Rusty's Re-Veg...

[Rusty Trichome]

Thought we needed another re-veg thread, as lately there just doesn't seem to be enough of 'em, lol.

I'll be taking the plant, chopping her back to basically a stump with a couple of small branches, and a few small leaves. From there, I'll re-pot her in a larger (5 gallon) pot with fresh soil, to be put back into veg.

First off, here's the donor. She's a clone from an un-named medical R&D strain from Reeferman, that I have so boldly named PokerFace. (I used to live in Vegas, thus the weird name)Reeferman R&D Strain #1 (http://www.reefermanseeds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1383)
She's a 30" tall 50%/50% hybrid (indica/sativa) in a 3 gallon pot filled with a very rich locally-mixed organic soil. 25% more perlite added for better drainage. Trichomes are milky, on the verge of turning amber, but needed the smoke.
A few days before this photo, I had flushed really, really good, and has since dried-out enough for it's upcoming transplant.

[Rusty Trichome]

First photo: shows the initial removal of primary and secondary buds. After this was accomplished, I removed the (seeded) lower buds.

Second photo: In the bottom of my grow pots, I have a 1" layer of rock, with a layer of shade cloth on top of 'em. The shade cloth keeps the soil out of the rocks. Makes it easier to do what I'm about to do, and I don't have to pick a bunch of rocks out of the rootball.

Having prepared a 5 gallon pot for the transplant, (rock layer, shade cloth, fresh soil...) and after trimming all the harvest, I remove plant from the 3 gallon pot. Turning plant upside down, I tear-off the shade cloth. :eek:

[Rusty Trichome]

Here she is in her new pot: After putting her in her new pot, I water with 1/2 (or so) strength nutes, and slap her into veg. The other plant next to the current re-veg, is another re-vegging Diesel. (been vegging for about 2 weeks)

[Rusty Trichome]

After about 3 to 4 weeks, I've got a 12" to 16" revegged plant, ready for flower.
Veg: 400w MH 18/6
Flower: 2 x 400w HPS
Nutes: Fox Farms 3 part (G-M-B) Cal Mag Plus, Molasses.

The two plants tword the back wall are re-veg's. One on left has been flowering for almost two weeks. The one on the right is the same Diesel, from the post above. (plant in front is a Swazi Skunk, 3 weeks into flower, but is just a clone, not a re-veg)

[Hennessy1414]

After about 3 to 4 weeks, I've got a 12" to 16" revegged plant, ready for flower.
Veg: 400w MH 18/6
Flower: 2 x 400w HPS
Nutes: Fox Farms 3 part (G-M-B) Cal Mag Plus, Molasses.

The two plants tword the back wall are re-veg's. One on left has been flowering for almost two weeks. The one on the right is the same Diesel, from the post above. (plant in front is a Swazi Skunk, 3 weeks into flower, but is just a clone, not a re-veg)

but dont you just take clones from mothers? :rastasmoke:

[Rusty Trichome]

Sure, clones are nice. Lately re-grows are where I've been getting my clones. (I'll harvest some clones for the next grow cycle, and put the mother back into flower) But with a re-grow, you already have an established root system that's just dying to kick-start the foliage.
Also, regardless of others' fears, I have yet to see a hermie. :thumbsup: (knocks on wood)

[Hennessy1414]

Sure, clones are nice. Lately re-grows are where I've been getting my clones. (I'll harvest some clones for the next grow cycle, and put the mother back into flower) But with a re-grow, you already have an established root system that's just dying to kick-start the foliage.
Also, regardless of others' fears, I have yet to see a hermie. :thumbsup: (knocks on wood)

:rastasmoke:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Awesome thread, Rusty! Besides tearing off the shade cloth, do you separate/trim the roots whatsoever?

[keeko]

great thread and perfect timing......this will help me with my re-veg.

[Rusty Trichome]

Awesome thread, Rusty! Besides tearing off the shade cloth, do you separate/trim the roots whatsoever?

Nope. Some come off with the shade cloth, but I don't do much more than that. If transplanting into a larger pot, they've got plenty of time in veg and flower to fill the spaces. If I'm downsizing the re-veg, I'll dramatically trim the roots, but have only done that when space in the veg closet is too cramped.

Bummer tho...my MH just quit turning on , when it gets turned on. I takes like an hour, but then fires. Possibly capacitor going bad? Anyway, back to floro veg. :(

Keeko: It is really easy, just be on the lookout for ph problems. have had to do a second flush early in re-veg, but seems to be smooth sailing after stabilized.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Bummer tho...my MH just quit turning on , when it gets turned on. It takes like an hour, but then fires. Possibly capacitor going bad? Anyway, back to floro veg. :(

That sucks to hear. Is the light cycling? (Igniting for a little while, then cutting off, then repeating the process continuously.) Or does it just take forever to fire up... but stays lit once it gets going? If it's the latter, and your ballast is a pulse start system, it sounds like the igniter or capacitor may be taking a crap on you.

Here's an interesting link where you might be able to find some better answers: The Professor's PSMH (http://www.angelfire.com/pro/weed_seeds/faq_psmh.htm)

[keeko]

Keeko: It is really easy, just be on the lookout for ph problems. have had to do a second flush early in re-veg, but seems to be smooth sailing after stabilized.

good to know, ill be checking for ph and other problems....keep up the good work.

[Rusty Trichome]

Is the light cycling? (Igniting for a little while, then cutting off, then repeating the process continuously.) Or does it just take forever to fire up... but stays lit once it gets going? If it's the latter, and your ballast is a pulse start system, it sounds like the igniter or capacitor may be taking a crap on you.

Here's an interesting link where you might be able to find some better answers: The Professor's PSMH (http://www.angelfire.com/pro/weed_seeds/faq_psmh.htm)

Not real sure. Two days in a row, it took forever to ignite. But am pretty sure it stayed on, once it got going. Third day, I switched it for the floro's. No hurry figuring it out. Can't afford to do much of anything right now.
Will check the link tho, thanks bunches.

Good luck to you too, keeko, thanks.

[GaGrown]

A capacitor is an easy fix! Just plugs to each post on the cap.Provided you have a factory ballast,like hydrfarm,and not a homebuilt,one. Is it a magnetic ballast with a coil?:thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

A capacitor is an easy fix! Just plugs to each post on the cap.Provided you have a factory ballast,like hydrfarm,and not a homebuilt,one. Is it a magnetic ballast with a coil?:thumbsup:

It's a factory built, (magnetic, I think) but haven't even opened it up yet. Just past the warranty, too. But for now the floro's are doing ok. What really sux, is that my floro fixture is 4'1" but the closet is only 3'11". Puts everything on a slant, lol. Am contemplating just switching to CFl's instead of fixing the MH. Depends on what it will take to fix.

Anyone have a link for cheap replacement parts or retro kits?
How about one for bulk packages of CFL's?
Would appreciate it bunches. :thumbsup:

[GaGrown]

It's a factory built, (magnetic, I think) but haven't even opened it up yet. Just past the warranty, too. But for now the floro's are doing ok. What really sux, is that my floro fixture is 4'1" but the closet is only 3'11". Puts everything on a slant, lol. Am contemplating just switching to CFl's instead of fixing the MH. Depends on what it will take to fix.

Anyone have a link for cheap replacement parts or retro kits?
How about one for bulk packages of CFL's?
Would appreciate it bunches. :thumbsup:

Grow Lights, Grow Bulbs and Hydroponics - Plantlighting Hydroponics & Grow Lights (http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com)

[Rusty Trichome]

Well, shit!

Veg lights (fluoro's) took a dump last night, again. <sigh> Were getting old anyway. This keeps up, and I'll be vegging with my Bic lighter, lol.

Went to WalMart, and ended-up with these:
There's 4 - 2 bulb security light bases (adjustable bulb angles)
8 - 26w CFL's (6500k, 1600 lumens)

Drilled holes, attached bases to the board, wired them in series. Using a hard yet flexible plastic sheeting for reflector, that I had in the garage.

Had to use the Dremmel to remove about 1" in length from the plastic bulb sockets, as the bulb base was about 1/32" too large in diameter. Easy remedy, works great.
Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

[fiddyonefiddy]

rusty you remind me of hee haw
if it werent for bad luck you wouldnt have any.
the reveg is goood stuff to know thank you.

[GaGrown]

Well, shit!

Veg lights (fluoro's) took a dump last night, again. <sigh> Were getting old anyway. This keeps up, and I'll be vegging with my Bic lighter, lol.

Went to WalMart, and ended-up with these:
There's 4 - 2 bulb security light bases (adjustable bulb angles)
8 - 26w CFL's (6500k, 1600 lumens)

Drilled holes, attached bases to the board, wired them in series. Using a hard yet flexible plastic sheeting for reflector, that I had in the garage.

Had to use the Dremmel to remove about 1" in length from the plastic bulb sockets, as the bulb base was about 1/32" too large in diameter. Easy remedy, works great.
Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

Hey Rusty,
They sell the 5 packs of Bic lighters at the counter. That should last you awhile.Pretend your at a concert!. All jokes aside... That's messed up! I've never had a light or fan fall. That had to be heart-wrenching!:mad:

[Rusty Trichome]

My wife tells me I have such a magnetic personality, I mess-up all things electronic within a ten yard radius. I broke the Microwave, last night. Closed the door a bit too hard with my hip, Now it won't start. :D
<sigh>
Ya get used to it after a while. :jointsmile:

[GaGrown]

My wife tells me I have such a magnetic personality, I mess-up all things electronic within a ten yard radius. I broke the Microwave, last night. Closed the door a bit too hard with my hip, Now it won't start. :D
<sigh>
Ya get used to it after a while. :jointsmile:
She's right! I feel the poles pulling from here...........:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

Well I can't answer if you get some 2500k bulbs to supplement but here is a plant (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/181238d1205280538-flowering-log-picture-log-dscn0112.jpg) I grew under 5500K CFLs. I think you'd be fine with just the cfl's you have

[Rusty Trichome]

Total of 10 lamps, 2 of which are the 2400k's. Figured that I could keep an eye on 'em, see what kind of a difference they make.

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

Also, I fixed my microwave. Was a loose switch/latch. (whew, wife was a little pissed)
Only ended-up with 2 extra screws, and a weird wire-connector thingy when done. :thumbsup: (kidding)

[GaGrown]

Total of 10 lamps, 2 of which are the 2400k's. Figured that I could keep an eye on 'em, see what kind of a difference they make.

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

Also, I fixed my microwave. Was a loose switch/latch. (whew, wife was a little pissed)
Only ended-up with 2 extra screws, and a weird wire-connector thingy when done. :thumbsup: (kidding)

Not only are you magnetic,your mechanicly inclined as well!:thumbsup: I've to learn from you!With the extra parts left you don't have to buy more. Bet she is glad you got it fixed..

Ga Grown!

[phatsesh101]

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

yeah ive been playing with my lights lately. ive found that my 100w mh grows plants much faster than my 100w t5s damn near double not to metion nodes are much closer tpgether which helps my sog well this is great cause im going to have to regen these gdp now i know they are for sure i got them in flower and tried to clone about four and they died and i want to keep it gdp is such a good morning clear headed smoke.

[Rusty Trichome]

Thought I'd throw-out an update. Week 5 or 6 in flower, I believe.
Will have to double check, tho.
Anyway, here's how she looks today...A little shorter than I'd normally flower, but was getting desperate for buds...20" tall right now, but longer re-veg would have given a taller result.

First pix: The re-grow finishing-up...
Second: Close-up...(can check trichome maturity this way, too. :thumbsup:)
Third: Another re-grow, 3 weeks into flower...
Last one: Yet another re-grow, 1 week in flower.
The others are Swazi clones, 1 and 2 weeks in flower. (sativa)

[Rusty Trichome]

Sorry, don't know what I was thinking...the clones above are Diesel, (indica dom) not Swazi.

[Dreadscale]

Awsome !!!

They all look really nice. How many weeks is the re-veg from the last harvest?

[Rusty Trichome]

I put 'em back in veg for about 5-6 weeks, then, after a good flush and some veg nutes, she goes back into flower. Takes a couple of those weeks re-adjusting to it's situation after being put back into veg. Same with putting them back into flower. A week or two of almost no growth in flower, then it goes crazy, filling itself in.

Will go for a longer veg from now on, tho. Perhaps an extra couple of weeks. I'm guessing it is well worth the wait.

I have to say tho...the results as they stand are better than I was expecting. Much better.

I was going to try and re-veg my Swazi clone, (sativa) but I let her go too long in flower. All the lower growth dried-up. The remaining viable leaves (required for photosynthesis and re-vegging) were too high-up the trunk, and I couldn't fit the girl back into the veg closet, without cutting-off the good stuff. Oh well...can't win 'em all, lol.

Can't wait to try it on my Potent Purple ladies. (sativa)

[Treetops]

Rusty Trichome,
Nice job....like what I see.....keep it up....
I like your style...
Thanks,
Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

[slamnsam]

with your mh how old is the bulb? sometimes an older bulb combined with a weak cap can cause the issues u mentioned.. replacing the bulb isn't a long term fix if the cap is compromised but it can be supprising how long it will last anyways hope all is going well;)

[konvikt419]

i was hoping to come across one of these this is what im planning to do when im done keep the updates coming :jointsmile:

[DrMota]

Once had BCBD's Purple Buddha 3-4wks into flowering, after decided to pollinate the plant, wanted to take some cuts to preserve the pheno & strain cause it smelled niiiice:) rooted them using a hydrocloning method, after they rooted in about 10 days, placed them in pots where they still weren't completely out of the flowering stage, I picked off all flowers or signs of the flower period while in a 1gal., it took almost 1 complete month to re-veg:)
It sounds like forever but I'm happy with it now.
LightPeriod:24hrs
PotSize:1gal after rooted in hydrocloner
Nutes: Voodoo Juice, Mother Earth Tea GROW, Pura Vida Organic GROW

I recommend 24hrs lighting but surely 18/6 would work as well.

[Rusty Trichome]

I recommend 24hrs lighting but surely 18/6 would work as well.
I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

[headshake]

I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

lol! funny rusty!


-shake

[DrMota]

I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

24/0 and 18/6 would both work, I recommend you use the best that worked for you, Once my KUSH was 3weeks into flower and 18/6 only pushed the pistil development further when the lights were off.

[Rusty Trichome]

24/0 and 18/6 would both work, I recommend you use the best that worked for you, Once my KUSH was 3weeks into flower and 18/6 only pushed the pistil development further when the lights were off.
You put your Kush under 18/6 to flower, and what happened...? :wtf:
Are you confusing preflowers showing during vegetative cycle, and buds forming in bloom cycle? If so, why would you be in the Advanced Techniques threads correcting anyone? If not, then wtf are you talking about?

[JD1stTimer]

The way I read it he means he had the Kush flowering at 12/12, tried to re-veg by switching to 18/6, but it just kept budding and budding apparently. Where are you DrMota, you need to give us some clarity!

BTW, is that name from the town Mota on Phantasy Star? I loved those games!!

[the image reaper]

'Mota' is Mexican for 'marijuana', I think :jointsmile:

[Italiano715]

'Mota' is Mexican for 'marijuana', I think :jointsmile:

that is correct my friend :thumbsup: Watch BLOW and they say that when they are in Mexico. Damn Gringos looking for mota! LoL

[headshake]

hey rusty, do you ever have one that turns into a cantaloupe sized ball of thickness? reason i ask is that i have a current re-veg and she's a thick little tumbleweed of a gal.

if so, is it worth flowering?

thanks.


-shake

[DrMota]

The way I read it he means he had the Kush flowering at 12/12, tried to re-veg by switching to 18/6, but it just kept budding and budding apparently. Where are you DrMota, you need to give us some clarity!

BTW, is that name from the town Mota on Phantasy Star? I loved those games!!


'Mota' is Mexican for 'marijuana', I think :jointsmile:

Correct, The Kush was already 3 weeks deep into 12/12 lighting, put them under 18/6 400w MH vegging room to re-veg but kept developing buds and pistils for about its 2week stay, switched to 24/0 and it quit development of buds and re-vegged in about 1 month.

Mota is Mexican for marijuana:)
DrMota short for "DoctorRecommendedMarijuanaOnTheAction"

PEACE

[Rusty Trichome]

hey rusty, do you ever have one that turns into a cantaloupe sized ball of thickness? reason i ask is that i have a current re-veg and she's a thick little tumbleweed of a gal.

if so, is it worth flowering? thanks. -shake
Happens often with some of my indica doms. Not sure if it's a residual hormone thing, or perhaps early re-veg stress, but yes..they are worth taking to harvest. One good result is that the internode spacing is minimal, so it's not really wasting energy and resources on stem material, lol. But the buds do get to be full-size and rock-hard.

I've tried extra flushing of the soil, I've raised the lights, I've lengthened the schedule to 20/4, tried adding a little extra nitrogen, and I've tried adding a tad more molasses...but it seems that if they want to stay squat, they're going to stay squat.

DrMota: hmm. I guess I'm still reading it wrong. Are you saying you had them under 12/12 for three weeks, and then tried to re-veg? If so, why didn't you let the plants go till harvest, as you were almost there? Without explination, it didn't sound right.

[headshake]

thanks for the info rusty! i guess she's just gonna be a squaty little thing with big limbs. like a midget bodybuilder! lol.


-shake

[DrMota]

DrMota: hmm. I guess I'm still reading it wrong. Are you saying you had them under 12/12 for three weeks, and then tried to re-veg? If so, why didn't you let the plants go till harvest, as you were almost there? Without explination, it didn't sound right.

When the KUSH was obtained it was already 3weeks into 12/12, wanted to take some cuts to continue this strain for gardens, therefore revegged for that purpose...Never would I consider budding then a quarter of the way there decide to re-vegg that may cause stress or worst...HERMIES! :eek:

Does that answer all the loopholes?

[bigworm1922]

Hey Rusty do you see any problems with using a reveg for a mother plant? I would think it was ok just wanted to see if you have done it. I have a plant that is alot of thc (alot more then the others) I did clone it but I have been going out of town allot for work and my buddy keeps killing stuff :mad:. Anyway this way I can get some clones from her.

[Rusty Trichome]

That's my favorite way to choose a mother plant. Since she's already been through the whole process...you know how she performs. When you re-veg, she'll send-out shitloads of shoots that are perfect for cloning.

[bigworm1922]

:thumbsup: thanks Rusty that helps allot! I really need some new clones room will be done soon. I need to filler up>

[hock8889]

that is correct my friend :thumbsup: Watch BLOW and they say that when they are in Mexico. Damn Gringos looking for mota! LoL

not often someone quotes BLOW...i know the dude...he's had a tough life...

[Rusty Trichome]

I should have addressed this after the first comment, but I couldn't give a shit about a glorified scumbag of a cocaine dealer, and would like to request you keep references to street drugs and their hero's out of my threads. Not only is the reference against my personal policy, it's against site rules. :wtf:

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Rusty, your re vegged plants look incredible:hippy:way different then mine. But i had no leaves at all to work with, so i used lower small buds to start new growth. It has worked so far, but the plan was to put them outside after getting a few clones.

I know you grow inside, but i thought id ask for help with this issue, because it is a re veg and there are really not any other people i know who user's it with your success.

I began to re veg at 18/6 and the veg started to show at about 2 weeks. So, they have been re vegging for close to 6 weeks, but as this is my one and only room to grow. I began a box that will be used for clones as soon as i can take them. Well, i had put my seedlings in the same space and changed my lights to 24/0 in order to try and push the seedlings a bit, not thinking. My seedlings are much better. They have grown new growth and have greened up tons, so they are not the issue here.

The issue is that my re veg is on 24/0 and the plan is to get them in the ground 2nd week in May. I am planning to re pot them again to a bigger pot, with fresh soil on the 30th of this month. Then let them get comfortable and start to introduce them to the sun. Well i know that the need to go back to 18/6 to ease into the outside with only about 11hrs of sun at this time.

My question is, will this be too much for the plants. A re pot and 2 light changes in a time period of about 3 weeks, plus maybe 3 clones taken! I do not want them to hermy on me. This is my biggest fear and i think that it seems a bit much for them. So, i thought id check with you on advise please, before i do anything:thumbsup: The one NL#5 is the most important to me, but i have 3 in re veg. Also, im not sure if they are even ready for this. I re potted like you showed in your thread right before re veg with the organic MG 6 weeks ago.

If you need a pic, just so you have an idea of any change you advise let me know:hippy:

Thanks for any help Rusty:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

Hey Rusty, Hey.


...But i had no leaves at all to work with, so i used lower small buds to start new growth. It works, it just takes longer though. When re-vegging a sativa, sometimes all you have down there are some mini-buds. (less light getting to the base of the taller sativa's)


I know you grow inside, but i thought id ask for help with this issue, because it is a re veg and there are really not any other people i know who user's it with your success. Aww shucks...:D


Well, i had put my seedlings in the same space and changed my lights to 24/0 in order to try and push the seedlings a bit, not thinking. I have a hard and fast rule that my growth closets are all 18/6. This includes seedlings and clones. I've run on 24/0 a few times, but always go back to what works best. Regardless of strain, 18/6 works best for my ladies. I also have a couple of growth closets so I can have a shorter set-up for clones and seedlings, and another for older vegging plants.


My question is, will this be too much for the plants. A re pot and 2 light changes in a time period of about 3 weeks, plus maybe 3 clones taken! Should be fine. In veg, light changes aren't nearly as important as the switch from growth phase to flowering phase. Best to have a stable schedule, but in veg they're a little more tollerant. Still, you don't want to dick with going back-n-forth.
How long since the last stress to the plant? (taking clones, transplanting...) I usually try and wait for 2 solid weeks of healing and repairs before slamming them into 12/12. I do this because a couple of weeks into flowering, I carefully transplant into the final container, and watch 'em go. (perventive measure curing late-stage ph buffering issues) After this final transplant...with my medium, I get up to two additional weeks of stretch before they start filling-in.


Well i know that the need to go back to 18/6 to ease into the outside with only about 11hrs of sun at this time. If you've only got 11 hours of sun right now, you'll want to suppliment the light once you move 'em, to keep the ladies chugging-along in the growth stage. But yes, it would be better to ease into the switch outdoors. Perhaps a week of 'easing' into it. Especially since they'll be exposed to more lumens, more heat and wind, bugs, and the effects from UV light.


I do not want them to hermy on me. I'll bet. :jointsmile: Should be fine.


Also, im not sure if they are even ready for this. I re potted like you showed in your thread right before re veg with the organic MG 6 weeks ago. Usually I'd recommend someone try not to use the MG for final transplant, but this isn't a final transplant, they'rgetting ready for the next phase of the growth cycle. :thumbsup:


If you need a pic, just so you have an idea of any change you advise let me know:hippy: It's up to you, but sure...let's have a look.

[LetsSeeYa]

I have a hard and fast rule that my growth closets are all 18/6. This includes seedlings and clones. I've run on 24/0 a few times, but always go back to what works best. Regardless of strain, 18/6 works best for my ladies. I also have a couple of growth closets so I can have a shorter set-up for clones and seedlings, and another for older vegging plants.

Well Rusty i like the 18/6 too, in my little experience and only one indoor under my belt, i seem to see better growth once they grew to maturity. I had seen so many people starting at 24/0, so thats what i did, but after they were more mature i changed to 18/6 and my plants grew faster. I will finish my box today to remove the seedlings to the box. I have a 65k, CRI 80, 65Watt light for a veg box. I have 2 but one needs the bulb, but this will make it so i can keep clones in it.


Should be fine. In veg, light changes aren't nearly as important as the switch from growth phase to flowering phase. Best to have a stable schedule, but in veg they're a little more tollerant. Still, you don't want to dick with going back-n-forth.

Great, thats something i dont want to worry about, good to know this. After they go back to 18/6 im giving them 3 weeks before putting them out, this will happen after re pot. Should i take clones when i re pot? I might just grow some inside to try an make a mother of the NL#5. MOST IMPORTANT.


How long since the last stress to the plant? (taking clones, transplanting...).

Its been a bit over 6 weeks from last re pot, which was right before re veg.
What type of soil can i get from wally that will work best. No grow shops around where i live, just nursries. So, no FF fo sure.



I usually try and wait for 2 solid weeks of healing and repairs before slamming them into 12/12. I do this because a couple of weeks into flowering, I carefully transplant into the final container, and watch 'em go. (perventive measure curing late-stage ph buffering issues) After this final transplant...with my medium, I get up to two additional weeks of stretch before they start filling-in.

They have been in re veg over 6 weeks so far. Most will go out, but as iv said i really need to try an keep the NL kicking, so im not sure as to put the re veg out, or clones from it. But, im out of buds now so i need to flower something soon inside. I could use the stretch as i have a lot of room and it would give more yield i would hope.


If you've only got 11 hours of sun right now, you'll want to suppliment the light once you move 'em, to keep the ladies chugging-along in the growth stage. But yes, it would be better to ease into the switch outdoors. Perhaps a week of 'easing' into it. Especially since they'll be exposed to more lumens, more heat and wind, bugs, and the effects from UV light.

Well i have noticed that i have more sun now then i thought. Its a bit over 13hours, while il have more by the time me put them out. Also, i plan to ease them into the outdoors.



Usually I'd recommend someone try not to use the MG for final transplant, but this isn't a final transplant, they'rgetting ready for the next phase of the growth cycle. :thumbsup:

The MG was the only soil that didnt have pre loaded ferts, so i went with it. Not sure what i can find around here.

Thanks Rusty:thumbsup: Oh, and i thought i was posting in the other thread you have; the older one:wtf:i saw today you started over. My bad man.

Here is what they look like today
1. Skunk#1 x NL#5
2. NL #5
3. Edna

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[Rusty Trichome]

Looking a bt overwatered and rootbound, but nothing major. Have you been giving additional nutrients?


Well Rusty i like the 18/6 too, in my little experience and only one indoor under my belt, i seem to see better growth once they grew to maturity. I had seen so many people starting at 24/0, so thats what i did, but after they were more mature i changed to 18/6 and my plants grew faster.
Some folks still swear by a 24/0 schedule, but I get what I need from 18/6. Guess it comes down to convienence or upbringing or lack of timer, lol.


Great, thats something i dont want to worry about, good to know this.
Pushing it can be a problem, but the occation when necessary, if a strong strain, should do fine.


Should i take clones when i re pot? I might just grow some inside to try an make a mother of the NL#5. MOST IMPORTANT.
Clones are very handy, but make sure she (the donor) is healed pretty good prior to switching to 12/12 if that's what you do. You can save the original donor as a mother plant, or keep a clone for the job and flower the original. Make sure they are rooted before doing this if inexperienced though. (just in case) Worse case I could see if the clones fail though...a re-veg.


Its been a bit over 6 weeks from last re pot, which was right before re veg.
What type of soil can i get from wally that will work best. No grow shops around where i live, just nursries. So, no FF fo sure.
walmart potting soil - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+potting+soil&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC)


...But, im out of buds now so i need to flower something soon inside. I could use the stretch as i have a lot of room and it would give more yield i would hope. If you're going to flower indoors soon, I'd recommend a mix free of added nutrients. Makes things easier in the long run. But since you already got the MG:
A) If she's going outside, should be able to start flowering nutrients in 3 weeks to a month. (half strength)
B) If she's staying indoors for flowering, likely at least a month till needing nutrients, but she'll come around in time. Don't force flowering nutrients on her till she's ready to use them. She's busy right now...
C) If she's staying indoors for further growth, all is well. She'll need feeding in a month or so.


Well i have noticed that i have more sun now then i thought. Its a bit over 13hours, while il have more by the time me put them out. Also, i plan to ease them into the outdoors. I wasn't going to count, but it seems we have way more than 11 hours of light now, lol. I'm not an outdoor guy, But I think I'd wait till 14 hours. Would possibly prevent her wanting to flower early.


The MG was the only soil that didnt have pre loaded ferts, so i went with it. Not sure what i can find around here. Pretty sure all Miracle Grow soil mixes have nutrients, whether organic or chemical...they're there.


Thanks Rusty:thumbsup: Oh, and i thought i was posting in the other thread you have; the older one:wtf:i saw today you started over. My bad man. Not a big deal. Good luck. :jointsmile:

[moody420]

very good thread rusty! :thumbsup: I've always wondered about re-vegging and have read a little on the topic, but this thread and pics are very helpful! Thanks!!! :jointsmile:

[LetsSeeYa]

Thank you so much Rusty:hippy: That info was just what i needed for a good grow and have put to rest some questions i wasn't sure of. Now im pretty sure that this will be successfully now. Well all but the cloning part, but im not going to get ahead of myself, so for now il just read on the subject. Iv never cloned before that counted, but some reading and cloning gel, i think will make a big difference of course.

Again Rusty Thanks :hippy: i luv this re veg sorta growing style, it just makes sense to me.

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[Rusty Trichome]

A little practice and a lot of patience is all it really takes.

Good luck and keep us informed. :thumbsup:

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey Rusty, great thread..

any special considerations I should have in attempting a scrog reveg after harvest.......It would save me so much hassle to avoid starting from seed.....
I'm only running one chamber right now.......thinking about pruning the roots, but I could fit a 7 or 8 gallon pot in the cab...

thanks

buffalo

[Rusty Trichome]

No special considerations except for how you shape the plant for re-veg. With a Scrog, I'd try and make a bowl shaped canopy with more side-branches left on it, than center branches. Early training of those branches will get ya on the right track. :thumbsup:

I always trim the roots. If I don't, they will develop a rootbound issue in no time. The plants are very forgiving when roots are trimmed during this process, and it's not a major concern at all.

[LetsSeeYa]

How's it going there Rusty:hippy:I thought id stop by an see what you thought about my plan and the headiness of the plants thus far.

I have the NL re potted in a larger pot, but didn't cut any roots off her this time. I did cut them off first re pot and let them fill out till this one as i am planning to put her outside to bush up i hope. Iv also done the same with the Skunk x NL and have it outside getting ready. The Edna has taken its time vegging to the point of a re potting, but its next on the list. I have a place iv been working on as far as clearing out the briers and any growth that would prevent the plants from getting all the light it can get. Plus i don't want them to compete with the weeds for water an my nutes. Its great soil, but plan on mixing in some stuff i got from the nursery and a shit load of perlite. I got about 5 gallons for 5 bucks from there and plan on getting more. It saved all those seedlings after i re potted them mixed with perlite. That was the problem.

Here is the NL on the left and Edna on the right, which will be re potted Monday, its cold and might frost tonight so il wait till Monday when its to be nice then.''They say'':wtf: But the Edna has come around in time, but im at full strength FF veg nutes for a couple weeks now, so i think that helped.

So, what do you think, thanks Rusty and keep er green:weedpoke:

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[Rusty Trichome]

As long as they are going in-ground, no worries over rootspace. No big deal not cutting them. Early-on I tried finishing in 3 gallon pots, cutting just a little of the roots, and right back into the 3's, thinking I could up-pot into 5's just before putting them to flower. Ran out of rootspace about 3 weeks into flower in the 5's and had to go get some 15's. (why don't they have 10 gallon nursery pots...?)
Anyway, it screwed-up my entire schedule because they took up so much time and room. That's when I started the severe trimming-back, and has been working for me ever since.

Perhaps practice cloning with a couple of expendable shoots. A little practice goes a long way.

Looking great. I might have gone for more side-branching and lighting to pull side branches away from the cola's, but I'm sure they'll do fine. Success feels pretty good, eh? :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

As long as they are going in-ground, no worries over rootspace. No big deal not cutting them. Early-on I tried finishing in 3 gallon pots, cutting just a little of the roots, and right back into the 3's, thinking I could up-pot into 5's just before putting them to flower. Ran out of rootspace about 3 weeks into flower in the 5's and had to go get some 15's. (why don't they have 10 gallon nursery pots...?)
Anyway, it screwed-up my entire schedule because they took up so much time and room. That's when I started the severe trimming-back, and has been working for me ever since.

There first re pot, all went back in there original pots and second went into double size pots, but didn't trim roots because going out, i want as many as possible. I got 5 gallons of perlite for 5 bucks at the nursery.


Perhaps practice cloning with a couple of expendable shoots. A little practice goes a long way.

Well im planning to take clones to veg through summer to flower right after the out door is finished. And i do need the practice.


Looking great. I might have gone for more side-branching and lighting to pull side branches away from the cola's, but I'm sure they'll do fine. Success feels pretty good, eh? :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Geez that was one thing i thought about was the branches just growing straight up to the lights. Thought, well once they are out, then the branch growth would open up and spread out, which im sure they will. But, i really should have used the light to do so. Just spinning the plant off to the side would have done it. Next year il know to take care of that tho.

And yeah, im feeling pretty good about them so far. I sure understand why you re veg that for sure. I think its something i would always do after each grow now. My veg area is close to being done to take clones from the NL for winter indoor. Id like to keep one for a mother also, i just think i can save time and seeds this way. Plus i can make sure i dont run out of buds, like now.

So hows your veg doing, just haven't seen any resent pic's of them babies:hippy:

Thanks again Rusty:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

Here's a recent batch:
( Lemon Skunk )
Went from a 5 gallon bucket to a 1 gallon. Had to top her more due to headroom issues. Now in a two gallon, and ready for further shaping, or taking clones, or whatever...
The other re-veg is a cross between Inca Spirit, PokerFace, and Diesel. Heavily indica, heavily stinky. About 2 weeks re-veg since harvesting and trimming on both of 'em.

[busybee]

good work rusty,thanks! this will help heaps as i'm 2wks into re-veg on a mystery indica dom.i left a few small buds on mine-its wierd seeing new growth coming out the top of the buds!!

[LetsSeeYa]

I think i will flower one inside Rusty, how long do you think with the cfl's? I guess it would take just as long as the first go-round, lol. My Edna turned out the best, because it was off to the side and i got some side branches out of her.

Man i want to get some lemon skunk, il bet its nice. I think you had said that strain was old school strain, not all crossed up to ruin it. I am going to find a good indica, its been years since iv seen any around here. Its a sham what people have done to some of the older strains, i remember smoking red bud and i know people thats never heard of it.

Your re veg really put out the roots guy. I thought you put them in bigger pots before flower. Also, im going to work on cloning too, powder or gel? I know you've probably used both and was wondering which you might advise. If its same, il get the cheaper one. I hate the always going cheap, but as of now i really dont have a choice living with this person that doesnt pay her share.

I really want to get a light. The cfl's are ok, but it just takes at least an extra month to flower. In time i guess.

Gotta show off the Edna Rusty, thanks again and im glad your here man :jointsmile:. These will go out to grow into a bush i hope, plus a couple of seedlings i had to put perlite in. Never bought perlite and got 5 gallons for 5bucks, so i will always use it from now on. Not sure of the yellowing, could have been the few hours in the sun, not sure? Im not sure how to use the Ph pen, it reads 7.1 always and the Ph um buffer solution is 4.0. Really dont know where to get the info how to use it, or how it works.
Sorry this post is umping all over, im in a rush and i had replied, but the site drop me or something and everything i wrote was gone, i was mad. The Edna is the second from the NL on the left.
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[Rusty Trichome]

Once normal growth kicks in, you can think of how you want them trimmed and trained. I try and not flower till they've had a couple of weeks of recovery time after their last trim. You can trim as often as necessary, as long as necessary...but roots will become an issue. If you can afford the setback, give trimming the roots a go on one, and re-pot in the same size pot. Helps to build confidence and self esteem, and broadens your horizons. (in a "been there, done that" kinda way ;)

Here's a few Clone Hints... (http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/168506-clone-issues-tell-me-what-you-guys-think.html#post1968565)
A couple more Here (http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/179795-when-all-sudden.html#post2057090).

I've been bummed about what backyard breeders have been doing to our base genetics, but it seems nobody in power gives a crap, lol. Had it been legal all this time, OB's (Original Breeders) could have gotten enforcable patents, and no more seed-bay. Oh well.

Will likely take as long in flower as the first time. The time advantage is mainly in the re-veg.

The LS I got is quite stony, but is looking weak genetically, so far. It got kinda cold, but I didn't think it was cold enough for the nanners they got. Strange thing is...no seeds. Not a friggin one. Went full to harvest, not even immature seeds. Has me intrigued enough to take clones and re-try.

You have to keep the probe moist at all times. Once it dries-out, it needs replacing. (sorry) Keeping it in some of the 4.0 solution should prevent problems, but don't let it evaporate, and keep from light. :thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Rusty, iv got my thread started in the outdoor section. I had began to write and got a lot of info on the thread, but then was booted some how and the thread i hadn't finished some how got posted, so look for the one with the pics in it. Before ya check it out, look at the recent pics i posted here. I was amazed at the growth i got. But my NL is looking a bit yellow. Iv been pushing the nutes so i gave it a flush, so will see. But that Edna looks perfect if i say so myself. lol Your advise is huge for me Rusty and plus il stop filling your thread by pickin your brain man:hippy: Oh and they still wont let me give ya Rep:wtf:

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[Joefarmer]

Lookin' good Rusty!

If I may borrow your re-vegging expertise...I've got some moms in hempy buckets that I put to 12/12 for about a week just to sex em'. They're sexed and are now back on 18/6. I will be taking clones from these to put outside, and the moms I don't want to keep, I'll put them outside too.

So I'm concerned about taking cuttings so soon after sexing/re-vegging. Will this affect the clones growth/health at all? They won't be put outside for another few weeks.

[Rusty Trichome]

The clones will focus on sending-out roots, and should be fine. Might take an extra day or two though.

Just make sure the rooted clones are showing healthy (no twisting of the fingers, or mutated leaves) new growth before you start hardening 'em up for outdoors. Are you staying in pots, or digging holes?

[Joefarmer]

Both pots (10-15gal) and holes (bigger than pots). Once they're rooted, they'll be put into small pots under some t5's, and once they're happy there, they'll then be hardened off and transplanted into the great outdoors.

[Rusty Trichome]

Good luck with 'em. :thumbsup:

[Joefarmer]

Thx. Another question; So I switched to 12/12, sexed em' in a week, then switched back to 18/6 7 days later. They have quite a bit of pistils.
So how long before they get back to vegging and how soon can I put them outside?

[Rusty Trichome]

I always try and give a 2 week healing time after taking clones, schedule changes, bonsai techniques, lighting (cycle) changes...

Once normal growth returns, you should be good to go. :thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Rusty, how goes the re veg? Ya been running around helping everyone:), but would luv to see your plants. Id like to see what they do inside. And the time it takes to turn them. I think mine took a bit over 36 days, but as im new, i have a problem keeping track of my dates. But i know that so im working on it.

Taking a couple clones today, but without gel or powder. Will see as cash issue. But read about making it with Willow tree new growth shoots. Cant hurt anything, but a few lower branch growth without killing yield to much. So il call it practice. Im trying something iv done with bonsai call air layering, will see.


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[Rusty Trichome]

I never tried cloning without hormones, lol. Got it coming out of my ears. My future idiot son in law keeps bringing me jars of the stuff, asking "Didn't you say you use this stuff?" Why the hell can't he remember I use potting soil....? 4 jars of hormones do no good if nothing's in the pot.

When re-vegging for outdoor growing, do you need to keep 'em indoors for a full re-veg? Would thnk a couple of weeks after harvest, and they'd be ready to harden-up and go again. Would think you could pull it off a couple of months before the lighting problems. (day length) But I haven't grown outdoors in 30 years, and have forgotten more than I think I knew.

Depends on strain for how long I re-veg. I usually start taking clones at about 3 to 3 1/2 weeks, but for re-flowering after re-vegging, it is really strain dependant. Different strains stretch more or less than others. Also depends on what's going to be in the growroom at the same time. I try and keep an even canopy whenever possible. Much easier than using milk crates or hand-made plant stands. (I'm a woodcrafter, so lots of scrap)

Not much happening with my ladies. I do have a re-vegged White Widdow (first week into flower) in a sea of C-99 x Sweet Tooth, (6th week) but wife's taking a nap so the camera is inaccesable at the moment.

I've got some adolescents almost ready to flower. Have to re-supply the seedstock for my favorite strain. Got dangerously close to forgetting, and would be heartbroken had I lost it. :eek:

I got ahold of some Jedi seeds and some Kali Skunk seeds reportedly from BC. I've heard differing opinions from growers and now I get to see for myself. Jedi popped with 1/4" tails and are in-soil, but still waiting for the Kali to pop in the paper towel. Damn slowpokes...

Here's a shot of the C-99 x Sweet Tooth from last week: (or would that be Sweet Teeth since there's more than one...?) I call it Cindarella Sweet Cheeks.
A squat sativa dominate, and is as tasty as it's name. I jumped the gun a tad though...Usually it's a hastle keeping 'em under 4 feet tall, but this time I topped it twice early in veg, and put 'em in flower early. Looks like now I'm about to harvest 2 foot plants. Oh well. I'll have to adjust my notes on the strain, and be less aggressive than my notes said I should be. :D

[LetsSeeYa]

I never tried cloning without hormones, lol. Got it coming out of my ears. My future idiot son in law keeps bringing me jars of the stuff, asking "Didn't you say you use this stuff?" Why the hell can't he remember I use potting soil....? 4 jars of hormones do no good if nothing's in the pot.

Well Rusty i have a roommate that doesnt pay her share around here or i would have all of the supplies i needed. She is my ex, but the house is in her name too. Long story made short, im trying to out last her. My daughter goes to college in Aug. so after my harvest if she doesnt go i am. I like it here as it was built for us and in the country. Sorta tough mowing and such, but looking for a roommate thats will split the bills and help make the outside nice. Of course share the hobby iv come to luv.

Not sure if you have read about using Willow trees for the natural hormone in it to help create roots. They say and il tell ya i hate when people say ''they say'', well who says, is my comeback. Anyway the garden site i was on talked about how they will fall into a creek and float down, only to root themselves in a bank. The site suggests collecting the newer growth and mashing it and boil it for a bit. Then strain the growth matter and the liquid should help root just about anything. The NL is really important to me, i guess like that strain you spoke of is so i really need to get a mother. I think this way i can get the gel at some point and begin to grow by clone as im sure its faster. Im having trouble getting my grows in on time so iv had to buy from dealers with no concisions. Small and seeded always, plus its always pinched, even tho i give extra money or a bud off the bag. Just need to always have it in flower and some in veg i guess. But if i move il have to grow in a box, which might be great for some people, but i like my house.

I guess if i sell some of my harvest id be fine, but just dont believe in it. Now il give some away, but selling it, no one could afford it as id bring a big price for all my work and giving it away feels better anyway.


When re-vegging for outdoor growing, do you need to keep 'em indoors for a full re-veg? Would thnk a couple of weeks after harvest, and they'd be ready to harden-up and go again. Would think you could pull it off a couple of months before the lighting problems. (day length) But I haven't grown outdoors in 30 years, and have forgotten more than I think I knew.

Well thats what i did inside to get them outside. If that makes sense. I grew out my plants and sorta cut the bigger buds off, then when the smaller ones got bigger i cut them off. So i had 2 harvests indoors, but then before i really cut them down, i took a few more buds, but left just enough to give me branch growth. It was a pic in your other log that made me think of it. It was a pic not to do, and that was leave buds on, because of hight issues. Well im thinking non out side, so il leave a few buds and go 18/6 to see what happen. They began to put out branches faster then i thought. It only took about forty days and i had one out in the shade, which was the Edna. The skunk, i didn't cut right, but at this time i wasn't sure what i was doing, but now im sure just what to do for branch growth to grow on the outer part of the plant. As far as root trimming, i just did what you do, the sides an bottom, then back to same pot with fresh soil to fill in. But next re pot, i put them into bigger pots without any cutting of the roots as i wanted a big root ball going into the ground. Now iv noticed that the inner growth is finding its self shooting from the sides of all of them. I thought id have to open them up to get all of the smaller branches going, but nope nature is a wonderful thing Rusty. And people are fools for not using this method. But next time id like to re veg a re veg, lol. I would do just what you do, but after the harvest, i would put it outside with branches that would already be there so leave just a few buds. Now id need 15 gal pots and a couple people to carry them, but i think its worth a shot. Harvest would be very nice and 2 plants is all id need.


Depends on strain for how long I re-veg. I usually start taking clones at about 3 to 3 1/2 weeks, but for re-flowering after re-vegging, it is really strain dependant. Different strains stretch more or less than others. Also depends on what's going to be in the growroom at the same time. I try and keep an even canopy whenever possible. Much easier than using milk crates or hand-made plant stands. (I'm a woodcrafter, so lots of scrap)

See it was more easy for me to go outside then grow them like you do. Iv never taken a clone to flower before, which iv been busy learning other things, but its something i need to begin to try as from clones ya know what ya got. And thats something i need to have with the hobby. It will keep me with jars in storage this way. If i had the gel/powder im sure i could do clones as growing pretty much comes easy to me, its just that this plant has so much to it, that it intreges me. I just want to know more everyday, but i read so much, yet everyday find something to learn. And i guess thats why im so interested in it. I do enjoy smoking, but 80% of it is watching it grow:)and i really never smoke till night time, to sleep and the pain that keeps me awake. lol, so the pain. Im taking enough pills so this keeps me from needing more of them.


Not much happening with my ladies. I do have a re-vegged White Widdow (first week into flower) in a sea of C-99 x Sweet Tooth, (6th week) but wife's taking a nap so the camera is inaccesable at the moment.
I've got some adolescents almost ready to flower. Have to re-supply the seedstock for my favorite strain. Got dangerously close to forgetting, and would be heartbroken had I lost it. :eek:

So what is your favorite, you never said? Never tried the others before, ya gotta remember as im new, i am used to weed being weed. No one has ever said iv got NL before. We do have lots of skunk tho and iv had NL, but people just get it from one to another and ya really never know. Stuff i got not to long ago was wet down, this way the can sell less for more, i was pissed, but all i could get as i really dont know any dealers.


I got ahold of some Jedi seeds and some Kali Skunk seeds reportedly from BC. I've heard differing opinions from growers and now I get to see for myself. Jedi popped with 1/4" tails and are in-soil, but still waiting for the Kali to pop in the paper towel. Damn slowpokes...

Here's a shot of the C-99 x Sweet Tooth from last week: (or would that be Sweet Teeth since there's more than one...?) I call it Cindarella Sweet Cheeks.
A squat sativa dominate, and is as tasty as it's name. I jumped the gun a tad though...Usually it's a hastle keeping 'em under 4 feet tall, but this time I topped it twice early in veg, and put 'em in flower early. Looks like now I'm about to harvest 2 foot plants. Oh well. I'll have to adjust my notes on the strain, and be less aggressive than my notes said I should be. :D

25 Years ago a friend was teaching me how to take clones from his giant skunk mother, but 3 weeks later i was in my wreck that put me into the chair, or id have been growing a long time. He was taught by a guy i never met, but was called ''daddy skunk''. He was an old guy that had the best skunk iv ever been close to and to smoke it was like Cheach an Chong stuff. And he would lite one after another, shew an oz was $200.00 and thats cheep, cuz id need $450.00 for my cross. And thats only, because thats whats going on these days. So thats why i never sell it, if someone gives you a sak your less likely to ask again. Its crazy these days Rusty.


The Cindarella Sweet Cheeks sounds nice and short buds smoke just as well i guess. I have been lucky enough to get a few different strains, but the NL will always be my favorite i think. If yours is as nice tasting like the NL, i would worry about running out myself. I have this mix batch of seeds that were bread by guys that know how its done. I feel very lucky to have been gifted them too, he said it was about paying it forward, which i believe in myself. So one day when im able to get my seeds stable il do for someone like he did me. Oh and when i went to my thread and saw ''i sent your beans'' Rusty i flipped out. Im not sure if she didn't know any better, but i did as i had put everything in an email. But ya gotta admit, those were hard to turn down. But il handle that sorta thing different next time.

So when ya get a chance id luv to see your re veg ya got going on. I re potted that 5 gal into the ground today, but put her in sideways. Its going to be big an maybe il try a SOG, but thats not in stone. I would had to bend it anyway as tall as it was getting im thinking it will at least hit 8'. She will be fine and put her near the re vegged ones where the bugs arnt so bad. But i thought id post her on my thread so i can see what she does. I had put rocks in that 5 gal plant last year and made it a bit easier to get out. But so root bound, it didn't have much time before it would have gotten bad. So i guess she can get as big as she wants now.

Talk with ya later my friend:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

Got some pix last night of the re-grow. The close-up is of the interior, where you can see the chopped mainstem. Re-vegged for a few weeks, been flowering for a week or so.
She's about two foot tall right now.

My favorite strain is what I call PokerFace. It was a medical R&D (research and development) indica strain from Reeferman I got around 6 or 7 years ago...? (wow...looks like a long time in writing...) He donated some seeds to a few of us medical users whilst I was frequenting another site. Said He'd disclose the strain name to those members that filled-out a grow report. I was the first and only member to do a grow report, but he never told anyone what it was.
All it said on the packaging was R&D Strain #1. I tried for years to get Reeferman to disclose the strain, but he kept ducking in and out of the forums, and wouldn't answer his e-mails or PM's.
But that's ok, because now it's my strain, and I'm ok with that. A few months after all this, he came out with a retail strain called Cherry Bomb. So if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and came from the duck-breeder...likely it's a duck....ya know...?

When re-vegging a re-veg...no changes in technique. After initial chop, when they are ready for transplant, I don't chop the roots for a second time. (looked like that's what you were saying that you do)

Hey Weezard: If you happen upon this post, any chance you could re-post that 'adding a picture with text' info from the Feedbacks thread that was deleted? I knew the thread was doomed, and I should have made a copy when I had a chance. Would appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Time to go make coffee and have a smoke...:jointsmile:

[GetThisOrDie]

Wow thats a crazy story behind your poker face. So you think its cherry bomb or maybe the indica he crossed with the herer for cherry bomb? That would be cool...

I wonder why he wouldnt tell you??

Pics look good... My first attempt at the reveg didnt go so well but I want to retry.

[Rusty Trichome]

Sorry...only took me a month to notice the post...:wtf:

Not being ReeferMan, all I can do is speculate, but I'm pretty sure he was still crossing it's genetics and preparing the strain for retail, and didn't want his genetics on Seed-bay before he could make his profit. (Cherry bomb lists a higher percentage of indica lineage than my PokerFace seed packaging said)

In my opinion, he's been consistently squirley since my first contact with him years ago. Seemed like he would hit a site for a while, sell his genetics, and move-on to another site. He puts-out great genetics, but seemed to be less of a people person than I. (hard to beleive, eh?) In his defense, word was that he was having business partner problems at the time too, so perhaps that played a part. (perhaps his partner got the indica genetics, he got the sativa's...?)

Cherry bomb is the only retail strain I'd buy if I had the money. Not just as a thank-you to ReeferMan for the quality genetics he donated to my wife and I, but to see if I'm right about the strain.

[laphter]

Rusty, I followed your advice to the letter except for the root trim. I have my "mother" plant in a ten gallon pot and I think she has plenty of root space for reveg. The coolest thing was after harvest I left four lower airy buds on three bottom branches, switched to 18/6 and dosed with 1/2 strength nutes and the airy buds are already starting to stretch out some nice fan leaves after one week. Great advice in this thread!

I think I owe a good bit to her genetics. These diesel plants seem to take a licking and are very forgiving. She made it through my first grow nicely and yielded over two ounces dry.

Question about training her during re veg. When would be a good time to start lst? I have read that after you cut down the main cola that side branches can be fooled into taking over the main cola spot if they are higher than the main stem, is this true?

laphter

[Rusty Trichome]

Once the shoots get long enough to twisty-tie, you can start. For an LST, I'd recommend training the side branches, and cull (remove) most the branches that are coming from the center of the plant, and/or those that are aimed twords the center of the plant. (depending on how many shoots you want to keep for the LST) They'll just get in the way later, or can develop into mainstem(s), making it more difficult to keep an even canopy.

Yes, it's true that the tallest branch (closest to the light?) get's all the glory. Something to do with the formation and use of certain auxins (hormones) in the plant, but I have no clear understanding of how the plant knows which branch to choose as the mainstem replacement(s). Possibly it's from quantity of light recieved and length and health of the stem, or perhaps it's the stored nutrients in the leaves...but I'm guessing here.

Trimming the roots after harvest is easier than the following process, but here's what I've done to successfully correct this situation...
Firstly, do you have a 15 gallon pot in case the roots go crazy?
If not, in emergencies I'll lift out the semi-dry rootball, (wet rootballs fall apart) add an inch or two (see below for how much) of fresh soil to the bottom of the pot, replace the rootball, add whatever soil I can get between the pot and the rootball, and water it all in. Gives a small percentage of extra space, but is a band-aid and not something you'll want to do every grow. But if you're careful it works better than dealing with rootbound issues for the second half of flowering, and might just give 'em a comfortable flowering cycle.
However much space you have between top of rootball, and the edge of the pot before doing all of this, is a good way gauge the ammount of soil you can add. Make sure to leave an inch or so for future waterings.

Did I explain that ok?

[LetsSeeYa]

Rusty, I followed your advice to the letter except for the root trim. I have my "mother" plant in a ten gallon pot and I think she has plenty of root space for reveg. The coolest thing was after harvest I left four lower airy buds on three bottom branches, switched to 18/6 and dosed with 1/2 strength nutes and the airy buds are already starting to stretch out some nice fan leaves after one week. Great advice in this thread!

I think I owe a good bit to her genetics. These diesel plants seem to take a licking and are very forgiving. She made it through my first grow nicely and yielded over two ounces dry.

Question about training her during re veg. When would be a good time to start lst? I have read that after you cut down the main cola that side branches can be fooled into taking over the main cola spot if they are higher than the main stem, is this true?

laphter

Well after i followed Rusty's log to re veg mine outside, i was able to leave it in 12/12 to catch up the others rewarded me with 3 harvest, before i flipped to 18/6. Not sure how ya trimmed her, but iv found that the outter most growth helps out in the end as it bushes out more then up. If you look at my current grow you can see what my cross has done for me.

But your so right about this thread, which should be a Sticky! Its the best tecneque iv ever seen. I dont understand why it isnt used more as you have a plant thats in front of you to work with and no seeds to wait on. Plus after a month its clone heaven:thumbsup:. Good luck man, i know it treated me well so far, but in the next month its going to get excitting:hippy:

Oh and i believe that the branches do take over as this is how i was able to get the other bonus buds to fatten up. You should come see what they look like re vegged outside, man they get big and bushy:D. But for me after the first time, i know just where to trim now for good branch growth. And your airy buds you left should turn into all branch growth so i hope ya have plenty of room.



:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

I feel like a proud papa. I'm glad you guys have benefitted from the experience, and have at least given it a chance before slamming the technique. (which is all too common in here) But the technique isn't a Rusty Original. I read about it somewhere, it sounded feasable, and I gave it a go. No magical incantations needed, no need to watch moon phases, no need for special tonics or teas. But somehow it still works. Go figure... :wtf:


I dont understand why it isnt used more
My guess is that it's a combination of fear of screwing-up, and the generally abrasive nature of the OP. :thumbsup:

[laphter]

Did I explain that ok?

Very much so, thank you.

[laphter]

Oh and i believe that the branches do take over as this is how i was able to get the other bonus buds to fatten up. You should come see what they look like re vegged outside, man they get big and bushy:D. But for me after the first time, i know just where to trim now for good branch growth. And your airy buds you left should turn into all branch growth so i hope ya have plenty of room.



:rasta:

I have room for the branches, but I have to box off a separate area for flowering the clones. I figure on rooting the clones with the mother on 18/6 and flowering in a grow box to save space. Thanks again for all the info.

laphter