question for canadians

[michaelpeg]

i have been through 3 different kinds of soil:
shultz tropical mix
some shit seedling mix from rona
dutch treat
and they have all fucked up my plants. what kind of soil have you guys had any luck growing in? do you know if there is any soil in canada with a good ph for cannabis to begin with without having to add a bunch af crap?
thanks

[Perp]

promix bx

[michaelpeg]

thanks man i remember seeing promix at rona.. is it good for seedlings too or will it fuck them up a bit? and what is the runoff or soil ph

[daihashi]

thanks man i remember seeing promix at rona.. is it good for seedlings too or will it fuck them up a bit? and what is the runoff or soil ph

promix is awesome for seedlings.

My tap water is ph 7.4 approx. My run off in promix soil is about 6.3-6.8.

[chrisdl805]

I've read on here that Promix has a very high ppm if you took a cup and filled it with half promix/half water, let it soak overnight and check the water will be over 1000ppm. So they say to get Sunshine Mix #4 which is like the same as the promix with a much lower ppm, like 300ppm or so. Then again, tons of people on here use promix also...just sharing what I've read

[BobBong]

Try Coco Choir! 100% Organic.

You gotta mix in your own perlite though..

[michaelpeg]

thanks everyone i have heard from my hydroponics guy that sunshine mix #4 is the top seller what i am doing is an outdoor grow in the summer and i will not be able to check on them more than maybe once a month as they will be about 100 miles away from where i live and am really looking for a soil that wont burn seedlings yet have a good amount on nitrogen and other good stuff without having to add a bunch of nutes, almost like the plant it and leave it alone technique. Do you guys think promix bx or sunshine mix no.4 mixed with 25% earthworm castings would be enough for the plants to live on throughout there life and be nice and healthy and decent yield?

[chrisdl805]

I would look into some type of timed release nutrients that you can mix in with the soil seeing as you won't be able to tend to them very often

[BobBong]

I would look into some type of timed release nutrients that you can mix in with the soil seeing as you won't be able to tend to them very often

Boooo

It's a cycle plant, time released nutrients = imbalances later down the road.

pre-amend an Organic growth formula into your mix.. but by no means use time released nutrients.

Outdoor in the ground.. go for 'The Shitz' growth blend it's a 7-4-4 and comprised of 7 different worm castings,bird and bat guano's.

Try it!

[michaelpeg]

the shitz sounds amazing do you know where i could find it? i wont be planting directly into the ground just in a 3 gal. pot.

and i have had very bad experience with time released plant food, it burns the crap out of the young seedlings

[BobBong]

the shitz sounds amazing do you know where i could find it? i wont be planting directly into the ground just in a 3 gal. pot.

and i have had very bad experience with time released plant food, it burns the crap out of the young seedlings

I know the garden center of Toronto Hemp Company carries it.

However, 'The Shitz' is more ideal for IN the ground as it does lack a small amount of trace element. If you do decide to use it in a pot then you'll probably have to fill the trace elements out with something.

Hope this helps,
Bob.

[michaelpeg]

ok if you say they should go in the ground then they will go in the ground i was just being lazy and thought the soil outside wouldnt be very good but i guess it is the right thing to do. how big do you recommend the hole to be for the plants? and how much of my own soil should i use i will be going with sunshine mix no.4 or promix bx mixed with the shitz exotix 7-4-4 by the way how much shitz should you add? sorry im loaded with questions and a big fan of yours since seeing one of your cfl grow logs

[BobBong]

ok if you say they should go in the ground then they will go in the ground i was just being lazy and thought the soil outside wouldnt be very good but i guess it is the right thing to do. how big do you recommend the hole to be for the plants? and how much of my own soil should i use i will be going with sunshine mix no.4 or promix bx mixed with the shitz exotix 7-4-4 by the way how much shitz should you add? sorry im loaded with questions and a big fan of yours since seeing one of your cfl grow logs

Well, don't change your plans on account of your nutrients.. buy your nutrients according to your plans... I'm just saying that 'The Shitz' is a great organic fert that comes in both VEG and Bloom formula's. It's simply more ideal for being amended into the ground because it lacks minor trace elements. The directions are directly on the bags.. you can mix it with water, sprinkle it on the topsoil and let the gravity/water pull in it.. and or pre-amend it into the soil.

I've heard really good things about Sunshine#4 it's about the same ratio of vermiculite/perlite and peat as Pro-mix Bx.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/hort/facilities/downloads/proMixBX.pdf
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/hort/facilities/downloads/sungroMix4.pdf

Being in Pots outside is not a bad way to grow... it gives you the availability of moving the plants around if need be. In the ground, you're a bit more...stationary.

[michaelpeg]

i want to go with what you experienced people do because i am sick of experimenting with multiple soils and wasting months away without getting a single gram from my screwed up plants and it is ok if they are stationary as i will not be visiting this spot very often, (maybe even until september) because it is very far away from where i live and in the summer im sure it will be loaded with ticks + mosquitos which i am grossed out by and deadly afraid of lol. im just looking for something that would be better than just throwing them in the ground and hoping for a miracle as i will be unable to fertilize after I plant them in the spring

[BobBong]

i want to go with what you experienced people do because i am sick of experimenting with multiple soils and wasting months away without getting a single gram from my screwed up plants and it is ok if they are stationary as i will not be visiting this spot very often, (maybe even until september) because it is very far away from where i live and in the summer im sure it will be loaded with ticks + mosquitos which i am grossed out by and deadly afraid of lol. im just looking for something that would be better than just throwing them in the ground and hoping for a miracle as i will be unable to fertilize after I plant them in the spring

Well, you got the right idea.

Both of these mixes that we're talking about are considered a soilless mix. Meaning there's not really any significant nutrients in it and you are adding your own nutrients to it.
They're considered a form of hydroponics.. as you're adding the nutrients to the water .. and watering the medium.

The medium is only one part of the equation too... find a nice nutrient regiment that's formulated for specific stages of growth.

It's a symbiotic relationship between medium,nutrient,light and plant.

Bob.

[michaelpeg]

and last question i promise, just about the size of the hole and how much of your mix you should put in it doesnt matter to me if you dont know for sure just tell me how you would do it, seems you mods dont really screw up EVER.

[BobBong]

seems you mods dont really screw up EVER.

Lies I say... we all make our mistakes.. it's apart of the trial and error process.

The size of the whole in the ground and amount of mix that you use is kind of up to you. You could use 3 or 4 gallons of your own mix and that should be enough to give you a majority of control over that plant.

[michaelpeg]

ok 3.5 gallons it is. thanks for your excellent and prompt help. if i get a good camera by harvest time i will do a small grow log and dedicate it to you and stinky

[BobBong]

Best of luck on your season!

We'll be looking for pictures and smoke reports later in the year :thumbsup: