green light bulbs so I can work in the area even during the night cycle.

Cold weather is starting to kick up and I have some plans to expand my grow to another 4.5'x4.5' grow hut with another 600 watt HPS. I found a pretty slick deal on lumatek digital ballasts. Much better deal than what I paid for my hydrofarm xtrasun ballast. I will be chain the new light to the ducting in the other grow room so I'm using 1 6" fan to ventilate the 2 600 watt HPS lights. I will but another 6" fan to install into the second grow area.

Tonight I'm going to start germing some seeds to make mothers out of. I also started LST'ing the SNLxNH mom last night. she already turned all her leaves upright. Hopefully she get's nice and bushy so I can take a decent amount of cuttings.

A lot is going on with my grow at the moment. I need to do a better job of updating this log with the little details.

I plan on doing a full objective outline here soon so I can have a baseline of where I currently stand and where I want to be in the next 4-6 weeks.

[d4twamp]

I'll be tuned in for the show D

[daihashi]

I had a bit of time to kill. So I wrote my outline as promised of my current setup.. and my goals/objectives. I wrote it down as things popped into my head so forgive me if I seem to run from thought to thought; but it gives a good idea of where I stand, and where I want to be.

Outline:

Current Flower room

4.5'x4.5'x7' Hydrohut
1 600 watt HydroFarm xtrasun HPS
600 Watt Eye Hortilux bulb
Cool Tube w/ 6" 424CFM inline fan
6" 424 inline fan Ventilating the room
1 clamp mounted Circulatory fan, small (6 inches)
7 plants, 6 in 2 gallon pots and 1 in a 1 gallon pot
Canna Coco substrate
Full Canna Coco Nutrient line
12 hours of light; on from 9pm to 9am
House Thermostat set at 75 degrees; Hut Temps sit at 77-82 depending on the temperature outside
Panda Film duct taped over the windows to prevent light leaks. I've left about 2ft untaped so I can get my hands to the windows to take advantage of the cold weather that will be coming at night soon.


Mother room:


One 2.5x2.5x 6ft cabinet with shelf (which I will either remove or lower.. currently the shelf sits too high for me to use it as a clone area like I wanted to)
Home to 1 Mother (SNLxNH) currently undergoing LST
Will house 2-3 more mothers soon, so far on my to do list is Master Kush, White Widow and another to be decided strain.
Currently running 4 23 watt CFL's. Will expand this up to 10 23 watt CFL's.
Running on 24 hour lighting. Will be changing to 18/6 and maybe even 16/8 for electrical savings.
Plan on using Liquid light to get the mothers going due to lack of light intensity. This should help get the lower parts of the plants get some decent clone sites.
Canna Coco Substrate
Full Canna Coco Nutrient line
1 Box fan on highest setting acting as an exhaust (moves 2300 CFM supposedly)
Panda film curtain to black out the room and prevent light leaks from hurting the flower room.


Goals/Objectives


Get 2-3oz dry weight per plant in my current grow and future grows.
Fill the 4.5'x4.5' area with the maximum number of plants for this area (I believe this to be 16-20)
Grow immediately from Rooted clones to obtain the fastest harvest times. (Still deciding on either 1 gallon pots or 2 gallon. With coco you can get away with smaller pots)
Prevent hermies on the SNLxNH strain through the use of Reverse and Penetrator
Utilize cool Fall/winter Air to cool my grow room. Save money on electrical costs.
Get more tools (TDS/PPM meter, RO water setup, etc etc) to be able to better control my grow. Though at this point I'm not sure I need an RO setup.
Install Radiant Barrier and more blown in insulation to help keep the temps down as temps climb up in the spring time. This will benefit me outside my grow also.
No intentions of growing through late spring/summer months. The heat where I live is just too intense and my electrical bill will be out the roof.

[d4twamp]

I hear you D, about the no growin in summer it's too damn hot here as well...I just hope to harvest enough in the cooler months to get thru the summer...but that didn't happen this last year, outta meds...:sadcrying...then there is outdoor for the summer, might as well take mother nature up on her offer for free light and co2...

got any pix of the SNLxNH mom in bondage... I want to try LSTing a SNLxNH mommy once I get my ass into gear...

D:jointsmile:

[daihashi]

I hear you D, about the no growin in summer it's too damn hot here as well...I just hope to harvest enough in the cooler months to get thru the summer...but that didn't happen this last year, outta meds...:sadcrying...then there is outdoor for the summer, might as well take mother nature up on her offer for free light and co2...

got any pix of the SNLxNH mom in bondage... I want to try LSTing a SNLxNH mommy once I get my ass into gear...

D:jointsmile:

No pics yet.. right now it apears I lost power at the house (it's pouring down here); but as soon as lights come back on I'll snap a shot of her. Nothing impressive yet. I may try throwing her under the HPS for a few hours a day to try to speed up the process until I can get my hands on some liquid light.

I would try outdoors but I don't even know how I would grow around here (I live in one of the 4 largest city's in the US) in addition to this I'm a bit paranoid traveling to and from a place that is not my home. Especially since I drive a luxury car and don't own a truck. Would look odd driving in the middle of no where in a high end car.

[d4twamp]

I'd like to try the liquid light too, I keep hearing good things about it...

D:jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

I've had issues with LL.....vague ones, but they bother me. My plants leaves just seem to start drying out after a few uses.....even at half strength with the lights turned off until they are dry.

[daihashi]

I've had issues with LL.....vague ones, but they bother me. My plants leaves just seem to start drying out after a few uses.....even at half strength with the lights turned off until they are dry.

Thanks for the heads up.. I've been thinking anyway just to throw the mom's under the HPS in the flowering room for a few hours (6-8) a day to get some intense lighting and then back under the CFL's for the remainder (10-16 hours) until they get nice and bushy.

don't have to spend anything extra on nutes and I get to utilize some of the extra space I have in my grow hut that I'm not using at the moment.

[Weedhound]

X-Crispi uses straight hps in veg and ends up with some very nice busy stuff when he turns it. More light!! Can't have too much light! Ever!

[daihashi]

Forgot to mention, 5 out of 7 ladies have shown me their hoo-ha's...

The other 2 are a bit smaller than the rest and are probably playing catch up.

:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Cant wait to see em!
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

Cant wait to see em!
whiskeytango


eh.. nothing worth really looking at right now. I had to really scour around for the calyxes/pistils.

They probably won't start looking sexy until week 3 or so. Which is when I start feeding them some Boost, then in week 4/5 I'll feed them PK 13/14 which is supposed to make them explode in sexiness.

It's my first time with the canna nute line so I don't know what to expect.

I'm mostly thrown off because the Canna Nutes Part A and B are meant to be used in equal parts.. something even the experienced coco growers over at ICmag recommend. However the Canna Nute Part A contains an N value of 5 at the recomended dosage I believe or higher.

I'm probably going to give the plants a really GOOD flush at the end of week 3 right before I start feeding with the PK 13/14, but I am jumping the gun here.. Let me get to week 4 before I start contemplating the sexines to come :stoned:

[daihashi]

Well I went to feed the plants today and I noticed the leaves were getting green.. Way too green.. very dark dark green.

This is an indication of too much nitrogen and the plants suffer because of it. To remedy the solution I watered all the plants with plain water ph'd between 5.6-5.8

I will do a full flush (6 gallons of water) per plant on sunday night or monday night.

My plan is to have the plants to leach as much of the available nitrogen in their leaves as possible until they return to a suitable color

I've also raised the light back an additional 6 inches to give them time to recover.

No pics because I tried to get a shot of the super green leaves while under the HPS instead of out in normal light like I should've.. so it's difficult to tell..

hell I'll post it anyway.. Trust me these plans are green; it's a sign of nitrogen toxicity. Hopefully I caught it early enough to where it's not a problem for the young ladies. This could also explain why it was taking a while for them to show their pistils.

5 out of 7 plants have sexed.

[daihashi]

fyi... if you cant tell the color in this pic then check out the LST mother in my mothering log. She's not nearly as dark green as the others but she's getting there. I will give her a full on flush on sunday night.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/164062-motherly-love-tale-4-mums.html#post1929296

[daihashi]

Flushed each plant with 4 gallons of water since I did a mini flush on them all earlier. I then fed with a 5th gallon of water that had a half dose of PK 13/14 to try to induce bloom a little bit better than the rate they were going at.

Plants are looking great.

Decided to take some pics for you all:

Pic 1: Overall Shot of all the plants
Pic 2: Closer overall shot of all the plants
Pic 3: Height of one of the tallest plants; just to give an idea of actual size
Pic 4: Overall shot of all the plants 10 days ago.

[justanotherbozo]

very nice man, you keep your stuff really clean too, kudos for that

[daihashi]

very nice man, you keep your stuff really clean too, kudos for that

Thanks.. I still need to lift tie that power cord up so that way it's not drooping on the ground, but I try to keep a clean grow space.

I even sweep inside the hut once a week. :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

lol, i hate admitting i'm not so fastidious

[Weedhound]

Get a good dustbuster.....I can't live without mine.

Dai, the plants are looking terrific!! Keep it up!! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Lookin great D!! Weedy's right, I keep a dustbuster just for the room, lol... Nice cool tubes...heh
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

Well.. I've decided to go hydro and will probably be shopping around for a decent looking aeroponics/hydroponics system. Now with the future plans aside.. time to discuss the current grow:

Watered all the plants last night with about half a gallon of solution each. Here was the mixture:

8ml PK 13/14 per gallon
8ml Canna Boost per gallon
Ph'd to 5.8

That's right; I cut out the canna coco nutes part A/B all together. The leaves are still a bit darker green than I'd like but hopefully cutting out the nutes all together will help. I will start adding calmag plus soon for all the micronutes but it should be good until the next feeding time.

Later this afternoon I get the joy of tearing down my grow room. The cable guys are coming out and out of all the rooms in the house they need access too.. they need access to that one room. FUCK!.

Luckily it's a grow tent so I can just tear it down really fast. I'll probably leave the frame up. I plan on transporting the plants downstairs into one of the master bedroom closets. I'll put a 33 gallon trashbag over each plant so that it's night period doesn't get interrupted while I'm carrying the plant from the grow area and into it's hiding place.

In addition to this I have to take down my fans and lighting; which isn't a big deal except that I have to big gaping holes in my ceiling that might rouse some questions from the installers. If they ask me I plan on telling them that I was working in the attic and I stepped on part of the floor where the sheet rock was floated poorly. Sounds like a valid enough excuse to me.

either way; I hope to have them the hell out of my house before it's time for lights to come back on.

