GI Joe shoots freed hostage

[nomorenarcs]

More cowboys from the USA acting like big shots and killing innocent people. Out of Iraq stupid american cowboys:



BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Italian journalist wounded at a Baghdad checkpoint shooting involving U.S. troops told an Italian TV station Saturday that she is doing well but is "upset" by the death of the security agent who was killed saving her life.

Giuliana Sgrena, a newspaper reporter who was struck by shrapnel in her left shoulder Friday night, told Rainew24: "I was particularly upset [by his death] because we thought we were out of danger after my handover to the Italians. Instead, there has been a sudden shootout. We were hit by a barrage of bullets.

"I was talking to Nicola [Calipari]. He was filling me in on what had happened in Italy in the meantime, when he leaned over me, probably to defend me, and then he slumped down and I saw he was dead. And the fire [of bullets] continued ... because the driver couldn't even explain that we were Italians. It has really been a terrible thing."

Calipari was killed when he tried to shield Sgrena from gunfire as they approached a U.S. military checkpoint near Baghdad International Airport.

Speaking from Rome's military hospital, Sgrena, 56, said she was doing well.

The two other Italian security agents in the car were also wounded. According to Reuters, one returned to Italy with Sgrena on Saturday morning, and the other, who was seriously wounded, is being treated in Iraq.

President Bush has promised the United States will investigate the incident, which occurred shortly after Sgrena was released following a month in captivity in Iraq.

In a written statement, multinational officials said that at about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. soldiers opened fire on a car that was approaching a checkpoint at high speed.

U.S. troops had "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle."

However, Italian magistrate Franco Ionta said Sgrena disagreed with the military account.

"It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol that shot as soon [as] they lit us up with a spotlight. We didn't know where the bullets were coming from. We had not met other checkpoints before. Our car was absolutely not traveling at high speed," she said.

Rules of engagement permit coalition troops to use escalating levels of force if they feel threatened. They can use lethal force, for example, if a car refuses to stop for a checkpoint.

The road where the incident took place is particularly dangerous.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi summoned U.S. ambassador Mel Sembler on Friday night and demanded a full investigation, and took a telephone call from Bush, who expressed his regrets.

"This was a call to reach out to a good friend and express our regret about the incident," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, according to Reuters.

"The president assured Prime Minister Berlusconi that it would be fully investigated ... We're cooperating closely with Italian authorities."

Berlusconi is a staunch Bush supporter, backing the U.S.-led invasion and sending in the Italian troops after Saddam Hussein was toppled in 2003.

He said the two other agents in the car contacted his office after the incident and "they were in disbelief at the fatality at the end of a brilliantly concluded operation." (Full story)

Sgrena's partner, Pierre Scolari, blamed the shooting on the U.S. government, even suggesting the incident was intentional.

"I hope the Italian government does something because either this was an ambush, as I think, or we are dealing with imbeciles or terrorized kids who shoot at anyone," he said, according to Reuters.

CNN's Alessio Vinci reported that Saturday's Il Manifesto newspaper, Sgrena's employer, had accused U.S. forces of "assassinating" Calipari.

Italian vigils
Sgrena was kidnapped outside a mosque in Baghdad on February 4. Later that month, she was shown in a video pleading for her life and urging her government to work for an end to the foreign occupation of Iraq.

The tape was shown on the same day that Italy's Senate voted to extend the funding for the deployment.

Sgrena also asked Scolari to show pictures she had taken of Iraqi children being hit by cluster bombs.

Il Manifesto is a left-leaning newspaper that has long opposed the Iraq war.

Thousands of Italians took part in vigils calling for Sgrena's safe return home.

At least eight Italians have been taken hostage in Iraq. Another journalist, Enzo Baldoni, was seized in August 2004 and later killed by his captors.

Berlusconi's government at the time said it would try to secure her freedom but, as in past hostage cases, refused to withdraw Italian troops in Iraq, as hostage-takers have often demanded.

Italy has about 3,000 troops in Iraq, the fourth-largest foreign contingent after U.S., British and South Korean forces.

Despite the release of Sgrena, there was no news about French journalist Florence Aubenas, who was seized in Baghdad on January 5.

Aubenas made a desperate appeal for help in a videotape released by Iraqi insurgents Tuesday.

[sawleaf]

Yeah it's easy for you to judge when you are safe at home and not fighting in a war. This is just another press casualty, they know the risks they are taking when they choose to cover fighting in a combat zone. If you're in a hot zone where people die everyday from suicide bombers, you are not going to let a vehicle just roll up to your position. The press should've taken extra precautions. It is a shitty war, but blaming troops for trying to save their own lives is idiotic.

