Episode 3...Revenge of the LED

[d4twamp]

Stealth, maybe your insect opposition is on the run from FAY and lookin for refuge in the cultivation station...lol... hope the storm isn't effecting you guys out there...

MMMMMMM SOUR D beans, make sure to pack that strain with you guy's for your cross country trek to the golden state... I'd love to take a SD mother under my wing in my womans refuge...olo...
later d:S5:

[d4twamp]

hey SNS crew,

I was also having a fungus gnat problem, at the hydro store they had some stuff called NOGNAT it's suppose to be for both dirty and wet applications. just wondering if you've heard of it...But it seems the P-BOMB may have taken care of it.

later D:S5:

[BeFree]

Good deal on the annihilation of the midges. *phew*

And the ladies are looking mighty mighty fine.:pimp:

Have a good one and Be Safe, bud.:jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

dammmmmm dude. they R looking great. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks hydro:jointsmile:
WT

[upNsmoke2]

;) from the other ..db..

good bye my friend

[Weedhound]

Holy Tamoly Stealth.....I really HAVE been out of touch. Thanks for the taking the time to fill me in.

Hope that aquarium sand works for you....I never would have thought of that.

[lunarose]

We get swarms og gnats every spring here in cali they did a real number on my first grow...I still have nightmares(G) The sand works well but can be a pain when you go to water. I used weed cloth that I have cut to cover the soil weighed down with a good layer of perlite.

[SnSstealth]

Fay must have given the stork a head wind, got the girls a lil too warm...Think life support is failing, give the AK girls another day or 2 maybe. Any suggestions? almost scared to post pics of em...lol

Other clones are appearing to start growing vertically again...Will pluck off the few pistils still on em after the are a lil more rooted scared to tug on em now...

Everything else going ok, other than the same spotting from the first grow...Ph is correct, CANT be over-fert, is it possible that with the CO2, and the LEDs, blah blah blah...that maybe the are deficient? I dunno....maybe Mg def. because they are still growing, but brown spots-to yellowing-to necrosis....psh...

whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

I doubt you've got enough light under LEDs to justify CO2- post pics?
Brown spots - rust brown or tan brown? Small or blotchy? Regular or random? Pics...

[Weedhound]

Stealth what about UNDERfert?? Is that possible?

[Opie Yutts]

Fay must have given the stork a head wind, got the girls a lil too warm...Think life support is failing, give the AK girls another day or 2 maybe. Any suggestions? almost scared to post pics of em...lol


Bummer, maybe plop a couple in some dirt.

[veggii]

plz post pics

[veggii]

ran out of edit time oops! anyhow the book i have has two defiiciencies with brown spotting ,
(k)potasium
symptoms:older leaves (first tips and margins,followed by whole leaves) develop spots,turn dark yellow,and die.Stems often become weak and sometimes brittle.

(mn) manganese
young leaves show symptoms first.
they become yellow between veins(interveinal chlorosis),and the veins remain green.
symptoms spread from younger to older leaves as the deficiency progresses.
Necrotic (dead) spots develop on severly affected leaves which become pale and fall off:overall plant growth is stunted, and maturation may be prolonged.Severe deficiency looks like a severe lack of magnesium.

i quoted that from book
says flush and treat with chelated micronutes
also young and newer growth develop chlortic dark orange to dark rusty brown mottling on leaves.
also says toxicity is compounded by low humidity

hope that might help ya figure it out

[SnSstealth]

First 3 pics are the HK and SB, last 2 are the Church, which seems to me to be unrelated...Any ideas? I am starting to think that the first 3 are actually hungry, read deficient, and the Church maybe N?
Any ideas?
whiskeytango

[Weezard]

First 3 pics are the HK and SB, last 2 are the Church, which seems to me to be unrelated...Any ideas? I am starting to think that the first 3 are actually hungry, read deficient, and the Church maybe N?
Any ideas?
whiskeytango

Several syptoms with a common thread.
i e tiny necrotic dots.
Looks like insect damage.
I'd whip out my microscope and look at the bottom of those "freckled" leafs .

From the look of the buds and new growth, you may have already fixed it.
The fan leafs are toast.
No gonna get betta.:)
The new growth seems happy.
Are they using water and gaining height?

Curious Weeze

[veggii]

ok here is a bit on (n) nitrogen def.
nitrogen is most common def.
symptoms include slow growth.
lower leaves cannot produce chlorophyll and become yellow between the veins while the veins remain green.
yellowing progresses through the entire leaf eventually causing it to die and fall off.
stem's and the leaves undersides may turn reddish-purple,
but this can also be a sign of a phosphorous deficiency.

progression at a glance:
older leaves yellow between veins
older bottom leaves turn entirely yellow
more and more leaves yellow.severely affected leaves drop.
leaves might develop reddish-purple stems and veins on underside of leaf.
stealth, plz check the veins under leaves
///////////////////////////////////////////////////
toxicity(overdose)
a overdose of (n) nitrogen will cause excessively lushfoilage that is soft and susceptable to stress including insect!! and fungal attacks.the stems become weak and they may fold over easy. the vascular tissue transport tissue breaks down,and water uptake is restricted.
In severe cases,leaves turn a brownish-copper color,dry,and fall off

the #3 picture are those leaves a blueish-green color ??
I emailed you the phosphorus deficiency " you've got mail" lol
oh ya these are quotes from book

[veggii]

:DI see in my ealier post I did'nt add enough on the Potassium def. after reading the book, it sounds very close to what I see in pictures.

(k)Potassium starved plants initially appear healthy.
Deficient plants are susceptable to disease.
symptoms include the following:
older leaves(first tips and margins,followed by whole leaves) develop spots,turn dark yellow and die.
Stems often become weak and sometimes brittle.
Potassium is usually present in the soil,but is locked in by high salinity.
First,leach the toxic salt out ot the soil and apply a complete n-p-k fertilizer.
potassium deficiency causes the internal temperature of the foilage to climb(heat) andthe protein cells to burn or degrade.
evaporation is normally highest on leaf edges,and thats where the burning takes place.

Progression at a glance
plants appear healthy with dark green foilage.
leaves loose their luster.
branching may increase,but the branches are weak and scrawny.
leaf margins turn grey and progress to a RUSTY-BROWN color,and then curl up and dry.
Yellowing of the older leaves is accompanied by RUST-COLORED blotches!!


toxicity
occurs ocasionally and is difficult to diagnose because it is mixed with the deficiency symptoms of other nutients.
Too much potassium impairs and slows the absorption of magnesium,manganese, and sometimes zinc and iron.
look for signs of toxic-potassium buildup when symptoms of (mg) (mn) (zn) (fe) deficiencies appear.

looks like it might be this one? potassium deficiency caused by ?? nutelockup?? I'm a noobi dont know much:D I just qouted from the book cause I wanted to help in someway, gonna read the mg def know

[DrSpoof]

!!! :(

Don't die little plants! You want to live! :thumbsup:

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

lol...they will live...I just want them to not be stunted bad.
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

There's some red going on in the leaf stems and even the main stem too...
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

Maaaaan, they be root bound! Look at those leaves!

[SnSstealth]

Maaaaan, they be root bound! Look at those leaves!

just the yellow leafed church or all of them? all others were transplanted from 1 to 3 gal pots 3 weeks ago. dont really have the space to go bigger, but today we'll repot the church (w/rocks this time:wtf:) and see what the roots look like.

gotta work, if you can think of anything else let us know
thanks again, again, again...
db:smokin:

[stinkyattic]

No rocks, perlite. Lots of perlite!!! And drain holes. Extra ones. The downward-cupped leaves mean rootbound. Just slide the plants out of their homes to check and see. Do a soil runoff test too.
Some of that low yellowing may be caused by insufficient light to those leaves as well.

[SnSstealth]

so i should get 5 gal pots for em? didnt think they would get root bound, they just got transplanted from 1 to 3 gal a few weeks ago...
WT

[SnSstealth]

thanks stinky. they sell perilite at regular stores? cuz the grow store is too far away for the budget.

been doing lots of reading and future soils coming in to the room will be different. dont know what yet but florida and "non-sterilized" dont go well together.

db:smokin:

[veggii]

I saw some perlite @ wallyworld , is there something else that can be used instead of the perlite that works the same as perlite?

[stinkyattic]

Vermiculite is ALMOST as good but you can get perlite pretty much anywhere, including home depot. I'm actually surprised you aren't using it yet- if I'd known that I would have told you ages ago! I think a lot of your problems have been from lack of soil lightener actually; root rot forms in wet heavy soil. It doesn't need to be STERILE, but it needs to be FRIABLE and LIGHT.
Just check the root ball...

[d4twamp]

whats up WT & DB,

In my soil grows I used both perlite and vermiculite mixed into the soil, well actually soil and coco mix. Have you heard of the brand ROYAL GOLD they make
a mix called BASEMENT MIX very light, w/ lots of perlite and lava rock the roots of my seedlings thrive in this mix along w/ a lil OREGONISM XL... Then when their ready to transplant I go to something hotter, and less lighter like MENDO MIX from ROYAL GOLD or AMAZON BLOOM don't know if it's available in FL. Next time I do a soil grow I'm gonna try the soil mixes from the ROOTS ORGANICS line I'm pretty sure it's only available out this way, I have seen some of their products online though.

later D:S5:

[Opie Yutts]

veggii, perlite helps add air to the soil, and vermiculite helps maintain moisture. I stopped using vermiculite except for germination and rooting.

[SnSstealth]

we have been using the roots too....seems just as hot and tight as FFoF alone...seems to be my only issue i guess...Stuck finger in pot...packed n wet still, so there ya go!
Gonna drill hella holes in it today, and add perlite to the clones that are getting transplanted soon
thanks to all for the help, I am sure this rootbound/water-logged issue will solve the rest, everything was tip-top other wise. temp, Ph, rh...
whiskeytango

[veggii]

hey opie ty, I want too find something other than perlite,as I reuse soil for outdoor veggie garden and lots of people see it and leo picks up on the perlite,any other organic stuuf can use inplace of perlite, opie?

[d4twamp]

we have been using the roots too....seems just as hot and tight as FFoF alone...seems to be my only issue i guess...Stuck finger in pot...packed n wet still, so there ya go!
Gonna drill hella holes in it today, and add perlite to the clones that are getting transplanted soon
thanks to all for the help, I am sure this rootbound/water-logged issue will solve the rest, everything was tip-top other wise. temp, Ph, rh...
whiskeytango

WT I thought hella was predominantly Cali slang. I see your ready for the move...lol...

later, D:S5:

[Opie Yutts]

any other organic stuuf can use inplace of perlite, opie?

certainly nothing as light, but there are a lot of things you can mix with your soil to help it get air.

pumice or expanded clay, though the latter will retain more moisture, so don't use with much vermiculite, if any. Also there is crude perlite, which is not expanded and more the color of soil. Don't know where to find it.

[Opie Yutts]

Hey veggii, what about spreading a bunch of perlite out on a sheet of cardboard and spray painting it soil color? Spray lightly as to not fill in the holes. I know, I'm definitely outside of the box.

Oh yeah, what I do about perlite standing out is to mulch or cover it with some dead grass or leaves. Mulching has lots of other benefits anyway.

[Weezard]

Hey veggii, what about spreading a bunch of perlite out on a sheet of cardboard and spray painting it soil color? Spray lightly as to not fill in the holes. I know, I'm definitely outside of the box.

Mo' betta, spray inside da box, ya?
Dat stuff is skittery.

Oh yeah, what I do about perlite standing out is to mulch or cover it with some dead grass or leaves. Mulching has lots of other benefits anyway.

And, if you don't cover it with something it tends to rise to the surface and blow away

No stress about perlite.
It's not gonna trigger Leo, the louse.
It's a very common item.
Something you find around the house.:D

Gardeners have been fluffing their soil with it for 30+ years.
Don't know if it's effective for blocking gnat n midges though.
Its much more usefull mixed with the dirt,

When using LEDs, us cheap buggahs won't waste watts.
I always used something white or reflective to cover those dirty pots.

I'm using CDs now to cover my rockwool and hydrotron.
Stops algae, reflects lots of light and annoys bugs.
Looks pretty :cool: too.


Ciao fo' now.

Al O'Ha

[veggii]

Hey veggii, what about spreading a bunch of perlite out on a sheet of cardboard and spray painting it soil color? Spray lightly as to not fill in the holes. I know, I'm definitely outside of the box.

Oh yeah, what I do about perlite standing out is to mulch or cover it with some dead grass or leaves. Mulching has lots of other benefits anyway.

sounds like a stellar idea! changing color would work!! hmmmm maybe soak in gallon of sun tea ?? turn it brown maybe? that could work

[SnSstealth]

Thanks guys!! Think the 3-4 days of tropical coverings on the pots took care of said midges and such..
The Church went into a WELL drilled Gro-Depot 5 gal bucket, with Roots Organic and added about 40% perlite to said soil. Loosened up the rootball a bit and set her in...she should be fine
All the other pots also got 8-14 3/4in holes drilled in the pots, and the sand taken off, Im sure it wasn't helping the waterlogged issue...All the dirt mix in the other pots are PACKED...So some skewer stabbin will be going on in those pots tonight...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Feel free to chastise, but I went hari-kari on these root balls with some thin wooden skewers. Had to. The root balls were all ROCK hard...You were right again stinks:greenthumb:
So with all the extra 3/4in holes, and the stabbing, the rest of the girls should be fine till harvest...I hope.
The Church definitely should recover...
They all got a LIGHT feeding this morning too, not enough to drain out even
whiskeytango

15 of the 18 clones I took are rooted and going strong...I already FIMed the mother potentials, going bush/bonsai for the mums...So I guess ALL is not lost if worst case scenario occurs...

[veggii]

good sounds like your back on track,keep a eye on them tho just incase!
you had fun stabbin them didn't you!! lol :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

It was more of a "this will hurt me more than it hurts you" kinda thing.....lol
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

Spray painting perlite will do a couple things:
-Make it less porous and change its physical properties
-Introduce a potential source of toxins into your system. If you don't take paints/solvents seriously, google 'hydrohut syndrome'... that wasn't even in CONTACT with actual plants...

Vermiculite is brown and less visible as a waste product. It's not as good as raw perlite, but hella better than painted perlite.

[d4twamp]

I would have to agree with Stinky, wouldn't painting the perlite defeat it's purpose...

D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

For the record, that was a side conversation, I have no intentions of painting perlite...lol
WT

[Weedhound]

I thought they were removing vermeculite from the market because of health/asbestos issues. Anyone heard anything along that line about perlite as well?

[d4twamp]

I knew that Whiskey, I should have directed it to I think vegii was the one lookin to camo his perlite. sorry for the confusion, if any...

So were you guys serious, I recall a mention in some thread about the the stealth crew considering a future hydro grow... A hydro/led/lst... I'd subscribe to that thread in 2 tenths of a heartbeat...

Keep being good w/ the ladies

D:S5:

[d4twamp]

Haven't heard of anything with the vermiculite or perlite, but a while back the owner of one of the hydro stores in town told me that she talked to a sales rep and they told her that higromite had some asbestos in it... Don't have any proof to back that up, I have looked online to see if I can find any info but have had no luck


later D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

Yes, yes...between WHs gargantuans, and Stinks suggestions/success has gotten me to CONSIDER getting wet...
I know, I know, I give dro guys shit alot...but I am learning more and more about it. And I can still keep my medicine organic, just shorten flower times and clean up a lot less.
Keep your eyes peeled D4.....:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

In general, you should ALWAYS wear a dust mask when mixing media, no matter what it is, and also keep a spray bottle handy to mist it and keep the dust down. Asbestos is dangerous when it becomes airborne; keep your medium damp and your face covered and you are pretty safe.
I got the worst double sinus infection of my life from mixing bat guano and mycostim without a mask once... 6 weeks later, I had learned my lesson. :(

[Opie Yutts]

SnS,
I'd love to see you give hydro a try. I know you wouldn't be disappointed. My advice would be to just do something small and simple at first to check stuff out and get the hang of it.

Stinky,
Most people don't realize how dangerous guano is. Since there are so many safe alternatives I don't even consider using it due to the health risks. Anyone handling it should have a full hood respirator. Don't look at it, and don't breath while near it. Research this shit if you don't believe me.

veggi,
I know my perlite changes color after a few feedings, it gets brown. Maybe a nute soak?

[lunarose]

You aren't kidding about using a mask and it probably won't hurt to wear gloves too.

Perlite doesn't really turn brown after waterings and feedings but it definitely gets less white and seriously unless you are planning to use it straight in a clearing with nothing but pure dark soil no one is going to notice it.

[stupefacient]

I've been using stuff from home depot. I forget the name, but it comes in a yellow bag. its a vegetable and herb garden mix (not potting mix). it's just peat moss, perlite, and dolomite lime. has has a small amount of nutes already in it, but its minimal. then I put it in a plastic tub from wally world and mix in a little organic fertilizer, more lime, perlite, and vermiculite, and add liquid karma to some water and moisten. then let sit for 2-3 weeks and it should work fine. I didn't have any problems with 20 plants.

[d4twamp]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for the SNS dro show Stealth... I agree w/ Opie you won't be disappointed...It will just complement the fact that your already good w/ the ladies, and have a shrek pigmented appendage on your hand that isn't a finger...lol...

D:S5:

[Weezard]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for the SNS dro show Stealth... I agree w/ Opie you won't be disappointed...It will just complement the fact that your already good w/ the ladies, and have a shrek pigmented appendage on your hand that isn't a finger...lol...

D:S5:


Aloha, WT n DB,

'Dro, bro's, 'dro!

F*ck mud!
I'm never going back
Weeze

[SnSstealth]

In over a decade of growing, I have never gotten wet. But I may be trying a DWC with the next batch of clones.
Got a lot of pics to take and show you guys, I have been slackin there. The plants seem to have bounced back nicely, We have 2 mom candidates from the HKxBI, that are OH SO FROSTY already, yield and smoke will judge the keeper...
15 of the 18 clones taken have rooted and are starting veg phase, so they will go in the flowering room, except the mums to be soon.
None of the AK made it (BOOOO!!!!!!!), but we will try that again hopefully. Stork got stoned and missed the house, lol.
Update tomorrow morning....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[lunarose]

Personally I think that amazing things will happen once you marry LEDS with Hydro not that amazing things haven't been happening up to now but......

So where in my find state will there be a pink-purple glow?

[SnSstealth]

Out in the redwoods hopefully luna.....:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

Hey, all hows it going I have learnt a bit about perlite in past couple days,most off it is harvested rite here in the Sierra Nevada's and in its raw form its color looks like rock. perfect for what I am trying todo(not trigger the sheriff living next door),but not sure how good the air properties in that form.they harvest it in that form(ore) and bake it in a oven approx 3000* and it pops into the white stuff we use for soil,kool huh. they say its properties are like glass and it also makes for anti-fungal! I might try tea to deaden up the bright color.
yo WT hows the pics comin, lets see some frothy frost i'll be checkin in the morn for some...PORN
dro,dro, dro,dro,dro woo-ps got stuck lol too baked :D

[d4twamp]

The redwoods are nice WT & DB, the cooler weather makes for easier indoor ops. So damn hot here I'm shut down till it gets a lil cooler. sucks I'm already out of meds from my last grow, and havin to buy again :(

Can't wait to see the attack of the frosty clones

D:S5:

[veggii]

oh man hey WT I just remembered i wanted to ask you how did you do the additional holes in your pots? did you put holes in bottom and sides?alot or just a few? maybe show in pic ? anywho cya's in da morn :jointsmile:

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Girls are lookin lovely again...Veggii, I used a 3/4in paddle bit to drill holes in the sides and bottoms of the pots...made about 7-12 extra holes per pot...
First pic is the 15 clones, dont have a regular light in there for pics yet
clones are:
2 SB1
4 Church
9 HKxBI 1-5
Second 2 pics are HKxBI #2 and #5 respectively. These are my 2 choices for mums...Smoke and yield will be the final decision between the 2.
4th pic is the new 4 60w T12s added for schnitz n giggels
5th pic is the AMAZING HKxBI #2 top going strong!!!
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Some pics of the Church after being put in the 5 gal. Lookin better than it was? What do you guys think?
whiskeytango

Other than the clones that are mums to be, the rest will be in the flowering room in a week to 10 days...

[Dogznova]

Not the dreaded T12's lol. Get some T5's and watch your results explode. Looking good

[SnSstealth]

Got the lights free...will see what I gotta do to get the fixtures to take T5s...Do I need another ballast?
whiskeytango

[Dogznova]

Ya you will need a different ballast and different end caps for the lights. I have never retro fit T12 for T5 but someone here I'm sure has. I use a Sunlight Supply 8 tube one.
Puts out 40,000 lumes and makes 20" bushes in a little under 4 weeks from clones w/low heat. I then pop w/HPS and get great results. I also have 100 watts of T5's in with my 100 watts of LED and the T5's make the led veg room expload.

