Episode 3...Revenge of the LED

[SnSstealth]

The ganja fairies must be on my side!!! thanks stinks and WH....lol
we have 99% germ!!!!!!
can i get a WOOT!!!!
AND.....the Church sprouted!!!! fuck yeah...The SNLxNH will be getting its own thread...got some plans for them:thumbsup: that will be started soon as i can get the propogation tray from under these....

9- Plan B Smashberry unsexed (purple kush x blueberry)-8 sprout!!
8- Hindu Kush x Black Indica unsexed-8 sprout!!
3- Blue Russian bagseed unsexed- supposed to be the ish!!!-2 sprout!!
3- Church feminized...(fingers crossed)-one taproot already out..other 2 look promising!!!

So even if only the one church grows out...I will hermie her cause i know some peeps who may want some more viable church seeds....wish me luck all......

pics when they are sprouted.....
WT

[DrSpoof]

WT and DB-- best of luck this time. I'll be watching and prayin for ya :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

thanks:thumbsup:
WT

[SnSstealth]

so they are all in thier cups....i think they wil break ground tomorrow...then the lights go on 24 hr (pics then:thumbsup:)....got 24 in there...and from 4-12 SNLxNH going under the single...depends on how i grow em....any suggestions?....psssst...WH?...zome?...:jointsmile :
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Melskid]

SNS, I may be a dumbass but with the changing names of your grows how do I keep up with your site beside having to remember the different names of the grow logs? I used to be able to just look at the opening screen for the different sites and grows.

[SnSstealth]

i only have 3...if you go to your User CP....you can set it to automatically subscribe to any thread you post on....then just keep going to oyur user CP.....that is all;)
WT

[jakezking]

I always just keep up with your threads, because they always have the action. I like your style, my friend. Yeah, I know, you wanna borrow my leisure suit - maybe down the road. I'm still hopin' to fit into again, and I'm not givin' up just yet. But, hang in there, as those dang buttered, syrupy biscuits always flippin' tempt me, so it may be yours sooner rather than later.

I can't wait to see some pictures, because I can rarely read when I am able to really visit this board!

Be good out there!

[KingKronic420]

lets get this party started.

ready to see how the LED's work out this time around.

[justanotherbozo]

i only have 3...if you go to your User CP....you can set it to automatically subscribe to any thread you post on....then just keep going to oyur user CP.....that is all;)
WT


LOL, you are SO patient Whiskey, lol
you guy's have become guru's around here, and rightly so, lol

anyway, i've made the popcorn, now the show can begin

seriously though, may the God's shine down upon your grow!

[SnSstealth]

thanks guys!!! :thumbsup:
WT

[Dogznova]

Oh ya this thread is going to:thumbsup: be hot.

[SnSstealth]

just checked on the babies...and there are like 10 heads popped outta the dirt..so I went ahead and turned on the lights....

let the journey begin:joint1:
whiskeytango

[GreenDestiny]

*subscribed*

[zebulon]

This will be a good one, those are some real nice strains....I'll be watching....
You got any bud from the last harvest?? How is it now, that it has been cured?? Maybe pix??

[Shovelhandle]

I used to be able to just look at the opening screen for the different sites and grows.

I look for the stars for rated threads. ;)

[SnSstealth]

lol...i know shov...I miss the opening screen

[Wert]

church eh? cant say ive ever heard of it.. looking forward to the pics

[SnSstealth]

my Church seeds came from the sky...:thumbsup:

So we again have 100% on seeds germinated right now....second true leaves poking out...only 1 church made it though...gave up on the other two...one of them opened and shed the hull, but remained in a embryonic ball i guess...so Ima leave it in the dirt another day or 2....would post pics, but the look like seedlings in styrofoam cups...nothin interesting....lol
SNLxNH getting wet sat!!!!
whiskeytango

[NaughtyDreadz]

how would you compare the procyons to a MH 400???

[SnSstealth]

id say the procyon is equivalent to a 600MH, or a good 400HPS....IMHO of course....:jointsmile:

[bombdiggity]

subscribed again :D

[NaughtyDreadz]

hmmm U DONT SAY.... thats that is good to know... gonna ask santa for one for xmas... it was that or a volcano...

So you would deffinitely use it for a veg on ur moms???

cuz I', thinking that + 2x 600HPS... right nowI've got 1k MH.. which is awesome... covers 6x8 room plus babies on the outskirts... but I need to optimise my wattage and for that I need a seperate mom/veg and a propper flower room... maybe some light movers too....

sorry.. that ended up being a book... just got some wickid sativa and my mind is racing

[SnSstealth]

oh even with all the red....with a lil fox farm..the procyons exploded the veg growth for sure...definitely a good mum light....we had a 18 in plant with 8 laterals, and only tipped once...LEDs are great for veg all around...just recently they have gotten the flowering good...so in my sativa induced mind as well...i say for moms, a single procyon can do 4x4 very well
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

wt i know you werent sure before, cant remember if you had decided--are you going LST or scrog on these? im doing a procyon grow too (your first log convinced me) in a 2.5'x2.5'x5.5' room and i think im gonna try LST. so i will be watching to see what you choose and how it turns out.

:jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[DrDichotomy]

I have been reading about LEDs as grow lights for a while and I can't seem to find leds that cover the proper spectrum. As far as I can tell, photosynthesis peaks at 2 ranges: 660-680 nm and about 430-470 nm. The Procyon light uses Cree lamps if I'm not mistaken and they seem to be able to cover the blue end but not the red. Am I wrong or should the Procyon be supplemented?

Also, has anyone tried using the arrays of low power leds sold on ebay?

[SnSstealth]

LED Engin sells a 10w 660nm red LED.....the procyons are 635 I believe...its still above 90% absorbtion...the 660s are just too expensive....least they were, getting cheaper now....hint hint HGL...lets see a Procyon 2.0....lol
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

update....
culled 4...the other 2 churches didnt make it..oh well...the one that popped is on here second set of leaves, with everyone else...and they are FAT little leaflets!!
the other 2 culls where BR..didnt wanna lose those, but for some reason, they sprouted, and shriveled without opening their cotyledons...just a stem and a ball..minus hull....made sure the film from inside the seed was off, and it was...so not sure what happened there...
ALL the others are doing GREAT...they may get a transplant to the 1gals on 7-10 days...except the church, she gets a 3 gal.....lol, may be forcing her to hermie....but defintely breeding her, may use some of her chick pollen on a SNL too....hmmmmm
anyways...alls good in the hood....
:Smokebong:
whiskeytango

[sweetgreenbuds]

hey again there whiskey tango. sorry i never went ahead with that grow log but life was just gettin in the way to much......but..........
just as i heard ya mention the 660s, i had been designing a lamp and was goin assemble it for my own grow but as i said earlier, just no time. so i'm havin a guy who does assembly to lay it all down nice on pcb and i'm gonna put it all in a nice lil case with a coolin fan as i'll be consuming about 280W. gonna get a friend to do a grow with it as soon as i've got it as i like it (gettin it as good as i can cause its a nice time consuming hobby at the moment) but i'll try persuade him to post in here. it's gonna have about 9 different frequencies dont have em all with me but its gonna have 60w of 660:thumbsup:
anyhow great to hear the beans have hatched.
much good karma and un-needed luck headin your way
sweet green

[SnSstealth]

all doing GREAT!!!! SNLxNH should be popping tonight :jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

They're looking really good there Stealth.....better than my soil babies at that age. What kind of soil are you using?

[SnSstealth]

actually WH, its a cheap seed starting mix from scotts or miracle gro....they look happy as HELL for their age huh?!?... its made for promoting root growth, mildly nuted....works great, used it for a few years, but wanted to try the FFoF....oops!!!!....lol, wont do that again....I started the thread everyone for my single procyon, SNLxNH yield test grow...hers a link:thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/157497-led-snlxnh-lst-scrog.html

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145373-flowering-mk-clones-cloning-log.html

I believe it's this one Stealth.

[jakezking]

Looks like your lil' ladies have a good start, WT/SnS! It never fails to amaze me the rapid growth those lil' buggers will undergo. It won't be long, and you'll be puffin' on them! By the way, nice plug on the Procyon above - you're re-thinking the bumper sticker on the pot idea, eh?

[SnSstealth]

AAACK!!! so much for the good start...here we go again with the WTF...even put a pic of the medium for yall....look how LOW the nutes are....this soil cant be hot too....dont get it.....grrrrr
got all 3 procyons on em...cant be burning them...only been lights on for 9 days too

ph=6.6-7.0
humidity=55-60%
temp=78*

ANY ideas?
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

bottom leaves feel hard to the touch on the discolored ones too....
WT

[rightway2030]

is it just me or are only some of those plants affected by this issue? just curious. some of those other little ones look great.

do you leave the lights on 24/7? when i grew mine i just set them to 18/6.. not sure if that would make a difference here.

[Weezard]

AAACK!!! so much for the good start...here we go again with the WTF...even put a pic of the medium for yall....look how LOW the nutes are....this soil cant be hot too....dont get it.....grrrrr
got all 3 procyons on em...cant be burning them...only been lights on for 9 days too

ph=6.6-7.0
humidity=55-60%
temp=78*

ANY ideas?
whiskeytango

Aloha, WT, and Mahalo.

I'm no expert, but I have been growing under 4 handhewn Led arrays for a while.
I'm also no diplomat so, I'll say up front that you guys are my heros. ;-}.
So please excuse my blunt style as I chip in 2 cents

There's two thing about the styrofoam cups that can give you grief. First, they are a little short for canna-lings.
The first thing a wet bean does is spike a 4" tap root. It curls up at the bottom of a 3" cup and never quite gets over it.
Then there's water retention. Bottom holes only drain when sitting on a porous surface, so we end up punching drain holes in the sides of the cup. That leaves a pool of stagnant water where the tap root is stuck.
If you use any nutes at all, even 1/4 strength, they concentrate
in the stagnant puddle and kick the PH out of range.
In your shoes, I'd get them in the soil right away, and cut the light way back.
Then I'd raise the light until they stretch, then hold it there and throw about 15Watts of blue on 'em to stop the stretch and keep the internodes tight.

Dey prolly gonna be alright. Jus' no love 'em too much.
<clink tinkle>

Good luck.
Wee Zard

[jakezking]

WeeZard just blasted my mind with some serious insight into the 3" cup. Maybe you could use a cookie cooling rack to set larger cups on with holes poked into the bottom to allow drainage into your tray?

Back to the bathroom, then back to the movie....

[GreenDestiny]

Weezard does have a good point there... try what he said and transplant them into something deeper with better drainage.

I hope this batch can recover!

If not, just use taller cups next time with more drainage holes... and shoot for a 50/50 mix of perlite and plain potting soil.

[suckarepelant]

good luck to your grow man.

[SnSstealth]

thanks for all the imput guys!!
these are 16 oz cups...not 8...so they are actually tall....the seedlings are only 10 days old...I have grown them substantially bigger in these cups before with no issues...I mean plants can get taller than this in a rapid rooter!
But weezard, I appreciate your imput, and who knows....may transplant em soon just for the hey of it if nothing else works....Put the humidity dome back on it to see if that helps too......keep yall posted
wondered if the 3 lights are too much, but i dont think too much is possible with these lights....worked fine starting the other grows.....
damnit........
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Melskid]

SNS my plants are doing great I put them in the planters you see most plants come in gallon containers with the holes in the boottom and sides and put hangers under them to drain any excess water from them. I also put a fan in the closet and that has made it to where I can water it everyday instead of every 4 days. My Master kush plant is starting to grow some nice buds on them and I still have it 4 feet above the plants I have six of them going now and they all are looking great. The Master kush I have growing I brought in from outside is taking off it was perhaps a month old when I brought it in, I knoced off all the dirt from it and put it in potting mix and after a week of looking like it was limp it has been nothing but great since.

[SnSstealth]

thats great melskid....but you mind starting a grow log? Ill come in and check on ya, its a lil proper etiquette on here to not repeatedly update your grow on someone elses grow log...all good in the hood man:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth I agree with the rest of the group. I had an SNL x NH in a six inch pot for a couple weeks and it turned out to be UNDERFED....not OVERFED and it did better in a larger pot with FFOF soil. I say transplant to new soil.....perhaps some Happy Frog?

And while you can possibly "get them bigger" in your cups it's obviously costing you in plant health. TRANSPLANT UP!!

(worked for me and my babies.....about the same size as yours are now...;))

[SnSstealth]

just seems early...10 days, 20 oz cup?...but okie...transplant i shall.....sunday...ish...:thumbsup:
WT

[Weedhound]

Yeah I was really afraid to transplant because the plant already looked overnuted with the yellowing lower leaves etc......but it just kept getting WORSE looking so I went ahead and put it in a one gal with FFOF and 1/3 Happy Frog.......the bottom leaves are turning green again and the plant is doing much better!! Hope it works for your kids too.

PS.....mine are same strain.....SNL x NH. ;)

[SnSstealth]

ahhhh....i see said the, ...well yeah..heh:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

Yeah I was really afraid to transplant because the plant already looked overnuted with the yellowing lower leaves etc......but it just kept getting WORSE looking so I went ahead and put it in a one gal with FFOF and 1/3 Happy Frog.......the bottom leaves are turning green again and the plant is doing much better!! Hope it works for your kids too.

PS.....mine are same strain.....SNL x NH. ;)


Aloha Stealth.

I know how ya feel. "Done it before, worked jus' fine
Stickin' to what worked jus' fine last time almost doomed my grow.
Den realized that every strain, heck every plant is unique in some way. I've had to pull 'lings from 6" pots and found the tap curled before the second set of leafs was out. :wtf:
I'm blessed with plenty of head room, so I no need to stunt 'em by crampin' dey toes.
You guys got grit, holdin' down a job and growin'.
I'm a retired loafer with a small grow and it's allways sumthin' more that needs to be done.
Read through your last two grows, learned plenty, Mahalo.
Real happy that your new pups are perky again!
Been lurkin inna corner here, feelin' like a stepgramps.

Regard.
Wee Z.

[SnSstealth]

tis good....and welcome weezy....yeah, Im sure you guys are right, lol...just trying to wrap my noodle around them getting cramped in 10 days....no complaints I guess:jointsmile:
gettin em in the 1 gal pots, (3 gal for church) tomorrow probably....bea easy all, and thanks weezy, and WH...guess an outside set o eyes is what I needed to comfirm...lol pics up after transplant!
peace pot and micro dots
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth you've checked the ph of your runoff on these devils havent you?

[SnSstealth]

Stealth you've checked the ph of your runoff on these devils havent you?

:weedpoke:uhh.....no..heh.. I know, I know guys i dont check ph enough, but its 6.6-6.9 outta the tap...with soil, i havent ever had ph issues, without overnuting....(if thats what that crazy shit was in LED 1)...im stubborn....will check tomorrow
WT

[Weedhound]

even just to rule it out is a good idea.....just want to make sure about things.....

[SnSstealth]

and i thank you...;) i need to get on it more Im sure...lol
think i got the scrog thing nailed good for the SNLs...cant WAIT to see what that turns out...whatcha think WH...4 weeks veg with one topping at 4-5th node? good side branching on those? Im gonna be a weaving FOOL....lol
whiskeytango

[Melskid]

I shall not bother to write another word on your site. Just thought it being new you'd appreciate input from another lamp owners perspective.

[DrDichotomy]

I shall not bother to write another word on your site. Just thought it being new you'd appreciate input from another lamp owners perspective.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

[SnSstealth]

I shall not bother to write another word on your site. Just thought it being new you'd appreciate input from another lamp owners perspective.

and i do.....you can start a log/thread as easy as making a post....lil defensive? :wtf:thought i asked pretty damn nice....but whatever.....:jointsmile:
WT

[Weezard]

Sounded very gentle to me
What da hey? Look like MK havin' a bad day.
Mo' betta he jus' burn one an' start a new thread, yeah?
Sorry, WW make me silly.

Weez

[kshiwsankar]

where are the new photos? i am following this thread very closely!

[SnSstealth]

well....I was wrong. Weezard hit it on the nose, and WH verified....after cutting open the styrofoam when transplanting this morning....they had SERIOUS root development...fast as hell I thought, but just like weezy said, the taproot was long as hell, and curled at the bottom, sides were full o roots...
SO...in a nutshell.....i was wrong, but the are gonna pull through quite well...IMHO, i think they are gonna explode in the next few days after those roots realize they can move again...into some yummy FFoF....
just goes to show, no matter how long you have been doing something...an outside set o eyes can be all ya need to get over an issue your having.....WH, weezy....thanks guys!!!:joint1:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

Shows ta go ya!
Even a blind pig finds an occasional acorn.
Glad I could find one for you.:)

Like I said before, I owe you guys.
No got bales of cash here for Procyon.
You n DB put yer money where our mouth is.:D

I was just about to cave and hook up the HPS.
Afraid my homebrew LED lights might not cut it fo' da flowers.
Mahalo nui fo' bein' dere.
An' no just me eider!
You've done a solid for monochromaniacs 'roun da world.
Hope you take a mo' and pat yerself onna back, Brah.

Mebee when dis prohibition end you get da public props you deserve.
I mean, damn! You made history!

Regards,
Weez

[jakezking]

WT, I'm glad to see you are moving forward, my friend! Now that all of those beautiful babies have plenty of elbow room, I can't wait to watch them take off! We all get by with a lil' help from our friends!

I'll be following along from here on out! Be good out there!

[SnSstealth]

thanks for the kind words weezy and jake! getting kinda overlaoded...but i dig it! running 6 strains total now in 2 rooms, one SOG, one SCROG....woohoo!!!!...just trying to affirm the LEDs capabilities...learned enough with the last few LED grows...think these two grows will be the winners of the LED debate...so I got alot riding on it....for myself mostly...and anyone watching...lol:thumbsup:
eh.....stoned as hell rambling again....:joint1:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Those little munchkins do like to grow don't they?? :D

LOVE the pig/acorn line. :S2:

[DrSpoof]

Girls are lookin good WT. Thanks, by the way. I went with Ocean Forest based on your first LED grow and the shit is amazing. It's so light and good... never been big on gardens or nature (funny eh?) but that soil was absolutely a dream to work with while transplanting.

:thumbsup:
DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

buddy came by tonight...just got back from cali...had some LA Confidential in lil 1g labeled bottles...DAMN...is all I gotta say...taste amazing...very strong, but clear high...yummy shit...need to get these beans, lol...found a "seed" in there, its kinda light, but hard...so Ima wet it for the hell of it.....would that be tits if it sprouted...heh
gonna go chill with the babies for a while......
WT

[DrSpoof]

NO FUCKIN WAY

i just smoked some LA confidential that my friend/supplier got in today. I literally smoked it 15 minutes ago.

What a small world... :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

fuckin dank huh......shit was awesome, gonna wake and bake the last bowl now before going to work......
WT

[SnSstealth]

and herouana x OG Kush....HEAVY smoke man....
WT


WH!!!!! gotta talk to ya...may have an invite to move to cali to grow for someone!!!!!!! so excited....
whiskeytango

[camoxnhx]

and herouana x OG Kush....HEAVY smoke man....
WT


WH!!!!! gotta talk to ya...may have an invite to move to cali to grow for someone!!!!!!! so excited....
whiskeytango

I use to live in cali in Mission Vejio. I knew a caregiver and they inspired me to try the green thumb.. but that was like 2002/2003. But if you do move to help out.. you got a good heart and hope all is well with the patient!

[SnSstealth]

good shit camo.....hope it does all work out....
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

ok...its official, i want some LA Confidential beans!!!....lol, this shit is so yummy, great high......good times
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

transplanted 3-4 days ago...not much improvement on the yellowing...still has vert growth though...they are all on their 4th set o leaves...tap ph is 6.8...temp 79...humidity 50-60...WTF ya know? not too much else i can think of...we added the portable A/C, but i dont think thats doing anything to them is it? anyone?...first set of leaves are pretty much dead...yellow blah blah blah....whatever
WT

[Weezard]

transplanted 3-4 days ago...not much improvement on the yellowing...still has vert growth though...they are all on their 4th set o leaves...tap ph is 6.8...temp 79...humidity 50-60...WTF ya know? not too much else i can think of...we added the portable A/C, but i dont think thats doing anything to them is it? anyone?...first set of leaves are pretty much dead...yellow blah blah blah....whatever
WT

Aloha,

If dey growin up, dey gonna be OK.
Mo' betta, post a picture or three.
We geevum look, mebee get lucky wit' a fixum:)
You check da PH after you mix da nutes, or are you checking the runoff?

Later

Wee 'zard

[SnSstealth]

no nutes yet wiz...they went into the FFoF with their seed startin rootball...which had LOW nute levels...but I will check the runoff anyway...hadnt checked that yet..just checked tap...:jointsmile:
WT

[DrSpoof]

aye aye, we want pics! :D

Good to hear things are going well over by you guys WT...

DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

Pics!...the yellowing isn't getting worse...and they are still growing, so I think I'm good...hopefully...
the 3rd pic is the church...not looking great....she may pull through, but the yellow got higher on her than the others...they haven't had any nutes, the tap is ph 6.8...temp 78 humidity 60...i don't get it...nothing should be wrong...grrrrrrr:wtf:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth thats EXACTLY how mine looked and they were HUNGRY. You say you transplanted into FFOF soil?

[Weezard]

Pics!...the yellowing isn't getting worse...and they are still growing, so I think I'm good...hopefully...
the 3rd pic is the church...not looking great....she may pull through, but the yellow got higher on her than the others...they haven't had any nutes, the tap is ph 6.8...temp 78 humidity 60...i don't get it...nothing should be wrong...grrrrrrr:wtf:
whiskeytango

Dem girls is fine.:thumbsup:
The bottom leave are jus' "giving it back"
Dem bottom leaves no gonna get greener.
Gonna turn brown.
Da girls gonna suck 'em dry an' drop 'em off.
Topknots look good, you saved them.
mebbee lettum dry out a little as they recover.

I happy to see 'em lookin dat good!:D:D:D

Aloha,
Itty bitty wee tiny 'Zard

[SnSstealth]

yeah WH...into FFoF...should I start feeding em?...i was gonna give em a few more days to start feeding...but if you think....
whiskeyT

[Weezard]

Aloha Whiskey Tango.

I notice that you use tap water.
Just wonder if you have an aerator on that tap.
Makes a big difference. Roots gotta breathe.
Did a little experiment a while back. Noticed that girls who got fresh rainwater did better than girls that got stored rainwater.
Then got to thinkin' 'bout aeroponics.
Now I mix fresh nutes in a gallon jug. then split that water between 2 gallon jugs.
Then just before I pour, I put a cap on the jug and shake the hell out of it to dissolve some air.
Try it, you'll like it.

Best
W.

[SnSstealth]

I'll give it a try wiz...thanks!
WT

[rightway2030]

there's so much valuable information in these threads. very interesting.

[TheFanLeft]

Hope your girls are recovering after the transplant! i'm rooting for you!

Had an idea about these LEDs...seems they add a couple of weeks to the flower time. Any thoughts on taking away a little of their day time? From what I understand they know to flower when it turns dark and some enzyme or something starts to revert back to something else...during light it switches back to day mode. Thought that maybe shortening the day by 30-60 minutes might bring the plants closer to standard flowering times?

tfl

[SnSstealth]

well...i guess its safe to say we got a great recovery by all involved....WOOT! thought the church wasn't gonna make it for a while...and first pic shows me wrong! glad they are all goin now...lost maybe a week, but thats better than losing 20 plants.....AGAIN:wtf:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

its good to see that ur back on the right track.:thumbsup:

[Weezard]

well...i guess its safe to say we got a great recovery by all involved....WOOT! thought the church wasn't gonna make it for a while...and first pic shows me wrong! glad they are all goin now...lost maybe a week, but thats better than losing 20 plants.....AGAIN:wtf:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

:yippee::thumbsup::woohoo:

Happy health kids!
Looked fo' de "Emerald thumb" icon
No can find.:)
Guess I dreamed dat one.
Goodonya! Ya earned a few more gray hairs.

Bye bye
Buy bonds
Save chicken fat
And join the WACs

WZ:stoned:

[GreenDestiny]

glad to see they are thriving

[Weedhound]

They;re looking EXCELLENT there Stealth. :thumbsup:

Weezard.....were you looking for this? :greenthumb:

[SnSstealth]

HAHAHA thanks WH!!!! outta the Plan B Smashberry F2s, they are VERY different phenos....got one that is short FAT and dark...seems to be the one that leans much more to the purple kush side than the blueberry...sounds like a breeder!!! SNLxNH x SB?? hmmm...what kinda hybrid seeds will i be taking to cali??.....heh
defnitely doing the HKxBI and SB though...i love kushes, so Im gonna try to take the most Kushy phenos of those 2 strains to cross.....yummy.....
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

They;re looking EXCELLENT there Stealth. :thumbsup:

Weezard.....were you looking for this? :greenthumb:

It's the legend of the Emerald thumb!
The shining icon of the Cannabinic Illuminutty

It's all true!
Oh sure, there were hints and allegations.
Rumors, inuendos outyo'windows and pennysavers.
Nods winks and knowing looks, but did one dare to believe?
Full knowing that madness stalk the unwary I set upon the quest. :detective1:
Long grueling minutes slogging though the domain of the smilies
Rastas n hippies n pimps, oh my!
Silent, sad, bereft of reason.
I was sore afraid and yet, pushed on snuffling, sweating, grunting, swearing.

But alas no green did see. :i feel stupid:
Then thou didst come and rescue me
So I fed my dog and took a pee.

Did you draw a new one jus' for me!?
Or am I blind and acorn free?

T'anks Weedhound I owe ya one.

Wee

[SnSstealth]

LOL!!! that was awesome weez..... its : greenthumb : but no space between the semi colon.. i just did that so you could see the text:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Now THAT was a beautiful thank you. Wow!!

:)

[SnSstealth]

first 2 are the HKxBI that I think is a male..then a group shot...and then the SB pheno that I am REALLY diggin...much darker and wider than the rest, I "assume" its pulling more towards the PK, in which case I will cross those two.....goody gumdrops...
:joint1:
whiskeytango



edit: 1st is HkxBI m?
2nd and 4th are the SB...PK pheno maybe

[SnSstealth]

fuck I am high....the pots are labeled...i keep forgetting which one i put where as I type and they upload...look at the pic, strain is on the pot...church has the therm on it....:joint1:
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

dammmm thouse R some nice plants now.:thumbsup:

so what does whiskeytango mean? just worndering.

[SnSstealth]

thanks hydro! whiskey tango....military/phonetic for W, T. AKA....White Trash....:thumbsup:
:joint1:
WT

[Weezard]

thanks hydro! whiskey tango....military/phonetic for W, T. AKA....White Trash....:thumbsup:
:joint1:
WT

Love it!
Do look like somebody's ripped to the tits!:D
Hope I can catch ya long enough to ask where I can adopt a church of my very own?

Weezard:stoned:

[SnSstealth]

Love it!
Do look like somebody's ripped to the tits!:D
Hope I can catch ya long enough to ask where I can adopt a church of my very own?

Weezard:stoned:
the Church came from the sky weez...a stork dropped it:thumbsup: and thats not me in the pic, lol....Im only 30
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

the Church came from the sky weez...a stork dropped it:thumbsup: and thats not me in the pic, lol....Im only 30
whiskeytango

Drat! 'fraid dat might be da case.
But, shit, I'm da luckiest guy I evah met.
So,,,
I T'ink I go stand onna lanai wit my hand out an' wait fo' a stork.
Figgerd dat wasn't you, your arms would be too tired to type by now.:D.

A hui hou.

Weez

[SunnyD]

would that be tits if it sprouted...heh


Wow, I've been using the expression tits for the past few years...nice to know another fellow male has made use of this terminology!! lol, I mean seriously...

"what else is another word for awesome?"

"...well...I guess tits are awesome..."

"and tits it is!!"


What a small world... :jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

I completely agree :thumbsup::thumbsup:

P.S. - plants look like they recovered into good health, glad to hear the crop didn't get scrapped!!

I'm watchin this one too!

[SnSstealth]

thanks sunny!!! yeah, tits seems to be a great way to describe something good, lol....I like boobies!!! heh
plants are looking AMAZING, pics up around noon
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Update...The first pic is the Church, she seems to be pulling outta whatever funk she was in...
The second is the SNLxNH, I don't know what the fuck is going on here. The Ph is 6.8 nutes are being fed lightly, every other watering. They are getting the "wet" and "dry" periods, so I know its not over watering. Temp is 78-80, and RH is 55-60%. So, I dont fucking know. CalMag maybe needed?
The last three pics are group shots by strain. SB, BR, and the HKxBI respectively.
There is one HKxBI going nutty in there, lol. Got pre-flowers already too on it. So since breeding and seed stock seem to be the shifting priority, these guys will probably get switched to 13/11 instead of 12/12, this weekend. I am doing 13/11 since I am on 24 now, hoping for a lil more growth before taking clones next weekend. Thats the plans at least... The SNLxNH from the other grow is coming in here, and whatever is breeding is going over there. More on that later, to high to type anymore....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth have you checked the ph of the runoff on the SNL x NH?

Mine will do that too.....but immediately stop when I transplant them into fresh soil.....I can toss up a pic of my soil ones if you want....they do the same that but, again, always stop when I put them in fresh soil so perhaps try a transplant?

Also had some bugs....whiteflys etc sneaking in the house at night (in the living room....not the bloom room thank goodness) so when I sprayed my plants with bug spray they improved alot as well. BUT I think your yellowing is a soil/ph issue.

[SunnyD]

Awesome!! Thanks for the Update

For you SNLxNH, have you tried lowering the ph? Or do you think that is what's causing the burn? Or do you think that the one specific leaf that's on it's own stem has gotten blocked off (Nute block) possibly? I'm just throwing ideas out there for you to respond to...

Looks like your Church is doing fine now, glad to see that, and your HKxBI is quite a Bee-you-t!!

[SunnyD]

Stealth have you checked the ph of the runoff on the SNL x NH?

Mine will do that too.....but immediately stop when I transplant them into fresh soil.....I can toss up a pic of my soil ones if you want....they do the same that but, again, always stop when I put them in fresh soil so perhaps try a transplant?

Also had some bugs....whiteflys etc sneaking in the house at night (in the living room....not the bloom room thank goodness) so when I sprayed my plants with bug spray they improved alot as well. BUT I think your yellowing is a soil/ph issue.

WH beat me to it

[stinkyattic]

Yeah looks like you need calmag. The RUNOFF is 6.8? Check that again. What's the paper? thrip protection? Try a paper plate that extends beyond the sides of the pot if you want it to be effective, and get it up OFF the soil surface to improve air flow. Otherwise it's just mulch.

[SnSstealth]

Thanks guys!! Will check run off and dose with Cal-Mag. Just transplanted recently into a 3 gal...Saw a few gnat lookin teeeny bugs in there, but they dont seem to be minding the plants..no evidence yet...
whiskeytango

[SunnyD]

Cal-Mag

What is that? I'm so lost when it comes to this terminology

I figure out IMO and CFL but idk what that is

and what's CFM? Sorry if this seems a little innapropriate for this thread...

Just a quick couple q's

[stinkyattic]

Proprietary blend of calcium and magnesium salts, stabilized for use in hort apps.

[Weezard]

Update...The first pic is the Church, she seems to be pulling outta whatever funk she was in...
The second is the SNLxNH, I don't know what the fuck is going on here. The Ph is 6.8 nutes are being fed lightly, every other watering. They are getting the "wet" and "dry" periods, so I know its not over watering. Temp is 78-80, and RH is 55-60%. So, I dont fucking know. CalMag maybe needed?
The last three pics are group shots by strain. SB, BR, and the HKxBI respectively.
There is one HKxBI going nutty in there, lol. Got pre-flowers already too on it. So since breeding and seed stock seem to be the shifting priority, these guys will probably get switched to 13/11 instead of 12/12, this weekend. I am doing 13/11 since I am on 24 now, hoping for a lil more growth before taking clones next weekend. Thats the plans at least... The SNLxNH from the other grow is coming in here, and whatever is breeding is going over there. More on that later, to high to type anymore....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

Aloha WT

:wtf: is that on the soil?!

Please say it's not tarpaper.
Roofing felt will kill plants!
Git it off dey feet, please.

At the very least.
With HIDs it'll overheat the soil.
With LEDs it'll suck up the light.
Point a tempgun at that pot, even under LEDs, you may be surprised.
Poly, white side up is great fo' cover da soil, Myla work too, but dey no breath,
I use Plain old paper towels, folded double, den again, cut da inner corner, make a slit.

Dey breath,
dey stop fungus gnats,
dey keep feets cool,
dey reflect,
an' bonus, dey glow bright white under da UV from blue LEDs.

Sure dey get soggy, but dey cheap n handy.

I see the Duct tape on the rims with the sticky exposed.
Nice trick! I'm gonna steal dat. Hope you no mind.

Sorry fo' be blunt, I worry 'bout dese kidz.

Aloha nui braddah,

Weezard

[Weezard]

Thanks guys!! Will check run off and dose with Cal-Mag. Just transplanted recently into a 3 gal...Saw a few gnat lookin teeeny bugs in there, but they dont seem to be minding the plants..no evidence yet...
whiskeytango

Trouble!

If those tee ninety bugs ARE fungus gnats, dey keikei are eatin' your roots!
Get some of those yellow stickpapers for the hatching adults.
They no bodder da girls, dey jus' mate and lay thousands of eggs in moist soil.
Eggs hatch, fungus maggots eat, well, fungus.
But, dey also eat tiny feeder hair off da roots.
Adult plants jus' get slowed down and eventually outrun da maggots, but seedlings are in mortal danger!
Berry berry bad ting here!
Be aggresive!
I bought a pesticide, let the girls get real dry, actually let 'em wilt just a little, then mixed the poison and a little detergent in some aerated water and flushed da pots.
Be sure to cover 'em right away, or the flies will lay more eggs that hatch about the time the pesticide degrades.

Good luck brah
Wee worried Zard

[MVP]

Dude, gnats suck! One of my local hydro shops sells these little critters they keep in the fridge that will eat the larvae of those gnat fuckers. Take care of them quick before they get too outta control. They are a predatory organism of some type that is sold in a sponge - kinda looks like the inside of a tissue after someone blows their nose. Gross looking but worked for me when my dirt moms got the bug.....

[Weezard]

Yeah looks like you need calmag. The RUNOFF is 6.8? Check that again. What's the paper? thrip protection? Try a paper plate that extends beyond the sides of the pot if you want it to be effective, and get it up OFF the soil surface to improve air flow. Otherwise it's just mulch.

Brilliant!
Why didn't I think of that:)
If I can't find any that Glow under the blue. I'll just glue paper towels to the top of the plates an' some yellow sticky papers onna bottom.
(I think my gnats are gone, but, mo' betta safe dan sorry.)
Mahalo, Ms. Attic
T'ink I go prowl your posts now.
Got much to learn.

Aloha
Weezard

[SnSstealth]

sponge o snot it is....gotta find it though, will pyrethin work till then? and cover the pots? thats black construction paper weez....lol, no tar paper!...:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

Dude, gnats suck! One of my local hydro shops sells these little critters they keep in the fridge that will eat the larvae of those gnat fuckers. Take care of them quick before they get too outta control. They are a predatory organism of some type that is sold in a sponge - kinda looks like the inside of a tissue after someone blows their nose. Gross looking but worked for me when my dirt moms got the bug.....

Thanks brah,

For dis gnew gnat info
A snot sponge buyin I will go.
Just saw a couple adults today,
means dere kidz, in dirt still play!
So, my first solution, will not do,
Den I read dis note, from you.

Had some that we're living on rockwool!
Good info, and good timing.

Mahalo.
Weezard

[Weezard]

sponge o snot it is....gotta find it though, will pyrethin work till then? and cover the pots? thats black construction paper weez....lol, no tar paper!...:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

Stiil, brah, I gotta ask, why black?

An , dunno 'bout da pyrethium.
That's what I used and some new adults just hatched.
Looks like the eggs and/or larvae can go dormant when it's too dry and just wait.
Thanks to MVP, I'm onna way to da hydro store.

Get dem suckas!
GNATS BEGONE!
Zzap!
Drat! Still dere.
Wish I was a real wizard.:(

WZ

[punaboi]

Howzit, first post here on da site, I'm a long time prowler on all of your threads for your LED grow experiments. Thank you so much for all the detailed information.

I'm in the process of building a grow shack, I'm leaning heavily towards using LED's for my veg growth. I live in Hawaii, so we have ideal budding light year round.

Even though the Procyon is a bit overkill for me, I think that I will go that route. It would be nice to have the option of budding under lights if a weather system blows for a few days during the winter. Last Feb, we received 23 inches of rain in 48 hours and just 20 miles away had over 48 inches in that span.

WT/SNS: How happy are you with the lights? Would you do it again? Does the light fully cover your grow area, or do you notice that plants positioned in certain spots do better than others?

Once my new operation is under way, I'll post some pix. It will be a few weeks.

Aloha,
punaboi

[Greenthing]

Hello again you guys. just letting ya know i am lurking on your grow log:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

if you have a procyon for each 3x3 of grow space, you will be fine...thanks guys for the comments and ideas!!!!
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

dosed em with an organic insecticide/fungicide...mostly fish oil...room smells like blue crab now....lol Mixed it in with the watering, and gave a light foliar with it just in case....
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

dosed em with an organic insecticide/fungicide...mostly fish oil...room smells like blue crab now....lol Mixed it in with the watering, and gave a light foliar with it just in case....
whiskeytango

No forget to do it again, later!

Dese buggahs are like Uke, (Fleas), dey got a life cycle.
Gotta keep hittin' 'em or dey come back.
You now got thousands of pupae inna dirt.
Dey hatch, hump, n lay eggs firs' t'ing.:mad:

Bug-o-cide dem buggahs.
Den cover da dirt an' kill da growed-up flies,
Den killum again!
Den gettum some "snot onna sponge "to keepum dead!

Can ya tell I no like fungus gnats?:D
Long story.

l8tr
Weez

[jakezking]

WT, your grow seems to be going well, despite some possible nute and bug issues. That 1 HKxBI is insane! Any thoughts to keeping it as a mom since it's such a flippin' monster? I'm glad to see your plants have made an excellent recovery from their early issues, and I hope you are able to address the nute and bug issues quickly. I am glad to see you have some insightful members with much experience in here to lend you good advice.

[SnSstealth]

thanks jake!!! that monster may be used for breeding...think it may be a male though.....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth I've been having bug issues too....not gnats but white flys and they have done some damage. I made it worse by not realizing it was bug damage and tried some other treatments before I ended up blasting the bugs and solving the problem. Hope it works for you too.

[MVP]

Gnats are particularly frustrating. They dig down into the dirt and hide there, laying eggs that larvae attach to the roots and cause their health to deteriorate. I ignored them as an inconvenience until funky things started happening with root rot, etc. and by then it was a MUCH bigger problem... and harder to solve. It sucked bad. Kill those little fuckers and their eggs ASAP. :twocents:

[Weedhound]

Is there something you can put in the soil to kill them?

[SnSstealth]

i watered the soil with that organic insecticide/funguside.....havent seen ANY....but will add some to the next watering along with nutes and cal-mag....dont worry WH, I promise to check Ph of this mix before add ing:thumbsup:.....lol
whiskeytango

guess I was thrown off cause there were no signs o bugs on the plant itself...could these gnats/whiteflies be whats causing the yellowing on some of these still? and the veg growth has definitely slowed down it seems.....one of the SNLxNH didnt make it outta the funk:(:wtf: WH, crispi...you guys ever have any issues with the SNLxNH? knurled leaves or anything? seems those and the church cant shake this yellowing....all the others have come out of it...

[lunarose]

Hi,

Have you tried Gnatrol? Its made from bacillus thuringiensis bacteria which is suppose to be safe and non toxic I have used it in the past and it worked for me.

[Weezard]

i watered the soil with that organic insecticide/funguside.....havent seen ANY....but will add some to the next watering along with nutes and cal-mag....dont worry WH, I promise to check Ph of this mix before add ing:thumbsup:.....lol
whiskeytango

guess I was thrown off cause there were no signs o bugs on the plant itself...could these gnats/whiteflies be whats causing the yellowing on some of these still? and the veg growth has definitely slowed down it seems.....one of the SNLxNH didnt make it outta the funk:(:wtf: WH, crispi...you guys ever have any issues with the SNLxNH? knurled leaves or anything? seems those and the church cant shake this yellowing....all the others have come out of it...


Aloha WT et al

If you had whitefly, it would be readily appearant.
Shake the plant and stand back. They are much bigger dan gnats and they fly erratically, like moths

I'd be willing to bet that the church is in this brand of trouble.
FUNGUS GNAT chirruns!

A single dose of insecticide will not work!
Here is what you are up against;
Life Cycle

Females live about a week and lay 30 to 120 eggs singly or in batches of up to 30 on the soil. Eggs hatch in 4 to 7 days (Steffan 1966). Larval development requires about 8 to 20 days, depending upon temperatures. The resting pupal stage lasts about 3 to 5 days and is located near the soil surface.

Adult flies do not damage plants directly, but are objectionable to consumers and cannot be tolerated on potted plants in hospitals, grocery stores, or florist shops. Adults can emerge from immature forms after sale even when none were evident earlier. Larvae feed on decaying matter and on healthy and diseased roots in the soil medium. They can be particularly damaging to seedlings and other small plants. Damaged roots provide conditions for root diseases, further complicating fungus gnat management and crop health.

for the whole skinny;

Management of Fungus Gnats in Ornamentals (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IG125)

When the foundation is gone, the church will crumble.
No want dat!

Or, in plain english,
Bad things are happening underground.
Do not delay!

Good luck brah.

Wee (hate dem buggah) Zard

[Weezard]

Found this to be interesting.

Many indoor gardeners can live with even this relatively minor threat to the health of their plants. But now, after reassuring growers for years that the gnats were largely a cosmetic problem, researchers have found the threat doesn't end there. In a recent breakthrough, Harris has shown that both fungus gnat larvae and adults occasionally transmit a variety of diseases. She's proved they spread black root rot and Pythium wilt and suspects they transmit many other fungal pathogens as well. It's akin to discovering dust miites carry the common cold.

and

Simply take advantage of the fungus gnat larvae's preference for the upper soil layers and add a half-inch layer of sand to the tops of their bulb pots. "It really works," says Steward. "The eggs probably dried out, or perhaps the adults couldn't emerge."

Sounds like a good idea, after a larvacide, of course.

Wee,

[SnSstealth]

so....i cant fucking post pics....and I need some of you to see these plants..Im not even gonna explain, Ill show pics.....eventually...
whiskeytango

[Dogznova]

I think the yellowing your getting is from wattering with only watter every other time. IMO you should be useing aroung 1/2 strength of nut every time you watter. Again that's just my 2 cents.

[Melskid]

so....i cant fucking post pics....and I need some of you to see these plants..Im not even gonna explain, Ill show pics.....eventually...
whiskeytango Whiskeytango, I bought my procyon and recieved it near the begiining of May I began to flower them in June on the sixth while I can feel the resins on the buds they are all fairly small still. If I were to put an HID light in with the procyon would it still work to make the high resins the procyon or would I be better off vegging under the procyon and flowering with the HID? I'm told by the Hydroponic shop I would get a lot better growth with an HID is that true?

[stinkyattic]

Why can't you post pics? Is it on the server end? Get in touch with one of us or hit 'report' on the post that did not allow a pic upload, explaining what you tried, and that it failed. The server was just epically upgraded, so it's time to work out the kinks!

[SnSstealth]

Mel...your issues could be strain related...My JHxBB didnt do great with the LEDs, but these Kush strains seem to LOVE them...your not into the heavy production phase of flowering, so the buds may still appears smaller for now...put a link in here to your thread if you have made one, and I'll come check it out for ya...got pics up n stuff?

yeah stinks, its server end...keeps saying server was reset...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

again...I am REALLY diggin these HKxBIs...great smell, lovely lookin plants, and after 3 fucking days flowering, there are already 3 plants with MULTIPLE sets o pistils...yummy, big n fast male in the bunch...is probably gonna get it on with that dark n fat SB...it turned out a chick too....had only a few males..the BR is iffy, think 3 males and 1 female...eh...tis good...CLONES a comming...pics up tomorrow hopwfully...
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

hope you get the pics working soon wt... whats the deal with the new avatar, its a bit of a uturn from your usual ones :P

Spiggity

[SnSstealth]

maybe its my end..still cant post pics....grrrr
WT

[SnSstealth]

pics up tomorrow...found out what was wrong with my comp...So for sure, ALL 4 of the BR were males...:wtf: but I may use one for breeding...heard these were some fine beans:thumbsup:
5 outta 7 of the HKxBI were ladies!! The super tall branchy male will probably be pollenating the fat n dark SB I got....
4 outta 8 females on the SB... one of these ladies will probably get the BRs pollen

Gonna clone the Church, 3 of the 5 HKxBIs (mother potentials) and 2 of the SBs...
About it for now...couldnt bring the SNLxNH outta the funk:( work her again next go round....
whisekytango
:joint1:

[SnSstealth]

bump?

[SnSstealth]

lalala.....
So, first 3 pics are the SB ladies. Second is the Church (plenty o clones there!) Third is the HKxBI ladies, and the last pic is the BR and HKxBI daddies I picked...Both daddies will hit the SB. The cross with the BR will double up the blue genes, and the cross with the HKxBI will double up the kush factor. SB is a PKxBluB, so PK being HKxPA (purple afghani) and HKxBI (Black Indica). So that cross will push out the blue in there, hopefully making one HELL of a good med for anxiety/bi-polar/insomnia. Hell, or at least knock me the fuck out so Im not being an asshole anymore....lol...IF I chose the right ones to breed:S5:
Sorry if this makes no sense, but Im kinda planning this as I type, so its very ramble-ish....dont like it, dont read it. Im too high to care:jointsmile::thumbsup:
THEEEEN........
The BR and SB is hopefully gonna be a good cross for me to be able to stay medicated and function during the day...
Church is gonna give up 5-6 decent clones, so thats good...Im gonna flower her and all the others, making mums outta the clones
dunno what else there is, hope someone reads this.....lol, if its you Db, yell at me later if I left anything out....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

yayy pics! what day are you on wt? all the girls look very healthy and very bushy :thumbsup:

DrSpiggity

[Weezard]

Nice kids, WT!

They look healthy, brah!

Got dem gnat bastids onna run, 'yeah?


When Churchey's toes heal up.
"You'll wonder where da yellow went"
When ya wets dey feet wit' Gnats-get-bent.


Sorry, brah, too many tomatoes fo' brefus.:stoned:


I wunner.
What's dat "bump?" tingy?
Hope you no texting when driving.:D
'specially wit yo' driving fingers all occupied.


Jus' finished my Bubba Beamer-PFD.
(Photosynthesis Facilitation Device)
Dat t'ing brighter dan I evah hope to be!

Woof!, gettin a little wobbely.

Betta go tend to da tomatoes, while I still can.

Aloha
Da Weeble dat will :D

[SnSstealth]

thanks weez!
day 6 flower spoof...and got PLENTY of flowers already!! Hairs abound on that HK...fast fuckers...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

They do look happy and healthy. Shame all your BRs turned out to be male, but yes, I'd breed them....it's a great strain!!

Glad your church grew out of her problems....she looks really good too. I'm hoping for my SNL x NH to do the same......just eventually grow out of her issues.

[SnSstealth]

hey WH...is the BR the blue hen russian cross, or blueberry x AK47...I have heard of both blue russians...and sham on those SNLxNHs...grrrr
should I breed the BR into the church? or one of the kushs...how is the high on the BR?
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Its a russian mix.....

You know Stealth considering genetics.....if the kush you are talking about is Master Kush that the stork sent I'd probably go with the Church.....the MK is second generation seeds and the church isnt.

On the other hand....the church has given you a hard time and the kush has grown well right??

[Weedhound]

As far as the high goes.....i think they are both fairly close to each other so either one would do well with a boost of "up" weed.

[SnSstealth]

oh....and clones will be taken tues ish....

may cross the BR into the church and the SB F2...one of the three super dark fat pheno moms Im keepin...culled the runts and lighter thinner phenos from the SB...:thumbsup: breeding for my med purposes. so I may cross em both, and once flowered, if i didnt dig one of the crosses too much, the seeds will be stork bound:thumbsup:
Im sure either way, the crosses will all be super good..Im just tryin to make something to suit my needs.....but aren't we all?:greenthumb:

:joint1:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Stealth I'm trying to keep up w/ your Logs they are all SPREAD out!!!

Hope all is going well I seen the post up on Redwood Tree and I can not find the Questions or issues you are having. Hope all is well I'm subscribing to this thread.. This is the current one to Stick With? LOL

GL!

[SnSstealth]

yeah..this is the only current thread now....lol
whiskeytango

at least as far as the plants growing....
may start a thread for the breeding...
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Were are the issues??? You seem to have narrowed out all possibility's.. Do you think it may be Lock Out? I had the same Issues W/ FF soil in the Early stages but after Ridding it out the soil looses what seems to bother the plants...

Good Luck

GL!

[SnSstealth]

whole lotta beans coming outta this batch....anyone lookin skyward?(rep me, you know who you are:thumbsup:)...lol
issues seem fixed to me GL...even church is back at it strong...
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Same Here Thank god We were blessed...

[Opie Yutts]

Issues? I hate to give advice on issues. If I'm wrong I stand a chance of screwing up someones grow. Is that browning on the leaf tips form slightly overfeeding perhaps? Looks like it was worse a couple weeks ago, and with the tiny amount of brown on the newer leafs, maybe she's ok now. Anyway they're looking pretty good now, or is there another issue?

[Opie Yutts]

SnS and GL, I always welcome blessings, from the sky or otherwise. I was blessed a bit back, and wouldn't mind it again. It's kinda nice. Nice is good. I may even be able to do a bit of blessing myself.

A bit back a big boy was blessed beyond belief. Blatant blessings possibly begot big bundles of beans.

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey what's Op!!!

He worked out what ever issues that were taken place:D:D. Opie I have a story somewhat like yours. It goes like this a buddy of mine blew out a garden a while back and he left a fool to manage all great strains and did not kill off a male:D... Anyway I have a whole film Container Mixed w/ the best of them:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:...

Stealth IMHO I honestly believe it is the FF soil:(:(... That product has given me nothing but headaches. The first two months always thinking deficiency's checking all variables. Then Bang it is back to business as usual and you say ILL never use that shit again.. Then the second time it happens you stick to your first set of WORDS... LOL

Stealth did you take a look @ the $1700 LED? If so what do you think I did not see it but I heard about it... Did you hear anything about Sq Ft Coverage on that piece. I can not find it online I looked up PROCYON if that can handle a whole VEG room on it's own it is absolutely worth it.

Thanks GL1

I was not the FOOL... LOL:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile: REALLY

[Weezard]

Hey what's Op!!!

He worked out what ever issues that were taken place:D:D. Opie I have a story somewhat like yours. It goes like this a buddy of mine blew out a garden a while back and he left a fool to manage all great strains and did not kill off a male:D... Anyway I have a whole film Container Mixed w/ the best of them:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:...

Stealth IMHO I honestly believe it is the FF soil:(:(... That product has given me nothing but headaches. The first two months always thinking deficiency's checking all variables. Then Bang it is back to business as usual and you say ILL never use that shit again.. Then the second time it happens you stick to your first set of WORDS... LOL

Stealth did you take a look @ the $1700 LED? If so what do you think I did not see it but I heard about it... Did you hear anything about Sq Ft Coverage on that piece. I can not find it online I looked up PROCYON if that can handle a whole VEG room on it's own it is absolutely worth it.

Thanks GL1

I was not the FOOL... LOL:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile: REALLY

Hi GL

Steve Fortier over at Greenpinelane is testing that pricey buggah now.
Got pictures and urls.

A Hi Ha

Weezard

[SnSstealth]

A bit back a big boy was blessed beyond belief. Blatant blessings possibly begot big bundles of beans.
fuck yeah!!! thanks for that one opie...laughed my ass off..all issues fixed, and GL, the FFoF is fine, once you realize how hot it is...TRUST me, stinky saved us last time from it..with light nutes, FFoF rocks..IMHO
Opie...I predict an Avian Aerial Assimilation of Acinus Around your Abode:greenthumb:
whisekytango

[SnSstealth]

males got their cluster on! gonna have ALOT of pollen as opposed to my needs. can pollen fly with the birds as well? Sucks that all 4 BRs were male, but an impressive daddy was retrieved.
whiskeytango

[BeFree]

It gets interesting when 'natural' selection meets the needs of a breeder.
You being the 'natural' part. Have a good one, WT. =D

BeSafe. :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

thanks bfree!...
just took cuttings, and I had to take some weeee lil ones...hope all is good with em...pics up later tonight
whiskeytango

[jakezking]

WT, I can't wait until I get to where you are - really analyzing genetic traits to determine which candidates will most likely make good crosses, resulting in offspring which more closely meets your medical needs. Dude, good on ya! I hope your resultant crosses suit your purposes to the T.

As always, I'm interested to follow the development of all of your ladies and now gentlemen, and you already have me hooked well into the future to see how these potential crosses will grow out. Dang fine thread, my friend!

[anbesol]

lookin nice!!!!

[Projman]

Sns, so you've found that some strains work better with LED than others?

[SnSstealth]

Indica heavy strains, or open structured sativa heavys, like our church,(only survivor outta alot I am told, she got 5 clones taken today..LOVE her growth pattern, spread out lovely after topping, thanks for that info WH!!) seem to work best with the LEDs. That is why our yield was low on the JHxBb.
um....:stoned:
I, am, sofa, king stoned right now....that is all......:weedpoke:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

thanks bfree!...
just took cuttings, and I had to take some weeee lil ones...hope all is good with em...pics up later tonight
whiskeytango

UPDATE:

Were is the PICS???

[GreenLeaf420]

buddy came by tonight...just got back from cali...had some LA Confidential in lil 1g labeled bottles...DAMN...is all I gotta say...taste amazing...very strong, but clear high...yummy shit...need to get these beans, lol...found a "seed" in there, its kinda light, but hard...so Ima wet it for the hell of it.....would that be tits if it sprouted...heh
gonna go chill with the babies for a while......
WT

The LA Confidential is very tasty but low low low THC IMO... Very light buds too... Flowering takes a while as well for what you are going to get out of it... I tried some from my friend who has been in High Times 6 Times made the Cover Once... True Master but a sneaky Mutha Fuka... That was his reports on that strain!!!

