your thoughts on miracles

[hazetwostep]

i wanted to hear what some people have to think about miracles...

i have a friend who suffers (suffered) from a deadly disease called cystic fibrosis which pretty much destroys your lungs. she recently went to a christian meeting in florida where supposedly physical miracles were taking place. to make a long story short, the preacher dude was calling out miracles that were taking place and as he called out cystic fibrosis she felt a sensation in her lungs likened to a tightness being released.

since then she has come off of oxygen (which she needed throughout the day and all night while sleeping), breathing treatments (medicinal based), enzymes for food digestion (which she couldn't eat without), and a number of other things.

i personally do not believe in the christian faith but i cannot deny that my friend who was deathly (literally) sick is now fine. she will be going to a doctor for verification in july (soonest she could get an appointment).

my best guess is that it is related to a belief that she was healed which led to a change in the physical of a scale i have never encountered.

i'm just curious as to what some of you think about it... i will be even more convinced once (if) she gets medical verification... either way something pretty amazing transpired.

thoughts...

[Coelho]

Well... i was born and raised in a Christian Church, and knew lots of people who were spiritually cured of all kinds of diseases, many of them incurable. Their doctors would be very awed, and many doctors conceded that the only explanation was calling it miracles.
But there was one that i witnessed myself. My grandma had a serious health problem (dont remember what), and had an irreversible neuron loss, to the point that she behaved like a zombie. She didnt know nobody, she couldnt speak coherently, she pissed at herself... she lost completly her mind, and was actually a zombie.
But my parents, who are very religious, didnt give up, and kept praying for her to become normal again. It was scientifically impossible, as you know neurons does not regenerate themselves.
And yet... after months of being a zombie, her mind started to come back, and back... and she regained it completly! She returned to be who she was, she regained all her reason, and thinking, everything! Even after the doctor had said that her condition was irreversible.
So, yes, i do believe in miracles, cause i witnessed them.
And i also believe in the Christian faith. Even if now im astray, if someday i decide to follow any faith again, surely it will be the Christian faith.

[Barrelhse]

Miracles of nature, perhaps, but why bring "God" into the picture? If miracles were from god, why would he choose one person over another? Seems like a rather shallow concept to believe in, not to mention how fickle a god you choose to credit with the miraculous.

[NaughtyDreadz]

mere coincidences...

[bhouncy]

People miraculously regain health without any religious intervention. It's not a miracle. It's just uncommon.

[40oz]

People can psychologically make themselves sick. Im sure then they would be able to psychologically heal themselves as well. The brain is pretty powerful.

[BritishHempire]

Without wanting to upset anyone, I can't believe people today still believe in miracles and acts of god. It's like some people have been brainwashed and conditioned to believe in silly superstitions. I wish they would ban religious advertisign and make evangelism ilelgal, evryone is entitled to their own beliefs but churches shouldn't be allowed to try and convert non-believers and recruit new followers, that way this stupid superstition based on nothing more than myth and rumour that is clled Christianity will finally die out, what place is there in the modern world for the creation myth when we now have the knowledge of evolution and how the earth was formed? People should be free to believe what they want, but they shouldn't be allowed to foist their beliefs on others.

[40oz]

what place is there in the modern world for the creation myth when we now have the knowledge of evolution and how the earth was formed? People should be free to believe what they want, but they shouldn't be allowed to foist their beliefs on others.

Well actually we only have theories to explain how the earth was formed. Evolution is just a theory, not a fact. And anyway, facts are dangerous. They are just mental shortcuts. Trying to tell people to shut up with their religious views because they are wrong and evolution is right is the same thing as (and possibly worse than) what you are complaining about.

[bhouncy]

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[NaughtyDreadz]

And anyway, facts are dangerous. They are just mental shortcuts.

:wtf: :(

[40oz]

:wtf: :(



Well for example a few hundred years ago it was a fact that the solar system revolved around earth and that the earth was flat. That is the easiest example I can give, but if you look into any field of academia, you will see that what is accepted as fact has not stayed constant throughout the years. Not even in math are there concrete facts, which is evident because all the rules of math you use are "theorems" and nothing more.

[bhouncy]

:wtf: :(

Truth and facts don't equate although facts help to describe the world as we currently know it until someone comes up with some new facts.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Still waiting for God to regrow the limb of an amputee...

[silkyblue]

Praise the Lord


I wish God would drop my economic stimulus check in my mailbox


halleluyah

[Coelho]

Still waiting for God to regrow the limb of an amputee...

If you saw one, would you believe?

Once I heard about a man who was member of the same church of my parents, who lost some fingers while working with an electric saw... he even kept the cut fingers in a jar... then, after some time, his hand started to regenerate until it became as new, with all the fingers in its places! And its said (cause i didnt meet him) that he still keeps the cut fingers in the jar, to show to the people.