Also my mom was trying to insist on coming over today. I was like WTF. I basically told her no and to not bother me until I call her. On top of that my g/f's dad decides to drop by yesterday and I didn't lock the room. Luckily she steered him away from the room. He's really laid back and doesn't care too much about crap. She told him it's locked and it's a room just used for storage after which he just went back downstairs to play with the kitten. He's a cool dude.

Nothing suspicious going and I don't necessarily believe in god since I'm agnostic; but sometimes I wonder if I'm being fucked with just to see me stress out. LOL!

My mom goes back to Florida next week.. comcast won't need to get into my attic again.. and my g/f's dad probably won't drop by ever again unless we invite him. Everyone else who stops by can eat a big fat one.

lol

[d4twamp]

Well.. I've decided to go hydro and will probably be shopping around for a decent looking aeroponics/hydroponics system. Now with the future plans aside.. time to discuss the current grow:

Watered all the plants last night with about half a gallon of solution each. Here was the mixture:

8ml PK 13/14 per gallon
8ml Canna Boost per gallon
Ph'd to 5.8

That's right; I cut out the canna coco nutes part A/B all together. The leaves are still a bit darker green than I'd like but hopefully cutting out the nutes all together will help. I will start adding calmag plus soon for all the micronutes but it should be good until the next feeding time.

Later this afternoon I get the joy of tearing down my grow room. The cable guys are coming out and out of all the rooms in the house they need access too.. they need access to that one room. FUCK!.

Luckily it's a grow tent so I can just tear it down really fast. I'll probably leave the frame up. I plan on transporting the plants downstairs into one of the master bedroom closets. I'll put a 33 gallon trashbag over each plant so that it's night period doesn't get interrupted while I'm carrying the plant from the grow area and into it's hiding place.

In addition to this I have to take down my fans and lighting; which isn't a big deal except that I have to big gaping holes in my ceiling that might rouse some questions from the installers. If they ask me I plan on telling them that I was working in the attic and I stepped on part of the floor where the sheet rock was floated poorly. Sounds like a valid enough excuse to me.

either way; I hope to have them the hell out of my house before it's time for lights to come back on.

Also my mom was trying to insist on coming over today. I was like WTF. I basically told her no and to not bother me until I call her. On top of that my g/f's dad decides to drop by yesterday and I didn't lock the room. Luckily she steered him away from the room. He's really laid back and doesn't care too much about crap. She told him it's locked and it's a room just used for storage after which he just went back downstairs to play with the kitten. He's a cool dude.

Nothing suspicious going and I don't necessarily believe in god since I'm agnostic; but sometimes I wonder if I'm being fucked with just to see me stress out. LOL!

My mom goes back to Florida next week.. comcast won't need to get into my attic again.. and my g/f's dad probably won't drop by ever again unless we invite him. Everyone else who stops by can eat a big fat one.

lol

Sup D going DRo huh don't go out and buy some expensive system bro, just bulid one and you'll spend alot less money and have even more satisfaction knowing you made it yourself good luck

[daihashi]

Sup D going DRo huh don't go out and buy some expensive system bro, just bulid one and you'll spend alot less money and have even more satisfaction knowing you made it yourself good luck

I'm looking at Stinky's NFT setup right now. Hopefully I can get it all setup on the cheap :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Dai youv'e hit the same issue as we have......keeping stuff hidden.

Have fun with that......because you never know when someone will drop by and it's quite the juggling act sometimes.

[WhiskeyTango]

^^ what she said
:joint1:

[daihashi]

Dai youv'e hit the same issue as we have......keeping stuff hidden.

Have fun with that......because you never know when someone will drop by and it's quite the juggling act sometimes.

well.. that room is typically locked and I tell people I just use it for storage; which has worked great. No one questions it, but I do have future plans to make that room 100% hidden... james bond, secret bookshelf style door.

[daihashi]

welp.. I bit the bullet and bought all the equipment I need for a modular containerized NFT system. But that is for another grow log at another time.

Total cost for everything including some spare equipment was $130. This is capable of growing up to 24 plants.

Not bad I say :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Here is where I bought it all and the quantity of each

B'Cuzz Dutch Leach Tray W/Fittings (http://www.somocohydro.com/707430.html) QTY: 4
EcoPlus 185 Gph Submersible Pump (http://www.somocohydro.com/728300.html) QTY: 2
1/4" Poly Tubing 50' Roll (http://www.somocohydro.com/708655.html) QTY: 1
1/2" Poly Tubing 50'Roll (http://www.somocohydro.com/708660.html) QTY: 1
Hole Punch Black (http://www.somocohydro.com/708670.html) QTY: 1
Dripper Stake 45Deg (100/Bag) 1Ea=1Stake (http://www.somocohydro.com/708350.html) QTY: 36
5.5X5.5X6In Black Square Pots (http://www.somocohydro.com/724425.html) QTY: 24
5 Gallon Bucket (Black) .75 Mil (144 Skid) (http://www.somocohydro.com/724380.html) QTY: 2

[Shovelhandle]

I'm curious about this grow method. What does the initials mean? I looked at the materials, cool stuff. I'm excited to see how this turns out.

