New member. First time grow. Bagseed. CFL.

[Kbrandon]

Hi im Brandon u can call me Brandon... this is what i smoke on the daily..

in the 3rd pic.. from left to right... orange krush.. potter valley kush.. mendo purps.

[Kbrandon]

And here is some pics of my cab..

specs - 1 100 watt cfl with 2000 lumens for flowering

1 pc fan for ventilation....

pic 1... Outter view of the drawer.. looks like a normal drawer right?

pic 2... just a pic of the timer set on 12/12 on at 6am off at 6pm that way light leaks cant be seen... this is a stealth grow.

pic 3... just a pic of the inside with the pot and the light... i got it on books to get it closer to the light.. i can also adjust light height...its on an extension cord through a hook.

pic 4.... pic of the light traps over the fan and ventilation holes...

pic 5.... pic with dummy drawer removed to show the secred operation...

[Kbrandon]

i got maybe 3 or 4 seeds in there... all of them are some kind of dody... but one of them i got from what i believed to be some hot pink sativa. so im payin close attention to that seed.

[jackforest]

Start with 18/6 or straight 24 hour light schedule. You may risk detection of your housemates/parents but youre seedling will need the hours. No less than 6 hours of dark before flowering.

Consider getting a couple more cfls in there and start looking into topping and LSTing for space efficiency. Im assuming you are using an 100watt equivalence cfl. Watts mean nothing, its the lumens per square foot ratio thats important. Take a look in the indoor lighting forum section. There should be a sticky worth take a gaze at.

Read the forums and you will be able to avoid problems early on.

Welcome Brandon,

- Jack

[Kbrandon]

that bulb i got is 2000 lumens is that good for 1 plant?

[Kbrandon]

i came home from work and checked out my plant....

no sprout yet.. but i moved some soil around and the seed has germinated... so hopefully there will be a sprout by tonight..,..

btw i think im gonna stick with 12/12 cycle from seed and buy like 1 more cfl.

[stinkyattic]

Does that pot have drainage? Can you cover it with duct tape so it is not clear any more?

I'd recommend sticking to 24/0 or at least 18/6 light until it shows sexual maturity.

[jackforest]

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/140735-answers-about-cfl-hps-how-much-light.html

This thread should answer your questions about lighting. It would be wise to take stinkyattic's as well as my advice about switching to 24 hour or 18/6. 12/12 is for flowering.

[Kbrandon]

no the pot doesnt have drainage.... the top is completely air sealed with one of those bags u get from the grocery store that u put fruit in... but when it sprouts im gonna put it in a better potting set up.

as far as lights im gonna stick with my warm 100 watt cfl and my cool 100 watt cfl on 12/12 cycle... im gonna go buy a light splitter so i can put both bulbs in.

i just checked the soil and it looks like its about to sprout but i think the seed was in the soil weird cause ut looks like the st. louis arch commin out the soil.... i dont know if i should help it out cause one of the sides has a couple leaves on it...

[jackforest]

Yeah, drainage is important.

Patience with the seedling is key. You want to avoid disturbing it as much as possible. Touching the germinating seed will only hurt it.

[Kbrandon]

seed sprouted...

hope its a girll....

will take pics later...

rite now this kush got me tho.

[Kbrandon]

Here are some pics of the seed.. and inside and outside of the box...

[Kbrandon]

okay i still got my sprout and it has 2 leavs plus 2 itty bitty leavs in the center...

but the 2 big leavs that it gets when it first sprouts they are starting to droop down on the ends....

but the seedling is still healthy green tho.. and it doesnt seem dehydrated or anything.

[BIGFattie]

ye dont worry, those leaves will eventually fall off neways.:thumbsup: all ze best

[Kbrandon]

k thanks for the advice cause i thot it was dying...

also i might have another sprout....

i noticed the seeds germinate when u take some tweezers and crack them in the most oval way possible and then stik it in the soil with the pointy side down.. actually i dont think it really matter which way u put it in..

[dadank54]

Looks pretty stealth Brandon, nice :thumbsup:

Two things:
1) Are you checking the temperatures inside the cabinet? With 2 CFLs, no fan, and only one hole, I imagine it might be too hot for the plants and causing stress. Ventilation is definitely necessary for the plants. They take in CO2 and convert it to oxygen. If there isn't enough ventilation, it can stunt your plant growth. I guess by opening the cabinet door each day during the 12-on hours, this can help. But I'd still be concerned about temps.
2) Since you're starting from 12/12, is the cabinet lightproof? The hole in the back there seems like it might be a problem.

Good luck!

[Kbrandon]

well the temp in the house never drops below about 69 degrees so i say its about 70 degrees in there all day...

and in the pics u dont see the 2 holes i have in the bak... one has a pc fan on it on the upper right corner...

then i got one in the bottom left corner for ventilation and so i can put the wires through....

and the cabinet is about 98% light proof... still a few leaks.. and the holes on the bak have light traps so not too much light escapes from the bak....

chek out the frist set of pictures i posted of my set up at the top of this page... pic 4 and 5 show light traps and 5 shows the ventilation in the bak with the pc fan in one of the holes.

[Kbrandon]

and im thinking about buying a mini fan to blow on the stems but i stealth is the key and that may be to loud.... it seems to be growing fine 4 now.. i shuld take sum pics.

[TomStoner]

as far as lights im gonna stick with my warm 100 watt cfl and my cool 100 watt cfl on 12/12 cycle... im gonna go buy a light splitter so i can put both bulbs in.This will get less than a cone full per plant, 18/6 is the minimum time of light for vegging plants and your wattage is woefully inadequate, you also need good ventilation.

:cool:

[Kbrandon]

here some more pics this is like day 3 since it sprouted on 12/12 cycle...

i didnt take anymore pics of the cfls but now i have 2 cfls in there.. 1 warm 100 watter from the red package, and 1 daylight 100 watt from the blue package.

here are some pics of baby bella... (name my cuzzo gave it)...

i think the strain is from a bag of hot pink sativa but ill have to wait and see but i know its from some dank otherwise i wouldnt have save the seed.

as far as the last guy talkin bout im gonna only get a cone worth... lmao.. i think ill get about 2 ounces i got one other seed to germinate so hopefully both are girls and i get an ounce from each.

[dadank54]

I agree with Tom: you're probably not going to get as much bud as you think you are. This is because you aren't going to give your plants enough time to grow before it'll be time to harvest. If you get two ounces from two plants starting at 12/12, that'll be a miracle.

Not trying to crap on your grow, it looks like a great setup! I would reconsider the 12/12 right now. If you're in a hurry, let them grow on 24/0 or 18/6 for 3 weeks, then put on 12/12. You'll get a MUCH bigger yield.

Good luck!

[Kbrandon]

u guys i dont really care about yield...

i just dont wanna get caught... and if the light was on 24 hours 'id get caught cause my setup has light leaks... so yea... and ill say it again.. outdoor plants would get 12/12 so whuts the big deal..

[TomStoner]

so whuts the big deal..You will find out for yourself in a few weeks.

:cool:

[dadank54]

u guys i dont really care about yield...

i just dont wanna get caught... and if the light was on 24 hours 'id get caught cause my setup has light leaks... so yea... and ill say it again.. outdoor plants would get 12/12 so whuts the big deal..


Completely understandable. That's smart thinking. Getting caught is the pits. I just don't want you to be really disappointed when it comes time to harvest and you don't have nearly as much as you're expecting.

However...as long as you don't get caught, you can always do more grows :rasta:

[Kbrandon]

okay how bout this...

i keep 12/12 and up my lights by buying 2 more cfls...

right now i have 3600 lumens in there if i get 2 more ill have 7200 lumens... that should be good right?

but im not gonna put the other lights in for another couple weeks maybe when it gets more leavs.,

watchu guys think?

[Kbrandon]

I just looked inside and baby bella was lookin sexy so i took a pic...

her first leavs are starting to fill out... and the stem seems like its getting stiffer and stronger too...

[dadank54]

u guys i dont really care about yield...

i just dont wanna get caught... and if the light was on 24 hours 'id get caught cause my setup has light leaks... so yea... and ill say it again.. outdoor plants would get 12/12 so whuts the big deal..

Since stealth is a priority for you (and you're saying your only option is to do 12/12) I'd say go for it.

The worst that can happen is it doesn't yield hardly anything :) You can always try again; you'll only have lost a few weeks time

Sending good luck to you!

[AllforMe]

Just my opinion, but if you have light leaks out that worry you about being caught,....then those same light leaks will cause light from your room to enter during the dark period, causing weird growth, and stressing the heck out of your plants..(which the 12/12 from seed will also do before it is mature..) Your best bet, seriously, is to do your best to fix the light leaks with gorilla tape, weather stripping, anything, and switch to 18/6. Otherwise the risk might be not worth it. You may yeild nothing but hermies, and then very little, weak, seedy bud. If you like the good stuff then why go thru all this trouble just to mess up the most important part of indoor growing...the light schedule? To each his own but many many people have stealth grows that remain un-detected done right. Also, if you are that paranoid about detection, then how are you going to control odor? I have had vegging plants smell like crazy, so what are you going to do when the pungent odor of a flowering plant wafts out of your exhaust and those light leaks? Strategic placement of clutter can help those light leaks also. Why not have the lights come on at 12 so they're on when you are asleep, and nobody is bothering you?

[Kbrandon]

What am i ... a talking parot?

i feel like i keep repeating myself..

im not switching to 18/6... so yea...

everybody just kick back roll a blunt or a joint then check out my grow... and if i ask for an opinion then offer it...

if u think i could do somethin better im open to suggestions but dont keep harping on the subject if i say no.

[dadank54]

Brandon, you've got people trying to help you. You WERE asking for opinions, now you don't want them?

I hear you: you're going to stick with 12/12. I'd say go for it, and good luck! :thumbsup: I'm gonna keep my eye on the thread and hope to see some good progress!

[jackforest]

Si, continue with the 12/12. I'd like to see how long it lasts you.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you kid.

-Jack

[Kbrandon]

Should i piss in a bottle and mix it with water and use it as nutrients cause thats what my cuzin does on his plants because he said it has nutrients in it.

BTW he grew in a pc case using just a couple cfl's and he even fucked up the light schedule sometimes he would have them on 12 12 and sumtimes on 24 hours... and it was the dankest bud i ever smoked....

here are sum pics of his grow...(NOT OF MY GROW!)

[Kbrandon]

he grew that plant in his dorm... and he got about a half ounce at harvest....

so i know what a couple cfl's are capapable of...

[AllforMe]

What am i ... a talking parot?

i feel like i keep repeating myself..

im not switching to 18/6... so yea...

everybody just kick back roll a blunt or a joint then check out my grow... and if i ask for an opinion then offer it...

if u think i could do somethin better im open to suggestions but dont keep harping on the subject if i say no.

Didn't i just give you a few things better? What about smell? Again I say that you could shore up your light leaks and properly light the plants. I'd say you are either growing in your parent's home...(NOT COOL..by the way!) or in a dorm room if you are that scared to get caught, and if a few light leaks from your nightstand would give you away that easily. If those light leaks will give you away, then the smell of the flowering plants won't right? Don't think some air freshener will help that...and they'll smell ALL DAY!! For a stealth grow to work properly, it needs to be completely sealed, with odor protection. You seem to have neither. You may end up getting caught unless you seal up that cab, which, in turn, will ALLOW you to PROPERLY light that plant! Also, I bet with 12-12 from seed that stress makes that a male. Again, I am trying to help you, not rag on your setup. You either posted this setup to...A.get help, which I am doing. OR, B. to gloat about what you deem a slick setup, which I hope not because I could easily take that nice cab and make it work properly for very little $$. Why do something this risky, half-ass it, and risk very little or no reward? It's just plain common sense. 10$ worth of weatherstripping and tape and maybe a pc fan with a fish tank fliter filled with active carbon taped over it ..another 10-20$ and you now have a WAY better setup...or you can continue to be stubborn and not take our advice, your choice dude! All I'm saying is that everything I know I got from books written by people who know more than me, and from advice on here, also from people who know more than me. I took all that advice, because......they had a better way. I didn't necessarily wanted to destroy things I set up to change them, but I'm glad I did because now my setup works better!! Good luck whichever way you go man:rastasmoke:

[phatsesh101]

this will be interesting

[Kbrandon]

Didn't i just give you a few things better? What about smell? Again I say that you could shore up your light leaks and properly light the plants. I'd say you are either growing in your parent's home...(NOT COOL..by the way!) or in a dorm room if you are that scared to get caught, and if a few light leaks from your nightstand would give you away that easily. If those light leaks will give you away, then the smell of the flowering plants won't right? Don't think some air freshener will help that...and they'll smell ALL DAY!! For a stealth grow to work properly, it needs to be completely sealed, with odor protection. You seem to have neither. You may end up getting caught unless you seal up that cab, which, in turn, will ALLOW you to PROPERLY light that plant! Also, I bet with 12-12 from seed that stress makes that a male. Again, I am trying to help you, not rag on your setup. You either posted this setup to...A.get help, which I am doing. OR, B. to gloat about what you deem a slick setup, which I hope not because I could easily take that nice cab and make it work properly for very little $$. Why do something this risky, half-ass it, and risk very little or no reward? It's just plain common sense. 10$ worth of weatherstripping and tape and maybe a pc fan with a fish tank fliter filled with active carbon taped over it ..another 10-20$ and you now have a WAY better setup...or you can continue to be stubborn and not take our advice, your choice dude! All I'm saying is that everything I know I got from books written by people who know more than me, and from advice on here, also from people who know more than me. I took all that advice, because......they had a better way. I didn't necessarily wanted to destroy things I set up to change them, but I'm glad I did because now my setup works better!! Good luck whichever way you go man:rastasmoke:


1. after typing alllllll that do u feel better?

2. I did make this thread more to share pics and document my grow than to get advice.........suggestions are welcomed but dont w8st ur time forcing an opinion on me.

3 Not worried about the smell.. my room smells like weed all the time.

4. Even if i buy some weather strip it'll help the light leaks but it wouldnt cover them 100%... and i need 15000% lightproof if im gonna run 24/0 or 18/6...


5. Why would u jinx my plant like that???

6. wat im gonna do is add 2 more warm cfl's to boost the lumens up to like 9000 to 10000k and continue the 12/12 cycle...but i got to see how my stocks do this week first...

[Kbrandon]

check out http://forum.grasscity.com/grow-journals/109446-cutlass-s-new-speaker-box-cfl-grow.html]this. (http://forum.grasscity.com/grow-journals/109446-cutlass-s-new-speaker-box-cfl-grow.html)

he only used 2 cfl's too and got 15 grams....

15 grams would last me a month.

[bombdiggity]

You dont have a thermometer in there? I betcha its way hotter in there than you think it is...

For the love of god, please switch to 18/6 and fix your light leaks.

[bombdiggity]

by the way, that thread that you just referenced.. the guy got as much bud as he did because he vegged for 24/0.

Yet another reason why you should switch your cycle.

[TomStoner]

6. wat im gonna do is add 2 more warm cfl's to boost the lumens up to like 9000 to 10000k and continue the 12/12 cycle...but i got to see how my stocks do this week first...You are wasting your time growing if you are just going to ignore the basic needs of the plant, but it is your time to waste as you please.:smokin:

If you were starting from rooted clones instead of seeds it would be a very different story.

:cool:

[Kbrandon]

Boss's 12/12 Day 60 > - Page 13 - 420 Magazine (http://www.420magazine.com/forums/grow-journals/73411-boss-s-12-12-day-60-a-13.html)

check out that guys grow .. 12/12 from seed, 4 plants, approx 40,000 lumens = 10,000 lumens per plant... yield approx 8gram per plant...i got about 10,000 lumens on my plant too so i dont think thats bad at all... i dont really smoke allllot of weed anyway...

and hopefully i can get some root hormone stuff so that i can get some clones goin and have about 4 plants in there and yield about an ounce every couple months...

annnnd i heard bending it at a 45 degree angle when it gets a lil bigger will increase yield too....

So ... STOP TALKING ABOUT MY LIGHT SCHEDULE....i dunno if im not speaking proper english? Do you guys speak binary? here it is in binary.

01010011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101100 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01101101 01101110 00100000 01101100 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01110011 01100011 01101000 01100101 01100100 01110101 01101100 01100101 00101110

here it is in spanish

Pare el hablar de mi horario de la luz de la maldición del dios.

french...

cessez de parler de mon fichu programme léger

i mean i dunno... maybe u guys r smoking wayyy tooo much weed causing your short term memories to go to waste... cause if u take a look at the last 2 pages all u guys have been talking about is my light schedule

[Kbrandon]

You dont have a thermometer in there? I betcha its way hotter in there than you think it is...

For the love of god, please switch to 18/6 and fix your light leaks.

nah im pretty sure it doesnt get any higher than 80...

those cfl's arent hot at all... one of them is warm and one of them is just daylight but it doesnt have any heat comming from it...

wen it gets a lil bigger im gonna hang some more warm flowering cfl's and heat may become a problem then.. but ill prolly put a mini fan in there.

NE WAY...This is who protects my plant KRUNK SMASH. (lol yes that's his name)

[stinkyattic]

Fix those light leaks or you're going to end up with hermaphrodites, lengthened flower time, wispy buds, and little yield.
12/12 from seed though... good chance you're going to get hermis anyway. And no veg time means a low yield of the seedy bud your other problems are gonna give ya.
So what is it? Dorm or parents' house?

[stinkyattic]

. and if i ask for an opinion then offer it...


watchu guys think? mm hmm.

By the way hookmeup247 aka ilovetv247 aka screwthemods aka dadank54... you're not fooling anyone. Shoo. We were sick of your games a month ago and we're still sick of them now.

[Kbrandon]

mm hmm.

By the way hookmeup247 aka ilovetv247 aka screwthemods aka dadank54... you're not fooling anyone. Shoo. We were sick of your games a month ago and we're still sick of them now.

?????? Whut r u talking about..

hey man if u dont like the way i grow or what i say then there are plenty of other threads...

[stinkyattic]

Are you any of those members? No. I was talking to dadank54. He's banned... AGAIN.

I don't like the way you are treating the people who are giving you GOOD growing advice, and I don't like that you are growing in your parents' home without their permission.

[Kbrandon]

Fix those light leaks or you're going to end up with hermaphrodites, lengthened flower time, wispy buds, and little yield.
12/12 from seed though... good chance you're going to get hermis anyway. And no veg time means a low yield of the seedy bud your other problems are gonna give ya.
So what is it? Dorm or parents' house?

how many times are you guys going to repeat yourselves?? seriously... how many?? and why are you jinxing my plant like that... it is verrry healthy and its second leaves are starting to come in and it has a nice green color....

[stinkyattic]

Jinxing your plant? You have GOT to be kidding. If you cared about your plant, you'd grow it right- in a pot with drain holes, on an appropriate light schedule, with correct ventilation.

[Kbrandon]

Are you any of those members? No. I was talking to dadank54. He's banned... AGAIN.

I don't like the way you are treating the people who are giving you GOOD growing advice, and I don't like that you are growing in your parents' home without their permission.

the advice is appreciated but how many times to i gotta say... im not changing light schedule before we move on to a new topic?

[stinkyattic]

Let's talk about whose name is on the mortgage/lease of the house you're growing in, and the lack of drainage in your pots, then.

[Kbrandon]

Jinxing your plant? You have GOT to be kidding. If you cared about your plant, you'd grow it right- in a pot with drain holes, on an appropriate light schedule, with correct ventilation.

i do have drain holes and an appropriate light schedule and correct ventilation... otherwise my plant would be wilting away by now ...

[Kbrandon]

Let's talk about whose name is on the mortgage/lease of the house you're growing in, and the lack of drainage in your pots, then.

i have drainage in my pots ... and whose on my lease really isn't any of ur business cuz u dont know my circumstances... and i dont wanna hear anybody's "dont grow in anyones house but yours" speach.

[AllforMe]

No way you will get 10,000 lumens of cfl in a nightstand with no vent. I have 14,000 lumens of cfls in my 4ft x 3ft x 6.5ft veg cab, in a basement, in the winter, with 172 cfm exhaust, passive AND active air intakes, and a circulation fan in the cab. temp hits 80 on the regular under the lights. (P.s. I know cause I have a thermometer/hygrometer like I am supposed to.) Your room smells like weed all the time, so smell won't worry you... The kind of Parents..or R.A.s, who let their kid/student residents smoke in their rooms wouldn't catch on as quickly as one thinks. (I know because my parents smoke! and no I never grew in their home.) Therefore you probably could grow on the proper light schedule and be safe. Also, flowering pot plants do not smell like a spent bong hit. LOL maybe if you were sitting on a pile of dried weed in a closet. My buddy grew 4 SMALL plants under t-12s in his closet and I smelled that shit in the driveway!! (using t-12s....not the carbon filter type!) And 1 guy "supposedly" grows under 12-12 from seed. Yeah and Ive heard claims of growing 2 lbs of DANK under a desk lamp with a grow bulb in it. (seriously, I saw his seedlings and said he needed more light and he said that his last yield was 2 lbs.....) The reason we are all talking about your light schedule, is because that is what makes them flower. They are EXTREMELY photoperiod sensitive..to the point where a 3 mm light leak can cause chaos on a grow. You can't just light them when you want to. how can the light leaks be that bad? Tape the seams, weatherstrip the door, but better light traps on the vent. You were resourceful enough to construct that thing, which is pretty cool, so finish it!! By the way The courts feel that either your parents are in on it....or if they are dumb enough to have it go on under their noses, they need parenting help. And if you are over 18....time to leave. You get busted, your parents lose their house, potentially. How you get busted? Tell 2 friends, they tell 2, someone who doesn't like you finds out..(I know...hard to believe someone as pigheaded has enemies..;)) They call the cops to get at you. Mom and dad spend tons on lawyers to keep their house. And for what? If your gonna risk it.. AT LEAST FOLLOW THE MOST IMPORTANT RULES IN GROWING!! I'm not angry, or trying to piss you off. It's just that important. I was stubborn about a small light leak a friend warned me to fix. VERY small. I said...but the moons brighter than that! 2 hermies later I realized that indoor plants react differently to unnatural light sources. Very picky. Your plants will be confused as to whether to flower or grow leaves. It will grow...slow as hell..until it dies, or is forced into maturity too early, and flowers both male and female flowers, seeds up, and lacks all potentcy. That's ony if they do not succomb to your general lack of care for what the plant actually needs first! Risking a grow..in your parent's home, is dangerous and selfish alone. But risking it AND not doing it right is sorta like Holding up a bank with a gun, only to steal all the pens and no $$!:D

[AllforMe]

Oh, and the boss guy who grew under 12-12...He Only did that because he had to move, they took 13 weeks from seed, and he MAYBE got 1/2 oz from 4 plants. And he had way more light, and a lightproof area which meant no light leaks in the dark time. You have no other flowering plants that need the 12-12. He had plants finishing up in his 1 grow area, which is why he couldnt wait for those to finish before planting, he had to move. He even expressed a wish that he had been able to veg them under 18-6. It was a shotgun grow. He attempted it again, then killed all the plants, they never finished. Did you read the whole post? Or did you read what you wanted to read then quit?

[bombdiggity]

people like this don't help our community very much, do they

[jackforest]

how many times are you guys going to repeat yourselves?? seriously... how many?? and why are you jinxing my plant like that... it is verrry healthy and its second leaves are starting to come in and it has a nice green color....

Yeah StinkyAttic, Why in the world would you jinx his plants? Now he might end up with a crap harvest...


BUY SOME WEATHER PROOFING AND JUST SEAL THE BASTARD.

[Kbrandon]

this is like day 5 or 6... not sure...

and does anyone know why its kinda light green? Its really healthy and the leaves are perky its just that the plant is like a yellow green... is that normal when its young?

Ive been feeding it my urine mixed with alot of water... so maybe its too much nutrients or something?

[stinkyattic]

You're not supposed to give seedlings ANY nutrients, and urine is an inappropriate fertilizer indoors. Gotta read the stickies. Start with the one in my siggy.

[Kbrandon]

wen is it not a seedling anymore?

[stinkyattic]

wen is it not a seedling anymore?That's covered in the sticky linked in my sig. Really.

[Kbrandon]

okay imma stop feeding it nutes then and w8 till it gets more leavs...

do u think ill be able to take clones? or will the bud grow b4 i get a chance to take clones? or will the branches probably not grow big enuff?

[stinkyattic]

OMG go read and come back with some real questions...
THIS IS WHY EVERYONE SAYS GO TO 18/6!!! Well, one of the many reasons. Cloning a plant already stressed from premature photoperiod flip to 12/12 and a totally inappropriate fert regime (why you would want to piss in your nightstand is beyond me... haven't you ever heard the advice 'don't shit where you sleep'? Gross.) is not going to work. And there's no point in cloning an unsexed plant unless you have 2 or more different rooms.
Whatever dude. I'm finished with this thread. You need to research, and I don't feel like helping you grow weed in your parents' house anyway. And the txt-talk is just sad.

[Kbrandon]

OMG go read and come back with some real questions...
THIS IS WHY EVERYONE SAYS GO TO 18/6!!! Well, one of the many reasons. Cloning a plant already stressed from premature photoperiod flip to 12/12 and a totally inappropriate fert regime (why you would want to piss in your nightstand is beyond me... haven't you ever heard the advice 'don't shit where you sleep'? Gross.) is not going to work. And there's no point in cloning an unsexed plant unless you have 2 or more different rooms.
Whatever dude. I'm finished with this thread. You need to research, and I don't feel like helping you grow weed in your parents' house anyway. And the txt-talk is just sad.

I ask u some simple quesitons about cloning and u just cant seem to get your simple mind off my light cycle... You know what... u should be a critic.. ur even criticising irrelevent shit now such as the way i type...wat does that have to do with cannabis?

You keep telling me to read this and read that, why dont u shut the fuck up and read the evidence that i posted in this thread.. and get ur mind on the subjects that im on.. and stop repeating urself like a god damn pirate parrot.

look at the pics of my cuzzins plant on like page 2... it was grown in a way more stressful light cycle than mine and it used piss mixed with water as nutrients and it was the dankest but ive smoked. He yielded about 2 eights.

Look at the guy who grew 12/12 from seed... He got like 4 or 5 grams too.....

So whenever u feel an urge to get belligerant with me just remember this.. I dont really give a fuck about your opinion..i know what im getting myself into and im aware of my potential results... you just need to let that penetrate ur skull and go into your brain so u can understand that b4 you type to me.

[stinkyattic]

Oops! Someone's having a case of the Mondays... you need to check your user cp.

The subjects that you're on are usually researched by growers before they pop a seed. You want to play kiddie games, don't come asking serious growers for advice. We're going to tell you the same shit. DO IT RIGHT or don't bother. This isn't about experimentation, it's about the simplest, most basic needs of the cannabis plant.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Wow... that's all I can say about this thread, just wow. Stinky, you have the patience of a saint, girl!

And Kb - You're the one acting like a 'god damn pirate parrot', asking the SAME old questions about the SAME old topics that have received the SAME old answers numerous times. The only 'evidence' you've posted in this thread is that you haven't got a damn clue how to properly grow cannabis. If you're looking to take a whole bunch of shortcuts, don't be pissed when you end up with mediocre results...

Here's a REALLY good place to start fresh and humble yourself just a little bit: Grow FAQs (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html)

[twitch]

wow yea props to stinky if i was a mod i would have been tired of
ur shit already, every one here that grows has done the same thing
if not close to "read the FAQs for a week" lol but if ur not ban by
the time ur plant gets to harvest ill be here to watch every one
say told u so



but keep up the good work i hear after the second set its smooth
sailing i mean shit its almost not a seedling

[phatsesh101]

sounds to me like were arguing with a 13 year old, me having the unfortunate opportunity to work wth teenagers remember this dialog on many different subjects.

[stinkyattic]

Hey I guess we were all young once. I'm going to lock this thread so it doesn't turn into dump-on-the-noob (I can kinda predict it happening).

But if I may use my mod superpowers to give myself the last word, for some people, the true lesson that comes from being a forum member is the ability to gracefully give and receive constructive criticism. There will always be that one troll who wants to say YOU'RE WRONG (not calling anyone a troll here btw), but when you can get past that, so what if your plants look like they went through a car wash... the real gift was patience.