2ftx2ft White Widow grow

[hudson88]

Ok so I thought i'd start a log for my grow. I've done a couple of grows in the past, one with cfl's which produced some nice smoke but not very much, and a couple of hps grows, one went pretty well but the other suffered because of high summer temps.

Right so onto my current grow............
About 5-7 days ago I germinated 5 white widow seeds using the paper towel method, I know some people don't like this method but it's always worked well for me. I fold a piece of kitchen paper in half twice, place it on a small plate add a little water and place my seeds on top, then I get another piece of kitchen paper fold that the same, place it over the seeds, add a touch more water and put another plate on top. (be sure the plates you use have a bit of a lip on the bottom of them so they don't crush your seeds, hope that makes sense) Then I put them on a shelf above my boiler, it's not hot, just warm. I add a few drops of water once or twice a day to keep them moist.

After a couple of days two of the seeds have cracked open and the taproot has emerged. I get my small pots (around 3"x3" i guess) fill them nearly to the top with soil (I'm using bio bizz all-mix) make a little hole in the soil with my little finger and carefully place the seed in, making sure it's the right way around and gently push the soil around it so it stays upright before I put some soil on top of it. They then get very gently watered, not much at all, just enough to moisten the top layer at first, I don't wanna disturb that seed. I leave the pots on the shelf above the boiler to keep warm until they pop their heads out of the soil. By the end of the day the other 3 seeds have cracked and they join their friends in pots above the boiler.

Another day or two later and all of them have popped their heads out, seeds still covering their first set of leaves. If the seed is wide open I gently try to help it off the leaves, if it's being stubborn I leave it till it's looser. Now it's time to put them under some light! Right i've got a mini homemade tent about 2ftx1ft with a 125watt envirolite (flowering spectrum) but it will have to do for vegging for now, I've got other things I need to get like a proper tent and hopefully a 250 watt hps light for flowering.

So now we're upto today, the 5 WW babies have been under the 125 watt light for a day and all seems ok. I've got the light 2-3 inches from the plants and have got a small fan to circulate the air and help strengthen the stems. Temps are currently at 78F (or 26C) and that's without any extraction, i've got a small extraction fan that I can add when it's needed.

Oh and i've just ordered a proper tent :)
Only small 2ftx2ftx4.5ft high but i think it will be just right for what I want. Next on the list of things to buy is the hps and a decent extraction fan.

Any questions or advice?

[KiNdBlunt]

sounds good so far, your space is about half the size of what my tent is(5x5) which I built out of pvc pipe and black plastic. It was a lot cheaper than a pre-made tent and it requires a little bit of improvisation with mounting air circulation and stuff but has worked out nearly as good and much cheaper. If a pre-built assembly is what you want then it should be sufficient.

When those plants get old enough to start feeding nutes, you are gonna want to start LST to create an even canopy of bud sites. It's simple and a really effective way for growing indoors under artificial light. Basically by forcing the main stem to grow horizontally the secondary growth grow upright toward the light producing a top cola bud site. With that small of a room a Scrog grow would also be perfect which utilizes the LST method to precisely train your tops to be evenly spaced and a uniform canopy.

Either way, you should probably use one of these methods to efficiently use your light and increase yield.

[hudson88]

Hey kindblunt thanks for the advice. I've got a 2x1ft tent that I built myself for a cfl grow but wanted something a bit bigger this time. I thought about making one myself but found a premade purpose built grow tent for £60 or about $100 so I thought i'd save myself the hassle of building one. My DIY skills probably ain't as good as yours lol

I was gonna have a go at LST to get the biggest yield i can but before I decide on it I wanna have a look into scrogging. To be honest i'm not sure exactly what it is and need to do some reading on the subject.

When do you start feeding your plants nutes? I was thinking of starting around 2 weeks. That sound about right?

[Cede2Weed]

Hope you will be providing us pics, Hudson. I too, am looking into LST vs. scrogg. As far as I can tell scrogg is lst with a schematic. I realize you have forgot more than I know on the subject. Perhaps we can work through it together.

Using your on order 2'x2'x4.5' tent you have 576 sq inches of possible canopy space. Allowing 4"x4" for each cola you would be able to get main cola's shooting to your light with strings set every 4 inches across and length wise. With the goal being to train offshoots through these strings. Sounds simple, but I bet it isn't.

I assume the strings will need to be height adjustable.

Is this how you understand it? :thumbsup:

Good luck, I will be following your progress closely. I really appreciate the advice you have been giving me. :thumbsup:

[Cede2Weed]

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/153241-planned-closet-setup.html
SCROG post of interest

[Cede2Weed]

scratch earlier post and comments, this guy made it to where I can even understand it

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/87149-scrog-question.html

[hudson88]

Hey Cede, thanks for the comments and advice. I've decided to go with lst and give scrog a miss for this grow, i'm growing from seed and don't know the sex of my plants so i figure it would be a real pain in the ass tryna take out the males after they've a grown through the screen. As far as I know the screen is fixed, you don't need to worry about moving it up or down, when the plant grows through the screen just push them back under untill you're ready to flower then start trying to fill the empty parts of the screen training the plant to go where you want it to, then just let the plant grow through the screen so above it you've just got lots of buds.

I've had a pretty busy week tryna sort all the stuff for my grow. Got my tent a couple of days ago, it's a bit of a tight fit height wise for the area I want to put it, i'm thinking i'll have to cut a couple inches off the poles of the tent so that the fan will have a bit of room to sit on top of the tent but i'lll have to wait for my fan to arrive to be sure, that should be in the next week I hope. I've got a 250w hps cooltube setup coming with the fan too, I can't wait :)

Spent hours going round hardware places yesterday looking for eye bolts to suspend the light but nowhere had them small enough for my reflector, so i've had to improvise and get some metal rope and sort of a little lock that holds it in place, the guy said it would hold 10lbs easy, it better had lol And today i've just been and got some All Mix, some new pots and a 125 watt blue spectrum envirolite. I'll take some pics of my week old seedlings later if I get chance.

[Cede2Weed]

Kewl, looking forward to it

[hudson88]

Ok here's a pic of my one week old WW seedlings, they've been under a flowering spectrum enviro (there's a bit of stretch going on) upto today but I've just put in the blue veg spec bulb today, hopefully that'll keep them more compact. The pics not the best but my batteries went on the cam and I'm gonna have a smoke an chill. Anyway all seedlings look pretty much the same so who cares, i'll get some batteries by floweing time I promise lol

[bombdiggity]

Looking good man! Mine stretched in the beginning too, just when you transplant plant them deeper! problem solved!

[JaySin]

So did mine and I planted them deeper when I transplanted them. Some of them stretched like crazy. I have much better lighting now though.

Good luck. When I start to flower my current grow, I'm going to order some actual strains. White Widow will probably be one of my choices. For my first grow, I just used some bagseed that I'm hoping will turn out decent. Even if it's not that great, I'll still get some decent experience off of it.

[fenderninja]

Cannot wait to see this grow take off!

[hudson88]

Just a lil update, not much to report. They seem to be doing well, just growing their 3rd set of real leaves. The blue spec enviro seems to be working well too, stems are much stronger and the nodes seem pretty tight.

Only slight problem is a couple of the plants are drooping slightly which I think is probably a bit of overwatering, I've been watering a little each day so far, i'm gonna skip watering today and see how they go.

Planning to transplant them to 6l pots later this week and start lst. Whats everyone think, 2 weeks about right to start lst?

[Cede2Weed]

Proper lighting makes a world of difference. Very jealous.

:thumbsup:

[bombdiggity]

Just a lil update, not much to report. They seem to be doing well, just growing their 3rd set of real leaves. The blue spec enviro seems to be working well too, stems are much stronger and the nodes seem pretty tight.

Only slight problem is a couple of the plants are drooping slightly which I think is probably a bit of overwatering, I've been watering a little each day so far, i'm gonna skip watering today and see how they go.

Planning to transplant them to 6l pots later this week and start lst. Whats everyone think, 2 weeks about right to start lst?

I started LST when I saw 3-4 nodes

[hudson88]

Hey guys,

Hope all your grows are going well.

I've just got my cool tube, fan and filter delivered :D

Ive hooked up the light and filter, had to play around with positioning so I would lose the least height in the tent, the cooltube is a lot bigger than what I expected, it makes my tent bulge a little with the ducting on either end of it lol. Got the fan to do, the light came prewired but I'm gonna have to see if i've got some electrical flex and a plug for the fan. Other than that I just need to secure the ducting, I might have a look for some proper fastening for it next week but I think tape will do the job at least for now. Oh and I'm not gonna be able to put the tent where I initially wanted unless I cut about 4" of the frame to accomodate the ducting coming out of the top, not a lot of height to lose but the tent's starting to look cramped so I'm gonna have to think about it.

Plants are about the 2 week mark now, I transplanted into 6l pots yesterday, they all seem ok, some are growing a little faster than others, the droopy leaves seem to be a little better, I'll give them a couple of days to recover from the transplant and I'll post some pics. If I get some batteries for my cam I'll get some picks of the tent setup later.

Peace all :rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

Can't wait for you to put up some pics with your grow log.

Good luck,

shov

[hudson88]

Hey,

Well I've hooked up the fan, so now the tent is sorted. Had a test run with it for a couple of hours, outside the tent was 72F inside was 82F so i'm hoping with the 10F increase I'll be ok in summer if I run the lights through the night, we'll see lol The test run was done with just the regular passive intake, I can open a couple of vents in the tent also so that should knock a couple degrees off if I need it. I assume I can lower the temps by running the exhaust without the carbon filter on to increase air circulation? Not ideal but it might help me get through a particularly hot week.

Here's some pics of the setup.

[Cede2Weed]

Very nice:thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Right thought it was time for some updated pics of the plants. They're about 16 days old now, they seem pretty healthy to me, a little droopy from overwatering but I think they're getting over than now. Gave them a little water today for the first time since tuesday. There's a little yellowing on one of the plants so I think it's about time to try some 1/4 nutes next watering. Tried a little bit of lst on 2 of the plants, just give them a gentle bend with the string to get them used to it before I try to get them completely horizontal. Pics ain't great, I'll try to take some more tomorrow in daylight so the flash dosn't affect the colour. Any comments/advice?

Peace!

[Cede2Weed]

Looking great, Hudson.

Where did you get your new tent from? Just showed it to my wife and she did not rule it out but from looking around online, anything with a good colling system really costs.

On another subject, have you ever considered hydro? If so, what are the major drawbacks and benefits in your opinion?

Thanks.

[LiGhT420]

nice looking plants dude hope things go well and good luck

[hudson88]

Thanks guys,

Got my tent from ebay ($100, but I wish I'd paid a little more, it's not the best quality but i'm sure it'll do for at least a couple of grows) The air cooled light, fan and filter are from ebay too ($300)

I've been thinking about hydro for a while, I'll probably give it a try for my next grow. I've looked at the various systems and DWC, NFT, etc etc and would like to try Aero, from what i've read that gives the fastest growth. The one in particular I'm looking at is the Rainforest 66 it's just the right size for my tent and seems a good system.

As far as drawbacks/benefits I'm far from being an expert but in my humble opinion i'd list drawback as - not as forgiving as soil (any errors are more noticable), mechanical failure problems (if a pump goes down and you don't notice it very soon chances are your plants will die)

Advantages - Increased yield, reusable medium (no more buying fresh soil for each grow), semi automated (less time spent watering and feeding)

They're just what I can think of now and that's enough to convince me to give it a try but i'm sure there's lots I've left out.

[d0ob]

good job mate, keep up the hard work! :)

d0ob

[Shovelhandle]

Keep up the good work!

[hudson88]

I've just give the plants their first feed of bio grow, the bottle recommends 2-4ml per litre i've gone for 1ml for the first dose, only gave them a little water maybe half a litre between the 5 of them because they're just recovering from my overwatering. I was gonna wait till tomorrow but I want to stop the yellowing before it gets worse. I can't see it being anything else really, just don't remember them wanting feeding so soon in previous grows, hope I've done the right thing we'll see.

[hudson88]

Just thought I'd share some more pics with everyone. A couple showing my first attempt at lst and some other random shots I took. All seems ok for now, the yellowing doesn't seem to be getting any worse (couple of the pics show the yellowing) and they seem to be growing pretty quickly at the moment.

How's the lst looking? Any advice?

[Cede2Weed]

Looking good, Hudson! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Did you put screws in the side of your pots for anchors? Looks very well done.

[whisky]

its looking fine. green - check :thumbsup:
youve started adding a little nutrients, thats good just dont give full power yet.
ive had nute problems by having the plants go a little yellow when there small so its good to start nuting at about where you are now.. soon theyll take off and you can add more as necessary anyways..
lst looks good too, lst rocks :)

[hudson88]

Thanks for the comments guys, good to have a bit of reassurance i've done ok with the lst, was kinda worried i'd snap them at first but they're pretty tough and seem to have adjusted to it well.

yeah thats right cede i put some screws in the pots to fix the string to.

hey whisky, started nutes a few days ago at 1/2 the min dose that bio bizz advise and they seem to have really had a burst of growth this week.

I've cut down on watering this week, once every 3 days seems to be doing the job and i'm gonna feed every other watering.

LST is going well, got a few of the lower branches growing well and reaching for the lights, i'm tryna tuck leaves underneath others so they don't block any light to these sites. The main stem that i've bent to grow horizontally is now near the edge of the pot so I was thinking about training it to bend back round on itself in a kind of U shape instead of just keeping growing in a straight line (i hope that makes sense) I'm a little concerned that it may lead to light penetration or mold issues because there'll be dense folliage and buddage with the stem growing back on itself.

What do you guys think?

Oh and I've just booked a hotel in amsterdam for a couple days away with my girlfriend next month so I'm buzzing about that too :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Just some pics of the plants after 3 weeks of vegging, really seem to be growing quickly at the moment, the tallest one that hasn't been lst'd yet is around 7 inches and the lower growth on the others main stems is really starting to take off because of the lst. I've tried to show that in the pics but they're not the best shots i've taken. I might try a couple later if the sun comes out so I don't need to use the flash.

The yellowing doesn't seem to be getting any worse so I think I can relax about that. The only small problem is they're still a little droopy especially at the tips, I've cut down on my watering so I think thats ok now, just think because I transplanted a little early the roots are having problems getting to the moist soil at the bottom of the pot. Guess i'm just gonna have to be very careful watering for a little while till the roots catch up with the pots?

Anyway here's the pics.

[bombdiggity]

I get the slight droopiness right before my plants go rootbound. When I was in my starter pots they went a little droopy and as soon as I transplanted them they perked right up - now I'm in 1gal pots and they are like 4-5 weeks old - again getting droopy and now I know its time for a transplant.

Not sure how long ago you transplanted so this might not be relevant to you, just thought i'd share.

btw, plants are looking really nice - I like your LST job. I wish I had started mine like you did.

[d0ob]

looking good :) can't wait for the bud porn from these heh :jointsmile:

[hudson88]

Just a few pics to show the growth in the last week. The new growth tips are looking good, I've had to tie a couple of them down while others catch up. The yellowing's spreading on a couple of the plants, I think it's a combination of the light not getting to the bottom leaves and me needing to up the nutes (gonna try 2 ml per litre next feed) . I was gonna do a light flush tomorrow, I like to do them roughly every 4 weeks to try and prevent lock outs.

Anyone agree or disagree with my diagnosis? Any comments/advice would be appreciated.

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Nice looking plants! i like your LST job it looks very well done...

Should be doing well with your nute schedule, do those pots have quite a bit of soil or no? i cant really tell but if they do theyll do great with room to stretch around in the pots.

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:


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[Cede2Weed]

They look great to me, Hudson. That yellowing looks very minimal. Good job!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[hudson88]

I get the slight droopiness right before my plants go rootbound. When I was in my starter pots they went a little droopy and as soon as I transplanted them they perked right up - now I'm in 1gal pots and they are like 4-5 weeks old - again getting droopy and now I know its time for a transplant.

Not sure how long ago you transplanted so this might not be relevant to you, just thought i'd share.

btw, plants are looking really nice - I like your LST job. I wish I had started mine like you did.

Hey bomb, i potted up a little early to the 6 litre pots they're in now so i'm sure they're not getting rootbound yet but thanks for the input i'll keep it in mind when it's time to transplant again.


looking good :) can't wait for the bud porn from these heh :jointsmile:

Me neither mate :D


Nice looking plants! i like your LST job it looks very well done...

Should be doing well with your nute schedule, do those pots have quite a bit of soil or no? i cant really tell but if they do theyll do great with room to stretch around in the pots.

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/153590-first-grow-good-advice-always-needed.html

Yeah 6 litre pots, i didn't fill them right to the top initially coz i was gonna do a layer of clay pebbles on top but with the overwatering early on I didn't bother but i've filled them up with more soil since then.


They look great to me, Hudson. That yellowing looks very minimal. Good job!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm not overly worried about the yellowing but thought i'd ask and see what others thought incase i'd missed anything, diagnosing plant problems is a weakness for me which i'm working on so until I get there i'll need a bit of help from time to time.

[Giro2007]

Hey hudson, i like the tent setup i'll probably have a similar one for my next grow. Is there a carbon filter on your fan? if so what kind do u use?

[hudson88]

I've had family staying with me for a couple of days and didn't get chance to do the flush yesterday as planned. The yellowing has spread to a couple more leaves and the plants aren't looking so good. I've flushed them and gave them 1ml per litre of bio bizz grow. They're sat in the bath now just drying out a bit before I put them back under the lights.

Any comments/advice? Anyone think I should be doing anything else or i've misdiagnosed nitrogen def/nute lockout?

Here's some pics.

[hudson88]

They're looking a lot better now, that flush and feed seems to have done the trick, yellowing has stopped Been a lot of growth in the last 2 days.

Hey giro, i've not forgot about the filter question, the leaflet that came with it is in the box that the lights and fan came in and I put that in the loft last week. I'll go dig it out soon, give me a shout if you're in a hurry to get one.

Here's some pics

[hudson88]

Oh yeah and I've got alternating nodes now on all but one plant. So I think i'm gonna go get some cloning supplies (blades and rooting gel) in the next couple of days, take some cuttings, give the plants a week to recover then flip to 12/12!

Here's pics of the alternating nodes.

[hudson88]

Well I made a trip to the hydro store to get the cloning supplies, sterile scalpel, root riot starter cubes and clonex rooting gel. While I was there I thought i'd get an oxypot (dwc) too, i've been thinking about trying something other than soil for my next grow so thought i'd get my feet wet with the oxypot. It'll give me a chance to get a feel for a different way of growing and I can still grow a couple plants with soil too incase I screw up the dwc.

Anyway I come home and get the oxypot set up, test the pump, no problems. So then I start on the clones. Get four of the five plants out, (i'm not doing the other one yet as it's lagging behind the others and it's not got anything big enough to take a clone) Find one good branch from each plant, around 4" tall i guess, cut off all but the top leaves, and trim the bottom of the stem about 1/2" under where i've trimmed the bottom leaves from, dip it in clonex and pop it in a cube. All 4 done and in the propagator, misted and under 125 w enviro I decide to relax and roll one up. :rastasmoke:

So I'm sat there chillin when I realize i've forgotton to label them up :mad: Gutted! I've made my best guess to label them now, but I could very well be completely wrong lol Oh well it'll teach me to take my time in future!

On the bright side the clones look quite happy. :D

[justanotherbozo]

Well I made a trip to the hydro store to get the cloning supplies, sterile scalpel, root riot starter cubes and clonex rooting gel. While I was there I thought i'd get an oxypot (dwc) too, i've been thinking about trying something other than soil for my next grow so thought i'd get my feet wet with the oxypot. It'll give me a chance to get a feel for a different way of growing and I can still grow a couple plants with soil too incase I screw up the dwc.

Anyway I come home and get the oxypot set up, test the pump, no problems. So then I start on the clones. Get four of the five plants out, (i'm not doing the other one yet as it's lagging behind the others and it's not got anything big enough to take a clone) Find one good branch from each plant, around 4" tall i guess, cut off all but the top leaves, and trim the bottom of the stem about 1/2" under where i've trimmed the bottom leaves from, dip it in clonex and pop it in a cube. All 4 done and in the propagator, misted and under 125 w enviro I decide to relax and roll one up. :rastasmoke:

So I'm sat there chillin when I realize i've forgotton to label them up :mad: Gutted! I've made my best guess to label them now, but I could very well be completely wrong lol Oh well it'll teach me to take my time in future!

On the bright side the clones look quite happy. :D

been there, done that. also, it's probably a good idea to take 2 cuttings minimum per plant, first cause 1 might die, second, so you can flower one and hold one back to become a momma maybe, or to die if a male.
and good luck with the DWC, my first grow was in dirt and now i'm using DWC for my second and i love it, my plants are WAY bigger than when in dirt and the seeds came from the same source so i know it's the DWC and not different genetics. just make sure you add plenty of air to the res, oh, and if you like the DWC and think you want to use more of it, don't buy small pumps, get a good one at your local hydro store, it will be cheaper in the long run.

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[killa12345]

Plants are looking great......man it seems we have silimar thoughts.....i was just about to arder one of those tents of ebay, but one of the more expensive ones with the metal braces and vents i think it was like $200 for 26"x56"x 60". I definely going to be tuned in for this one......Good Luck:thumbsup:
Killa12345

[Cede2Weed]

Glad things are progressing, Hudson. I hope you will be starting a new log on your DWC grow. :thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Hey thanks for dropping by guys!

Bozo - Yeah you're right I should of taken more clones, out of the 4 clones I took 3 of them look pretty good, just the one of them looks like it might struggle. I'm sure you know what it's like tho, you just wanna get your plants into flower ASAP so you can get some bud, I'll plan better next time. I've also taken my clones a little too soon to flowering, the cutting's I took were one of the top shoots that had developed after my lst, since then i've read that it could affect my yield not giving the plant enough time to heal. I've made a decision to go ahead with flowering as planned anyway because basically i'm short on space. So hears hoping it won't affect yield too much.

Killa - My tent's got metal braces and vents, I think the only difference between the DR and the DR Street is that the street is made from a cheaper material, thinner fabric and the reflective material on the inside isn't the best. Other than that i'm happy with it, just wish i'd got a bigger one now ;)

Cede - Good to see you mate, not seen you around for a while. Yeah I'll keep you all updated on the DWC but i'm not sure when i'll be starting that. I was hoping to put one of the clones in it when it's rooted but I need to get some stuff first, (ph and ec reader) money's a bit tight at present and it might be a better idea to wait till I get back from my trip.

Oh btw even tho i'm still running 18/6 lights there's been quite a bit of stretching going on, I don't think it's anything to worry about but just thought i'd mention it.

Here's some pics I took earlier today.

[justanotherbozo]

btw, have you considered building yourself a cloner? mine cost me about $12.00 to make, not counting the air pump, and i love it. i put 18 cuttings in 8 days ago and 15 are rooted firmly and ready for transplanting (today) and the other 3 just didn't make it, still, i count that a success! come take a look
anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[hudson88]

Ok so i've switched the lights to 12/12.

Here's some pics I took of them in the tent, sorry they're not the best quality.

[hudson88]

Hey bozo,

15/18 in 8 days is great, i'd be happy with speed and success like that! No i'd not really thought of building a cloner, tho when i've got this grow running pretty smoothly and i've got a bit of time i'd like to give it a try. Oh yeah and there's the DWC to worry about first too, i'm sure that will take a while to get used to.

I'll come over and take a look at yours later mate, $12 sounds like a bargain!

[justanotherbozo]

i went to post some pics of the roots today and noticed that it was May 6th that i started them so it's only been SIX days not 8, wheww, that was fast. oh, and it looks like maybe 2 of the 3 that didn't root might still be ok, so that will be 17 of 18! awesome!
my first grow was in dirt also and i decided to try hydro this time myself. EVERYTHING i'm using is DWC, right down to the bubble cloner, it's basically just a shallow DWC. i have had awesome vegatative growth with it and really good luck too 'cause i have NO meters. i can't check anything but ph right now but, so far, everything is going great.
anyway, i'm about 1 week away from starting to flower for sex, then i will hold back a momma from both strains and start filling my sea of green, 4 clones at a time.

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Cede2Weed]

Hey, Hudson. Just a guess here, but I bet the stretching you experienced was due to the denseness of your plants in tight quarters. Probably shoots fighting amongst themselves for light as opposed to typical stretching caused by low lighting or distance. Just a guess.

They look awesome. If they double in height during flower you are going to have a very hard time getting them in and out for our cannaporn. :thumbsup:

[Malsor]

hey Hudson...any update on your plants?

[hudson88]

Hey guys,

just a quick update, the plants were looking pretty bad about a week ago, a number of leaves had gone pale all over the plant, some worse than others, stems also turned purple. Initially I upped the grow feed but the yellowing got worse, I then figured it was probably mg or sulphur def so have been adding epsom salts this week (1/4 t-spoon per 1.5 litres of water in with feed and same strength for foliar feed) Things are looking much better now, the colour is slowly coming back.

I'm now about 10 days into 12/12, a couple of days ago I spotted 2 males and chopped them down. The 3 that were left have all shown pistils withing the last 48 hours, i'm happy with 3/5 females :D

Of the 4 clones I took 2 of them have rooted, the other two seem ok but still havent shown any roots. The two that are showing roots i think are males :( but i cant be sure as i cocked up the labelling :( One of the rooted ones i've put into my oxypot just as a trial run really so if i kill the clone it dont really matter, it's only been in a couple of days but the it's growing pretty quick :cool: Ive taken a couple more clones a day or two ago, i know these ones are all female ;) so im gonna put one in the pot as soon as it roots.

Think the only other thing i've done is potted up to 11 litres today, they were pretty rootbound, i think i did it just in time. The tents looking a lot more spacious with two less plants in there, i'm hoping theyre gonna fill up with buds tho soon :D

I'll get some pics up soon guys.

[hudson88]

Here's a few pics i've just taken. Let me know what you think!

[Malsor]

how tall are the plants?

[jessejames12345]

Nice Man !! ...look very healthy , whats the strain again ? Going to be tall stacks of bud :)

[hudson88]

Hey, Hudson. Just a guess here, but I bet the stretching you experienced was due to the denseness of your plants in tight quarters. Probably shoots fighting amongst themselves for light as opposed to typical stretching caused by low lighting or distance. Just a guess.

They look awesome. If they double in height during flower you are going to have a very hard time getting them in and out for our cannaporn. :thumbsup:

I wasn't sure if the stretch was due to the deficiency problem I had as that was around the same time but I think you're probably right cede about it being down to overcrowding. It'll be better next grow when I've not gotta worry about males ;)


how tall are the plants?

They're all around 2ft


Nice Man !! ...look very healthy , whats the strain again ? Going to be tall stacks of bud :)

Thanks Jesse, it's white widow :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Just noticed some yellowing on the bottom leaves, I just gave plain water last time as id just potted up, figured they're still hungry so fed 1ml grow and 2ml bloom per litre of water.

Here's some more pics :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Hey guys, hope all your grows are going great!

I've been away for a couple of days and things have really changed in the garden while i've been away. I checked my veg cab first and the first thing I looked at was my clones in the newly built bubble cloner, it's been going for 5 days I think, with some cuttings i'd taken that had looked like dying while in root riot cubes, well 2 of the 3 have grow roots! I'm really pleased with that coz i've had a lot of problems with clones but i think i'm getting the hang of it eventually :D

A clone that rooted a couple of weeks ago that had been vegging had grown into the light and had burnt pretty badly and had to be cut back but thats nothing too serious to worry about.

I was a little nervous approaching my flower room, hoping everything would be ok and no crisis was waiting for me. The first thing i noticed was how much the buds had grown, they're really starting to look like buds now ;)

Just one concern is that one of the plants still seems to be having a problem with yellowing bottom leaves still, overall I think it looks pretty healthy and i probably just need to up the feed, i'd be grateful for any advice or opinions, thanks! :rastasmoke:

Some pics

A newly rooted female ww clone from my bubbler

And a couple of young buds!

[hudson88]

A full pic of the problem plant.

Two pics of affected leaves.

And a pic of the 3 girls together.

[jessejames12345]

Hey man , that just looks like typical yellowing you see when flowering as the plants use up the nitrogen in the leaves. I wouldnet be tooooo worried.

Peace
jj

[bombdiggity]

yeah man, mine did that on the bottom two. they just fell off eventually, and every once in a while I see a new yellow leaf. Only on the bottom of the plant. And it did start happening right after I switched to bloom ferts, cutting back on N.

they are looking great, by the way. :thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Any comments/advice people?

:rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Hey jesse and bomb, thanks for the reassurance. I've upped the nutes a little and the yellowing seems to have slowed right down.

I know you shouldn't but i've been thinking about the yield. I'll be pleased whatever it is within reason so long as it's a nice smoke but I'd like to think i'd achieve somewhere between 35 and 42 grams per plant. What do you think is that realistic taking into account how my plants look now or am I being optimistic?

Any comments/advice appreciated

[Shovelhandle]

Awesome plants, man.
I had chromatic (yellow) leaves through the grow. Like you I added a little N to the bloom nutes. It seems with the stronger light comes faster growing and the plants use up the food from these leaf "factories". By the results of my grow I would consider the yellowing normal.
You should get your expected 1-2 ounces easily. Looking great.

Shov

[hudson88]

Hey thanks shovel, yeah upping the N seems to stopped most of the yellowing, i've backed off the grow nutes and upped the bloom nutes this watering tho, i read too much N can slow flowering so want to make sure i don't overdo it. Most of the leaves i think are looking a nice healthy green, we'll see how they look in a few days, i can always up the N again.

Oh and by the way, you've got a lot more confidence in my yield than i have lol Tho every couple of days i can see they're getting bigger and i'm probably only half way through flowering if they go 9 weeks so i don't think i'll be dissapointed.


Just been up and watered one of the plants the others i'll leave for another day or two. Took a couple of pics while the girl was out. She's got more cola's but they're slimmer than the others, so it'll probably even out in yield i guess. Pruned a couple of the lower buds that i don't think will ever properly develop, wow couldn't believe how sticky they were. I'll trim the leaves off and hopefully i'll get a tester joint or two out of it :rastasmoke:

Here's some pics.

[jessejames12345]

Yea man , coming along nicly. Crazy how fast they plump up around this time in growth huh :hippy:
You've made a great use of your small space :thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Just a couple of pics,

One of the clone in the oxypot, not sure if i'm gonna keep as a mom or flower it. (Had a couple hot days and you can see the heat stress showing on the lower leaves)

And another bud shot

[bombdiggity]

buds look great. the next couple of weeks will surprise you in bud growth i'm willing to bet

[hudson88]

Yea man , coming along nicly. Crazy how fast they plump up around this time in growth huh :hippy:
You've made a great use of your small space :thumbsup:

Yeah they're really starting to fill out nicely, thanks i did try to fill the space best i could but overdid it a bit waiting for them to sexually mature as they were from seed and space got tight in veg and they stretched more than i would of liked.


buds look great. the next couple of weeks will surprise you in bud growth i'm willing to bet

I hope so :D

[hudson88]

38 days into flowering

Ok so time for an update, i've had a few problems the last few days, the clone in the oxypot has been growing strange, it's started growing 3 fingered leaves and has some brown spots on it (the other clones i've transplanted to soil and they're doing well) I've checked the PH and it went from 6.0 to 7.0 in a few days (i know i should check daily, i've learnt my lesson ) i can only put this down to the hydroton, i thought i'd washed it enough and left it to soak in ph'd water for about 8 hours, i've adjusted the ph of the oxypot back down to 5.8 with the help of my new ph pen and put some more hydroton in ph'd water to change so i can swap it if i can't stabalise the stuff in the pot.

The plant in flowering that's having the problems with the yellowing leaves i'm pretty sure is an overwatering problem, i noticed a couple of weeks ago it was staying wet longer than the others and flushed thinking it might of had a nute lockout that was causing the yellowing (doh, just made the problem worse) After the flush i fed half strength nutes and the yellowing continued so i figured the feed needed increasing and fed again (it still ain't clicked i'm overwatering ) Made a right royal cock up of it, anyway now the pennies finally dropped i've had it out of the pot and put a fan on the mud to dry it out a bit, so here's hoping i can get it healthy quickly. The roots don't look too bad i was worried about root rot but if there is root rot it's pretty mild, i'm thinking about getting someting as a preventative/treatment just to be safe, i've done some reading and h2o2 or rhizotonic might be worth a try, what do you think?

Anyway enough bad news The other two plants are looking healthy enough. Had them out for a feed tonight, i'm feeding 3ml grow and 6ml bloom per litre. Here's some pics!

[Giro2007]

Hey hudson those girls look sweet, nice one

[Ragey1]

plants look great hudson , ive just brought some white widdow seeds hope mine turn out as good , well done mate:S5:

[DrSpoof]

great log man, sorry i stumbled upon it so late. love the bud sites with your lst... ill be watching to see the harvest :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[zebulon]

Beautiful looking plants....It would be great to smoke some of that weed...nice work....:thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Hey hudson those girls look sweet, nice one

Cheers Giro, starting to get pretty stinky and sticky now :D


plants look great hudson , ive just brought some white widdow seeds hope mine turn out as good , well done mate:S5:

Hey Ragey thanks, grow's been a challenge at times but i know it's gonna be worth it in a couple of weeks :rastasmoke: Good luck with your grow mate!


great log man, sorry i stumbled upon it so late. love the bud sites with your lst... ill be watching to see the harvest :jointsmile:

Thanks for dropping by Dr, glad you like the log, i'm enjoying doing it, helps me so i can look back see how the plants are changing and growing and all the comments/advice are a big help. Thanks everyone :thumbsup: And i'm loving LST - simply and effective!

DrSpiggity


Beautiful looking plants....It would be great to smoke some of that weed...nice work....:thumbsup:

Hey zeb, good to see you. I was thinking the same about your buds in your cfl log a couple of weeks ago ;) Cheers!

[hydrocannabis]

them buds look super yummy yumm.:D

noce job ther.

[camoxnhx]

those look dank! i just cant wait till im able to grow a crop or 2 like that! but WW is my next thing i want to grow then when i get good enough i want to try my luck with G13. but you going to do a smoke report with this.

[Shovelhandle]

How's that wet plant doing? Did you solve the problem with drainage or what?

Shov

[hudson88]

How's that wet plant doing? Did you solve the problem with drainage or what?

Shov

Hey shovel, i took it out of the pot and gave it a bit of a dry with a fan heater (i kept it a distance away so as not to damage any roots, took about 6 hours) and replaced some of the soil with hydroton clay pebbles, that was a couple of days ago. I did some reading and figured rhizotonic might help (says it's good for stress and promoting root growth) while i was there the guy talked me into getting cannazym too, he said it breaks down any dead roots and kills the rot. I've just give it a very light watering with just the rhizotonic and cannazym (apparently it works best with no nutes) hopefully it'll start drinking a bit more now, have to wait and see.

Any other suggestions mate?

[hudson88]

them buds look super yummy yumm.:D

noce job ther.

Thanks hydro, i took a small sample (enough for two small joints) a couple of days ago and quick dried it infront of the fire for a few hours, it was still pretty tasty tho and it got me baked :D


those look dank! i just cant wait till im able to grow a crop or 2 like that! but WW is my next thing i want to grow then when i get good enough i want to try my luck with G13. but you going to do a smoke report with this.

Thanks camo, funny you should mention G13 I ordered some G13xHaze seeds earlier in the week, hopefully i'll be able to pick them up and crack a couple tomorrow ;)

[Wert]

Very nice my friend, I hope I can get my hands on some reputable strains in the near future. In the meantime ill just ogle over yours haha

[hudson88]

Very nice my friend, I hope I can get my hands on some reputable strains in the near future. In the meantime ill just ogle over yours haha

Haha thanks mate.

Here's some budshots at 42 days of flowering

I think i'll get some nice ice hash from them leaves :D

You can see a bit of overfert, leaves curling downwards and a bit of burn on the tips of the leaves

[hudson88]

Doh here's the pics!

[zebulon]

Did you pour some sugar on those??:D
Absolutely beautiful buds mate, you definitely have a green thumb....:greenthumb:

Imo the down curling leafs on the top are from heat stress....i had that too on my previous plant....

[hudson88]

Did you pour some sugar on those??:D
Absolutely beautiful buds mate, you definitely have a green thumb....:greenthumb:

:D Thanks mate, a bit of hard work and a lot of luck more likely ;)




Imo the down curling leafs on the top are from heat stress....i had that too on my previous plant....

Yeah you could be right, there was a few hot days a week or two ago.

[jessejames12345]

God I love how WW just FROSTS up like that...its amazing . Be ready for ome ASSKICK smoke my friend :jointsmile:

[camoxnhx]

WOWSERS. that pretty lady looks like lots of love for you to smoke! so have you gotten you G13xHaze seeds in yet, and you should FOR SURE do a grow log on the G13xHaze. such a amzing strain.

[hudson88]

God I love how WW just FROSTS up like that...its amazing . Be ready for ome ASSKICK smoke my friend :jointsmile:

Yeah that one plant in particular is really frosty, can't wait for the next couple weeks to pass :D


WOWSERS. that pretty lady looks like lots of love for you to smoke! so have you gotten you G13xHaze seeds in yet, and you should FOR SURE do a grow log on the G13xHaze. such a amzing strain.

Thanks mate, no the headshop never got them in :mad: I've done a bit of reading about g13 online and decided to give shantibaba's g13 skunk a try, it's got more g13 in it than the haze cross and apparently shanti reckons it's the best of the g13 crosses. Ordered them at the weekend and they just got delivered about 30 mins ago, (20 seeds for £30 or $60 for you guys across the pond, much cheaper than the barneys farm g13xhaze) i've just put two of them in paper towels, hopefully i get at least one girl that can go in the flowering room with a couple of widow clones in a few weeks :rastasmoke:

[camoxnhx]

Thanks mate, no the headshop never got them in :mad: I've done a bit of reading about g13 online and decided to give shantibaba's g13 skunk a try, it's got more g13 in it than the haze cross and apparently shanti reckons it's the best of the g13 crosses. Ordered them at the weekend and they just got delivered about 30 mins ago, (20 seeds for £30 or $60 for you guys across the pond, much cheaper than the barneys farm g13xhaze) i've just put two of them in paper towels, hopefully i get at least one girl that can go in the flowering room with a couple of widow clones in a few weeks :rastasmoke:[/QUOTE]

Really now. 60USD isnt bad at all. Now please do a grow log when you get em in. i would love to see the growing process and after the grow in done smoke some and take a pic of your eyes afterwards. lol

[leebud]

hi hope you dont mind the questions but i have a puplehaze plant growing outdoors how and when do i know when its ready for budding as you can tell im really new to this all advice much appreciated thanx

[hudson88]

hi hope you dont mind the questions but i have a puplehaze plant growing outdoors how and when do i know when its ready for budding as you can tell im really new to this all advice much appreciated thanx

Hey, if you're growing outdoors it'll flower when it's ready as the days get shorter the plants recieve less light and naturally start to bud, you'll see white hairs growing off the plant if it's a girl and a what looks like a small bunch of grapes growing from the males.

Good luck!

[justanotherbozo]

hi hope you dont mind the questions but i have a puplehaze plant growing outdoors how and when do i know when its ready for budding as you can tell im really new to this all advice much appreciated thanx

hello and welcome to can.com.
what you need to do is start your own thread here (http://boards.cannabis.com/introduce-yourself/) so we don't jack someone else's thread answering your questions.

that being said, you also need to spend some time here (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html) doing some research

[hudson88]

hi hope you dont mind the questions but i have a puplehaze plant growing outdoors how and when do i know when its ready for budding as you can tell im really new to this all advice much appreciated thanx


hello and welcome to can.com.
what you need to do is start your own thread here (http://boards.cannabis.com/introduce-yourself/) so we don't jack someone else's thread answering your questions.

that being said, you also need to spend some time here (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html) doing some research

Thanks bozo, you after a job as admin ;)

[hudson88]

I've just been and checked on the girls and all's looking good, here's some pics i took while i was up there.

1st pic is of the 3 girls that have been flowering for just over six weeks and you can just make out a clone in the bottom right of the pic, she's been in there about a week and just started producing pistils, she's only small but i wanted to fill the space and thought it'd be interesting to see how a plant with short veg performs compared to the others, before she came in here i think she rooted for 7 days and vegged for another 7.

2nd pic is of my little veg cab, they're both cuttings from the widows in flower, i took them the same time as the clone in flower so that makes them about 3 weeks old i think. You can see the massive difference in growth between the plant in the oxypot and the one in soil and i slowed the one in the oxypot for a week when the ph was way too high! Right now i'm thinking of flowering the one in the bubbler and keeping the one in dirt for a mum but we'll see.

3 and 4 are just a couple of the plant in the oxypot, i tried to show the crazy branching thats going on, i only topped it once! The one in dirt was topped about a week ago too.

[painretreat]

Viewing entire thread throughout grow and really enjoy it! Plants look g8 as well! :thumbsup:

[jakezking]

hudson88, those are some beautiful babies there! The branching on the oxypot plant are insane! Any idea of whether it is the growing conditions or the strain that are causing such a dense branch development? In your opinion, is it a good thing or a bad thing? I can see where it would create a bit of a lighting issue, in providing light to some of the inner potential bud sites?

All in all, you have an incredible setup and some gorgeous gals! I wish you continued success! Be good out there!

[hudson88]

Viewing entire thread throughout grow and really enjoy it! Plants look g8 as well! :thumbsup:

Thanks, glad you're enjoying it, me too :D


hudson88, those are some beautiful babies there! The branching on the oxypot plant are insane! Any idea of whether it is the growing conditions or the strain that are causing such a dense branch development? In your opinion, is it a good thing or a bad thing? I can see where it would create a bit of a lighting issue, in providing light to some of the inner potential bud sites?

All in all, you have an incredible setup and some gorgeous gals! I wish you continued success! Be good out there!

It's gotta be the bubbler, growth is ridiculously fast. Yeah i've been a little worried as to how this is gonna work when it gets a couple weeks into flower, mainly the worry's about space,i'll work something out. As far as light penetration either a bit of LST or perhaps a mini scrog over it should do the trick.

You're too kind, thanks! :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Hey guys an gals,

Just a lil update, I'm at the end of week seven now, the sick plant that i've almost drowned is getting flushed now, tho i'm not sure why i'm bothering, it's not drinking lol I've pulled it outta the flower room and am leaving it in the dark for a couple of days before the chop.

I've filled the space it left with the widow in the bubbler, can't wait to see that grow!

The 7 week old widows in flower still look like they've got a week or two left. I was planning on reducing nutes over the next two weeks, i was gonna lower grow to 1ml per litre and just lower bloom a little to around 5ml per litre. What does everyone else do?

Oh and of the two G13xskunk seeds i started germing, one has cracked and been planted, it's just poked it's head above the ground today, but the other's still waiting to crack, i've put another seed in to germ incase the others a dud.

Here's a couple bud shots!

[painretreat]

Really learning a lot and enjoying your thread. The pix's are just great and show the care you've taken to space out your germination and cloning. Lst seemed to fall off a bit, but learned a lot and hope to see more pix of lst's on the one's coming up! Can't tell you how nice those look. Would be nice to see how you harvest and dry? thanks a million! :thumbsup:

[camoxnhx]

Look at thoes buds! bomb diggidey! so im pump to see you G13 x Skunk grow. honestly im quite intreged by the things i've read on the G13 strains. best of luck to you and enjoy the smoke of the WW! she will do many wonders for you!

[joedirte]

just had to complement how good your plants look.:thumbsup: oh jedi master, please show me the way! nah jk.

and that bubbler is bad ass. is it DWC? my plants take so long to grow...:cool:

[hudson88]

Hey hey :D

Ok i'm pretty baked...........let me try work out what day we're on...............ahhh day 54..........i think lol

I chopped the problem (root rot) plant a few days ago, i chopped the 3 main cola's (i stole one the week before :rasta:) and hung them in a cheapo drying box i made which i attached to my exhaust to assist with the drying. They're pretty much dry after 3 days so i've put them in paper bags to dry a little longer. I'll improve the bud dryer by altering the flow of the exhaust so it doesn't blow directly on the buds and might connect it to it's own fan so it's a little cooler.

The buds aren't great but i knew they wouldn't be, they've grown very little in the last 3 weeks or so while the other two have really filled out, but they are better than i thought they would be so i'm happy. They're not as airy as i thought they would be, don't get me wrong they aren't big thick buds but they aren't hollow things that grind to nothing. The taste is pretty good considering no cure yet and it smokes pretty smooth, a joint gets me pretty baked too :D

Yields low but i've known that for the last couple of weeks. My scales are at a mates and i'm parra about asking for them back when i'm gonna be having new weed and we all no the same people so i might have to go buy some more lol I'd guess yield is somewhere around 3/4 of an oz tho. No biggy, i've learnt to plan better and water my plants individually not as a group tryna save myself time. And i reckon i've got around the 3oz mark with the other two that will be done soon. :jointsmile:

The bubbler's gone into the flower room about 5 days ago and is looking good. Of the two plants in week 8 of flower one looks like it'll come down in the next 3-5 days, most trichs are looking cloudy when i checked, so i've give it a flush. The other looks like it'll be a week or two longer, still a lot of white pistils, thats had grow stopped but 7ml per litre of bloom.

Right i think that's it for the update, sorry it was a long one but like i said i'm pretty baked :D

Oh and i'll take some more pics soon, got family stoppin so don't wanna be taking any now ;)



Really learning a lot and enjoying your thread. The pix's are just great and show the care you've taken to space out your germination and cloning. Lst seemed to fall off a bit, but learned a lot and hope to see more pix of lst's on the one's coming up! Can't tell you how nice those look. Would be nice to see how you harvest and dry? thanks a million! :thumbsup:

Glad your learning from it too :cool:, i know i've learned a lot. Yeah after the first couple of weeks training with LST you really don't have to do much, i'm not sure if i'm gonna be LST'ing my next lot, the small clone in flower now i just left natural, the one in the bubbler I topped is really busy and wide and will take up a lot of space for sure so i'm don't think i'll be able to LST the G13xSkunk as I don't think i'll have the space. :(

As for the timing, i've had problems along the way, I should of given them a little longer to recover from taking clones from them before flowering but was forced to flower them early I've been lucky lately filling up the empty spaces in the flower room with clones ;), but i'm gonna have to wait for the G13xSkunk for a couple of weeks after I harvest the two mature Widows.

Thanks


Look at thoes buds! bomb diggidey! so im pump to see you G13 x Skunk grow. honestly im quite intreged by the things i've read on the G13 strains. best of luck to you and enjoy the smoke of the WW! she will do many wonders for you!

Yeah i can't wait for the G13xSkunk either, i germed 2 seeds initally and one popped after 24 hrs the other still hadn't popped 3 or 4 days later so i put another one in to germ, 24 hours later both seeds had popped so now I have 3 G13's :D They're in root riots now and all seem to be fine ;) I'm enjoying it don't you worry :rasta:




just had to complement how good your plants look.:thumbsup: oh jedi master, please show me the way! nah jk.

and that bubbler is bad ass. is it DWC? my plants take so long to grow...:cool:

LOL thanks JD, yeah it's DWC, growth is craaaazy fast ;)

[tokr2153]

from what ive seen look like u got a nice grow going on

[hudson88]

Cheers, thanks for droppin in tokr :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Thought it was about time for some more pics, this time how it looks in the tent. Didn't get many coz my batteries went.

[danish]

one word... DAMN!
Mine is just 2 days from seed but im hoping for a result half a nice as yours as its my first real skunk trial only done pot up till now...

Any advice on light distance with a 600w ?

[painretreat]

having a vicarious HI for you! Nice looking-busting out a da box, eh?:thumbsup:

[anbesol]

WOAH!

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

this thread makes me want to grow the WW. very nice looking colas on those ladies. fine job hudson

-gmorning

[hudson88]

Thanks for all the comments guys :D

I've been able to have a proper look at my grow tonight, things are getting really tight in there now lol The widow in the bubbler is huge, it's kinda intimidating lol :confused:, looks like it's got 8 main tops growing pretty much evenly.

Unfortunately the 2 that are nearly ready for the chop don't seem to have progressed much in the last few days, still waiting for amber trichs, so the tents bulging by an extra inch every day :wtf:

Oh and i'm gonna get some batteries tomorrow so i'll post some pics :rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

lookin good hudson!! very good use of space:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[jakezking]

I thought you had a few WW's in there, hudson! Dang, that is a single plant, eh? You will have fun with her, and your other plants will love it when she has left, so they finally have a lil' elbow room! I also appreciate your setup. I saw that anbesol has a nice tent too. Where did you get your tent from, and do you find that it works really well? From the looks of your plants, the tent does an incredible job with no light leaks, eh?

Just thought I'd add more kudos to your grow thread, my friend! Keep up the outstanding work!

[hudson88]

lookin good hudson!! very good use of space:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

Thanks WT :thumbsup:


I thought you had a few WW's in there, hudson! Dang, that is a single plant, eh? You will have fun with her, and your other plants will love it when she has left, so they finally have a lil' elbow room! I also appreciate your setup. I saw that anbesol has a nice tent too. Where did you get your tent from, and do you find that it works really well? From the looks of your plants, the tent does an incredible job with no light leaks, eh?

Just thought I'd add more kudos to your grow thread, my friend! Keep up the outstanding work!

Thanks JK, the tent is a secret jardin tent, got it from ebay, yeah it seems to be working out pretty good for me, it's got a few pin prick holes around the zip, nothing major.

[hudson88]

Here you go, time for some updated bud shots me thinks!

[McDanger]

WOW!!!!
Isn't it great how much a small space will produce when properly planned.
Great log:pimp::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Lovely buds, Bub! Just about ready?

[hudson88]

WOW!!!!
Isn't it great how much a small space will produce when properly planned.
Great log:pimp::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cheers McDanger, dunno bout it being properly planned tho, looks like my tents gonna pop at the moment lol


Lovely buds, Bub! Just about ready?

Much appreciated coming from you shov, yeah i'm checking trichs every couple of days waiting for a couple of amber then i'm gonna put them in the dark for a couple days before i chop, that sound about right to you?

[hudson88]

Had the widow in the bubbler out for a res change today so thought i'd take some pics. I've gone from putting 30ml of green dream veg to 20ml GD veg and 25ml GD bloom in the res as there's some pale patches started to develop here and there. I've also upped the Rhizotonic from 40ml to 50ml roots are looking ok just a little off white and i was using the rhiz a little under the recommended dose. Ph is set around 5.5, it usually rises about 0.5 24hrs after a change so it usually stabalizes around 6.

Here's the pics of it!

[SnSstealth]

well fucking played.....nice
almost ready huh...
.whiskeytango

[hudson88]

well fucking played.....nice
almost ready huh...
.whiskeytango

Haha thanks WT :D

Yeah only a couple of days i think :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

So the first lot of ww's are nearing the end of their lives, only a couple of days before the chop, while i'm pretty happy with the grow I know I've made a few mistakes and can improve, I've got a few ideas where i've gone wrong but thought it would be interesting to ask all you guys an girls for your views, can you spot anything i've done wrong or you'd do differently? Any areas you think I should look at improving? Can you see any problems from the pics?

All comments are appreciated, i'll share my views with you in a few days, thanks!

H :rastasmoke:

[zebulon]

This was a great grow, nice work mate....i can't wait to see the end product...:thumbsup:
You used BioBizz nutes rite?? What you think about it, is it good, where there any problems?? I'm asking because i use BioCanna and it would be good to know which is better. Next year i think i gonna try to grow whit BioBizz nutes. Canna is good too, but maybe Bizz is better....

[reef3er]

your grow looks amazin hudson,your gonna be pink-eyed for a long time with those sugared up buds!! im well interested in the dwc bubbler the growth on that clone is unbelievable,ive heard the dwc pots are alot of work i.e. constanly topping up the water/nutes,has this been the case with your dwc and are they pretty straightforward to use ?:thumbsup:

p.s. you will be glad when you chop your buds to give some space to the bubblin beast lol

[hudson88]

This was a great grow, nice work mate....i can't wait to see the end product...:thumbsup:
You used BioBizz nutes rite?? What you think about it, is it good, where there any problems?? I'm asking because i use BioCanna and it would be good to know which is better. Next year i think i gonna try to grow whit BioBizz nutes. Canna is good too, but maybe Bizz is better....

Cheers zeb, yeah i can't wait either, but funnily enough the smallest of the tops just happened to break :rolleyes: while i was moving pots around the flower room so i'll be able to have a preview of the bigger ones to come :D

Hard to comment on the nutes coz i've got nothing to compare them to, had the slightest signs of nute burn with them (even tho i think at one point i was feeding way too much N), oh and I gave a couple of doses of epsom salts throughout the grow, it seems to do a pretty good job tho, but i was thinking of trying canna when my bizz runs out, we'll have to compare notes ;)


your grow looks amazin hudson,your gonna be pink-eyed for a long time with those sugared up buds!! im well interested in the dwc bubbler the growth on that clone is unbelievable,ive heard the dwc pots are alot of work i.e. constanly topping up the water/nutes,has this been the case with your dwc and are they pretty straightforward to use ?:thumbsup:

p.s. you will be glad when you chop your buds to give some space to the bubblin beast lol

Thanks reefer, yeah i'm gonna have a very relaxed couple of months with my stash :S5:

I can imagine the dwc will get more work as it gets deeper into flower but upto now it's been much easier than soil IMO, it only takes about 15 mins to replace nutes in the res and ph it down, i do that once a week and i've just started topping up inbetween, no problems with it so far. :thumbsup:

Couple pics of the bud that unfortunately broke off ;) It's in my drying box now. :D

[tokr2153]

still lookin good but there is one thing i work do differently.............................. move the plants to my house!!!!!!! hahahahaha lol very good job and dont go breakin any more nugs off:thumbsup:

[tokr2153]

still lookin good but there is one thing i work do differently.............................. move the plants to my house!!!!!!! hahahahaha lol very good job and dont go breakin any more nugs off:thumbsup:

[dadogg]

Yo hudson wat up!!!! plants looking beautiful man.:thumbsup: Send me some.

[hudson88]

Ok everyone, i've chopped the smaller of the two widows :cool: Gonna harvest the other in a couple more days so i got more of a couch lock. Took me quite a while to trim it, it was sooo sticky by the end my fingers were literally sticking together as tho i'd got glue o them :D

You can see in the pic this one's got 3 decent sized cola's there is another smaller one hiding behind one of the big ones believe it or not, but I allowed the others to grow above it so it didn't receive a lot of light.

I like how one of the buds is bending the stem over in the pic, looks like it's coz it's soo heavy, but in all honesty i think the stems are a bit weak coz they stretched too much being too tightly packed at the start of flower. :wtf:

Don't worry for all you pervs there's some close up action too :pimp:

[hudson88]

Some more pics, another of a cola and one of the smaller buds below.

Oh and btw I had them in dark for 36 hours prior to cutting.

[jakezking]

Don't worry for all you pervs there's some close up action too :pimp:

Dude, you already got me figured out! There is no doubt from these pictures of where this strains name came, eh? Trichome City, bro! I am very rarely left speechless, but....

Simply outstanding, hud!

[painretreat]

Will anxiously await to hear about your method of curing! Looks like it is time for a mouse in the house, be careful--could get lots of company---good thing this is annonymous!

Look forward to smoke, smell, etc. report! :thumbsup:

[blazedtexas]

hey man how tall are they or where they before u harvested them? looking to growing some soon and that could really help me with my grow box. thanks!

[orion6324]

nice looking grow there man. my WW's are just about to poke through the rockwool so its still gonna me a while for mine but im anxiously awaiting a smoke,smell,effects report

[reef3er]

hi hudson hows it goin,hopefully you can give us some updates and pics on that awesome oxypot you got on the go :jointsmile:

[painretreat]

Any tuturial instructions along with your pix's are so appreciated. Your pix pretty much tell the story alone, you are doing such a fantastic job. The plants lookd very good to me! Even though I am not experienced with these, from my vege gardens in the past, is my comparison and they are easy compared to this.

Know these are so much harder to grow and so much more effort than other grows! Lots of little details a tomato doesn't need!

so, all your comments, instructions and pix are going here with a golden imprint! Thanks a lot!:hippy:

[hudson88]

Dude, you already got me figured out! There is no doubt from these pictures of where this strains name came, eh? Trichome City, bro! I am very rarely left speechless, but....

Simply outstanding, hud!

Yeah i'm happy with the frostiness :D Thanks king :thumbsup:


Will anxiously await to hear about your method of curing! Looks like it is time for a mouse in the house, be careful--could get lots of company---good thing this is annonymous!

Look forward to smoke, smell, etc. report! :thumbsup:

Hey pain, i've made a couple of alterations to my drying box, it was drying buds in around 4-5 days attached to the exhaust of the grow box, but the air was too warm (when lights are on) and it was hitting the buds too strongly. To correct the problem with the temps being too high i only attach the drying box to the exhaust when lights are off, temps are 70F, 22c with RH at 40% when lights come on i move the drying box next door where it just sits with the lid up to allow more airflow. The air flow's been decreased in a couple of ways, inside the box where the exhaust blows in i've stuck in some card with a few holes cut out so the air gets diffused ( i think thats the right word lol) instead of blowing through in one big stream and I cut a hole in the lid so not all the air circulates through the buds buts escapes through the top.

I changed my exhaust fan on thursday i did have a 100mm (4") RVK that i've only had for a few months but has started to become very noisy, think it's the bearings :mad: (I'm gonna send it back and ask for a replacement but figured i'd need another fan when i sent the RVK back) so while i was at the growshop getting some nutes i asked what fans they had, they guy asked about my setup and recommended a 100mm "Vents TT" fan, apparently it's a copy of a Soler and Palau fan, it pushes a bit more air than my RVK at full throttle but it also has a reduced speed too which runs at about 70% and seems better suited to my small tent, the RVK really sucked in the side of the tent. I was gonna get a speed controller for the rvk but when i looked into getting a decent one that was gonna cost me the same as the new fan $70 so i figure the new fan is the better option for now since i can't do without a fan while my RVK is getting repaired/replaced. Oh anyway what i was saying is that the lower speed the TT exhausts at provides less airflow for the drying box so should slow the process a bit more too lol :jointsmile:

I'm aiming for them to be dry in around 8-10 days then i can cure them in kilner jars for as long as the last till I get round to smoking them :smokebong:


hey man how tall are they or where they before u harvested them? looking to growing some soon and that could really help me with my grow box. thanks!

Hey Tex, they're around two and a half feet, i LST'd them early on and that helped keep the height managable even tho i got quite a bit more strech than i should coz i had them packed in too tight early on. No probs! ;)

Just a couple of pics, drying box inside and out and my new fan exhausting to the drying box alongside my old bulky RVK.

[Shovelhandle]

Nice dry and cure to complete your fine crop of dank herb, Bub!

Shov

[hudson88]

nice looking grow there man. my WW's are just about to poke through the rockwool so its still gonna me a while for mine but im anxiously awaiting a smoke,smell,effects report

Hey orion thanks for the compliment, your grow will pass quicker than you think, don't seem long since mine first went in the soil ;) I'll have to have a look around at some smoke reports i've not really done one before :confused: but there's still abit of time for it to cure before i can do a proper one.

First impressions of the bud i stole from it a couple days early is that it's sweet :D It's only had a quick dry (3 or 4 days i think) and no cure but it's still got that widow smell and taste which will only get better with a bit of time :) The high is pretty strong, a nice up high at first which mellows then has me day dreaming, finding it hard to concentrate ::rastasmoke::dance:upsidedow


hi hudson hows it goin,hopefully you can give us some updates and pics on that awesome oxypot you got on the go :jointsmile:

Hey reef3er, it's going good thanks :bigsmoke:

Right the oxypot lol i had a mini crisis with that the other day :(
It was getting too big in the tent and I had to find a way of getting it under control if i wanted to get anything else in the tent apart from just the oxy pot :what: so i decided i had to go with scrog, so i've built a screen out of some bits of timer and string, it measures 20"x12" and is 14" tall with 2.75"x2.25" holes. It was simple enough to build with the help of a jigsaw to cut the wood and a drill to make holes for the string and predrill where i was screwing it together (i split the first bit of wood i tried screwing and had to wait till the following day to go out and get the right sized drill :mad:) But when i had all the right bits i'd say it only took an hour!

The hard part was getting the screen onto the lady, imagine trying to squeeze J-Lo's ass into Keira Knightley's jeans and you might understand my problem. (Or you might get side tracked and just dream about ass for the next 10 mins like i've just done :D) Anyway it took me over an hour to get the screen on but there were some casualties, i think i broke about 4 tops in the process :sadcrying but it couldn't be helped, thing was crazy :eek: Reckon i've got about 14 of the 24 holes filled with shoots at the moment after about 2 weeks of 12/12, I know i probably won't fill any more gaps and i'm not utilizing the screen as effeciently as i should but my main reason for doing this was to keep it under control and i think it'll do that also i've learnt the importance of an even canopy and it should sort that problem for me too.



Any tuturial instructions along with your pix's are so appreciated. Your pix pretty much tell the story alone, you are doing such a fantastic job. The plants lookd very good to me! Even though I am not experienced with these, from my vege gardens in the past, is my comparison and they are easy compared to this.

Know these are so much harder to grow and so much more effort than other grows! Lots of little details a tomato doesn't need!

so, all your comments, instructions and pix are going here with a golden imprint! Thanks a lot!:hippy:

Glad you're enjoying the grow pain, i've tried giving as much info as i can without going over the top, although i do tend to ramble on at times :D Thanks for the kind words but i feel like i should have a disclaimer at this point lol

All the techniques, priciples and methods found within this grow log should in no way be taken as a correct method. Any juicy buds that may have been obtained in this grow in no way reflect that the author has any idea what the f*&k he's doing and is merely a lucky b@$tard The author accepts no responsibility should following any advice in this log result in the loss of your stinky buds :D

[hudson88]

Here's a pic of the simple scrog screen i knocked up.

I've got some lithium batteries for the camera and they last ages so that's why i'm posting so many pics :D

[Shovelhandle]

Hmmmm.....:stoned:

[painretreat]

Appreciate the pix of the scrog. Read all morning and didn't quite figure that to be what was being described, makes a great deal of sense now! :jointsmile:

[Giro2007]

Hudson those plants are great, i've really enjoyed watching this grow those widows are frosty! How many g's dry do u think you'll have?

[hudson88]

Nice dry and cure to complete your fine crop of dank herb, Bub!
Shov


Hmmmm.....:stoned:

Yeah that's the plan shov, it's been in there a couple of days now and i'm still a bit paranoid it's drying too fast, think for the next grow when hopefully i've had my fan replaced i'll get a cheap carbon filter and use them just to dry my buds in the garage where it's cooler, we'll see how these turn out first tho :D

Thanks for dropping by and helping me throughout the grow shov, much appreciated :thumbsup:


Appreciate the pix of the scrog. Read all morning and didn't quite figure that to be what was being described, makes a great deal of sense now! :jointsmile:

No problem, i'll try to get some pics up of the screen in place over the oxypot plant later, they've had a couple of days to adapt now and i've been able to make a couple of adjustments to get it looking something like i think a scrog should look lol

I kinda had the scrog forced on me with the problem with the crazy oxypot growth, but i'm glad it was forced on me, coz i'm pretty sure scrog is the way to go for me. ;) I don't for one moment think i'm gonna be pulling any big yields from it with this grow, but the lesson will pay for itself in a couple of grows i hope.

BTW there's probably loads of different ways of making scrog screens, i've seen them suspended from ceilings etc.


Hudson those plants are great, i've really enjoyed watching this grow those widows are frosty! How many g's dry do u think you'll have?

Hey Giro, been a while since i've seen you, hope you're well mate? I've really enjoyed this grow too, been some worries along the way and i lost a plant early to overwatering :i feel stupid: but now i'm within a couple of days of the finishing line overall i'm happy with how the grow's gone.

I'm not sure what dry yield i'll get, i'm crap at estimating, when you consider the small space and light i'm using and that white widow isn't a great yielder and i've made plenty of mistakes, so if I get between 2.5 and 3oz from the two ladies i'll be happy :)

[Puffzter]

Hi Hudson
I read through your whole thread here and I have to congratulate you on a job well done man, beautiful plants.
I started my own grow of 5 WW a while back and started to log it also here now, only had a grow log on another forum before but your thread and the great respons and information it has produced made me also start up one here.
We have a similar setup, I also grow in a tent from seeds but in Coco.
I am hoping for as nice plants as yours. :)

Cheers m8

[painretreat]

Waiting with quiet anticipation. Almost feel like I'm having a baby here and it is yours!:thumbsup: I am so enjoyin this thread and a couple others that have so much info. The books I bought, doesn't even come close to this info!

I know, it is easier to search this forum. so, am getting ink in printer and trying to find CD to hook it up ASAP, or go buy another one, dummie friendly! Thanks so much!

Puffster, put a signature for your gro, would love to look it up! :) All is appreciated, as you can see, by ALL! pr:hippy:

[Puffzter]

I cant put signature yet, need more posts for that to activate in my control panel. Post post post. :D
Anyway, here is a link welcome to drop by:
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/158828-5-white-widow-feminized-coco.html

I have an excel file in there that give day by day information about everything in my grow as well as pictures ofc.

Just hope it turns out as well as Hudsons here :D

Puffzter

[hudson88]

Hey thanks guys, it's good to know you've enjoyed the thread :thumbsup:

You'll be glad you started a log here puffzter, I think it's a real friendly place, there's quite a few real knowledgable growers who are only to willing to help out with any problems and loads of people the same as us with lots to learn.

Thanks Cann.com :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Here's a few pics of the scrog on the oxypot widow after a couple of days to recover, an upskirt showing the branching and a pic of the clone i put into flower after a weeks veg, she's looking pretty good, she'll of been in there 28 days tomorrow, soon passes when you're busy :D

[reef3er]

phuckin nora hudson the upskirt of that clone with only a weeks veg tells me she sure takes her vitamins lol,superb m8,luvvin it

[Puffzter]

Yeah glad I found this place.
Man, I have to say your flower room looks insane!
You should be really prowd of that accomplishment right there and if I make it half as good through my grow I'll be happy. :D

Had an episode last night but I think it is under control again now.

Puffzter

[hudson88]

phuckin nora hudson the upskirt of that clone with only a weeks veg tells me she sure takes her vitamins lol,superb m8,luvvin it

Hey reef, lol sorry to disappoint you but the clone in the bubbler had 2 weeks veg, the one that got vegged for a week is the small one in dirt ;)


Yeah glad I found this place.
Man, I have to say your flower room looks insane!
You should be really prowd of that accomplishment right there and if I make it half as good through my grow I'll be happy. :D

Had an episode last night but I think it is under control again now.

Puffzter

Cheers puffzter, yeah the pics inside the tent have changed a lot from the start of the grow with 5 seedlings in there, and now i'm using it as a dedicated flower room there's always gonna be some buds to look at in there :D Got a LOT of improvements to make tho, stuff like improving watering and feed technique, keeping the canopy even, lowering temps a little etc, i'm gonna be busy for a while yet before i can sit back, relax and let it run on auto :)

Your grows looking great, all the attention to detail with your record keepings really gonna pay off, i started keeping written notes a month ago about (mostly) everything that happens in the grow and it's a big help to look back at, i reckon your grows gonna be at least twice as good as mine ;)

Ok quick update, plant i cut the other day has had 4 days drying, reckon it's got 2 days left, still a little quicker than i'd like, but should be ok? I've just weighed it at a little over 2 oz's, it does seem pretty dry so i'm hoping it won't loose that much more??

Flushed the other widow, that'll be getting cut in 2-3 days :D

The small clone in flower's had it's bloom nutes upped to 3ml per litre.

The scrogged widow in the bubbler is still stretching, i'm fighting with it to keep the canopy level, so far i'm winning ;) I've had to crush a couple of stems to slow growth on some shoots and i'm cutting more leaves almost daily from under the screen as i pull the stems down further and above the screen's not much better, some budsites are getting shaded by fan leaves, which for the most part i've tried to tuck away but a couple i've had to cut, it seems to be handling it well and looks healthy but i am worried about prunning so much??

[hudson88]

Hey just a little update, the widow i cut is almost dry after 6 days, think i'll be weighing it later. The other is in its 36 hours of dark now and will be getting the chop tomorrow :D

Moved a few things around in there as i was taking a plant out, the light was pretty much as high as it could go and the bubbler was raised so the canopy was level. Since i lowered things, temps have gone down by a few degrees F ;) Started me thinking about other things i can do to improve the enviroment a little. Hmmmm

Few pics of the flower room yesterday before i took the mature widow out, a close up of a young scrog bud and one of the clone that had only a weeks veg. Let me know what you think about the scrog (or anything) as this is my first attempt so i'd appreciate any advice and comments.

[hydrocannabis]

verry nice bro.:thumbsup:

that scrog looks real good looking.:thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Beautiful m8. Just beautiful.
Seems my problems are solved now also so my widows are hopefully on their way to that state as well. :P

May I ask how many plants that is in your bud chamber?
And what is the space again.
I will have 5 WW's on 1*1m (about 3foot4 square) here so just trying to figure out how cramped it will become. hehe

Again, good job.

Puffzter

[hudson88]

verry nice bro.:thumbsup:

that scrog looks real good looking.:thumbsup:

Cheers hydro, just hoping i've judged the height right and I don't have to train them much more :stoned:


Beautiful m8. Just beautiful.
Seems my problems are solved now also so my widows are hopefully on their way to that state as well. :P

May I ask how many plants that is in your bud chamber?
And what is the space again.
I will have 5 WW's on 1*1m (about 3foot4 square) here so just trying to figure out how cramped it will become. hehe

Again, good job.

Puffzter

Good to hear you've sorted your problem puffzter.

There's 3 plants in the pic, upto a few weeks ago there was 4 in the tent. A clue to the size of the tent is in the thread title ;) You should be fine with 5 plants in your tent so long as you don't plan on growing trees :D

Take it easy :rastasmoke:

[Puffzter]

Damn!
Then I have to FEW in there, hehe.
But I will add more when I have new clones so I can harvest every month or so. Maybe some new seeds so I can get two strains growing. Hmmm. :)
Thanks for info and sorry for asking that stupid question

Puffzter

[hudson88]

Damn!
Then I have to FEW in there, hehe.
But I will add more when I have new clones so I can harvest every month or so. Maybe some new seeds so I can get two strains growing. Hmmm. :)
Thanks for info and sorry for asking that stupid question

Puffzter

How many you've got in your tent depends on how you're gonna grow them, one person could get 50+ plants in a 1x1m tent using SOG, but another might only have one in there if they're growing trees in dwc.

Since you've got 5 plants in there i'd give them a decent veg time and look into the possibility of doing some training to make them bushy to fill out that space.

A guy who i worked with used to say "there's no such thing as stupid questions only stupid answers" think you proved him wrong lol Only joking mate, i put it down to you burning a fatty, that's gonna be my excuse the next time i do or say something stupid :D

[Puffzter]

Hehe, yeah u see a lot of that here. :)
Well I am not Gonna sog or scrog them this time around since I really don't think that is a good idea with multiple plants from seeds. It should be clones.
Ill just let them grow as they please more or less I think and take actions when needed. I will make clones and build up a selection of one or two strains more as well I think while in process.
Your grow log is very very interesting for me since we grow the same strain in similar conditions. Thanks for keeping us so informed about your grow.

Puffzter

[hudson88]

Hehe, yeah u see a lot of that here. :)
Well I am not Gonna sog or scrog them this time around since I really don't think that is a good idea with multiple plants from seeds. It should be clones.
Ill just let them grow as they please more or less I think and take actions when needed. I will make clones and build up a selection of one or two strains more as well I think while in process.
Your grow log is very very interesting for me since we grow the same strain in similar conditions. Thanks for keeping us so informed about your grow.

Puffzter

Yeah thats a good point about sog or scrog from seed, sogs outta the question coz you've not got enough plants tho you could do a screen for each plant for scrog and raise the short ones to keep the canopy even (there's a couple of grows like that on here i think) but it's more work than i'd like to do ;)

You could look into LST, less messing than scrog and suitable when growing from seed or you could top it to get it to bush out a bit, don't get much easier than topping, one snip after about 4 or 5 nodes and you're done.

Good luck with the cloning, when the time comes you might wanna check out this thread

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/157397-cheap-easy-diy-cloner-what-do-results.html

Really simple and cheap to make, no worrying about rooting cubes drying out, great success rate, it's fast too, my clones root in 5-7 days. Defo worth $30 and an hour to cut some holes in a tuppaware box ;)

[Puffzter]

Thanks :)
I looked into cloning techniques quite a lot actually so I think that part will be ok. Thing is I just dont want a designated mom this time around as I only have 5 plants so I will take a clone or two from all and then use the clone from my best performer during flower as my future mom. I think that makes sence. At the same time I will raise some new plants from seeds as well to get two strains going.
That's the plan that is beginning to form in my head anyway. We'll see how it turns out IRL.

Puffzter

[HalfTwisted]

Hey, do you have a link to the light,filter & fan combo you got off of ebay? I looked until my eyes went crossed and couldn't find anything like that.

I'd like a 250w hps cooltube steup as well for my DR80 tent. :)

[hudson88]

Hey, do you have a link to the light,filter & fan combo you got off of ebay? I looked until my eyes went crossed and couldn't find anything like that.

I'd like a 250w hps cooltube steup as well for my DR80 tent. :)

Hey HT, it was from the UK site sorry :(

[hudson88]

OK the other plant has been :chainsaw: after 68 days of 12/12, here's a couple of pics before the chop, (sorry about the quality, should of adjusted the light setting or something :confused:) and some bud shots :D

[Puffzter]

Happy trimming and may your fingers be sticky. :thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Here's a few more bud shots and one of the bud hanging. There's a lot less space in the box than there was with the other plant :D It's got a different smell to it, very fruity smelling at the moment, looking forward to having a taste of this stuff in a few days :rastasmoke:

[Puffzter]

That's some pretty phat buds.
Would love to see weight of them dried.

[Shovelhandle]

Lovely white widow, Bub. I'd gladly toast a Bubblegum J to that!

Is WW an indica dom hybrid?

[hudson88]

That's some pretty phat buds.
Would love to see weight of them dried.

I'm gonna try and let these dry nice and slow so we'll both have to be patient for the dry yield ;) Just out of curiosity i weighed it wet straight after the chop, around 180g (6 1/2 oz) for the 5 main cola's, now i have to watch it shrink lol


Lovely white widow, Bub. I'd gladly toast a Bubblegum J to that!

Is WW an indica dom hybrid?

Cheers shov, yeah it's 60/40 indy dom according to what i've read, the one i chopped last week starts with a nice head high and then mellows to a light body stone, nice for a daytime smoke, but i'm hoping this ones gonna have more of a knockout punch :D

[Puffzter]

60/40 indica/sativa.
Most reports I read state a very clear difference in effect depending on how early or late they are harvested. Ranging from very trippy to heavy couchlock. Harvested on peak it is suposedly a very balanced and potent high.
Guess we will get a good smoke report here in some days. :)

Edit: There we go, lol we posted same minute me and Hudson.

[reef3er]

looking great hudson,ever had your saliva glands swell up so much it hurts.................thats wot mine are like checkin out they buds man :jointsmile:

[anbesol]

Have you tasted her yet?

[hudson88]

Edit: There we go, lol we posted same minute me and Hudson.

Beat ya to it mate ;) See your grows picking up now you got rid of the poison tent :thumbsup:


looking great hudson,ever had your saliva glands swell up so much it hurts.................thats wot mine are like checkin out they buds man :jointsmile:

Haha, yeah i know what you mean, mmmm i need munchies :D


Have you tasted her yet?

I quick dried a lower popcorn bud yesterday, this plant never had the frosty trich production of the other one, it's got a fruity smell and flavour at the moment, i'll have to wait a little longer to see if that changes any with time :wtf: It smoked smoothly and the high was pretty much how i was wanting it, head high to start and a relaxing body stone to follow, peaking after an hour and sticking me to where i was sat, gazing aimlessly at the tv thinking about taking a snooze in the middle of the day, i resisting the urge to sleep and another hour later i was left feeling fresh and able to carry on with the day :cool:

Think i'm gonna enjoy this weed :D

:rastasmoke:

[jakezking]

hud, that WW sounds like some good smoke, bro! You have really developed an incredible setup, and I will hopefully be able to use quite a bit of your setup in developing my own indoor grow plans. Thanks for all of the extremely detailed information and pictures, and thanks for sharing all of those amazing bud shots!

[hudson88]

hud, that WW sounds like some good smoke, bro! You have really developed an incredible setup, and I will hopefully be able to use quite a bit of your setup in developing my own indoor grow plans. Thanks for all of the extremely detailed information and pictures, and thanks for sharing all of those amazing bud shots!

Yeah i'm loving the widow :D Took some round to a mates house earlier, everyone was saying how strong and smelly it was :D Made up a story about who i'd got it from, but it felt really sweet knowing it was my shit :cool:

Thanks for the compliment on my setup, but as far as i'm concerned it's a work in progress, gotta try a few things and find out what works best for me in there, far from incredible, thanks all the same tho mate :thumbsup:

You're welcome to the info and pics, i can't say if it'll be a help or a hindrance tho lol I'm happy with the results and the knowledge i've aquired throughout this grow and i've thoroughly enjoyed it, hopefully a few people have enjoyed reading about it and some newcomers to the hobby may of learnt the odd thing too.

I look forward to following your indoor grow log when you get started JK, i don't know a thing about outdoor lol

I've already been showing pics of the widow clones in flower and documented my first attempt at scrog so i'm gonna run this grow log for a few more weeks until the widow clones are done. (around 5 weeks i think) But i'll keep the G13xSkunk out of this thread, i'll probably start a new one for them. :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Let me start by saying, i've not been this chlled out in ages :S5:

The first widow plant I chopped (well the 2nd actually if you count the sick wet plant that got harvested early, but i wanna forget about that one :D) has had about a weeks cure now and the smell and taste are really coming out, it stinks sooo bad :D Can't wait to try the other plant after a bit of a cure, buds are looking really full, it's pretty much dry now (been hanging for 7 days now), another day i think then i'll post up the final yield ;)

Ok so here's some pics of the little clone thats been flowering for 5 weeks, i think it's gonna give a pretty good yield judging by how it's looking now. I reckon i could get close to 9 oz outta the tent a SOG like this one, we'll see when this one's done, it's more outta curiosity, I don't like the idea of having so many plants, but it might work for doing a few alongside a scrog? Time will tell.

It's looking a little battered now, had a little bit of heat stress, couple of leaves have been burnt by the fan and there's some yellowing going on, not bad for 5 weeks into 12/12 tho, it's had no veg nutes, it went into flower after only a week, i'm feeding it 4ml per litre biobizz bloom, i may add a little veg nutes next watering if the yellowing progesses too quickly.

[hudson88]

Here's some shots of the scrogged dwc widow.

I've had a few problems with this one, as you can see it's bursting outta the screen :wtf: I've done my best to keep it level and fill as much of the screen as possible, i'm just gonna let it do it's thing now, just remove any leaves that are shading buds. I think it's looking like it needs a trim, what do you think?

Also the res temp has been getting very high, it hit 27C at one point, roots are smelling a bit and looking pretty dirty in places, tho other parts are still white???? Ph has been dropping dramatically as a result of the root problem and i've been having to raise it almost daily. I've had it out tonight, changed the res for some nice cold water and i'm adding a litre bottle of frozen water to the res too each day at lights on, seems to be keeping it reasonably cool for a few hours. I'm putting cannazyme and rhizotonic into the res with the bloom ferts so hopefully that'll help too. Any other ideas of anything i can do?

Here's the pics, love the trichs on the last one :D

Oh and in the 2nd pic you can see some yellowing on the leaves around a couple of the buds, any ideas what that is? I'm thinking maybe a nute lockout caused by the ph dropping quickly?

[Puffzter]

I wanna lick your lady. (no offence) :jointsmile:

[InTheTrees]

Wow very good job hudson! :rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Im growing White dwarfs (wwXlr2 i think?) there in the mail now, can't wait to start my first grow! Maybe you'll stop by in my soon-to-be-log and give me some of your advice, for i am growing in a home box xs 2x2x4 with a 250w hps/mh.. Going to be very interesting/fun/great smoke and lots of knowledge! :rasta:

[hudson88]

I wanna lick your lady. (no offence) :jointsmile:

LOL none taken ;)


Wow very good job hudson! :rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Im growing White dwarfs (wwXlr2 i think?) there in the mail now, can't wait to start my first grow! Maybe you'll stop by in my soon-to-be-log and give me some of your advice, for i am growing in a home box xs 2x2x4 with a 250w hps/mh.. Going to be very interesting/fun/great smoke and lots of knowledge! :rasta:

Good luck with your grow ITT, i'd be happy to help, as are most of the folk on here :cool: I'll keep a look out for your log ;)

Update

Checked on the drying widow and after 7 days it's done, all the stems break with a nice crunching sound :) tried to do it a little slower but it's been very hot here the last few days.

Pretty much all the trimming has already been done, I took off all the big leaves when i cut it down and gave them a closer trim after about 4 days, there's just the odd bit here and there that needs tidying up a little. I've left the colas on the stems and some of the smaller buds have a little bit of stem but it's been trimmed to a minimum, just enough to pick it up by so i'm not having to handle the buds more than i have to.

Soooo the dry weight is bang on 50g (1 and 3/4 oz) :dance: Chuffed with that :D

My scales are accurate to 0.1g so i was a little surprised it was 50.0, i was thinking about taking a bit off so it didn't look so suspicious lol Anyway here's the proof :D

And a pic of the top of a cola. I did take some more pics but i was having trouble with the lighting again, i'll take some more later or tomorrow :rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

Had the buds out for another look :D

Here's some pics.

[hudson88]

Couple of close ups and one of my stash, there's about a half oz of the first plant in there too.

:jumphappy:

[Puffzter]

So 50gram/plant is the target. Soil vs Coco the race is on. :D
I switch to 12/12 in about 10-12 days, getting my clones in 4-6 days and then they will have a few days to recover until we start the race for 51g+/plant hehe.

How has the last week been? Back on earth again?

Puffzter

[hudson88]

So 50gram/plant is the target. Soil vs Coco the race is on. :D
I switch to 12/12 in about 10-12 days, getting my clones in 4-6 days and then they will have a few days to recover until we start the race for 51g+/plant hehe.

How has the last week been? Back on earth again?

Puffzter

Hey, so it's a challenge eh? Ok but i'd better warn you i'm planning on smashing the 50gram/plant with my dwc scrogged widow, ding ding round 2 ;)

Here she is :D

[Puffzter]

Cheater :P

I feed mine fertilizers not hamburgers.

[jakezking]

hud, it looks like your fingers will be sticky white for awhile to come. Those WWs are really quite tantalizing. They photograph beautifully, but I bet they smoke even better. Your SCROG'd WW is AMAZING, dude! I mean, she truly looks fantastic! I can't wait to see how she turns out. Keep up the outstanding work, my friend!

[hudson88]

Been a little while since the last update, I've been wrecked :D

Things in the flower room are running along nicely, temps have dropped and have been peaking at 82F :cool:

The ph of the bubbler is still dropping but not as quickly as it was, the temps have come down and i've been adding ice to the res so i think i'm just about managing to control the little bit of root rot i've got. The wild ph fluctuations has caused a bit of leaf damage but nothing serious. I think this ones got about 2 weeks to go. ;)

The little clone is close to the chop now, i need to check trichs, maybe i'll do that later :jointsmile: I've not really noticed i've been growing this one, the scrogged bubbler has been a lot of work, it's heavy and awkward lifting it in and out of the grow tent ( i guess i could do a res change in the tent but i like to give it a proper rinse out, especially since i've had a bit of rot) and there's been a lot of trimming, but this little lady is easy to move around, doesn't need watering very often and hasn't been trimmed at all. I'd be really tempted to do a SOG if it wasn't so worried about the increased number of plants :mad:


hud, it looks like your fingers will be sticky white for awhile to come. Those WWs are really quite tantalizing. They photograph beautifully, but I bet they smoke even better. Your SCROG'd WW is AMAZING, dude! I mean, she truly looks fantastic! I can't wait to see how she turns out. Keep up the outstanding work, my friend!

Hey JK,

Yeah i've got little sticky hash marks all over the place, camera, remote control, puter lol They've had a couple weeks cure now and I think it's a really nice smoke, there was a big difference in how the two plants smoked tho, which surprised me.

Thanks for the compliments on the scrogged ww, crazy when you think it only got 2 weeks of veg! I'm really looking forward to smoking this one, it's a clone of the first plant i harvested that was more indica dom and had that real strong ww taste and strength, this one's stinkin loads stronger tho and i only have to brush against it and i get covered in sticky resin :D


Here's some pics, first three are of the scrogged WW clone, next couple of the little clone.

[Puffzter]

Welcome back m8.
It is truly awesome buds you've got there. I cant wait to see the scale reading from that plant alone dried. The clone will be interesting as well. I mean those size plants can be stacked 25 on a square metre I think so if it yeilds 20-30 grams dry it will be well a really nice SoG project.
I have a 25 plant cloner inbound as well as an 8 plant bubbler system in stand alone 29 litre buckets so I think I will stick to large plants for now but I would surelly like to do a really dense small pots SoG at some point for reference. Then the 25 plant cloner will come in handy for sure.

And keep shooting pictures of your beautiful plants man. <3

Puffzter

[hudson88]

Hey cheers puffzter, good to be back, well i've not really been away keep popping in and looking around just been too blazed to post :rastasmoke:

Gotta say your grows looking great btw, they've really grown a lot lately, got some beasts on your hands there :thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing your new setup :thumbsup:

Well i wasn't gonna start talking about yields but since you've brought the subject up i gotta confess i am thinking about it :) The two plants i harvested got me a total of 3oz and that was from half the space of the dr60 so 2 sq ft, so i'm hoping the scrogged ww (also using 2 sq ft) is gonna get me around 3 oz ;) (this is a clone of the lower yielding widow 1.25 oz) There's 20 buds on the scrog so i need to average 4.2g a bud, no idea how close i'll get on this first run but thats the target.

As for the SOG, my dr60 would fit 9 x 6.5 litre pots (same as the small clone is in now) 30g per plant gets me above 1g a watt, that sounds like a doable challenge! I'm not gonna get close to that with the little un, maybe 15-20g but with 2 weeks veg instead of 1 i'm sure i'd be a lot closer ;)

[Puffzter]

My thought exactly. And don't worry. If u don't get 3 Oz out of that one I will be really surprised.
Your grow is what is driving me to make things as well as possible here. I use what you have learned and shared and add a bit of my own. That combined with coco which is an increadible medium to grow in makes me stubbornly holding on to the belief I can get .5g/W in this WW grow out of 5 big plants. Some day when I have the setup as I want it and have gotten better instincts through the information I am gathering myself and from you guys I will set up a grow solely to get that illusive (.5g/W)/month. That will take either 8 plants averaging 80g or a 20-25 SoG for 25-30g/plant.
I have clones from all my WWs now so as soon as I know how they turn out quality and yield wise I will decide which one will be mother for that project.
Thanks again for your log man, it is a big source of inspiration and knowledge to me.

[painretreat]

Thanks for the discussing of output! Tells me how much I need to grow!! pr:hippy:

[hydrocannabis]

looking ab fab.:thumbsup: :stoned::stoned::stoned:

[hudson88]

My thought exactly. And don't worry. If u don't get 3 Oz out of that one I will be really surprised.
Your grow is what is driving me to make things as well as possible here. I use what you have learned and shared and add a bit of my own. That combined with coco which is an increadible medium to grow in makes me stubbornly holding on to the belief I can get .5g/W in this WW grow out of 5 big plants. Some day when I have the setup as I want it and have gotten better instincts through the information I am gathering myself and from you guys I will set up a grow solely to get that illusive (.5g/W)/month. That will take either 8 plants averaging 80g or a 20-25 SoG for 25-30g/plant.
I have clones from all my WWs now so as soon as I know how they turn out quality and yield wise I will decide which one will be mother for that project.
Thanks again for your log man, it is a big source of inspiration and knowledge to me.

Glad you found some help in the log mate, sharing's what it's all about ;)

I'm sure you'll smash 0.5g/w with this grow, think i came in at 0.67g/w for the two widows when taking into account only half the space was used, which i'm more than happy with :D

I've chopped and dried the small clone that only had a weeks veg and it weighed in at just over 15g, just about what i was expecting. The buds are really nice :rastasmoke: good smell and really dense, can't wait till they've had a bit of a cure.

The DWC clone has been flowering for 58 days and is only a couple of days from the chop, it's been on plain water for nearly a week. I'm anxious to find out the weight of this one, it's really difficult for me to guess, i cut one of the colas a couple of days ago which is drying now and i think it's gonna be about 4g dry so i'm hoping i'll get around the 3oz i estimated a couple of weeks ago. I've had a few problems with this one (scrog was late going on so i stressed and probably hindered flowering, res temps got too high and caused probs with ph) so whatever the final yield i'm confident i'll be able to improve a lot over the next couple of runs.



Thanks for the discussing of output! Tells me how much I need to grow!! pr:hippy:

Glad to be of help :thumbsup:


looking ab fab.:thumbsup: :stoned::stoned::stoned:

Thank you, thank you. :D

I'll get some pics of the DWC widow up in the next couple of days, before the chop.

[Puffzter]

I am really looking forward to the chop, yeild and smoke report of that monster WW man. :)

Nice to see you post again by the way.

Puffzter

[hudson88]

The DWC widows been flowering for 60 days, i checked trichs and they're mostly cloudy so it's :chainsaw: time people :D

It's filled my drying box so i'm gonna have to find somewhere else for the rest of it :D

Here's a few pics before the chop.

[jchap]

not long left bro. nice job

man it's so dry in the uk at the mo

[hudson88]

Some bud shots!

:rastasmoke:

[hudson88]

And a few pics after the chop.

1st one showing the remains after i'd cut it right down, the branching was crazy :D

Then a couple showing the roots, you can see some discolouration at the top of the roots but i managed to nurse her through to harvest even tho the roots got too warm at times.

Last one, the small budlets that grew underneath the canopy, i'm amazed how dense they are, think i'm gonna have a try at making some hash with this and some close trim, the bigger leaves i've added to some other trim that i'll use for making cannabutter ;)

Ok i'm gonna take a break now, i'll be back later with some bud shots :rastasmoke:

Oh and btw I've weighed it out wet to give me an idea of final yield, after a quick trim and not counting the small budlets it's come in at ................397grams, so as a rough guide my final dry weight should be around 1/5th of that, just about on target for 3oz :D

[Puffzter]

Is that 60 days from start of 12/12 or from you saw first flowering?

Puffzter

[hudson88]

Here's some of the buds.

Laid a few out on the table alongside a lighter for scale.

[hudson88]

Is that 60 days from start of 12/12 or from you saw first flowering?

Puffzter

60 days from the start of 12/12 :rastasmoke:

[hydrocannabis]

dammmmmmm that sheet looks ab fab all the way. yumm yumm.

[dooobster]

Nice lookin buds there hud... Great job :D

[jakezking]

Sweet goodness! That WW turned out RIGHTEOUS, my friend! Those buds are incredible! Sorry for all the jumpin' around with hootin' and hollerin', but I am thoroughly impressed. I'm glad to see your roots looking to be in such good shape following your scares with the reservoir temps. It doesn't look like she suffered any ill effects whatsoever!

Cheers on another fantastic grow, my friend! What are your plans for your next grow?

[hudson88]

dammmmmmm that sheet looks ab fab all the way. yumm yumm.

Thanks hydro, it smells great too, a little too good think i'm gonna have to get another carbon filter for drying :jointsmile:


Nice lookin buds there hud... Great job :D

Thanks very much doob :D


Sweet goodness! That WW turned out RIGHTEOUS, my friend! Those buds are incredible! Sorry for all the jumpin' around with hootin' and hollerin', but I am thoroughly impressed. I'm glad to see your roots looking to be in such good shape following your scares with the reservoir temps. It doesn't look like she suffered any ill effects whatsoever!

Cheers on another fantastic grow, my friend! What are your plans for your next grow?

Cheers JK, i'm really happy with the WW grow, out of the 5 females I've flowered there was only one that i was disappointed with, i overwatered it badly and it suffered root rot, (hopefully i've learnt my lesson and that won't happen again) tried to get her back to good health but i had to chop it a couple of weeks early. The other 4 yeilded 1 and 3/4 oz, 1 and 1/4 oz, 1/2 oz (that was the little clone sog experiment) and this one should weigh in around 3 oz. I can get the scrogged DWC and 2 soil plants in my tent so I'm able to get 6 oz every 8 weeks outta my 2ft x2ft space under a 250 hps, that'll do nicely............... for now ;)

I've got a G13xSkunk in flower now, (in there for about 4 weeks) i cracked 3 seeds but only got the one female and she's gotten very tall, looks very sativa dom which i find surprising, i thought g13 and skunk were both mainly indica??? Anyway i've took a cutting from her and cracked a couple more seeds. I'm gonna get a WW clone in flower along with the G13 (both in soil) then i think i'm gonna pop one of the seeds in DWC and pray it's a girl so i can scrog it :cool: I'm gonna treat this as another practice/mum finding grow, then when the weather gets cooler and i've got some nice clones i'm gonna see how close to 8 oz i can get! :rastasmoke:

[vej33]

I had been looking for a grow to read from beginning to end, this was an incredible inspiration, Hudson. I hope in a few years when I'm in the right situation, I can have as successful a grow as you.

Standing ovation, friend :)

[painretreat]

This definitely should be a scratch and sniff log!! Interesting and informative!

Really appreciate all the pictures of the roots, and plant after cutting. That plant looked like it was restarting another grow. Do people do that? Or do you figure it is spent?

8 oz. !! Will be awaiting.

Tried the scratch and all i could smell was the lighter! lol!

You convinced me, hydro is not for me. If I had to lift a heavy drip pan of water,(not to mention the tight space to work in) I couldn't grow enough to get the back spasm's to stop!!! Will con't reading, maybe one day. . .! Thanks again! PR :thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Really, Really, Really nice buds Hudson:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Looks like you got some good genetics there Where did you get them from?

JG

[hudson88]

I had been looking for a grow to read from beginning to end, this was an incredible inspiration, Hudson. I hope in a few years when I'm in the right situation, I can have as successful a grow as you.

Standing ovation, friend :)

Good to know you enjoyed the log vej, thank you and i'm sure when you start growing you'll be more than happy with your results. You've already got a head start on me finding cann.com and doing your research before you start, i jumped in knowing very little and had mixed results, finally i'm starting to feel a little more comfortable with growing and it's getting more and more enjoyable the more i learn.


This definitely should be a scratch and sniff log!! Interesting and informative!

Really appreciate all the pictures of the roots, and plant after cutting. That plant looked like it was restarting another grow. Do people do that? Or do you figure it is spent?

8 oz. !! Will be awaiting.

Tried the scratch and all i could smell was the lighter! lol!

You convinced me, hydro is not for me. If I had to lift a heavy drip pan of water,(not to mention the tight space to work in) I couldn't grow enough to get the back spasm's to stop!!! Will con't reading, maybe one day. . .! Thanks again! PR :thumbsup:

Hey pain, thanks for the kind words :) Hope I got the balance of information right, tried to put in as much of what i was thinking and what was worrying me about the grow without it becoming too long and confusing.:rastasmoke:

As for it restarting another grow, it's already in the bin but thats something i should of tried :( I had a go with one recently but screwed it up, think i hacked it down too much. I believe it's Rusty Trich who has a thread on revegging that i read a couple of months ago. well worth a read ;)

Interesting point about the space and weight problems of the dwc scrog, it was a struggle at times, i generally had about 15l or 3 gallons of water in it so it's pretty heavy awkward with a cumbersome scrog to manovre too. When the flower room was full i'd have to move the other plants out first, then squeeze the scrog out carefully and take it to the bathroom to have a res change, there were a couple of times when i nearly snapped the plant at the base lol thankfully i got away with it. Having said that i reckon i don't really need to take it out of the flower room, my dwc bucket has an emptying tube on it, so if i can drain it in the tent. (Which is what i started doing after the near death experience :D) Until then i liked taking it out to inspect it properly, look at the roots take pics etc. I guess it comes down to your setup and how easy or difficult it is to get water to your grow room. LOL thats funny about the back spasms, well not really but i think you know what i mean.

You must be scratchin in the wrong place if you can smell a lighter, you wanna borrow my specs :cool: :rastasmoke:


Really, Really, Really nice buds Hudson:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Looks like you got some good genetics there Where did you get them from?

JG

Hey JG, thanks for stopping by and the comments on the buds :D I've worked out how to grow sticky stinky buds, now i gotta see if i can get them to grow into HUUUGE MONSTERS like you! :D

I got the seeds from my local hydro store, the seedbanks "high quality seeds" not sure if they're stocked in the US or just over here in europe. I've been happy with them, 3/5 females, got two different pheno's both stayed managable and produced nice bud, the lower yielder was very strong, smelled and tasted just like WW should, the other yielded around 40% more but was moderate in strength and has a citrus smell and taste. :rastasmoke:

[PlainJane]

Just wanted to say that this is such an inspiring and helpful thread. I am germinating some feminised WW seeds right now (first grow ever) and this thread has got me all excited and hopeful! :D

[Shovelhandle]

hey, man. good harvest hey? Congrats!