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Puffzter

07-14-2008, 05:12 PM

I did extensive research during a month before I started concerning almost all aspects of this.
Everything from medium to light, nutes, photosynthesis etc etc. I haven't taken anything as a fact until I have seen it from different sources that dont have the same origin.

My light is on 24h/day.
I have seen a few reports here about 20/4 being more effective but they all come from the same guy that did empiric research in the area.
I have found many other as well researched reports stating 24h/day as better so I went with that for this first grow.
However:
I am using a veg light of 125W LE. I also have a 600W flower light that I am contemplating to use for vegg as even though only 30% of that light is effective for Vegg it is still more than the 80% of the spectra that is effective for veg from the LE light. Any opinions in thios matter guys?

As for my pots they are 1.8 gallon pots and I use coco so dont need the vcolume you do when growing in dirt, however I will contemplate replanting into 3 gallon pots at a later point in time, maybe.

All information about day to day grow is in the excel sheet in my first post and it will show up in my posts now and then updated during this grow.
I have updated my sheet with conversions between US and metric systems so next time I post an update the information to do these conversions will be in the sheet.

Everything from watering, nutes, light, temp, humidity and specific plant day-to-day information are in those sheets. Personally I add this information every single day but I will only post a new file every 4-7 days or so so I don't flood you with posts and links.

:)

Puffzter.

painretreat

07-14-2008, 05:43 PM

Thanks, enjoy the info! Perhaps you should do some 'flooding' of posts to get your subscription site on to get more viewing! So far, any posts have been very informative. I read one grow that is over 150 posts (by all) and still going! If it is interesting and informative, it doesn't matter. REgardless of length, you cannot stop reading and viewing! Good luck and will be watching!:thumbsup:

hudson88

07-14-2008, 05:46 PM

Wow puffzter, i'm really impressed with the amount of hard work you've put into research, your setup looks wicked and the records you're keeping in the excel file are gonna be really handy (i'll have to install excel on my laptop so i can view it lol)

Good luck, tho i don't think you'll need it ;)

Puffzter

07-14-2008, 06:03 PM

Oh I have done research and collected tons of knowledge from it in theory.
I do however need to translate that into a practical "feel" for growing and learn to see tendancies and read signs.
That will natrually be easier with the teoretical knowledge as a base.
I hope it will turn out well but I have no illusions it will be problemfree. hehe

Puffzter

Puffzter

07-14-2008, 06:53 PM

With some extra calculations done it seems my 600W HPS is many times more effective than my 125W LE veg light.

In the blue spectra I get aprox a 100% gain from pure wattage. But in the rest (and yes plants even in Veg use a lot of light outside the blue as well) the gain is about 8-10 times.

So, in no spectras is the gain less than 100% and in the rest the gain can be multiplied many times.
Only loss is that I have to run 600W instead of 125W 24 hours a day which is a bit more expensive but electricity is quite cheap in sweden anyway. Grow grow plants.
I'll take my cooltube apart later tonight or tomorrow and get the sun for my plants tuned up a bit hehe.

Puffzter

jakezking

07-14-2008, 10:07 PM

Puffzter, I am already a fan of your log. I'm looking at setting up an indoor system at some point, so I'm interested in not only the growth of your plants, but the setup as well - much like painretreat, I'd like to set up an indoor grow 1 time (mainly because I'm lazy and won't want to continually mess with it).

Your detailed note taking will come in handy, no doubt. As for the lighting issue, I've seen a lot of people use MH for vegetative stage. Does your cooltube support a MH conversion bulb? I have much research to do on lighting before I decide on anything.

Good luck, and thanks for starting up your log - I will be following along!

Puffzter

07-14-2008, 10:55 PM

Thanks for the support.
About MH conversion I don't know. It was always gonna be HPS for flower and then I stumbled over this LE in the grow shop that was plug-n-play with my cooltube so I got it to try out.

Now after some further research it seems HPS is better all the way so I will change. However, if I had a 250 LE it would be doubtful if it had been worth to change.
A MH would be good for sure but then again I could just as well go with HPS. A HPS gives as much light (and more) so the only reason for MH over HPS in my book would be if you could save money by using them and I just cant see that as they need high wattage to perform just as a HPS.
So for me it is either a high performance LE for vegg or HPS all the way.

About my excel sheet:
Does it hold all information you guys would like on a day to day basis or should I add something?
This is my first grow and I want a diary I can work with for many growths so before this is over I want a template that is close to complete and that dont need any major changes so I can collect and compare data from earlier grows in an easy way.

I was thinking about saving each grow in a folder with a completed excel sheet and all pictures (dated to show progress in different stages).
After a while these folders might be valuable to find out if something new I try out is good or bad compared to what I have done before. Made accessible to the community as large they also might make life easier for first time growers in the future, as I am now.
I don't know, I guess I just like numbers and organizing stuff. :P

Puffzter

ps, I also love writing a lot, snap me on my noose if it becomes too much guys

hudson88

07-14-2008, 11:27 PM

Haha, don't worry about writing too much, i do the same at times, especially when i've been smoking :)

Yeah the data you're gonna be collecting will be invaluable i'm sure, especially in the learning process, it seems a lot of the more experienced growers do it with feel that they've developed over years and for some of us noobs it's kinda hard to get into at first and while there'll be a lot of variables, strain, temps etc it should provide a good guidline for others and give you a quick and easy reference as to what works and what doesn't, i reckon your stats are gonna help a lot of people :thumbsup:

Now i just need to find my excel cd so i can install it and have a look at your spreadsheet :stoned:

Puffzter

07-14-2008, 11:45 PM

Yeah that "feel" I wanna develop as well. Still would continiue to collect hard data though.

I lost a link by the way. Its from that experiment that dude made aboyt different photo periods during vegetative growth.
He tried all from 16/8 to 24/0 and had reports on what the plants yielded in the end.
Anyone seen it and know where I can find it again? I will go 24/0 no matter what but I have a few friends I promised to show it and I totally lost it and forgot where I found it to begin with. Read so much the last month, lol

McDanger

07-14-2008, 11:52 PM

As soon as I read about your spreadsheet I thought (I wonder if that will be available as a template?)the sooner the better I say. Thank you for all the research you have put into it.
Good luck

Puffzter

07-15-2008, 12:11 AM

It is a crude sheet man.
Just erase my data and put in your own. Make it better or do with it as you please.
I made it for my own use but thought that while I was making a grow diary it would be an easy way for me to help present my project in an easy to follow and instructive way.

Once my grow is in it's late stages I do hope I have it customized for my future needs so I have a template to use over and over.
From then on I am planning to compress and upload complete folders after every grow with spread sheet and pictures for anyone to download.
However be aware to take my data as a guideline on how to grow, I am a beginner you know. ;)

Puffzter

07-15-2008, 01:48 AM

Plant 1, 3 and 5 showed early stages of nute burn tonight so all five got a good flush and I will redo my feeding watering schedule a bit for a while as a result of this.

Tip of 1 leave on one plant and two leave on 2 plants showed this sign.

I will change to feeding every other time to 15% runoff and every other time with pure water with little or none runoff.
This will according to my plan slowly build up nute levels in the coco again until I see the plants are fine and can go up to 2 times feed and 1 time water on their way to a full fed schedule again.
I will keep nutes on 40% of recommendations though.
Coco contains no nutrients in itself so it is a fast medium to correct mistaces in and I am not at all worried, just a hazzle to have to flush.

Anyway, info is recorded and next time I will have a better understanding on how to start nute build up in the early stages of the grow.

Puffzter

Puffzter

07-15-2008, 10:53 PM

So it was a hectic day with a lot of time and work spent on my grow.

After the flush last night I have slowly built up nute levels in the coco again.
I also changed from 125W LE to a 600W HPS and by god the sun is shining in my tent now. The problem is that I had to put on the active ventillation to keep temperatures on a decent level now and since the plants are so small they don't give off enough moisture to the air yet to uphold the climate. Humidity went down as a stone and I constantly need to add more by dusting the air.
Gonna pick up a humidifier in a couple of days I think.
For the rest I hope all is under control now but until I know for sure all is fine I keep an hour by hour watch on them.

Peace out.

Puffzter

DrSpoof

07-15-2008, 11:54 PM

stumbled in here from your post on my log...

lovin the setup man, nice choice on the tent ;) here's hoping your girls grow to be nice and tall :bonghit:

DrSpiggity

danish

07-16-2008, 07:16 AM

Puff: This is why i assume alot of people say grow with soil and learn, soil react a bit slower then other mediums therefor having a good soilmix will make it easier till you learn.

It sounds like you have a realy good thing going on though so GL and im hoping the best for your grow.

sidenote: jevla hinsidas, i danmark e ström sååå kostigt...

Anyways just look at the plants feel the plants and their sorta telling what they need ( i learned from outside pot grows and inside/outside regular plant grows and then i research/ask questions in here and other forums.

Where did you get the tent cause i just have a room for it but that tent looks SWEET! keep it up

Puffzter

07-16-2008, 12:44 PM

DrSpoof: Thanks for coming by and for wishing me good luck <3

Well Danish I am at home around the clock almost always so fast reaction is no problem in itself for me.
Soil does have a buffert effect and do react slower but that also goes the other way around. Once you have gone so far as to see you mistace it takes some time to reverse it and get balance back.
I don't know whats correct. On the Swedish grow forums I'd say probably about 50% or more start with handwatered coco these days because of the relative simplicity and the good prospect of big yield.
Soil is some dirty, heavy shit as well to have indoors and since I am in wheelchair since a few years I don't want a lot of heavy stuff to drag in here. I alone know about my grow.
I can stand up if I hold on or lean against something so Imagine the exhaustion and difficulty in setting up the tent and ventilation in there. lol lol
It took me 2-3 hours to get just the tent up.
The ventillation was a bit easier. Vent house is hanging with wooden stick in a very secure way. All I needed to do once I came up with the idea was to lift the house up, put in the stick and let go. Biggest problem was the charcoal filtre that is quite heavy and has to be put in place by lifting it, holding it still and strapping it in place.
Some rewarding but hard work for me indeed. :D

I went over to 20/4 last night after all. My plants looks exhausted from the last days of problems and I can't say exactly why, I just feel that they want a few hours a day without the pressure to perform in the light. They did indeed look better after 4 hours of dark so this will be their light/dark cycle from now on. I understand that there are risks involved with changing daylight cycle for a plant like this but this early in their lives they will adapt I am sure. Not like I'm gonna make a hermie out of a seedling. hehe

Puffzter

Puffzter

07-18-2008, 01:14 AM

Damn damn damn damn.

My problems are because of the grow tent. Hydro Hut.
There is an issue with poison being emitted by the canvas o_O
Plant show signs of bot nitricient deficiancy and over nuting at the same time. Burned tips, and yellowing leaves to the virge of becoming white, slowed or stoped growth as well. Moved out they recover fast if not pushed to far in the tent.
Hydro Huts manufacturer in China used some chemical that emitt some gas when under strong light and/or heat, that's why they are looking better after darkperiod every morning and then deterioate even further the next day.
Good game. I will try to sort this shit fast as hell because I need a tent where I am living to be able to grow. It has to be sorted fast as well since I dont wanna start over by buying new seeds and start from scratch again. Shit shit shit shit!!!!!!!

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Hydrohuts killing plants... it's finally over (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81061)

Problem is I am not in the states but in EU and here I am at the whim of my growshop. I really hope this guy will fix it without problems and delays.

I'll be back with more information asap.

Puffzter

Puffzter

07-18-2008, 10:01 PM

Ok, so here's the deal.

Plants were obviosly dieing. Took two out of the tent as a control group yesterday in the early AMs and they were almost ok today except for the dead "tissue". Greeening up and looking up from the down calwing. I then pulled the other plants out as well since they were actually turning white as a piece of paper at some parts. Now that is some sick shit.
The ones that got better I put back in the tent under close observation and already 6-8 hours later they were dieing again.
Pulled all out, tore the tent down.
Picked up a Secret Jardin Dark Room 100*100*200 (cm) pro tent. Pricey but very pro shit. Mylar coated on all surfaces on the inside and very sturdy frame. On top of that they are very versitile with many different ways to direct the airflow in and out of them.
Picture below is taken 1-2h after the tent was up and running with the plants in them.
*** LOOK AT BACK RIGHT AND FRONT RIGHT PLANT***
Rear one was one of the plants out of the tent for a 20 hours or so it looked like the front right almost before that. The front right was going white as a fresh piece of printer paper. Same with some of the others.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0394.jpg

Since then they have taken close to an Inch jump in half a day and are starting to look up again. Bare in mind that all the way through they have been fed the same nutes from my reservoir of mixed nutes I did a week back (40 litres reservoir).
I have made no changes. Temp, humidity is the same and everything. Fuck that tent!
Anyway I have faith in my plants again and we'll see what the coming days have to offer.

Secret Jardin Dark Room in walk-in closet
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0380.jpg

New link to my data sheet diary for the grow with information all the way through this shit 'til now.

Free file hosting by Savefile.com (http://www.savefile.com/files/1675403)

That's all for now.

Puffzter

hudson88

07-19-2008, 12:05 AM

Hey glad to hear your plants are getting better, thats some strange shit with the hydro hut. I've got a secret jardin too, only the cheap street version but it does the job.

Good luck getting back on track and growing them little uns into monsters! :D

Puffzter

07-19-2008, 12:22 AM

Thanks.
Seems like they are trying to make up for lost time right now. DAMN! Almost an inch in a day, leave popping out all over the place and humidity up 10%. They are drinking mad for being so small but ye until this afternoon they barely drank at all.
I am sure all is fine now. :D

Puffzter

07-22-2008, 12:36 PM

Things are still well now. Plant bounced back beautifully and I just seem to have lost about a week and a few leaves in the end. Than god for these communities that made me aware of possible tent poisoning and fuck companies that don't test their products.

Well, my plants are developing their 3rd and 4th set of real leaves now and I am starting to look to the future again. I will not scrog these. And actually I dont think I will even snip tops on them as I need clones (this is my first grow) I don't want to interrupt them any more than needed.
What do you think about just letting them grow as they please?
5 WW on 1 square meter.
Good things with this and bad?

I will post more pictures soon and an updated grow diary as well. Anyone had a look at the diaries yet?
Do you think I should alter it in any way or is the information enough for me to use in future grows and for you to follow what I am doing?

Cheers
Puffzter

Puffzter

07-24-2008, 11:37 AM

Ok time for an update again.

Since the tent tried to Zyklon B my plants things have turned around as you might have read.
Growth can be followed hour by hour now, actually can. :D

I went up to 50% nutestrength and then after talking to an experienced coco grower I went to 100% of recommendation as well. No bad reactions from the plants to the contrary, they are thriving.

Posting some pictures and in the end an updated diary from the grow, with detailed information from this project day by day.

First pic(repost) is from 1-2 hours after plants were pulled out of the poison hut:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0394.jpg

This one is from 2 days after that, plants are noticing that they just might make it :)
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0402.jpg

4 days after growing mad:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0412.jpg

6 days after :D :D :D
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0415.jpg

All plants are on same location all the way through this but have been turned on quarter on the last pic.

I very visably have seen a difference in one of them now from the others. One have much thinner and stretchier leaves than the others and also is more lime in color. Guess that means that plant might end up stretching a bit more in bloom as it seems to be a bit more sativa dominant. Correct observation you think?

I have no worries anymore now. Not at the moment at least. My grow is 100% where I want it at the moment and that feels really nice after what I went through before.
Got some Hindu Kush and Jack Herer seeds today as well so its time to build a vegg/clone chamber soon. These are not feminised so I will need to start them, make them show sex, get clones etc etc before I can dream of getting a harvest worth the name out of these but that is gonna be a nice project and it adds 2 more very nice strains to my grow as well.
Anyway, here is the updated grow diary (excel):
Free file hosting by Savefile.com (http://www.savefile.com/files/1686240)

Peace
Puffzter

Puffzter

07-24-2008, 01:37 PM

I FIMed the Sativa dominant #5 plant. It is the first grow after all and even though I had basically decided to let them grow as they wanted I came to the conclusion that it is better for future references to try some stuff out at least and since I have one that is more stretchy than the others it got the snip. :P

Now, in retrospect it seems I might have topped it instead of FIMed it though. Close call but never mind, it is a learning process and I will just have to see how many stems that will eventually grow from the cut.

Puffzter

hudson88

07-24-2008, 02:21 PM

Incredible change in the plants since you got rid of the tent of terror. ;)

I've never got the hang of fimming, tried a couple of times but never quite worked how i would of liked.

Keep it up :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Puffzter

07-24-2008, 03:37 PM

Hudson: Ye I cut a bit too low and I am quite sure it became a topping instead but never mind. If so I know for next time, hehe.

I prepared my vegg/clone area today. It's got room for 9 7 litre pots (aprox 2 gallons US) or a lot of smaller ones natrually. I will enclose the area a bit better when its time to start to use it but basically it will be like on this picture I think.
Need a small fan in there as well to swirl the air around and make those stems a bit stronger. :D

Pretty good use of a cramped area, right?

