For the people that believe in God

[murktinez]

Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/)

read your bible, again.

[THClord]

I've given up long ago. I tried to convert one of my friends in IRL, but it's hopeless. There's no way you can do it on a forum.

It seems as if though religion teaches people to believe what they are told first and if common sense contradicts what they were told then they, themselves must be wrong. So since dogma is defined deeper than thought for religious people, it is impossible for us to make them throw out their beliefs by making them think.

Just think about it, kids are taken to church when they're only a couple years old, before they can reason for themselves. So they are taught religion before they are taught reasoning.

[katyowns]

I've given up long ago. I tried to convert one of my friends in IRL, but it's hopeless. There's no way you can do it on a forum.....


How is trying to convert someone to atheism any better than someone trying to convert another to their belief system?

[zeitgeist]

You should have just put this in the other thread.

And there is plenty of common sense within faith. Im not an avid church goer much anymore becasue of the hypocrisy and I definately know how to think for myself as do others
Dont try to clump us all up in one

[Mr. Clandestine]

LMAO! I could pick apart any piece of literature ever written by Richard Dawkins, highlight every misinterpretation I could find, then publish an identical website spewing contradictions, fallacies, and biased lies. Just because you can take something out of context doesn't necessarily mean it's infallible, as would clearly be present by my suggestion to slander famous atheists.

Speaking of famous atheists, here's a nifty little story about one who found God through science:

The best-known atheist of the last 50 years, Professor Antony Flew, made the announcement in a symposium on science and religion, that the discoveries of modern science have led him to accept the existence of God. Flew was joined in the symposium by leading Israeli scientist Gerald Schroeder and noted Scottish thinker John Haldane.

DALLAS, TX (PRWEB) December 15, 2004 -- The Institute for Metascientific Research (IMR) announced today that one of the best-known atheists in the academic world, Professor Antony Flew of the University of Reading, United Kingdom, has accepted the existence of God. In a symposium sponsored by the IMR at New York University earlier this year, Professor Flew stated that developments in modern science had led him to accept the action of an Intelligent Mind in the creation of the world. In Has Science Discovered God?â?�, the recording of the symposium released today, Flew said his conclusion was influenced by developments in DNA research.

Worlds Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God, Cites Modern Science (http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/12/emw186929.htm)


Thanks for that refreshing dose of reality, murk... :thumbsup:

[NaughtyDreadz]

people have a need to cling to something at the end of their lives...

[murktinez]

I AM NOT AN ATHEIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a realist. I'm not saying there isn't a creator, at all. I just realize that the Bible, as we know it, is mostly bullshit. "Divinely inspired" men are only "divinely inspired" because THEY say they are. I know talking about this with the closed-minded is a lost cause. Fear and pride prevent this from ever becoming anything other than an argument. BUT.

God told me, to let you know that I am right. Walk with me and you will never be lost. Follow the laws of my God, and you will be rewarded with eternal bliss. Do you trust me? OF COURSE NOT!!! why? because I am a Human that you don't know. Why trust men that lived thousands of years ago?!?!? You don't even practice the same religion!

The only parts of the Bible that I believe are not bullshit are some historical accounts, and geography. I believe Jesus was real. I do not believe Jesus was the son of God because he said so. Same with Mohammad.

I dare you to learn where and how your religion came to be. I had a mentor that was a JW. While I did not believe everything, he did teach me alot about where Christianity came from. I took it further and researched on my own. This is where I stand now.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I know talking about this with the closed-minded is a lost cause. Fear and pride prevent this from ever becoming anything other than an argument.

You're absolutely right, so we should both end this argument right here... not just me.


I dare you to learn where and how your religion came to be. I had a mentor that was a JW. While I did not believe everything, he did teach me alot about where Christianity came from. I took it further and researched on my own. This is where I stand now.

You dare me? You honestly think I haven't dedicated much time and thought to my religion, and theology in general? I took nearly 50 hours worth of theology courses in college, and was an agnostic for most of my life. I've spent plenty of time thinking about it, studying it, and trying to understand it.

So, how did a Jehovah's Witness teach you so much about Christianity? They teach a perversion of my religion, and not the religion itself. The New World Translation directly mistranslates original scripture to correlate with their twisted Christian ideals. Frederick Franz, George Gangas, Milton Henschel, Karl Klein, Nathan Knorr, and Albert Schroeder - the original translation committee for the 'Watchtower Society' - barely even spoke biblical Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic... and were definitely far from fluent in them. So, how then were they the ones chosen to revise the New Testament? Biblical scholars and translators have always been well-versed in these three languages, which were pretty much a prerequisite to be added to any translation committee. Yet, the people chosen for the JW committee knew practically nothing of these biblical languages. And if you compare a NWT bible and a KJV side-by-side, the glaring contradictions are perfectly clear.

So, you may have done your own research on the subjects, but so have I. And this is where I stand on Jehovah's Witnesses and their doctrines. I'm not going to attempt to shove my religion down your throat, because as a former agnostic, I know how irritating that can be. But, it would be extremely respectful of you NOT to shove your 'realism' down anyone else's throat, either. Unless they specifically ask for it. I've seen several attacks on Christianity coming from you in your short tenure here. If you'd like for me to point them out, I can. I'd prefer not to, and civilly reach an agreement with you: We can agree to disagree, it happens all the time around here, but we shouldn't attack each other... because then you'd be correct, our closed-mindedness would get in the way of us ever reaching any kind of understanding.

[Greenthing]

people have a need to cling to something at the end of their lives...
Oh yes like what music would you like to hear before you die ;)

[NaughtyDreadz]

Oh yes like what music would you like to hear before you die ;)

ya get me, blad? :jointsmile:

[THClord]

How is trying to convert someone to atheism any better than someone trying to convert another to their belief system?

It's not.

But he started it. :D

[COskiRide]

Cannabis! God! YAY!
me tomorrow morning....:rasta:, and I will pray.

[StickyfingahZ]

"The Greatest trick the devil ever pulled,was convincing the wolrd he didn't exist"
What movie is dat from?

[Hardcore Newbie]

"The Greatest trick the devil ever pulled,was convincing the wolrd he didn't exist"
What movie is dat from?The Usual Suspects

[pit6ull420]

god made weed grow here so me and him are kool
:rastasmoke::thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the roman catholic church destroyed al religious information not in compliance with THEIR "old testiment" version of things.

Christianity is extinct and has been for a LOOOOOONG time.

Judiasm is different than what Jesus Christ followed, and is, therefore, also extinct.

Bhuddism is extinct by proxy, as Bhudda is dead and is the only person who can claim bhuddism. He did not start bhuddism, his followers did. and they cannot truly interpret or explain what went on in bhudda's mind.

Taoism is neat, but i dont know enough about it to say anything, and i dont know jack about shinto.

Mormons are really awkward, i wont touch that.

Rastafarians are cool, but i know nothing of their belief system.

Jedi are hyped up geeks.

Jehova's witnesses are solicitors, not preachers or spiritual minded folk.

Baptists are an offshoot of roman catholic, as are most christian sects, mormons being the only ones i can think of that arent jsut a byproduct of catholicism, but also a set of hallucenations, giving it, actually, the most credibility of all christians.

protestants are protestants and again i know very little. work ethic is cool though i dont believe it is religiously important.

Shamanism and paganism are, in my opinion, the only true spiritual "religion"s.

naturally, i wouldnt know. i havent researched rastafarianism or 7'th day adventists. but so far, as far as i know, pagans and shamans havent started any wars.

[NaughtyDreadz]

naturally, i wouldnt know. i havent researched rastafarianism or 7'th day adventists. but so far, as far as i know, pagans and shamans havent started any wars.

man, rasta's follow the old testament's ital, and think emperor Haile Selassie I from ethiopia was the second coming of jesus as for the teachings of prophet marcus garvey... if I'm not mixing up my facts..

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

.... huh... that kinda bummed me out, given the roman catholic's correlation with the old test.

what's ital?

[NaughtyDreadz]

.... huh...
what's ital?

Ital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ital)

but that's not fully... it... that also includes the whole not setting metal to your skin... that's the whole dread thing

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

speaking in pharisees will get you nowhere Dall Curry Surprise.

furthermore speaking pharisees of a bible that was made by men who would DESTROY any scripture contrary to the old testiment is just foolish.

[DaBudhaStank]

I just wanna know why Daal capitalizes every other word....I mean, we can get the gist of what you're saying with proper english, please. Also, I was waiting for when you'd get to the whole sexism part, about how women aren't equal and basically not even people. That's some great stuff ya got there.

[DaBudhaStank]

I just wanna know why Daal capitalizes every other word....I mean, we can get the gist of what you're saying with proper english, please. Also, I was waiting for when you'd get to the whole sexism part, about how women aren't equal and basically not even people. That's some great stuff ya got there. Oh by the way, you never answered my other question. I wanted to know that since I'm not Israeli in any way, nor do I have any blood ties to Israel, does that mean I have no choice but to go to Hell? Am I forsaken and doomed through no fault of my own, because I wasn't born in the right time period or on the right land mass?


p.s. God damn double post......oops, I took the lord's name in vain. My bad.









God damnit. Oops, slipped again.

[sammer]

The bible says to worship god, but don't look in his face. I find that strange..God does not exist in my opinion. But if he did, I'd be the first to look in his face. Why should I bow my head to the father of all creation? I'd look god in the eye and ask him why he could let the world be such a fucked up place.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Bhuddism is extinct by proxy, as Bhudda is dead and is the only person who can claim bhuddism. He did not start bhuddism, his followers did. and they cannot truly interpret or explain what went on in bhudda's mind.

I'll have to disagree with you here StonerShadowWolf. There have been Buddhas after the original, Sidhartha Guatama, and enlightened minds before him in Vedic and Bon centered cultures.
One famous Zen master who acieved enlightenment put it as such; "An enlightened individual is not a Buddhist, he is a Buddha. Buddhism is not the attainment of enlightenment, it is the raft that takes you away from the Island (the ego), across the river to enlightenment. Once the river has been crossed, the raft is abandoned."

Buddha's followers organized Buddhism, they helped spread it, but Buddha himself was the one who brought the teachings to us that we call "Buddhism". Any Buddhist with a fair amount of devotion and knowledge will tell you that they don't know enlightenment, cannot define it. This is taken for granted; is agreed upon as indefineable until you attain it yourself. And it's completely irrelevant as Buddhism does not purport to give you enlightenment, only teach you how to find it yourself.

If your fully-learned and knowledgeable biology teacher dies, the science of biology itself does not die with him. The students continue learning biology, despite their lack of a biologist.




Jedi are hyped up geeks.

Hundreds of thousands of people have actually joined Jediism, though I'd bet a lot of them aren't too serious about it. The ones who are serious about it, though, are merely excited about a "remarkable philosophy" that's really just an over-simplified and stripped down version of Buddhism, Taoism, and Shinto.


Jehova's witnesses are solicitors, not preachers or spiritual minded folk.

Careful with the critical thinking there SSW, questioning is the devils gate to hell. ;)


Baptists are an offshoot of roman catholic, as are most christian sects, mormons being the only ones i can think of that arent jsut a byproduct of catholicism, but also a set of hallucenations, giving it, actually, the most credibility of all christians.

I'd say their hallucinatory hysteria-induced trances, that allow them to talk with God and angels of course, is the worst thing you can do in regards to actual awakening. It cheapens the religious experience, puts up false shortcuts to enlightenment, and convinces people that working yourself into a psychlogical frenzy with the concept of God in mind, will produce a genuine experience. Instead you get something more akin to schizophrenia.


protestants are protestants and again i know very little. work ethic is cool though i dont believe it is religiously important.

I learned a lot about the development of Christianity in history class, and back in that day I would have been fighting to promote protestantism too! Martin Luther started the whole movement to protest(ant) the catholic church's bastardization of the teachings of Jesus. One of his biggest problems was that under Catholic law you could buy off your sins by giving so much money to the church for such-and-such a crime. Their intense worship of idols, though still carried out to a lesser degree in protestantism, was another issue. And probably most importantly of all, he was against the church having authority above government.


Shamanism and paganism are, in my opinion, the only true spiritual "religion"s.

I wouldn't even call them religions; as a religion would indicate some spiritual practice that is uniformly interpreted and practiced within it's member base. But I agree, Shamanism IMO has the most genuinly spiritual aspects to it's practices. I actually consider Buddhism to be a very shamanistic practice, albeit not represented today in a very accurate portrayal of the original teachings. It's practices go back 9,000 years in the Bon religion of Tibet, where other Buddha's had awakened and come to fruition via Shamanistic practice and the theory taught by Buddhism. The only difference is that Buddhism itself arose in an area most unfamiliar with traditional shamanism, and thus lost a helpful tool, but not an absoltuly essential one.
Buddha's own mental journey, while lucid and of his own mind, was remarkably similar to an ayahuasca experience regarding his final confrontation with Mara before leaving his ego behind. The practices of Buddhism share a very common attitude with shamanism in that one must learn to release themselves from fear of ego death, remove the barriers that separate ones self from the rest of existence, and awaken to the true nature of reality.


naturally, i wouldnt know. i havent researched rastafarianism or 7'th day adventists. but so far, as far as i know, pagans and shamans havent started any wars.