[F L E S H]

Sawleaf, this is the kind of shit that get's people riled up against the US. You'd figure that if a country has technology capable of lauching a missile and hitting a target the size of a pin hundreds of miles away, theycould tell the difference between an Italian hostage and an Iraqi suicide bomber. If it wasn't so tragic, it would almost be funny....

[sawleaf]

Sorry there is no technology yet that can identify the ethnicity of a moving vehicle's passengers. Press get killed all the time. We don't intentionally shoot at media. Whenever press get killed it is always an accident, just like friendly fire. What happened is very unfortunate, but I am not going to blame the troops. I am not for this damn war at all, I have good friends there. But when they are in the shit, they have to make the split second calls that could decided whether they live or die.

[nomorenarcs]

I have seen what these assholes are like on tv, kicking down doors and acting like cowboys. They remind me of the narc pigs on "cops", thinking they are heros. They shot a freed hostage, come the fuck on. A freed hostage. And they did it because they are stupid, not because they felt threatened. They shoot innocent people all the time.





This is just another press casualty, they know the risks they are taking when they choose to cover fighting in a combat zone.

Even more risks when the people involved are cowboys who think they are heros.




It is a shitty war, but blaming troops for trying to save their own lives is idiotic.

I blame the troops for being trigger happy.




Whenever press get killed it is always an accident, just like friendly fire.


How you know its ALWAYS an accident? I bet they put people from anti war newspapers in the line of fire on purpose. I dont care about the american troops lives, not one bit. The jouranlists are there to show the world what evil assholes the americans are, they are the real heros

[Nullific]

I have known quite a few people who have joined the armed forces because they wanted to go to the middle east, many of them have said these exact words "I can't wait to go shoot some towel heads". These are kids, lots of immature shit heads fresh out of high school and you put them all together and give them fire power. They get trigger happy, it happened in vietnam.

[amsterdam]

these idiots should have stopped with the warning shots.to bad.war suck's.still,it's their own fault.

[nomorenarcs]

Your military lies, all the time this is the truth americans shooting freed hostages:


However, Italian magistrate Franco Ionta said Sgrena disagreed with the military account.

"It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol that shot as soon [as] they lit us up with a spotlight. We didn't know where the bullets were coming from. We had not met other checkpoints before. Our car was absolutely not traveling at high speed," she said.

[Crow Shindle]

I have seen what these assholes are like on tv, kicking down doors and acting like cowboys. They remind me of the narc pigs on "cops", thinking they are heros. They shot a freed hostage, come the fuck on. A freed hostage. And they did it because they are stupid, not because they felt threatened. They shoot innocent people all the time.





This is just another press casualty, they know the risks they are taking when they choose to cover fighting in a combat zone.

Even more risks when the people involved are cowboys who think they are heros.




It is a shitty war, but blaming troops for trying to save their own lives is idiotic.

I blame the troops for being trigger happy.




Whenever press get killed it is always an accident, just like friendly fire.


How you know its ALWAYS an accident? I bet they put people from anti war newspapers in the line of fire on purpose. I dont care about the american troops lives, not one bit. The jouranlists are there to show the world what evil assholes the americans are, they are the real heros


Opinions are like assholes, and yours stinks

[amsterdam]

obviously nomorenarcs has no idea what they are talking about!there was warning shot's,the italian's didn't want to tell the american's that they paid the terrorist's 6 million dollar's for her release and then tried to run a road block.they got shot at.if there had been as much gunfire as the lady said she would have been turned into hamburger.do you know what an m-60 machine gun that fires 7.62 millimeter ball round's will do to a car?next time they will stop when told to do so.nothing more will come from this.it was their fault.

[F L E S H]

well, the Americans say they warned the approaching car, which was coming at high speed...

the Italians say there was no warning and they weren't driving fast...

Who to believe?

[amsterdam]

that's easy .the italians failed to tell the american's that they were giving the terrorist's 6 million dollars to free the communist paper's writer .why in god's name would anyone listen to what she say's?even if they were going 40mph ,they didnt stop!people have been killed along this road by speeding car's and ied's for a while now.

[Torog]

well, the Americans say they warned the approaching car, which was coming at high speed...

the Italians say there was no warning and they weren't driving fast...

Who to believe?
Howdy FLESH,

Well I dang sure wouldn't believe no stinkin commie ! Or a socialist,either ! I reckon that gal,was there to come up with antiwar crap,to feed to the Italian commies and left-wingers,and to cast as much of a bad light on Coalition operations..as possible.

[amsterdam]

that's for damn sure!!!!!!

[F L E S H]

Howdy FLESH,

Well I dang sure wouldn't believe no stinkin commie ! Or a socialist,either ! I reckon that gal,was there to come up with antiwar crap,to feed to the Italian commies and left-wingers,and to cast as much of a bad light on Coalition operations..as possible.
Well then, there's your reason for the soldiers to shoot her, hmmm? Thanks for proving our point :D

(I tried to stay neutral with my previous post, but Torog had to go say something like that to push me over the fence... lol)

[amsterdam]

read all the Italian newspaper's,they don't even believe her story.resign my ass.sylvio is a good man.

[amsterdam]

the story is over.accident.

[amsterdam]

i was thinking when i remembered watching the video of that lady pleading and praying for her life.a communist praying?HAHAHA,LOL

[Nullific]

So whats wrong with communism?

[Torog]

So whats wrong with communism?
Howdy Nullific,

The short answer is..everything ! No wonder y'all left-wingers are so confused about things..you don't even understand how bad communism is..is it any wonder then-that y'all can't understand that muslim jihadists are the enemy..and not 'freedom fighters',as y'all strive to paint them as..?

Do you also feel that Prof. Churchhill is right about the 9/11 victims ? That they were all just little eichmanns that deserved to die and brought their own end upon themselves ?

To git a little taste of communism,you should go to Hong Kong,the commies have taken over there..and it will never be like it was before,because now-total control is exercised by the commie chinese,despite their skillfull integration of their control apparatus with what appears to be a 'free society'..the control is absolute.

Ask the North Koreans,what's so bad about communism,but you better have alot of time on yore hands..cuz it's gonna take awhile..to describe how horrible a commie lifestyle is,when practiced under a brutal commie leader and goverment.

Have a good one...Torog

[Herbaholic00]

Comunism is a freemason ideal or so the conspiracy says .........



Engels, NOT Marx, was the father of Marxism. Templar Freemasonry did not intend for its own, especially its wealthy, to be seen as promoters of communism. The left-wing Grand Orient Masons were not developing a system for personal gain, but rather for the future Templar global government. To protect themselves from exposure, Karl Marx, "the Jew," was a fit comrade to shoulder Engels' philosophy of communism. At Engels' urging and under his tutelage, Karl Marx began to publish Engels' communist philosophy. Should there be a backlash, the Jews would be blamed - NOT FREEMASONRY.

http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/mas2.html




Peace

[amsterdam]

f--k communism!

[deadboy]

Why are so many stupid americans brainwashed about communism? Communism is system of economics, it has nothing to do with totalitarianism (sp). You can be free and communist. Capitalism is evil it promotes racism, greed, and is unsustainable. It might be ok for you right now, but in 200 years people will be suffering becasue 21st century people think its their birthright to consume every resource on earth. Capitalism is not forward thinking, its like speeding 100 mph at a brick wall and refusing to slow down or even acknowledge that the end is coming. When something is good for the economy, its almost always bad for humanity

[amsterdam]

Why are so many stupid americans brainwashed about communism? Communism is system of economics, it has nothing to do with totalitarianism (sp). You can be free and communist. Capitalism is evil it promotes racism, greed, and is unsustainable. It might be ok for you right now, but in 200 years people will be suffering becasue 21st century people think its their birthright to consume every resource on earth. Capitalism is not forward thinking, its like speeding 100 mph at a brick wall and refusing to slow down or even acknowledge that the end is coming. When something is good for the economy, its almost always bad for humanity


well thank you for all that captain obvious!!hey,were really doing sooooo bad right now!hater

[amsterdam]

communism=A system of government in wich the state plans and controls the economy and a single,often authoritarian party holds power ,claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in wich all goods are equally shared by the people.

[deadboy]

"well thank you for all that captain obvious!!hey,were really doing sooooo bad right now!hater"


I cant understand anything you say, or any point you try to make.

[amsterdam]

not much of a suprise :confused:

[Nullific]

The short answer is..everything ! No wonder y'all left-wingers are so confused about things..you don't even understand how bad communism is..is it any wonder then-that y'all can't understand that muslim jihadists are the enemy..and not 'freedom fighters',as y'all strive to paint them as..?
Except nobody ever said I was a 'left-winger'.

Do you also feel that Prof. Churchhill is right about the 9/11 victims ? That they were all just little eichmanns that deserved to die and brought their own end upon themselves ?
Why yes of course.

To git a little taste of communism,you should go to Hong Kong,the commies have taken over there..and it will never be like it was before,because now-total control is exercised by the commie chinese,despite their skillfull integration of their control apparatus with what appears to be a 'free society'..the control is absolute.
Ask the North Koreans,what's so bad about communism,but you better have alot of time on yore hands..cuz it's gonna take awhile..to describe how horrible a commie lifestyle is,when practiced under a brutal commie leader and goverment.
Thats all good and well, except communism in china and soviet communism wasn't exactly what Marx (or Engels) had in mind.
Thank you Herbaholic

[amsterdam]

what do you believe in?just curious.you have lot's of good points.i just want to know if you could have any kind govt. what would it be?

[Nullific]

No government.
But that wouldn't seem to work well, all governments seem to have flaws. I do not completely believe in anything at all because I don't know everything and the world seems too paradoxical, maybe i'll make up my mind after completing several history and psychology courses...or maybe it will just give me too much more to think about.
There is a flaw in every government, the flaw is in the people. Communism as an ideology calls for no social classes, in order for this to happen the workers or lower class would have to rise up. Many communist parties were self proclaimed and probably only used as a tactic to gain support from the large low class. The people need to be on lookout for things like this at all times with any political parties or systems of government, of course it wont be made obvious that you're going to get screwed and leaders will be very careful to cover their true intentions.
In governments already established as soveirgn democracies or republics for the people it is especially important to watch and question your leaders actions even if they seem perfectly reasonable. In these cases the people may seem to believe they are already 'free' and that the government either cannot or would not attempt to take their rights away. Of course rights would not be taken away all at once, but slowly and creating the least public outcry possible. It is very important for citizens to flex their rights, like denying a law enforcement official permission to search your property even if you had nothing to hide. The Patriot Act for example to some may not seem like a big deal, oh so they can view your medical, credit card and library book check out history...its all in the name of homeland security right? Governments and leaders create enemies all the time to make the people feel threatened, even if there appears to be basis for suspecting something as a threat (ie; terrorists) you must be very careful as things like this have happened in the past many times before and to the people of those times the threat probably felt perfectly reasonable as well.
The media of course is a major problem, especially in todays modern society with emerging technologies. Mainstream media is there for profit and to distract you. You cannot deny that most of the movies and music of the past decade was absolute shit though people are still flocking to see or hear and hand away their money to the latest mainstream crazy. Because things like this are so popular they can of course be used to the advantage of government to spread mis or one-sided information, half truths, exaggerations and other propaganda. A great example of this is the anti-drug movement. (I'll get into drugs a bit later in the rant) Like how the government used the media in the early 1900s to spread lies about 'marijuana', a term never used in america before that date and unknown to refer to the same plant, hemp, that had been used for centuries in medicine and had many other important uses. This was all for corporate gain but made to look like it was spreading awareness and protecting people against this evil drug that made african americans insulant and turned people into axe murders. It seems pretty outrageous and hilarious how people ever could have believed that back then, and future generations will look back at what we believed and get a good laugh too, unless we are careful and learn not to make the same mistakes people did in the past.
The media also likes to make up or exacerbate issues that in reality nobody should care about. Examples are Clintons affair, jennifer lopez and whats his face, martha stewart and micheal jacksons legal issues, war on drugs, homosexuality ect.
Often it will jump around; terrorists (anyone could be one!), osama bin laden, sadam hussein (though they only met once and hated each other), weapons of mass destruction (who ever hears about those anymore), north korea, the idea that need to spread democracy with war... Generally these are made to be big issues, played out, fade and are never heard of again. Then of course you have the occasional really important and informative news stories (they have to look good somehow) or stories that are only touched upon a little if at all or made to look like something it is not.
If it isn't in the mainstream news most people will likely discredit it, and of course they have every right to since maybe those sources are unreliable as well. The mystery around the 2000 election is a good example, in this case we had thousands of african americans who should have been able to vote but were turned away and instead the media goes on about 'chads' and recounting votes. Who knows what to believe since the mainstream never really went into that, and all the small or independent sources are discredited.
Im going to move on now to what many people want to know and others don't seem to believe; Why would any government lie, revoke the peoples liberties or do anything negative?
Timothy Leary said it well:

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are or where we are going in this ocean of chaos it has been the authorites; the political, the religious, the educational authorites who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations. Informing, forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness, chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself.
As children most people are taught authorities are necessary, police are good people and will help you whenever you're in trouble. No. Religion and government are there for control or more importantly for money.
Organized religion I see as especially devastating to society as many of them promote intolerence, though many claim they give people a sense of 'moral' values and other such bullshit. People can believe what they want of course, but look at the past.
Organized religion was probably evident way back to the first 'civilizations' created to help people explain what they did not know and essentially control them. Religions way back are not practiced today, in fact many look back at roman, egyptian, sumerian mythology and get a good laugh at it. No matter how popular a religion gets it will fall and be replaced in the future, this may take thousands of years but it will happen eventually rendering whatever past beliefs there were useless and pretty much a big joke. Look on current religious and notice many parts were simply stolen from the religions before it. There is actually evidence to suggest such religions are brain diseases: www.christianitymeme.org
Though I may be against religion I am in no way against spritual beliefs, I just believe these should come individually rather than a work of fiction that is forced into your mind as fact at a young age.
There are many ways to open your mind, drugs I believe are very important for this and were put here to help us, not hurt us. If you want to use a drug to gain insight it would be best not to do it in a recreational setting however. There are other methods that help clear your mind such as meditation, yoga, martial arts, dance, fasting etc.
Maybe the man outlaws drugs from this exact reason, except tobacco which they can profit it on and alcohol which can stupify you.
With this I have come to the conclusion that authorities may actually be causing more problems than they solve. Certain victimless acts such as drug use and gambling are much less of a threat to society legal then illegal. With that it is important educational authorites reform constantly to teach responsibility and maturity.
Technology is great, until it is used to harm or kill. It makes people lazy and is often used inefficiently. Technology should instead be used to prevent disputes between persons or groups and to protect the environment. Burning fossil fuels is devastating to the environment, but of course it is profitable to governments will act dependent on it. Truth is that fossil fuels can be easily replaced with vegetable and hemp oil, hydrogen, nuclear energy (pending research into waste disposal) and natural sources like wind, solar, waves ect.
I also believe that instead of raping the earth so much and destroying forests and the ocean humans could instead move into barren lands such as deserts. Little grows in these areas to harm in the first place and with todays technology it would be possible to build modern desert communities powered by hydrogen (which would also supply them with water) and hemp oil. Besides, desert tripping would be fun. This would also give people the option to move away and reside in the forest being nearly self sufficient. First things first, stop having children this planet does not need anymore humans.
Sorry if this seems incomprehendible or jumpy...one idea sort of leads to the next you know. Feel free to post questions, comments, criticism, call me insane whatever.

[F L E S H]

Nullific, you might be a little insane, but I'll be damned if I don't agree with everything you say :D

[amsterdam]

that was deep!how old are you?

[Nullific]

Not old enough. Sixteen, so i'll have plenty more time to revise my thoughts when I gain more insight.

[Torog]

Not old enough. Sixteen, so i'll have plenty more time to revise my thoughts when I gain more insight.
Howdy Nullific,

Boy howdy..I think that them thar America hating ,far-left, lunatic fringe of Boston liberals,have got you all screwed up !

You don't know whether you're coming or going..you don't know what to believe,but your ears are being filled with the propaganda of your liberal Massachusett's teachers..pretty sad that you're being taught to hate America,and believe that communism is okay and never hurt anyone..BULLSH*T !!

It's because of the liberal's antipathy towards national security,that the Patriot Act,needed to be passed..so that LEO's could un-tie their hands,that had been tied by liberals who despise this country. Hitlery and Bill Klintoon,were and are ,responsible for preventing intra-agency cooperation and effective prosecution of threats to national security. Both are cozy with muslim jihadist organizations and muslim fundraisers,as well as being cozy with the red chinese.

I can only imagine,that your teachers have torn down the values and principals,that make America the greatest nation on Earth. I'm almost certain,that they have taught you that guns should be banned,that there should be an abortion clinic on every street-corner,that all religion is bad,but most especially-Christianity..that the muslim jihadists are really freedom fighters and that America is a terrorist nation,that has never done any good..-ever.

[amsterdam]

i used to think that way when i was a child.then i grew up and started reading books.i didnt believe in god,i thought the govt. was out to get me,etc etc.then i spent two years traveling around the world.when i got home i knew for sure that America was the greatest nation on the face of the earth plain and simple.if you can have a web-site like this and let people say the things that some say,you know u are free.you cant do that everywhere.i saw people whipped in the streets in saudi arabia because they were holding hands.i saw posters of suicide bombers in gaza.it is real easy to sit in your home in boston,or oregon,or california,on your computer and scream and cry about what you dont like about this country.thats why soldiera have died and continue to die.freedom.i would say 85% of the people i read on these posts have never seen true evil except on the history channel or in books.they have NEVER been to saudi arabia,morrroco,palestine,.well i have and i am thankfull i live in america.even to all the people that talk a good game about dreaming about living in amsterdam.i did live in amsterdam.i did live there and travel there twice a year.i am still happy when i get home.