[SnSstealth]

Ya you will need a different ballast and different end caps for the lights. I have never retro fit T12 for T5 but someone here I'm sure has. I use a Sunlight Supply 8 tube one.
Puts out 40,000 lumes and makes 20" bushes in a little under 4 weeks from clones w/low heat. I then pop w/HPS and get great results. I also have 100 watts of T5's in with my 100 watts of LED and the T5's make the led veg room expload.

probably just toss these T12s then...But definitely gonna supplement the Procyons...wouldn't hurt
whiskeytango

[veggii]

Mornin WT ,BD they are looking happy campers! I see you got a pic with the leds on LuV that;) I have retro fitted some T12 fixtures to T5 and I have those 2 same HD $9 T12 Light fixtures I'm thinking of retro-fitting. Its not to complicated have too drill a couple holes,fit new ballast and install some T5 Lamholders Done, oh wire it up! they do get quite warm tho .. I can help you futher if you want but those T12's are running much cooler and prolly work well with the Leds
oh before I forget that one plant looks like gonna be a big a** bud! :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

SnS, sorry about the AKs, what a bummer. There's nothing wrong with T-12s, in fact they have their advantages. They cost more to run than T-5, but the initial investment is much less, and they run cool unlike T-5. You can let the plants grow right into the lights with only minimal heat stress. T-5's will fry em. The most important thing to consider is the color of light. A 6000K will do way better than the more common 4100K shop light, which is right in the middle of the dead zone for chlorophyll activity.

retrofit, schmetrofit.

PS: My avitar wants to know if your new one can come over for a play date.

[Weedhound]

Your church is looking good there to me Stealth. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Thanks guys!!
Opie, mine said only if you got a few fatties rolled up!...lol
Thanks WH!!! She would've been MUCH bigger, but since we took 6 clones off her, there she is...Her replacement will be in a 5 gal...so be lookin for that monster!!!

Opie, thanks for confirming what I figured. When I did my numbers, the T12 seemed do be a DAMN good fit with the 3 procyons. And the girls sure as shit seem to like it, so nothing changes there... Think Db went and got the 6k bulbs already anyway...

Veggii...that is the HKxBI #2...DEFINITELY a clone made mum already going of her:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Well props to you for the church since she not only survived but is now having kids. :D :thumbsup:

[lunarose]

The redwoods are beautiful and the weather is similar to where I am. Don't let the hot summers worry you any mmj loves it.....and it is a dry heat. Next time I am up your way I'll look to the night sky for the purple pink glow(G)

Your ladies are looking good especially the church with her early problem.

[DrSpoof]

wt -- man i forgot how great your space is, the 3 procyons look so slick. i like the added flouros, too. I wish I had a nice long space like that to work with :jointsmile:

the church looks great, her color seems to have returned :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

SnS, sorry about the AKs, what a bummer. There's nothing wrong with T-12s, in fact they have their advantages. They cost more to run than T-5, but the initial investment is much less, and they run cool unlike T-5. You can let the plants grow right into the lights with only minimal heat stress. T-5's will fry em. The most important thing to consider is the color of light. A 6000K will do way better than the more common 4100K shop light, which is right in the middle of the dead zone for chlorophyll activity.

retrofit, schmetrofit.


ahh... opie remember who your talking to...:lol5:

i got 3000k this is correct version for flower right? they were very red compared to the ones i replaced.



Well props to you for the church since she not only survived but is now having kids. :D :thumbsup:

:woohoo:f'n amazing right? cant wait to see what her babies look like without the issues:greenthumb:

[d4twamp]

Damn stealth, I like the pix, thanx 4 the update... sorry to here about your loss(ak's)... I'd still love to expiriment w/ leds, in a hydro gro...that neon glow is hypnonizing

D :S5:

[veggii]

probably just toss these T12s then...But definitely gonna supplement the Procyons...wouldn't hurt
whiskeytango
or could overdrive them with a T12 ballast from a 8ft 2 bulb T12 light,can also get 2pks of 3000k/6500k @ HD for 7$ so they are cheaper than T5 ;)

[Opie Yutts]

i got 3000k this is correct version for flower right? they were very red compared to the ones i replaced.




Yeah that's correct for flowering, at least until someone tells us where we could get t-5 2700, or better yet 2500. Stinky says they're available. I can't find them.

[SnSstealth]

So ideal would be 2500?
whiskeytango

[Dogznova]

Here is some T5 2700K HO 54 watt 4' ones 54W T5 HO 2700K Bulb | Residential/Commercial Energy Saving Lights (http://www.accessdiscounts.us/sku-69192.html)

[Opie Yutts]

Dogz, is that your car in the avatar? Nothing wrong with Novas, but did you know that in Spanish it means no go? What'll she do in the quarter and half? Thanks a bunch for that link. Those bulbs are a good price too, don't know about shipping and customer service. I guess stinky was right, what else is new.

SnS, ideal would be 2500, but to be more specific 2460, and second choice is 2700, but preferably 2750. I know that's asking a little much, but 2700 should do real nice. According to the chart, roughly twice the chlorophyll activity of 3000K.

[lunarose]

Opie and Dogz My virst car was a '73 Nova....I called her Slova she died prematurely in '77 when she caught fire.

[Dogznova]

Opie she is 500 cubic inch F1R procharged beast. 1000 hp on pump gas 1380 hp on race gas. She goes 8.80 in the 1/4 mile @152 mph. I call her show and go LOL.

[Opie Yutts]

SnS, hope you don't mind the brief interruption, but Dogz that's awesome. I love muscle cars. I can only imagine what 1300 hp would feel like.

[Weedhound]

more threadjack!! :D My very first car was a Ford Torino. She kicked ASS!

[Opie Yutts]

WH that's a cool car too. I nearly bought one years back.

[stinkyattic]

Oh man, you guys are a few years ahead of me and I missed the muscle car era :(
My ex (not the creepy thieving slimy one) has a 69 Charger 440 all sandblasted and re-welded and completely rebuilt from the ground up, that is a stunner, he did all the work himself, great body guy, and one of my fishing buddies actually has a tat of a Nova, but the previous body style from Dogz' nasty beast. Wow Dogz, that is a sick chunk of metal. Maaan I'm jealous! Mm mm good.
Classic American Muscle= pretty worthwhile as threadjacks are concerned ;)

[SnSstealth]

A jack I mind not.....Working on getting my Fox body stang soon...then I can join on the jack...lol. Guess my monster bronco that I jsut took swimmin was not to par...lol
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

You guy's don't want me to get started on the bucket I roll.. My G ride... And by G I mean GRANNY ride...lol... Not knockin yall grannies out there but my grandma gave me the car. And it's absolutely not a piece of historical American muscle. it is American though

Later D:S5:

[Dogznova]

Hay Stelth and Opie when your avatars get together make sure they stop by the state that looks like a mitten and grab my avatar. I will make sure I got her filled up with gas and you kids will rule the town I guarantee it LOL.

[d4twamp]

LOOK WHO'S DRIVING

[d4twamp]

Who's kids are these HILARIOUS
D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

HAHAHAHAHAHAA
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Nice n medicated....so I figured Id share some bud pron...