Good Luck, Daihashi.

[daihashi]

I'm curious about this grow method. What does the initials mean? I looked at the materials, cool stuff. I'm excited to see how this turns out.

Good Luck, Daihashi.

The initials just mean quantity. It's the exact same method Stinky used in her "n00b" darkside log.

I won't be beginning that grow until I either finish this current grow or until I get another grow hut, 600 watt ballast, light, cool tube and another fan. I'm hoping that I can do the later before the end of november. for more details on this type of growing check out this log:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/131118-stinkys-crash-course-noob-hydro-welcome-darkside.html

[daihashi]

on another note I was able to tear down my grow area in about 30 minutes.. Not bad. :thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

Can't wait to see the pix of the new set up D

[8182KSKUSH]

Wait! WTF happened? What did I miss and why the switch outta coco?
Good luck on the darkside.
And you are brave, I feel your pain on the cable company coming out, and moving your plants! That sucks!:mad: I am sure all will be fine!

[daihashi]

Wait! WTF happened? What did I miss and why the switch outta coco?
Good luck on the darkside.
And you are brave, I feel your pain on the cable company coming out, and moving your plants! That sucks!:mad: I am sure all will be fine!

Oh, I will be finishing this grow in coco and placing my mothers in coco also. However when i begin taking clones soon I will be putting them into hydro.

Yeah, the cable company sucked. The worst of it was that in the end they had to end up running cable a long the outside of the house since my wiring inside the house was way too screwy. So I ended up tearing down the entire grow area for no reason.. heh but better to be safe than sorry.

:hippy:

[daihashi]

watered the plants last night.. Decided to pull them from their pots and my god are they root bound. I'm at least 6 weeks out; thank god that coco is a little more forgiving with rootbound plants. So long as you water them more frequently then you will usually be fine. It looks like I really needed to plant into 3 gallon pots instead.

I got all my gear in to setup my hydro area. Unfortunatley they forgot to ship the pots. I've contacted the place I ordered from and am waiting to hear back.

In the mean time I took the 2 5 gallon buckets and filled them up with water. I will let them set for about 2 days and then premix my nutes. This should take some of the work out of mixing up nute solution the day of my watering.

Since I mix 1 gallon jug at a time it get's very tedious; but this way I'll have a resevoir I can pull from. Should give me 1 hour of my time back which would be nice.

I might take some pics of the plants either tomorrow night or Sunday night. I'll update my mothering log while I'm at it. The mothers are still small but they're under CFL's. I'm about to build out another area for my 400 watt HID.I figure I can use this to get my other mom's a little bit of a kick start. I'm wanting to get some clones of each of these in my next grow.

[d4twamp]

hey D what kind of hydro system you running with....

[daihashi]

hey D what kind of hydro system you running with....

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/131118-stinkys-crash-course-noob-hydro-welcome-darkside-2.html#post1627557

[d4twamp]

when will the new hydro setup be up and runnin

[daihashi]

when will the new hydro setup be up and runnin

Well now it's all dependant on when i get my pots I ordered. If I get them soon then I'll try to take some clones by this coming friday.

[d4twamp]

Are you using net pots

[daihashi]

Are you using net pots

Nope. Using regular 5.5"x5.5"x6" pots. :)

[daihashi]

Ok got some pics for everyone. I estimate to be on day 26 of flowering. Most of these shots are glamour shots

Pic1: Shot of one of the plant colas
Pic2: different plant main cola
Pic3: different plant main cola
Pic4: different plant main cola
Pic5: bud top close up

[daihashi]

Pic1: Shot of middle/lower canopy of 3 plants side by side.

Pic2: Shot of plants in the grow hut. The light is about 5 ft up now and the grow hut is 7ft tall. Good news is I think the plants are done stretching.

Pic3: Doing my period soil runoff ph check like a good boy. My nutrient solution was at 5.6ph and my runoff was at about 5.6ph. So I am within a good range for my plants.


I estimate these plants have another 5 weeks to go.. 6 weeks tops. They're really starting to pick up speed now on the budding.

[Weedhound]

Excellent. :greenthumb: They look terrific Dai. That IS starting to appear orgy-ish with all those plants in there growing so nicely. :eek:

[daihashi]

You ever realize there's a problem in your grow and you try to convince yourself it's no big deal, but really deep down in your heart you know you should correct it even though you're 5-6 weeks out from harvest... only to have 2 friends reaffirm that you should transplant.

UGH!!!! Yeah that happened to me today. My plants were obviously rootbound although I'm convinced they probably could've made it till harvest I decided to err on the side of caution. 2 friends also said I should probably transplant even though I didn't see any symptoms of lockout.. only rootbound symptoms.

I have to say I realize why I chose to always go up 2 gallons at a time instead of 1. I transplanted from a 2 gallon pot into a 3 gallon pot and there was barely any room to properly fill the soil in around the plant.

In either case I've transplanted 6 out of 7 plants and will probably transplant the last pot tomorrow. That plant is in a 1 gallon pot and I will transplant into a 2 gallon pot.

So now I'm stuck with 2/3rds of a bag of canna coco I probably won't use again and some 3 gallon pots; although I'm sure I'll use this stuff up eventually.

Either way the plants are looking great and the budding is starting to pick up.. trichs are also starting to form. I suspect in another week the trichs will really be looking nice and frosty.. currently they look more like a light sprinkling. I am hoping for these buds to look like they were doused in sugar... yum yum in my tum.

[daihashi]

well.. i took 12 cuttings today, dipped them in "dip and grow" and put them into rapid rooters.

I am hoping for a high success rate. This is my first time taking cuttings but I believe i did everything right. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.

[d4twamp]

Sup D, Howz'a bout some pix of dem' clones bro...I'm curious to see how fast they root...As I've got some SNLxNH beans in Oasis cubes right now...the most vigorous plant of those will become a mommy along with a MK I'm waiting on to sprout...keep up the good work...

D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Sup D, Howz'a bout some pix of dem' clones bro...I'm curious to see how fast they root...As I've got some SNLxNH beans in Oasis cubes right now...the most vigorous plant of those will become a mommy along with a MK I'm waiting on to sprout...keep up the good work...

D:thumbsup:

You know the reason I haven't taken pics of the longs is because I'm kind of confused.

My clones aren't dying.. They are actually still perky as if they were still on the plant. But the problem I am having is that they aren't showing a single root either!

So my plants are neither dying nor are they rooting. I don't know wtf to think. I figured after 7 days I would see at least 1 little root.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

lol dai...i'm no expert on cloning but maybe it has to do with your rooting compound. because if they're still living then they must be taking up h2o straight through the stem and not forming roots since they're doing well without them. Maybe dab them with some dipngrow, if you haven't already.

about your transplanting issue, if you're using 1gal pots and now 2gals...i'd prob trans again into 3-5gal if you have the space or time. IMO bigger is better...but the plants need a gradual increase throughout. i'm sure they'll be fine though. im in 5gal buckets of coco myself and the girls are loving it. If i could have gotten them in bigger containers i think they'd appreciate it. well i hope i helped in some way. good luck buddy.

mgm

[daihashi]

lol dai...i'm no expert on cloning but maybe it has to do with your rooting compound. because if they're still living then they must be taking up h2o straight through the stem and not forming roots since they're doing well without them. Maybe dab them with some dipngrow, if you haven't already.

about your transplanting issue, if you're using 1gal pots and now 2gals...i'd prob trans again into 3-5gal if you have the space or time. IMO bigger is better...but the plants need a gradual increase throughout. i'm sure they'll be fine though. im in 5gal buckets of coco myself and the girls are loving it. If i could have gotten them in bigger containers i think they'd appreciate it. well i hope i helped in some way. good luck buddy.

mgm

I cloned them with dip and grow. I may just be jumping the gun here though after talking with some other people. I'm going to give it a total of 3 weeks before I start freaking out.

My transplanting issue is fine. I'm very familiar with transplanting the problem was that I was trying to avoid it because:

1: I did not have any more coco medium and had to go buy some (crap is expensive). 28 bucks

2. I did not have any round 3 gallon pots and they were kind of pricey (think I spent like 15 bucks total for 10 buckets).

3. Plants in coco are not like plants in soil. When a plant in coco get's rootbound it's not the end of the world. As long as you stay on top of watering them before they dry out then they'll be fine. Problem is you'll still see clawed leaves/ downcurled canoed leaves.

I didn't particularly like seeing that and decided, after other people affirmed what I already knew what I should be doing, to transplant into just a SLIGHTLY larger pot.

My roots and plants are done stretching upward and the 1 gallon increase will be just enough to keep the plants comfortable.

I typically trans plant from 1gal, 3 gal, 5 gal. However this time I was trying to make due with just 2 gallon pots. I was trying to fit within a certain space limitation and I didn't have enough coco medium for 3 gallon pots.

Anyway; thanks for the input. :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

hope that your clones fire off lots of roots. I've been watching my clones slowly develope into little plants, I hope they will burst forth with heavy growth when I get them under 400 watts MH

[daihashi]

hope that your clones fire off lots of roots. I've been watching my clones slowly develope into little plants, I hope they will burst forth with heavy growth when I get them under 400 watts MH

Thanks.. I do too. This whole cloning thing is new to me and a complete mystery. I'm hoping that they start having little shoots come off soon.

Hopefully in another week or 2 I'll have a full set of roots ready to be setup into hydro under a 400 watt MH for a week or 2 and then start them flowering after that.

[d4twamp]

Hey D I'll be routing for your rooting as well bruddah...

D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

well.. i took 12 cuttings today, dipped them in "dip and grow" and put them into rapid rooters.

I am hoping for a high success rate. This is my first time taking cuttings but I believe i did everything right. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.

Ok... we're down to 11.

1 clone died today. It appears the stem rotted away inside the rapid rooter. Which is odd because all the other plants have firm stems.

I'm also still bothered that I don't have a single root yet, but my clones aren't dying/wilting away either. I am so confused about this cloning thing.

[WhiskeyTango]

Ive had clones take 7-10 days to root all the time, your only at day 6 man, lol...Sit it out homie, your fine:greenthumb:

[daihashi]

Ive had clones take 7-10 days to root all the time, your only at day 6 man, lol...Sit it out homie, your fine:greenthumb:

Actually technically I'm at day 8 or 9. I actually took my cuttings on Nov. 4th but didn't post about it until Nov 5th.

Bleh... root bastards root! lol :hippy:

[d4twamp]

Hey D any pix of your cuts bro...

[Weedhound]

Oh god....the cloning thing. I HATE this part. Dai I had the exact same issue as you......nothing nothing nothing and I was jumping through hoops right and left. Make sure your dip and grow is good.....Stinky suggested that brand over others and it works well for me.

Are they changing color...as in getting lighter or yellowing? If so you could foliar feed them lightly.....I swear I've stared at clones FOREVER and nothing but once you see the plant starting to pull nutes from the leaves you can foliar feed a grow nute (I ph to 6.5) at 1/4 strength. It really seems to help the plant and I'll usually get roots within a few days of the foliar feeding.

[daihashi]

Oh god....the cloning thing. I HATE this part. Dai I had the exact same issue as you......nothing nothing nothing and I was jumping through hoops right and left. Make sure your dip and grow is good.....Stinky suggested that brand over others and it works well for me.

Are they changing color...as in getting lighter or yellowing? If so you could foliar feed them lightly.....I swear I've stared at clones FOREVER and nothing but once you see the plant starting to pull nutes from the leaves you can foliar feed a grow nute (I ph to 6.5) at 1/4 strength. It really seems to help the plant and I'll usually get roots within a few days of the foliar feeding.

That is the strange part. They really are just not dying. They are not yellowing, they aren't getting limp. Nothing seems wrong with them aside from the fact that I have no roots.

I'm glad WT had pointed out that it's only been 6 days (really it's been 8) because it made me realize it hasn't been that long. If I go 3 weeks and still no roots then I think I am doing something seriously wrong.

My dip and grow is fresh. I also got it on recommendation after reading a few of threads Stinky suggested it. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Hey D any pix of your cuts bro...

I'll take some pics tonight. I keep putting it off because there are no roots but I guess I can go ahead and snap some pics.

Stay tuned later this evening.

[TurboALLWD]

I'm also new to cloning but have had some sucess. I made a bubble cloner like the one made in the sticky and bam! I have roots! lol. However, they almost died, they did wilt, and the stems did turn purple. Do you score/peel a part of the stem back after cutting? I didn't see roots until 3 days after i re-cut the stems and quit peeling back a sliver of the stem, I also placed the stems 1/4in in the water instead of 1/4in above. I think the big determining factor was the switch in air pumps, crappy walmart pump for an industrial sized pump pushing 70l/min

[McDanger]

That is the strange part. They really are just not dying. They are not yellowing, they aren't getting limp. Nothing seems wrong with them aside from the fact that I have no roots.

I'm glad WT had pointed out that it's only been 6 days (really it's been 8) because it made me realize it hasn't been that long. If I go 3 weeks and still no roots then I think I am doing something seriously wrong.

My dip and grow is fresh. I also got it on recommendation after reading a few of threads Stinky suggested it. :thumbsup:
The last clones I did were doing the same thing, even growing with no roots. I was using a bubble cloner. I don't know if this is what helped, but I laid a piece of carpet on top of the dome to reduce the amount of light they got and they started rooting in a day or two. This was after no roots for 2 weeks. I was foliar feeding.

[daihashi]

Well I pulled all my clones out of the rapid rooters.. only 3-4 out of 12 are showing root formation. I'm wondering if I didn't scarify the clones deep enough or something.

I've heard of people splitting the stem up the middle a little bit to help promote rooting. Would anyone recommend this when I try to take my next batch of clones in a few weeks?

[Weedhound]

I think you're just jumping the gun and expecting too much too soon.

[d4twamp]

I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

[daihashi]

I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

I think it was just the way I took cuttings. I think I scarified some of them better than others. 25% isn't too bad for my first attempt at cuttings. In a few weeks I'll have enough clones for 24 cuttings.

Anyway here are some quick shots. Buds aren't really fattening up yet but the plants look healthy and great. I've seen Weedhound flower this strain in about 65-70 days.

I'm currently at day 37 (week 5). I am hoping to see the buds start to fatten up soon. Hopefully over the next 2-3 weeks. At that point I will stop feeding nutes all together and just feed straight water to ensure the plants are nice and flushed at time of harvest.

I estimate about 5 weeks left.

Pic 1: Shot of Clones
Pic 2: Shot of one of the cola tops
Pic 3: Overall Shot of plants in tent.

[daihashi]

Here are some bonus shots of a slug that apparently snuck into my house some how. He was surprisingly fast for a slug. Made it hard to snap any good pics on him. Agile little guy.

[daihashi]

I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

They're in the same room that the mothering plants spend 12 hours of their day. The room has 3 23watt CFL's about 2.5 - 3 ft above the dome that the clones are sitting in.

I try to keep the RR's just damp.

I think WH is right and I'm just being impatient. I'm just so hands on and analytical to the point where it's a hinderance. bleh...

Either way I know I'll get at least 3 clones out of this. I'll be trying for 24 clones at 100% success rate next time.

:thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

I'd try dropping one of them cfl's a lil closer over the top of them clones, but that's just me...I hope your clones grow some feet soon bro...are you keeping the clones under a dome, for higher humidity...

[Weedhound]

PICTURES OF A SLUG? :eek: Look at the name of it even....."slug". Doesn't that pretty much say it all right there????