[Torog]

i used to think that way when i was a child.then i grew up and started reading books.i didnt believe in god,i thought the govt. was out to get me,etc etc.then i spent two years traveling around the world.when i got home i knew for sure that America was the greatest nation on the face of the earth plain and simple.if you can have a web-site like this and let people say the things that some say,you know u are free.you cant do that everywhere.i saw people whipped in the streets in saudi arabia because they were holding hands.i saw posters of suicide bombers in gaza.it is real easy to sit in your home in boston,or oregon,or california,on your computer and scream and cry about what you dont like about this country.thats why soldiera have died and continue to die.freedom.i would say 85% of the people i read on these posts have never seen true evil except on the history channel or in books.they have NEVER been to saudi arabia,morrroco,palestine,.well i have and i am thankfull i live in america.even to all the people that talk a good game about dreaming about living in amsterdam.i did live in amsterdam.i did live there and travel there twice a year.i am still happy when i get home.
Howdy amsterdam,

God bless ya man,you're absolutely right..I lived in Saudi,drilling water wells..and I tell you what-I don't want to ever go back again ! It taught me that America is the greatest nation in the world..and I will always feel blessed to be an American citizen. Life was miserable,scary and dangerous ,in Saudi,especially because all of us roughnecks,were conservative Southern,Christians..and we were under constant surveillance,by Saudi cops,Saudi intel,and so-called 'holy men'. We couldn't even say Grace at any meals in public,and were advised to keep our mouths shut and not talk to anyone. Most of these folks here,don't understand just how tribal and backward,many arabs are in Saudi and elsewhere. Saudi men,of this type,place almost as much importance on their goats and camels,as they do on their wives and daughters,if not more so. One family,living next to us,moved,because they caught one of our guys looking at one of their daughters..we were lucky that the 'holy men',didn't descend on us,like stink on crap..lol.

Have a good one ! :D

[amsterdam]

the fact remains that most of the people(not all)on this post are children.they are at a time in their life when it is cool to be a so-called "rebel".i was just like that when i was 16 and seventeen years old,exectly like that.all it took was two years of die hard traveling to the places that they only read about or see in moore movies that i saw the truth.oh well,it's a good laugh reading what some of these folks write from there suburbia homes,VERY funny!

[Nullific]

Boy howdy..I think that them thar America hating ,far-left, lunatic fringe of Boston liberals,have got you all screwed up !

You don't know whether you're coming or going..you don't know what to believe,but your ears are being filled with the propaganda of your liberal Massachusett's teachers..pretty sad that you're being taught to hate America,and believe that communism is okay and never hurt anyone..BULLSH*T !!

It's because of the liberal's antipathy towards national security,that the Patriot Act,needed to be passed..so that LEO's could un-tie their hands,that had been tied by liberals who despise this country. Hitlery and Bill Klintoon,were and are ,responsible for preventing intra-agency cooperation and effective prosecution of threats to national security. Both are cozy with muslim jihadist organizations and muslim fundraisers,as well as being cozy with the red chinese.

I can only imagine,that your teachers have torn down the values and principals,that make America the greatest nation on Earth. I'm almost certain,that they have taught you that guns should be banned,that there should be an abortion clinic on every street-corner,that all religion is bad,but most especially-Christianity..that the muslim jihadists are really freedom fighters and that America is a terrorist nation,that has never done any good..-ever.
Actually, you don't know a damn thing about my life, my parents, my teachers or anyone else in massachusetts for that matter that I interact with.
If you'd like to refute what I say instead of giving personal attacks go ahead. I could turn right around and say that you and you're bastard conservative teachers fed you propadanda. I never said I was a liberal. I have disagreed with nearly everything most of my teachers have told me, I don't trust them ever since I found out they lied to me about drugs.
So with all due respect, go fuck yourself. You don't know me, don't call me liberal, don't stereotype people from Boston just becase statics show the North is more educated than "ya'll". In fact, Boston has a high population of Catholics, I grew up in a Catholic family. We've got plenty off assholes around here who want to take women and homosexual rights away too.
Of all I wrote in my post virtually none of it came from my teachers, my elementary and middleschool teachers were dick heads. I came to the conclusion that religion was bad on my own, thank you very much. If you have nothing more but personal and stereotypical attacks then with all due respect you can go fuck yourself.

[Nullific]

the fact remains that most of the people(not all)on this post are children.they are at a time in their life when it is cool to be a so-called "rebel".i was just like that when i was 16 and seventeen years old,exectly like that.all it took was two years of die hard traveling to the places that they only read about or see in moore movies that i saw the truth.
Not exactly. I don't rebel at all really. Don't drink or smoke tobacco or skip classes excessively or get in much trouble. Im not one of those vegan assholes, PETA pisses me off. I just happen to be 16 and like drugs, and I think Micheal Moore is kind of an asshole himself.
I do not support gun bans, I have handled firmarms before and enjoyed it. I believe guns, like drugs, can be used irresponsibly and the root of most violence in the nation comes from the black market caused by drug prohibition.
Sorry for telling you to go fuck yourself twice in my last post...you really only have to do it once.

