Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro

[MVP]

Well, I finally did it. My first attempt at a grow log. Now please be patient and don't expect daily pictures or updates - although I'll try to give them - as I am in the process of getting a new job and that is gonna disrupt some things during this log.

My goal is to post updates at least 3x weekly or more often as life allows. Some background: I grew a couple of Black Dominas (indica strain) in August thru October, but encountered problems with excessive heat (100 F unexpectedly during a late summer warm spell) and then had my biggest cola come crashing down and took out a couple of nice branches. Lesson learned: tie up all colas ahead of time or SCROG them.

So here is where I'm starting this log. I have 2 beautiful girls that I grew from clones (cuts taken 9/28) and they stand about 18 in tall right now, and they have been topped/FIM'ed twice. They are just finishing veg (18/6) in a Hydrohut Mini as I wait for my last crop to finish.

Here are some pics below. Pay no mind to the yellowing leaves on the right side of the pics... that is a Super Skunk mother that is being leached with water for a future project.

Another update in a while when I get back from Home Depot. Gotta grab some DIY supplies as I am figuring to install screening soon and want all the materials on hand when I prepare to move them to the flower closet.

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Right now the Black Dominas (aka BD's) are in temporary quarters in a HydroHut Mini, but will be moved to the flower room within the next 10 days to two weeks. The flowering space is literally the left half of a closet in a spare room - it measures 42 in wide by 24 in deep and although the room has 8 ft ceilings, I am limited to approx 6.5 ft in height due to a activated carbon filter attached to the 6 inch Vortex 449 CFM inline fan.

So the Votex fan is rated at 449 CFM, but seems to push quite a bit stronger than that so I have it attached to a home made variable speed switch - basically a dimmer switch rheostat - that allows me to dial up or down the speed of the fan the same as one would dim lights in their home. The carbon filter is 8 in x 20 in reduced to a 6 in flexible venting and pushed by the fan through the ceiling and vented outside via the roof.

The walls are painted flat white and the closet opening is shielded from light leakage with layers of "Panda" plastic - black on outside/white on the inside. Temps are monitored by a Hygro Thermometer that displays the humidity and temperature for two separate areas, and also records the min/max for each area.

[JackHerer]

Cool MVP will be watching your Black Dominas as Ive had a look at some of those seeds on the old seedbay. Looks like your growing hydro as well so thats good to see also :)

[MVP]

Hey Jack, Welcome to the log. Last time I grew BD's I got 4 oz off two plants without paying much attention to the PPM and PH (first grow in ~ 15 years)... This time I am hoping to better that effort twice over, but with this hobby who knows what will happen.

Stayed tuned it will be informative that's for sure. Hopefully fun and productive too! Comments and questions are encouraged.

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

So in this closet grow space I am using a Sun Systems 430W HPS running a hortilux bulb. The reflector is a Hydrofarm ValuBrite unit with high reflectivity German specular aluminum and optional 4 inch air cooling ports that are so far not being utilized. The ballast is located to the far right of the closet space to avoid excessive heat in the flowering zone (which is in the left half of the closet).

My nutrients are as close to 100 percent organic as possible. I am using are mainly the Botanicare line:
- Pure Blend Pro (Grow and Bloom, depending on the light cycle)
- CalMag
- Liquid Karma
- Sweet
I am also using Earth Juice MicroBlast for micronutrients
And I am using DutchMaster's Zone as a root conditioner.

[MVP]

OK, the closet is getting prepped today - I harvested the plants that were finishing in the flowering closet and they are drying in my MacGyver drying contraption - pics below. Gonna install a screen and give this SCROG thing a try I guess. Wish me luck!

[Weedhound]

Wow.....you got alot of stuff efficiently packed in here. Good job! I can't wait to see these dominas in a scrog formation!!!! They look really good right now.....happy and healthy. :thumbsup:

MVP....your reflector sounds ALOT like mine.....can you take a pic of it when you get a chance?

