HELP!! will some1 pls help me correct my mistake

[drunknlazy]

here are my plants after a few weeks. the past two days i have noticed a slight yellowing coming in. am i over feeding? over watering? too many nutes? dont wanna screw this up ya know?

[psteve]

here are my plants after a few weeks. the past two days i have noticed a slight yellowing coming in. am i over feeding? over watering? too many nutes? dont wanna screw this up ya know?
What kind of soil is that?
What products are you currently using?
What kind of light?

[drunknlazy]

miracle gro moisture control soil. vigoro plant food (1/4 strength npk 27-8-16 and 3 cfls giving 7800 lumens with one reptile lamp for warmth

[psteve]

Hmmm.
That should be more than enough nutes.
It could be under watering, but it doesn't look like they're wilting.
How well are your temps controlled?
Did you sprout your seeds before planting?
Are you using any root growth hormone or Micorrizhae?

[drunknlazy]

during the "day" period it stays around 75, at night no lower than 67. and yes sprouted from seeds. no hormones, just nutes and water

[psteve]

You could have poor root growth. I'd try a little rootone, and some micorrhizae.

[drunknlazy]

thats my confusion, other than the color the look healthy and strong.

[drunknlazy]

where do i find micorrhizae or rootone?

[psteve]

where do i find micorrhizae or rootone?
At your local garden store.

[drunknlazy]

the were placed inside those little sprout pods, you know. the little green things that help protect the roots. anyway does that make a difference?

[psteve]

I'm not sure what you mean but if you are talking about a peat pellet or 'gro-dan' or the like, then yes it could make a difference.
Your roots may not have reached the soil yet, which would explain how they could have lots of nutes in the soil, but not be uptaking it into the plant.
Did you see roots before you planted?
It doesn't matter. the rootone and micorrhizae should help in either case if root development is the problem.
Also, your soil looks a bit heavy for rooting seedlings. Roots need oxygen to grow. Next time add some coco fiber for loft, and perlite for drainage.

[mushaboom]

they still look a bit small to be adding nutrients even at 1/4 strength. especially with miracle gro soil you dont want to be jam packing it with extra fertilizer as the soil comes pre fertilized. try using plain water when you feed for a while. also note that with cfl's like that your plant is going to grow just a little bit slower.

[Wobster]

Nute burn, nute burn. Seedlings don't need nutes. Give them nutes after the third or fourth set of leaves have developed.

[psteve]

But the pics don't look like nute burn. They look like poor nute uptake.

[drunknlazy]

i think i agree with the nute burn theory. i am a bit excited about the first grow and probably over did it. :( just water for a while now... is there anything i can do to reverse the effects?

[stinkyattic]

miracle gro moisture control soil. vigoro plant food (1/4 strength npk 27-8-16 and 3 cfls giving 7800 lumens with one reptile lamp for warmthThat's your problem right there.

-Pre fertilized soils are WAY too 'hot' for tiny plants. You gotta wait until the first transplant at ~2-3 weeks before you should even consider using them, and even then, you'll want to just go with plain potting soil- those time-release ferts can wreak havoc with your fertilizing routine later!

-No added nutes until you've got a good solid 4-5 sets of adult leaves.

-Next time, start the plant in a much smaller pot- the seedling really only needs about 60-100 mL of soil volume for the fest couple weeks of life, using nice fine unfertilized seedling soil, and then after that- BAM- into the rich stuff!

[drunknlazy]

well the only reason i started with the big pots is because i was under the impression that you transplant as less as possilbe... is it time to start over?

[stinkyattic]

I hate to say it, but indeed your best bet may be to start over, unless those are special seeds that you just can't bear to waste.

Read the link in my sig for some background that will make other advice make more sense, but the basic idea is to make transplanting as stress free as possible. Then, you can take advantage of each transplant to put the plant in fresh, light soil that is correct for the life stage it is about to enter. In the end, you actually BENEFIT from frequent transplants, even though it might seem counterintuitive.
Stressed plants sometimes stay runty for their whole lives so if those were just bagseeds, or a test you were doing, pop a couple more and start fresh.
I like this one soil called Farfards seedling starting mix a LOT. It is ideal for cannabis seedlings.
If you have to save those plants, you will need to flush the pot out a lot- BUT!- since the pot is so large, flushing is a pain: The roots aren't really all that well developed, and the soil that the roots aren't getting into will just sit there sodden for a while and can cause more problems. If you must flush, add MORE drain holes in the SIDES of the pots so it dries out faster.

[drunknlazy]

there is so much conflicting information on growing availble.i knew this wouldnt be the simplest thing. i just wish i could get one clear set of instructions ya know? AARGGHHH!! :jointsmile:

[carinia]

Listen to Stinky, she knows whats up. :) I've been reading for months and finally found a community overgrow style, and its here. And Stinky is someone who knows her stuff. :)

That being said, dude sorry about your plants! Dont worry, my first grow i fertilized as soon as the first true leaves appeared. It didnt work out so well but I'm definitely doing better now and you will too! :hippy:

[atomize]

I am in the exact same position as this guy except I just planted my germinated seeds like acouple of hours ago. Same exact soil and pots. So if I understand correctly, I should of went with the cheap, non-name brand soil, instead of the miracle gro? Also smaller pots as well. Damn, I read the wrong guide on this!

Can someone tell me a) Is it alright to pull the seeds out of the soil and b) what to do with said seeds until I can go to a store tomorrow? I use the paper towel trick to germinate them if that helps. Also one last question, should I ditch the miracle gro? I would use something else but I live in a shitty town by the beach so their is no soil around here and no one sells anything else then cheap soil for 98 cents a bag or miracle gro...

[drunknlazy]

new leaves are coming in okay. that nice green we love to see. using plain water until later on in the growth cycle. im lookin for a silver lining on this cloud

[stinkyattic]

Okay lets see here...
Cheap no name brand soil is only better than miracle grow if it has no added fertilizer. You should also get in the habit of adding a little extra perlite, because beginners ALWAYS make a mistake eventually that necessitates flushing! Trust me on this one. Perlite=good! :D

If the seeds have not sprouted, you can remove them from the soil. Be VERY careful; if any tap root is showing, don't touch it!
If they HAVE sprouted, but only just BARELY, you can try to take a big spoon and scoop like a golf ball sized chunk of soil that has the sprout at the center, again, AVOIDING THE TAP ROOT, and plant that in better soil.

If you can find 'miracle grow organic choice' and extra perlite, that is fine for plants over 3 weeks old. If all you can find is MG, use tiny dixie cups with lots of holes in them to start the seeds, and flush the HELL out of the soil before you plant them. They will only live in those cups for a couple weeks, then you can put them in normal pots with soil right out of the bag.

[drunknlazy]

added some perlite today. better?:rastasmoke:

[twitch]

looks alot better what ratio you use

[drunknlazy]

nothing scientifical. luckily there wasnt too much rootage i was able to take the sprout out and just mixed some in by hand.

[drunknlazy]

its been a while since my lost post on this thread but here are some new pics of the ladies. as you can see alot of new growth has taken place in less than a month im so excited. nute burn gone!! pulled thru... who told me to start over!?!? lol j/k

[Hennessy1414]

its been a while since my lost post on this thread but here are some new pics of the ladies. as you can see alot of new growth has taken place in less than a month im so excited. nute burn gone!! pulled thru... who told me to start over!?!? lol j/k

fucking sick bro:rastasmoke:
gonna hook a hps for flower?

[Mississippi Steve]

Okay lets see here...
Cheap no name brand soil is only better than miracle grow if it has no added fertilizer. You should also get in the habit of adding a little extra perlite, because beginners ALWAYS make a mistake eventually that necessitates flushing! Trust me on this one. Perlite=good! :D

If the seeds have not sprouted, you can remove them from the soil. Be VERY careful; if any tap root is showing, don't touch it!
If they HAVE sprouted, but only just BARELY, you can try to take a big spoon and scoop like a golf ball sized chunk of soil that has the sprout at the center, again, AVOIDING THE TAP ROOT, and plant that in better soil.

If you can find 'miracle grow organic choice' and extra perlite, that is fine for plants over 3 weeks old. If all you can find is MG, use tiny dixie cups with lots of holes in them to start the seeds, and flush the HELL out of the soil before you plant them. They will only live in those cups for a couple weeks, then you can put them in normal pots with soil right out of the bag.

The tap root is very delicate....I figured that out the hard way, and I am using the MG moisture control, watering with tap water, andthey have been under 150 watts CFL (6500) 18/6 and I am about to take them outside as we are past any more frost, and the temps are up to the mid 70s - mid 80s.

Is there anything I need to worry about for moving my babies outside from under lights??

[Rusty Trichome]

Is there anything I need to worry about for moving my babies outside from under lights??
Pests, the local animal population, nosy neighbors.

[drunknlazy]

new pics.... let me know what you think. the slimmer of the plants is about 16inches tall, the bushy one about 13 and the small one comes in at about 5-6. just now deciding to start flowering...

[drunknlazy]

is this male????? i know it is, but i just hope someone can say no lol

[drunknlazy]

forgot pic lol

[drunknlazy]

yea.... thats a shitty pic my bad... another one to come :stoned::smokebong::rastabong::bigsmoke:

[stinkyattic]

That pic is like looking at a nudie mag with the black bar over the good bits. Or the Girls Gone Wild ads they have on TV that have the tittie shots blurred for prime time viewing, lol. How's about less fuzz?

[drunknlazy]

too late ive already moved on. destroyed it... thanks