[SnSstealth]

shit was strong as hell...
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Yeah I smoked it great Taste Really Nice Flavor.... The High was very Mild Day time head IMO!!!

[SnSstealth]

gave me perm-agrin from hell too...lol
WT

[Iscandar]

Hello, I am a newbie so please excuse my ignorance. After reading your posts you convinced me to use LEDS procyon 100's. When you said that they can cover an area of 3x3 is that a total of 9 plants? So 1 procyon to 9 plants in a sq footage formation?
I spoke with the makers of this light and the wholesale price 1-20 is $460.

If you vegged for 6 weeks and then flowered under these lights do you believe that you can pull 8oz from each plant? I was thinking Northern lights or White Widow.

In your opinion how tall would these strains be after 6 weeks of vegging under procyons?

Thank you in advance.

[SnSstealth]

If I understand you, you wanna get 72oz outta 3x3? No way in hell man...Now 8oz in 3x3 area is more realistic...Vegging for 6 weeks? Sounds like you are going big plant setup...If so, you should only have one plant in that 3x3 area...
whiskeytango

[Iscandar]

Hi,
Thanks for the info. I want to yield atleast 8oz pr plant. How big should the plant be and how long do I need to vegg for this size in your opinion? I also plan to use hydro and not soil. I thought one plant per sq. ft would be the right set up for that yield. So should I change the size to 3x3 instead of 1x1 per plant?

[SnSstealth]

8oz per plant=HUGE plant...start a thread, and some hydro people will come answer your questions..I dont know shit about hydro...
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Hi,
Thanks for the info. I want to yield atleast 8oz pr plant. How big should the plant be and how long do I need to vegg for this size in your opinion? I also plan to use hydro and not soil. I thought one plant per sq. ft would be the right set up for that yield. So should I change the size to 3x3 instead of 1x1 per plant?

IF YOU HAVE NEVER GROWN READ TILL YOU THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE THEN READ FOR TWO MORE WEEKS... THEN COME BACK W/ ANY QUESTIONS... THAT'S JUST IMHO YOUR TWO DAYS ON THE SITE LOOKING FOR 8OZ PLANTS!!! GOOD LUCK GL1 Sorry For the Jack SnS WT GL

[Iscandar]

I have been reading on and off for 2 years but finding accurate data on yields and common yields with a particular strain is not easy to find. The DVDS are not full of that info either. I had people telling me that you can get 1lbs per plant if it is 5ft tall. I couldn't find any data online to back that claim up. Most growers are growing in small areas with plants less then 4 ft. So I am searching for info on plants that reach maybe 6 ft before they are harvested.
Now it seems that LEDs have reached a point where they can be used successfully. It was proven here. And that helps the situation for heat signatures as well as electric bills. I just need more info on yields with bigger plants. So far I have not come across anyone with this info that I really need.

[Opie Yutts]

If you are going to use LED and you want 8 oz per plant you had better be prepared to veg a long time and grow a high yield variety. Also use fogging or aeroponics and CO2. Try a veg time of 6 months to start and see how that goes.

[GreenLeaf420]

I have been reading on and off for 2 years but finding accurate data on yields and common yields with a particular strain is not easy to find. The DVDS are not full of that info either. I had people telling me that you can get 1lbs per plant if it is 5ft tall. I couldn't find any data online to back that claim up. Most growers are growing in small areas with plants less then 4 ft. So I am searching for info on plants that reach maybe 6 ft before they are harvested.
Now it seems that LEDs have reached a point where they can be used successfully. It was proven here. And that helps the situation for heat signatures as well as electric bills. I just need more info on yields with bigger plants. So far I have not come across anyone with this info that I really need.


Stealth Sorry for JACKING

I have 1 Question...

Do you have the equipment Ready to GO?

Iscandar You need to start a THREAD but since we are jacking SnS's Thread already... You will not find info on people getting 1lb off a single plant under a LED because it did not happen yet to my knowledge... Anyway I never heard of people getting 1Lb off a single plant unless it is Outdoors... Indoors in W/F's mostly home made jobs I've heard of people getting 14-15 Oz Max... What you are asking for is basically impossible IMO w/ LED or HPS... You need to really rethink what goals you have... What are you looking for 1.)energy savings 2.) Yield 3.) limited Amounts of Plants ect...


If you do not have the equipment we are discussing Tall Tale Gardening...

Figure out what your Goals are and put it all in a THREAD and we will try to help you acheive what is possible and in reason...

Good Luck GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Sorry for Jacking your Shit SnS's ;););)

WT 420GL1:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

no prob on the jack...Iscandar, start your own thread man...your not grasping this idea it seems...you wont get 8 oz a plant in a 1 plant per ft sq...EVER....impossible...you will need about 4x4 for a single plant to yield that much...please keep all questions NOT related to this thread...out of this thread...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

here are the weeeee clones I took. The tall ones are the Church, the ones to the left are the 3 SB clones, and the rest are the HKxBI clones...love that plant...lol I know they are tiny before I get yelled at, but it was wither take small clones, or none...I choose small. They look a lil droopy, but 3 days in the dome, look normal to me. A lil birdie told me the stork is flying by, so some AK clones will be in this dome in a few days:D :giggity:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango


Db came through with some cat piss last night...mmmm I highly recommend getting some if you guys ever get a chance...Too bad the other grower wont come off any clones or beans..Stingy fuck.... lol...Even offered to pay for em, trade for em...He doesn't want anyone else getting them, thats how strains get lost...AAA anyone?

[SnSstealth]

Didnt wanna chop them too bad...too small still, and wanted to have SOME harvest...lol
First pic is church
Second 2 are the HKxBI's
Last 2 SB's
They look quite happy to me..glad that shit was over
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Pics I forgot to add...tried editing and adding, but I guess some new toy there I cant figure out. If you click my edit, It gives you a compare option, but wont show the pics...
anyhoo,
enjoy....
whiskeytango

[SunnyD]

They're looking nice. Are you worried about those lower fan leaves at all?

[Iscandar]

sorry about the jacking

[foxysox]

Hey WT those ladies are looking nice- tell them I think their new pots are very stylish and practical! ;)

[SnSstealth]

thanks foxy!...Ill pass the message...
Sunny, those are the leaves that were damaged from our earlier issues...They didn't come back all the way, but weren't dead enough to pull em..
whiskeytango

[SunnyD]

Roger that, stayin' strong!

[Opie Yutts]

Lookin pretty good. Wise choice not pulling half yellow leaves off. I think people like to pretty up their plants for the photo sessions, but they would be much better off leaving leaves on that still have some green in them. So what if your cuttings are small. They don't need to be big. They only need to be big enough so that there is enough foliage for them to eat while they are getting roots. If everything turns yellow before there are some good roots, then they are too small to start. Otherwise, not. I've rooted many cuttings the size you show.

[SnSstealth]

sweet!!! thanks opie..I was hoping you would take a look at em for me..I feel better now.
whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Nice work on this grow.

It has been along time since I checked in on your endevor and I must say they are looking much better than the last time I checked:) Some seem to have the nice deep green that I like to see.

What was the problem you were having earlier on with heath issues? Over nuteing or water?

I haven't read back in your log due its length but how far along are they?

JG

[DrSpoof]

lookin pretty wt... god i love these friggin LEDs :thumbsup:

Spiggs

[SnSstealth]

JG, how goes it? They have been flowering for 10 days I believe. Think the issues where Ph related...Dropped the Ph, added some cal-mag, and the girls popped right back...left the half yellow leaves on, plants still using em I guess.
whiskeytango

[hatch]

HY WHT'S UP???,,,,,,,,,,,,Looking Good In The NeighborHood!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,Grow On My Brother Grow On!!!:jointsmile::stoned::pimp:

[djmidnight22]

Hey sns, i've been quietly watching your grow logs for some time now. Your ladies are looking fantastic! I hope your ladies continue to flourish. Can't wait to what the LEDs can do this time around! :hippy: :rastasmoke:

[rightway2030]

goddam these plants look good. i hope my next batch start off this strong, but it's tough not knowing the strain like what im experiencing in my grow

im still too paranoid to order from the seed banks lol

[illnillinois]

Heres a couple of pics GL sent me, he wanted me to post..

[illnillinois]

sorry man,

[SunnyD]

Why did GL get banned?...

[illnillinois]

ill stop in from time to time:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:







..without thread jacking. whispers

Why did GL get banned?...
dunno. dont think he knows why either..

[Weedhound]

Stealth you probably mentioned this and I forgot....are you going to top those gals in post #183 or bend them?

[SunnyD]

dunno. dont think he knows why either..[/SIZE]

Strange...I'm curious

[SnSstealth]

well welcome to the pink room WH!!! lol Im gonna just let em go since they are almost 2 weeks flowering....took clones, gonna flower em small cause this go round became a clones and breeding grow...So I'm just flowering em out small to see phenos, so I know which ones to cross....
The BR males popped some of his luscious powda this morning!!! gonna stick it in a medicine bottle for another week or 2 before pollinating....WOO-HOO......the HKxBI guy hasn't popped any yet...
Thanks for the relay illin.... mrniceguy421? is that the one?
whiskeytango

[MrNiceguy421]

Hello I feel like a newb around here!!! Wow You have No IDEA I can not believe the way things have changed:cool::cool::cool:!!! Thank GOD 4 friends:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I really did not know how much I LOVE this site untill I came back on... I'm really messed up I can not figure a few things Out... I really would like some answers but I have to wait to see how they adjust... The Procyons have me messed up I just have to wait it out...


Thanks Your a Nice Guy:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

mrniceguy421....sns_stealth loves yahoo email..Its great to have free email...cant give ya my email addy though, against the rules:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Collecting pollen all morning...yipee!!! The HKxBI male has about a week till popping...this BR was FAST...which is a great thing breeding wise. Perfect dad...stinky as hell, flowered in 2 weeks!!!, and great parents;)
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

First 2 pics are the Church, doing quite lovely after her haircut, as they all are. The second 2 pics are the SB, and the 2 I will post next are the HKxBI, which continues to amaze me, fuckers are FAST!

After finding out Fri that Im gonna be a daddy:dance::clap::what::joint1::giggity::eat::woo hoo:, the 2 males seemed to feel the vibe. The BR daddy has given all kinds of powdery goodness already, and the HKxBI pops is lookin like he only has 4-5 days left before doing his business...

Clones look half dead, but they are feeding on the lower leaves, so I guess thats a good thing...we shall see...

[SnSstealth]

Bet the vibe around these plants is gonna be alot better too now, Im sure my happy daddy vibes are gonna rub off....cant wait!!!!!!!
whiskeytango

[SunnyD]

I like their haircuts!

:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

SnS, do you mean a real daddy, like with human child? If so congrats. It's amazing. Get ready to lead a different life.