[MVP]

Here are some pics, including the reflector hood, etc. I will be vacuuming the filter cover today (it is SO gross looking), then installing a muffin fan on the reflector hood to create some airflow to keep temps cooler immediately under the lamp. I will probably add a lens to the lamp sometime in the next few weeks by having a local glass shop cut a piece of tempered glass to fit the hood...

[Weedhound]

Yes that looks quite a bit like mine but is it white on the inside?

[MVP]

It is that high reflectivity German specular aluminum stuff - in other words it is an aluminum interior that has a speckled finish that looks like an orange peel wall texture...

[Weedhound]

Yeah that's what mine has too. Im using it for my 400w mh for vegging and I REALLY like that reflector. ;)

[MVP]

WH, if I remember right, you have the lens and a fan on yours? Or just a fan? How does it help the temps?

I'm half way thu installing a muffin fan right now...

[Weedhound]

I think jorge cervantes mentioned in his book that that particular reflector was one of the best deals in North America....which is saying something in my book.

I use both the glass and the muffin fan (dayton 4 inch....105cfm) but I originally bought the glass back when I used that reflector for my 1kw mh and hps so I was asking it to do a LOT more back then.....which it did very well with a four inch 279 cfm inline fan.
The 400wmh is MUCH less hot than a 1kw (of course) but a 400w/hps will run even cooler than that. The difference between your setup and mine is the space. I have mine running in a huge room so the heat buildup is pretty much nil. I dont at ALL know what it would be in a small space like yours. Are you planning on venting into the room itself? That's what I'm doing.

[MVP]

The room itself is vented thru a 6 in 449 CFM Vortex inline fan that is hooked up to the carbon filter. The whole closet itself is 7 ft wide x 2 ft deep by 8 ft tall = 112 cu. ft. The room is an additional 12 ft x 13 ft = 1152 cu. ft., which means my fan can clear the entire room+closet in under 3 min when run wide open. I usually have it throttled back to 60 percent or so, which means it clears the room in about 4.5 minutes.

My only concern for heat is directly under the light where I have noticed ambient air temps run 80-85 degrees at times. Much of that has changed now that I am running my light during evenings to keep room temps warm at night and moderate during the daytime hours.

I saw in Opie's SCROG (LSTTT thread) that he has a fan directly under the lamp blowing up onto it, so maybe I'll spec that into my build and use that as an additional measure if needed...

[MVP]

Yeah, I love Jorge Cervantes book as well as Greg Green's book too. They get a lot of use around my house. For any beginners or intermediate growers that are following this thread, I highly recommend them in this order.

Amazon.com: Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible: Books: Jorge Cervantes (http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Horticulture-Outdoor-Medical-Growers/dp/187882323X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197846356&sr=8-1)

Amazon.com: The Cannabis Grow Bible: The Definitive Guide to Growing Marijuana for Recreational and Medical Use: Books: Greg Green (http://www.amazon.com/Cannabis-Grow-Bible-Definitive-Recreational/dp/1931160171/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197846397&sr=1-1)

[MVP]

Spent some time workin' with wood today... building the screen of course. First I built a frame out of fir strips (1x2 roughs for those unfamiliar),
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then measured my 2 in x 2 in screening to fit the frame. I went and test mounted the frame first so that if it didn't fit, I was ahead of the game cuz I did not have to remove the screening to fix the fit problem.
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No fit problem at all. Next I used my staple gun with 1/2 staples and secured the screening to the frame before test mounting it again in the closet. I decided to attach mounting strips to the closet, then set the screen on top of the mounting strips and attach it with 2 screws... I'll do that once I vacuum up the mess and install my glass lens on the light.
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This is what it looks like with the screen in place. I am going to make a 'stadium' screen for the 2nd level (approx 8-12 in above the 1st screen) once I get the glass installed on the light and do my final cleaning/sterilization of the space.
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So... that is about it for now. If there is anyone lurking out there I would like to know what you think so far and if there is anything you wanna know about the setup.

I know it is not a true SCROG since I did not veg the plants with the screens in place. In real life shit happens and my last grow had nute deficiencies that screwed up my schedule, and... wa la... I am now gonna finish by flippin' to 12/12 and doing my best to finish them as you see here so far.

If there are any Scrogmasters out there who wanna warn me what I am in for by doing this, I am up for it.

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Today was a big day. I got the closet all cleaned up and monkeyed around with the fans and ventilation and stuff. Then I decided it was time to bring the girls into their new home. Before doing so I got them situared in their new DWC grow containers.

These containers I made from 10 gal. sterlite storage totes, 3/4 ball valve plumbing, and covered them with aluminum tape to seal out ALL light from the reservoir.
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I then cut 2 holes in the container top - one to fit my square 6 in net pots, and one to fit the round 6 in net pots. My reason for doing this was simple: to afford easy access to the res for PPM and PH monitoring. Also to have flexibility when I wanted to use one type of pot over the other (so I didn't have to waste cash and buy multiple lids).
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Now each DWC bubbler has its own 14 inch airstone that is run by a dual line air pump rated for a 30-60 gallon aquarium setup. I used a "T" just inside the res to bring both lines together and power the airstone. As you can imagine, plenty 'o bubbles.

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Lastly I prepped the girls into their new containers and went on to finish up a few final details on the grow space itself...

[MVP]

Ahhhh, there they are in the HydroHut, getting ready to move to their new place...

[MVP]

The deal is that I cannot remember exactly what I posted, and when the site went down last night I retreated to the garden and did a little bit more work. I'll have to update quickly cuz I gotta run errands in a few minutes.

Moved them into the flowering closet and test fitting the 'stadium' type screen.
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Here they are in the closet for the first time. The air lines and electrical cords are a bit messy, but I am gonna clean those up this afternoon when the lights go on.
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When I was test fitting the top screen I had to bend it around a bit to get the fit I wanted. Once happy with the fit I attached the screen to nailing strips with the staplegun. I then mount the screen to the wall by screwing drywall screws into the wall studs in the closet. That way if I ever need/have to remove the screen it is as easy as removing a couple of screws (as opposed to stapling it into the closet and having to rip it out)...
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The next two pics below show the screens in place after I attached the nailing strip to the wall and spent some time tweaking the screen and bending it into place to my liking.

Next update this afternoon sometime..... thanks for stopping by

[Weedhound]

Wow that looks great MVP! Can't wait to see those babies start spreading out through that screen. Too much work for me....but certainly would like to have the results from all the energy youve put into them. Think you'll have a GREAT harvest here! :thumbsup:

Ps....Good photos too....even I understood what you were doing. :D

[Shovelhandle]

That looks a top shelf grow room, MVP. Lots of effort and know-how for sure.

Shovelhandle

[MVP]

Wow that looks great MVP! Can't wait to see those babies start spreading out through that screen. Too much work for me....but certainly would like to have the results from all the energy youve put into them. Think you'll have a GREAT harvest here! :thumbsup:

Ps....Good photos too....even I understood what you were doing. :D

It was a bit of work, but maybe I can save someone a headache or two with the pics... so far this is the best alternative I have come up with to maximize yield and minimize problems based upon available space.


That looks a top shelf grow room, MVP. Lots of effort and know-how for sure.

Shovelhandle

Thanks Shov, I hope to learn some with this grow and if you have experience with this type of setup comments and suggestions are appreciated!

[Cocoflava]

Man That Looks Great! Keep the Posting coming!
Got Some Rep Coming Your way aswell.

-Wil

[cmasfca]

Is there flat white on all four sides of your cab or is that piece of cardboard making it 3 white one brown?

If so, spray paint it! Or you could buy a science fair poster board.

[MVP]

Latest pics with screens in place and bottom growth trimmed away. Electrical and air pumps/lines have been organized as well.

Plus I snuck in a pic of the clones from the Cloning Log I made for WH a few weeks back... I'll post it there too in a sec.

Damn gnats are driving me crazy, as you can tell from the yellow sticky strip on the wall and the No Pest Strip between the pots. Who knows how to get rid of those little fuckers?! They are totally pissing me off!

[MVP]

Is there flat white on all four sides of your cab or is that piece of cardboard making it 3 white one brown?

If so, spray paint it! Or you could buy a science fair poster board.

All walls are painted white... where does it look like cardboard? If there is something non-reflective in there I overlooked I wanna know! :stoned:

[cmasfca]

What is this cardboard in the picture:

Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/170782d1198001745-closet-doms-water-ad-hoc-log-black-dominas-dwc-hydro-2851.jpg)

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[Weedhound]

Mvp I like Dont Bug Me from Foxfarms.....and i'd be using it now before I got a bunch of nice tight hard to ventilate buds going there.....;)

[Weedhound]

Yeah mvp....that doesn't look like white to me.....it looks like bone....or eggshell....or something......:wtf: :D

[cmasfca]

Ooohhhhh that's not cardboard...that's the wall!

I didn't realize the hps was on haha...I'm stoned :(

[Weedhound]

X-Crispi told me something about his white paint....it wasn't truly white either....i think it really WAS eggshell.....something about the reflection......cm....you aren't the only one who's stoned....:stoned: :rasta:

[MVP]

Ooohhhhh that's not cardboard...that's the wall!

I didn't realize the hps was on haha...I'm stoned :(

Exactly folks... the wall + HPS = what you are seeing there... :stoned:

[MVP]

Errr, correction: what you are seeing in the attachments (post #19) is a poorly lit photo on the left, and a better shot on the right.... DOH!

[Opie Yutts]

craftsmanship: A
cleanliness: A
inventiveness: A
understanding of the scope of the project: A
able to play nice and get along: A
efficient use of materials at hand: A

I'll be looking in. Very interested to see the progression and outcome. Nice job.

Still can't rep you though, damn it.

[Opie Yutts]

That dimmer switch looks familiar for some reason.

[Weedhound]

ALL A'S!!! Wow!!! Honor Roll.....:D

[JackHerer]

Looking forward to seeing those Domina's tied down & budding in that room of yours MVP. Nice work:thumbsup:

[MVP]

Here's the scoop - I logged these nute numbers some time ago and just found most of the notes, so I am posting them for y'all to see.

Let me say that I have not named the girls yet. So I am calling the one on the left BD1 and the right BD2. I know, I know, very unimaginative... maybe someone can suggest names that will fit.

Anyhoo, here we go:

BD1 Nutes 12/11:
3 gal RO water = 12 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 12 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 153 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 523 PPM
+ 20 ml/gal PBP Bloom = 1357 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Karma = 1427 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Sweet = 1520 PPM

Added about 8 ml of UP to get to 5.8 PH

BD2 Nutes 12/11:
3 gal RO water = 12 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 12 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 156 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 550 PPM
+ 20 ml/gal PBP Bloom = 1282 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Karma = 1360 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Sweet = 1435 PPM

Added about 6 ml of UP to get to 5.8 PH

[MVP]

Checked the res on 12/17 approx 10pm:

BD1 was 6.3 PH, 1660 PPM
added Down and 1 gal RO water to get 1495 PPM, PH 5.7

BD2 was 5.8 PH, 1770 PPM
added 1.25 gal RO water and a few drops of Down to get 1349 PPM, PH 5.8

[Weedhound]

Are your leaf edges curling at all? do you think they got a touch burned or do they look good? Mine always start burning at about 1500 ppm.

[MVP]

12/22 @ 1145pm:
BD1 was 5.3 PH, 1560 PPM
added 1 gal RO water and a few ml UP to get 1300 PPM, PH 5.9

BD2 was 5.5 PH, 1700 PPM
added 1 gal RO water and a few ml UP to get 1220 PPM, PH 5.9

12/23 @ 1030pm:
BD1 was 6.1 PH, 1295 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1295 PPM

BD2 was 6.2 PH, 1270 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1270 PPM

12/24 @ 430pm:
BD1 was 5.9 PH, 1315 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1315 PPM

BD2 was 6.2 PH, 1263 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1263 PPM

12/25 @ 900am:
BD1 was 5.8 PH, 1378 PPM
did nothing

BD2 was 5.8 PH 1335 PPM
did nothing

Res change planned for 3pm today when the lights come on...

[MVP]

Are your leaf edges curling at all? do you think they got a touch burned or do they look good? Mine always start burning at about 1500 ppm.

Hey WH,
So far they are pretty hearty and not showing any nute burn that I can tell. Some of the lower leaves are getting brown and brittle probably due to lack of light and nutes being directed to growing shoots. I let them get up above 1500 PPM only when I got busy and didn't check the PH/PPM for a few days.

These BDs seem to take alot of abuse with nutes. They were the ones that I grew originally when the cola crashed down prior to harvest. That was when I didn't have a PPM pen and just mixed according to the directions per Botanicare literature (which I believe is too aggressive).

So far, so good. I am changing nutes today and gonna try to report PPM/PH numbers as often as I can... hopefully daily.

[Weedhound]

Wow, gotta love Mr Clipboard.....:D

[MVP]

There has been a Res Change and new nutes for the (anonymous, unnamed) girls. I snuck in just before "lights on" and snapped this pic:
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BD1 Nutes:
3 gal RO water = 10 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 10 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 184 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 615 PPM
+ 15 ml/gal PBP Grow = 1378 PPM
+ 6 ml of UP to get a PH of 5.8

Added it all to the res (which always has a little residual solution left in it) and PPM was 1266. Not what I wanted so I added 15 ml more PBP Grow and final PPM = 1427, PH = 5.8.

BD2 Nutes:
3 gal RO water = 10 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 10 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 160 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 596 PPM
+ 20 ml/gal PBP Grow = 1527 PPM
+ 5 ml of UP to get a PH of 5.8

Added it all to the res and PPM was 1388. Damn near perfect. Final PPM = 1388, PH = 5.8.

And for those that are interested, I took a couple of shots of their roots. Pretty white and strong although parts look a bit brownish, which I attribute to the organic micro-nutes. You'll see in the shot that brown residue in the reservoir.
If anyone has a different opinion let me know...
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Oh, BTW - still got those damn gnats so I added 1/4 of a Mosquito Dunk to each res to help fix the problem (hydro store didn't carry Gnatrol, said they had same active ingredient). If anyone develops a gnat problem, check out this link and LW's idea on how to get rid of those little fuckers....

[Weedhound]

MVP.....what day of flowering are you at? Have your plants been on CalMag from the start here? May be time to start backing down your CalMag. Might be the lighting but those are some DARK green leaves.

[Weedhound]

Hey....you could leave out the extra pbp and start up some LK or sweet.....just thinking out loud....well thinking in type....:D

[MVP]

Actually still in Veg - using Grow nutes not Bloom as mistakenly indicated in the retro post. I'm trying to fill out the screen with growing shoots before flipping them over to Flower (that is also part of why I started flowering the MK clones from the cloning log - so I could have some buds while waiting out the BD SCROG).

Regarding LK/Sweet, I was thinking of following Latewood's method - adding the LK and/or Sweet during top offs - when the water levels fall. I'm gonna go stick my head in there now and look at the leaves. It's probably the lighting (so friggin tough to get shots inside a closet), but I wanna make sure that its on the right course.

Another post momentarily after I check out their color.....

