TEST LAUNCH-Operation Redwood Tree

[Weedhound]

Welcome to my new log.

In this log I'm going to follow 2 grows, one very simple and a new grow doing something I haven't tried before. This time I'm going to try and go for the biggest plants I can get....and a record yield as well. :stoned:

I'll be using buckets like the one below to flower the plants with. I have two of them and each one will hold about 6-7 gallons of water (when half full which is how they will be used) in a DWC/drip ring setup that hopefully will have enough room to allow some good size to the plants I'll be growing.

[Weedhound]

There are a couple reasons I have not gone to bigger buckets for growing but the main one is because I really did NOT want a bunch of five gallon (or in this case....15 gallon) buckets sitting all over our teeny little house. We really just don't have the room for it. So I wanted a setup that I could start small and then transfer to something larger with minimal problem and stress to the plant at some point when needed during flowering. These plants start as a seed. They DON'T need seven gallons of water from the get go so I really didn't want to have to start them that way and waste large amounts of water and nutes.

The answer (we HOPE) seems to be the 8 inch net pot bucket lids. They fit nicely into the tan w/f buckets with enough extra room inside on all sides for the roots to grow down the sides of the net pot versus having to grow through the bottom of bucket only.

[Mr. Clandestine]

OOH... I was wanting to build something similar to this a little while back, but lost a lot of my steam because I'm such a noob at hydro. I'll definitely be keeping my eye on this thread. Thanks for inspiring my lazy ass! :jointsmile:

[zebulon]

I have a feeling his will be a good one...I'm really interested if you can grow monsters like Crispy did whit this cool equipment...
These buckets are huge, and whit that 1000w hps i believe you will set up a new record.....
Well, good luck WH...I'll be watching.....:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Thanks you guys I really appreciate you stopping by. Mr C....if you want to play with some hydro I'd be glad to help. :)

Zeb...I sure hope you are right.....I'm not at all sure I'll match Master Crispi.. :D but I AM going to make a play for it. ;)

[Weedhound]

Once they do get some size they'll go (still into their net pots) into one of the large 15 gal buckets. Originally I wanted to cut a hole in the middle-ish for the net pots but the acrylic we bought was 1/4 inch thick (we wanted sturdy and it actually took Mr Hound and a standard circular saw to cut so we improvised. But it IS sturdy.

There are two ten inch airstones in each bucket (which I may trade out for bubble wands....I'm still on the fence about them but Opie and MVP both suggested them) if I'm not happy with the way they work. And a little side slot on each tub to check ph, add nutes or whatever without having to lift the plant out of the bucket.

The pump has six airlines which is enough to power both tubs and their accessories.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Mr C....if you want to play with some hydro I'd be glad to help. :)

Ah, thank you very much Milady Weedhound... and you're already helping me out a ton by making this log. :jointsmile:

I'll absorb as much as possible here and in the deep dark recesses of the Hydro forum before I ask too many questions. I see this log quickly becoming quite dear to me!
:computerlove1:

[SnSstealth]

count me in.....very interested on this....being a dirty boy myself, WH and opie have been getting me close to wanting to try dro...rocks endeavors scared me though......lol, Im subscribing to this!!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth....good to see you (two :D) The seedlings will be going into the small setup today so there won't be anything really exciting for awhile yet.

My personal best yield at this point is 9.3 oz/plant. X-Crispis is 19 oz off one plant in his five gallon buckets. Now I don't know about 19 ozs but I'm going to aim for close to a pound off one plant. We shall see how close I can get. ;)

[SnSstealth]

holy shit!!! my best is 4oz...:dance: but thats because i used to use the lollypop method. loved how your looked though, exspecially the church..lol, take a look in my thread, you inspired me on a few of my plants...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

So WH, are you gonna get yerself a WoodMizer to make full use of the lumber you're growin' there? :D
I'm definitely watching in anticipation...

[Weedhound]

What do you think Stinky? (pssst...ones going to be a Power Plant....) will they grow a pound?

Thanks very much for the clone info.....Mr Hound is out right now getting dip n grow AND rooting powder......;)

Stealth I DO stop by and look at your log. I freely admit I don't understand the entire light thing....but I know some happy healthy plants when I see them. :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

I hope you catch a big one. Good luck.

[Weedhound]

Thanks much Opie....I'm hoping you hit your magic number (in cooking :D) as well. ;)

[Weedhound]

Ok, ok nobody's saying they're quite ready for the 7 gal DWC tub yet.. :wtf:

Someday (hopefully) we'll all look back and smile and nod over how small they once were. :cool:

First one is the Power Plant. Second...Brainstorm (NL#5 x Haze) which is supposed to be one of the highest yielding feminized strains and take between 7-9 weeks to finish if I remember correctly.

Last is all 4.....Nexus (rear left), Master Kush (from KUSHETTE :thumbsup:) age approx 2 weeks and the infants in the net pots.


PS....Clones are looking VERY good today......so far I like this RR method. :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

Someday (hopefully) we'll all look back and smile and nod over how small they once were.

Uh, you're not disappointed are you? Don't they all pretty much start out small?

[Mr. Clandestine]

Mrs. Hound-

Pardon my noobishness, but what sort of nutrients are you using for these seedlings? I'm assuming that even such young seedlings would need some amount of nutrients with their water in order to thrive... or am I totally wrong about that?

[Orzy]

That little hinge you have on the bucket lid is pretty cool.

[Shovelhandle]

This sounds like a fun grow, big as ya can grow.
I'm psyched to see things take off.

Shov

[Weedhound]

So I was noticing that my Dutch Dragon was starting to get that telltale "k def" thing going that is always a sign that I need to flush the plant. So I gathered up a bunch of ph'd water and poured it through. The CRUD I got out was REALLY TERRIBLE....I don't think we need to see a photo of it but it was scarily similar to what I got from flushing my Power Plant despite the fact that this plant shows no signs of illness besides the k def on the older leaves.

Given THAT input it occurred to me that we COULD put that stupid red bucket inside one of the tubs (I love the fact that this NEVER occurred to me the entire time we were making these things.....just yesterday.:wtf:) but long story short....in went the Dutch Dragon and she's already loving it. I think she's put on a few inches in the last 24 hour already. She also sucked up close to a gallon of solution in the same time period. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Hi Shov and Orzy...welcome to the log.

The plant in here now isn't going to be my big yielders.....she's more of a "practice" grow for the new tubs. ;)

[Weedhound]

Mr C right now they are on plain RO water with a drop (literally...drop) per 2 gals of water. There are alot of schools of thought on feeding seedlings but I've had good luck with my feeding sched......I'll post a link to it.....brb.

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/147458-weedhound-s-nute-schedule-hydro-botanicare.html

Here's my feed schedule and right now they are on week one.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Thank you! That's awesome, I'm loading up a bowl and getting ready to go over that post right now. :jointsmile:

[sublime27]

A redwood tree, lol. This sounds great, do you plan on topping or training at all? How long do you veg a plant that you want to get those results from?

Great log!!:thumbsup:
Good luck

[Weedhound]

Well sublime I'm not honestly sure yet. I do plan on topping at least once and I was thinking of vegging along the line of six weeks. My last few grows I vegged for five weeks and have run into rootbound issues (the Dutch Dragon is an example of that) so I'm sort of playing it by ear here...:)

This is also the first grow that I'm trying the 8 inch net pots vs my old red w/f buckets so there's a lot of new stuff I'm trying here that I'm not real sure about.

[sublime27]

I'll be watchin in anticipation thats for sure. The power plant, is it from dutch passion?

[Weedhound]

The breeder did not specify so I'm honestly not sure. I don't use my seeds for breeding....only to grow and toke so I'm not very careful about the background of them as long as the plant/smoke does what it is supposed to do.

I grew....or should say TRIED to grow a PP in my last grow and the thing grew so fast and strong it became rootbound only 4-ish weeks in and then developed some root mold or fungus so I had to "euthanize" her. :( I HAVE had rootbound issues in the past.....part of why I created these larger buckets......but that's the only plant I've actually LOST in hydro since I started growing. So I'm VERY anxious to try this power plant in a big enough setup.;)

Interestingly I've already had my first faux pas with this grow. I accidently watered them with some water that was 7.2 or something in ph.....not even sure how I accomplished that but I did. The power plant's leaves turned down for a day or so then bounced back. The Brainstom never even noticed and so far is blowing the power plant out of the water (no pun intended :D) in growth! Go figure!!

[sublime27]

I am jealous, I have heard so many good things about pp. I had vegged one out with a blueberry on my last grow but the blueberry turned out to be a cabinet hog and didnt leave any room for any other plants so I gave the pp the hack:( Mine also grew extremely well, it was a short stout little bush. I am looking to get into hydro so this is going to be a great log for me to learn from and get alot of tips im sure.

:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Just a few quick photos of her. She's doing very well and has definitely picked up since going into the larger bucket. This has pretty much been my "oh well" plant.....took some clones from her, more pruning then I like to do on a flowering plant etc etc....and she's still chugging along very nicely in spite of all of it.

[Hennessy1414]

Just a few quick photos of her. She's doing very well and has definitely picked up since going into the larger bucket. This has pretty much been my "oh well" plant.....took some clones from her, more pruning then I like to do on a flowering plant etc etc....and she's still chugging along very nicely in spite of all of it.

strain? :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

Lol, it's called Dutch Dragon.....in the title. How about sharing some of what you are having? :stoned::thumbsup::jointsmile:

[Hennessy1414]

Lol, it's called Dutch Dragon.....in the title. How about sharing some of what you are having? :stoned::thumbsup::jointsmile:

man im growin some bagseed. 400W hps with 4 cfls and one 23W daylight desk lamp. dont kno if thats doin any gud but hey its light. cant posy pics in fear of cops n such. post harvest pics tho. oh and i got 20 really green healthy clones that just rooted!:jointsmile: oh baby! and a little sprout and some white rhino my buddies vegging now and hes gonna put it outside on 4/20 :rastasmoke:

whassup

[Weedhound]

That white rhino will make you all droopy eyed and 'wha the...? " Got a good knockout punch to it. :thumbsup:

[Hennessy1414]

That white rhino will make you all droopy eyed and 'wha the...? " Got a good knockout punch to it. :thumbsup:

hopefully the weather will work for me. so lemmie get one thing straight! if a take a vegged plant from24/0 light(its been vegging for oh lets say 2 or so months) an put it outside. will that make it flower or will it keep vegging? and also does an outdoor plant have to be under the sun always(i mean does it have to be sticking out in the open or under some shrubs so nosey pricks dont nab it)! :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

Anything over 14-ish hours of light will cause the plant to stay in veg stage.....less (approximately) will flower the plant. Its way too cold at night for them too be outdoors anyway this time of year. More like around May.

[Hennessy1414]

Anything over 14-ish hours of light will cause the plant to stay in veg stage.....less (approximately) will flower the plant. Its way too cold at night for them too be outdoors anyway this time of year. More like around May.
colorado grows during may? :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

ha ha I'm in california...I wouldnt put a plant out until May.....Is colorado warmer than the foothills around Tahoe?

It depends on your lighting.....if your plant is outside and there is more than 15 hours of light in a day (some people say 16, some say 14) it will keep vegging. If there are LESS light hours the plant will flower. It doesnt matter how many weeks its been in veg or inside or outside or whatever.....the only thing that matters to the plant is how much light it is getting daily. If you keep changing it around.....18/6 then less, then more,, it may very well hermie due to stress.

[Hennessy1414]

ha ha I'm in california...I wouldnt put a plant out until May.....Is colorado warmer than the foothills around Tahoe?

It depends on your lighting.....if your plant is outside and there is more than 15 hours of light in a day (some people say 16, some say 14) it will keep vegging. If there are LESS light hours the plant will flower. It doesnt matter how many weeks its been in veg or inside or outside or whatever.....the only thing that matters to the plant is how much light it is getting daily. If you keep changing it around.....18/6 then less, then more,, it may very well hermie due to stress.

thanks hound. i lst'd it so maxium sun for it :rastasmoke:

its colorado of course bud is grown here=16 hours of light prolly :rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

So I've counted and double counted.....Today is Day 50 Flower and I took off a few over-crowded underveloped buds and we checked the trichs on them. To our great surprise they are abut 5% amber already on all the buds. I'm pretty surprised since I read this plant is a nine to ten week finisher.

Sooooo we put her on plain water.....the stuff on top seems pretty done (I like about 20% amber by finish) and we are starting to flush but kind of a lazy one since i'm still sort of shocked at the quick time.

We're going to try something a little different with this plant....since it's my "oh well" plant anyway. (PS...Check my C crowd log to see her CLONE!! :eek:.....my first EVER! :thumbsup:) We're going to harvest 1/2 the plant and give the half underneath another few days-ish to develop a little more with better light. I wish I had done this with my Cotton Candy mix which seemed to be along the same line.....very done on top but underlit on the bottom...so I want to try it this time.

[jimmy8778]

im jealous, i need to get a place so i can grow my own icky sticky weed, and only hope for something half as dank as this looks, but in good time, good things come to those who wait.

[Weedhound]

jimmy here's hoping a garden in every home is the wave of the future right? Tons of good folks here to help if you need any. :)

[Flameon]

a garden in every home is the wave of the future right?
Amen to that.

I'm so looking forward to following this grow.
It's still way too cold for me to plant outdoors over here, though I have the seeds and soil ready.
Still, in the meantime I can get inspiration for an indoor set up by watching you work your magic. Nice job!

[Opie Yutts]

I think most the time a plant should be harvested in 2 or 3 stages. Unless of course a person just wants to have 3 different kinds of smoke from one plant. It seems like all my buds on any one plant are never done at the same time.

PS. Don't ever have withdrawls. Holy shit.

[apoc04]

Ok big time noob here so here goes my question. I see your set up WH and I was thinking of trying something simialer but I am really unsure of the water schedule. I know with soil how the watering goes but have no clue with the net pots and bucket set up. If you or anyone here could give me some pointers I would be very thankful.

[Opie Yutts]

The water schedule is: change it completely once every 2 weeks or so. Food in the water after 2 weeks, starting slowly, building up to roughly 1200 parts per million or so (meter needed). Water occasionally with just water, or monitor reservoir PPM carefully. Change from veg food to bud food when you go to flower mode. And put lots of bubbles into the water schedule. Very important.

Oh yeah, a lot of people like to eliminate food from the water schedule during the last week or 10 days, to help get rid of any food taste in the bud.

[Weedhound]

What Opie said :D

I have a drip ring setup so I run the drip portion 24/7 with the higromite rocks (or if I were using hydroton for a medium). Different mediums will require different watering routines.

[apoc04]

Sweet thx Opie and Mrs. WH. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Any photos of your Redwood Grow? I'm anxious to see how we're doing, Weedhoud!

Shovelhandle

[bombdiggity]

this thread is getting me excited!

will check back soon

[SnSstealth]

the anticipation is killing me!!!! heh...any more choppy choppy? gonna harvest a few times?...thats what we are gonna have to do...probably harvest 3 times before our room is done...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth.....most likely tomorrow I'll take the top half......wanted things to flush for a day or two first then we'll let the rest sit for awhile and see what happens. ;)

[Weedhound]

Shov the trees are still babies.....I'm just trying to do entertainment in the meantime (:D)and try out a few different things in the setup to get the tweaks out. Going to be awhile before the "trees" appear. They are doing very well......both living up to their reputations and growing away happily.

Just fyi......I DID go to half strength on the Liquid Light and while I did not get the same HUGE results that I did with full strength I also did NOT get any burned leaves as I had been getting with the full strength solution. I'm going to try 1/2 strength every other day a few times and see how it works. Thanks Opie for the tip. ;)

[Weedhound]

this thread is getting me excited!

will check back soon

Bomb thanks for stopping by.....sorry but we're at intermission right now. :(

Guys maybe I have led folks in the wrong direction here.....this IS a log about trying to get a pound a plant BUT the plants were just germinated about 2 weeks ago and it will be awhile before they will be wowing folks with their screen debut. :D

Here's for in the meantime......

:joint1:

[Shovelhandle]

Shov the trees are still babies.....I'm just trying to do entertainment in the meantime ()and try out a few different things in the setup to get the tweaks out. Going to be awhile before the "trees" appear. They are doing very well......both living up to their reputations and growing away happily.


Hi WH, just was wondering what these redwoods mike look like as little seedlings. I know they aren't going to pop out of the ground with colas on 'em. <G>

And what kind are they again? (without me having to look at page 1. My dialup connection is slower than watching sativa mature.)

Good luck!

Shov

[Opie Yutts]

Just fyi......I DID go to half strength on the Liquid Light and while I did not get the same HUGE results that I did with full strength I also did NOT get any burned leaves as I had been getting with the full strength solution. I'm going to try 1/2 strength every other day a few times and see how it works. Thanks Opie for the tip. ;)

My pleasure. 1/2 seems plenty on my plants.

[Shovelhandle]

Power Plant, Braindamage (?), MK! It's been a busy, busy couple of months for me. I remember that first page and the photos when I first opened it.
And these have been some big yeilds for you in the past?

Shovl

[Weedhound]

Lol, Braindamage...LOL! I like that and if I ever invent a strain I am going to steal that name for it. :D

I'll grab some photos of them tomorrow....I should get in the habit of updating a photo once a week and update the specs as well. It's Power Plant and Brainstorm.


Ps....I really think I like Braindamage better.......:D

[Shovelhandle]

Weedy, I only run one small grow at a time, but I've been filing weekly digital photos as well as keeping my written jounal. I can tell a lot with the photos and dates.
But you have quite a bit more going on that I do, I betcha.

Sho

[Weedhound]

Well I did get some update photos but will wait until the site is moving a little faster to upload with my dial up. Having pc issues as well.

[Shovelhandle]

I've got that same problems with sllllooooowww 26.5 Kbs dial-up. Actuall through put is as low as 2-4 Kbs, with only one window open! :wtf:

Shov

[Weedhound]

So I'm on a temp pc and it's having trouble with the o's so if I miss an o just fake it....

These guys were put in the system on 3/11 and have been doing very well the whole time. I've actually been pushing them a bit with the nutes but cut back the Liquid Light to half strength and am glad I did.

Power Plant (first two photos) and Brainstorm. So far this Brainstorm seedling has been the easiest seedling I have ever sprouted. NOTHING seems to slow it down......so far that is.

[Weedhound]

Shov....so YOURE the guy using the other 26k of my dial up....we should coordinate our usage.....:D

[Weedhound]

So we ended up taking about the top two thirds of this plant....at about 10% amber (I was going to wait longer but on subjective bioassays found that she was plenty "relaxing" already.)

Figured I'd let the other third go for a few days and see if it did or didn't help the bottom third finish a little better. She's on just ph'd water right now.

[Weedhound]

Just tossed in for a bit of eye candy. These weighed out (25% of wet weight) at 86 gms. There's possibly one more oz still on the plant so about 4 oz when all is said and done.

[Weedhound]

I wouldn't grow this particular strain again but I have to give it props for just plain being a tough plant.

She seemed shocked for about a day and has bounced back somewhat. You can still see what a tangled mess of plant is left from the side view. Believe me she was that thick and bushy ALL the way through.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Killer looking eye candy! :thumbsup:

I'm fresh out for at least another month, month and a half. :( So, with that in mind, enjoy the harvest doubly for me!

[Weedhound]

Oh dear.....that sounds depressing!! Sorry to hear that Mr C.....we need to get you going with a nice little hydro setup.

[SnSstealth]

:stoned:goddamn WH....lookin YUMMY!!:stoned:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Not as pink as yours Stealth....how about a normal colored photo of your ladies?

[SnSstealth]

LOL....puttin a drop light in there soon so i dont have to carry the pots outta there for pics....day 26 bloom though...mad resin already too....cant wait!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Mr. Clandestine]

Oh dear.....that sounds depressing!! Sorry to hear that Mr C.....we need to get you going with a nice little hydro setup.

Haha, I'm still pondering heavily on it! Not sure whether to build a setup like yours, or I also have the opportunity to get some good hydro equipment for free (reservoirs, a few DWC bucket setups, and some other goodies) from a friend, but the friend who'd be giving it to me was raided not too long ago. So I'm trying to distance myself from him for a bit. Weird thing though, they took his lights and plants, but left everything else... growing apparatuses, nutrients, etc. Guess they didn't feel like lugging all that stuff down to the police station.

Anyhow, I've got some ladies that'll soon be going into the flowering room... now I've simply gotta hurry up and wait. ;)

[zebulon]

Nice work WH....great pix :thumbsup: I hope Operation Redwood will be a success...:hippy:

[Rock.Steady]

that DD is just amazing looking!

waitin onthe full harvest report :D

[SnSstealth]

damnit!!!! WH you keep converting all my dirty friends!!!....lol...j/k good luck hun, i hope the redwood is gargantuan...theres the word of the day;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Gonna take some pics in a few minutes but go check out my C crowd log.....the white widow went NUTS and I've put the whiteberry in a larger bucket as well so now she's gone kind of wild as well.

[Weedhound]

I like this photo so I posted it over here too.....figure it's kind of like the opening act thing......a taster.......:D

Oh...White Widow/Day 28 Flower in super-bucket.

[SnSstealth]

damn girl!!! that WW is going nuts! congrats:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

PP lost a leaf but other than that they both look good so no worries....yet. :wtf: :D :stoned:

[Weedhound]

That Brainstorm is a really nice easy grower.....she's quicker than that PP so far.

[Rock.Steady]

so, whats the latest?

[Krimet]

those plants look a lot nicer then mine at 3 weeks :wtf:, but lookin real nice weedhound, keep up the good work!

[zebulon]

WeedHound we need an update and pix....the crowd is getting impatient and wants some good news, or there will be a riot...:D

[xcrispi]

1 lb. plants ?
Are we there yet ? :stoned::stoned:
Holler when you get your real comp. back Sis.
Cpl. current pics. for ya.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

yoo-hoo...........where ya at WH?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Pics today guys......the Brainstorm has become almost......scary. I call her Fang. This plant is one of those things that's adorable when small (like buying an alligator or something) and then as it grows you start to see EXACTLY what it's shaping up to be.

I moved her into the flower room yesterday as I was honestly afraid to wait any longer. She's going to explode as it is I fear. If I hit a pound on one plant it will indeed be on that one.

The Power Plant has been struggling and I'm not really at all sure why. I think it's one of those "backward" growing plants that I absolutely hate. They don't grow up and out.....they grow in and down in a big twist and create huge problems for themselves the whole time and then end up with an average yield on top of everything because of it. So far i'm not seeing anything CLOSE to a pound from this plant but the last one I grew really went wild once I put into flower so we'll see. The roots on BOTH plants look very good so that's a plus. :)

[Weedhound]

We're also germinating two more......an Arjans Strawberry Haze which has popped (thanks Rock! :thumbsup:) and another Church seed. The new Church seeds I bought I'm having trouble with. I used a different seed company because my usual doesn't sell the church. Got the seeds with no trouble but AM having problems germinating them.....the first one didn't crack in five days and the second one is on day 3.....and I'm not seeing anything from that one so far either. The seed company is a very reputable one but THAT DON'T POP MY SEEDS NOW DOES IT? :wtf:

[Weedhound]

This plant and the Brainstorm are the same age.....yes....six weeks old from seed. I've been playing defense with this plant since about week 2.....when interestingly enough I started using my Liquid Light on both it, the Brainstorm and my WW clones. I'm only GUESSING that this is the problem......I've flushed the plant thoroughly although the roots look good (and always did) and adding H202 has changed things either........as a matter of fact NOTHING I've done has really altered the way this plant is growing including stopping the LL quite awhile back (and using it at 2/3 strength anyway) AND raising the light. All other parameters are normal as well. Opinions?

[SnSstealth]

kinda looks like that mystery problem we had...that we called "Ph problems"...lol...dunno what it really was
WT

[Weedhound]

I finally turned this plant yesterday. I was afraid to wait any longer although originally I was going to veg them....well....for six weeks lol. Fang has been topped TWICE already and is 22 inches tall from the top of medium. It's been quite a long time since I've vegged something this long before turning it and this plants is SUPPOSED to be one of the "highest producing feminized strains" so we shall see. (Northern Lights #5 x Haze)

So far I have seen this plant blink at nothing from abnormal ph to LL, trimming the roots, breaking off a nice branch and some leaves accidently and topping to try and keep her short. She just marches on regardless. THIS is a true weed!!! :thumbsup

[Weedhound]

oh we've been watching the ph Stealth and I did flush the plant....you are actually looking at its fourth set of true leaves burning up there.....count close and you'll see all the nodes stacked one right on top of the other. I'm seriously thinking of turning her because I think she'll do much better in flower but there's no damn room.....everything else is taking too long to finish. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Some quick photos of her here because she IS in a 10 gal tub. :D You can also see her and her daughters in my c crowd log. :jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

Looking like a big bushy bush, or something.

[SnSstealth]

nice shrubery:thumbsup:

[zebulon]

Beautiful plants Wh....:thumbsup: The WW makes me drool like crazy, she will be a great smoke for sure...
It's a pity that the PP won't grow, the other had problems too, ironically it's supposed to be an easy strain to grow...but i hope she will catch up during flower....
If you have time i would feel honored if you could check out my grow log (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145025-zeb-s-pure-cfl-grow-log-5.html) too, i have a little mazar plant currently....keep it up...:hippy:

[Weedhound]

Oh oh oh....I've wanted to try mazar for awhile.....I thought that was an outdoor strain.

[Opie Yutts]

I don't know if LL would cause problems like that, but I've never tried it on youngsters. I use it at half strength for adults, and when I try it on my next babies it will be 1/4 strength or less. I've been too afraid to try it at anything more than half strength because of it's godzilla-like results.

[zebulon]

Hey WH, i read in the strain talk part, that Mr.Hound uses the Church to threat insomnia....but i really would like to know your opinion....how is the buzz of the plant, how potent is it???

And thanks for checking out my log....i know my plant is not that big & sexy, but i hope that maybe, one day, i gonna get so nice looking plants as yours.....:thumbsup:

How much time has the WW left?? any sign of cloudy/amber trics??

[Weedhound]

oops.....

[Weedhound]

I'll try and get a root pic tomorrow....they look as good as the plant. ;)

[Weedhound]

Zeb I found the Church to have a good high but way too "indica-ish" for me....definitely one that will slow you down more so than the strains that I prefer. There are those that slow you down and those that just plain make you stupid.......I personally put the Church in the second catagory. But they definitely work the best for Mr Hound's insomnia (on a regular basis vs having to change strains around to avoid tolerance.) :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

She's doing much better (knock on wood) after being moved into the flower room. Now I just want her to stretch a bit.

[SnSstealth]

Fang is gonna be a MONSTER!!!! cant wait to see her all grown up!!!
so church is good for insomnia, so I am assuming its great for anxiety too...awesome!!!! my kinda medicine:thumbsup:....

[Opie Yutts]

There are those that slow you down and those that just plain make you stupid

So you're saying there are some varieties that don't make you stupid? Cool, I'll be watching for the mail closely in a few days. I could use a little smartening up.

[Weedhound]

Dude if you want to be half-conscious, jaw-getting-rug-burn, ass-pinned-to-couch-so-you-can't-get-a -tissue-to wipe-up-the-drool stoned then try the white rhino. ;) One speaketh from experience there. :wtf:

and yes....watch your mail. :D

[SnSstealth]

heh.......

[Weedhound]

Stealth I think Fang may end up being our biggest monster to date. ;) Think she'll give us a pound?

[SnSstealth]

in about 50 days, you will know my answer when i get a bus ticket...lol
WT

[Rock.Steady]

nice work:thumbsup:

ill b watchin the Power Plant, told ya how much i liked it:stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

Sounds like the big plant is doing very well, WH! I would love to try and grow a big tree also but I don't have room. I have 12 "trees" in a 4' x 3' space right now and they are packed solid. The problem was that I had no loss by attrition. No males and no funky midgets. <G> Maybe next grow. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy your project. Keep up the good work, Weedhound. :smokin:

Shovelhandle

[Opie Yutts]

The problem was that I had no loss by attrition. No males and no funky midgets. <G> Maybe next grow.

I guess this could mean you're one of those people that would complain if you were hung with a new rope.:D

[Weedhound]

Yeah I'm still wiping up the tears from Shov's last grow....:D

[Opie Yutts]

Dude if you want to be half-conscious, jaw-getting-rug-burn, ass-pinned-to-couch-so-you-can't-get-a -tissue-to wipe-up-the-drool stoned then try the white rhino. ;) One speaketh from experience there. :wtf:

and yes....watch your mail. :D

Well sometimes I do, and that's one good and long name for a type of stoniness. I agree white rhino can be good, but from experience, if you think that's good just wait till you try some heavily amber AK-47. My white rhino may have not been from a reputable dealer (RIP), not sure since it was a clone from a clinic, but I'd say that my AK is about twice as strong. Don't forget what's mine is yours.

"jaw getting rug burn" lol. I hope I don't do like the movie trailers and media, and hype something up so much that you're actually a little disappointed when you get to experience it. It's just been my experience, it might not be yours.

[Weedhound]

A lot of the ones like that make me sleepy.....that's what was funny about the rhino.....it DIDNT make me sleepy.....just a zombie....like sleeping but being awake LOL! I have to say it's the one that did that to me the most......usually I'll just doze off.

[bombdiggity]

ak made me feel like my mind and heart was racing.

wtf?

[Weedhound]

I need to study up on the AK.....don't know much about it. Only saw one dispensary that had it as well but it's one of those you always hear about ....like WW or something. Can't wait to try it. :)

[bombdiggity]

its really popular in VA where I used to live. so many growers growin only ak-47. shit was sellin for 70+ 1/8th too

EDIT: that power plant is looking good man, sorry to sidetrack ur log lol :)

[Weedhound]

There's another one you ALWAYS hear about.....Power plant. Let's hope I can get this one to harvest bomb. ;)

[SnSstealth]

I am having a secret affair with fang:jointsmile:....and AK is one of my top 3 strains...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

so THATS where she's been sneaking off to....:D

[zebulon]

I like Fang too, looks real energetic and strong....NL5 X Haze genetics, she has lost of grow potency for sure....gonna be a big one...

"Brainstorm is a sturdy plant with the power and yield of the famous
Northern Lights #5, hybridized with potent 100% Haze genetics.
Brainstorm has a solid, strong long lasting "high", combined with a
well balanced, soft smoking experience. Good for bumper harvests."

Let's just hope that the PP will yield too, and not gonna crap itself in the middle of the flowering, like last time....

So...do i see right that Fang is already in the big redwood tree bucket??

[Weedhound]

Zeb you slay me with that kind of stuff.....going and looking it up. I predict you'll go far in life. :thumbsup:

We've just started two new little hazes btw.....another SNL x NH (this one was our personal best yield to date.....9.3 oz) and an Arjans Strawberry Haze (thanks Rock. :))

[Weedhound]

Few more quick tidbits.....can't remember if I mentioned but the WW is on plain water and has been for the last 3 days. We will be harvesting tomorrow. :woohoo:

Whiteberry weighed out at 4 oz 20gm.....more than we expected by an ounce. Has a nice piney smell to it (sort of reminds me of Master Kush) and is a smoother smoke for something uncured than usual. The high I can't quite tell yet......doesn't seem sleepy which is already a plus imo.

Also....still working on that church seed.....damn SNL x NH already popped and been put in the system in the time that seeds been sitting there. :wtf:

Started another cotton candy F seed as well.....;)

[Weedhound]

Zeb sorry if I missed it but to answer your q Fang is indeed in the ten gallon tub.....the WB was no sooner picked dry than I cleaned it, bleached it and threw Fang in it asap.

I wanted to try and get a root photo but completely forgot that she's taped in there....but her roots are superb.....beautifully white.....more so than I have grown so far in the red buckets. Can't take it out though....bummer.

That power plant is a funny one.....really seems to do great in flower but both ones we've grown have struggled in veg then really went wild later (until that poor one got rootbound but I don't think that will be a problem here with the net pot). I remember the last one stretched out real nice to catch the light and so far this one is staying very short and compact so I'm already seeing big differences between them. Seems that the ones that stay short like that always yield a little less all else being equal......not so good in a pound-per-plant trial so I think we're all just going to have to keep an careful eye on Fang. ;)

[zebulon]

Sorry if my questions are a bit annoying....so here are another few...:D
How is the smoke of the cotton candy?? And have you tried the DD?? is there a big diff. between the sooner/later harvested bud??

[Rock.Steady]

Arjans Strawberry Haze (thanks Rock. :))

you are quite welcome dear ;)

a dirty lil cousin of your A.S.H. was veg'd 5 wks, topped once and is now starting week 4 of flower under a 250hps:thumbsup:

hope u dont mind the lil visual mini-hyjak:cool:

[d4twamp]

nice setup WH I too will be watching this grow, I was thinking of a system something like that also.. can't wait to see how fang turns out, good luck

later D:S5:

[Weedhound]

Cotton candy.....Nice up high....I'm less impressed by it than I am by the SNL x NH but I have several friends who absolutely LOVE it. I'm not quite sure what a "creative" high is but with the cc I find smaller projects more interesting and tend to go into more detail with a more relaxed attitude....but NOT sleepy which I really appreciate.

The big difference between that and the SNL x NH is that the SNL tends to take that same thing to the next level up imo.

Dutch Dragon......Mr Hound and I talked about this after the second harvest. The yield did NOT improve enough for us to repeat the process of a partial harvest again. The BUZZ.....much more knockout than earlier harvest.....but quite the same buzz....only much stronger. This stuff just made me sleepy and worked quite well for Mr Hound's insomnia. It's funny because DD was supposed to be more up.....75% sativa.....and I found it to have much more of a "sedative" effect. Between that and the ridiculous denseness of the leaves etc we won't be growing it again.

[Weedhound]

I'll let the photos tell the (short) story. :D

[rhizome]

wh- you really owe it to yourself to run the trim offa that to bubble.

Nice.

Preliminary bioassay data?

[SnSstealth]

mmm....someones gonna get STONED...lol
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

So we moved the 400w ballast into the growroom to increase our chances of success and yield. :thumbsup: We are running it off a huge extension cord completely out of the room because that's exactly how we blew the room out before.

So now the question:

Should we switch the mh bulb for another hps (the 1kw hps is a hortilux eye) or keep it as an mh? Which would be more effective.....another hortilux?

Thanks guys

[Weedhound]

Rhizome if that means make some hash thats EXACTLY what we're going to do!! We've got two big cookie sheets of VERY nice trim and then a bunch of white coated sugar leaves to boot!

NO prelim data yet!! :eek: Hopefully tomorrow......

Got two more of them going as well......:D

[rhizome]

Depends on how you're managing the room.

Fer instance, if your workflow permits, I really like to run under MH for the first couple of weeks of flower. I don't know how your rotation works- could you run under the four for the first 30% of flower and then slide over under the K?

Hang on- you've got a digi 4, don't you? :) You could run the 4 mh through stretch and then go to a hps , until you had room under the big light. The relative size of the lights would work out better if you were doing a high # low footprint cutting thing, but bringing stuff into early/mid flower under the 4 is a time honored thing.

I really like the hort blue MH- 400's even not that terribly expensive. ( K's are insane.) I think Stinky's running one @ the moment- check w/ her.

Sunmaster cool is a nice bulb, too.

I think that the hort en/hps bulbs are the best bang for the buck in the market, though I'm hearing crazy things about the CMH bulbs. ( Probs w/ CMH in the digis, by rumor... I dunno)

[rhizome]

Careful w/ that extension cord.

[Weedhound]

;)
Careful w/ that extension cord.

As in ? Don't trip over it? Don't plug it in in the bathroom? ALL tips appreciated......believe me!

[Opie Yutts]

Watch for it to get warm, or Lord forbid, hot.

[Weedhound]

Yes I'll be careful.....it's rated for 1875 watts btw. ;)

[Mr. Clandestine]

Looking great Mrs. Hound! :thumbsup:

Tried giving you a rep, but seeing as how that seems to be a pastime of mine, I must hurry up and wait before I can give ya another one.
Keep it up, those DWC buckets are kickin'... and most certainly working! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Well I just tried to rep you too for the kind words and I couldn't either!! :wtf:

She looks good but afraid to guess weights. Prelim data: Little bit grassy (duh) but nie smoke....not harsh even uncured and you can feel her coming at your right away. Not sleepy (so far.....) but we're just starting. :D

More bioassay data later today. :thumbsup: BEAUTIFUL white coating of trichs ALL OVER the buds.

(hmm now starting to feel her with the body stone.....) :stoned:

What's everyones favorite way of making hash.....keeping things pretty simple?


PARTY AT THE HOUNDS! :jointsmile:

[rhizome]

Bubble bags.

Hands down.

[Weedhound]

is that for the purity aspect? Are they reusable?

Rhizome Mr Hound wants to go solar with that 400w so we can dump the extension cord.....think that would be really difficult or expensive? (or anyone else's thoughts on this as well....)

[Weedhound]

ALSO......electrical related....most likely going to have to put our 4 inch 270 cfm infline back up and cool the 400 w that way through summer......how much wattage would we need to cover the startup power needed when turning both of theese on........any ideas anyone?

[Mr. Clandestine]

What's everyones favorite way of making hash.....keeping things pretty simple?

My method is as ghetto as it possibly can get, but it makes some pretty good bubble-hash, and only takes a few hours of preparation time.

First: Take as many frosted trimmings as you can get your hands on, and let them dry for a few days. Don't let them get too crispy, but you don't want them fresh off the plants. (Doesn't seem to work as well on fresh trimmings.)

Then: Get yourself a five gallon bucket, and fill about 3/4 of the way full with chilled water. Add your trimmings to the top, then throw in enough ice cubes to leave you with about 1" of free play at the top. (Works great if you have a lid for the bucket.)

After that: Take an electric whisk - inserting the whisk utensil through a hole in the lid, if you have one - and blend the ice/trimmings for at least a good 20 minutes. I usually go 30 minutes or longer, depending on how heavy the trichomes were.

Lastly: Let the mixture sit for about an hour, adding more ice if the old ice melted. I like to give it another good whisking (sp?) after an hour, just to make sure I've knocked all the glands off the leafy matter. Let it settle again. After that, get a fairly fine mesh sieve, and take out as much of the plant matter as you possibly can. (If you let it sit long enough, most of the plant matter should have floated to the top.) After all the leafy stuff is out, then take the bucket and drain it into another bucket through an industrial sized coffee filter. Repeat that process several times until you find that nothing is accumulating in the filter anymore.

Then press all the excess water out of the filters, and you're left with a nice crumbly golden mess that easily falls from the filter! Bear in mind, this isn't the most pure method, as you'll still have some leafy matter stuck in the hash, but it's not noticeable enough to cause any concern. And the end product is REALLY nice and bubbles up just like "pollen" you'll get from Bubble Bags.

A little ghetto, like I said, but it works in a pinch! Take care. :jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

I've never made hash, but I've seriously been considering getting a 5 or 8 bag set. I thought about making some bags, but I think rhizome kinda talked me out of it, or at least that conversation never went very far. If I remember right, it's probably better to just shell out the money to the guys that make them professionally.

If you are going solar anything, it's better to set things up so that the power is routed back into your house overall, instead of trying to power individual things. If you don't use much power when it's sunny, you may need to store some in batteries, otherwise it just makes your electric meter run slower, or in some cases it will even run backward. Some people even end up having the electric company pay them, but I'm not holding my breath on that one any time soon.

I'd love to have an extra couple hundred grand laying around to line my roof with solar panels. I studied the sun as a future energy source in college. It's not going to replace dams or nuclear power plants any time soon unfortunately, but it is feasible for those of us in sunny locations. Like you WH, you lucky dog.

[SnSstealth]

shower curtain hash!!!
big garbage can...kitchen size i use
trash bag...see above can
polyester shower curtain, hold it up to the light, if you can see the holes by pulling on it lightly...your golden
drill with paint mixer attatchment
bag in can......shower curtain, in can....tape it up good to the can!!! add dry/frozen trimmings, get that drill going!! it keeps the terpenes and even some cannabinoids since you arent using water...drill for about 3-4 minutes....walah

or mr. Cs method worked for me many times as well before thring this...both good
whiskeytango

[justanotherbozo]

awesome stuff man. i just found this thread and, like, wow, LOL, now i have to go look at some of your other threads.
i truely love the creative power of the canabinoid enhanced mind.
please come take a look at my meager fumblings at DWC, i can use all the help i can get!

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[chinacat443]

for what its worth, i would deff. be using another hortilux eye hps.
:thumbsup:
thats what i use in a VERY small space (4x4x4), and the 9 bitches i shoved in there, did well with alot of lst'ing.
:pimp:
it gets real hot. i made a cool tube from info found on this website.
im hitting like week 8 of flower with signs of harvest in a week and a half.
ill show results to give an idea of the power if just one...

[Weedhound]

Think I agree Chinacat.....the ballast is digital and can use either type of bulb. We can't really do what Rhizome suggested as far as starting under one and then using the other so I believe we'll grab another hortilux and go with two. ;) (PS did hook up the 170 (not 270) 4 inch inline to the reflector....already a bit cooler in the room.....especially with summer still ahead....:wtf:)


Bozo, thanks so much for the kind words.....I'll stop over and check your grow for sure. :)

[d4twamp]

Weedhound I'd go with the hps for veg and flower, but thats just me...

I'm using a thouie on a 6ft track w/ light mover... wish I have more cash for the digi though.

good luck on the redwood can't wait...

later, D:S5:

[Weedhound]

Hi d4....thanks for stopping by the log. :)

We were runnning the 400wmh in the veg area but decided it would be more useful in the flowering room since we are growing bigger plants these days so right now we've got cool cfls for the new seedlings (3 of them at this point.)

[xcrispi]

Somebodys got the BUG . :D
Now I see why all the electrical questions offsite .
Good to finally hear from ya Sis.
Haven't been around here much lately .
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Hey X-C!!

Yes....questions like how do you call an electrician for your grow room etc? lol. Know you've been busy.....we need to catch up. :)

[Shovelhandle]

35 years Master Electrician
Local 300 IBEW

Shov

[Opie Yutts]

I'd say you just read up real well, be careful, and DIY. Other than that, maybe a friend of a friend knows someone who's trustworthy and not an ass.

[Opie Yutts]

There you go. Exchange email addresses with Shovelhandle. I assume he's not a fed or a narc.

[AliceDee]

Wanna see some gnarly marijuana trees? Check this out, guys runs 3k watts and 6 plants (organic). About 4:40 is the biggest trunk lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqYZFIaYGK8

[Weedhound]

Lovely growroom....I watched a bit of it....once he started identifying each individual bud I got a bit lost.....not quite THAT interested but he certainly had some nice weed growing.

If anyone watches the entire thing did he mention using C02?

[Weedhound]

And Shov could you drop by after your regular job and rewire our growroom? :D Neither Mr Hound nor I really touches and/or plays with wires and electricity. Opie (or Shov) you mentioned feeding the power back into the meter. We were hoping to add more power to that specific room only so we can dump the tree trunk extension cord. Something along 500 watts perhaps......is it doable or not worth the energy and/or expense? :confused:

[xcrispi]

Hey Sis. ,
I'd take a pic. of your existing fuse box / breaker box while it's open and email it or post it so Shov. can look at it . You house is dinky , I bet it's not even got a 100 amp box .

We had the same problem when I got the 3000watt "MAX POWER" bonner too . If the service isn't all loaded up already someone could come and eliminate a circut temporarily so you can add a small sub panel powered off the circut you eliminated and rerun it off of the subpanel as well as everything in Mr. Stretchys room too . This would be much cheaper than having someone come and install a larger breaker / fuse box .

Not something I'd advise the average homeowner doing though . My guy got 150.00 plus parts to do it but he likes me .

Crispi :stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

i have'nt seen any posts about particular electrical installation your refering to. but glad to give some yes/no answers about circuits. wire sizes and such. not a fed or a narc. carl05478 at msn dot com.
ps
3000 watts isn't a a real lot. An old household service rated at 230 volts 60 amps can safely handle 12,000 watts (peak rating of 13,800 watts)

Shov

[SnSstealth]

welcome back crispi, aint seen ya round in a while, WH, I would have to agree with opie, either talk to a few co-ops see if they know a "friendly", or read up and DIY, thats what I do...I have popped the shit outta myself a few times, lol...but it was kinda fun:thumbsup: it was only 110 though...if you do DIY, FLIP THE BREAKERS before ya do anything...lol, or, just get shov:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[Shovelhandle]

Crispi uses a 3000 watt power box with breakers and outlets. That might be nice for you, WH. The wiring from your panel to this box would be standard 12/3 romex from a two pole, 20 amp circuit breaker. If you don't have room in your existing panel have it upgraded by an electrician and you will have the room to add this breaker. Watch the electrician and ask questions. <G>

I'm waiting for my harvest before I can let the cable co. in to install phone-TV-internet wiring. Six more weeks???

Shov

[Weedhound]

Appreciate the info shov...but we're on rotation here so there is no way of clearing the room out. The guy can work OUTSIDE ok.....but not in the room unless we're willing to toss a few good plants (agggggg!!!) and pull the curtains and everything down.....even then we've got seedlings out in the living room.....could slide those into the bedroom but you get the idea......

Is there a way to have someone come out and do some work on the outside panel without him going into the room itself or would that simply be too suspicous to get away with?

[rhizome]

WH-

I'm just "anti-extension cord" on principle. I think that they're riskier than they're worth, and it's easier to tell folks " Don't use extension cords" than it is to get them to understand when an extension is and is not appropriate.

If it's just a matter of not having headroom on the circuit that your room has been running off- why not just add an outlet to the circuit that you have the extension cord plugged into now, with the wire snaked over to an outlet box in your room? You may not wanna screw w/ your breaker bok, but snaking some wire and adding an outlet are well w/in the purview of a motivated homeowner.

Then you can start scheduling to have a proper power point installed a cycle or two down the road, when the room is empty.

Yer gonna wanna get that room empty for sanitation once in a while.

[PlantHeadJ]

Hey WH,
You are doing an awesome experiment! I will be watching to see how you make out! As far as elecrtical....I pay people to turn on lights for me, kinda scared of the juice...hehe. Keep up the good work! My grow log is also in intermission due to waiting for beans. Have fun and be safe, Plant

[Opie Yutts]

I like rhizomes idea if you end up not getting an electrician. If you don't mind crawling under the house and drilling a hole or two, it's pretty easy to run a line off an existing outlet and install a new one. It doesn't have to look pretty. I highly recommend the 1,2,3 Home Depot book for reference, or a simple inexpensive electrical DIY book, also available at Home Depot. If you use a little common sense, electric work doesn't have to be scary, especially if you turn off the circuit breaker first. And like SnS suggests, it's fun to get shocked.

On the other hand, if I were in your shoes and wasn't going to DIY, I would probably anonymously call around and ask what electricians would be willing to be open minded and work on room that serves as a legal grow room for a medical patient. I don't think it would be much of a problem, but I might be worried about the electrician either being a thief, or flapping their jaws to their thief friends.

WH please check your email soon.

[Rock.Steady]

Ive done workin this field.

if u must use extension cords, u should use the expensive ones AWG12 or even AWG10 if ur running big loads.
u will find this rating on the cord itself and the package when u buy the ones u really need;)
each main cord should go to a separate circuit in the house,
take the time to identify breakers with as little useage as possible.
u should always try to stay at 75% useage on a breaker.
add up the appliances amps ratings on a circuit.
for a 20 amp breaker, try to stay no higher than 15 amps of useage.

do u follow so far?

[Weedhound]

Do I follow??? :S2: HELL NO! I'm having trouble wrapping my teeny brain around the extension cord thing. (I'm scared of them too Rhizome...)

Hey Rock...your thoughts on the solar thing?

[Shovelhandle]

keep cords short. a 14 AWG (american wire gauge cord)- no more than 1200 watts continuous load. a 12 AWG cord- no more than1800 watts. How's that sound?
As far as protecting a residential circuit like this, the new AFCI (arc flash circuit interuptor) is wonderful piece of mind. This is a special circuit breaker that is now required in living areas of all new homes and major electrical upgrades. The breakers for a single 15 or 20 amp outlet circuit may cost $25-30 bucks at Home Depot. Worth evey penny.

Any questions now?

[Rock.Steady]

WH, listen, each "appliance" has a load rating in AMPS.
stay away from 14ga (sorry shov) unless its 6 ft in ur room.
12 ga (12 AWG) is the rating u should use for main run to any selected power source,
check ur breaker box, look if its 15 or 20 amp breakers.
then add up all useage on that line.

2 man test.
1 person flicks breakers, whilst other identifies outlets affected by this breaker.
then add up amps on that circuit.
for a 20 amp breaker, try to go no higher than 15 amps.

i can explain deeper if needed.

or

what is not clear?

i will go back and read for solar idea.:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

i can come over and wire up some new runs if needed.

but, let me know and ill check on flights:wtf:

the 20 amp cord will help until u can get someone u trust to hook u up.






honestly i am tempted to just hop a flight,LOL

edit, hmmm, buy me a ticket and the materials???:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Rock thanks for the very kind offer......unfortunately we've just had some extremely bad family news today that I won't go into but suffice to say our grow will be on the back burner for a few days....but we'll update the log when we are able.

Think kind thoughts for us .....thanks all.

[Rock.Steady]

2b honest, i dont pray (hate to lie bout that one), but the best thoughts and wishes I have are being beamed ur way via osmosis and karma:)

hope all works out as best as possible.

[Shovelhandle]

In this country most of our lighting fixtures, TVs stereos, etc. are rated in watts, so that's why I converted the amps to watts. No problem with wiring 1000 watts of light on a 15 amp circuit (which will have 14 gauge wiring. Also, make sure the plug on any cord fits in the recepticle snug. This is very important. Replace any old warn out recepticles.

Also when you shop for an extention cord you'll find that 14 gauge is a very stout cord. The lighter gauges are 16 awg and 18 awg, which you'll find on reading lamps and such. You will not find 10 awg extention cords anywhere around here. 12 gauge is the max. It never hurts to oversize wiring though. Personally, I have an outlet right over the grow with the timer and power strip with a circuitbreaker. No extention cords.

[rhizome]

WH- sorry to hear about yer bad news.

Let us know if there's anything we can do.

[SnSstealth]

may good vibes find ya WH....hope all is well
whiskeytango

[Mr. Clandestine]

You're in my prayers, Mrs. Hound. Hope all goes well for you in the coming days. :1baa:

[Weedhound]

Yesterday to cancer.....very surprising diagnosis that dropped right on our heads pretty much out of nowhere. So much for all my veterinary experience and (ha!) knowledge.

He was only 5 and 1/2 years old.

We are extremely blessed to have had him for the brief time we did.

PS....Mr Hound is having some medical tests done tomorrow as well.....please pray (or think kind thoughts) for normal results for HIS tests for us.

Thanks everyone.

[Opie Yutts]

Holy crap you scared me with that title. I am so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad it's not an actual human boy. I lost a dog last year too and I know how bad it sucks. I'm very sorry to hear it. My 4-year-old still just doesn't get it. He keeps asking when we can do things with Copper again. Best wishes to you and yours. Thumbs up to Mr. Hound getting a check up. I hate the thought of going to a doctor or hospital, but I'm glad I had one a few months ago. I found out anemia is what's probably been making me exhausted all the time. (Still gotta look that up.)

[Weedhound]

Anemia is a somewhat vague answer......that's kind of like saying he died because he stopped breathing.....

We don't have any human children so our pets ARE our kids but I agree.....animals are NOT people and while we love them and miss them (I'm still crying just thinking about my guy being gone) losing an actual person is MUCH more horrific. So lots of prayers please for some good results for Mr Hound.

Thanks all.

[Shovelhandle]

absolutley best wishes and positive vibs for Mr. H.

[Opie Yutts]

Anemia is a somewhat vague answer......that's kind of like saying he died because he stopped breathing.....

We don't have any human children so our pets ARE our kids but I agree.....animals are NOT people and while we love them and miss them (I'm still crying just thinking about my guy being gone) losing an actual person is MUCH more horrific. So lots of prayers please for some good results for Mr Hound.

Thanks all.

Yeah, I know it's vague. I got another appointment monday to explore this funness in greater detail. Great, more needles.

I certainly did not mean to down-play your loss. I know that people love pets the same as they love people. I was completely med free and not exactly awake yet, and your title just shocked me. I got upset until I scrolled down a little and saw the picture.

Absolutely I will pray for Mr. Hound, and you.

[SnSstealth]

best wishes to you and Mr.H...I too have 2 four legged children, and I work as a dog trainer...usually like em more than people...sorry for your loss...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Oh Opie I KNOW you weren't playing down our loss at all.....forgive if I gave you that idea...I actually thought about that when I wrote the title but didn't change it because the title really says whats in my heart about him. :(

Hope you find out whats causing the anemia....i was just talking to someone the other day about anemia in men.....much more uncommon in men then in women...hope all your tests come back with A+ as well.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Stealth. What do you train them to do?

[SnSstealth]

obedience, K9, explosive, narcotic..(heh) and cadaver dogs...basically everything...
whiskeytango

[PlantHeadJ]

Hey There WH,
Sorry to hear of your loss. I am a wildlife rehabilitator as well as a horticulturist. I lost my mutt of 14 years last year and still think about him. My Mother's Border Collie broke his leg a month ago and we had to put him down. The saddest days of all...We are thinking of You and Mr. H!! Keep on keepin on!

[zebulon]

Sorry to hear about your loss WH.....loosing the loved ones sucks bad, but if your boy had a good life and he felt your and Mr.Hounds love till the end, than that gives some relief, i think....

I wish the best for you and Mr. Hound....

[Shovelhandle]

yes, my sorries too. I love my pets very much and know how it can be.

Shov

[rhizome]

Weedy- I'm very sorry about your loss. I lost my boy a few years back- Some little part of me always expects him to come running when I get home from work, and is always dissappointed when he doesn't.

It's funny- I've lost many people in my life, and been OK w/ it- but I still get teary when I remember a cat.

But he was my best friend, damnnit!

Easier to lose people, because you get to say goodbye, and know that they knew what you meant.

I'm very, very sorry- It's a bitter thing to outlive someone you love.

[Weedhound]

Wow....everyone's good feelings and well wishes REALLY help....you guys were the first folks I told even before my family (except Mr Hound of course)

I've had my share of dogs but even then he was QUITE special....one of those things where you know you've had contact with something really spectacular.....he will be very sorely missed.

Thanks again everyone.....you guys are the greatest group ever.

Ps.....Hopefully will have Mr H's test results by Monday....will let everyone know then.
:)

[SnSstealth]

i hear ya WH, my pit manson and i share a bond i dont have with any other dog, and even almost all people, I dont know what i will do when its his time...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

I love the pits and the staffies......just won't have them while I have so many other animals.....but then again I'm not a dog trainer. I had one pit i couldn't do a THING with.....hired a trainer who rolled in and had her doing back flips on command in no time.....never raised a hand to her either. I was NEVER able to train dogs like that so am impressed by those who can. (Ps...within a month she back to normal....needed him around to STAY trained because I just dont KNOW what I'm doing with that stuff.....)

[SnSstealth]

lol....yeah, you gotta have LOTS o time and devotion for the pits...gotta go off topic for a sec...I want your opinion on this light...ballast is internal too!...not replacing the LEDs...lol, but starting another room....wanna give those SNLxNH some good light :thumbsup: I am looking at the 400w with deluxe bulbs...tell me whatcha think

Pulsar Two-Way HP/MH Mini Plant Grow Lights by Sunleaves at Home Harvest Garden Supply (http://homeharvest.com/SunleavesPulsarMini2Way.htm)
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Hey cool set-up....I like it. You know I found 400w of mh lighting a bit tough on my seedlings and having moved the 400 w into the growroom (where it ROCKS btw!.....just need to work out the electrical) and just bought a 250w mh w/internal ballast. I'll grab a pic in a few.

My seedlings honestly seem happier with a 250 and I can get it closer to them. Obviously it doesn't have as big a footprint as with a 400w so might be too small for your needs depending on how many seedlings you are going to be starting but I'm already seeing less heat and stress related issues with the 250w.

I'm not sure what to tell you about cooling Stealth.....when we had the 400w in a LARGE room the heat it left was minimal (approx 20 x25 ish)....but in the growroom(16 x 12 or something) I ended up hooking it to a 4" inline fan and DO notice a definite difference in the room cooling by perhaps 3-4 degrees with it running inline vs venting into room. I'm thinking that your new room will be smaller and may need some sort of good ventilation to assist.

[SnSstealth]

Im trying to go for a one light setup...space is an issue, your right, and the measurements on that one are great, and its total 800w that run together instead of switching bulbs...full spectrum broo haha....i think...lol
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

oh....that is a swap setup....lol
the full spectrum i found is like 600 bucks for the 800w combo...ouch

[Opie Yutts]

If you have cable or satellite be sure to check out "The dog Whisperer" and "It's me or the Dog". The latter is a British? version of the first. Good, interesting shows my whole family can watch and enjoy.

Evidently it's all about the trainers' thoughts and attitudes. Just remain calm, think good thoughts, and say "Shhh!" to your dog if he/she does something undesirable. Just spend 5 minutes doing this initially, and 3 seconds each day afterward, and your dog will be trained. Right SnS? Works on TV so it must be true.

I do it a little differently. When they do bad stuff they get the "No, bad dog" in a firm tone. Sometimes they even get a spanking if it's soon enough after the offense, and if I think I'll be able to make them understand what the punishement is for. When they do good stuff they get the "Good girl!" in a tone of praise, along with lots of attention and petting, and maybe a treat. I try very hard to not lay a hand on my dogs, but sometimes when they are young the firm tone just isn't enough. A delicate blend of positive and negative reinforcement. Is this about right whiskeytango, or, oh forget it. I'm rambling, and in the wrong forum. Cheers everyone. The sun is shining today and the meds are now kicking in.

[SnSstealth]

If you have cable or satellite be sure to check out "The dog Whisperer" and "It's me or the Dog". The latter is a British? version of the first. Good, interesting shows my whole family can watch and enjoy.

Evidently it's all about the trainers' thoughts and attitudes. Just remain calm, think good thoughts, and say "Shhh!" to your dog if he/she does something undesirable. Just spend 5 minutes doing this initially, and 3 seconds each day afterward, and your dog will be trained. Right SnS? Works on TV so it must be true.

I do it a little differently. When they do bad stuff they get the "No, bad dog" in a firm tone. Sometimes they even get a spanking if it's soon enough after the offense, and if I think I'll be able to make them understand what the punishement is for. When they do good stuff they get the "Good girl!" in a tone of praise, along with lots of attention and petting, and maybe a treat. I try very hard to not lay a hand on my dogs, but sometimes when they are young the firm tone just isn't enough. A delicate blend of positive and negative reinforcement. Is this about right whiskeytango, or, oh forget it. I'm rambling, and in the wrong forum. Cheers everyone. The sun is shining today and the meds are now kicking in.

lol...i pretty much am the same way as you opie...I am quite firm training...but praise is given for correct actions....and i wish it was like dog whisperer...lol, I would turn over dogs so much quicker=more money...but that shit takes a good bit of time...they dont tell you that on the show...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

We bought this Econogrow mh light a couple days ago and put it up. So far we really like it but it's pretty heavy and the side with the internal ballast took TWO yoyos to hold that side up correctly.

The heat is pretty much nil unless you actually touch the reflector itself. The seedlings LOVE it so far.

[Weedhound]

Well dogs aside horses are a LOT along the same line (just nineteen times bigger and more stupid) ....you get on a horse believe me you are TEACHING it SOMETHING....either good or bad and I'm sure dogs are the same way....the interaction is there no matter what.

I HAVE seen my share of "horse whisperers" in action and they are indeed as impressive as they seem......they'll have those horses dancing around on one foot with one quiet word...and again....never a true hand raised. The only time this is suspended is if the horse actually tries to hurt you (malicously) then kick the shit out of him. If you can that is, lol.

These new styles of training ARE the wave of the future....they WORK. And they are much more healthy for both trainer AND trainee then the styles you and I were raised with. They need to go through a generation or so to be imprinted but I for one am THRILLED to see the changes coming in this field.....even if I couldn't do it myself if my life DEPENDED on it with either a dog OR a horse.

[Weedhound]

Stealth....clarification.....

the 400w will run either the mh bulb OR the hps bulb at one time....you have to switch them back and forth.....400w at once only. That's the way I understand it.....are you thinking something else?

[Opie Yutts]

Aw yes, the ol' 2 yoyo technique. To be outdone only by the 3 hot wheels set up.

I've got to know why you went with HID for seedlings instead of something a little less... drastic, like fluorescent. I've found that my seedlings don't like HID light unless it's a mile away. Also is that plexiglas around them or what? Is that to help keep the warmth and humidity in?

[zebulon]

Is that plexiglas around them against the weed eating killer cats??

[Weedhound]

Ding! We have a winnner....Zeb! :thumbsup: We've lost two seedlings to those bastards and we're sick of it! :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Opie I know exactly what you mean.....both about the hot wheels AND the HID. :D

We WERE using some flouros but they just don't have the footprint we want. I thought the 400 would be easy on the seedlings but it wasn't as much as I had hoped. The 250 seems juuuust right.

[SnSstealth]

i could get a switchable set and use a 250mh and a 400hps yeah? if its strong enough for the 400....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Your asking a different q now......I'm pretty sure I read something about not interchanging different sized ballasts/bulbs but I'm not 100% positive.

Stealth if you're going to start a fair amount of plants you most likely WOULD want the 400 vs 250.....when you think about it a 2' x 2' area really isn't very big.....while it works for us remember we've only got 4 plants going under it at any one time maximum.

[Opie Yutts]

i could get a switchable set and use a 250mh and a 400hps yeah? if its strong enough for the 400....
whiskeytango

Sorry, no. New technology is coming out all the time, but as far as I know your ballast must still match your bulb wattage.

[Weedhound]

First photo: left to right.

Sour Northern Lights x Neville's Haze.

Arjan's Strawberry Haze.....this gal has stayed very short which kind of surprised me for a haze.....She doesn't seem to be a backwards plants or anything.....just shorter than I thought she would be.

Photo two: Cotton Candy.

[Weedhound]

Our two remaining WW clones....one in soil and one iin hydro.

We JUST transplanted Sal (the soil WW) from a three gallon bucket to a five gallon....and HOPE that's the last one she needs. I've tried to follow Stinky's advice here and do several transplants as opposed to just starting Sal in a larger pot and guess what.....Stinky was right! (shocker :eek:!)....the plants DO like it. :thumbsup:

The WW in hydro was topped once and turned a week earlier than Sal in the soil who was topped twice.

PS.....I originally was going to make Sal a cloner mother but have pretty much ditched the constant cloning idea......the WW's are NOT quite the heavy yielders I'd like for a clone mommy.

[Weedhound]

Who besides me thinks "Sal and the Soils" would make a great name for a band? :D

[zebulon]

Sal and the Soils.....a 70's indie rock band?? :D

So Wh, tomorrow will be day 20 of the flowering for Fang....was there a big explosion?? or just a small one??
And is the PP still alive?? or you chopped it up??
I'm really interested to see how that ASH will go for ya, it's form the same breeder as the Church....it's strange cause i read so much bad reports, that the breeders genetics are crap, and the plants like to herm., but also on the other hand i seen beautiful frosty buds, which got a great smoke report too....we shall see...

And nice work whit that soil WW plant...i know, this is a BIG success for ya...:D

[Weedhound]

Pictures actually taken on day 19.

She just starting I'm afraid.....but already getting rather beastly isn't she? :D

We've topped this girl TWICE remember....and she still is taller than anything else in the room.

(Zeb....thanks for the nod about Sal...you're right that she was a BIG accomplishment for me. :))

[Weedhound]

Zeb we bought the Church seeds from Kind Seed co...and will NEVER buy from them again.....seed # 4 is a bust as well....despite scuffing and making sure the shell cracked....the seed still just sits there. If anyone else out there has any Church seeds I wish you the best of luck with them.....better than ours at least. :wtf:

The ASH originally came from Greenhouse seeds.....power plant is from Dutch Passion.

[Weedhound]

Ok I'm not walking all the way across the room and looking at the calendar so I'm going to guess day 17? I'll double check a bit later to be sure......

She's improved alot but HAS turned out to be one of those plants that grows backwards and inwards creating a tangled mess everywhere. We're also still chasing a certain amount of yellowing leaves and yellow/brown spots on the lower leaves despite SEVERAL heavy duty flushes (the last of which was about 4 days ago) and stopping the the dehumidifier in the evenings. NOTHING we've done has changed the course of it......lowering ppms fairly drastically (to about 2/3 of what I would normally go by) SLOWS it....but doesn't stop it completely.

Zeb.....speaking of.....I think a huge thing about breeding and breeders is stability.....pretty much when you plant a seed you can be fairly sure about what will come up (and that it WILL come up) and what it will be like and that the better breeders' seeds perform in a much more stable manner. ;)

[zebulon]

Wow...Fang is BIG & beautiful....looks real healthy....:thumbsup:

It sux that the PP isn't growing like it supposed to, it looks like it's not gonna get bigger than the DD or the WB...this sux:(, PP is soooooo good, i think you gonna love it, if it's gonna yield something...
The Church is originally from GreenHouse too, sorry to hear that they didn't hatch...i have ordered a 5 seed pack of it, but i'm not sure if i gonna get it too....

What will be your next strains?? If you are looking for some sativa dominant strains, how about S.A.G.E, or some nice Trainwreck??
Or maybe Shantibaba/Mr.Nice seedbank's Super Silver Haze...i think they make the best SSH....

[justanotherbozo]

just wanted to say hi and that i found, subscribed and have been following this thread since my first day here, lol. i didn't have anything to say because you so obviously know way more than me that i was a little intimadated. anyway, thanks for your encouragement and your willingness to share your progress with us newbies.

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Weedhound]

Well we may have gotten an old set of Church seeds ....I got a few from X-Crispi originally and it popped right out (I think I LOST the other seed....) :thumbsup:

And that brings up Zeb why we're kind of limiting what we grow......we'd much prefer growing feminized seeds indoors and (especially now) I personally only trust one or two seedbanks (based on my own limited experience) so .......sigh. :(

Ps....I heard a little stork may drop a few kids off around our house.....AK and 47.....we shall see.....;)

[Weedhound]

just wanted to say hi and that i found, subscribed and have been following this thread since my first day here, lol. i didn't have anything to say because you so obviously know way more than me that i was a little intimadated. anyway, thanks for your encouragement and your willingness to share your progress with us newbies.

bozo,
peace, love, dope


SEE?? You NEVER know.....:D Welcome bozo. :) :joint1:

[justanotherbozo]

:i feel stupid: and thanks for all your posts, it's people like you and the other experienced growers that inspire me every day to keep on trying. LOL, that and my own inate arrogance, that part of me that believes, 'if you can do it, i can do it'.
anyway, thanks

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[d4twamp]

Weedhound sorry for your and the Mr. Hound's loss, I know how it feels to lose a close pet, they are family. My family just suffered a loss as well, we lost the matriarch of my family... I feel for you and your's in your time of mourning as well...

on a lighter note the plants are lookin good, too bad the PP is being a brat...

btw hope all goes good for Mr. Hound's visit to the doc...

later D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

SSH is one of my top 3....definitely a dank smoke...pleasure to watch grow as well...always wanted to try SAGE...
hope the stork finds its way ok....:thumbsup:
i hear ya on the limited seeds stock...different stork found its way to my house:jointsmile: saved me there....

damn PP!!!!!! what the hell WH, this yellow spot epidemic is getting quite annoying isnt it?...I never could get rid of it either...even took another plant at the end....they just stop....growing....bastards
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

d4 thanks very much for the kind words and thoughts.....Mr Hound has NOT received a phone call stating otherwise so we're hopeful about the tests......his Dr had said he would call that same day if there were bad results.....of course....maybe he just lost our phone number LOL!

And d4...very sorry to hear about your loss as well.

Stealth I'm ready to take a baseball bat to the power plant. :wtf: One thing though....GREAT smell (minty?) from it that is wonderful....can't quite place it but a very nice scent. :thumbsup:

[GreenLeaf420]

Looking Great WH. If it was not for seeing your grows. I would have never went to the bubbler set up. Hope all is well for me as it is to you... Good Luck :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

I've tried to follow Stinky's advice here and do several transplants as opposed to just starting Sal in a larger pot and guess what.....Stinky was right! (shocker :eek:!)....the plants DO like it.

Please explain. I've never understood this. It's like only filling your car 1/4 full the first time, then 1/3, then 1/2, etc., since she seems to like it. Why? How can a plant like a small container better than a big one? Is it just more cozy? Does it like the feel of the container against it's roots, as opposed to free range?

[Opie Yutts]

Zeb we bought the Church seeds from Kind Seed co...and will NEVER buy from them again.....seed # 4 is a bust as well....despite scuffing and making sure the shell cracked....the seed still just sits there. If anyone else out there has any Church seeds I wish you the best of luck with them.....better than ours at least.

Hey lucky me, I have a church seed. Just kinda showed up in my mail. So, could you go into more detail on scuffing? I fear my seed my have came from Kind Seed as well, so any advice you have for getting it going would be great. Do you just take a plastic kitchen scratcher to it? Or sandpaper? Cracking the shell? Do you do this by soaking it overnight?

I too have bought seeds from Kind Seed, and was very satisfied, though their prices are a little pricey. One of the few places that will ship to the U.S. Nearly all of my seeds hatched and were healthy, but I didn't try any hard to grow varieties. I've never tried anything fancy like scuffing, cracking or soaking. I've had the absolute best luck by simply planting the seed in dirt, and keeping it warm and moist. I've had less luck using the paper towel method, but it does seem to work pretty well and many people like it.

I'm going to plant some seeds in a few days, once I get some cuttings started again. I'll let you know how the church works out.

[Opie Yutts]

you so obviously know way more than me that i was a little intimadated.

Come on now, there's no need for that. We are all learning, even the "experts". Not trying to take away anything away from you WH. Notice what an expert she is, and still having questions, still having problems.

[Opie Yutts]

(especially now) I personally only trust one or two seedbanks (based on my own limited experience) so .......sigh.

What are your favorite seed banks and why, in 2 million words or less?

[Shovelhandle]

Please. I just ordered Serious Seeds AK-47 from weed-seeds.net ().

???

[Weedhound]

OPIE!!

HELP! I received some GORGEOUS cuttings in the mail....no IDEA where they came from.....just dropped in.....and since they were here I scarified them a bit and put them in some dip and grow and into some RR's and into the cloner......just because they happened to be there you know. (Ps...I think they came from Fort Knox because the packaging was AMAZING!..... Seriously you could have shipped a human baby safely in that wrapping and packaging.) :thumbsup:

But now.....they wilted BADLY.....I've put them on heat and I THINK they're coming back but I can't tell.....can anyone else think of anything I should do? These are seriously BEAUTIFUL cuttings...bushy....green.......I'd HATE to lose them..... will keep folks updated!

[Weedhound]

Well frankly I looked through the customer reviews for Kind Seed before I ordered.....they got EXCELLENT reviews which was the only reason I chanced it. Wah.

I did what Stinkster told me which was take a nail file and gently scrape the outside a bit on the seed and that worked very well. I've also heard (but never tried) putting them in a matchbox with some sandpaper and shaking it......that's just something I heard but I imagine sand paper would work if you were pretty gentle.

It DID crack the shell after soaking when I did that but the seed still went nowhere.....so I popped one side off and put it back......three days later there was a TEENY taproot and then seed number three quit. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Opie Stinky wrote a thread on it somewhere.....I've always been of the mind that starting them in larger pots is better (in my YEARS of soil experience :D) but after Sal I'm sold on the idea. Let me see if I can find Stinky's thread....she always explains things well.

Ps.....Before I forget....the cuttings have improved quite a bit.....except I lost two; one in the scarifying and one that just didn't come back well after the stress. The rest look quite improved and even have a nice little smell to them. :)

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/151941-importance-continuous-canopy-s-all-about-efficiency-baby.html

Here's that thread.......Sal seemed to take a happy little jump each time I put her in a bigger pot and it really kept the amount of nutes I had to use down due to adding fresh soil at regular intervals AND the ph buffers in the freshly added soil assist with keeping the ph stable so I honestly never had to check it. :thumbsup:

[zebulon]

May i ask what kind of cuttings you received WH??? :D

[SnSstealth]

mmmmmmmmmm....AK in the house!!!...lol, comp was down for a few days...
I have been of the start em big theory too, till the first time i transplanted.....BANG!!!! I think the plants hit spurts when they are transplanted cause the roots thought they had to stop growing down...eh, stoner babble
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Ha ha, you're right Zeb I completely forgot to say.....they are AK 47. When boxed up they had no smell but once I got them out BAM! Pretty strong scent especially since they're not even a whole plant (although the cuttings were so lovely it looked like there was a whole plant there....)

I'll post a pic or two later......if you hadn't seem them at their worst point you might not appreciate their glory at this time.....:D

[Weedhound]

Been hearing about some bad fires near you Stealth.....they getting that under control at all?

[MVP]

Well its been a while since I posted, lots of reading and lurking around here. Got too many GDP clones in mini hempy buckets right now and found some Black Kush beans (Black Domina x Ultra Master Kush - Mmmmmm). Also some Blue Madness (Blueberry x Mendo Madness - 45 day finisher). Sure wish I was lucky enough to find some pretty AK babies in the mail.... you Lucky Dog! :D

[Weedhound]

Great to see you.....you realize my mail was a joke right? i miss you......:(

So you're a hempy man now eh? How are you liking the hempy buckets? Pros and cons from an expert please....

[Weedhound]

of Kushettes kid.....whenever you get the chance give us some pics ......toss them in this thread and brighten things up. ;)

[MVP]

Actually I have 2 Strawberry Cough in DWC hydro, 2 GDP (Grand Daddy Purple) in hydro, and 7 12 inch GDPs in hempy buckets as I'm working 5-1/2 to 6 days a week. Years ago I had a drip system watering hempies before they were called hempy buckets. Now I water them manually every 2 days and they are growing like weeds (imagine that!)...

Yeah, I know you are kidding Hound. Just saying hello as I watch a movie and check out your thread and Rock's and a few others. At any rate Hempy is in addition to hydro, not in place of them.

Chop comes in 3 weeks or so, wish I had time for pics and a grow log but not likely for a while. Maybe I'll hijack your log with some GDP shots in a few weeks... :smokin:

[Weedhound]

Please do...would love to see some pics. :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/151941-importance-continuous-canopy-s-all-about-efficiency-baby.html

Here's that thread.......Sal seemed to take a happy little jump each time I put her in a bigger pot and it really kept the amount of nutes I had to use down due to adding fresh soil at regular intervals AND the ph buffers in the freshly added soil assist with keeping the ph stable so I honestly never had to check it. :thumbsup:

Thank you for finding that for me. I didn't read the whole thing yet, but in that thread is link to another one by stinky. She gives a few reasons for transplanting, much of which doesn't apply to me at this point. The thing that makes the most sense to me is this:
Letting the plant focus too much energy underground is inefficient- the roots SHOULD go out to the sides of the pot and just chill there for a while while the leafy part grows.
But I'm still not sure I even understand that. I guess the plant shifts more energy into foliage, since it realizes that more root production would be useless (pretty smart of it IMO)? Or perhaps when space in the container gets tight, it's just easier to make foliage than roots. Am I anywhere close?

I hope you don't mind, I'm just kinda spewing. Don't mean to hijack your thread. I am very pleased to hear that your new project is doing better. The way you're describing things makes me really want to follow along. It's almost like I'm on the edge of my seat, reading a good mystery novel or something. Will they survive? If so, how? Who killed the 2 departed ones, and what was the motive? What are they're day to day lives like? Where do they live? Any love interests or arranged marriages in the possible future for the young girls? I am thrilled to hear that we will soon be seeing pictures of the protagonists. And did I mention that I'm very happy that they're doing better?

[Opie Yutts]

Pretty strong scent especially since they're not even a whole plant

Hey I grow AK too, and I've never really noticed much of a scent on them until well into budding. It just goes to show that thing I saw on Discovery channel was right. It said men and women are different, and each sex does some things better than the other (what? really?). One thing women do much better is smell, and I don't mean the scent coming off of them. In general, women have a much better sense of smell. If it helps at all guys, we have a better sense of spacial relationships.

[Opie Yutts]

Well its been a while since I posted...

Sure wish I was lucky enough to find some pretty AK babies in the mail.... you Lucky Dog! :D

Hey MVP, I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering why we haven't heard much from you lately. I thought about you again when I read that WH got some cuttings and scarified them. I remembered that you scarify all the way around the entire stem.

So you wish you could get some AK-47 cuttings as well. You never know, this universe, and karma and stuff is really weird. Just keep thinking good thoughts, doing good deeds, and good things can't help but happen to you. As David Byrne of Talking Heads sang, "Sometimes, things, they work out right". And by the way, I highly recommend everybody buy as many Talking Heads albums as possible, and listen to them, especially during smoking.

[Opie Yutts]

I did what Stinkster told me which was take a nail file and gently scrape the outside a bit on the seed and that worked very well... It DID crack the shell after soaking when I did that but the seed still went nowhere.....so I popped one side off and put it back......three days later there was a TEENY taproot and then seed number three quit. :wtf:

That sucks she quit on you. I hope I'm not being too much of a pest, but my brain still aint 100% wrapped around it. Please, if you will:

1) My wife says she has a real nail file, probably, somewhere. In lieu of that, do you think I should use the little file that's attached to fingernail clippers, or something like 150, or 200 grit sandpaper?

2) gently scrape the outside a bit OK, how gently, and how much of a bit of the outside. Do I do the whole surface of the seed, and am I removing material here, or just taking off the shine?

3) How long did you soak it for, and how, paper towel method? and in what water? ie. does PH matter, B1, moose droppings or anything?

4) Should it just be soaked at room temperature?

5) Have you ever tried not screwing with it? I've had the best luck with seeds simply planting them in dirt and keeping them warm and moist (like 78F).

6) If you've only got one seed that you suspect may be a problem, exactly what steps would you take to ensure it has the absolute best chance at survival? I'm guessing just planting it in dirt probably doesn't rank high on your list of options. So I should scuff it, soak it until it cracks, then what? Then put it in dirt, flood it with PH 6.8 water with a little B1, keep it warm and moist and wait? Or is a 50/50 mix of perlite/vermiculite more safe? Rapid Rooters? Please don't say peat or rockwool.

Again sorry, feel free to answer some, all, or none. I've never messed with my seeds much, and want you to take the time to share your knowledge and experience, instead of me taking the time to search and read, just like a noob. No offense, anyone.

[MVP]

I wanna know more about the seed thing too, it's been about 12 years since I have popped any beans. I plan to put some 150 grit in a matchbox and shake the beans lightly then........ uh...... figure out the rest based upon what I read here.

Hey Opie, hope you are still enjoying the avatar. It still cracks me up so it is staying for a while longer.

Well, 620am here gotta run to work..... :wtf:

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Opie ordinarily I stick them in the top of the RR hole (already made) and use my well water (ph in the sixes) and they just pop and grow. With the bad seeds my scenario went like this:

plant ASH and Church seed in RR's....add water.

4 days later ASH is up, tap root through bottom.....ready to plant. Plant ASH. Wait longer for church seed.....zero.
After a week I crack rr open....seed bounces around on the floor because it's hard as a rock.

Put seed BACK in rr.....plant SECOND SEED (snl x nh)

3 days later.....SNL x NH has cracked and begun to show. Nothing from seed one. Still closed. Plant SNL x NH.

Wait several more days....dump seed and start number 2.

Pretty much same scenario for seed number 2 (and i DO MEAN number 2....:wtf:) except now alongside it is a CC seed......5 days.....blah blah plant CC seed. Check church seed... WET...but won't crack. Wait several more days....nothing.

Try to "gently" crack seed and end up MASHING it ......put it back for a few days but it's basically stepped on.

SEED NUMBER 3........take nail file and gently scrape the outside of the seed.....I liked Opie's "taking the shine off" example....that's about right. My understanding is you want to "thin" the shell so the water gets in and the seed pops. It didn't take much scraping on my part and then I could actually see a bit of "white" showing through and I stopped there. Place seed in RR and wait.

3-4 days....check seed carefully...all wet and swollen but shell hasn't quite cracked (but is so soft it's flexible). Put seed back.

More days pass.....take seed out....exactly the same.......pop one shell off (very easy...came right off without a prob) Put seed back.

Pray alot and do a rain dance around it.....counterclockwise (image reaper does this dance naked .....I dont :wtf:)

Wait three more days....crack RR....very small taproot starting....the only change in three days.

Wait three more days. Exactly the same.

Burn it.

MVP on reflection I think you're better off just takin your sandpaper and rubbing the seed gently and that should work for you.