[amsterdam]

you have great colleges there!but your education system is no better than anyone else's.i like what you have to say alot of the time but it kinda seems that since you dont listen to your teachers you must be getting your info from those stupid we-sites you always quote.dont talk about peoples propaganda when thats all the sites you ever quote .i looked at most of them and they are for crack pots.as a matter of fact.i know you wont believe me but give yourself a few years and you will think all that stuff is ridiculous.go to those countries you try to defend.dont just preach about them go to them and see for yourself.not what some wierd web-site tells you.i thought just like you until i went to the middle east and eastern europe.then i saw the truth..im not hating ya but get real

[Nullific]

Which websites? I don't believe i've quoted prisonplanet or infowars before...
It you would like I could probably find relating articles on CNN or some other mainstream news sources...it would just take looking a little deeper.
Then again, the mainstream media I don't consider very reliable either. Then again you can't judge a source soley by the way it 'looks' in terms of a website, many of these sites get their articles from other sources to begin with and using google i am sure you can look into the news agency or author of the article closer.
I have also read some of what Micheal Moore, Ann Coulter and Micheal Savage have to say as well as articles from the Disinformation books series, Jeffrey Mirons Drug War Crimes and The Emperor Wears No Clothes, have watched Bush's speaches and seen such video documentaries as Fahrenheit 9/11 (which I don't dote on very much) and USA Patriot Act: The Cost of Freedom which was a very low budget hour long documentary containing clips of Bush speaking and gives analyses of them. http://www.duncanentertainment.com/movie_cof.php
Since the film had such a low budget and the makers probably did not profit from it I credit it more than mainstream documentaries such as Fahrenheit 9/11 in which the makers did have incentive to profit, and profit is what they got.

[amsterdam]

well its good that a young guy checks out both sides anyway.as a republican i will say savage is crazy as hell but fun to listen to on the patriot.i like coulter alot!i loved her last book "how to talk to a liberal"

[Nullific]

Part of the problem is the conforming to one of two mainstream political parties, so that in most peoples minds there are only two-sides to each issue or one of two opinions you can choose to believe. We need to encourage support for third parties.

[pisshead]

you wouldn't have even known the libertarian party existed if you relied solely on fox or cnn or msnbc or cnbc or cnn headline news for information...you would if you watched c-span though. i don't think i heard badnarik's name said at all during the whole presidential side-show.

he was even arrested trying to attend a debate. how dare him try to talk to the skull and bones cousins! he'd rip them both to shreds.

people are in this false left/right paradigm which totally limits their ability to see the entire system is corrupt. the left bitches about the right and the right does the same, while both 'parties' use that to their advantage and take more and more and more control, and more funding after every attack. it's pretty classical.

two roads leading to the same destination.

[Nullific]

Oh, I forgot to add, Torog...
My teachers did teach me about 'communism', from a negative perspective, they didn't teach what it was meant to be about...only what happened as a result of some people with ulterior motives. I never said I supported communism by the way, only posted about its misconceptions. Of course you never even bothered to comment on that, but jumped to attacking me and fellow massholes personally.

[juggalo420]

God bless ya man,you're absolutely right..I lived in Saudi,drilling <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=23&k=water%20wells" onmouseover="window.status='water wells'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">water wells</a>..and I tell you what-I don't want to ever go back again ! It taught me that America is the greatest nation in the world..and I will always feel blessed to be an American citizen. Life was miserable,scary and dangerous ,in Saudi,especially because all of us roughnecks,were conservative Southern,Christians..and we were under constant surveillance,by Saudi cops,Saudi intel,and so-called 'holy men'. We couldn't even say Grace at any meals in public,and were advised to keep our mouths shut and not talk to anyone. Most of these folks here,don't understand just how tribal and backward,many arabs are in Saudi and elsewhere. Saudi men,of this type,place almost as much importance on their goats and camels,as they do on their wives and daughters,if not more so. One family,living next to us,moved,because they caught one of our guys looking at one of their daughters..we were lucky that the 'holy men',didn't descend on us,like stink on crap..lol.