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/3059d683.jpg

hudson88

07-24-2008, 03:46 PM

Sweet ;)

I've got a drobe next to my flower tent, but i use an old diy tent for my vegging. That may change when i've a bit of time, it'll save me some space :)

Funny how i didn't think of that before, thanks for prompting me :D

jakezking

07-25-2008, 02:11 AM

Puffz, I'm glad to hear you figured out the issue with your tent. I hate to hear you had problems with it in the first place, but thanks to you I know you have kept many others on this forum from winding up in the same place! I have been looking at tents for awhile, and you just kept me from going down a dark alley in a bad part of town, bro! I can't wait to see your WWs completely triched out! Keep up the outstanding detailed work too! I know your results will be amazing, my friend!

Puffzter

07-25-2008, 03:12 AM

Thanks man.
Nice to hear.

And I have no false beliefs that I am a good ganja grower but with seeking as much knowledge as possible on forums like these and beyond combined with taking notes of everything I do and what the consequences of it is I hope I in the future will be able to stay clear of a few problems.
And, it is so much fun. If someone told me 6 months ago I would start growing plants in my closet I would have laughed so hard but here I am enjoying every minute of it.
:D

Puffzter

07-25-2008, 03:55 PM

Very hot day where I live and I am struggling to keep temp below 31 degrees (89F). A few leaves of the plants furthest away from table fan showing slight upcurling. Assuming early stages of heatstress. Might that be the case? I am working on getting the temp down a bit more.

Also the plants are really getting real branches now and the top ones on all plants are purple, is that normal on WW?
Have been reading through a lot of sites with symptoms of all kinds and it says that purple branches and stems are normal in some strains and can be a sign of trouble in others.

Any feedback welcome.

Puffzter

hudson88

07-25-2008, 04:34 PM

Very hot day where I live and I am struggling to keep temp below 31 degrees (89F). A few leaves of the plants furthest away from table fan showing slight upcurling. Assuming early stages of heatstress. Might that be the case?
Puffzter

Yeah sounds like heat stress to me, lot of growers fight with temps in the summer. I think 90F is the limit i ever like to see mine hit, dreading a really hot week :wtf:

Are you using the hps now? Lookin back over your log, pics in your new tent seem more yellow and you've got your veg light in the drobe? If so switch back to the veg light and save the hps till you need it.

Also the plants are really getting real branches now and the top ones on all plants are purple, is that normal on WW?

I had red stems on my WW too tho i don't think it's normal for the strain. Never worked out the probllem, didn't seem to affect things much tho. I've read it's caused by a couple of deficiencies, Nitrogen and Phosphorus (think it was phos but check for yourself)

:rastasmoke:

Puffzter

07-25-2008, 04:55 PM

Yes that is correct I read the same, thing is there is no chance in hell I have a deficiency of either.
Plants looks super healthy (except for those two leaves with a slight upcurl) so I am more curious than alarmed. I can still se how leaves develop hour by hour so don't think I have a problem really.

And yes I am on HPS now, full ventillation through the cooltube though but still it gives off quite a bit of heat ofc. I will not change back though. My 125W LE is too inefficient compared so I will and am fighting the heatissue. The LE will be super for my small vegg/clone area I think but the tent is made for rapid and efficient growth so problems that arises I will have to fight now or later, might just as well be now. :)

Thanks for answere Hudson.

hudson88

07-25-2008, 10:51 PM

Yeah i didn't think it was a deficiency that caused my red stems either, i've got some G13xSkunk in veg now and their stems are nice and green, so maybe it's just a genetic thing and some strains are more prone to red stems from a little stress?? Like you said, no need for alarm but it would be nice to know why it was happening.

Good luck fighting the temps, i've got a feeling you'll need it ;) I understand why you don't wanna go back to the other light, but if you're gonna have a seperate veg and flower room you're gonna have to use them like that sometime.

I can just about keep my hps temps within acceptable limits through the summer when i'm on 12/12 running them through the night, but 18/6 would be a real struggle for me. It's do-able but it might get expensive if you need an a/c, i'd try adding another fan blowing directly on the hps and the other at the bottom pointed upwards. Have you got a lot of negative pressure in your tent? Sides sucking in under the pressure of the exhaust pushing air out of the tent? If so i've found opening the additional vents in the tent will drop temps a couple of degrees, (don't forget to close them in the dark period when you do it in flowering tho) Just thought i'd mention a couple of things i do when it gets hot incase you'd not thought of one.

Later :rastasmoke:

Puffzter

07-25-2008, 11:13 PM

Two of the additional 3 vents at gound level are open.
I am running 20/4 now and lights off between 6am and 10am as thats when I am asleep for sure. :P Want to have free access when I am awake hehe.
I put the plants closer to the floor and lights 10cm further away and got to 30 C (86F) so I think its ok.

Damn these plants really grow like, eh, weed. Its insane to see how they develop even after just a few hours since last check :D

Puffzter

07-27-2008, 02:36 PM

Small picture update from day 22 since germinated seeds were put with tails in the coco. About one week growth lost in the first tent but they are getting bushy now and already can smell them in the tent now. :)

All of them:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0427.jpg

Plant 4
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0425.jpg

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

07-27-2008, 04:15 PM

Pufftzer,

Your plants are looking very healthy!

I did notice you are using an HPS for veg. Is there a way to get a MH? Possiably a conversion bulb! I am just suggesting this because they grow much better under the blue light of the MH during this stage of growth.

Sorry I did not read the entire log but what is your light schedule currently?

By looking at the pics they look very healthy and deep green in color (maybe hard to tell with the HPS light) so you seem to have a good nute schedule so far.

JG

Puffzter

07-27-2008, 04:28 PM

Thanks for visiting my log m8.

Yes I do have a blue veg light but its a 125W LE not a MH. When I compared the graphs of the spectrums my 600W HPS turned out to be much more effective even in the blue spectrum from pure "horsepower". My HPS has a spike in the blue as well but far from what a real veg light has. The 600 watts pushes it higher even there though than my other light so I'll stick with it until its time to start to use my veg/clone-chamber, there I will natrually use a designated light for that.
All plants are very healthy with not a single sign of trouble at the moment. They are growing insanelly fast in the coco with the nutes I give them and the light they recieve. :D

Puffzter

Puffzter

07-30-2008, 05:54 PM

Well while cancom has been down some stuff have happened at my place.

I started to germinate 4 Hindu Kush and 4 Jack Herer that I got from a friend who bought seeds in bulk from a very cheap seedbank.
Cannabis Seeds - Cannabis Celebrities (http://www.cannabisseeds.com/purchase.htm)

It was so cheap it was worth trying out even though some suspicion was present.

Now they have been in germination for 2½ days and 2 out of 8 seeds have popped and barelly so. Even the ones that popped so far have only pushed out 1/6 inch tails. Seeds seems to be crap but I will go on and try to get a good pure indica and a pure sativa going together with my WW in a close future if these don't deliver.

The plan is to keep 9 plants in flower constantly in the future so I can harvest about 3 plants of 3 different strains every 3 weeks or so. It's a bit into the future now though as it seems, I will know in the coming few days.

My WWs are doing great though. Still growing mad and the topped/FIMed one has developed 4 stems, maybe even 6. There are 2 small ones that are growing tops just like a main stem but they are still small. 4 have become big already though.

A week from now I think I can get 1-2 good clones from each plant to save until I know which plant(s) perform best in flower phase so I can choose one or two good mothers for my future WW grows.

My Excel sheet has been developed to handle more paralell grows and I also invented a naming system for all my future plants. All info in the Excel file under "System and Information".
In short the naming template will be:
xxx-xxx-xxx-yymm-S

First 3 numbers show strain and the following clusters of 3 x's are different generations of clones. yymm indicated year and month when they were named (for seeds when they break ground and clones as they are taken) and the S indicates sex.

001-099 = White Widow (Dutch Passion)
101-199 = Hindu Kush (cannabisseeds.com)
201-299 = Jack Herer (cannabisseeds.com)

Exemples:
003-0807-F = a WW that was named in july 2008 and turned out to be female. Grown from seed.

105-002-008-1002-M = A hindu Kush. 8th clone from the second clone that was originally cloned from plant 105 that was grown from seed. Male.

This will in the future make it possible for me to follow the history for each and every plant very easilly is the plan.
I have a register where I will write the outcome of every plant. Yield, if it was killed off and why. Quality of product etc.

I am just growing on small scale but still fun to organize things like this. :D
The enhanced Excel file with information up until today is last in this post.

Here are some pictures from today.

Day 25 since I planted the seeds. (one week growth lost in the poisonous tent):

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0431.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0429.jpg

Link to Excel sheets with info up until today:

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Cheers
Puffzter

danish

07-30-2008, 07:01 PM

Hey man those girls are looking great...

We scandinavians got it going on LOL

Maybe with some discression could you point me in the direction of a good gardenschool in Skäne ?

Im trying to locate a few things as im trying to help someone out else take care of those girls and they sure will make you happy

Puffzter

07-30-2008, 07:35 PM

Swegrow|Swedish Growsystems HB - Allt för Växthuset, Trädgården och hemmet (http://www.swedish-growsystems.se/)
and
Nordic Grow Odlingsbutiken (http://www.nordicgrow.com/)

Are both really good, have nice prices and deliver fast by mail. I have met the owners of both these shops as well as boughts stuff from them.
They are not in Skåne but these days distance is not a problem really. I highly reccomend these companies. Stay away from the grow tents at nordic though if u are not planning to start a plant concentration camp.

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-02-2008, 02:57 AM

Just a small update.

2 Hindu Kush barelly germinated they are above the coco now and just might make it. The 2 pots with plastic over them will not. Still after many days germinating they haven't popped but I'll give them a chance for a few days anyway in coco before I throw them out. No chance they will make it though.
Got the seeds for free after he bought bulk from a cheap but worthless seedbank. Not a single Jack Herer poped and only 2 Hindu Kush. I REALLY hope one of them will be female and a good one at that.

WW's are looking great though. Not a spot on them perfect green and growing mad. Monday or tuesday is cloning day then a week later 12/12 starts and the Hindu Kushes go into the veg area together with the clones.

Here you:

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/21be558e.jpg

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-03-2008, 01:01 AM

So, the 2 HK seedlings will make it.
No Jack Herer out of the seeds are popping. Cheap shit!

WWs are 26-28cm(11inch) and are perfect, shooting out branches with tops in all directions. In a 7-10 days they will be shifted to 12/12 and tomorrow or the day after they will give me 2 clones each that hopefully make it even though I will apply crude cloning technique this first time to try to learn the basics of it before I build a bubbler for next batch.
Exciting times!

jakezking

08-03-2008, 01:38 PM

Puffz, your operation is growing incredibly well, my friend! I'm glad to see your WWs have not a single blemish and are growing like mad! Sorry to hear about the JH, but you have a couple of good HK, so all is not lost - and, they were free on top of that!

I look forward to seeing your thriving WW clones and pictures of your bubbler in the works. I hope all's well with you and yours, my friend! Be good out there!

Puffzter

08-03-2008, 02:29 PM

Hi Jake.
Thanks for the kind words man. Really appreciate it.

Puffzter

08-05-2008, 06:03 PM

Thes bitches can DRINK. Damn. I have to water them every 12-14 hours now and thats not cool. They thrive thats for sure and I am home always anyway but still. :P

Anyway, I ordered a 8 plant bubbler system today and a 25 plant germination/cloner. Perfect sizes for the spaces I have. The cloner leaves 1 inch in each rirection to spare in my clone area and the 8 bubbler pods is tailored for my tent.
Only problem will be to transplant from coco to bubbler, hehe. Don't hate me for trying. Gonna be real interesting to see if they freak out.
Watering is getting too much now though especially since I am in a wheelchair. Bubblers will ease the work load a bit.

BeFree

08-05-2008, 07:12 PM

Good to hear the ladies are doing great. At least smashing out on the water and nutes. =D

Was curious if you have bong or hooka attachments to your ride? =D

BeSafe. :jointsmile:

Puffzter

08-06-2008, 09:46 AM

So I took 2 clones each from the 5 ladies last night and they don't look well. I need a few fast short roots to keep them alive while new roots develop. I hope at least a few make it so I can secure my WWs for the future. The 5 WWs are almost uniform in height now. The topped one is catching up again and they are all between 33 and 36 cm.

Here are two pictures to show the amazing growth. I repost a picture exactly 10 days old and follow up with one from today.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0427.jpg

Today:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/e150fbde.jpg

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

08-06-2008, 10:36 PM

Looking very NICE!!!!

I just went to flower 2 days ago and yours also look about ready. Keep in mind hight restrictions. When you go to flower they will tripple in hight in the next 4 weeks.

Other than that you look to have some very healthy MJ plants that will make you a proud grower in about 10 weeks.

JG

Puffzter

08-07-2008, 12:27 AM

Ye I am worried about it too but have to push it as far as possible because of my late bubblers. However I got word today that they get shipped tomorrow probably so I will probably shift them to 12/12 either now or tomorrow night. Then transplant them on friday or monday when I have the equipment. They are growing 2-3cm/day now. That will bake them 20 inch in a couple of days and that is too much. Hell I'm going to shift them right now. 3am-3pm dark from now on.

These are monsters that will grow you out of your house in no time so beware of them. :D

Flowering cycle starts in 30 minutes. Gogo.

Good luck to us both Jerry. hehe

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-07-2008, 01:40 AM

Ok so I flipped them now and they are in their first 12h night right now. Dark hours will be 3am-3pm as I will always be awake when the light is on in the tent then.
Below is a link to the detailed information spreadsheet about EVERYTHING done to the plants and how they reacted to it.
Light, nutes, watering schedule, temp, humidity, growth, impressions etc. All day by day. Might be good help for some new grower. I will keep on posting an update every week all the way to harvest natrually. This one stretches from seeds were germinated until 12/12. Tell me what you think about it if u download it and if you feel additional information is needed or something like that.

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Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

08-07-2008, 01:53 AM

NOW THE FUN STARTS

AHHHHH,
I always loved this day when you flip over the lights. Now all you do is water them, feed them, and just sit back and watch those wonderful flowers appear and see all that tender loving care you have given them pay off:)

JG

Puffzter

08-07-2008, 02:31 AM

Ye hehe. First time for me.

I will miss to be able to check in on them whenever I want though. I spent a LOT of time with my plants up until now. Hours every day. Studying them, fixing some minor thing. Helping a branch get a bit extra light etc. I am sold. This is so much fun.

There is natrually some work still to be done natrually especially since I will have to transplant them out of the coco in a few days. Clean the roots and get them into net pots and into the bubblers will be delicate work I am sure. Especially since I need to do it without freaking them out too much. Exciting exciting.

Gonna be nice to grow paralell with u Jerry.

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-09-2008, 02:00 PM

So, 3rd day in 12/12 today and growth is just explosive since a week. Been good all the time but now the are almost on 1½ inch a day. Hope it slows down soon. At least a bit. :eek:

My bubblers and cloner got shipped yesterday from the UK and should be here in the beginning of next week.

Picture from today. (camera sucks but its all I've got)

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/1f872667.jpg

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-11-2008, 02:44 PM

Hello.

This is maybe gonna be a little bit too close between photos of my plants but I had them out one by one today to get rid of some lower leaves and generally check them over so I also took a photo of them one by one.

Plant 1 (37 days 5th day 12/12):
This is a plant that is turning out beautifully. I didn't like this one very much before because of it growing asymetrical leaves sometimes without sawpattern on some leaves. Leaves always had a strange sandpaper feel to them also that the others never had.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0445.jpg

Plant 2:
Together with 3 and 5 a possible mother (took clones from all 5 to decide later) for my future crops of WW. Good growth and close between nodes on the stem.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0443.jpg

Plant 3:
Basically same as 2.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0442.jpg

Plant 4:
The stretchiest one. It fucking shoots upwards. Light as close to it as the others it just likes hight. Far between nodes on the stem and frankly a bit scary plant to grow indoors.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0444.jpg

Plant 5:
Beautiful specimen. It is the only one I did something to. It was FIMed earlier and have grown multiple stems. I wanted to see what this technique would do to a plant so I only did it to one.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0441.jpg

That's it folks.
They might look a bit skinnier than they actually are in the pics, in real they are all pretty sturdy bushes. It surprised me a bit when I watched the photos.
Still not a spot on any leave on any plant.

Puffzter

Shovelhandle

08-11-2008, 05:15 PM

I don't know about coir, but for soil I'd say your plants would enjoy larger pots.

g/l

Shovel

Puffzter

08-11-2008, 05:33 PM

Well they are not easilly rootbound in coco but they can be and mine are getting close to it. There are many people that grew high yielding plants in handwatered coco from seed to harvest in 2 gallon pots and even smaller. Basically coco growing is hydro. No nutes what so ever comes from the medium.
These is they will be transplanted into bubblers tomorrow or the day after when they arrive. They were shipped from england on friday so should be here tomorrow normally.

Puffzter

GerbilFace

08-11-2008, 08:35 PM

Cool. I was thinking about growing in coir. I'm just starting some non-feminized WW seeds in vermiculite/perlite cups. Then I'm gonna transplant into hempy buckets.

Do you use hydro nutes in your coir?