It may see a big thing, but when i used to go to this church i heard several relates of things even more astonishing... so i even became used to this kind of thing, and now i dont belittle what God can do.

[bhouncy]

If you saw one, would you believe?

Once I heard about a man who was member of the same church of my parents, who lost some fingers while working with an electric saw... he even kept the cut fingers in a jar... then, after some time, his hand started to regenerate until it became as new, with all the fingers in its places! And its said (cause i didnt meet him) that he still keeps the cut fingers in the jar, to show to the people.

It may see a big thing, but when i used to go to this church i heard several relates of things even more astonishing... so i even became used to this kind of thing, and now i dont belittle what God can do.

Please forgive me for not believing you.

[GreenDestiny]

People can psychologically make themselves sick. Im sure then they would be able to psychologically heal themselves as well. The brain is pretty powerful.

Yes! I think the overall health of people would be much better if we trusted in the power of our own minds.

Don't pray to a god that may or may not exist. Don't rely on a deity to fix the problems. We have the power, not our imaginary friend.

Plus there's all kinds of things about science we don't know about to explain for such things as miracles. Everything can be explained and boiled down to just numbers.... finding those 'numbers' is the challenge.


Also, if you were to be miraculously healed of your problems, then you wouldn't be allowed to get medical marijuana anymore! You'd go back to being a "criminal" lol.

[Coelho]

Please forgive me for not believing you.

No problem, man... i know how hard is to believe in such things... as they surely doesnt happens everyday.

[silkyblue]

My true thoughts on miracles is yes

I DO BELIEVE


bcause

my sister recently had to administer CPR
to a drowning victim


the person pulled through
that my friend is a miracle

[hydrocannabis]

Still waiting for God to regrow the limb of an amputee... I agree.:thumbsup:


ok so for me I only some times believe miracles.
so heres my story of a miracle.

so I was water tubing with some ppl when I was 9 years old and I accidentally got lost from the rest of my ppl. then I came up to about a 10 foot white water fall that I did not see and I fell over it and got sucked under the falls. I was drowing for a long time. then this guy whereing all white clothes with blond hair or whatever. he dove into the falls and pulled me out the water. pulled me to the river bank side and got me breathing agen. then took off in to the woods with his sun.

and I never got his name or never even got to thank him for saving my life.

now Im not saying that because he saved my life that it was an ack of god or any thing. but what happend did feel wierd to me for long time.

I think the guy and his sun was just at the right place and at the right time.

and when I told my family they didn't believe my story. and this story couldn't be more true.
and they should have known that I would never make up a story like this anyway.

my 2 cents.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

whatever religion or denomination thereof is purely personal.
Faith in any power capable of performing, for lack of a better word, miracles, is all that is required.

PURE UNYIELDING FAITH can accomplish more than science, but it takes a VERY strong and dedicated mind(set) to accomplish this level of faith.

Not many people possess it, it is not common to meet a person who can WILL something into or out of existence, but it isnt impossible.

oh i wish i knew more than that, but alas i cannot fly or create hundreds of pounds of fish in a heartbeat, but maybe some day we will ALL be able to from birth without effort...


Oh, and i dont believe in coincidences, i believe in vibrations, revibrations, and infinity. (which coincedentally permits coincedences :thumbsup: it is all so very zen)

[Dream of the iris]

Those "miracles" are actually, I believe, what are called Siddhis.

SIDDHIS: Supernormal Perceptual States (http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/siddhi.html)

There are striking resemblances between all religions, particularly when dealing with these so called "miracles". To me, they are just natural things that happen when the mind comes closer to Source.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Those "miracles" are actually, I believe, what are called Siddhis.

SIDDHIS: Supernormal Perceptual States (http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/siddhi.html)

There are striking resemblances between all religions, particularly when dealing with these so called "miracles". To me, they are just natural things that happen when the mind comes closer to Source.


Same concept, different verbal acknowledgment.

Jesus was a jewish yogi :rastasmoke:

Yoga Siddhis and the Chakras (http://skyboom1.tripod.com/index27.html)

[Dream of the iris]

Thanks for the link. Some interesting stuff in there.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hey no problem man.

as i see it, EVERYTHING has it's place, from armadillos to joints to Judaism to Rastafarian beliefs.

the Roman gods of zeus and hera as well as the egyptian gods of Aman Ra and Anubis both have meaning and signifigance in the world, nay universe as a whole.

EVERYTHING gives off a vibration of it's own, and EVERYTHING reflects each vibration in it's own unique and individual way, THEREFORE we are all just waves reflecting waves of vibrations, and everything that ever was is still here and still has importance.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Dude...

there's this car, and it can run on water.... and the government doesnt want us to know about it...



etc.


lol sorry that reminded me of that 70's show...