[Weedhound]

If they are in veg i'm happy with their color..:thumbsup:...must be the lighting.....sorry if i scared you. :( I'll get your feedback about latewood's method....never tried it myself but always like to hear about stuff that works. ;)

[Opie Yutts]

And for those that are interested, I took a couple of shots of their roots. Pretty white and strong although parts look a bit brownish, which I attribute to the organic micro-nutes. You'll see in the shot that brown residue in the reservoir.
If anyone has a different opinion let me know...

Mine look alot like that when I use Liquid Karma. It has chunks that settle to the bottom.

[Weedhound]

LK does it to mine too....rinses off if you are gentle with the roots....but I don't really worry about it.

[MVP]

They are a delightful medium/dark green so I am happy that they are happy. I am gonna add the LK at the first top-off (when it gets at least 1 gal below where it is now). The roots from the first BD grow were alot more brownish from the LK so I'm not even worrying about it at this point...

[MVP]

Oh, BTW - still got those damn gnats so I added 1/4 of a Mosquito Dunk to each res to help fix the problem (hydro store didn't carry Gnatrol, said they had same active ingredient). If anyone develops a gnat problem, check out this link and LW's idea on how to get rid of those little fuckers....

DOH! Forgot the link... here it is y'all.....

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/66680-gnats-someone-help.html

[MVP]

Checked them and both were running high on PPM and PH:

BD1 was at 1520 PPM and 6.7 PH
BD2 was at 1518 PPM and 6.7 PH

Not sure exactly what has happened, but maybe the Dunks had something to do with it. I adjusted them both by adding RO water and Down:

BD1 is 1345 PPM and 5.7 PH
BD2 is 1342 PPM and 5.5 PH

I'll keep an eye on them and see if the PH/PPM creeps up anymore. Gotta run and reposition some shoots and trim back a couple of big honkin' leaves that are covering bud sites...

[Weedhound]

sounds like they are starting to burn......

[MVP]

Yeah, you may be right. I am trying to keep them below 1350 PPM and see if they respond, as there are no visible signs of over fert so far. If they don't rebound I'm adding another gallon of RO to each of them tomorrow...

[Weedhound]

When my ph starts to climb....quickly and it seems to to take more ph down than usual to get it back down I start thinking about being at the edge of nuteburn. . This is just my personal way of checking my own plants so don't feel I'm passing on some big secret.......may not work for you at all. ;)

[MVP]

This is the first time I have witnessed a significant climb like that in my hydro days, so I'll take this tidbit of knowledge and see how it plays out in the next couple of days... thanks for looking out for me amiga!

[MVP]

BD1 drank down about 0.50 gal of water and the PH was 5.7, PPM 1393.
BD2 drank down a little more than 0.50 gal and PH was 5.4, PPM 1411.

Added RO water to bring them back to target level mark in each res (currently 3.5 gal), added 14 drops Up to BD2, and here are their numbers heading into their night time (dark from 9am - 3pm):

BD1 = 5.7 PH, 1321 PPM
BD2 = 5.7 PH, 1312 PPM

[Weedhound]

For me....ph is my biggest key with this.....it will tell you before any other signs of problems. (But....sometiimes the f*cking ph just goes weird.....:wtf:)

Way to keep an eye on the plants MVP! :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Almost forgot to add that last night I removed the last of the undergrowth from beneath the screen and pushed a bunch of fans leaves down below the canopy to give the shoots more light. It appears I am done removing growth and getting ready to flip to 12/12 within the next week and a half or so. I have been running an HPS under an 18/6 light cycle for the last 10 days (I don't have a MH conversion bulb for the ballast).

[Opie Yutts]

How bout some new pics?

[MVP]

Checked them a couple of minutes ago, gonna watch them since they just woke up:

BD1 1320 PPM, 5.6 PH
BD2 1325 PPM, 5.5 PH

Here are some add'l photos. Since the only light in the closet is the GROW light, getting quality pictures is tough.