Perhaps wet your rooters a bit more than damp. I like them wet enough when cloning that they are more than damp, less than soaking wet. If you squeezed one you would get some water out without too much trouble. About how wet you'd like a sponge to be if you were going to clean with it......more than damp; less than soaked or drippy.

[daihashi]

I'd try dropping one of them cfl's a lil closer over the top of them clones, but that's just me...I hope your clones grow some feet soon bro...are you keeping the clones under a dome, for higher humidity...

yeah, The dome stays on the clones all the time. I even have a little heating pad from hydrofarm I use but I question whether I need it or not. Honestly since I started using the mat I've only had problems with leaves and mold and cutting off leaves that get infected. I've since moved all the clones a long the middle rows of the tray to avoid touching the dome (to avoid mold).

I think I will do a better job next time. Probably in about 2 weeks I will try to take 20 + cuttings. I am going to use the cuttings that survive as a model for my future clones.

:hippy:

[daihashi]

I took 20 cuttings today. It's pretty amazing at how quickly my mother produced viable cuttings.

I've included a picture of the clones and the mother. For some reason the pictures make the plants look yellow but I assure you they're not. The plants are actually a perfect green color. They are the epitome of what a healthy plant should look like.

Also in the picture of the new cuttings are the 3 cuttings from 2 weeks ago that have some roots. They will probably be going into their new hydro home this weekend (which I still have to build out but I have all the materials to do so.)

This time I'm going to use the set and forget method. I made my cuttings.. I put them in dip and grow and now I'm going to set them aside for 2 weeks and forget about them (except to mist/keep the rapid rooters damp) until the it's time to put them in their permanent homes.

Mental note for myself. Do not expect any roots until December 5th at the earliest.



edit: I haven't given my plants their hair cuts yet (cut their leaves in half)... I almost don't want to.. they look so pretty :hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

Good luck with the clones.
I re-read Stinky's cloning guide, she mentioned flipping the RR upside down, and taking a razor and slicing a vertical cut in them, then sticking the clones in them, I guess it keeps the RR more tightly against the whole stem. I am going to try that next go around, good luck with yours.
I think one problem I had as well, I kept the RR too moist, I messed with them too much, I loved them all to death. I think you got a good idea, set them and forget them. Less is more.:jointsmile:

[daihashi]

Good luck with the clones.
I re-read Stinky's cloning guide, she mentioned flipping the RR upside down, and taking a razor and slicing a vertical cut in them, then sticking the clones in them, I guess it keeps the RR more tightly against the whole stem. I am going to try that next go around, good luck with yours.

I did that last time and they weren't as snug as I would've liked.

Instead I just used the hole this time. They were a little bit so I pushed a little harder. If you push a little harder (when you reach resistance after inserting into the rapid rooter) you will actually start to drill the stem in between the fibers of the rapid rooter itself and it is VERY snug. I pulled out a clone I did this too and the stem was not damaged and the end of the cutting was still a sharp 45 degree cut like I had made it.

For the stems that weren't quite thick enough to do that with.. I went ahead and flipped it upside down.. got a tooth pick and predrilled a hole. Then I forced the plants through that.

That seemed to work really well also.





I think one problem I had as well, I kept the RR too moist, I messed with them too much, I loved them all to death. I think you got a good idea, set them and forget them. Less is more.:jointsmile:

definitely.

I don't think I kept the RR's that moist (felt like a wrung out sponge most of the time). I think did mess with them too much. I would pick them up and look at them for signs of roots which probably disturbed the plants and made it harder for them to root.

We have a cold front that came in last night so I have them on a seedling heating pat right now (made by hydrofarm) but beyond that I am not going to touch them until december 5th; beyond misting them that is.

[daihashi]

Day 47 (Week 6.5 or so)

Watered all the plants today except 2 of the smaller ones. Decided to take some pics of all the plants by themselves.. aka some bud porn.

They aren't that fat yet but they'll be getting there soon hopefully.

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant 1
Pic 2: Cola Shot of Plant 1
Pic 3: close up of cola top
Pic 4: Close up shot of random buds lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

Plant #2

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

Plant #3

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

Plant #4

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

Plant #5

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

[daihashi]

I estimate there to be about 4 weeks left or so. I will be picking up a jewlers loupe next week. Hopefully they start fattening up in the next few weeks. I will probably look to stop feeding nutes during the last 10 days of the grow and will begin a thorough flushing.

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey wow those look grrreat!:thumbsup:

[WhiskeyTango]

Damn D!!! Lookin sexy yo...lol

[daihashi]

Damn D!!! Lookin sexy yo...lol

Thanks.. as you guys can see a couple of plants are way more triched out than others. I'm hoping these lazy asses catch up soon. I prefer to harvest all on at the same time as opposed to incrementally.

[Weedhound]

You can harvest them all at the same time....but they will all finish individually. Most likely not enough to make a difference but each is their own little individual. Now doesn't that make you feel like a proud parent?

I personally love Stinky's method of turning the RR over and cutting a straight hole in it for clones. For seeds I use the pre-made hole but for cuttings I love turning them over. Makes my clones stand up straight because of the way the RR's are shaped and I like that fungus fighting stuff kissing right up next to my clone stem.

Sorry.....got a little kinky there..... :D

[daihashi]

You can harvest them all at the same time....but they will all finish individually. Most likely not enough to make a difference but each is their own little individual. Now doesn't that make you feel like a proud parent?