First 3 pics are my clones, they were QUITE small, and have only been in pots 2 weeks. Going nuts they are, although some are growing in quite the funky patterns. Looks like the main stem position has changed, some are growing shoots on one side only, and others bending like they aren't getting enough light, but they are under 2 procyons! Has never been an issue before. 2x4 area with 2 procyons...hmmm
Last 2 pics are the HKxBI #2...we are callin her stinky:jointsmile: I fucking love this plant...Dealt best with all the issues these plants had, obviously best yielding of the HK bunch...and look at that gooeyness...mmm this one and a few of the other HKs have around 24 days ish left I would say...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

lol mo pron....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SunnyD]

Hey I messed around with one of you pictures and this is what I came up with, I really like it

[hatch]

Hey What's Up????,,,,,,,,Ya'll Growing With Led's In Here?????,,,,,,,,,Well???,,,,,,It Look's Damn Good In The Neighborhood!!!!!!~~~~~And You Know That's Right~~~~~~~,,,,,,When You Going To Cali????,,,,,,How Is The Weather In The SunShine State????,,,,,,,Your Little Ladies Are Looking Good,,,,,,So Do Your Clone's!!!!,,,,,Best Of Luck My Brother!!!!!:rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta:

[SnSstealth]

Thanks hatch!
Nice pic sunny:thumbsup:
WT

[Weedhound]

Looking good Stealth! Short, bushy and getting more pistils every day!!

[SnSstealth]

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/161714-episode-4-clone-colonies.html
stop by the new thread guys!!!
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

lookin good stealth

D

[SnSstealth]

Wh, D....thanks guys!

Last night started the cold nights. Got 2-3 weeks left, so I have been turning down the AC in the grow room to 68-70 at nights. Bet Im gonna get some great color outta the SB...Already see a few purple calyxes now...
Added the 4th procyon to the flower room, and replaced all the rope with chain...Much cleaner looking, and even lights, lol. Had to slant all the lights because of the different sizes of the plants...I know, killing the efficient canopy idea, but that will come next rotation since we have clones now...
The rest of the updating other than the 9 plants about to finish will be here....http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/161714-episode-4-clone-colonies.html but I will continue this thread till the 9 plants almost done are harvested, that will be the end of Episode 3.....duh-duh-duuuuuuuuuh
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Mo bud pron....gettin close on quite a few of these...Cant wait, Church bounced back strong though! SB seems a lil later than the HKs...maybe 3-4 weeks on those...
Uh.....HKxBI #2 be the very large lady there on the left...Yes yes, many a clones were taken...
Which brings me to my next point, I hope everyone bears in mind that I did some extensive cutting on these plants for mums when considering yield.
Hopefully a smoke report last week of this month:hippy:
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

looken real real nice.:thumbsup:

damm I would grow these strains.:D

[d4twamp]

SNS, I see homer depot is more like "HOME O' D POT...lol
btw, nothin wrong w/ the big girls.

D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

thanks guys!
WT

[d4twamp]

where did you kidnap that smokin avatar from.. Am I gonna have to switch mine to a smokin infant too

D

[hawk6464]

SNS Could you tell us what the spacing of the individual LEDs are in your light?
Thank you

[SnSstealth]

Hawk...not sure the dimensions, but here is a pick. Went over spacing in the first grow log...check there.
Here is some more bud pron. The close up is the Church. The rest are the HKxBI standing strong. Maybe 2 weeks left on them.
Not much else to talk about....
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Any problems w/ IKE in your neck o' the hood Stealth, I live way over here in Cali and IKE ruined my night(postponed the URIJAH FABER fight)gotta wait till November now... Sorry for the hijack I was just wondering how close you are to the storm. stay safe out there,only thing you gotta worry bout out here is the earth moving...lol...

D:S5:

[hawk6464]

Thank you

[hawk6464]

BTW the link you put in last post don't work.
Thanks Again

[SnSstealth]

d4, no Ike problems here. we floridians (read: native) tend to not go as crazy as the rest untill its on the doorstep. I saw the image of the three hurricanes last week and had little worry that wed be spared:jointsmile:

hawk, id say 15mm but im not positive. the link in our sig works for me....its also a stickied thread at the top of the grow log forum if you cant get there from here. http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/147698-led-growing-instructional-grow-log.html

if youre building an array, the guys in The perfect LED grow light (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/150174-perfect-led-grow-light.html) could possibly help you. they know tons of info about all the angles, there is a bit of discussion going on in there but just ask a ? and im sure they'll know(lol...realized you just asked for a distance measurement, gee real technical db...lol...laughing at myself:jointsmile:)

db:smokin:

[d4twamp]

What's w/ all these info links poppin up on there own

[SnSstealth]

They should be gone soon...Something new they were trying...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

my thread was getting lonely for 2 days...lol
Those plants look great Sns!!!!

heh...thanks SnS!
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

WE didn't forget about you SnS, but your echo was heard.

D

[budnuggets3]

dear sns, i have gone over all the posts on led's especially the procyon 100. I am very confused!!!!!????? LOL, I have never grown before and will be making my first attempt soon. it was tough, but i got some awsome fem seeds! i live in big city, and wattage and heat are a problem, after much research i just said f-it! and bought 2 procyons. damn they are bright! any special tips so i don't botch this up! i know i am new on here, but was hoping you could awnser a few questions for me? obviously i don't expect much of you time-looks like you are BUSY! lol,,,i would love to have plants like those! i will list some questions, if you wouldn't mind just a simple awnser back, i would apperciate your imput since you are one of the few i could find with this info. example:
do you recommened 18 or 24 veg with the procyon? (just write 18 or 24)?
1st question:
do you recommeened 18 or 24 veg with the P? lol
2nd
what about supplementing hps light for flowering good or bad? y/n
(my idea was to have a 250 watt hps in the middle and the 2 procyons on the sides angled inward)
3rd
keep the lights close to plants? or the recommended 24 inches?
4th
did you use less water because of less heat? or did they suck it up pretty good?
5th
can I grow some choice nugs with led's particually the procyon 100?
thanks dude!!!!!!!!!!! keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!

[SnSstealth]

1st question:
do you recommeened 18 or 24 veg with the P? lol
Tried both, I go with 24
2nd
what about supplementing hps light for flowering good or bad? y/n
(my idea was to have a 250 watt hps in the middle and the 2 procyons on the sides angled inward)
You can, but we didn't supplement at all, and got great results
3rd
keep the lights close to plants? or the recommended 24 inches?
Stsy between 12 to 16 inches
4th
did you use less water because of less heat? or did they suck it up pretty good?
Definitely water less often, usually 2 times a week, depending on pot size
5th
can I grow some choice nugs with led's particually the procyon 100?
thanks dude!!!!!!!!!!! keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!You tell me, look at the pics :jointsmile:
Welcome to cancomm man. Asking and answering questions are what we are here for. Start a log on your grow, and we will subscribe and stop in to make sure its going good for ya. What strain?
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

dear sns, i have gone over all the posts on led's especially the procyon 100. I am very confused!!!!!????? LOL, I have never grown before and will be making my first attempt soon. it was tough, but i got some awsome fem seeds! i live in big city, and wattage and heat are a problem, after much research i just said f-it! and bought 2 procyons. damn they are bright! any special tips so i don't botch this up! i know i am new on here, but was hoping you could awnser a few questions for me? obviously i don't expect much of you time-looks like you are BUSY! lol,,,i would love to have plants like those! i will list some questions, if you wouldn't mind just a simple awnser back, i would apperciate your imput since you are one of the few i could find with this info. example:
do you recommened 18 or 24 veg with the procyon? (just write 18 or 24)?
1st question:
do you recommeened 18 or 24 veg with the P? lol
2nd
what about supplementing hps light for flowering good or bad? y/n
(my idea was to have a 250 watt hps in the middle and the 2 procyons on the sides angled inward)
3rd
keep the lights close to plants? or the recommended 24 inches?
4th
did you use less water because of less heat? or did they suck it up pretty good?
5th
can I grow some choice nugs with led's particually the procyon 100?
thanks dude!!!!!!!!!!! keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!

hey bud,

thanks for joining in the group:thumbsup: lookie there " after much research i just said f-it! and bought 2 procyons." you sound like I did last year...lol. no problem with the ?s, were here to help(mostly...).

we tried both and id say 18 or maybe 20

im sure supplementing will help, more light is more light, just remember w/ the 2 procyons and the 250 your at 500+ watts plus the ballast and the heat from both. not saying dont do it but keep in mind as those were two of your concerns

depending on your strains tendency to stretch, and how wide of an area your covering, id say 14" to 18" in veg and in full flower can be lowered quite a bit, say 8-12". just watch em in veg and check that the leaves arent "bubbling", if so raise the light a few inches.

Less watering for sure. avg 5 days between as the plants dont transpire as much so the keep there water longer. *IMPORTANT* make sure to get the perilite ratio of your soil around 35%. you need very good drainage in your pots. oh and drill holes, lots of big ones.

and as far as your last ? youve seen the posts but here they are, dank as hell. first grow was all procyon and got some resin covered delights. we'll be doing that again in a bit when we get the mommy situation figured out.

thanks again, start up a grow log and let us know the addy. be more than happy to help you out

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

double post...where you at whiskey the girls are wakin up...lol

i think we were close on most of em;) cept lighting times, guess youll have to figure that on your own bud:D

db:smokin:

[hatch]

Hey db, WHT'S UP!!! Congrat's On Your Harvest!!!! Look's To Be Some Dank-Ass Shit!!!!! Happy Smoke'n~~~~:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

those pics are from last grow to show the new guy hatch....lol
WT

[budnuggets3]

:thumbsup:thanks! it will be a bit, still need a few things. great advice for the first grow attempt! was planning on using 75% good soil mix, then the other 25%-perlite,worm castings, and mushroom compost. i think i will step it up on the perlite. feminized snow white will be the first try, the biggest, fattest seeds i have ever seen! hope i dont mess this up! lol,,,, on a different note, a wise computer nerd (lol friend of mine) advised me not to post pics or a log. i'll quote him "it is highly illegal, but if your on a site and the right eyes are watching, you can be traced, same thing as being on a phone",,,, am i trippin' or what??? then again i would never do any of this anyway, its all just lies, just a dream of mine! LOL!

[SnSstealth]

Few pics of the slaughtered HKxBI#2 taken down this morning, just the top...show the rest when done drying with final weight....Smoke report next sat:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

SnS wut's the BI stand for in HK x BI...sorry but I learned there is never a stupid ?
thanx D:S5:

[SunnyD]

Nice top!

[MediJuana]

Nice fat sticky turn out! looks like your perpetual grow is working out quite nicely! Keep the buds commin!


dodo

[SnSstealth]

Its Hindu Kush x Black Indica (Plan B)...
Buds will kep comin!...Got 3-4 more coming down this week....Church is looking AMAZING, si there may be more of her clones in the groups next cycle...thanks for stopping in guys!
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Lookin very lovely in the flower room. The clones are all crowned over, and the other 8 are getting ready to come out...My 420Scope should be here tomorrow, and Ill have pics up then...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Just about that time on these ladies...First 2 pics is the "pleasantly plump" HKxBI pheno...look at those tasty calyxes...mmmm
Second 2 are the frostier HKxBI pheno...Last is a Church top pic...
BONNNNNG
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Lil more bud pron....Go ahead....taste it...you know you wanna:rasta:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

mo........

[Weezard]

mo........

Schwing!:D

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

OMG:D

It has been awhile since I checked in an now I am very very Impressed:thumbsup:

How much do you think you will get out of this grow?

[SnSstealth]

traffic has slown down quite a bit around this neck of the grow logs....lol. Thanks for stoppin in JG! Im thinkin about 7oz with these 8 plants...that church is a monster! But do remember all 8 of these plants got the shit chopped outta them for clones:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

hot dog. they R looken great as hell. so R u still using the led lights?

[SnSstealth]

Yeah...4 of the procyons and we had a few floros in there for a few weeks,(didnt expect much, ) but we're replacing the floros with 3 70W HPS in for the next round:greenthumb: so the yields should increase a lot, but keep the resin production we are seeing with the procyons. We had one of them shit the bed this morning, but HGL are very good guys, and we will have a replacement by early next week. Already got ours back in the mail to em...lol
whiskeytango
Glad everyone digs the pics....they are juicy huh:rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

nice pics, man.

[SnSstealth]

Thanks shov!!!
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Hey SnS those 70 watt hps's you speak of wouldn't be from HD would they...if so let us know how it goes, I was wondering if they would work myself during a trip not long ago.

D

[DrSpoof]

buds lookin beautiful whiskey tango!

sorry ive been MIA for awhile, rough 2 weeks at work lol

Spiggs

[SnSstealth]

thanks spiggs!!! wait till I update tues,.. they have added crazy resin in the last few days...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

porn is right.....those look TASTY!! Church looks like she's doing good for you too. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Oh the Church is gonna be a much bigger part of the flower room than originally thought...may have 60% Church flowering at a time...heh
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Hey SnS those 70 watt hps's you speak of wouldn't be from HD would they...if so let us know how it goes, I was wondering if they would work myself during a trip not long ago.

D

:thumbsup:Those exactly. theyve got two models at 70W, one rated higher than the other(cant remember how right now:bonghit:). got my fingers crossed on this one. were gonna take out the floros and put em in there.

yeah they got the ballast and the lights in two different sections, im sure thats to confuse the potheads....though everything in there seems geared toward us:D

db:smokin:

[lunarose]

You ladies are just gorgeous! There has definitely been a significant learning curve with each of your grows. My guess is that in a couple of more grows a 10' vaulted ceiling won't be high enough(G)

I know thoe led panels are pure crap but do you know if anyone has looked into the effectiveness of those LED red and blue flood like bulbs?

[hydrocannabis]

looks like some really good dank.

[SnSstealth]

TY Hydro!!
whiskeytango

[MediJuana]

Wow thats some serious herb, the stems are covered in trichomes too!? Are you strains stinky or more of a faint smell?

Thanks
MEDI

[d4twamp]

things r lookin real NICE or' there whiskey and dough
D

[Puffzter]

That is some frosty buds m8. Really damn nice.

Puffzter

[stinkyattic]

Nuked the whole post at request; even mods can't just remove one pic, sorry :(

[jakezking]

Dang, fellas! I spent about the past hour catching up on this log and mainly ogling the pictures. I am just floored by the trichomes on your buds; I don't think I've seen a bud with a higher trichome density. It seems like I read y'all really believe the Procyons/LEDs are the driver for the higher trichome production? If so, I may really have to look into incorporating a Procyon in a future grow cabinet.

WT and DB, you fellas take the cake - probably because y'all have all the flippin' bud frosting for it. Dang fine work, as always. Now I'm headed over to the Clone Wars to see what the heck is happening with all the babies from these ladies! Y'all be good out there!

[SnSstealth]

Nuked the whole post at request; even mods can't just remove one pic, sorry :(
tis good...thanks though, Ill just retake the pics....Scared the shit outta me when I noticed I could read through that paper...lol

Dang, fellas! I spent about the past hour catching up on this log and mainly ogling the pictures. I am just floored by the trichomes on your buds; I don't think I've seen a bud with a higher trichome density. It seems like I read y'all really believe the Procyons/LEDs are the driver for the higher trichome production? If so, I may really have to look into incorporating a Procyon in a future grow cabinet.
WT and DB, you fellas take the cake - probably because y'all have all the flippin' bud frosting for it. Dang fine work, as always. Now I'm headed over to the Clone Wars to see what the heck is happening with all the babies from these ladies! Y'all be good out there!
Thanks jake!! Thats the lovely HKxBI pheno I was blessed with. I see a breeding in her future:greenthumb: I was EXTREMELY impressed with the HKxBI plants. The breeder DEFINITELY knew what they were doing. I didnt get one bad plant outta the bunch. They grew absolutely amazing, and even held their heads high whilst the gnats attacked and a few got rootbound. A must for ANY breeders mum room.
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Here's the pics again from the HKxBI#5 harvest. The runner up in frostiest nug competition. The first place prize goes to HKxBI#4....She is coming out at the end of the week...She is the supermum...breeder. Show ya her in a few days:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

I'd take a bowl o' that over the fruit loops I'm eating any day, that looks like a true breakfast of champions

D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

I know man... I am practically watching it dry. Just staring at it...lol
whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Verrrry Pretty:thumbsup:

Looks like that is going to be some awesome smoke:rastasmoke:

I am also so close to harvest I am dreaming of just seeing them in the closet:D

Excellent work :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

JG

[MediJuana]

BLAZE! those are real nice nugs, looks like you really scored on the genetics!

[SnSstealth]

Mo Pron.........
Almost 10 weeks flowering.girls wont fuckin finish!!!!! lol Im learning the patience of a monk with these LEDs.:jointsmile:
looks like barely 5% amber.so Ill let em go a lil more.
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

........

[medigrower]

are you using any product to help you finish faster?

[SnSstealth]

Full line Fox Farm nutes. We have definitely come to the conclusion that its the LEDs. Check out the perfect LED light thread to see the explanations. Beware though, its about the lest 4 pages long, lots of debate, but you'll get the gist, lol.
whiskeytango

[Pinkfloydfan1973]

That shit is wild.... Beautiful.

[SnSstealth]

Thanks pink...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

looking quite delicious there Stealth! VERY nice layer of "frost" on everything.

[SnSstealth]

Thanks weedy!!
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Hey Whiskey I didn't know it snowed in FL..lol..
D

[SnSstealth]

It does in my grow room!!!....lol
whiskeytango

[Rock.Steady]

nice job once again!:thumbsup:
revenge indeed:jointsmile:

[lunarose]

Those are some beautiful buds but I have no idea how you are going to get all the sticky gooey goodness to dry(G)

[lucky2455]

Hey guy, I'm a first time grower and am wondering about using LEDs to help my blooming. I have changed my floros (4 cfls and 2 48") over to 12/12 two weeks ago and all I'm getting is stretch. I ordered 1 of the red led panels from ebay (it has 225 leds) and am wondering if that will help.

I am also thinking of going to strickly LED's in a grow tent once I get my MMJ card. I'm currently growing in a closet and have to vent with door open at night (when lights are on). LEDs would remove the heat issue.

[SnSstealth]

nice job once again!:thumbsup:
revenge indeed:jointsmile:

db dips finger in revenge and has a taste....wow, that tastes rather sweet...lol

thanks luna we get it dry pretty quick and its f'n awesome...I must warn you that the thric pics so far pale in comparison to what #4's will look like when she finally shows her amber.

lucky, if its the 45w panel it will prob. help. id change most of your cfls to 2700k and hang some of them below the canopy, as you have so many. this will help with the stretching. check the "Cannabis FAQ" button at the top of the page and you will find tons to help, start with "super cropping":thumbsup:

If you plan to use all led for a grow tent, youll need to step up from the 5mm if you want to be happy with a personal medical grow IMO. They can be DIYed if you know electronics rather well or buy one of the many arrays out on the market featuring high-power LEDs(1W or more each LED). Either way its pricey so plan well if your in that situation.

all I got right now, this shit is ridiculous...lol...im f'd up:D:stoned:

db:smokin:

[hatch]

HY WHT'S UP!!!,,Say My Brother!!,,They Are Looking Great!!!~~:wtf::wtf::wtf:~~Patient,,I Have Some At 12-Week's That Aren't Ready As Well!!~~~Sometime I Think This Is The Hardest Part??

Well, Best Of Luck & Congrat's On The Upcoming Harvest!!~~It's Too Be Some Danky-Ass Sweet Bud!!~~Later~`Hatch~~:D:rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

10 weeks tomorrow, and some still not done...GRRRRRRRRRRR Patience is a virtue, lol. Got my 420scope, and there are some amber, but not even 10%...Hopefuly this week.....
whiskeytango

[chapstick67]

i'm really loving your results. especially the lovely buildup of thc...very very sexy...

much props.

patience is a virtue after all.

;-)

[hahaitsdoogle]

I searched google for procyons but found nothing, point me in the right direction?

[illnillinois]

Did You make it to Cali?

I'm going in 2 weeks..

[SnSstealth]

indooragriculture.com is where we ordered them.
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

iilnillinois, where ya been haven't heard from you in a while. When is GL420's ban up I wanna see what happened in his rubber beds.

WT & DB, do you fellas have a LOWES in your area.. I was at Lowes and saw something that made me think of you 2 and yer green girls. They had 70 watt HPS's for either 25 or 29 clams can't remember I was kinda high as usual.. I almost bought a couple myself to though on the veg side of the house. just thought I'd pass the word.

D:bong:

[SnSstealth]

I get to lowes today...:thumbsup:

Here's some harvest pics. almost every plant is weighing in at about 20-25g. The live pics are ms frosty, she came down yesterday, have some pics of her up tomorrow...
whiskeytango

can you say.....juuuuuuuuicy:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Church...looks like she is about ready huh? Here's a few pics of her...She is coming out next day or 2.
DEFINITELY getting supplemental light. Either HPS, or according to the discussion over in the perfect light thread, we may just throw a couple incandescants in there to trigger whatever that shit is called at night, I am WAYYY medicated, cant remember what its called right now. Anyways, they are lacking the I/R and F/R they need. I mean shit, we are almost on week 11 now, and all these strains are 7-9 week strains. And the yield is...yeah But sooooo drippy.
LOTS o shit going on over on episode 4, this threads almost dead. Go check it out people!!!....lol
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Bonsai and Church bush pics in episode 4.........
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

what tha hell. yea. looken great.

that bud looks as great as the buds in the canna bible collection by jason king.:D:D:D

or like the ones in high times.
and this grow is very inspiration. I think. it shows what a home grower can do when they givethere plants a little TLC.:D

:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Here is Jawdrop ladies and gents. One of the crowns of the room. She has a bonsai mum going of her now, and I WILL be breeding her without a doubt. HOPEFULLY with the NCDG...mmmmmm
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

First 3 pics are the gorgeous Church. Last 2 are her with HK#3. Last pic is the HK3 top...EASILY 70g hangin there....heh Overall is looking to be about 7oz. getting better. The SOG clones are going NUTS, and take a look in Episode 4 for future plans. Might have the first QP plant grown under LEDs....cross your fingers. Well, the last SB is waiting to come down, and after the smoke report, this thread is caput.....go...to....episode...4...PLEASE!!!!!...l ol Need some of you guys opinions on my plans. Love to hear what yall think of my first bonsai attempt too....
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Church for size reference nest to a XL system of a down shirt
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

pics of the new flowering set up will just get stuck in episode4...

[SnSstealth]

Starting to see procyons on ebay...Anyone get one off there lately?
whiskeytango

[chapstick67]

They are all used...i guess some people are conflicted with their results...but after seeing yours i don't know why anyone wouldn't want to hold onto theirs.

Gratz on the grow. looking forward to seeing how the implementation of a small HPS is going to impact your next grow.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

WOW that Church makes me want to BELIEVE again:D

Now you have gotten me to the point of considering using LED Lighting. You have passed the test in my opinion:thumbsup:

I am going to have to read this entire log now.:) then start doing my cost comparisons to find out the length of my return on investment if I were to convert.

Excellent work and thanks for sticking with it in order to find the best way to grow under these lights. If it were me I would have given up the first try and passed them off as crap, licked my wounds, and gone back to the HID lighting.

Again thanks for sharing your experiences and enjoy your Church.:rastasmoke:

JG

[SnSstealth]

Thanks JG!!! Good to see ya on here:thumbsup:

Just ordered my bubblebags last night, should be here tomorrow. There is a guy on nebay making the bubblebags, same micron and everything. I got the 5gal 5bag system for only $90. Cant beat that shit, the real bubblebags are hundredS.

So anyway, got about 7oz total this grow, not all that great considering 9 plants at 2ft each. AMAZING resin though, and a freak pheno was found.
All in all, Episode 3 was a much more successful LED grow than I have seen.

BIIIIIIIG changes are a foot.

Stay tuned for "Episode 5: The____Strike Back!!!!!!!!!"

:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Episode 3: Revenge of the LED.......FIN


Revenge indeed. Episode 4 is nearing its end as well.....stay tuned there for updates........(pulls out trumpet...begins taps)
whiskeytango

:joint1:
:smokebong:

[d4twamp]

Taps- you crack me up... I'll be watching for the 5th installment my friends

D

[WhiskeyTango]

planning more LED experiments soon....stay tuned...
good vibes

[quarteroy]

Cant wait loved the first logs hope to see more. ill be updating my Led log tomorrow.

[Shovelhandle]

Very good, LED will be the light to have soon, I hope.

[frostedwonder]

You certainly have your stuff dialed in. Those plants look yum and very well grown from what I have seen on this and many other sites. Good work..

[WhiskeyTango]

Thanks frosted! I am lucky enough to have a few cuts of SFV OG Kush coming my way, so I feel they are something worthy of a new LED experiment.
I am gonna start with the Procyons, have been able to accrue a lil funding for a self designed board...just may not be getting it for a few months. So this will be the first run of a pure indica under the procyons till the board gets here.
If any of you from the first few runs were watching, one thing we learned for sure, is that sativa dom plants are no good for LEDs...YET. So running Jack Herer was not the best idea, and I am sure the yield will be MUCH better with the kush that is Almost pure indica.
Stay tuned!
good vibes

[MerryPrankstr]

WT, SnSstealth,

Looking forward to seeing your grow unfold. Your previous experiments gave me the courage to try high power LED arrays for myself.:thumbsup:


MP:hippy:

[WhiskeyTango]

THanks merry! glad I could help!
good vibes

[dizzyground]

I don't know if im too stoned or what, but I didn't quite get how many of those procyons did you use to get these results?

Anyway, it looks great!

[MerryPrankstr]

Hi Dizzyground.:)
This rig consisted of a TI Probloom (300W) on the tops and 2 Procyons in opposing corners so that the LED output was pointed at eac other's corner midway between the top of the pots and the top of the canopy.

The idea was that the Procyons would provide sidelighting to lessen the loss of "penetration" vs a HID lamp.

That would be 300 watts for the TI and 200 for the Procyons to make a total of 500 watts LED.

:smokin:

Now that I know that my rig has the juice to deliver I've acquired some good Feminine beans (Barney's Farm Laughing Buddha) and will soon run them.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/173555-bf-laughing-buddha-grow.html
Hope this helps what I was doing with the lights...
:twocents::twocents:
M.P.

[dizzyground]

Hey yourself:)

Okay thank you for the info. I was kinda hoping you didn't use that much LEDs because I am thinking of growing with LEDs instead of HPS lamp. Not a stealth grow or anything, just a thought. But it needs too much money to get that many LEDs.

[RichardPryor]

I've been lurking awhile and was set to do the LED thing but don't see the output to justify it here. Am I missing something? Was the 7 OZ for 9- 2 foot plants for one, two or three light panels?
If anyone can point me in the right direction or sumarize the results, I'm lost in these threads.
Thanks

[CovertCarpenter]

Thanks brah,

For dis gnew gnat info
A snot sponge buyin I will go.
Just saw a couple adults today,
means dere kidz, in dirt still play!
So, my first solution, will not do,
Den I read dis note, from you.

Had some that we're living on rockwool!
Good info, and good timing.

Mahalo.
Weezard
Not sure if we have the 'snot-sponge' thing up here, but I bought a solution of a targeted bacterium called Vectabac, which is supposed to be the only thing that will kill off their eggs in the soil. Have been using it for a week, with some good results, tho covering the soil is another good way to interrupt their life cycle... and helps with reducing evaporation!

Also, you can make sticky traps outta good ole Duct Tape, and put'em on the rims/edges of your pots... they won't look like they're working at first (the /odd/ bug will seem to be able to cross 'em), but peel 'em up 2wks later, and look at alla bugz caught underneath ;)

I have also heard of people using diatomaceous earth on the top of their soil (kind of like a clay that is razor-sharp at a microscopic level, which cuts them up as they crawl across it), but I am having a hard time finding some up here in TO.

Besta luck killin' the bugZ.
(c)C :chainsaw:

PS: didn't realize that there were 19+pages in the thread; this post is related to one on 'bout page 3 ;)

[Weezard]

No worry brah, your advice is still spot on.:thumbsup:

Lemme go see If I can dig ya up some rep fo' dat.

Aloha and Mahalo.

Wee 'zard