Pic 1 + 2: this is the closet with lights out, they are not as dark as they appear in these photos
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Pic 3: from top with light moved (PITA!), showing their true colors
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Pic 4 + 5: better details of what canopy looks like, but colors off due to HPS
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[Weedhound]

Looking nice.....starting to get exciting. :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Checked them at 6pm = 3 hours after lights come on.

BD1 was at 5.1 PH and 1368 PPM
BD2 was at 5.0 PH and 1428 PPM.

Decided I was pushing them too hard, and drained res at 10pm. Refilled with RO water and adjusted PH. Due to bubbler design, a little residual solution remains in res and affects final PH/PPM.

BD1 is at 5.8 PH and 306 PPM
BD2 is at 5.8 PH and 511 PPM.

Haven't seen them yet today (12/30) so I will check and post back. Yesterday they had good growth, no nute burn, and were filling the screen pretty well. Update to follow.

[MVP]

Update: Checked the numbers a few minutes ago and here they are:

BD1 was at 5.2 PH and 326 PPM
BD2 was at 5.2 PH and 456 PPM.

All I did was I adjusted PH.

BD1 is at 5.9 PH and 326 PPM
BD2 is at 5.7 PH and 456 PPM.

Growth shoots are popping up everywhere; I accounted for between 25 - 30 total bud sites with a quick roll call. Fan leaves abundant that I keep pushing down below the shoots - I have not cut any away at all, just push them down every day.

There may be a few more bud site stragglers, but I am okay with that... ;)

Oh yeah, a couple of photos with the HPS in action.

[Weedhound]

MVP....you're using something for your roots arent you? Hydrogard or something? Between you and CM, you guys make me want to try that Scrog thing. :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Yeah, I am using Dutch Master's ZONE product, which is supposed to be a root conditioner. I'm thinking that I am just running them too hot for their age and gotta back off a bit. Not running a zyme though...

P.S. WH, you should check out the clones from that clone log I made for you a month ago... they are now flowering --- http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145373-flowering-mk-clones-cloning-log.html

[smokenss]

i like the way the seed co's make the black dominas sound .will be watching this 2 the smoke report.
good luck,it all looks gr8 at the moment :thumbsup:


:smokin:ss

[MVP]

Small changes in numbers since yesterday. Seems to be going in the right direction:

BD1 was at 6.3 PH and 263 PPM
BD2 was at 6.0 PH and 405 PPM.

Now I am gonna mix some fresh nutes and target the PPM around 1000. Hopefully that will help me keep them from locking up and/or burning but still give them adequate nourishment.

Next update will be in 2008!

MVP
:i feel stupid: :icon401: :pimp: :lol5:

[GixxerRidinToker]

MVP- between you, weedhound, and stinkyattic... you guys are going to drive me to drop some dough and set up a system. I'm tired of watching my mates get pretty and then he not even giving me a taste... ITS ON!

[beginerbuddah]

whats the 'stadium screen for'?
ive never seen that before
:rastasmoke:

[MVP]

whats the 'stadium screen for'?
ive never seen that before
:rastasmoke:

It is so the canopy forms a shape to match the intensity of the light, which is rounded when using a HID light - a 400W High Pressure Sodium in this case.

[Opie Yutts]

Fan leaves abundant that I keep pushing down below the shoots - I have not cut any away at all, just push them down every day.

IMHO that is the way to do it. I know some people trim everything off clean up to the screen, which is a huge mistake in my book. I could spend hours a day at mine just pushing fan leaves down. I've found that if you just look over all the screen and push down any and all fan leaves, you usually will be exposing some bud that you didn't know you had under each fan leaf.

Looks like they're fattening up real nice.

