New shoots on mature buds!??

[andie666]

Hey peoples,

I'm on my second ever grow and am 6 1/2 weeks into flower, everything seemed to be going really well until a few days ago when I noticed that there were new shoots growing through the buds, not new buds but actual shoots :wtf: I'm getting a lil scared as I'm still pretty new to this and started flushing today so I can crop as quick as possible!

Is this normal?? Do I leave her another couple of weeks as I was planning or do I give her the chop?? She's been grown under 400w cfl's and has been fed on topmax and tomorite and as I said is 6.5 weeks into flower.

Help me Rhonda! (anyone else's advice also warmly welcomed though) :)

Andie:hippy:

[andie666]

A couple more pics to get a better overall picture :)

[stinkyattic]

I've never heard of tomorite, so I looked it up (it's a tomato food) and the NPK is not correct for a flowering cannabis plant.
The Nitrogen value is 4, and high N in flower is one of the primary causes of a poor calyx-to-leaf ratio, which you have in that plant.
The other common one is a light leak.
The last possible contributing factor to that 'dreadlocking' that you are seeing is high temperature.
The deep green color, scorched tips, and leaf shape all point to Nitrogen overdose as a very strong possibility.

[andie666]

Cool, thanks for the advice. It seems I'm doing the right thing flushing her then. I have no light leaks and the temp is 27-30c during the day and 20-22c, these are ok yeah?

Will the "dreadlocking" stop? Do I crop or just give a good flushing and carry on with the topmax?

It was a friend that recommended the tomorite but I'm thinking maybe they just meant for the veg stage?

I should also add that I have scorched a lot of the leaves trying to get the bulbs as close as poss to the bud sites, using 4 x 100w cfl's.

Andie :hippy:

[stinkyattic]

Yes, they probably meant for the veg stage.
The 'dreadlocking' is kinda set by now. you are almost done and now you need to just wait for the trichomes to show ripeness by starting to turn amber on about 10-20% of them.
Do you know what strain you are growing or is it bagseed? The flower time determines if you should flush and then feed only topmax, or if you should flush and then feed a proper bloom fert with lots of phosphorous. If there are more than 2 weeks to expected harvest, you shoudl go grab a bloom fert, whcih you'll need on the next grow anyway.
You are running a little on the hot side actually, adding to the wispy strange bud shape.

[andie666]

It's just a stray bagseed, the plant was also neglected at 3 months old and left in a bathroom for about 6 weeks leaving it with a very spongy stem so I was glad to get anything off of it.

Thanks again for the advice, it's all good and edumacational :thumbsup:

:hippy:

[andie666]

Could somebody that knows what they are doing please advise me what I should be doing next with this plant? Am I carrying on as normal, flushing for the next week? Or should I just give her the chop now? This "dreadlocking" has got me worried, the new shoots seem to be overtaking the buds!

Andie :hippy:

[pnice]

Start looking at trichomes. If any are turning cloudy you may want to think about starting the flush phase. Otherwise until then switch to a bloom formula. And get a 30x microscope!

[cigarettes42]

Could somebody that knows what they are doing please advise me what I should be doing next with this plant? Am I carrying on as normal, flushing for the next week? Or should I just give her the chop now? This "dreadlocking" has got me worried, the new shoots seem to be overtaking the buds!

Andie :hippy:

great advise comes from stinkyattic. from what ive seen and read she is soo educated in growing. just read her threads and you will be fine. before growing, i read all these threads and now my first plant is turning out good, no major problems at all. but there are alot of people here that give great advise too but learn from thee best

[stinkyattic]

Could somebody that knows what they are doing please advise me what I should be doing next with this plant?



The 'dreadlocking' is kinda set by now. you are almost done and now you need to just wait for the trichomes to show ripeness by starting to turn amber on about 10-20% of them.
Do you know what strain you are growing or is it bagseed? The flower time determines if you should flush and then feed only topmax, or if you should flush and then feed a proper bloom fert with lots of phosphorous. If there are more than 2 weeks to expected harvest, you shoudl go grab a bloom fert, whcih you'll need on the next grow anyway.
You are running a little on the hot side actually, adding to the wispy strange bud shape.

I guess either you didn't see this post or you are counting this advice as from someone who doesn't know what they are doing. :thumbsup:

[andie666]

That came out all wrong! I didn't mean any offence StinkyAttic, I meant it was me that didn't know what they were doing and didn't know what to do next as you said it depended upon whether it was bagseed or not, I said it was bagseed and needed just a lil follow up advice.

Planty plant got the chop anyway, all is good :)
:hippy:

[PharmaCan]

Looking at that plant, I'm going to guess that you had 100 watt equivalent cfl's, not true 100w's, so you actually had about 100 watts. That's just not enough light. When talking about cfl's always refer to the actual wattage - the "equivalent" doesn't mean squat.

PC :smokin:

[luvfriday]

Looking at that plant, I'm going to guess that you had 100 watt equivalent cfl's, not true 100w's, so you actually had about 100 watts. That's just not enough light. When talking about cfl's always refer to the actual wattage - the "equivalent" doesn't mean squat.

PC :smokin:


So CFL's are used because they run cooler? I thought CFL & Led were going to run cool and save energy.

[PharmaCan]

So CFL's are used because they run cooler? I thought CFL & Led were going to run cool and save energy.

The glass on my 65 watt cfl is 110f. The glass on my air-cooled 600w HPS is 103f. The 65w cfl cost about $12, including the socket it's screwed into. The 600w HPS, with related vents, fans, reflector, bulb etc. was around $650.

Some grows, because of their small size or enclosure, can only use cfl's. Other times, growers wish they had hid lamps but can't afford them so they do the best they can with cfl's. Once they grow their own smoke, instead of buying it, most people find they have a little more money they can save to buy hid lights.

LEDs, at this point, are not a fully developed technology. Some day they may be THE thing to grow with, but not today.

PC :smokin:

[hybridlove420]

Looking at that plant, I'm going to guess that you had 100 watt equivalent cfl's, not true 100w's, so you actually had about 100 watts. That's just not enough light. When talking about cfl's always refer to the actual wattage - the "equivalent" doesn't mean squat.

PC :smokin:

you sure? ive seen many posts suggesting that 3 26w cfls per plant is a good ratio? and 100w=4 26w cfls

[andie666]

Lol, seems this threads taken a swerve!

I've grown 2 plants now under my 4x100w cfl which is only actually 4x20 if you're looking at real wattage and not equivalent. Both plants have done well, not had loads off them, 1oz of the first and 1.5oz off the second, but both plants have grown pretty well, reached a good height and produced alright buds for someone that doesn't know what she's doing! I've put up a pic of my last crop.

The results would of course be better with more light but for somebody that just wants a lil bit o' percy every couple of months it seems adequate enough.

Here's some pics of my latest baby girl, put her into bud 3 days ago and the first pistils are there :D She was a stray seed out of a bag of lovely cheese, any ideas on the chances of her actually being cheese?? I know from apple growing that what you think you're planting ain't always the same as the parents! She looks like a nice indica anyway :hippy:


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