[rick3289]

Hi stealth it really cool seein some success with tha LeD's. Looks like youve been at it and got some of it figured out. I am lookin to use Led's on my next grow and was wonderin what kinda recomendations as far as which led's to go with and mind this will be for single plant scrog and budget is off high importance, cant afford tha proxicons etc. Looking at the "glow panel" 45 watt, and one thats 50 watt high power they are all like 12x12 panels. Are these worth a shot. Not really have to get huge yields etc jus enough for some personal use. Any help would be great. Name says rick but it should be Mulletman!!:rastabanna:

[SnSstealth]

the panels are garbage...wont work. If you want budget, building your own would be the best bet...check the perfect LED growlight thread for info on that....
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

the panels are garbage...wont work. If you want budget, building your own would be the best bet...check the perfect LED growlight thread for info on that....
whiskeytango

I'll second that!
WT knows of whence he speaks.

And, I just don't trust that vendor.
Dug up their specs.
Did the math.:wtf:
Does not compute!


Just my :twocents:
Weezard

[rick3289]

Thanks for the reply, saw your thread on the perfect led but kinda had skimmed through it the first time looks like I need to take a second look. So yall know those types of panels I was talkin about. yeah theres like this huge price jump with the leds its like it goes from tops 100 dollars to bam 500 and 600. From the outside I was just lookin at watts and thought well 45 watt panels for 100 dollars or so or those 90 or 100 watters for like 600 bucks and thought the 45's are tha deal. Thanks might be back.:wtf:

[Weezard]

Thanks for the reply, saw your thread on the perfect led but kinda had skimmed through it the first time looks like I need to take a second look. So yall know those types of panels I was talkin about. yeah theres like this huge price jump with the leds its like it goes from tops 100 dollars to bam 500 and 600. From the outside I was just lookin at watts and thought well 45 watt panels for 100 dollars or so or those 90 or 100 watters for like 600 bucks and thought the 45's are tha deal. Thanks might be back.:wtf:


That's reasonable. And 45W. is enough light for a couple girls.
But, these guys claim 45W. from 112 10mm. LEDs.
That's 400mw ea.
Let's see, um carry the remainder,,,<scritch>
About 200 ma. per LED.
Their 300Watt unit has the same math impairment.
288 LED at 1 Watt ea. even 97% efficiency are not 300Watts!
:wtf:
I know what ya mean about prices.
Still, if they were cheap, I wouldn't build my own.
look at all the fun I'd miss. :)

Aloha Weezard

[Weezard]

Oops, sorry for the jack WT, forgot where I was.

Weeze

[Weedhound]

Congratulations again Stealth. And your plants look good and healthy these days too. :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

theres like this huge price jump with the leds its like it goes from tops 100 dollars to bam 500 and 600.

Without fail you get what you pay for. And 45 watts of nothing but the proper wavelengths might grow a very small plant.

[SnSstealth]

Dateline: August. 17, 2008

The last few days weve been under heavy bombardment from the enemy. Our recon team brought us some valuable info on their true identity and there activities. It seems the biting midge(southpark anyone?), as its called, likes 80° and wet soil. So we mounted our offensive by jacking the a/c down to 72°, and suspending any any watering or foliar feeding. Also we have deployed the Hot Shot Pest Strip 101st Division and it seems to be making advances along the front. Recon also found these glue strips online with 2 holes at either end placed on a stick and driven into the soil, as the midges (midgi?) are prone to walk up the stem to take flight only to be trapped by the strip. We had the parts needed so the engineer corps. made a reasonable copy that seems to be a major weapon in our arsenal. Yesterday we called in the Naval forces to attack them with fish oils and other nutes in a hope to carpet bomb the entire installation.

The fight has been hard but we are beginning to see some headway. None of their scouts (adults) have been captured outside the closet. They may have heard punishment will be swift and severe...lol. Recon has shown this morning that a lone soldier was seen scurrying across the wall, but this is a significant improvement.

Be assured the war is not over but the fight is being taken to the enemy with as much passion, skill and technolgy needed to send those sons-of-bitches back from whence they came - outside.

That is all. Any troop movements or other significant happenings will be reported as it is known.

corporal DB:smokin:

...lololol

P.S. Here a picture of our enemy. Know your enemy more than it knows you.

[joedirte]

...LOL!!! right on. KILL EM ALL!!! :beatdeadhorse::apachecopter::rambo::Tomcat::toile t_claw::S4::gunfighter2::asskick::gunfighter2::hip py::hippy:

[Opie Yutts]

Darn pests. Perhaps they should be court marshaled.

[SnSstealth]

They's nothing but low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worms! Hanging's too good for em. Burning's too good for em! They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

[jakezking]

WT, sounds like you're deploying just about your entire arsenal for total annihilation, eh? I wish you luck, my friend, but it sounds like you really don't need luck anymore. Pests are a royal pain. I never knew how bad whiteflies are until 1/2 of my gardenias disappeared in a white cloud. I neemed them up good today though, and will continue until they are history, much like your midges.

Congratulations on having a lil' one on the way. There's nothing quite like it. From the way you take good care of your plants, I have no doubt you will be a great dad.

Your plants look really outstanding despite your pest issue. I wish I could get mine to be as dark green and healthy looking. Keep up the outstanding work, my friend!

[sweetgreenbuds]

hey SnS
congrats on the iminent arrival, im real happy for ya.:thumbsup:
i just been so busy this summer (damn work keepin me form my woman, my home and my planned grow. my lady wasnt comfortable lookin after them so i got a friend now startin a new grow with the lamp i made (it looks so sweet, i'll fire up that old thread and get some pics prob within the next 2 weeks).

its runnin about 130 watts of luxeon rebels and 6o watts of the ledengine 660's so got big hopes for it. my mate's gonna take pics once a week so i'll post a log and drop in a link for ya. so excited been waitin to do this for so long.

peace out:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

There is NO SEX IN THE GROW ROOM...lol

The midge wars are going well. I believe we've stopped most, if not all, from mating. Found out they can lay 50-100 eggs:wtf: There are still a few moving around but by this time in the last life cycle(thanks weez) there were adults all over the bedroom. They dont seem to be getting to adulthood, probably from the pest strip im sure. Although the glue strips on a stick seem to be collecting a decent amount of them too. BTW to anyone using red/blue LEDs, dont expect anything to be attracted to yellow(glue strips and such) at least not nearly as much as in white light.

hey jaz, the papers ive read on im pretty sure they arent doing much to the plants as they supposedly eat dead material. Still, they are unwelcome. Sorry to hear about your white flies:( and yeah whiskeys gonna have his hands full but im sure him and the wife will have a great kid...ive seen the way they train their dogs ...lol j/k.

We'll try and get some pics up today as the pistils for budding are shooting out all over the place:yippee:

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Sorry if this question doesnt pertain to your grow WT but i think i just purchased the same Hot Shot Pest Strips as you (the one that relases oderless vapor) and wanted to know if they would have any affect on plants in the room. I read the back and it says its not for use in a room where you are in for long periods of time.

DoDo

[SnSstealth]

hey Dodo,
good to see ya:thumbsup:

I think I remember stinkyattic say it was fine until the last 3 days. could you confirm stinks?...lol

Doughboy:smokin:

[lunarose]

Hi, I hope you have conquered your invading hordes.Those no pest strips worked great for me when I had trouble with spider mites one year.

I have been following your grows and they are amazing. I have a question I know in the past you have grown using "old school" light and I know the yields have been similar to both methods but am wondering if you have noticed if the plants have had the same nute needs with both light systems what about compared to sunlight? I haven't tried to grow inside yet but your grows do intrigue me. Am I wrong in thinking that inside grows require stricter care?

[SnSstealth]

Well....I made a lazy decision, and now I am not gonna be able to cross the Blue Russian:mad::(:wtf:
I put the pollen in a film canister for only a few days, and it reconstituted itself I guess. Powedery pollen gone, pieces of the flowers are all green and soft again...ARRRGGHHHH So...in sumation, 4 BR seeds, 4 males, and lost pollen, way to fuck up a good thing whiskey.....
oh well, the HKxBI pollen seems fine, so the kush hybrid should still come on track
whiskeytango:stoned:

[Opie Yutts]

DoDo, I can't remember if I mentioned it before, but cool AV. The pest strips are great and will kill your critters. The reason it works is because there is a toxic chemical in it that we should try to not expose ourselves to. There have not been enough studies to know exactly what it (dichlovis sp?) does to humans, but it kills living things. So, like bug bombs, don't inhale. If you are considering trying to have kids in the future, maybe consider some natural shit that helps with control rather than eradication, like neem oil. If you follow the directions and don't put the strips in your living room you should be fine though. I would not use them in the last, ohhhhh, I don't know..., maybe 4 weeks of flowering. There's no way I would want to smoke or otherwise ingest that chemical. If you can find the strips I would buy a few extra because they will soon be unavailable due to the danger involved. Yes they work, and they work well.

lunarose, yes indoor plants require more care than outdoor plants, but as a reward you get more from them if you do things right. Outdoor plants could be as easy as throwing some seeds into a clearing in the forest and forgetting about them until fall. The easiest indoor plants would be in soil (just slightly easier than a simple hydro grow), with fluorescent lighting and a small fan. If set up properly they could require attention as little as once per week. If you want to drop some coin you could have it set up so you could check on them once per month.

Plants desire the same things though, no matter what the environment. They want 5800K light for vegging and 2500K light for budding. It doesn't matter if it comes from the sun or a microwave oven. If it comes from the sun, the plants will get a bunch of extra wavelengths, some of which will be used and some of which will be wasted. When we grow indoors, we don't try to mimic nature, but we try to improve upon it or extract from it only the things plants need or want.

Your question is asking if plants getting different kinds of light will want varied amount of nutrients. Hmmm. Not sure on that one, but I think not. Plants in hydro require less nutrients since they are more efficiently processed than plants in soil, but I don't think the presence or absence of certain kinds of light would affect what a plant wants to eat. Now I want to hear from an expert on the subject, and I'll be adding it to my list of experiments.

WT, Sorry your sperm went bad. Damn flowers. We're still on schedule as far as I know.

[Opie Yutts]

We're still on schedule as far as I know.

Uh, if by on schedule you mean something other than on schedule. WT please check email. Damn cops.

[lunarose]

Thanks. It just seems that WT has needed to do a lot of adjusting and tweeking with his grows and I was wondering if it was typical of indoor grows.

[SnSstealth]

Thanks. It just seems that WT has needed to do a lot of adjusting and tweeking with his grows and I was wondering if it was typical of indoor grows.

Growing with LEDs, learning new shit..gotta tweak alot...lol
Definitely less nutes needed with the LEDs...
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

Growing with LEDs, learning new shit..gotta tweak alot...lol
Definitely less nutes needed with the LEDs...
whiskeytango

And a whole lot less water.

Aloha, Moonflower.:D

In soil it is very easy to overwater with LEDs.

Didn't know about nute uptake.
I use about half the recommended concentration in a DWC with great results so, haven't had a problem, yet.:)
Also notice that unlike HPS, bugs can "see" the LEDs and are attracted.

Het WT,
any other quirks you can think of?

Aloha,
Weeze

[SnSstealth]

The Reds are coming!!!! The Reds are coming!!!

