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[XTC]

I dont know. The people who DO believe in God never insult or making hundrends of threads on why you should believe in God, but the people who don't believe in God are CONSTANTLY posting about how there isnt any evidence of a God or that having faith is ignorant, which pissed me off. You guys says you dont want God stuffed down you're throat. Well us, the people who do believe in God dont want reasons why there isnt a God. Simply we dont want it stuffed down our throats. I am getting sick of posting why I believe in God, only to be called ignorant or something. Fact is that as on Now there is NO evidence of the creationism theory or the Evolution Theory. Believe what you want to believe people, just don't throw insults around

[meek mike]

I love this forum. It's my favborite place to look up things and get ideas from. I've cut back in my posting because no matter what thread I post in there's someone always trying to insult me or make a wise crack about my faith. I did what I came to do here and handled the insults as best as my mood would allow. So now when people start to insult me and my faith I just avoid it cause it truly isn't worth the time. People like that most of the time don't even know why they hate people of faith. I know one day they will look back at it and think "What an ass I was" but until then screw it. Mature people know who the Bigger Man or Women are. Not to mention it really only makes them look bad not people of faith and tolerance.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[GHoSToKeR]

"The people who DO believe in God never insult"

thats a lie. both sides are insulting.

[meek mike]

Ghost-

Your right we do insult at times. I've insulted a few people here myself. Of course that doesn't even compare to the many insults I've recieved from people. The way XTC should have said it is:

"The people who DO believe in God insult only after they have been bashed so many times by the same person they have to drop to their level so that way the inital insulter would shut the fuck up and talk topics not insults."

At least thats the way I would have put it. And as you most likely know it works. Example: Larry.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[GHoSToKeR]

i get insulted for being atheist/agnostic all the time.. the insult most commonly used towards me is 'sinner'.

[meek mike]

I see your point but I don't see your point. If you don't believe is sin then I would agree that it's an insult. If you do believe in sin then I can't see how it's an insult. If someone calls you a sinner Ghost just say

"What Bitch and your not!"

That should shut them up. In the Christian belief system everyone sins. So no one has the right to call another a sinner cause in our eyes everyone is a sinner. Christians are some of the worst one cause they hide behind things like "I go to church" "I believe in God" "I don't sin like that" in my opinion Christians are our own worst enemies. We set bad examples for others cause most of the time we are hypocritical.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[juggalo420]

theres no proof of evolution? go to a biology class.

[F L E S H]

Fact is that as on Now there is NO evidence of the creationism theory or the Evolution Theory
Can people STOP saying this? You know, people can have faith all they want, and I don't judge someone on whether they're religious or not. My father's a really religios man, yet I respect him and get along with him just fine. However, to say that there's no proof for evolution is dumb, and implies that you don't WANT to see the proof. Believe me, pick up a book and find out for yourself.

[meek mike]

Believe what you want to believe people, just don't throw insults around

Notice the change to this thread. XTC is saying believe what you want to believe and others are still raming their beleifs down his (because I believe as XTC) my throats.


theres no proof of evolution? go to a biology class

and


However, to say that there's no proof for evolution is dumb, and implies that you don't WANT to see the proof. Believe me, pick up a book and find out for yourself.

Fact is no matter what book you look in it is not a fact. No matter what book we look into God can not be proven it is faith. You read what he wrote and still you attack how bright is that you prove XTC's case with out him having to rebutle anything you say.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[maryjanemama]

As a non Christian, I think a lot of the times we ask where the proof is because we would like to have faith but have a hard time believing in something that is not backed up by scientific fact. That said, a lot of ppl with a faith believe in it because of their own personal reasons that just cannot be proven in a conventional way. I don't believe anyone believes anything because it is forced on them by other religious ppl. Those who grow up within strict religious families often stop practicing the religion of their parents. We make up our own minds and live how we choose.

I think a lot of Christians speak out so much about their faith because they are honestly content with life and just want to share it. They just want to help others that seem lost. The trouble starts with ppl who twist Christianity around and try to force their judgement or corrupt ways, they get the most publicity and ppl start thinking all Christians are crazy, right-wing wackos.

Ask yourself what you believe in and what you have faith in. Then ask yourself why. My answers to those questions can't be explained or proven, and may even seem silly to some ppl but they are what I believe in and I think that most ppl can respect that. I don't think anyone who asks for proof does it with malicious intent.

[GHoSToKeR]

Alot of religious people try to teach others their beliefs, i assume, because they want others to share in something they think is good.. alot of non-religious people (like myself) try and argue against religion because they, or we, want everyone to live their life how they want to live it, not how a religion wants them to live it.. its a win-win and lose-lose situation at the same time.. both sides are happy with their beliefs, but both sides want others to share in their happiness..

[adh endo]

i get insulted for being atheist/agnostic all the time.. the insult most commonly used towards me is 'sinner'.

but if they are christians then they call themselves sinners too or they aint.

cos everyones a sinner

[meek mike]

both sides are happy with their beliefs, but both sides want others to share in their happiness..

Ghost-

I've never heard it put better. You truly are a wise person for your age. It took me many years to come up with just a rough draft of that thought. I already held you in high regards but now va-va-va-voom you shot right to the top of my "Cool as fuck" list.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[GHoSToKeR]

lol cheers bro! this joints for you! fuck it, this joints for theists, atheists and agnostics all over the world :p

[Euphoric]

I dont know. The people who DO believe in God never insult or making hundrends of threads on why you should believe in God, but the people who don't believe in God are CONSTANTLY posting about how there isnt any evidence of a God or that having faith is ignorant, which pissed me off. You guys says you dont want God stuffed down you're throat. Well us, the people who do believe in God dont want reasons why there isnt a God. Simply we dont want it stuffed down our throats. I am getting sick of posting why I believe in God, only to be called ignorant or something. Fact is that as on Now there is NO evidence of the creationism theory or the Evolution Theory. Believe what you want to believe people, just don't throw insults around


do you find yourself questioning your faith? well dont get mad about it hehe :p

[Evisceral]

Growing up as a child i was constantly subjected to christian dogma against my will. Everywhere i turned there would be somebody trying to FORCE me into a belief system that didnt quite fit. I am used to seeing other people's beliefs flagged and shoved and generally made into candy for the masses to eat, but that doesnt mean i need to complain about it. Everyone thinks they are right, and they dont mind telling you so, so you should just learn to grow a diamond skin of immunity to petty insults, because all they really consist of are letters formed into lines that really mean nothing at all, why do you care what this faceless person says about your belief system? Their noise ultimately hurts them more than it does you because it alienates them, just sit back and enjoy the show.

[SuburbanLife224]

Growing up as a child i was constantly subjected to christian dogma against my will. Everywhere i turned there would be somebody trying to FORCE me into a belief system that didnt quite fit. I am used to seeing other people's beliefs flagged and shoved and generally made into candy for the masses to eat, but that doesnt mean i need to complain about it. Everyone thinks they are right, and they dont mind telling you so, so you should just learn to grow a diamond skin of immunity to petty insults, because all they really consist of are letters formed into lines that really mean nothing at all, why do you care what this faceless person says about your belief system? Their noise ultimately hurts them more than it does you because it alienates them, just sit back and enjoy the show.


Hey you there. Yea you. Just follow my links lol. It will be easy once you realise it is. Dont Question. Question Questioning itsself. You will understand the Bible without reading it. (I DID?!!! lol i can show you if you don't believe me yet...) yea just do as i say say as i do realise real eyes real lies Realisation. Realise Realisation. Get it? Gotten.

[caddyman]

I couldnt have put it better myself maryjanemama

[SuburbanLife224]

I love this forum. It's my favborite place to look up things and get ideas from. I've cut back in my posting because no matter what thread I post in there's someone always trying to insult me or make a wise crack about my faith. I did what I came to do here and handled the insults as best as my mood would allow. So now when people start to insult me and my faith I just avoid it cause it truly isn't worth the time. People like that most of the time don't even know why they hate people of faith. I know one day they will look back at it and think "What an ass I was" but until then screw it. Mature people know who the Bigger Man or Women are. Not to mention it really only makes them look bad not people of faith and tolerance.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ


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Hey you there. Yea you. Just follow my links lol. It will be easy once you realise it is. Dont Question. Question Questioning itsself. You will understand the Bible without reading it. (I DID?!!! lol i can show you if you don't believe me yet...) yea just do as i say say as i do realise real eyes real lies Realisation. Realise Realisation. Get it? Gotten.

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[SuburbanLife224]

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Hey you there. Yea you. Just follow my links lol. It will be easy once you realise it is. Dont Question. Question Questioning itsself. You will understand the Bible without reading it. (I DID?!!! lol i can show you if you don't believe me yet...) yea just do as i say say as i do realise real eyes real lies Realisation. Realise Realisation. Get it? Gotten.

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[mr chinnery]

Can people STOP saying this? You know, people can have faith all they want, and I don't judge someone on whether they're religious or not. My father's a really religios man, yet I respect him and get along with him just fine. However, to say that there's no proof for evolution is dumb, and implies that you don't WANT to see the proof. Believe me, pick up a book and find out for yourself.

It hasn't been proved, man. That's why it's a theory. When proven, a theory becomes a law.

[juggalo420]

It hasn't been proved, man. That's why it's a theory. When proven, a theory becomes a law.
do you know some kinda reasonible alternative to evolution, and if you say creationism please shoot yourself.

[weirdo79]

Actually Mr. Chinnery your describing a hypothesis. There is no "law" of anything , ie: the "theory" of gravity, the "theory" of electricity, the "theory" of thermodynamics. When used in a description towards a layman is the only time a scientist will use the term "law", ie: the "laws" of physics the "laws" of mathematics etc etc. At no time will you ever find a scientific study that refers to the "law" of anything(when its proposed to the international college of science). Its a term used simply to explain the reproducable effects to a layman. Just thought you'de like to know, I could care less what people believe in what religion or what(as to this arguement). But I majored in Evolutionary Biology and guess what its a "theory" just like gravity ....If you dont believe in it feel free to stop believing in gravity (you still won't float off the earth trust me). Hope you get the point.....

P.s Dont be offended I just don't like it when people misquote science or twist it to their "view". Empirical evidence is what should guide anything...Without it , we have nothing but guessing....(please dont quote websters either, take a class in "Scientific Method" instead, dictionaries are the worst thing to pull a scientific definition out of).

[jacquelyne]

I hope there is a god.Im not sure myself.I do say prayers every night for everyone i love ive been doing it since i was little and i still do it must be a habit cause i had to.But never went to church only for a wedding or funeral.So if there is a god i really hope he listens to me and answers my prayers.Good luck to anyone that believes or dosent as long as i dont have to listen to it.

[naturalmystic]

I'm one of the least religious person you'll ever meet. Although i haven't taken the time to do research in the different religions, i think it's a waste of my time. I'm a firm believer in extraterrestrial life. And i have nothing against someone that is religious. That's their choice. People have so many different religions because that is in part being free. You are aloud to express your freedom by picking the religioun suites you. And by critizing someone's faith, you're taking away their natural born freedom. But i will say, i don't enjoy the visits by people who try to convert you. When they start going around door-to-door trying to get people to join their religion, or church, or congregation or WHATEVER, then i get annoyed.

[amsterdam]

i work in advertising for a hardware company and we made a commercial for lawncare products that had a guy mowing his yard that was all dusty and full of rocks and weeds.anyway,we had two mormons walking down the street going house to house as they do and one of the rocks shot out from the lawnmower and nailed the guy in the face.it was REALLY funny.however when we put it to a focus group people thought it was mean and we had to pull it.

[GHoSToKeR]

I dont know. The people who DO believe in God never insult or making hundrends of threads on why you should believe in God, but the people who don't believe in God are CONSTANTLY posting about how there isnt any evidence of a God or that having faith is ignorantThe way I see it, and by that I mean in my opinion, the people who believe in God are subject to the biggest practical joke of all time. It's that simple. I'm not trying to be mean, and i'm not saying it's your fault, but you have all been fooled.. fuck, humanity has been fooled for a long time. Some people see through this practical joke for what it is - a way of decieving and controlling the masses - and simply want the people who believe it to be true to realise it for what it is. Earth and Mankind would be a hell of alot better off if the idea of God didn't exist.

P.S. This is what Leonardo da Vinci was talking about in the two quotes in my signature

"Many have made a trade of delusions
and false miracles, decieving the stupid multitude."



"Blinding ignorance does mislead us,
O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

Makes sense to me.

[sugarmagnolia]

Why don't we decide on this. Don't label people as atheists and don't label them as christians. call them by their name. If someone is posting insulting comments who happens to be an atheist don't drag the rest of us down by generalizing. We atheists have a strong belief and like other religious people can get heated in conversations. U must also realize that to be an atheist is to go against a huge majority of the world in your beliefs. That is where the anger can come from.

Just don't label people by the "crew" they are in. Some people who happen to be Christian such as Torog in my opinion attack anyone with different beliefs from them. A way they do it is by calling homosexuals amoral. Now it awesome for religion to be used spiritually, but come on. this is society. and we non-religious people don't want people to be labeled by using religion as a guideline.

[weirdo79]

Actually the majority of the world is atheist Sugar , Most people completely forget about China...it has a history of "atheism". (and has the majority of the worlds population...)

[sugarmagnolia]

^
no china is not a majority of the worlds population dude. It has one of the largest populations, but not a majority. plus it is only "officially" atheist. don't forget all the buddhism and taoism there.

Ur definitely very very wrong. the largest religious group is Christianity.

nice try though.

[weirdo79]

Sorry its only 1.4 billion my mistake, I should have said "asia". Also though "christianity" isnt a religion if your counting "catholicism, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox,Lutheran,Latter day saints,Jehovah's witnesses, Nominal etc etc" all as the same group. Theres over 50 major "sects" for so called christianity. The only people who claim christianity as a whole is those who wish to push their religion to the largest. (not saying your a "christian trying to do this") But I perused over 40 websites all claiming anyway from 2.5% atheist/agnostic to 20% atheist/agnostic. Also anywhere from 22%-30% "christian". When half the groups included in "christian" don't believe that jesus was their messiah etc (which is the definition of "christianity"), I'm inclined to believe that they (christians) would like to believe they're the biggest but if you go deeper than an actual claim it shows more along the lines of each of those groups (catholicism etc) to be separated into actual different religions and not just "sects" as they dont even come close to believing the same thing, for instance Jehovah's witnesses tend to fall in line with Lutherans, but neither comes close to Roman Catholicism. Well I will admit I was wrong , christianity is certainly not the biggest unless you lump all their denominations together which by definition makes them "non christian" as many don't believe Jesus was their saviour (see above). That would make Muslim the largest as the sects in muslim religions all have the same prophets(but not necessarily the same worldview, but the same religious view nonetheless, unlike those we define as "christian" despite their major differences).

Also you define Chinese as having many other religions ie: buddhism and Taoism unfortunately the adherents of such will tell you one thing. Only a "non buddhist or Taoist" would call it a religion (along with confucianism) when the actual practitioners call it a philosphy something entirely different from religion. Which is also why Taoism and Buddhism are generally not taught in university level Religion courses but instead in Philosphy courses , same with confucianism. Also they account for still less than a quarter of china's 1.4 billion. Also it still has the highest population of any country not one of the largest , it is simply still the largest. And, technically speaking still after all those stats that would still make China "1 billion atheists" despite statistics online from major groups (mostly christian based ironically....)

Plus just saying im "very very" anything doesnt make your point backing it up does though ;)

[weirdo79]

China and the UN have their own websites where this information can be found. I'll admit theres only roughly 1.4 Billion Atheists in the world , but according to every "stats" website I could find theres less than 900 million worldwide...Alot of atheists seem to be missing....Or in limbo...Or , simply religious groups would rather not count them at all. if you take the world population numbers and numbers reported internationally on "followers of religion" and atheists are only supposed to be 2.5%-20% even, that means alot of people out there are imaginary as christian , muslim , etc etc all added up still leaves an over 20% margin after calculation.

For instance the following is the rough numbers from the majority of websites out there.
1. Christianity: 2 billion
2. Islam: 1.3 billion
3. Hinduism: 900 million
4. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million
5. Buddhism: 360 million
6. Chinese traditional religion: 225 million(confucianism a philosphy not a religion)
7. primal-indigenous: 150 million
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 95 million
9. Sikhism: 23 million
10. Juche: 19 million
11. Spiritism: 14 million
12. Judaism: 14 million
13. Baha'i: 6 million
14. Jainism: 4 million
15. Shinto: 4 million
16. Cao Dai: 3 million
17. Tenrikyo: 2.4 million
18. Neo-Paganism: 1 million(only a million people? Wiccan's would tend to disagree)
19. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
20. Rastafarianism: 700 thousand (we need more of these....especially considering the site were on ;) )
21. Scientology: 600 thousand (only 600 thousand celebrities with too much money how weird?)
22. Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

This as you can see still doesnt sum up the world population of roughly 6.4 billion In fact it goes below it , but I guess they skipped a few hundred million people and religions. Or decided not to count babies/toddlers etc which account for roughly 1/10 th of the world's pop also throwing this off (as they arent old enough to even know what religions is). Basically all this illustrates is don't believe everything you see online ;) do the math yourself. Also realize that religions will always want to be on top. Also most of the sites claim either "declining" or "growing" each one that isnt governmental says "christianity" is growing, every government website says "falling" (as does every study done on the subject). So im inclined to find anything they report suspect. As would I be suspicious if someone reported Islam was the largest. But if it was actually supported by empirical evidence and not just over generalizations of the different sects then I would believe it. Suffice to say "christianity" only includes those that think of jesus as gods son and the messiah(by definition), which means many included with such arent actually christian at all...I'll admit I was wrong , but just assuming christianity is the biggest because of a few websites without digging deeper is just as "very very wrong" ;).

[juggalo420]

1. Christianity: 2 billion
2. Islam: 1.3 billion
3. Hinduism: 900 million
4. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million
5. Buddhism: 360 million
6. Chinese traditional religion: 225 million(confucianism a philosphy not a religion)
7. primal-indigenous: 150 million
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 95 million
9. Sikhism: 23 million
10. Juche: 19 million
11. Spiritism: 14 million
12. Judaism: 14 million
13. Baha'i: 6 million
14. Jainism: 4 million
15. Shinto: 4 million
16. Cao Dai: 3 million
17. Tenrikyo: 2.4 million
18. Neo-Paganism: 1 million(only a million people? Wiccan's would tend to disagree)
19. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
20. Rastafarianism: 700 thousand (we need more of these....especially considering the site were on ;) )
21. Scientology: 600 thousand (only 600 thousand celebrities with too much money how weird?)
22. Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

also take into account many people listed as christian are listed simply because they were baptised, it doesnt mean there practicing there religion.

[juggalo420]

Sorry its only 1.4 billion my mistake, I should have said "asia". Also though "christianity" isnt a religion if your counting "catholicism, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox,Lutheran,Latter day saints,Jehovah's witnesses, Nominal etc etc" all as the same group. Theres over 50 major "sects" for so called christianity. The only people who claim christianity as a whole is those who wish to push their religion to the largest.
to be fair though theres different sects/denominations in every religion (islam-shitte, sunni) hinduism as more than i can think of, (judaism- orthodox, liberal, ultra-orthodox, other ones also). every major religion has different denominations, it isnt a question of belief or doctrine it has to deal with interpretation and power (power being whose in charge). so inconclusion just because theres different christian denominations doesnt mean there different religions,

i hate defending christianity, but fairs fair.

[weirdo79]

You missed one point I made Jug , those that dont believe christ is the messiah , can't be defined as christians as the definition is those that believe christ is their saviour , god incarnate and the messiah are christians the rest are simply faiths of Yahweh. ;) , I clearly said this (in the part you didnt quote)

[weirdo79]

Oh and jug totally off topic but I used to have some Juggalo neighbours (and man what great partiers) but I was wondering because I really enjoyed their music and had alot of songs downloaded but I forget the majority of the bands "juggalo's" listen too could you give me a few names (besides ICP of course I remember them, ahhh the dating game is still my fave....). I know its commercial (ICP) but I love em , they were great wrestlers too in my estimation (im no expert on that though usually have my nose in a book instead of watching wrestling like I should be ;) ). I miss that stuff. Ever since my HD got wiped out last year I've been having trouble finding all that music :(

[juggalo420]

You missed one point I made Jug , those that dont believe christ is the messiah , can't be defined as christians as the definition is those that believe christ is their saviour , god incarnate and the messiah are christians the rest are simply faiths of Yahweh. ;) , I clearly said this (in the part you didnt quote)
my bad, but i dont know that many christian denominations that deny christs the messiah, i know some like johovahs wittnesses and mormons deny the trinity, which is suppose to be one of christianitys central doctrines, but there not a large percentage.

[juggalo420]

Oh and jug totally off topic but I used to have some Juggalo neighbours (and man what great partiers) but I was wondering because I really enjoyed their music and had alot of songs downloaded but I forget the majority of the bands "juggalo's" listen too could you give me a few names (besides ICP of course I remember them, ahhh the dating game is still my fave....). I know its commercial (ICP) but I love em , they were great wrestlers too in my estimation (im no expert on that though usually have my nose in a book instead of watching wrestling like I should be ;) ). I miss that stuff. Ever since my HD got wiped out last year I've been having trouble finding all that music :(
twiztid, blaze ya dead homie, anybody killa, jumpsteady, dark lotus

[weirdo79]

Thanks for the bands, and there's over 20/of the roughly 50 "sects" (but I would define them as separate religions as I would sunni or shiite in all honesty as well by the classification of "religion"). And Thanks again for the bands I've already downloaded a few (I really like Dark Lotus, I dont think I had any of that before my crash)