1, GF

Puffzter

08-11-2008, 08:50 PM

I am using HESI Coco line. Its a package containing everythging needed from seed through veg and flower phases when growing in Coco. With it comes a card that looks like this:
http://www.hesi.nl/english/objects/schemas/sch_coco_en.jpg

Already from seed is above ground 4-5 days or clone has started to root you can start to nuke them at 60-80% of that and a week later 100% and then 150% last two weeks of veg (if grown from seed, clones you can hit with 150% after 10 days or so).
In flower you start off with 100% and a week later 150% for a few weeks then 175 until time to flush.
That gives u about: 350->600->1000->1200-1500 ppm
Growth equals any hydro system but is very watering intense if u handwater. Coco should never dry out so from 3 weeks and in u need to water every 12-18 hours if u dont use top feed or something like that.

Puffzter

joedirte

08-12-2008, 02:32 PM

hey bro nice grow. well done log too. cant wait to see them flowering! i also like how your FIM experiment turned out. i might give it a whack sometime. and good luck with the bubblers. would be interesting to know what kind your getting.

hmmm... coco....:stoned:

Puffzter

08-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Thanks for the visit m8.
Ys I think the FIM was a success indeed and the plant did'nt spread out as much as I feared so if that plant yeilds well I will do this to all in the future. It dont stretch as much as the others and is still not much wider. When the bubblers are installed I will have a constant 8 plants in flower on 1meter square lit with one 600W light and it is becoming very obvious I need an even canopy for that.

Bubblers have not arrived yet today so I really hope they will be here tomorrow. They all showed sex today and all are ladies as they should be from feminized seeds so now all I need is to get those damn bubblers and figure out how the hell I am gonna transplant them out of the coco into those.

Puffzter

painretreat

08-13-2008, 01:46 AM

Thanks a mil for the pix; your camera does a great job-surely the operator. And it does great compared to the one I haven't bought yet!!!

SO ENJOY the pix and learning! That FIM'd one looks really nice and healthy!

Looking forward to seeing the bubblers and hope they get there asap!!! pr:hippy:

trinitybound

08-13-2008, 02:38 AM

The girls look great Puff! You definately have not only the research done but you have a talent for growing as well. Just my opinion, but at this point trying to change the grow medium might stress them out, I would play it safe and maybe just transplant those to bigger pots with coir then put your clones in the bubbler? Too much stress and they might go hermi, especially in feminized seed. Out of curiosity what brand of nutes you using? Also some plants take to trimming better than others, I always research the phenotype for single stem traits, as an example low growing Indica won't produce as much with the pinch. Best wishes on an abundant harvest :jointsmile:

painretreat

08-13-2008, 02:40 AM

Hi Pufster--say, can u or have you checked out using co-poly in soil to keep it moist? I used it in my yard and a few trees. Mine is the size of rock salt and when I water they get about the size of a quarter and then slowly the water leaches back into the soil.

found it real pricie though. So, I got a 50# sack through Target Distributions in San Diego. Have to check and make sure it is the consumption type (read it in a tread somewhere and 2 lazy to go check my stash). Lasts a long time and did help with what I used it for. The 50# sack cost what I was paying for about 4 #'s! So, use it on everything!

Again, thank you for your kindness in sharing and teaching! I much appreciate it all and the extra time it takes you to put into this for all of us! pr:thumbsup:

Puffzter

08-13-2008, 03:46 AM

Trinity:

Yes I know and my plan was to transplant into 3½ gallon pots, I already have them ready here but...
I am convinced I can do the transplant. It will be a stressfactor surelly but with lots of care taken combined with fast working and getting the ppm and pH levels exactly the same as they had in the coco to start with I would be surprised if they go hermi on my ass. If one or two does so be it and lesson will be learned from it. I have clones ready to go in that case. And this first grow is for one purpouse only. Learn as much as possible about MJ growing so I rather test the limits now than later.
I have spoken with two growers that both have done the same transplant, one from soil and one from coco by cleaning the roots and getting them into DWCs mid grow. Both got a few days growth stun but after that no problems. Natrually I will not push it if the first transplant turns out more problematic than I hoped but I will try on at least one. I don't stand or fall with these plants.

Pain:
Are that some sort of spungy things?
You see one factor with coco is buildup of salts and that's why you cant let coco dry out as the medium very fast builds up salts then. My concern with using stuff like that is that it might make this process faster. Flushing soil is normally no problems at all but flushing coco to get rid of salts or what have you drains the medium of all nutrients and the plants are left with nothing until levels are built up again. That is why coco is watered to a runoff of 10-20% at every watering. You water with nutes and to put it simple the first 20% of what you water flushes the salts out while keeping the nute level in the medium, the following 80% is what stays in the medium for the plants to feed off.
If you water slowly like these things sounds like they are doing you don't get that clensing I fear and might screw up the balance in the medium causing you to have to flush and then build up the balance again.
In coco you can not overwater and root rot is basically impossible to get but you can easilly underwater. Total oposite from soil where overwatering is always a risk but underwatering is generally not a risk to the plants.

Puffzter

Shovelhandle

08-13-2008, 01:05 PM

Again, I can only speak about soil but plants LOVE to be transplanted into larger pots. I've not had any stress or stunt when I do this.

Yoour grow and log are great. Best of luck on the harvest! :thumbsup:

Puffzter

08-13-2008, 01:47 PM

That's not what I am gonna do Shovel.
I will get them out of their pots. clean the roots from all coco and put them in net pots in a bubbler. Quite an operation but after having found 2 growers that have done it on a few occasions I think it will be doable.
Anyway I will start with just one and see. If it is too much of a risk to the plants I wont go on. If it works out it would be great though. These babies can't be left alone for more than 20 hours now.

Puffzter

painretreat

08-15-2008, 06:50 AM

Puffster; Thank you so much: Yep, they do become spongy. Look & feel like rock salt, but swell with water to about the diameter of about a quarter. Feeds too slow I bet. But, it would keep the roots wet. But, as you figured out, it will hold the nutes and most likely some salt. I guess it would be something you mite consider if you had a nice grow and a family emergency came up. You have to leave town and resort to whatever you can to keep them wet and hope for the best. Under your care with diligent hard work, it isn't even a consideration.

Thanks for the education though, I really appreciate it a great deal. I understand your grow a lot more now!! Sounds like way too much work for me. But, am anxious for bubbler pix and set-up! Not gonna rule anything out. The girls look so nice!

Hell, I wish I had football field sized greenhouse! Would have every 420 person there and a big learn fest! :rastasmoke:

Shovelhandle

08-15-2008, 12:18 PM

sorry to confuse. mi meant to answer trinity's concern about transplanting. I now see that trinity was refering to the change of medium..oops. I know you were going to bubbler system. good luck!

painretreat

08-15-2008, 06:11 PM

sorry to confuse. mi meant to answer trinity's concern about transplanting. I now see that trinity was refering to the change of medium..oops. I know you were going to bubbler system. good luck!

Shov: I do not think you offended--you taught us all something! The honor of having you visit a log with a comment is a pleasure! Particular for those of us students! Which I do hope is a good reason for this site! I know when I see you've been to a site, I will learn--even MORE!

I am grateful to have the privilege to learn on this thread and others! Certainly,this one has a lot of new ideas, etc. to pull from when in need of knowledge! pr :hippy:

Puffzter

08-16-2008, 03:49 AM

Just a fast update.

I will add photos later today or maybe tomorrow.
Bubblers are still not here so they stand in the coco pots still.
Growth haven't slowed down yet and is INSANELLY fast. Plant 5, my stretchiest one, will certainly become too tall before harvest if it continiue like this for too long.
All plants super healthy and have started to flower. If all goes as well as up to now this will be a huge success I am sure.

Have a look at my log for detailed information by clicking the link below. Excel needed. I still want some input concerning these excel logs from you that have downloaded them.
Free file hosting by Savefile.com (http://www.savefile.com/files/1732456)

My 2 Hindu Kush seeds that germinated are looking well as well and are developing their 4th set of leaves as we speak. The clones from the WWs are still rooting and havent started vegetative growth. 2 out of 10 died. The remaining 8 look fine and I am expecting over ground growth to start any day now.

Cheers
Puffzter

painretreat

08-16-2008, 04:21 AM

No Excel. But, enjoy the rest anyway. Kinda sad, would love to read the excel! pr

Puffzter

08-16-2008, 02:21 PM

I'll start with a correction of my last post. It's plant 4 that is the stretchy one not 5. ;) Not that it will matter to most of you but I handle information with a lot of care hehe. My Excel detailed log is updated in my last post, have a look at it and give me some input plx.

Anyway, here are the pictures I promised. They are from day 10 of 12/12. Day 42 since they broke ground. Pictures are bad as usual thanks to a combination of a $100 camera and a bad operator.

Group picture. Say Cheeeese:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0446.jpg

Top just starting to flower, plant 5:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0447.jpg

Main top of Plant 4 the Eifeltower to be:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0451.jpg

Enjoy

Puffzter

hatch

08-16-2008, 09:58 PM

Hy Wht's Up???,,,,,,,,,,They Look Nice & Perky!!!!Keep Up The Good Work!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,Later,,,My Brother!!!:smokin::smokin::smokin:

jakezking

08-17-2008, 11:20 PM

Puffz, I can't add a dang thing to your spreadsheet. There is no doubt it is extremely detailed. I am extremely detailed at work, but my home life, and growing techniques, are far from detailed. My growing techniques are probably far from detailed because they are outdoors - not much luck in controlling the details outdoors, eh? I sincerely appreciate you sharing all of your details though. As I have said for awhile now, I need to begin planning an indoor setup, and following your detailed analyses will certainly be of great assistance.

As for your ladies - what can I say? They are outstanding. I am stunned by the bud development on them. And, WW#5 is WICKED! I became a big fan of lst'ing on my first grow, and it has certainly made a difference on your grow - not that your other ladies are wicked stepsisters or anything - they are all Cinderellas in my book.

I can't wait to see your bubbler setup, and see how your conversion goes. I wish you much success, and am happy to see you and all of your ladies doing great! Take good care out there, my friend!

Puffzter

08-18-2008, 07:22 AM

Hatch:

Thanks man, really glad everytime I see someone following the log and posting. Love the support.

Jake:
Ye it is going well here. Don't understand why my bubblers are so late though. They were shipped from England friday 10 days ago and normally from england I get stuff in 4-6 days. Really really hope they show up today or tomorrow. :(
And plant 5 has become one of my two top choices at the moment for a future mother, have 2 clones from each of them and one of those clones will become the mother of my future WW's. I will decide when I know how everything goes all the way.
Thanks for the input concerning the spreadsheet as well. I actually think I have close to a finished template by now that I can keep using time after time after time in the future as well as getting valuable historic information when planning new grows.
Anyone that want to use this sheet feel free to do so I find it an easy way to keep track of my plants and what I do to them as well as how they react to it.

Puffzter

Puffzter

08-19-2008, 11:45 AM

Made a no no before lights out in the early AM's.
My problem plant #4 is now 7 inches taller than the next plant and 10 taller than the other 3 so I lst's it a bit but sitting in a wheelchair and having to reach far into the flower room I slipped and didn't break it but gave it a nasty bend with some stem damage 8 inches from the top.
It is tied up now during lights out and in an hour I can see how it seems. I hope it will be ok. Would be nasty to loose the top cola of a plant that is gonna yeild very well.
Thing is this plant is growing 1-2 inches a day since 1½ weeks so It has to be stopped or at least slowed down a bit. Let's hope for the best.

Meanwhile I am also training a bit on my rolling technique, always been bad at that but now my cones are starting to become quite good finally.
:P

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/d0ee6fc3.jpg

Puffzter

joedirte

08-19-2008, 12:04 PM

nicely done! wish i could sample. hope your plants are alright. hindu kush sounds tasty. i smoked some weed that was "supposed " to be hindu kush once, (from a reputable dealer,) and i liked it. it was very original. not to piney, not really sweet, definetly earthy. classic. i wannna get some from nirvana. theyre HK strain seems to sell pretty well. anyway cant wait to see some pics! and have your bubblers arrived yet? the coco looks to be working pretty well for now.

Puffzter

08-19-2008, 01:58 PM

Yeah the coco is working great. Never seen anything grow this fast and healthy in my life.
I would like to ease the workload a bit though so my late assed bubblers has to come soon. Can't understand what is holding them up. :(

Light is on again in flower room and plant 4 has grown just fine tonight but it still wont hold itself up without string, I hope it will mend.

Anyone else that snapped a stem a few weeks into bloom and seen it mend up enough to get strength to make it on itself?
It has the damage on the inside in the direction it fell over but the outside and the sides are fine and it does transport water/nutes to the top without any problems it seems.

Puffzter

jakezking

08-19-2008, 03:42 PM

Puffz, I see where you got your nickname - that's a heckuva spliff to puff! And, your rolling job is A1, my friend! Dang sweet roll! Sorry for all of the exclamation points; all of my yelling was probably part of the reason for your fall, eh? I'm glad to hear your main cola is still being fed through the snapped stem.

You've probably already done a search on the board, but it seems like snapping upper branches is an employed technique, much like lst'ing. I haven't ever really paid attention to the thread(s) which discussed this matter, but give them a look if you haven't already.

I know you are anxious to get your bubblers. I hate to hear the shipment is taking so long - probably due to a stoned shipping clerk getting your order out a few days late. At least your beauties are not suffering in the coco coir.

Be good out there, my friend!

richardweedster

08-19-2008, 03:45 PM

lol nice pic Puffzter :rastasmoke:

Ryder666

08-24-2008, 04:05 PM

Where's your update? I want to see how it's going! :thumbsup:

Puffzter

08-24-2008, 06:37 PM

Here it is :)

Been a bit pissed off here. My bubblers are not coming. The seller who had 22 good reviews on ebay now have 25. Last three bad, stuff not sent. Filing my complaint tomorrow.

My plants are in super shape all of them but I am giving 2 of them a spanking now and then to keep them down. :P
Plant 4 is now on its 3rd stem bend. 1st was an accident but it didnt slow down and mind at all as far as I can tell so I am breaking its back now and then making it grow as the letter "Z" hehe. Its just too damn stretchy. Plant 3 has gotten 2 so far. Canopy is in quite decent shape now growing as a dome.
Still not a single miscolored leaf between the 5 of them and flowers everywhere. :D

Some (yet again) bad pictures followed by an updated detailed grow log for download. I still want more reviews of these logs so if u download tell me what you think and what possibly could be made better.

One of the 6 stems of FIM'd plant #5:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0463.jpg

A few group pics:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0460.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0461.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0462.jpg

Click for detailed log on this link:
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Cheers
Puffzter

Puffzter

08-24-2008, 07:00 PM

Here is a pic of my 2 Hundu Kushes that are grown from seeds in round pots and 8 surviving clones out of 10 from the WWs.
I took 2 clones from each WW and the one of the WWs that turns out the best will have it's clone mothering my future WW grows is the plan.

The HK's will (if one turn out female) mother a future Hindu Kush grow as well.

HK's are on day 24 and the clones on day 19.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0464.jpg

Puffzter

painretreat

08-25-2008, 07:32 AM

A few days ago I read from Opie, I think, that stretching will reduce yield.
What are you seeing as your results? curious! thanks pr:jointsmile::jointsmile:

Puffzter

08-25-2008, 12:39 PM

Well, I have one plant and to some extent one more that want to grow higher and faster than the others.
This is not because of bad light though as they recieve the same light as the others but it just seem to be in their genes to do so.

My stretchiest one is gonna be my top yeilder I am quite sure seen from the insane flower growth on it, dense and plenty of them. Even the side branches grow really big flowers on this one. Maybe my FIM'd one will beat it but I kinda doubt that, maybe.
I don't think you generally can say that stretch = lower yeild. I am quite sure that if it stretches because of bad or too distant light that will be the case though.

Puffzter

painretreat

08-26-2008, 07:22 AM

Puf! U R exactly right, 'due to lightning' issues. Excellent pick-up. trying to keep my posts short so did not list it all!! Pretty neat!! :thumbsup::jointsmile: pr

Your buds are making my mouth drool, like a 95 yr. old in a conv. hosp. at 5PM waiting for breatfast!!! drool ++++++++++++++++++++ pretreet. :hippy:

If i were a bunny, I'd be in the new grow hi n as much leaf as possible! lol !

joedirte

08-26-2008, 10:42 AM

hey, puffster! glad to finally see some flowers! plants look f'n A healthy! hope your yeild is nice. sucks about the bubblers though...

hudson88

08-26-2008, 12:13 PM

Hey Puffzter,

Looking great man, that flower room of yours is burstin' ;) Clone rooms lookin' sweet too!

Interesting discussion on the stretching. With my white widows they all stretched quite a lot and i thought it may of been insufficient light, them stretching to compete for the best light as they were pretty short on space in my tent. But i've got some G13xskunk in there now, one has stretched uncontrollablly, more so than the WW and yet another has barely stretched at all. All of these were grown from seed and the only difference i can think of is the one that stretched the least had been vegged for the longest and had a lot of pruning to keep it short. Perhaps they stretch more when they are a little immature? (mature clones stretch much less than plants from seed, i can vouch for that as my clone of a stretchy WW was much more compact) I waited for alternating nodes on all the plants, around 4-5 weeks, but the short G13 had about 8 weeks veg.

Puffzter

08-26-2008, 01:46 PM

Ye I don't know tbh.

What I do know is that my plant #4 from seed always raced ahead and in its stretch period insanelly did so. Even if it was 4 inches from the 600W it raced 1½-2 inches a day.
They all gre a lot during this period but every other day plant 4 grew one inch more than the others so 10 days into the stretch period it was 10-12 inches taller than the next one and got slammed with a serious emergency break. Broke it's spine 3 times now hehe. It still grows hard but has slowed down a bit and the Z shape it is growing in also helped to keep height down.

As for the clones it's interesting. I will surelly keep a close eye on it when I do my next grow from clones with the same genetics.
A clones birth age is the age of its mother so in my case my clones started as 28 days old from seed. The plants I took the clones from were growing hard then but it was a few days before the stretch period started for real so in theory the clones should start growing hard as soon as they rooted. Can't say that they have so that sugests that your theory stands.
This might cause me to reconcider alltogether actually.
My plan was to more or less discard plant 4 clones even though that plant shows excellent signs of becoming a top yeilder on the basis of it being too unmanagable o grow indoors. I am leaning to plant 5 clones for mothers and I still do as it is a beautiful plant with a LOT of flowering and close between nodes. Plant 4 (the stretchy one) was fastest to start flowering and is building on hard though and from what we seem to have discovered here just might be in the race still now then.

Nice discussion by the way, thanks for picking up on it and coming with very valuable input.

Puffzter

painretreat

08-27-2008, 02:36 AM

Thanks for allowing the discussion in your thread, it cleared a lot more up and understandable for me!

OMG I love those pix!!! Pretty neat thread! :jointsmile:

Puffzter

08-27-2008, 03:24 AM

Let me just start with a saying that I really love getting mails like this:

Reply to thread '5*White Widow feminized. Coco.'
"Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary

So keep posting, I really appreciate that people take an interest and I am very happy to answere any questions or discussing whatever about my humble grow.

Pain:
Thanks again for the positive you spread around you in mine and other peoples threads, really glad to read any post from you. <3

I am working very hard with my (just 5) plants so those bubblers would have been a good addition to ease the workload but now it s like it is and I will stay on top of it all and make the best of it until I find another solution. My plants have become my babies something I would never had thought when I stumbeled into a MJ growing forum in the beginning of june never having had a single thought about growing anything but it really cought my interest causing me to start reading kilometers of text (literally) and watching all kinds of movies etc about growing before finally feeling ready to take the step into starting up this on my own creating a very rewarding (in so many ways) hobby for myself.
That people actually are interested enough to follow what I do is flattering to say the least.
That it is going so well is even more surprising. I am just waiting for a major screw up here but I am trying to make decissions based on what I have learned from all you guys.

I also have a bit of an interest in writing causing me to certainly type for hours a day, here being just a fraction of that, and might make my own thread a bit hard to follow out of text mass alone. Sorry for that if so. :P
English is not my mother tongue as well so I surelly can understand that it might be a bit contra productive to write this much all the time but I just can't help myself hehe.

Cheers

Puffzter

jakezking

08-29-2008, 09:05 PM

Puffz, it's always a pleasure to read your log, my friend! I always appreciate the pictures, but your writing is always top notch. I could not tell English was not your native language until you had revealed same. Don't ever feel the need to apologize for getting long winded - I love reading and writing; sometimes I'll become lazy and want to simply ogle pictures, but the descriptive nature of words oftentimes paints a more detailed picture than a picture itself.

I'm glad to see your grow going so well. Glad to see your efforts in training your stretchy WW are working. It amazes me how resilient and vibrant mj plants are! I'm sorry to hear of your bubblers, but know you will have some on order and receive them soon.

Take good care out there, my friend! Have a great weekend!

Puffzter

08-29-2008, 09:42 PM

Thanks Jake.

I am not so much training them as going Mike Tyson on their asses but they truly seem resillient even though they are feminized from seeds they are showing a remarkable strength in genetics and just wont go crossdressers no matter what I do to them it seems.

Right now they are flowering fully and are fattening up. Sugar is starting to form on all plants and plant 3 has a top on one of the sidebranches that is truly beautiful. Not spectacular in any way but so perfectly formed and getting more and more frosty by the hour almost.
I sit with a book in my growroom with the tent fully open and read an hour now and then occasionally watching these increadible plants that are growing in my walk in closet to perfection. They truly have become more to me than I thought when deciding to have a go at this.
Almost make me sad when I think about the fact that ultimatelly I will be their executioner.

I still havent decided on which one of them is gonna be the mother for the future grows of WW. All of them have clones under 24/0 of which one or two will become a future mom but I still can't decide. All 5 are showing vigor and terrific flower production but which one is best?
Will I have to grow the clones until I have test smoked the weed from all 5 plants and know everything about their individual yeild and quality?
I don't know.
I hope it wont come to that as it will cause me to have 8 huge plants in my clone area for quite some time but I just can't decide yet. How do one decide which one of ones babies are really the favourite anyway?
When the colas start to fatten up proper I hope I can come to a decission and gather the resolve needed to kill off the non choosen clones. ;)

At the same time as all this is going on my Hindu Kushes are almost ready to put in 12/12 to make them show sex so I can get a mother of that strain as well. I only have 2 plants and don't know sex so hopefully one is female and with decent genetics so it can mother some indica for me as well.
Time will tell.
Gonna try to shoot a few pics now with my shitty crap camera. If I get something decent I'll natrually post asap.

Peace.

Puffzter

jakezking

08-29-2008, 09:48 PM

I am not so much training them as going Mike Tyson on their asses ....

Flippin' hilarious! Just try not to bite a chunk off their ears, eh?

I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who felt quite a bit of guilt in chopping down a plant. When I determined to harvest my Mighty Freeze, I felt like a schlep. But, once she dried up for a couple of days, my guilt disappeared.

It sounds like you have much to consider in deciding upon a mother. I wish I could be of help to you in this regard, but I have not ventured down that path yet. After spending as much time and attention with and on your plants as you have, I know it will be difficult selecting only one, but hopefully one will really stand above the rest upon maturation of their buds.

As always, it's a pleasure to read your log, my friend! And, there is nothing wrong with your pics - if they are not as high in pixels as some, your words more than make up for it!

Puffzter

08-29-2008, 10:13 PM

A bunch of pictures taken but only one turned out ok. Actually I am even quite happy with it which sais a lot.

Cola of plant 4 with some surrounding flowers from other tops and branches.

Enjoy.
Day 23 12/12

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/356dcfcb.jpg

Puffzter

painretreat

08-30-2008, 02:06 AM

lol .....lol....lol!!!!
If you take off an ear, be sure it is a bud, ready to cure!!

I am amazed at how you have only had green and good grow. Makes me want to jump out and get Excel and only have more to learn!!!

I am sure I read a thread by the stinkster on how she choose's clones! As I re-call: It was-ease of grow, health of plant, quality of bud and yield. Plus, bug free, etc. all the things you've enjoyed in your grow! I do not recall if she mentioned, size, but surely she did! I think you have to test all of the smokes first!! Why not, after all that work!!! I can only get dial-up or I'd jump around and find her post. In fact, I think she has a clone log, as well!

Frankly, I just love that #4! Guess, I love a challenge and you have 'tackled'- I mean wrestled with it very well!

Right now I am enduring the hard time of the year, it doesn't cool off much at night. Outdoor can be so unpredictable! Guess, I'll have to get Excel and just repeat your grow!!! I just love it and I know exactly what you mean about gardening. I use to have a vege one yearly and was addicted to it. It is a lot of fun. Plus, all the different things you can do with them. Can hardly wait, until you get into genetic breeding.

Is that your cute little Kitty? Looks pretty and big! What a sport!

You never mentioned the smell, I do not recall, anyway! How is the smell?
PR thanks for a little chuckle, always a good thing to have a good sense of humor when doing this!! :thumbsup: :hippy:

Puffzter

08-30-2008, 03:10 AM

Hey Pain. :)

They smell like hmm don't know the word. You know that weed that grow around barns and in high grass that give you a sting if u touch them. Nettles or something like that. Word just popped up in my head but not sure. I am not english speaking. ;) A bit richer than that but about so. However, my charcoal filter takes 100% of the smell away and outside the growtent you cant feel a thing even though I tried putting my nose in the exhaust airflow.

I would love to breed tbh. I know I am a rookie but some day it would be really nice. Need more space though.
Now I have one meter square (about 10 sq ft) for flowering and 2*2 ft for vegg/clones mothers so I am cramped.
I'd love a big basement or something like that to play around in so I could do some serious work some day.

Anyway, it seems I was either lucky like hell or Dutch Passion just sells feminized WW's with really really good genetics.
All five seeds, even though they are not completelly uniform, show very good qualities. No bug attacks, no bad reactions to anything and all started to flower within 24h from eachother. All have very big flower production as well. They are all different but none of them have shown a single sign of problem so how do one choose? I mean, still out of these five very big plants I have not seen one leaf with a spot on it or any miscoloration (since the poison hut). Ofc Yeild and quality of smoke will be a huge factor since nothing else (yet) can make me decide.
Problem with that though is that there will be a time lapse between harvesting and being able to flower the next batch while I wait for end results and then clone the corresponding mother and start a clone SoG with them. I guess I could fill that gap with a Hindu Kush grow if one of my two turns out to be a decent female.
Maybe a ScrOG. There is so much hate agains males in the world og Mj that it kinda would feel good to put a few females behind bars, even if it only is chicken wire. ;)

In the end. I don't have a perfectly worked out plan of action yet so I just keep my options open for now keeping clones alive from all of them and the HK's in veg. Would be great to have one more growtent for flowering so I could run two separated flowering OPs at the same time but I think I am overproducing badly as it is. Mainly growing for the fun of it and to satisfy my need to learn more about everything. I don't smoke a lot, don't have any friends that smoke at all and selling, even though money is always welcome, sooner or later only leads to ME being ScrOG'ed and not behind chicken wire.
Guess I'll just stock up. lol.

The only goal I have is to within a few cycles go for a grow with its sole purpouse being to get .5g/W and month. If I can manage that in a flat SoG I can show to myself black on white that I know my shit and have managed to put my theoretical knowledge mixed with what I have learned practically to use.

Time will tell. It's just so interesting all this with so many ways of doing it and so many variables to play with that I am sure I have found a hobby that wont make me bored in a loooong time.

There you go, some reading. hehe

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-01-2008, 01:23 PM

Look at this.
It's from a Hindu Kush that turned out male and got discarded. It was a fast growing plant and very healthy EVEN though it was this root bound.
Plants growing in coco can ofc experience problems from being root bound but you have to take it to the extreme for that to happen. The more rootbound they become the more frequently you need to water them however. The coco give out no nutrients but it does hold the moisture for the roots to feed off and that's why it can be grown in such small pots if one are prepared to tend to them a LOT.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/fa6eed63.jpg

I did throw a few clones out today together with one Hindu Kush. I now have one HK left so it HAS to turn out female. ;)

I have clones left from all the WWs that still are possible mothers for the future. All but #1 which I think is growing a bit strange. It flowers well but have some issues. Nothing big but the other 4 plants have none so their clones are still saved even though I cut down on the numbers a bit and saved the ones that look best to grow into bushes to mother future WW grows.
In the end only one or two out of the 5 remaining clones will be saved as my future WW genetics.

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

09-01-2008, 02:05 PM

Very interesting!!

I was wondering why my plants seem to be doing ok in 2 gallon pots. I just remembered MG Moisture Control has coco in it and your pics and insite are giving me a good idea as to what is happening in my grow.

Great post, helped me alot :thumbsup::thumbsup:

JG

Puffzter

09-03-2008, 01:45 AM

Ok time for a small picture update since I at last got a few decent pictures.
White Widow plants are on their 28th day of flowering and looking great. Sugar forming on buds and fan leaves all over the place.
Plant 5 (the FIM'd one) has 6 stems and a bunch of side branches forming buds. The main stems on this one are all growing 12+ inch colas already but one of the stems on this one is growing a whopping 20 inch top bud. :D
Dark period is 3am-3pm and that way I am always awake and can tend to them and cuddle with them during all their waken hours. That I do a lot. Picking off a leaf that has lived its life, putting a fan leaf to the side if it blocks a flower. Keep the tent clean. Water, adjust the light and the fans and check temperature and humidity all the time and keep notes of everything. I will not let any of my girls start dating until they are 40 and god save any boy that make them pregnant. One that tried to sneak up on them in the clone/veg chambre just around the corner swiftly got killed for even being in the neighborhood. :mad:

Temperature in the tent is 28 degrees C at the top of the plants which is about 79-81 F I believe without checking exactly. Humidity is 45-52% which is also perfect.
I nuke them with 1450ppm and they drink about 1 litre/plant and day now. Thats a bit over 1/4 gallon.
Here we go.

First one is that 20 inch bud formation on one out of 6 main stems of plant 5. The bottle is a 1.5 litre (50 Oz) hehe.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0487.jpg

Picture through the opening of the tent. Plants are about 4-4.5 ft tall by now. Closest plant is FIM's #5.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0495.jpg

Last 2 overview pictures.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0497.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0498.jpg

Puffzter

anbesol

09-03-2008, 04:46 AM

Holy Shit dude! Pretty Serious! I forgot about your grow log! Subscribed! What Watt are you flowering with?

Puffzter

09-03-2008, 05:09 AM

600W HPS in a cooltube.
And welcome as a subscriber. ;)

Puffzter

greenatik

09-03-2008, 09:22 AM

looking sick brah!

mmm white widow :food10:, my favorite

hatecable

09-04-2008, 01:53 AM

Man, this is an incredible first grow. All the research has really paid off for you. If you really hang out with them that much, I think that qualifies for a C02 assisted grow:D Hopefully my WW turns out even remotely that good. It would be really cool to see your excel logs, but alas I dont have excel. I am kinda doing the same thing but with notepad:wtf: May have to find a copy of excel or some other spreadsheet to satisfy my taste for organization.

I dont know about the others, but Im already excited about the weigh in.

Puffzter

09-04-2008, 11:43 AM

There are cracked excel for download on piratebay and such. I downloaded a full office pack 2007 from there, works as a a charm. ;)

Updated excel grow log with detailed info day by day will be posted within a couple of days.

Thanks for the kind words by the way and yes I am thinking about CO2 but before that I think I will go for 2*600W hps in cooltubes instead of one to get a more even light distribution and ofc more of it. I think I can keep temperatures under control. Maybe I go for both at the same time as the higher temperatures will be less of a problem with CO2 anyway as the optimal growing temperature goes up a bit in a CO2 rich enviroment.

Now, I could easilly satisfy my needs with half of what I am growing atm and probably even much less and I will not sell. My buddies don't smoke so I am facing a bit of a problem here hehe.
So to optimize even more makes no sence really in my case but for me it does. I like doing things as good as possible and it's very hard to not do ones best. That can be measured in many ways quality being one and quantity being the easiest to measure.
In the case of a given genetics I do not think quantity automatically means lower quality since a happy plant both produce a lot and produce good quality. If you choose genetics solely for yeild quality might suffer though but given that genetic the best quality will be had by keeping it happy.

So, in the end yeild is a good way to keep track of ones progress I think. But, you can only compare with similar setups or your own earlier results. And grows with the same genetics. A good Haze grower wont stand a chance against a decent PPP grower I mean.

There are a few things I believe makes out the corner stones of what you need to know and understand to grow well.

* Light is VERY important. Give them as much as u can and reflect back as much as possible from walls and floor. Photosyntesis makes carbonbased building blocks for your plants and the more of those the faster and healthier the plant grows. As long as you don't heat burn your plants more is always better.

* Air flow: Understand how the air flows through your growspace. You constantly need to get fresh air flowing through all parts of your plants. Why? Well fresh air contains CO2 and CO2 feeds the photosyntesis. The most important nutrient your plant "eats" is CO2. It is of such importance that simplified you can say that nutes in the water and soil are only there to make the uptake of CO2 possible. A plant is made up of mainly carbon and 100% of that comes from the air. Good nutes are really important but the bottle neck is in the photosyntesis. Its easy to satisfy a plants nutrient needs but VERY hard to optimize the CO2 uptake.
In my growarea I had passive intake on the floor below the charcoal filter hanging in the roof sucking air out. A lot of my fresh air went 2 meters straight up and got sucked out. So, I put a small fan on the floor at the intake blowing the fresh air into the center of the room to be sucked up through the plants canopy instead. The bigger fan moving the air over the canopy was also moved directly above the air intake so it would get any air trying to escape directly from intake to exhaust. It blows it on to the canopy now. Results from this change could be seen in a few days in the vigor of the plants.
In short, watch your growspace and try to figure out how the air moves. Take measures to get as much of the intake air as possible to move through your plants before it moves out of the room again.

* Keep it clean. Dead leaves or what have you attracts pests. Once you get those you are in Irak. Sure you can keep them at bay but there are no certain ways of winning per se or stopping the attacks completelly. So, don't give pests an easy way in. Avoid having living leaves touching the grow medium as well. Get them off the plant if they do. (I don't in any way mean that Irakies are pests by the way just that the war wont be won once it is started, there will alway be pockets surviving and starting new attack sooner or later) In short try your absolute best to not come into a situation where this will be an issue.

* Know your genetics. If you read up you will learn how the plant is expected to grow. If you learn that a plant grown freely will grow explosive upwards during its 3rd week you might wanna train it before that if you grow indoors. ;) I made this mistace and now have room to spare horizontally but are fast running out of space vertically. That is not a good way to grow. I could have used my grow space better. Keep that canopy even and use up horizontal space rather than vertical. The less light that hits the floor and the more even canopy you have the better. Top, FIM, ScrOG, SoG, LST to make that happen.