Have a good one ! :D
and those holy men are in which way different from the christian fundamentalists in this country.

you have so much in common with those saudi musslims it isnt even funny.
1. both believe they stand alone as rightous and everyone else is infidels.
2. both hate and discriminate against homosexuals.
3. love for capital punishment
4. believe in one god
5. belief women are inferior (christian extremists are just less open about it)
6. gods choosen people
7. dont like science, rather believe i fairy tales than accept evolution.
8. belief fetus=humans
9. belief the country should promote your faith
10. you demonize anyone who disagrees with your beliefs

[NowhereMan]

and those holy men are in which way different from the christian fundamentalists in this country.

you have so much in common with those saudi musslims it isnt even funny.
1. both believe they stand alone as rightous and everyone else is infidels.
2. both hate and discriminate against homosexuals.
3. love for capital punishment
4. believe in one god
5. belief women are inferior (christian extremists are just less open about it)
6. gods choosen people
7. dont like science, rather believe i fairy tales than accept evolution.
8. belief fetus=humans
9. belief the country should promote your faith
10. you demonize anyone who disagrees with your beliefs


i had to ask >8. belief fetus=humans <
wtf does that mean?

believing that a fetus is a human being?

if your dont think a fetus is human
something wrong with your thinking
if a baby aint human what the hell is it,?
it aint no animal heart beating and growing and gonna be a person with a name and a life,which it had from the moment of conception life starts a tiny lil thing and its helpless.

oh yea nullific man u made me luagh and im glad you have any interest in anything to do with how the world is most 16 yr olds are blind to the rest of the worlds delima.
even if i dont agree with you on alot i can say this
i respect that you give a flying fuck about something
peace

[juggalo420]

^i was refering to fetus's not being fully develeoped person and therefor dont have the same rights as one, they can be aborted up till a certain point in time, im sure u knew what i meant though in the first place.

[Torog]

Oh, I forgot to add, Torog...
My teachers did teach me about 'communism', from a negative perspective, they didn't teach what it was meant to be about...only what happened as a result of some people with ulterior motives. I never said I supported communism by the way, only posted about its misconceptions. Of course you never even bothered to comment on that, but jumped to attacking me and fellow massholes personally.
Howdy Nullific,

You know what ? I think I do owe you an apology,I apologize for pigeon-holing you and your fellow 'massholes'.

I am curious though,do your teachers despise Bush ? Do they feel the war in Iraq,is wrong ? Do they believe that the war on terror is wrong ? Do they talk about their political feelings and opinions,in front of the class ? Have you been asked to write an essay on why the war on terror is wrong ? Do you believe that military recruiters shouldn't be allowed on campus ? Do you think that guns should be banned ? Have they encouraged you,in your sex ed class,to engage in oral sex,masturbation and fisting ? Is abortion viewed as a ready means of birth-control ? Sorry for all the questions,but it would be helpful in determining just how liberal your enviroment is there.

Have a good one...

[NowhereMan]

^i was refering to fetus's not being fully develeoped person and therefor dont have the same rights as one, they can be aborted up till a certain point in time, im sure u knew what i meant though in the first place.

and im sure
your sure wrong about thinking what i Know and dont know !
i ask plain and direct
do you think a fetus is human ?
yes or no?

i for one cant tell what you imply
peace

[Nullific]

I am curious though,do your teachers despise Bush ? Do they feel the war in Iraq,is wrong ? Do they believe that the war on terror is wrong ? Do they talk about their political feelings and opinions,in front of the class ? Have you been asked to write an essay on why the war on terror is wrong ? Do you believe that military recruiters shouldn't be allowed on campus ? Do you think that guns should be banned ? Have they encouraged you,in your sex ed class,to engage in oral sex,masturbation and fisting ? Is abortion viewed as a ready means of birth-control ? Sorry for all the questions,but it would be helpful in determining just how liberal your enviroment is there.
My teachers don't get into politics unless it relates to the subject matter they are teaching. My current history teacher does his best to teach from multiple viewpoints, often using sources other than what is found in our text book. The only essays I write are literary analysis papers and essays relating to the subjects we learn about ie: factors of world war I. In these cases they never tell us which perspective to write in. Last year in my history class we did have to write an essay on what we thought of homosexual marraige since it was an issue the state was deciding on.
My school has an ROTC program (Air Force) and military recruiters are there frequently, just this week for example. I have a friend in the Marines who did recruiting at the school and in the area as well.
As I said in my previous post I believe guns, like drugs can be used irresponsibly but this is not reason enough to ban them. They are here and they are hear to stay, taking guns from innocents only leaves them in the hands of criminals.
The sex education program for sophmores (i am a junior) was meant to teach us that there is no such thing as safe sex, but rather went into methods of safer sex using contraceptives. My school does not give away condoms at the health center, I doubt many students would use them anyways.
Abortion was never taught as a 'birth control' method, they teach about plenty of other methods which if used properly would not result in a pregancy and thus no abortion would be necessary.