Physically, no. Some Amazonian shamans have claimed to have taken intense mental journeys into nature, where they've come accross Beladonna Witch Shamans. The Beladonna berry is generally thought to be used only by shamans with wicked intent, and is considered detrimental to the mind. These confrontations often ended up with the two having a sort of struggle of a higher plane, resulting in one killing the other. The amazonian shamans themselves, who actually practice for enlightenment and not power, never start or seek out these confrontations, however.

As for Pagans, it really depends how far you extend the term. Greeks and Romans were certainly considered pagans by and large, along with Vikings, Germanic peoples, and many Native American tribes that slaughtered and pillaged weaker tribes.

[veggii]

Questions:
How do you explain life on planet earth ?
Is earth heaven?
Is earth hell?
Is earth purgatory?
Is there a supreme being?
Is it true we are the Aliens?
:hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

[NaughtyDreadz]

Questions:
How do you explain life on planet earth ?
Is earth heaven?
Is earth hell?
Is earth purgatory?
Is there a supreme being?
Is it true we are the Aliens?
:hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

uh apparently they reproduced the primordial ooze and added electricity and the got proteins... which are the building blocks of life

[BathingApes]

Romans 3:3 - FOR WHAT IF SOME DID NOT BELIEVE? SHALL THEIR UNBELIEF MAKE THE FAITH OF GOD WITHOUT EFFECT? GOD FORBID, LET GOD BE TRUE BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR.

So it doesn't matter if you believe in the most high or not..that still won't stop the PROPHECIES from coming true.

This is how I know the Bible is the word of God, because all of the prophecies TO WHOM THEY PERTAIN TO have already been fufilled or are soon to be fufilled.

If this knowledge does not pertain to you, then it doesn't even matter if you don't believe it.

This knowledge pertains to the ISRAELITES in the first place, and those who know the truth..so if you're not an Israelite, and if you don't know WHO THE ISRAELITES ARE TODAY, then you'll never get it.

And the Roman Catholic Church is trying to suppress this information from you too. Them and all of those other churches, Pentacost, 7th Day Adventists, Baptists, all these so-called churches are frauds.

They'll never tell you the truth, because the truth is too much for most people to handle.

So obviously more and more people will stop believing in God, THANKS to the Roman Catholic Church, and their doctrines...they deceived too many people already, and they're deceiving more and more.

They'll never teach who Jesus came to save, who the Israelites really are, who the WICKED is, they'll never tell you the TRUTH about HEAVEN and HELL, about the DEVIL, about REINCARNATION...all this information is suppressed from you, so you'll never find out.

The BIBLE isn't about religion, it doesn't teach religion it teaches IDENTITY, for the Israelites. You have to be an Israelite to know the truth. These churches are all run by the wicked, they're all run by Edomites.

MATTHEW 23:1 - THEY SPITE THE LORD, SAYING THE SCRIBES OF THE PHERESIES SIT IN MOSES SEAT.

The pope, these bishops, cardinals, all of these people are all wicked, they're all spiteing the LORD, and they DONT SPEAK for the most high.

ACTS 2:3 - FOR I KNOW THAT AFTER I DEPARTED THE GREVIOUS WALLS SHALL ENTER IN AMONG YOU

that's talking about all these so-called churches.

a church is basically wherever the word of God is..churches can be on the sidewalk too, and ontop of that WOMEN can't speak while in church

Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to TEACH nor usurp AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.

out here in America, the land of the wicked, women have TOO MUCH POWER LOL..this is another reason why America aka Babylon is gonna be destroyed.

Anyway, before I get any more off the subject..all I gotta say is look man, you don't believe in the most high because you don't know his message, you've been lied to by these CHURCHES, they contributed to your Atheism..but guess what...pretty soon when this CORRUPT system on the planet Earth is DESTROYED..and when the LAWS, STATUTES, and COMMANDMENTS of the most high is the authority of the PEOPLE again...THEN only will you come to know the truth on EVERYTHING that you have been lied to on.

Noone is ever going to convince you of anything else are they?

I'd usually say no offense, but fuck it, you're fucking insane.