Apparently the midge doesn't mind a Hot Shot Pest Strip...Could care less. Might even go as to say, they love it! For some reason, 5 days with the Hot Shot, AND THERE ARE TWICE THE BUGS!?!?!?!?!?!

Enter Big Boy,
The B-52 has flown over the grow. Deployed Pyrethin Bomb...Fuckers better die now goddamnit...

Other than that, they are budding like CRAZY, and nasty resin at 22 days flower on the HKxBI!!! WOOT!
Dern yellow spots from first grow are back, for those who were around. The plants are all getting lighter nutes, and PH corrected water?!?!? Is it the bugs, or are the plants (got CO2 running) using up the nutes too fast, and are getting deficiencies?

fuck man...
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

Aloha, WT n DB

Dem buggahs couldn't care less 'bout plant sap.
Dey want people sap. (the growed up flies, that is.)

But their kids!?
Argh! Just like the Fungus Gnats, when the larvae run low on decaying crap, they start nibbling root hairs.:mad:
Looks like nute problems because uptake suffers.
Killing adults is just spinning your wheels.
Might make you feel betta' but wont help da girls.:)

Time for a little larvacide!
The Larvae live close to the surface.
They can be poisoned with a drench.
They pupate in the top inch of soil and are then difficult to poison. (Pupae don't eat and hardly breath)
1/2" of white sand on the surface will stop future hatching and the worms will pupate and die.
Easy to water through, non-toxic and reflective.

Kill a few million for me,:D
Weezard

[SnSstealth]

gonna try the sand...Did a soaking with a larvacide 2-3 times already..
WT

[Weezard]

gonna try the sand...Did a soaking with a larvacide 2-3 times already..
WT

Good!
It's more when, than how much, but I'm sure you looked it up.

About the sand;
Clean, aquarium grade, white sand is best.
Got the tip from a Tulip farmer.
It works for F.G.s but, there are many kinds of biting Midges.

If you have the type of Midges that some folks call sand fleas, it may not be as effective. Don't really know Texas bugs.

"I'm not an expert, I just play one when stoned." :D (Love that line, stole it).

Guess I'm just worried about da "Ladies of the Light".
Got some closeup shot of the symptoms?

Virtually paternal.
Weeze

[veggii]

well I don't know about ya'll but Texas has some super hero fleas ...:wtf:

[lunarose]

WT and Weezard, Thanks. I am certainly learning a lot here which is going to save me a lot of grief I was thinking all I would need to do is get the right lighting and bring the girls inside(G) I have to be careful because I have a tendancy to love my plants to death(G)

[SnSstealth]

We are actually in FL weez, so the sand fleas might be a possibility...hmmm
WT

[norcalkush]

try barricade from advanced nutrients and scorpian juice they will prevent mold and bugs from gettin to your babys

[lunarose]

What you need is one of these footsoldiers from the royal guard of hemp aka preying mantis(G)

[jtonnnn]

just moved to orlando loosing my mind no buddies help

[Weezard]

just moved to orlando loosing my mind no buddies help


Well, if your mind is already loose.
Ya go nothin' to lose:D

E-mail your old buddies and invite 'em to visit .
If you're lookin for conversation, try the lounge.
If you want to DIY with LEDs, you came to the right place.
If you're fishing for Green Buds, you didn't..

Aloha, brah
Weezard

[SnSstealth]

what he said....:thumbsup:
WT

[SnSstealth]

First and foremost.....
THANK YOU to the flock of storks that seems to bless some of us...Some AK clones arrived this morning in their lil pink basket...Seems the took a long journey, but I feel very good about 7 of the 10...AK....Day 1 rooting
9 HK clones are rooted and got dirty this morning
4 Church clones " " "
2 SB clones " " " " "

Added 4 t12s to the room, donated to the cause, cant hurt...
Seem to have achieved annihilation of Midge...
Nute and Ph levels appear fine....

:joint1:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Watch those Ak's....let a few loose and they take over the house like you wouldnt BELIEVE!!

Stealth could you humor an old lady and recap the bug issue you've been having.....are they spider mites or ?

[SnSstealth]

thinking its midges weedy....HUNDREDS of gnat lookin things I guess, not doing damage to the leaves as far as I can tell, but they are rampant in the soil....
until the organicide and bombing.....heh
Notposting pics of theAK for afew days, lol....But VERY nice cuts I must say....lil flimsy n scraggly, but hearty stems, and still green...Im sure they will make it...least 50%

post update 2:
stork army unite!!!
Just got 10 Sour Diesel beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

hey WH,

they're called biting midges, or no-see-umms, or sand-fleas, or fungus gnats, all of those are the same bug. found this UF paper on them and matches them to a tee.


Biting Midges of Coastal Florida 1
C. Roxanne Rutledge and Jonathan F. Day2

Coastal area residents and visitors to Florida are often aware that something is biting, but when they look for the offender, none can be found. Sometimes they may see what appears as a speck on the skin. Florida, unfortunately, is home not only for abundant mosquitoes, but also for minute biting insects known locally as "sandflies" (elsewhere as "no-see-ums"or "punkies"), although the more correct name is"biting midges. " They are especially troublesome in coastal areas, where most of Florida's population lives. Biting midges are particularly abundant in the vicinity of mangrove swamps or salt marshes.

What Are Biting Midges?
These insects are all extremely small, less than 1/8" long. They belong to the insect order Diptera (two-winged flies), family Ceratopogonidae, genus Culicoides. Florida has 47 species in this genus, but only seven are significant human pests. The four most important, in order of their pest status, are Culicoides furens, C. mississippiensis, C. hollensis and C. barbosai; these are coastal in distribution. Several species are associated with dairy cattle and farming operations.

Appearance, Life Cycle, and Breeding Sites
Adult biting midges are gray in color with distinct wing patterns. When biting, or at rest, the wings are folded, scissor-like over the abdomen. The eyes on each side of the head are black and the biting mouthparts protrude forwards and downwards. Eggs are minute, cigar, or sausage shaped and black in color. The eggs of C. furens take about 3 days to hatch at 80 °F. Those of C. barbosai, C. mississippiensis, and C. hollensis, take 5 days to hatch at 80°F.

Some species occur primarily in wet mud in and around mangrove swamps and salt-marshes. Some larvae occur in the wet, but not submerged, mud around dairys, farms, swine and sheep operations. The eggs, which cannot survive drying, are laid on wet mud in the breeding places, that is, the habitats where the juvenile stages (larvae) are found. The larvae develop through 4 stages (instars) and are creamy-white in color and eel-like. They are predaceous, feeding on other small organisms. Full grown larvae are 1/8 to 1/4" long. The total time spent in the larval stage depends on temperature and the season. When mature, the larvae change to pupae and remain in this stage for about 2-3 days.

Biting Habits
Only the female midge bites and takes blood. When biting, the midge uses small cutting teeth on the elongated mandibles in its proboscis to make a small cut in the skin. At the same time, a chemical in the saliva is injected to prevent blood clotting. Capillaries severed by the cut bleed and form a tiny pool of blood, which is then sucked up. Feeding takes approximately 2-5 minutes. The greatest biting activity in both species is around dawn and dusk. Some biting may continue through the night, but rarely during the day, unless the sky is heavily overcast and the winds are calm.

Reproduction
Female midges take blood to provide a source of protein for egg production. However, female C. furens and C. mississippiensis may also be autogenous, which means that some individuals are able to develop eggs immediately after they emerge from the pupal stage, without first taking blood. When blood has been taken, it is digested and the protein extracted to form eggs in the female midge's two ovaries. The number of eggs produced depends on the size of the female and how much blood she takes. Culicoides furens females will produce between 50 and 110 eggs per bloodmeal and C. mississippiensis from 25 to 50.

Seasonal Abundance
Culicoides furens is primarily a warm weather species that begins to appear in large numbers as soon as the spring warming trend begins. Biting females are abundant throughout the summer, with numbers decreasing as temperatures drop during the fall and winter months. Depending on local conditions, C. furens may continue to be a pest in south Florida even during the winter. Culicoides mississippiensis has two major population peaks, one from February through April, the other from late September through December. Populations of this species are lowest during the summer.

Human Disease Transmission
Both C. furens and C. barbosai , especially the former, are vectors of Mansonella ozzardi , a human nematode parasite. This worm, which rarely produces symptoms of disease in infected persons, is native to South America and is found also in several islands in the West Indies. The worms live primarily in the blood, but its juvenile forms (microfilariae) are found also in the skin. Female midges ingest the microfilariae when they take blood and then transmit the parasite to uninfected persons.

Control And Personal Protection
Control of adult biting midges with insecticide sprays is mediocre at best and temporary in nature due to the continual emergence of these flies. The larval habitats are so extensive that control of the larvae is not possible. Mosquito control districts in Florida are not funded to provide control of biting midges.

On the east coast of Florida, large areas of swamp in several counties have been impounded (surrounded by dikes and kept flooded with water), an environmental method, that involves changing the breeding habitat of the midges. Females no longer lay their eggs and larvae no longer develop in the flooded mud. Impounding is an effective control method both for salt-marsh mosquitoes and biting midges.

Recommendations for Bite Prevention

* Avoid outdoor activity during peak biting times.

* If outdoor activity can not be avoided during biting times, apply repellents labeled for biting midges according to the label.

* Increase air movement in screened porches by using high velocity fans.

* Screens can be treated with barrier sprays or portable foggers according to the label for temporary reductions in small backyard situations.

* Refer to the fact sheet on "Mosquito Repellents" at Mosquito Repellents (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IN419) for details on repellents that may work on biting midges

Footnotes
1. This document is ENY-629, one of a series of the Entomology and Nematology Department, Florida Cooperative Extension Service, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida. Publication date: September 1997. Revised: May 2002 and May 2005. Reviewed: May 2008. Please visit the EDIS Website at EDIS - Electronic Data Information Source - UF/IFAS Extension (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu).

2. C. Roxanne Rutledge, associate professor, and Jonathan F. Day, professor, Florida Medical Entomology Laboratory, Cooperative Extension Service, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida, Vero Beach, FL 32962.

The Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences (IFAS) is an Equal Opportunity Institution authorized to provide research, educational information and other services only to individuals and institutions that function with non-discrimination with respect to race, creed, color, religion, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, political opinions or affiliations. For more information on obtaining other extension publications, contact your county Cooperative Extension service.

U.S. Department of Agriculture, Cooperative Extension Service, University of Florida, IFAS, Florida A. & M. University Cooperative Extension Program, and Boards of County Commissioners Cooperating. Larry Arrington, Dean.


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we first noticed them a few weeks back and the adults were EVERYWHERE in the closet and my room. I got some pest strip w/ a light on it for my room, cleaned up in the closet added fish oil herbicide and they seemed to be gone only to reappear a week ago. then we got militant on them, pest strips, 70° weather, gluetraps in pots, then two days ago we sent in the pyrithium(?) bomb. none today but they may still be in the tunnels waiting to attack. so tomorrow im getting some white aquarium sand for the top 1/2" of the pots to stop the pupae from reaching the light. i hope that will end it

db