* If you never ever nuteburned your plant you are under feeding it. Slowly go harder and harder on nutes until you do see signs of burns. Keep notes. Once you do hit the wall back off a bit and you can be certain you are at an optimal level for your strain and your grow op. Do keep notes though so you know the next time. Also know that generally they can take more and more as they get older so your first time around you might do this a few times.

Know these simple things and try to use that knowledge as good as possible and the rest will be much easier imo.
These points are a part from the obvious natrually. You need to know how to water, choose medium and grow technique, genetics etc etc but that is a given. Once you have started to grow and have choosen your equipment I think these 5 points are the most important to become as good as possible in.

Now I am no expert at this but I do know what I need to know and need to learn (which is still a lot).

My next time around I will plan more ahead and know better what to expect and be ready for that before it happens.

Puffzter
(you have to excuse my fingers sometimes I plan for a short post and the bastards just wont stop typing)

Puffzter

09-04-2008, 12:21 PM

To ease up a bit after that...
Here is my plant #5 alone when I had them all out to check for troubles or any male flower on them and to turn them 180 degrees when they went back in.

6 long colas, only 5 can be made out on the pic though, one is hidden behind the others. Day 29 of 12/12 lighting and I cant wait for them to fatten up in the weeks to come. :D

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/21a415bd.jpg

Puffzter

zebulon

09-04-2008, 12:59 PM

Great grow log, nice work dude....can't wait to see some hot bud porn....:thumbsup:

joedirte

09-04-2008, 01:07 PM

damn dude nice setup

Ryder666

09-04-2008, 10:47 PM

:stoned:

This is really impressive!
How big is the plant now? Which size do you have on your pots?

Do you think they are rotbound?

*Sorry if I'm misspelling, I am swedish...

Puffzter

09-04-2008, 11:00 PM

No they are not rootbound but there are a lot of roots in the pots natrually. 6.5 litre pots but I do grow with coco, you can't use that small pots in a soil grow. With coco you can but you have to water them very frequently to keep the medium from drying up which is a bad thing with coco. A soil grow would take at least double sized pots to stay clear of problems.
I have lifted them out of the pots and it looks fine.
They grow normally and none have any issues what so ever.

I'll take a picture of the rootsystem and post later.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-04-2008, 11:50 PM

Here you go.
Plant 5s rootsystem in 6.5 litre coco. Day 30 Flower.
Growing in coco is in fact a hydro grow. All nutes comes added with the hydroponic solution which is the water/nute mix. The coco only serves as a medium to hold the moisture for a while and keep the roots moist and food availible. As long as there is room for the rootmass and there is enough coco to KEEP the roots from drying out you wont go rootbound.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/7fac7a0b.jpg

Puffzter

hatecable

09-05-2008, 01:34 AM

I love that plant right there. Gimme about 10 min in a closet with it and we'll be good to go.

I got my airflow figured out pretty good i think. I have a standard vent shroud that kinda angles the air into the middle of the cab and then the lower fan creates a bit of turbulance before it gets sucked out the top. Also I made my cab seal completely except for the intake and exhaust. There is a slight negative pressure so that you can hear the change when the doors shut and it can hold a small sheet of paper against the back of the intake. Oh and the intake has a super filter that is supposed to stop pollen and allergens so Im not worried about bugs getting in unless i open the doors. I do need to read up some more on what the expect out of the WW though. Right now I know its a light feeder.. and I really want to smoke it:D

Puffzter

09-05-2008, 01:54 AM

It is hard to burn it once it is 2-3 weeks above ground so WWs can be fed a lot, true.
Sounds like u did a good job on your arflow m8.

About growth.
I don't know what genetics your WWs are (what breeder do they come from?) but if they are anything like mine unFIM'd plants will start their first stretch period around 4 weeks after they broke ground. For 10-14 days they grow insanelly then. 1½-2 inches/day then slow down and 10 days later I got a one week stretch period again aftr that they kept on normal growth again.
My FIM'd one had the same periods but less explosive stretching. 1-1.5 inch/day.

Puffzter

hatecable

09-05-2008, 02:22 AM

That sounds like even more of a reason to fim. If it slows down the stretching yet you get more cola's, I dont think you could ask for much more. I had contemplated fiming twice, or maybe just toping the second time. If it does create 6 new tops then you topped it would put 2 on each of those. Im not sure if that would be too much, maybe for my growth space. I thnk weedhound topped twice for her monsters she's been working on. I know I dont have room for one of those for sure.

Puffzter

09-07-2008, 12:02 AM

My flowers are fattening up really well now especially on 3 of the plants.
I am starting to get buds proper instead of flowers. Hi hi hi. Happy times.
It sucks I don't have a camera good enough for extreme close-ups.

The smell is just wonderful. The closest I can come to describe it is that they smell like a room does after you mopped your floors with a cleaning product with lemon in it. Very fresh smell. :)
Touching the buds makes your fingers nicelly sticky as well.
Gonna be really interesting to see what the coming days and weeks will do to my plants.

Puffzter

hatecable

09-07-2008, 12:20 AM

I swear, they need to invent scratch 'n sniff pictures for computers. That sounds awesome. For that matter, tell them to go ahead with the scratch 'n toke pictures too.

Puffzter

09-07-2008, 01:32 AM

Could'nt resist shooting a few more pics of my white white White Widows. :P

Maybe lucky I don't have kids yet. If I pampered them as much as these plants they would turn out fucked up for sure. hehe

Plant 5 (FIM'd one)
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0525.jpg

Overview of some sidebranches flowers:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0524.jpg

Two bad attempts to shoot plant 4 bud.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0508.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0505.jpg

Puffzter

painretreat

09-07-2008, 01:47 AM

Puffzter: What an amazing first grow! I am endlessly entertained by your skill and of course, your new hobby! Very impressive. And what else for: gratitude of self!! Great accomplishment. That is one heck of a long bud!!! I am so impressed. Looking for some clones now!! 2 hard to get right now, a lot of legal stuff in Calif. right now. Too late for seeds and was too hot last week!

I need excel and have no idea as to piratebay. Perhaps, mastering the PC should be my first project. Somehow, I won't find that equally as satisfying until I've had my:silly: gro! :woohoo:

I love the new avatar!!! It was so cute had me laugh right off the bat! Is that your kitty! Cutie?? Pr :jointsmile:

Thanks so much for all the info. much appreciated!! Pr

Puffzter

09-07-2008, 03:09 AM

Thanks Pain.
Well I am a cat person for sure. I see it as impossible to have a home ever without a cat in it.
The one on my avatar is not mine but I do have two, Pepsi and Sprite. I'll post a picture of them some time. <3

Puffzter

BDDGrow

09-08-2008, 11:14 AM

hey puffzter just droppin by on your log, good work on those buds mate, how long away from harvesting are you now?

Puffzter

09-08-2008, 12:58 PM

Last in this post is a link to an updated detailed grow log. Excel.

BDDGrow:
This is day 33 since I flipped to 12/12 so 3-4 weeks I'd say. But I won't let anything but the actual state of the plants decide when I harvest so we'll see. I rather keep them a week or two extra than harvest early after all this work. ;)

Also, I have choosen my future genetics today. The WW plant 4 will be grandmother of my White Widows from now on. Her clones are being made into mother plants as we speak.

Pro's of plant 4: Earliest to flower. By far biggest flowers. Very good resin production. Her daughters will produce damn fine colas as well as good weed I am sure.

Con's: Way too stretchy to grow untrained indoors but from now on it will be clone SoGs so I think I can handle it.

The remaining clones were :sorry1: thrown today. That felt bad but what to do? Now I have 3 plants in my nursery.
101-0808 : Hindu Kush being trained into mother plant. Not sex coded yet and I only suspect it is a female right now. A week back a male showed up and this one put in the ground at same time as that one haven't shown sex so it should be female. Time will tell for sure.
004-002-0808-F : Clone of plant 4 WW. Being trained into a mother.
004-002-001-0809-F: Clone of the WW above. Also being trained into a mother.

Codes are explained in the Excel sheets but roughly first cluster is strain and serial number. Following clusters are for generations of clones. Last numerical cluster is yymm (year/month) they were started and last letter sex. Think that system will be ok. Thought it out to be able to follow everything I grow in the future back to original seed. The excel sheet has a history section were info about every individual is put in. So in 3 years I can come back and see what happened to the genetics over generations of cloning.
Dunno if I will but IF I still grow it will be valuable informaton.

Link to detailed grow diary in excel:

http://www.savefile.com/files/1775677

Puffzter

Shovelhandle

09-08-2008, 01:26 PM

Sorry, I can access that link, Puff.

Puffzter

09-08-2008, 01:48 PM

Same Shovel, dunno what's wrong. However, copy the link as text and paste it into your browser and it works.

www.savefile.com/files/1775677

Puffzter

daihashi

09-08-2008, 02:42 PM

I just started my first coco grow myself. I'm treating it like hydro and watering with ph 5.9-6.0 water. Can you tell me what PH you used to water your plants?

I'll be hand watering through veg and setting up a home made drip ring system for flowering set up on a timer to water about 2-3 times a day. Just to keep it nice and evenly moist with a flush every 4-5 weeks.

Let me know about the PH, I would greatly appreciate it. I think I'm doing everything right so far and just want to see what you did since your plants grew so healthy looking.

Puffzter

09-08-2008, 03:48 PM

I keep pH 5.5-5.7
And yes you do right by treating your coco grow as a hydro because that is what it is.
Good luck m8 and thanks for the kind words.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-10-2008, 11:39 PM

Day 36 bloom.
Now its time to nuke these babies.
The plan is to go extremelly hard on nutes for about two weeks now. In 6-7 days I will flush them and directly renute the coco with the same strong nute mix. The flush is to get rid of the saltbuild up that is ineviteble (spelling) with this hard nuking.
After this period I will go down to 1300-1400ppm again until they are very close to ready (should be about a week at 1300-1400) for harvest and then flush them the last 3-4 days and also keep them in darkness the last 36 hours to degrade some chlorophyll.
I will harvest at 50-80% amber.

Now, the strength I uped to today is a stunning 1850ppm above tapwater. A total of 2100ppm!
I have had them on 1600 above tapwater (total 1850) before with no signs of overnuting so we'll see how this goes. If its too hard I go down a tad but they will get it hard for two weeks now.
Also raised the pH to 5.8 to give them better access to the nutes. Gonna be interesting to see if they are smoking tomorrow at lights on, hehe...

Puffzter

rsxesevah

09-11-2008, 02:47 AM

Very impressive!!! I have been reading through your log and it is really motivating me to get one of those growing tents. Seems to definitely be worth the investment. Where'd you get yours??

painretreat

09-11-2008, 07:41 AM

My goodness, you have really researched and figured this out. I have read coco will increase the effectiveness of nutes! But followed with the flushing, freq. sounds like a good plan and will be very interesting! I think people in some other logs would mail you coco! lol

I am so impressed with all you have done with such little time! IMPRESSED!! I can't rep again, but gonna try!:thumbsup: :jointsmile: pr

I know you studied this all extensively (as I recall your thread and do not re-read each time-this time, but look a pix): And over 3 mos. Was it 24/7 study? I've been reading, etc and have still yet to get (weather permiting) the balls you got! Or it is brains, sorry! Do you mind telling me what all you studied? I think I need to study same way! And just get top grade for my area female seeds and go for it. Plus a few strays from some friends for special need buds! If I study as well and hard as you--it should be just fine!!:D thanz for the learning!!! U iz :cool:

Puffzter

09-11-2008, 10:09 AM

Rsxesevah:
Thanks for taking an interest m8. The grow tent I use is a Secret Jardin Darkroom. It is very good with a lot of options as to how you want to direct the airflow etc. Also possible to access the plants from 3 sides so you dont need to take all out to reach a plant in the back. It is coated in Mylar on all surfaces inside from factory. :D

Pain:
My love on CanCom. (If you are a chick :P)
Well when my interest was hooked I started with reading some basics on growers forums just to understand some essentials and after that watched a few movies. Jose Cervantes made two that are very good for basic knowledge for exemple. After that I was really interested and almost cut back on my sleeping time for a month just consuming articles about more and more advanced techniques and genetics etc. One thing I always use as a guideline when studying something is that nothing is true until it is verified from more than one source and on internet u need to triple that so I kept on reading so much that it was hard to find more. Started to stumble over the same stuff more and more. CanCom, Icmag, rollitup.org, uk420.com, youtube, pirate bay and much much more. I vacumed the internet. :) I also found some materials from commercial professional growers that I actually started to understand whith the knowledge I had collected. It was jibberish when I looked at it at first and I didn't get just why they did as they did but now I do and can use what is possible to apply on small scale ops as my own. Some of this is easy to find. For exemple search on Green house on youtube or Pirate bay and you will find some info from Arjan posted directly by them. Arjan is one of the best growers/breeders alive imho. Other info is harder to get but always possible.

It's fun to sniff around for more, find something new. Try to verify it. And ofc to finally put it to practise.
I started quite simple and the goal with the first time around is to see what works and not. Problem is I had so few problems I haven't had to solve a lot. :P I also wanted a "grow as you please" grow first time to see for myself how the plants develop when left to grow as they want. I did FIM one as a reference but 4 are left more or less untouched. Well 2 also had to be stopped when they tried to grow through the roof. hehe.

Anyway thats the storry of my waken month(s) in Mj growing "school".
In real life I studied first science and after that economics and law by the way. I was a racedriver as well but crashed after some years of international racing in Europe, broke my back (quite low luckilly)and are home with tons of time to spare so that's why I needed a close to home hobby that is interesting and I can throw myself at.

Hmm, another novel sized post. Sorry.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-11-2008, 01:23 PM

LOL!
They took it like a charm. No nute burns at a stunning 2100ppm. These bitches know how to eat!
So what happened during the last 12 ours at that nute level is that they made CRYSTALS like mad. The difference just these last 12 hours is insane. If I can keep this nute level up for two weeks, and I don't see why not, and then ease off as I stated in my plan 2 posts ago I will have some mean buds at harvest.
I took a pic with the crap camera in HPS light just to give an idea. In white light from the flash at lights out tonight you will see them sparkling. The HPS light makes it impossible to get a good pic of that but use some imagination until then.
:D :D :D :D :D

A top on plant 4:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/de6cece9.jpg

Puffzter

daihashi

09-11-2008, 01:27 PM

holy crap dude.. that is sexy as hell. What a big difference that is.

Puffzter

09-12-2008, 01:35 AM

First thing I do when I have cash to spare is buy a real camera instead of the $100 crap I have here. :(

Out of 30-40 pix these are the best. Sorry.

Day 37 12/12...

4 of the 6 colas of plant 5 with some of the other plants in the background:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0545.jpg

Cola plant 1 with some random buds around it:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0546.jpg

I hope you get the general idea at least. Too much white (if that's possible on the buds now so this shit camera only translates it all into white blur.

Puffzter

MediJuana

09-12-2008, 03:26 AM

Just make sure you give em a good flushing, with all the nutes you're using you dont want to risk the taste of the genetics too much. The article in the last hightimes to come out is very informative check it out :thumbsup:

Puffzter

09-12-2008, 04:07 AM

Ye.
I know, and as I said a few posts back they will be kept supernuted for only two weeks now, then I ease off a bit until the flush before harvest. :)
High Times is not on shelves arounf Europe by the way. :(
Information is readilly availible for those who seeks though and that I always do.

My general plan of how I will handle the remaining time of this grow is decided on now and from here on in it's all about reacting to problems which I hope wont occure.

Thanks for checking in by the way, always glad to see a new face.

Puffzter

painretreat

09-12-2008, 04:26 AM

Hi Cyber sweetheart,
Right, good guess, female!
Those new pix, jump right out and tickle my nose!! Nothing wrong with that camera!!! Especially, the operator!
I use to have a neighbor that was retired race driver :thumbsup:. He also made professional race tracks around the world. His son now makes the tracks. :thumbsup: I had him make one in my yard to put the ATV kids on a professional race track and off the roads! It worked! He had pictures of teaching Loretta Lynn to drive and all kinds of people he met while driving.:D He even taugh me how to drive better to hit a cow instead of roll my vehicle to avoid it!! A lot more to it than anyone could possibly imagine. Ever do the Baja--watched this years, was good! :cool:

Hope U don't mind off topic. You get me so excited about growing, I can't stand it! Imagine. . . .

This is such a fantastic grow!!! ;) Once again, thank you for so much more info! I have only scratched the surface on the books. Is High Times illegal there (want a copy)?:)

That is the perfect hobby for your work! My neighbor had many back surgeries! He used beer and whatever else for his pain, you have a big leg up!
Catch ya later, I need to call a sick friend.
PR

Puffzter

09-12-2008, 02:33 PM

Pain:
High Times is natrually not illegal its just not sold. Think distribution will be too expensive/sold copy tbh.

And offtopic is allowed in my thread. :) I will only "moderate" it if it truly gets out of hand. I mean part of the reason I post a log is to get to know some ppl here as well.

And work I haven't since. I am motorically ok. Well wheelchair ofc but I can stand up aven walk a few steps but very badly and only a few meters. However my back is my problem. I crushed it quite badly and It keeps me off the job market as I can't really be away more than an hour or two regularilly. Social security is quite good here though so I can live quite well compared to many others around the globe in the same situation.

