old urine

[surfergirly88]

I recieved urine from my friend roughly 48 hours ago (maybe a little bit more). I stupidly did not refrigerate it. I just now took the pre-employment drug test with it at Quest Diagnostic. They said my pee was in the range of temperature so that was not a problem, but can they tell its old pee??? I'm FREAKING out. I'm such an idiot but I'm new to smoking and didn't even really think about it :(

[jeffman]

I recieved urine from my friend roughly 48 hours ago (maybe a little bit more). I stupidly did not refrigerate it. I just now took the pre-employment drug test with it at Quest Diagnostic. They said my pee was in the range of temperature so that was not a problem, but can they tell its old pee??? I'm FREAKING out. I'm such an idiot but I'm new to smoking and didn't even really think about it :(

It would have been nice to keep it cool but You should be fine. The only thing I can think of is to shake it up lightly before You left. Relax and wait for the good news...:thumbsup:

[surfergirly88]

is there a way that they can test for bacteria? if there is too much bacteria will it throw off the results? i'm freaking out still!

[jeffman]

I think I have heard after a week it goes bad being warm. There are many post here from FBR and I know he covered that over and over but I don't quite remember. Do a search above or someone will come along who remembers.

[killerweed420]

This is why its really worth the $20 investment for synthetic urine. Cheap insurance for peace of mind.

[the1yankee]

where can u get the snthetic urine for 20$ I saw it around 40$ :every $ saved helps ty

[Burnt Toast]

where can u get the snthetic urine for 20$

Check EBay

[jeffman]

Check EBay

Not any more, As far as I know all searches for synthetic urine or Quick fix come up blank for the type of product were looking for. They do still have testing strips.

[king05]

so you didn't heat the piss or anything? anyways hope all goes well with you because I am going to go through the same thing, although I thought you had to heat the piss

[jeffman]

Not any more, As far as I know all searches for synthetic urine or Quick fix come up blank for the type of product were looking for. They do still have testing strips.

There is a update to this post of mine...Someone got lucky and put OF back on e-bay but it won't last long.

There are 18 available and it is listed under.....

"Urine drug test pass kit employment protectyourpriviacy". $30 plus $5 for shipping.

As soon as e-bay spots these they will be kicked off so if $35 is a good price for You hurry up.

[killerweed420]

I pay $18 at my local smoke shop.

[jeffman]

I pay $18 at my local smoke shop.

WOW, Thats a steal Killer. I have 2 bottles handy but I saw it at a couple smoke shops here in Vegas and it was $39.95.

I'm enjoying/learning from all Your post killer....Keep up the top shelf information. You are one of the best here for answering the same questions over and over and sorting through all the mis-information that comes up. Still Winston

[bullitt]

There is a update to this post of mine...Someone got lucky and put OF back on e-bay but it won't last long.

There are 18 available and it is listed under.....

"Urine drug test pass kit employment protectyourpriviacy". $30 plus $5 for shipping.

As soon as e-bay spots these they will be kicked off so if $35 is a good price for You hurry up.

I just typed "quick fix" into the ebay search and I found at 3 different sellers for it. As low as $10 ( which I think may be older as it had the lightning bolts on the package, and I don't think the new quick fix uses that graphic on it's boxes anymore), but the two other sellers had it for @20-$25.

[jeffman]

I just typed "quick fix" into the ebay search and I found at 3 different sellers for it. As low as $10 ( which I think may be older as it had the lightning bolts on the package, and I don't think the new quick fix uses that graphic on it's boxes anymore), but the two other sellers had it for @20-$25.

Well Your right about the 10 dollar box but it may be a stock photo. The ad says 4.0. They are dumping it cheap because QF 4.2 has just been released.

The $19.93 one is QF 4.2 that was just released by Spectrum Labs and is the new formula. Spectrum Labs is not replacing 4.0 because theres just too much of it out there and they say it will work as always. It is not easy to find 4.2 on there website because they don't want to cause panic among there customers. They are just blending it in. I know this because My cousin works there.

As for e-bay, When I got this inside info I listed My stash of QF 4.0 on ebay and they pulled the ad and wrote they are trying to pull products that may be used to beat drug tests due to complaints. Maybe I just worded it wrong, I don't know but it wouldn't surprise Me if those ads disappeared. JMHO

[bullitt]

I also found Quick fix 4.2 on Amazon for $19.93 + $6 shipping.

[jeffman]

Great find... I was going to buy it when I stopped and read a post by Mr. C on one of the other boards and He made perfect sense and that would explain the 4.2 as opposed to 5.0....


quickfix is a huge seller ..its always been my theory that in reality its not hard to really catch on to the synthetic...when you are a large lab and you get a huge number of results turning out the same..ie..same ph same creatinine levels same everything and then they test quickfix and have the same results they can tell..this is just my theory on it...could be wrong but it makes sense for quickfix to make changes accordingly

I think I'll wait Thanks to Mr C. (If not allowed, mods Please forgive Me) @ mj.com

[bullitt]

Great find... I was going to buy it when I stopped and read a post by Mr. C on one of the other boards and He made perfect sense and that would explain the 4.2 as opposed to 5.0....