I personally love Stinky's method of turning the RR over and cutting a straight hole in it for clones. For seeds I use the pre-made hole but for cuttings I love turning them over. Makes my clones stand up straight because of the way the RR's are shaped and I like that fungus fighting stuff kissing right up next to my clone stem.

Sorry.....got a little kinky there..... :D

Maybe I made my holes too big but they just didn't seem very sturdy. At least not compared to me forcing the plants through the rapid rooter.

Think of a skewer going through the RR. You have to use some solid cuttings to be able to do it though. I am trying so hard not to look or baby the clones. I just misted the RR's and dome again last night since they were drying out. Hopefully I'll have roots by dec. 5th.

[Weedhound]

Its very easy to make the holes too big. I use a scalpel to scarify the stem and literally stick the scalpel straight down/ in and back out so not much of a hole to start with. The holes that are already there are WAY too big for a clone stem.

[daihashi]

Its very easy to make the holes too big. I use a scalpel to scarify the stem and literally stick the scalpel straight down/ in and back out so not much of a hole to start with. The holes that are already there are WAY too big for a clone stem.

Yep.. that's exactly how I did mine but my scalpel (more like an exacto knife than a scalpel) is a bit fat/wide.

I'll see if I can take some individual pictures of my cuttings next time I have to mist/water them so you can see how secure/sturdy they are. Just give them that little extra push once you feel you've hit the bottom of the premade hole in the RR. 1/4-1/2" push is fine. Having your stem cut at 45 degrees (as you should) helps with penetrating the fibers of the RR without damaging the cutting.

Really the ultimate test to if my method is acceptable will be if I see roots or not.

We'll find out dec 5th.

Maybe I just need to buy a thinner blade for my exacto knife... bleh

[Weedhound]

You and I seem to have successes in different ways so I sometimes hesitate to give you advice......often what works for you makes me nuts......but it WORKS for YOU so I just watch usually.

Most WILL eventually root if you wait long enough. Part of the issue I had was that things took so damn long to root that by the time they did they were just a stick anyway so it didn't really seem worth the energy nd time we put into them. HOWEVER, once Stinky started helping me it got better and better and easier and easier (and that's partially due to the RR's.....I adore those things) and they got to rooting faster and faster, without so much leaf loss. My big discovery is that no matter WHAT is wrong with them they wilt.....too wet...wilt.....too dry...wilt....too cold....wilt......you get the idea. So I had to make sure that the main four things were correct......correct amount of moisture,cloning stuff (dip and grow per Stinky) low heat and a healthy clone to start all were things that had to be correct for good rooting.

[daihashi]

You and I seem to have successes in different ways so I sometimes hesitate to give you advice......often what works for you makes me nuts......but it WORKS for YOU so I just watch usually.

Most WILL eventually root if you wait long enough. Part of the issue I had was that things took so damn long to root that by the time they did they were just a stick anyway so it didn't really seem worth the energy nd time we put into them. HOWEVER, once Stinky started helping me it got better and better and easier and easier (and that's partially due to the RR's.....I adore those things) and they got to rooting faster and faster, without so much leaf loss. My big discovery is that no matter WHAT is wrong with them they wilt.....too wet...wilt.....too dry...wilt....too cold....wilt......you get the idea. So I had to make sure that the main four things were correct......correct amount of moisture,cloning stuff (dip and grow per Stinky) low heat and a healthy clone to start all were things that had to be correct for good rooting.

That is strange.. no matter what I do my plants don't wilt. To give you an example... 1 plant had turned to complete MUSH beneath the rapid rooter and had probably been that way for a few days. The plant above the rapid rooter was still hard and alive and very much green. No wilting at all; the plants refused to die even with the plant rotting beneath the rapid rooter.

I have been fighting with the heating pad because cold fronts have been coming and going here lately. Tonight I'll probably have to put the seedling heating pad back under the tray since it's dropping into the 40's tonight and I use the cool air outside to cool my flower room.

And please don't hesitate to give me advice. You and I definitely have different growing styles but that doesn't mean I don't take what you have to say to heart. You are a good established grower and people like you, Stinky, WT and others are mentors to me. I may not follow the advice but I highly value it more than you probably know. :hippy:

I know you grow under a 1000watt hps but I'm curious how my plants look for their age compared to yours. I'm only running a 600 watt hps right now.

[daihashi]

Finally started my hydro setup today. I've got 2 plants in there currently and have room for 10 more on the current 2 leach trays. I have another 2 trays I can setup allowing me up to 24 plants total.

yay... pics soon.

[daihashi]

Here's a pic of the setup.

2 Leach trays
1 5 gallon bucket
1 185gph Ecopump
5' 1/2" tubing
misc lenghts 1/4" tubing
12 drip stakes
Hydrotron

And you get what you see before you; modular containerized NFT hydro setup.

[d4twamp]

Nice dro system D, simple yet effective... That's one big things about dro I like, simplicity...can't wait to see how they do in there...

Are both of those plants from seed or are they clones?...
what strain are they the SNLxNH too....

I just put together one of my dro systems last night as well, and got some SNLxNH seedlings and some bagbeans that will make a new home out of that ebb n flo system...then as they get bigger they will get new homes...

later keep it up bro:thumbsup: