Dirty "Porta-Scrog" Experiment

[Rock.Steady]

welcome to the experiment.

scenario-
soil user wants to try Scrog, but wants to have portability for physical move to flwr(different area) and any other reasons dirty ppl need to move the pots(flushing etc)

parts to do this-
fence for the screen
wire hanger wire, or drop ceiling wire, or heavy tie wire for legs
wire cutters to trim
pliers or a multi-tool makes assembly easier on your fingers.
assembly with pix, CLICK HERE (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/140716-lsttt-low-stress-twisty-tie-training-6.html#post1789958)

the new one for this log is 14x15 roof.
the roof is between 8 and 9 inches from soil, depending on curve(and can be raised later if nesesary).
our volunteer is "Mystery Red" bagseed from 6 mo ago which had an EfreakiNormous sticky red nug about 1x6in in the sack and 10 beans:D
"Mystery Red" (J-for now, until we know sex) is starting week 6 of veg today and was topped this past week, has healed and has 2 lil branch-sprouts splitting nicely.
the pot is 12x12in.
MG soil thinned and perlited
water w ST 1 drop/gal
FF Grow Big almost every watering
26/100w daylighter CFL's, 1 over each plant
lites on 18-6

prolly another 2-3 wks veg before the move upstairs to flwr.

this log will be to track the performance of this "Porta-Scrog" creation I fabricated while being talked into trying Scrog by the world reknowned WeedHound, while using inspiration from MVP, Opie and CM current scrog setups.
That WeedHound sure puts up a convincing argument.
even tho all those are hydro-heads and i am dirty, therefore, the experiment was born.

follow along while our inept-rookie gives this a whirl:wtf:

this is what "J" looks like with the new setup in place.

[cmasfca]

I hit subscribe and am excited to see how this goes rock :)

How long are you planning on vegging J for? I have 8 plants and a 4x2ft screen and they have filled it up nicely after only one week in veg. The screen is about 9 or 10 inches from the medium and I flipped the switch to 12/12 once the tips of the plants started to go higher than the screen.

From what I have read about SCRoG grows, the sooner you flip the switch the better; because undergrowth after the 12/12 growth spurt is much easier to deal with than overgrowth.

I repped you with my email :)

[Rock.Steady]

hey bro, thanks for stoppin by, just loaded up, here, rip on this :smokebong:

J was just topped last week and is starting wk 6-v today.
2-3 more weeks of veg would be 8 or 9 total, (minus 2 for the topping) and would be week 7-8 theoretically.

i think it will largely depend on J.

stay tuned:D

[Weedhound]

This is EXACTLY The kind of insanity I'm talking about....:D

[Rock.Steady]

This is EXACTLY The kind of insanity I'm talking about....:D

and you are the INSTIGATOR!!!
there is no innocence in your karma today:wtf:

from what ive been reading scrog works best with clones.
looks like there is no alternative,,,,,,
time to germ 2 fem'd beans.
1 for a full run, 1 to be a mom.

whataya think WH, those SNLxNH(f) should work pretty well in this lil setup, aye?

[Weedhound]

I honestly think those will stress and hermie with too much playing around. The russians should do good however. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

hmmm, maybe time for a re-think,,,,,a Russian mom? :wtf:
either will be a very strict house, or a troupe of go-go dancers with heavy accents:cool:

i guess ill have to try sexing the 3 BR sprouts with a clone each and try to pull a mom outta them.

maybe the SNLxNH(f) will still work for a mom, that way i can save the beans,
i'm just worried about them taking off and outgrowing the space.:jawdropper:
i coulda swore thats why you thought i should try this scrog stuff:D

[Weedhound]

The odd thing was I had two of the SNL x NH....and one was super tall with fluffy buds and one was very short with dense buds. I can't even tell you if the beans from them would turn out the same way as the parents.

The russians seem quite stable.....been watching them be grown for awhile.....brb...

[Weedhound]

Here's a russian that X-Crispi grew.....in dirt.....you don't think this thing has the potential to go crazy during flowering? :wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

haha, yeah, i saw the beast that ate milwaukee in a previous post.

that thing is f'n HUGE:wtf:

[Skrappie]

I've been playing with the idea of a pot specific SCROG design, i'm glad to see the idea is already in play with other growers. I can get many colas with full LST, and i enjoy doing it, but i was considering doing a side by side porta-scrog full lst next grow to see what works better for me- for future convince.

I i'm very excited by your post, it gives me a lot more motivation to do it. How is your screen working for you so far?

[Rock.Steady]

hey Skrappie, welcome to the experiment.

for the record,
the Blue Russian got caged on Jan 19.
this Mystery Red got caged Jan 20.

well, the Blue Russian, from the other log and the link for assembly pix, has relaxed quite a bit. she was in some hardcore bondage, only a few inches above the soil and is now stretchin up to and some thru the cage.

the lil one in this log got caged today and is still young and small, but follow along, it should be fun.:D

[Rock.Steady]

couple days later, here we r.

change- the screen was lowered about 3 inches couple days ago, is now 6 inches from the soil.

supplementing with Liquid Light from Dutchmaster, first application was yesterday.

topped last week, and we are in middle of week 6 for veg.


thinking of moving this and the other 2 'reds' to flwr area now,,,,,,,opinions???

kinda need the space for the red cups to be upgraded:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

sweet rock,steady. im a soil guy too, using all fox farm ocean forest... thik im gonna scrog mine as well..seedlings just went into the 3 gal pots... ill have new pics up sun, but im subscribed man, may need to talk to you guys more, should i fence up around each 3 gal now while the girls are small? and thanks weedhound for all your imput man. need all the brainstorming we can get through this LED thing:pimp:

thanks

whiskeytango
SNSstealth

[Rock.Steady]

SNS, hey man, i been givin it some thought, cause mine is still in veg also.

i would say i am going to raise my screen back to where it was when i started, another 3 inches back up again, around 8-9 inches.

I am also thinking, that installing the screen this early, may be overkill. I think it would be easier to do some lite LST in veg, then install the screen when u move to flower.

I may remove the screen altogether tomorow, just to allow for some ez LST. I will decide when we visit.

your question,
i would say, no, not needed around the pot and probably not needed early. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.:D

and yeah, WeedHound kicks ass!:D

[SnSstealth]

because of how our setup is (show ya in the pics i post sun) im thinking about putting some little o hooks in the walls, and running 25lb test fishing line criss crossing the grow area for my screen...whatcha think?..thats if the ganja gods help these lEDs make enough bud to do a SCROG....lol

[Rock.Steady]

SNS, i'm thinkin fishing line may be too thin.

not because the line would lack strength, but because it may be so thin, that it may cut thru the stalks as the plant pushes against them as its growing.

there can be significant pressure exerted by plants.

for example, look what plants do to sidewalks,,,,and thats concrete, ya know?:wtf:

and then theres the way creeping vines bust up old brick buildings too.

if ur willing to put something semi permanent in ur space, i would get a piece of small fencing, and call it done.:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

so mine are still one their first sets of leaves. when should i start training them through wire? 5-6 internodes? should i top them more before or let them go single. if you wouldnt mind, take a look at my set up and give me some suggestions. i think the scrog will exceptionally help me since im doing the LEDs. would focus light better. thanks man

whiskeytango:jointsmile:

how would i mount the fencing? lke a table maybe with four legs?

[Rock.Steady]

hmm, havin trouble postin, ill try again

quik sad update.

"J" stands for Jerry,,,,,,goodbye.

"L" stands for Larry, also,,,,,,,goodbye.

so we lost out original volunteer for the porta-scrog

hopefully "K" stands for Kim, time will tell, stay tuned.

[stinkyattic]

Bummer Rock, it was looking promising. Shoot.

[cmasfca]

Sorry to hear about this my friend :(

[Weedhound]

Why are you so attractive to the guys Rock? What's going on over there we don't know about??? :D

I hate to admit it but I've REALLY become sold on the feminized seeds (keep in mind I DONT breed) vs unsexed for this exact reason. It is SO nice to put the thing in know it's going to be a girl.

[Rock.Steady]

Why are you so attractive to the guys Rock? What's going on over there we don't know about??? :D.......

ahhhh yesssss, my lil wizenheimer hound, right on que:wtf::D

Hey gang, dont give up hope, I know I havent!:thumbsup:
if "K" stands for Kim, we continue the experiment.
if k stands for ken,,,,well, we'll get another volunteer,,,,like,,,,one of the 3 more russian sprouts which are takin off like lil buggers:cool:

but i will agree with lil miss smartypants on fem'd seeds.

hmmmm, that reminds me, where did i put those:wtf:
and yeah, i know, the SNLxNH(f) prolly wont take the stress of a P-Scrog, but, i wanna set a record too,,,,and i dont have to scrog them,,,,,nessessarily:D

[sharkfinz]

bah, that's some rotten luck.

[SnSstealth]

damn man..........:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

how are things rock? do we have K? let us know man....

[Rock.Steady]

ur rite. my bad, been bizy with stuff.
"K" is still with us, but not quite showing us what we're looking for yet.
i see something developing and may know by tomorrow.
I'm hoping the extended time before revealing sex will lean us to a girl.

stay tuned;)

[Rock.Steady]

ummm, yeah, ok, but no, not really.

K is male and g-o-n-e.


this experiment is officially ON HOLD until i can get another female.:wtf:

[zebulon]

All 3 became males??? That sux really bad....but don't give up Rock...this "porta-scrog" is real interesting.....:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

hey Zeb
well, im thinkin and reading up at WH's direction.
there has to be a logical explanation for this.
i really, really didnt do anything to these reds other than top once and that 1 that i put the cage on.
i did much more crap to the 3 previous and 1 current plants and this male crap didnt happen, even if they did grow slow and small.

im starting to re-evaluate my veg box and meathod.
its gotta be something wrong in the veg box.

i eliminated 2 of the weaker 6 last week.
that leaves four in veg. (3 Blue Russians and 1 which is either a Blueberry or MangoKush)
they are in week 3 of veg and i'm starting to think they may be moving slow also.
but, im gonna give them space n let em do whatever they do.

i would like to start thinkin about a Mother.
i also have some special fem beans but want to b sure i know what im doing b4 i screw them up.

i'm gonna watch the current veg closely and see what happens, at least i have Galina. i'll snap a pic for her thread.;)

[zebulon]

Hey Rock....please at least try to transplant 1 of the BR in a 1/2 or 1 gal pot and water it every second day...1 watering whit nutes one whit clean water...0.1 -0.2 gal water / watering....
please try it !!! and no lst, pruning, topping...

[Rock.Steady]

Zeb
i already moved them into the 3 gal pots 2 weeks ago.

whats more is they have stayed pretty wet since.
i have not needed to water even once.
this is one of the things i been thinkin may be an issue.
for some reason it takes forever for the soil to dry out in veg, sometimes it takes a month.
its always been like this, i just havent said anything about it.

i am actually thinking about winding an aeration hose down into the soil on the next big pot i use for a sprout or clone.
i've been experimenting with perforated air pump hose and what size holes may work best.
so far it looks like maybe pinholes every 1/4 - 1/2 inch for about a foot.

my idea is to bury that in the soil coiled in the pot to pump air into the soil.

the thing that keeps scratchin the back of my brain is that i seem to have ideas which mutate my meathods towards hydro in some respects.
i actually have started reading up quite a bit on hydro lately.
if i cant get better yeilds, this entire endevour is a waste of time and money.

here are pics of the veg bunker.
i gotta run, be back in a day or 2.

[Weedhound]

I like the idea of hydro for you.....if you can get a setup that makes it easy to move your water around. I think you would like it better as well.

You make an excellent point about the drainage.....I think that may well be part of your problem. It ALWAYS was for me and definitely affected the growth in my soil plants.

What soil are you using?

[SnSstealth]

i drilled a few extra holes in the bottom of my pots, lined it with 3 in of river rocks, and with the fox farm, i get good drainage...sinkholes sometimes in the beginning, think its from the fox farm being so airy...where you using rocks at the bottom of the pots?

[Rock.Steady]

ok, im back.

answers for both of u.

i already drill extra holes.
my soil is a mix of MG, plain potting, and perlite.

i get excellent drainage, but, like i said, it takes forever for the soil to dry out during veg.

as to hydro, grrrrrrrr, it just goes so against my grain,(not to mention can be dangerous up on the second floor) but, ive been looking at that sticky'd thread, the dudes doing a combo of drip and bubbler. i kinda dig the concept, but havent read to the end yet.

i dont have a clue what nutes or any of the tech specs that would be good for me.

WH, i was planning on emailing u backchannel if/when im ready to explore more of the details in depth. u been there 4 me since the beginning and i dont forget a friend.
btw- i been away and will finish ur kit soon.

[SnSstealth]

stay dirty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...lol