Well.
What ya think about the 4 visible colas of that plant 5 by the way? :D And it still has 3 weeks minimum to ge hehe. There is a 5th not visible on that pic that is just as big as the biggest visible and a 6th that is a bit smaller.
The other plants natrually have big ones as well but since they are not FIM'd they only got one a piece and a bit bigger buds on the side branches which the FIMd one hasen't really.
Gonna be interesting to compare results between the plants in the end.

Puffzter

hatecable

09-13-2008, 07:55 AM

oh man.. those look tasty. Recently Ive just been laying in the room with my cab and soaking in the smell. The WW smells so dank yet clean and mine isnt even booming yet! Its just so much bud dude! Its so inspiring to see a first time grower having so much success. I may have to find my way over there when you get that mass harvested:D:thumbsup:

Puffzter

09-13-2008, 03:20 PM

Thanks man. I am very happy here. :)

Was out yesterday and a friend had gotten some G13 Haze with her from Amsterdam and for some reason drunk as I was and knowing better I thought that was a 80% Sativa when I in fact know it is a 80% Indica. I hit that joint with a vengeance and one of the worlds strongest weed combined with it being a heavy Indica put me in a cab fighting hard to stay awake until I was home. Man that shit baked me.
Colors and patterns exploding in front of my eyes even. lol. Bad judgement combined with a LONG break and half a pure joint of the strongest weed in the world in a few minutes = end of evening. :P

Anyway, back to my WWs.
They are fattening up and producing tons of resin now. When grabbing the stems a bit under the buds and moving them back and forth you can really feel the weight of the colas.

Today is day 38 of 12/12. I keep them in 45-55% Humidity, 25-28 degrees C (about 77-82 F) and pH5.8 now. Nutes as I said is VERY hard. 1850ppm above tapwater a total of 2100ppm and they are loving it.

Puffzter

jakezking

09-13-2008, 03:47 PM

Puffz, it sounds like all is well with you, my friend! Sometimes it's a good thing to push the reset button in your brain like it sounds you did with the libations and G13! Glad to hear you made it home safe and sound. It's good catching up with you a bit through your posts.

Your WWs are looking incredible. That Plant 5 has been a wild woman for awhile now, and she's looking quite frosty these days. I can't believe all of those huge buds! She's sporting some serious bazoombas for certain. I'm glad to see they're drinking down all of that high powered fire water you're throwing at them. I'm sure you'll see some incredible growth, and it sounds like you should be able to flush all of the fire water out to save what should be some really sweet tastin' smoke.

Cheers! Take good care out there!

danish

09-13-2008, 04:20 PM

Hejsan Svejsan give a shout and ill help you with any leftover bud... j/k it looks frikkin awsum bro...

once im through living with other people i think ill copy your project only ill make it a solid box instead of tent because that result looks sooooo good... hope my own widows turn out half as nice

Puffzter

09-13-2008, 04:42 PM

Jake:
Nice to see you back man. And ye I sure made up for lost time yesterday but not in a very smart way. :P
Thanks for the kind words about my babies also.

Danish:
You're welcome m8. A weekend of WW Guitarr Hero and a couple of movies after harvest, he? ;)
I was thinking about a solid box as well but I would need help putting that together and I want to minimize the people knowing about the op so I went for a tent, haven't looked back since. The Secret Jardins are very very nice and make it possible to choose very precicelly how you want to direct the airflow, there are just so many vent holes that you can close and open as you see fit. Also there are openings on both sides and the front so you can reach in and work on the plants easilly.
The last thing would be that when you move or are not growing you can just pull it down in 10 minutes and pack it up.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-14-2008, 05:38 PM

Got a couple of pics of plant 1 and 2 which I haven't really posted any pics of before in any decent quality so here you go.

Day 39 12/12.

All plants 100% healthy and putting on more and more weight. :D

Plant 1 Cola
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0561.jpg

Plant 2 cola
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0565.jpg

Plant 2 cola close up. Trichs don't show as white in the HPS light so you have to imagine how sparkly they are in white light. ;)
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0566.jpg

Puffzter

danish

09-14-2008, 08:32 PM

That sounds like a done deal, i believe i can master 2frames of Red Bull and then i will bring a shitload of coffee and some beer.

About the box it will not take that long to tear apart, ill see if can sketch it up for you cause its only gonna be about 10 screws till you can flatpack it the way im going to build it.

Those plants is starting to look dank as something out of a dream, keep that stuff going that way cause you definately got talent.

Puffzter

09-14-2008, 09:08 PM

Well I can construct a box no problems but to actually put it up and tear it down from a wheelchair would be a bit of a bitch that's why. ;)
I can stand up short periods and but that would still be much tougher than with a grow tent so I went with a tent.
Also the Secret Jardin has mylar coating inside and is plug and play so put it up, hang lights and ventillation and grow plants. Tear it down, pack it in a small box and put it away when you want.

And welcome man. Would b a blast for sure. :D

Puffzter

greenatik

09-14-2008, 11:03 PM

hey puff, definitely enjoying the show, WW is the shit...

but it seems as if I see nute burn? not positive but just lookin out, one 12 hr dark period and my plant was fried although it looked extremely healthy before hand.

cant wait to see it all finish up and get smoked :D

Puffzter

09-14-2008, 11:24 PM

Not nuteburns but some yellowing of some leaftips on a few fan leaves.
The burns I have seen before has always been brown as burned but this is not like that.
It is only on the highest fanleaves and I think it rather is from so much nutricion is used up by putting weight into the buds than anything else.
Colors are a bit screwed up when I photo in HPS light. In reality it looks like the green is coming out of those high fanleaves slightly.
Wont that normally happen as the plants grow closer to completion?

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-15-2008, 01:18 AM

Updated detailed grow op info.

General grow op info
WW grow info day by day in detail.
Hindu Kush mother plant info day by day
WW clones in training to be mother plants info day by day.

It's an excel sheet.
Enjoy and give feedback please.
Link:
Free file hosting by Savefile.com (http://www.savefile.com/files/1787748)

Puffzter

painretreat

09-15-2008, 04:06 AM

hi Puff:
Pictures look pretty good to me. I didn't mean, that because my neighbor used beer for his race driver pain, you had too!! lol--bet that was the best sleep you've had in awhile!! Good for you!

Hope you are not expected to be in that wheel chair a lot longer? Please tell me-you will heal well!! Use your cannibis to make sure!

I had some sort of cupcake mmj yesterday late morning. A co-op gives samples to new people in the Education Group. It was really nice for back pain. My head was straight and my back--nice! Too bad it wore off! I doubt the cupcake was calorie free either!

We'll c about a high time for you!

How long do you think you'll be laid up! What did the other person look like, just joken!

Its' your thread, any pix of it? Without you in them, of course!

Will look in later! I just love this grow! And the farmer! You are a kind person! pr :thumbsup:

greenatik

09-15-2008, 04:30 AM

Puffzter

09-15-2008, 11:19 AM

...
Hope you are not expected to be in that wheel chair a lot longer? Please tell me-you will heal well!! Use your cannibis to make sure!
...
We'll c about a high time for you!

How long do you think you'll be laid up! What did the other person look like, just joken!

Its' your thread, any pix of it? Without you in them, of course!

Will look in later! I just love this grow! And the farmer! You are a kind person! pr :thumbsup:

Well broken backs with following nerve damage is for life so my chair and me is a team from now on in.

There are a few things I didn't understand Pain. What do you want pics of? What other person do you mean?
Probably just me that is misreading in some way but I don't get it even when I read back. :(

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-15-2008, 11:25 AM

yo puff... well IME natural yellowing starts to occur first on the lower leaves. but if your pumping them that much nutrition no yellowing should take place until flush. except lower leaves receiving less light

but like you said the hps throws the color off a lot, so I could be completely wrong, but i'd be concerned about yellowing tips..

the best bet would be to browse some nute burn pics and find out :D

i'll be here for the rest of the grow though :jointsmile:

Ye might just do that m8. I've seen nuteburns before I mean and this looks nothing like it. The yellowing is not even always on the tips of the leaves some spots starts far out on the leaves close to the tips but nothing like any nuteburn I ever saw.
Salt Build up maybe. Or light burns even. I did have some leaves showing similar signs after they grew into the HPS earlier in the grow.
Anyway I am keeping a very close eye on it and will natrually check for info on what it can be. For now though (it has been like that since before I started the hard nute period) I am quite certain it is nothing too bad since the plants grow very very well indeed but it still would be very interesting to find out just what it is.

Stinky? :D

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-15-2008, 09:47 PM

Damn!
These plants are gonna tip over before this is done.
Weight of the colas are just about to do it already.
Day 41 12/12 atm so still far to go. It's impossible to not start to think about yeild now. I would not be surprised if plant 5 alone will give me over 100grams (close to 4 ounces). The weight of those colas are really big you can feel it when you wiggle the stems :D
The other plants have also added a lot of weight and are struggling to stand up.

Nice problem he?
Hi hi.

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

09-15-2008, 10:41 PM

From what I am seeing you will get 4 ounces plus per plant:thumbsup:

Unfortunatly I am not a hydro grower so I don't want to guess what happened with those leaves but if it stopped dont worry then.

JG

Puffzter

09-15-2008, 11:43 PM

Well I wont get that much I think but I am hoping for close to 12-14 total. It would still be insanelly good and keep me with weed for over a year which is kinda cool when you think about it having only used a single square metre.
Anyway I don't care so much about the actual amount of weed I get but it adds to the excitement for sure and to see these heavy leaning plants that have developed in my walk in closet from 5 tiny seeds is such a joy in itself.
My project, my secret. Now that's the cool thing with this. :D
And ofc that I will get some dope from it is another positive in the end hehe.

Puffzter

painretreat

09-16-2008, 06:12 AM

Hi Puff: Here in the states, we have a thing: When we see someone that looks like hell, beaten up-black eye or something--we ask jokingly about the 'other person' and how they look! In your case, it is the car, I'd say! I was curious of the pictures of the car!

Sorry to hear it is permanent and glad you have such a rewarding hobby you love. I think, in your case, you will not be able to hold yourself back from starting another grow soon. It is addictive, isn't it!

You have such a good attitude for your condition, I commend you!! You seem like a very nice person, whether you have a w/c or not! So many are bitter! It is a pleasure to know you!
Cindy :thumbsup:

Puffzter

09-16-2008, 11:23 AM

PainR
Motorcycle actually. I was a bike racer.
And it, almost, did'nt take any damage at all in the crash.
I have totalled so many bikes in my life and stood up without a scratch on me so obviously when I finally do get it hard the bike walks away with just a blemish :P
Oh and ofc I will start another grow. It is due to start as soon as the current ones are cut down and tent is cleaned spotless again. I'd be surprised if the growtent will be empty for more than 12 hours to be honest.

Next grow will be a clone SoG. Probably toped plants not FIMd. 2 colas per plant and 16 plants. That's the plan anyway.
I will be using European growers toy number one at the moment the Nutriculture Amazon for that as it seems. I get a unit in a couple of weeks.
Nutriculture Amazon Aeroponic System: Basement Lighting Hydroponics and Plant Grow Lights (http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/NCAZ)

It's really sweet and the measurement is perfect for a growtent. I have seen some pretty sick grows come out of these units in growlogs on European forums.

Puffzter
ps I'll try to get a few acceptable pics of the plants at lights on today

Puffzter

09-16-2008, 01:43 PM

Some pictures to ease up on all text.

This is day 41 of 12/12 and as usual it's from crap cam. I am really sad I can't capture the sparkling nature of my plants with my camera. Its either a yellowy green or a white mess but anyway here we go.
Bottle on 2 of the pics is a 1.5 litre (50 Oz).

Plant 5 and one of its 6 colas:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0576.jpg

Plant 1 cola this one as well as plant 2 and 4 is just sparkling all over but ye don't show :( :
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0577.jpg

Plant 2 cola:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/74c1900c.jpg

My Hindu Kush Bonzai mother plant project:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0589.jpg

And last one of my 2 WW Bonzai motherplants in the making:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0590.jpg

Puffzter

hatch

09-16-2008, 03:43 PM

Looking Good Bro!!! They Are Starting To Swell Up!!! Going To Be Some Nice-Ass Cola's!!!!!! Best Of Luck!!!:rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastas moke:

painretreat

09-17-2008, 07:20 AM

Oh Puff! You are my hero!

Such a kind spirit. To go through what u have been and seemingly-no bitterness! What an angel! I can't rep you, or would my addy. Will get you a magazine! With all your skill, you don't need it, but I bet you'd love to read it!

Thanks for the new picture's--looking really nice! You don't do anything half assed! What spirit! It is contagious!! Thanks for being a bright spot in my life!! And the most encouragement and motivational person I've met! You have had me so excited about my next grow season, it isn't funny!

thanks to you my friend!! pr :thumbsup:

Puffzter

09-17-2008, 02:00 PM

Ok.
I got some leafdamage around the colas of plant one and two now. Some starting on plant 4 as well.
It does not look like nute burn still and I was quite sure it was salt build ups.
Seems confirmed now.
I flushed as scheduled after a week of my super nute period and...
Flush was done with tapwater 81 degree F (to solve more salts) at 260ppm pH5.7 .
The runoff from this flush had pH5.7 but 2300ppm hehe. That means the flush water disolved a LOT of salts from the medium and hence they will get pH corrected water for at least 2 more waterings until runoff is down on around 1500 and then I will go back on nutes but a little bit lower. Say around 1800-1900ppm for a week and flush again and resume my scheduled plan for the end of the growth with around one week at 1300-1400ppm followed by 3-4 days flush and 36 hours of darkness before harvest.

I have learned and collected a lot of data from this last week about what these babies can take and what happens with the medium. I knew I would get a salt problem sooner or later at those insane nute levels but the buds have gained a LOT of weight as well and since I knew I was on the edge I always watered until 20-30% runoff but is still kept on adding salts to the coco.
So the deduction from this is that yes it is a good idea to go really hard on nutes during this period but levels has to be corrected a bit and I need to do a flush every 5 days or so next time.

This is data I bring with me to my future grows :D

All plants are healthy and keep adding weight to the buds at a fast rate. Even though I do have some leaf damage now. Not to worry, they are fine and are well cared for hehe.

Puffzter

hydrocannabis

09-17-2008, 09:14 PM

dammm they look great.:thumbsup:

danish

09-18-2008, 09:54 AM

Puff: sorry about the blemish damage on the bike it could atleast have had the curtesy be totaled since you got "totaled" ...

For the plants its looking damn good, i would love to see you treat some clones from my pot bushes because i have seen what i got from them.
The 2x we harvested gave a combined aprox. 200g or something (filled up coffeecan)
Anyways keep up the good work, i allready prepped my guitarhero skills :P

joedirte

09-18-2008, 11:34 AM

Puffzter

09-18-2008, 01:00 PM

Danish::
Don't train too much man I am just 37/42 Hard hehe.

Joe:
I've been racing roadracing and Monobike but my passion was always Supermoto and that's what I did on a serious level. The crash was in a 20y table top on a mx track. And I have crashed on that exact spot certainly 50 times before over the years. But ye when everything goes wrong the same second...
And don't get me wrong it's better that the bike is ok than totalled just Ironic it is ok the time I am smashed up.
I still have it. It is after all a bike that brought me a lot of success. Thinking about making it crisp and put it in my livingroom.

Puffzter

joedirte

09-18-2008, 01:30 PM

ahh right on for shairing your story. i was never into dirt, but you sound pretty good. thats cool you still got your bike. right on Mr.Puff.:thumbsup:

trinitybound

09-19-2008, 01:12 AM

WOW! Puffzter your girls are looking great. With results like your getting you might have to setup a screen of green next time, to keep those plump hotties from falling over. I've been using a soil less sunshine mix for awhile now but those coco results have me thinking about trying that out.
You definitely are on the road to breeding. Chimera does some great work geared toward people like us, he also wrote an excellent chapter on breeding in Jorge Cervantes medical growing book.
Looks like a very nice harvest is on the way. Have you tried any edibles? With all that herb your going to have, cooking would be a great way to put it to use. :D

Puffzter

09-19-2008, 02:03 AM

Hi trinity and thanks for the kind words.
Well I am not going ScrOG next time but I certainly will at some point.
Next time will be an aeroponics SoG of 16 plants.
And about coco you should definitelly try it out. Growth is just insane and it is very easy to manage imo. And you are in perfect control of the feeding with instant reaction time of the medium if you just read up on the basics of it.

About breeding that is surelly something I would love to do but I as I am living there is just no space for it. If I breed I wanna do it right with a vast selection of plants to get the best possible genetics from the strains I choose to work with.

Well yeah I expect I will have weed for over a year just from this grow so I will certainly cook/bake some. I am also planning on doing some bubble hash to see how well that works out for me.
Exciting times ahead. :D
Mothers are ready to clone more than I need from now so just waiting for my ladies to finish and my aeroponics system to be delivered.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-19-2008, 02:53 PM

Day 44 12/12...

Yeah they did take a pounding from the salts but they kept on putting on weight really well even going through that.
Plant 1 took it the worst and I took away some really resinous leaves around the cola today that was quite damaged. Plant 4 also got hurt but not as much.
Both of these are growing really damn well though so I am not worried. They have been pushed hard and wear the scars to prove it now but they have come through with flying colors and are doing what they should.
Tough little soldiers.

Pic plant 4 bud. This plant make the hardest and most compact nugs and colas. VERY frosty even though I can't capture it.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0594.jpg

Pic plant 1 cola. Compare with the last pic post I did and you can see how much weight it put on the last three days. Also a very damn frosty plant with a super nice cola.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0591.jpg

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-19-2008, 04:45 PM

Woha, as I said I trimmed off some damaged leaves around a few colas and buds earlier.
They were quite sticky so I put them on a plate and dried them on slow in the microwave for 15 minutes.

These leaves packed quite a punch hihi. Better than most shit you find on the streets for sure. Didn't try a lot but got a niiice buzz from just a few tokes.

Puffzter

daihashi

09-19-2008, 07:10 PM

Very nice!!!

I'm so glad there is another active coco grower here for me to look at their logs. Those plants are looking very nice despite the problems you had.

Surprisingly my plants that suffered a week of hell are also bouncing back very quickly. It's only been 1 day and 3-4 of them are starting to look healthy again, the rest are lagging but I bet will catch up soon.

Coco is an amazing medium, it's got the instataneous benefits of hydro with some of the benefits of soil (such as slight buffering and keeping the roots warm... etc etc.)

I don't think I'll ever be going back to soil again... and I'm not sure I'll even bother moving onto hydro. I've been so impressed with this medium.

I'll be watching this thread like a hawk now that I have power restored.

Weezard

09-19-2008, 08:05 PM

And about coco you should definitelly try it out. Growth is just insane and it is very easy to manage imo. And you are in perfect control of the feeding with instant reaction time of the medium if you just read up on the basics of it.

Puffzter

Puffzter, I am impressed!
You made me go out and buy some coco.

Used to use Supersoil in California. Got reasonable results.
Found out that it's a bad idea in the tropics.
Every bag comes with millions of Fungus Gnats. No extra charge.:D

So, messed around with Rockwool and Hydrotron for 1 grow.
Better, still not great. The Hydrotron gave me PH problems.

Built a few aeroponics units out of plastic waste baskets.
Water pump in the bottom and an airstone to keep the water sweet.
Worked a treat! Did keep the roots a little too wet though.

Got some WW in DWC right now.

I like simple, and easy.
'cause I'm a bit simple and a lot lazy.:)
So the latest experiment is elegant and cheap.
A 6 gallon, (about 26 L.) bucket, a 6" Netpot and some cotton string.
I loop the string through the bottom of the netpot so it hangs down about 20cm. and wicks the water up to the pot.
Strings do not even have to reach the surface 'cause the bubbling splashes them.
The pot is filled with Rockwool cubes. I put 2 large airstones in the bucket and feed them from an aquarium air pump (about $8. USD). I get the buckets free.
So each unit costs about $12.
No timer, no water pump, no ebb, no flow, no leaks, just grow.
The results, even using a 42W LED array as the only light, so far, (19 days veg) are superb!
Thanks to your efforts, I'm building 4 more DWC units with coco in the netpots.
Your work is very much appreciated.
Mahalo nui loa for sharing.
Absolutely beautiful grow!:greenthumb::greenthumb:

Beeg Aloha from da Beeg Guy's Land.
Wee Zard

Jerry Garcia 2007

09-19-2008, 08:49 PM

Looking very nice Puffzter,

They are getting pretty massive already. I know they are W/W but remind me of the THCB I grew. The colas in that grow looked almost exactly like that. I am not saying they are not WW but just interesting:thumbsup:

As you are aware my babies are at the same length into the flower cycle but my buds are not that big. I am a soil grower but I think I went wrong by leaving them in the 2 gallon pots to long. Lesson Learned:(

Also great work on your log:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: finding the limits of each plant for future reference is a great idea and will pay off big-time in the future.

JG

Puffzter

09-19-2008, 10:17 PM

Hey guys and thanks for checking in. :)

Daihashi:
I certainly share that sentiment. I can not understand what would be the reason to use soil indors. There are just no benefits imo. Only thing would be you cant write ecological in your thread all the time hehe. More dirty, heavier, less aerating, slower reaction, inevitably slower groth rates and you cant keep the plants "eating" at a constant rate. You flood and keep them in a wet mess for some days, then perfect a couple of days and then too dry for a few days and then start over again. That's just how you have to do it in soil. It's not bad or anything but surelly not as good. And coco cost nothing. However you do need to water MUCH more frequently and without an automated system you are bound to your plants and ofc you need to handle nutes a bit more.

Weezard:
Nice to hear man. I'll stand behind coco any day of the week as an insanelly good medium to grow in.
I was during the month I studied Mj growing around the clock more and more convinced about it and after seeing just how violently roots grow throught this medium I am really sure this is it for pot growers. I was on a scandinavian forum before and there coco growing spread very fast through the members after a few growers had written logs about it's benefits as well and now a huge portion of the growers are using it.
I am going aeroponics next grow to try out a nice system but that has nothing to do with me not liking what I see in my bloom chambre. More about me being curious. :D

Jerry, my man:
I don't remember exactly how long you were in 2 gallon pots off the bat but everything over 6-8 weeks since sprouting/rooting and you risk running into problems with 2 gallons of soil slowed down growth might start even a bit earlier.
I just have to say , this post being a love declaration to coco and all, that I am growing in 1.8 gallon pots, hihi.

I do check you guys logs all the time and by that I really mean all the time. I have stolen a lot of tips and techniques from people here when it is possible to use for me and I have used a lot of the information I see as reference which has been insanelly valuable.
My biggest reason for spending so much time on can.com is the insanelly friendly athmosphere here. There is alot of knowledge on all cannabis cultivation forums around the world but nowhere I found myself as at home as here.

<3

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

09-19-2008, 10:40 PM

Yeah I left them in 2 gallon pots up until 3 weeks ago:( I was freaking out about space because I ended up with way to many females, but the extra plants will make up for the smaller yield per plant:) I fully expect to get around the same yield as last grow so I am happy.

They are starting to swell now and looking realy frosty:thumbsup: Now the only problem is I can't take pics because it is such a jungle in there. HEHEHE.

Ill keep checking in.

JG

joedirte

09-19-2008, 11:51 PM

puff, your plants are sweelling up NICE! are you still using those tiny pots/ not transplanted?!?! i might try some coco now...

weezzrd, i would look at what killa's doing with hempy buckets. im thinking of putting these two grows together for a simple and vigorous hydro setup.

Puffzter

09-20-2008, 12:33 AM

I am still in the 1.8 gallon pots I originally planted the seeds in hehe. Never transplanted these babies a single time.
They are now 77 days old, 45 in 12/12. You don't go rootbound in coco very easy, it is possible but you can use less than half size the pots that you can with soil.
However.
You need to water a lot. I never go more than 18 hours and normally 12-14h. So, if you wanna use coco and still want to be able to leave your plants for more than a day now and then you need some sort of feeding system.

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-21-2008, 10:58 PM

Bit of an accident today.
I had to tie up some colas before the plants tip over from the weight but I accidently broke of two branches from plant 4 with some nice buds on them. :(

They are hung to dry now and the supersticky trim is drying as well.
Will give me some nice smoke for sure but still...

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/e9e83f66.jpg

Puffzter

Shovelhandle

09-21-2008, 11:16 PM

Especially late in flowering, branches bust andstuff. Nice pic though.

hatecable

09-22-2008, 05:30 AM

It sucks that you lost some branches, but as long as those cola's are in tact I know your not gonna sweat it. Maybe it wasnt so much an accident, but the girls were just dying to give you a taste after you have taken such good care of them:thumbsup:

painretreat

09-22-2008, 10:01 AM

OOOhhhhh Puff--how sad. Was it an accident or the Tyson coming out! 2 three letter words; bud ear bud??

take it easy! PR:jointsmile:

Puffzter

09-22-2008, 01:39 PM

It was an accident.
No biggie I guess but still. Careless.
Smoked a J of dried trim and after giggling through a southpark episode I watched Fellowship of The Ring yesterday and my oh my, amazing. I was IN that movie yesterday. :D
The bud trim packs helluva punsh.

Puffzter

danish

09-22-2008, 05:00 PM

Sounds jolly good though you will have that little less but judging from the size of your girls storage is more of an issue than that little branch going off.

And for you 37/42 hard on guitar hero im 10/50 on easy ;) tops...
But i still find it funny than a mofo to play guitarhero when im high so lets go...

Im still cheering for your girls.

Btw do you experience the widows setting 7 or 8 leafs ?

Puffzter

09-24-2008, 03:49 PM

Hi guys.
Getting closer here now. Don't know exactly how close though as my hand held microscope is in the mail on it's way here. :)

Also on monday my bubble hash bags will be ordered so I can get some nice bubble from my trim. :rastasmoke:

Even better my aeroponics system together with some extra materials arrive tomorrow or on friday so I can start getting ready for my next cycle.
That is gonna be a mixed clone SoG of Hindu Kush and White Widow starting as soon as my 5 present bushes are done.
During that grow I will get some seeds of Strawberry Cough or Arjan's Haze #3 to get a Sativa mother going so it I can have indica, hybrid and sativa dominant mothers ready to feed my bloom room.

The last few days I have been quite blazed only having gone through half of the trim from the twigs that broke off a couple of days back. Those buds are soon dry as well now. :D
High is a good mix between body and head and really slows down time.

Danish:
PM me on UK420. ;)

Puffzter

painretreat

09-25-2008, 04:08 AM

Nice accident puff! Been hi for awhile now!! Great!!! If you are gonna have an accident, that looked like a delicious one sweetie! :thumbsup:

You take care. Looking forward to the next one. Damn, wish I had the same books you got a hold of. Guess, I need to go into Los Angeles. Everytime the store orders books for me, I get there and they seem to disappear! Guess, that kind of tell me a lot! When I get my grow going, keep my mouth shut, if Barnes and Noble can't even keep a book behind the counter for me!! Or a head shop! Pretty bad! I'll have to learn the Mike Tyson stuff from you and let um have it. Naw, think I'll save it for my first White Widow grow.

So, how does it taste? What effects are you noticing, besides the head high? Muscle and/or nerve pain relief? Very curious? :D

I have seen pictures of grows that had so many clones taken the bottom was empty and the top heavy. Grow still going, I'll let you know if it topples like yours!

You will always have to have a grow going so I can keep in touch. I was only able to get Nov. High Times, I think Stinky Attic sold Oct right off the shelves. I even went to Los Angeles to try to find it! Oh well, best subscribe, I guess! In fact, I got several magazines. thought I already posted it, but can't seem to find. Oh well, my posts often disappear! Guess it is better than a ban. Just wish I knew why, so I don't keep doing it! Who knows and who cares at this hour, anyway! PR :rastasmoke: :jointsmile:

Puffzter

09-25-2008, 11:11 AM

Hey hun'

Yeah I heard about Stinky being in High Times for some breeding thing, right? Pretty cool I have to say. Cannabis Cup next!

And don't worry, I will keep grows going for a while :P
I have 2 more already planned in detail so it's covered until end of january,at least, already now. hehe

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-25-2008, 04:55 PM

Update.
Today is day 50 of 12/12 and they are doing their final effort right now. Some leave going clear and yellow like autumn trees does, the plants using what's left in them for the colas and buds. :D

All buds and colas have become much more dense and keeping the plants upright is harder and harder in these small pots.

Now, lets get to the fun part. Pictures. :) Bad at showing resin but you get the general idea. Plants are very frosty.

Plant 3 cola
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0617.jpg

Plant 4 cola
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0619.jpg

Plant 1 cola
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0620.jpg

Plant 5 colas. Everything you see from far right to the blur in the middle and one on the left of that are the 6 colas of FIM'd plant 5.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0623.jpg

I got a call today also that my aeroponic system together with some other materials I ordered will be delivered tomorrow.

Puffzter

PlainJane

09-25-2008, 05:26 PM

I don't know if I've ever told you this but your grows are positively amazing. They make me sort of envious but also very inspired.

Allow me to wipe the puddle of drool of my desk now.

Puffzter

09-26-2008, 05:01 PM

Thanks Jane. :D

Today my Amazon Aeroponics system arrived and I took 8 clones from my Hindu Kush mother and will take another 8 from my White Widow mother tomorrow or the day after. Then I have enough clones to fill up my new system for when the next grow starts in a week or two.
Plan is to veg a week or so after they have rooted and then switch 12/12 with topped plants for 2 colas each. We'll see how it turns out and if I'll stick to the plan.

I am starting flush in my flower room in about a week and I estimate 10 days for harvest so timing is beautiful. :D

2 pics of the Amazon system. It's a bit dusty (cleaned now) and my batteries for the camera are dead so this is what I've got for now.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0625.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0626.jpg

The system fits nicelly in my grow tent and I have seen a lot of amazing results from other growers using it on european forums so soon we will see how I do when Puffzter goes aero hehe.

Peace.

Weezard

09-26-2008, 06:17 PM

"The system fits nicelly in my grow tent and I have seen a lot of amazing results from other growers using it on european forums so soon we will see how I do when Puffzter goes aero hehe."

Aloha Puffzter

When a master grower goes aero?!
This is going to be stellar!
Will you be using Hydrotron in the netpots?

Lemme know where to Q up for the free samples.:D

The watching Weeze

Puffzter

09-27-2008, 01:01 AM

Hi Weezard.

Well it's gonna be a learning grow next one. I have a lot of information from other people using this system though so I am hoping for at least decent results.

Actually the pots are so small (like 2 inch) that most people go totally mediumless or with very small RW cubes and pebbles.
I Cloned into RW plugs and pressed down coco around the RW. You can't go wrong with coco hehe. (I hope)

Anyway the clones are taken and I hope they all root. 8 White Widow and 8 Hindu Kush.

My flower room is ready for harvest very soon now but I will try to get the best out of that grow without going too much amber, like some head and not all body. Especially since I soon will have Hindu Kush for that hehe.

The grow in the Amazon system will start as soon as I harvest and I will natrually start a new shiny log for that. :D

Puffzter

Puffzter

09-27-2008, 01:58 AM

I didn't have anything to do so I made some pics from my private grow log since a lot of ppl have said they don't have excel.
I uploaded a compressed folder with 4 pictures in it.

This is how I collect data and run my op in detail.

DOWNLOAD LINK --->
Free file hosting by Savefile.com (http://www.savefile.com/files/1808785)

Pic1: System and history. Plant naming system and individual history plant by plant
Pic2-4: Exemple from beginning of 5*WW coco grow, veg and late during bloom. Watering, nutes, humidity, temp, light, notes and individual plant info (half outside the pictures).

For the interested.
Plx give some feedback if you check it out. I wanna know what you guys think and as well get suggestions if something can be done better.

Puffzter

hatecable

09-29-2008, 05:26 AM

damn man, I hope my widow buds end up looking like that. You could use all that bud for weight lifting from the looks of things. That sucks about not getting to take the frosty pics. I hate to turn my light off too just so I can take a pic without the yellow. You could wait until the light turns off and open the tent up and take a pic or 2 real quick and it shouldnt hurt anything. Looks great and inspiring as always my friend. Cant wait to see the harvest numbers.:thumbsup:

Puffzter

09-30-2008, 02:08 PM

Yeah there is some weight in there now. It is a problem even. I had to turn plant 5 around today and since it is the one at the opening of the tent I thought it would be a simple task.
To get it out was quite hard since they are intertwined all of them but I got it out just to learn that no chance in hell it support the weight of its buds/colas. It tips over directly. Same with the others around it when I took it out.
None of them can support itself, its the walls of the tent and the neighbouring plants that keep everything up together with some strings and straps.

The smoke I got from the accident last week has been dried and semi cured by now and the test was very pleasantly trippy so now one week later I am thinking seriously about harvesting right now, or rather start the flush.
There is still quite some white hairs here and there so I could get some more weight out of them I am sure by pushing them another week before flush but I seriously think I have 2kg wet weight in there and I wont sell any AND I have clones rooting as we speak for next grow so it's not like I need more really rofl.

Never imagined they would put on this much weight. That combined with me getting completelly surprised by the 1foot/week stretch the first 3 weeks of 12/12 (anticipated about half of that) has made the plants hard to handle.

The semi cured bud I smoked yesterday was trippy with a little bit of body stone I would say 80/20 and that is about what I want so what a hell lets start the flush ppl. :D

Day 55 12/12 today so I'll cut them day 59-60.
Microscope is here one of these days so I will know how they are doing exact by then.
The plants are all getting more and more yellow leaves by the hour now I have about 15-20% white hairs on the buds/colas. I know they could take 1 more week but the weed is as I want it and there is enough of it to keep me stocked for a year so I wont push it anymore risking a mess.

Puffzter

jakezking

09-30-2008, 03:24 PM

Puffz - your grow is a testament to your dedication and hard work in teaching yourself, through reading, interrelating with other growers, and trial and error, how best to care for your ladies. Your plants are shining examples of healthy and well-cared for plants. I appreciate your willingness to share your journey and gained knowledge with the rest of us. Your WWs have given us all something at which to take aim. Best of all, I'm truly happy your preliminary smoke report is exemplary!

Dang fine work all around, my friend! I'm looking forward to your aeroponics clone log! Be good out there!

danish

10-01-2008, 11:49 AM

Those plants is just sick... i envy those plants and hope my widow will do as good :)
:thumbsup:

Puffzter

10-01-2008, 01:49 PM

Thanks guys. :)

Today is day 56 of 12/12 and the second day of flushing.
I will flush for still 3-4 days and will keep the plants in dark the last 36 hours or so before cut.
They are very heavy and many side branches have big buds as well that can't be supported without intertwining branches and using strings etc.
This being the first grow and all I can't say how much end product I will end get but knowing about 75% of mass will be lost in drying/curing I would still be surprised If I don't get 10-15 ounces. Gonna be really interesting to see who far off I am hehe.
Took some pics again and as usual they suck but nvm. Here they are.

Pic 1: Plant 1 cola. This is a huge one and very frosty.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0632.jpg

Pic 2: Plant 2 cola. Just as big and frosty but a bit less dense. It has fallen over and plant 1 is keeping it supported.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0630.jpg

Pic 3: Plant 3 cola. This is one of the plants I went really rough on. Broke stem 2 times to keep it from stretching too much. Good cola, frosty but not like plant 1-2-4. Good though.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0633.jpg

Pic 4: Plant 5 (FIM'd) colas. Not all 6 can be seen but 4 at least. These colas are all big and plant will yeild very well but it is also the least frosty one.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0634.jpg

Puffzter

PlainJane

10-01-2008, 01:58 PM

Holy mother of cola! What have you been feeding those things? Small children? :eek: Wow, no wonder they are trying to punch their way out of that tent. Absolutely gorgeous.

danish

10-01-2008, 03:27 PM

Holy mother of cola! What have you been feeding those things? Small children? :eek: Wow, no wonder they are trying to punch their way out of that tent. Absolutely gorgeous.

i second this. gime an A - M - A - Z - I - N - G

man i cant wait to see closeups of the dried product from those things

Puffzter

10-01-2008, 04:08 PM

Well my White Widows are the only CB plants I have ever seen in my life so I can't really say if they are amazing or not. My goal is to not fuck up too badly this first time really.

And Danish.
I am even more interested to begin with what the wet weight of the trimmed plant 1 cola will be :D . It feels like 2 friggin pounds when I try to weigh it in my hands, really does (will probably just be like 10 ounces on a scale lol). It just feels so damn heavy.

hydrocannabis

10-01-2008, 10:05 PM

holy moly. thouse R some of the biggest buds I have ever seen.:thumbsup::D

:stoned:

painretreat

10-02-2008, 06:29 AM

:jointsmile:hehe Puffzter, I am so proud of your grow. It seems like it started yesterday! Were you able to look with magnification yet? Just curious! Or my eyes are getting bad from looking at such nice buds!! Take it any way you can get it!! Nicely done! And we aren't finished yet! Are you getting prep for new grow yet, or taking a break to :rastasmoke: and enjoy it! pr:jointsmile:

Puffzter

10-02-2008, 01:35 PM

Well I did get my handheld microscope today actually and I am revising my plan slightly because of it.

I have about 60% clear and 40% milky with very few ambre atm.
The high is trippy as one would expect with this trich balance and strain.
I thought a bit about stopping the flush and mix another batch of nutes but I decided in the end to just prolong the flush from the 4-5 days I had planned to 4-5 days more.
The runoff I get atm is above 1000ppm so there is still food to use stored in the coco to keep them a bit longer and I want well flushed Mj in the end so it will work out.

The other reason is that I want a lot of head in this batch since the next one will be 8 plants of a heavy Indica and 8 plants of WW.
So If I run next batch to a lot of ambre I will have a Couch lock and a 50/50 couch/head from there. The plants I am about to harvest soon will be very much head so then I will cover the spectrum quite well in my stack.

So, I am not harvesting until after the coming weekend. I will not let too many ambre trichs be present though so if they start to show up in numbers I will cut them directly.

Puffzter

painretreat

10-03-2008, 07:55 AM

Get your machete ready!!! Sounds like the scope came just in time. From the sounds of things, it seems to have worked out perfect! It is an interesting theory that the coco holds the nutes longer, we'll see! :thumbsup: PR

Puffzter

10-03-2008, 10:42 AM

It's not a theory. ;)
I pour in pH corrected water at 250ppm and I get runoff out that is well over 1000ppm, its salts that disolves and feed the plants now until the medium is out of it. After that the flush is done.

danish

10-03-2008, 06:29 PM

Hey puffzter wher did you buy your aero system cause im thinking about setting up a little 2-4 plants aero... so trying to figure out where to buy and WHAT to buy and at what prices...

Jerry Garcia 2007

10-03-2008, 09:27 PM

Puffzetr,

All I can say is amazing:thumbsup::thumbsup: and congradulations.

For your first grow this is outstanding. My first grow now that I look back on it, "sucked" compared to my second. But to be honest you did it in your first, I don't think there is much more your going to get out of those plants (meaning you maxed out full potential of the plant) I am glad to see you got some Hindu Kush coming up:thumbsup: I like playing around with different strains until I find the one that I fall in love with. Kinda like looking for a wife is a way to put it.

Great work! JG

Weezard

10-03-2008, 09:59 PM

hydrocannabis

10-04-2008, 04:16 AM

I am also trying to gro in coco. but I can't figer out how much to water each time ya water in coco.

and ya urs is a great looking grow.:thumbsup:

painretreat

10-04-2008, 08:25 AM

For someone that has been :stoned: since accidently breaking some buds off, you sure make a lot of sense! Oh Puff, U so smart! Pr :jointsmile:

Puffzter

10-04-2008, 10:44 AM

Thanks for the comments. You are all making me blush. :)

Danish: The system is a Nutriculture Amazon so most hydro shops in Europe can get them I guess. Same company that make the Wilma systems. They have a lot of different products, check here.
http://www.nutriculture.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

Jerry: Thanks man. <3¨

Weezard: I'm glad to hear that m8. If a couple of guys try out coco because of my log I would be really happy. It should be tried for comparison by any indoor grower I think.

Hydrocannabis: You will find a rythm m8. Look at them. And by them I mean the medium not the plants. :) It has to be watered before it dries. So a few hours after the top layer is dry at the latest it needs to be watered again. Water to a little bit of runoff everytime.
My dark period is 3am to 3pm and I water at 3-5pm and 1-3am every day. Before the 4th week of veg they only got it once a day or even less in the early stages. If you have excel in your computer then download my personal log, it shows exacxtly day by day how I have watered. If you don't have it I posted screenshots from it in a post a couple of days ago that can be downloaded.

Pain: Hehe, I'm not :stoned: THAT much really. hehe

Cheers guys

Puffzter

Puffzter

10-04-2008, 03:14 PM

Hi.
Some photos again. Wednesday is planned cut and from lights out at 3am tuesday morning they will be kept in total darkness for 36-40 hours before cut.

I have used strings and a lot of effort in other ways to keep them standing up the last days.

Plant 1:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0637.jpg

Plant 2, now stringed to a corner post so now standing again.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0635.jpg

Plant 5 some of it's colas
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0640.jpg

Puffzter

Jerry Garcia 2007

10-04-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote: "Wednesday is planned cut and from lights out at 3am Tuesday morning they will be kept in total darkness for 36-40 hours before cut".

I do 72 hours of this, Something you may want to consider:thumbsup:

JG

hydrocannabis

10-04-2008, 05:12 PM

ok thanks for the info. so what if the coco stays wet for 1-2 days. then is that a good thing or a bad thing.

I started with clones but they don't look like there gunna make it or even root. and I really really really wanna try and save them cuz there from my outdoor plants which R covered in trich.

and also thouse last bud pix. holy moly oly. I wish I was ur neighbor then we could could both grow and smoke right next door.:D

cant wate to see the dry weight of the monster buds.:thumbsup:

Puffzter

10-04-2008, 05:37 PM

My coco is always wet, you should not let coco dry. It's the opposite of soil in that respect. It can't be overwatered as long as pots are drained.
About the clones I don't know what the problem is.
I have cloned quite a lot of plants directly into coco without even humidity dome and they make it.

Puffzter

10-04-2008, 05:43 PM

double post, sorry

hydrocannabis

10-04-2008, 07:20 PM

thanks for more info. so do U water once a day or more than that.:)
and how long did it take ur clones to start growing?

there R 5-9 drain holes that I made at the bottom of each pot.

Puffzter

10-04-2008, 08:02 PM

I water 2 times a day.
In the early life of the plants it was once every day or even less.
My plants grows in 1.8gallon pots.
Clones started to grow after 10-12 days.
Puffzter

hydrocannabis

10-05-2008, 12:52 AM

I water 2 times a day.
In the early life of the plants it was once every day or even less.
My plants grows in 1.8gallon pots.
Clones started to grow after 10-12 days.
Puffzter

no way. there only 1.8 gallon pots. holy moly.:thumbsup:

well then I guess I'll just half to wate and see how mine do in the coco.
stay cool.

Puffzter

10-05-2008, 04:33 PM

Ye it's 1.8 pots.
That's one of the cool things with coco. You have to confine the roots really really badly before the plants go rootbound.

All 5 plants are big and with a lot of buds on them and have been grown in the same 1.8 gallon pots from seed, never transplanted these.

Puffzter

caligrown82807

10-07-2008, 01:45 AM

first let me say damn me and the lady have been following ur grow from the start and damn you finally convinced me and the lady to go out and get coco we've just been in dirt so we'll see how it goes if it goes half as good as yours the lady will be happy and if shes happy im happy any more tips u can drop would be great:thumbsup:

Puffzter

10-07-2008, 02:14 AM

Cool, nice to hear man.

Every single thing I have done to the plants as well as their response are in the excel files I upload now and then, that might be a good source of information if you are gonna start up your first coco grow.
(linked in posts now and then during this grow)

Good luck and don't hesitate to ask questions.
Since it is not your first grow the most important thing to know is basically that you treat coco as an opposite of soil, so --> Water as much as you want but don't let it dry. ;)
For the rest it is the same I spose except that the plants react much faster to changes. They react fast and they grow fast. :rastasmoke:

Puffzter

InspectahEX

10-07-2008, 02:28 AM

hey Puff i was wondering how much longer are you going to wait till you harvest them buds? They almost done? White widow is a hybrid right?

Puffzter

10-07-2008, 02:58 AM

Yes WW is a hybrid. 60% indica.

Well I have been sitting with my thinking hat on all day trying to decide what to do with the harvest.
Plan was to cut on wednesday, day 63 of 12/12, but I am contemplating to nute them tomorrow and then harvest 3-4 days later instead. They have been on a flush for 6 days now and they are ready to cut in that respect but I feel I can get a bit more out of them without getting too much couch lock. I have a lot of clear trichs yet.
Problem is the damn plants can't stand up without a lot of work now and I am afraid I will cause a mess everytime I touch them atm.

Ultimatelly I will decide for sure at lights on, 3pm. Either I let the lights flip on and nute them one last time or I keep lights off and water them a last time without nutes and then let them stay dry and in the dark for a couple of days and then cut.
I will decide at 3pm. Either thursday or sunday will be last day.

Puffzter

InspectahEX

10-07-2008, 03:03 AM

a few more days wont hurt, let them grow to their full potential, i saw one plant you posted was like dark brown redish hairs, that thing plant looked sick, wait till they swell up, and yea let them babies chill in the dark for a few days :smokin:

Puffzter

10-07-2008, 03:14 AM

I know but I do have my reasons.

Plant 1 and 4 are close to ready and have very compact colas and buds. Plant 3 is close also but not as much so.
Plant 2 and 5 are dragging behind a little bit from the others.

Reason I will cut them a little bit early is that I want trippy weed from this batch. I am doing a 50/50 SoG grow next time of WW and Hindu Kush and that one will be grown to ambre trichs and get me a true hybrid and a pure indica so if I follow my plan I will get trippy weed this time from harvesting a little bit early and next time the true hybrid AND the pure indica. So when that is done I cover the spectrum (in theory). :D

Puffzter

caligrown82807

10-07-2008, 06:55 AM

u could just cut half ur crop by the time its half way smokable chop the others ps thanx for the 411.... lets get sum more bud shots plz....:jointsmile::thumbsup::hippy::D

Puffzter

10-07-2008, 12:40 PM

I might do that as well ofc but...

I don't think I can without some serious string work. They are keeping eachother up. all of them. Whatever I do in there some branch breaks off. They have grown standing close together so most branches are used to being suported and directly fall when I try to untwine them.
I let them stretch too fast during that period and that's what giving me problems now.
Lessons for the future. :)

I'll push them a few more days but that's it.

Puffzter

Puffzter

10-08-2008, 10:12 AM

My dad decided on a surprise visit and is here in 2 hours to stay for 2 days.
He natrually has no idea I grow weed nor do I intend to reveal that to him so I wont sit in my appartment trimming CB plants the coming days, hehe.

Problem is I have to sort my bedroom which he will be sleeping in, it's full of boxes and stuff since my walk in closet is full of cannabis plants, 5 big ones and a nursery with 16 clones and 2 mothers.

This is gonna be interesting.
"Son, whats that noise from the closet?"
"Just the house ventillation that's gone a bit berzerk dad"
"Oh ok. Well it stopped sometimes during the night and now at 3pm sharp it's back again, strange."
"They'll come and fix it next week, no problems"

Hmm, come to think about it I might have a problem here after all. The door into the room need to be open most of the time or the temperatures in there will go up a LOT. Maybe I better just start the dark period now then I can run the fans on low just to keep the air scrubbed coming out of the tent.

Well, settled.

I am shutting off the timer and lights wont come on again.

Friday is harvest day!

:)

(you think it will all be cured and ready for my birthday on, eh saturday? :D )

Puffzter

PlainJane

10-08-2008, 12:28 PM

Surprise visits? :eek:

It sounds like you've got a good plan. Congratulations! I can't believe it's already harvest time. :) I'm looking forward to seeing the photos and hearing what your yield is.

Puffzter

10-08-2008, 03:01 PM

I germinated the seeds 4th of july so its been a few months after all.
It's gone really fast though, fun fun times growing these plants.
Dad is here now but my op is well hidden and wont be found so no problems hehe.
He wouldn't go berzerk but he would mention it back home and there a few would go bananas for sure lol.

Puffzter

Puffzter

10-10-2008, 02:17 PM

Today is the day :D
A friend is coming over to pick up a computer game in an hour or two then I cut.
All is ready here.
Snip snip snip.

Will natrually take pictures and stuff and post when all is ready.
C ya soon guys.

Puffzter

InspectahEX

10-10-2008, 03:18 PM

cant wait 4 the pics

hatecable

10-10-2008, 04:53 PM

im giddy with anticipation!

hydrocannabis

10-10-2008, 07:06 PM

ok then I am would like to see the befor pix of the plants/buds befor the cut. then plants after pix of them cutup. and maybe even some good flash pix.
this was a kickass grow log.:thumbsup: I bet the dryed product is gunne scrubb u up.:D:stoned::stoned::stoned: 4:20

caligrown82807

10-10-2008, 09:44 PM

we've all been waiting for this cant wait puff:jointsmile::D

Puffzter

10-11-2008, 12:21 AM

Damn this is hard work.
Only 2 plants ready in 5h of work.

Plant 5 and plant 3 is trimmed and hung to dry and I must say I have some surprising results so far.

More later I am gonna trim one more now and take the last two tomorrow, it's 2.30 am here. I will post the pics I have before I go to bed though.
Now, back to the salt mine.

Puffzter

hatecable

10-11-2008, 02:26 AM

oh you are a player, keeping everyone on the edge of their seat like that "some surprising results", man, your killin me!:wtf:

Puffzter

10-11-2008, 04:12 AM

Hehe, well sorry for that. :)

Ok, here we go.
3 plants harvested and my back is killing me now so I am taking a break until I have slept a few hours. It's 6 am now.

I trimmed them a lot as I will have weed for over a year just from this harvest so I might as well do it right.
I also saved all the high grade trim to make butter with and Bubble hash. Only small buds and very resinous trim was saved for that, everything else is not saved. So, I could have gotten more weight by keeping the small buds out of the trim but as I said I don't need all this weed anyway so it's going for muffins and hash tries. :D

I put everything on the scale but it does'nt mean much more than a very rough indication but it still surprised me a bit that plant 5 was not ahead of the other two with its 6 colas. I knew the colas on the other plants were much denser but still. It does show that dense buds is the way to go though and my mother plants for coming grows comes from plant 4 which have the densest buds so that's good.

Anyway, here are the pics and numbers for the first 3 harvested plants, the other two will be presented tomorrow.

One ounce is 28 grams.

Plant 5, the FIM'd one with 6 colas. It was a huge plant but not so dense and also the least resinous. Wet weight 293 grams, 51 grams saved trim.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0646.jpg

Plant 3, big surprise. I never thought this would pack so much mass. Very resinous plant as well. Wet: 389!! grams, 108 grams saved trim.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0649.jpg

Plant 4, the stretch monster but also the fastest to build buds. I had to fuck up this plant a lot in stretch to keep it so I hurt the production quite a lot but it is dense and resinous and is my favourite so in the future I grow my WWs with this plants genetics. I am sure I can grow huge colas from this one when I do cloned SoGs. Wet: 296g, 94g saved trim.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/DSCI0651.jpg

I have some more pictures but I hold them until all 5 plants have been harvested and presented.

See you soon guys.

Puffzter