I think I'll wait Thanks to Mr C. (If not allowed, mods Please forgive Me) @ mj.com

Would the labs even test for creatinine levels if it passes the validity test? I don't know how the labs test for validity, but I would think it would be by the cheapest way possible, which wouldn't test the actual levels, but make sure they where within an acceptable range with a validity strip.

[jeffman]

Would the labs even test for creatinine levels if it passes the validity test? I don't know how the labs test for validity, but I would think it would be by the cheapest way possible, which wouldn't test the actual levels, but make sure they where within an acceptable range with a validity strip.

Hi bullitt, I'm not sure but I'm sure one of the many experts here will come up with a answer fast. I am interested in the answer. I try to keep My answers to subbing with QF as I have done it more times then I can remember. I have never passed a test with My own urine.

I only wish My next test would be urine but casinos in Vegas are big on hair and I don't know whats going to happen. I have 40 days clean and one bleach and dye with no jobs or tests scheduled yet.

[Burnt Toast]

Creatinine is part of the validity checks performed on a urine sample. Labs check the creatinine level to determine "substituted" & "diluted" samples.

Under DHHS regulations, urine samples with a creatinine level over 20 mg/dL are satisfactory. A creatinine level of 2 - 20 mg/dL is ruled "diluted". A urine sample with a creatinine level of 0 - 2 mg/dL is ruled a "substituted" specimen (aka "not consistent with human urine").
As long as your QF batch is current, and had been stored properly (i.e; no direct sunlight) , it will pass the validity checks mandated by the DHHS.

For peace of mind, you could always order some validity test strips and test your QF batch at home, to ensure that the creatinine, pH, & specific gravity, are all within the acceptable ranges. Google search for drug adulteration test kits.

Hope that helps some
:smokin:

[bullitt]

As long as your QF batch is current, and had been stored properly (i.e; no direct sunlight) , it will pass the validity checks mandated by the DHHS.

For peace of mind, you could always order some validity test strips and test your QF batch at homes[/B].

Hope that helps some
:smokin:

Thanks for the info, but the quote from MR.C was that the labs would test for the actual ph and creatinin levels, not just that it was over a certain level. And further, that they would see that so many samples had the same exact Creatinin count, THEN they would test the quick fix, see that is the same creatinin level as of the test's they did, and then be able to detect quick fix.

I do not think that that is possible, as I don't believe the labs would ever test for exact levels, if it passes the quick validity and drug test, they would never spend the extra money to diagnose the samples.

[tacophish]

I use a Urinator, and I generally buy Synthetic Urine (Dr. John's Famous Pee Pee). I have some old vials left, but they are quite old (1 is over 2 years old and the other more than a year.) They are yellow still, and have been kept in a dark bag this whole time. I don't want to pay to overnight some more... Anybody have any idea what the worst case scenario would be using the old synthetic? I have a test coming up soon.

:D

[jeffman]

Well there was a answer to Mr C by a mod Sec on the other site.....


quick fix is a huge seller ..its always been my theory that in reality its not hard to really catch on to the synthetic...when you are a large lab and you get a huge number of results turning out the same..ie..same Ph same creatinine levels same everything and then they test quickfix and have the same results they can tell..this is just my theory on it...could be wrong but it makes sense for quickfix to make changes accordingly

And Sec (Moderator) says....


Don't deceive yourselves, the laboratories and the government know about synthetic urine. There is current discussion regarding just that subject. The general jist of the buzz is that the government will make it illegal on a federal level to manufacture, posess, ship or use any substance designed to beat a lawfully administered controlled substances test. I would guess that within a year or two, this will actually materialize.

Another tidbit:

As of August 25, 2008 it will become mandatory all DOT return-to-duty and follow-up drug tests be observed. Not monitored, not 'supervised', but observed. Currently, it is left up to the employer whether these tests are observed. So if you fail a DOT test for any reason from now on out, expect observed tests if you ever want to have hope of getting your job back.

I just think it's all interesting and the thread is about dead. I hope we never see the day products like QF become illeagel...:)

[Burnt Toast]

Thanks for the info, but the quote from MR.C was that the labs would test for the actual ph and creatinin levels, not just that it was over a certain level. And further, that they would see that so many samples had the same exact Creatinin count, THEN they would test the quick fix, see that is the same creatinin level as of the test's they did, and then be able to detect quick fix.

I do not think that that is possible, as I don't believe the labs would ever test for exact levels, if it passes the quick validity and drug test, they would never spend the extra money to diagnose the samples. When labs perform validity testing (pH, creatinine, specific gravity) they do analyze the actual levels in order to rule if the urine sample is either "diluted" "adulterated" or "substituted". For the initial analysis, a colorimetric assay is utilized. This type of assay gives a semi-quantitive value for each constituent panel based on the color reaction. An example of this assay can be found on the craigmedical website.

The test strips that Ive mentioned earlier are essentially the same colorimetric assays the labs use.

Mr Cs theory is off the mark a bit. A synthetic sample is ruled "non-human" when..
a) The creatinine level is zero while the other constituents are within satisfactory ranges

b) All of the constituents have broken down to zero.
These conditions are indicative of an old expired synthetic batch, or a batch that was exposed to direct sunlight.

Like I said earlier, as long as the synthetic is current and been stored properly, it will pass the validity checks.