[beginerbuddah]

It is so the canopy forms a shape to match the intensity of the light, which is rounded when using a HID light - a 400W High Pressure Sodium in this case.

whats the screen underneeth it for then?
:rastasmoke:

[MVP]

whats the screen underneeth it for then?
:rastasmoke:

The lower screen is to tuck under the growth shoots during initial veg cycle. A few weeks after the 12/12 flower cycle is started the buds are trained to and supported by the upper screen.

[Opie Yutts]

About your question in my thread, I noticed that you don't do nearly as many bud sites as I do, which is a good thing. I think on my next grow I will try for somewhere in between what you and I are doing. Well anyway, before you know it you and I are going to have a nice pile of buds to play in. Lord willing, knock on wood, etc. All of us who are harvesting around the same time soon, should just dump everything in one big pile. We could run and jump in it, make weed angels, build forts, inhale it, all kinds of stuff. That would be fun.

[MVP]

Here is the background on a decision that I have to make soon: It turns out that I seem to have had these vegging too long without a screen in place to train them to and as a result I have HEFTY shoots that are super strong but don't wanna train too well. There are a bunch of growth shoots that are thicker than a pencil mainly in the left side of the screen. The right side is filling out nicely too, but at a slower rate.

I gotta wonder when I should kick them into 12/12. The tops that are growing strongly are too large to simply tuck back under, and they are also gonna block the lower shoots that need to catch up. With the 2nd screen in place I am thinking to let them grow past the 1st screen as they are already, then train them to the perimeter of upper screen.

Now the big thing is timing... WHEN to flip 'em over into flower :confused:. I've been wrestling with this for the last 3-4 days and think I'll do it sooner than later. Hmmm, better go think about it and find my clipboard notes so I can update the nute numbers... I guess after all this is an experiment, so I'll post back a bit later.

Oh yeah, pics from today just as the HPS clicked on:

[MVP]

Well..... I have been posting for a while and now NEED INPUT. Anyone lurking out there that knows (or thinks they know) what they are doing I am gonna need for you to speak up. I'm not taking votes but I am asking for opinions from the audience. Don't be shy.

I have somewhere around 50-75 bud sites in the 7 sq ft area I'm growing, and it is a jungle. Somewhere around 7-10 bud sites per sqare foot... More on the LHS than on the RHS. However either way I am gonna need to do something soon and want to get it under control.

Should I :
A. keep vegging and grow a bigger jungle before flowering?
B. cut a bunch of fans leaves and veg a bit longer so they recover?
C. say Fuck It, Let's Flower!! and flip them over in 2-3 days?

Advice will be considered until tomorrow night around 8pm (Fri 1/4 on the West Coast).
Then I'll have to Make It Happen over the weekend.
Whatever the hell "It" turns out to be.

The phone lines are open, make your selection now.

[Opie Yutts]

Ha, welcome to the wonderful world of never ending dilemmas in scrog experimentation. There is no answer. I just went to 12/12 a couple days ago and have some ridiculously huge number of bud sites. Live and Learn. If you have plenty of weed I would keep vegging until you think that all the screen will be filled in once you start letting the colas come up through the screen. That is the most efficient use of space and use of light. However if you are short on weed and don't care about filling it all in and making it look real nice, just do it. Now.

Honestly I'm not really understanding your style here since the top screen is 0% filled in. I wouldn't be going to flower until the top screen is about 2/3 or more filled in. Perhaps since I obliged your and your similar questions about my screen (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/140716-lsttt-low-stress-twisty-tie-training.html), you could do the same for me in your thread. What's your logic behind this madness? I'm certainly not trying to insinuate that your madness is any less sane than mine, I just don't understand. You think yours is a jungle, well what about mine with 8 times the number of shoots per area? I way overshot my shoots. I was too determined to get a nice full carpet this time, plus trying LST for my first real time.

I don't understand why you can't pull those main bud sites down under the screen. They don't look that terribly formidable. I do mine when they are like that. Hmm, super strong stalk syndrome is it? Yes I remember when I had SSSS once. I just had to push the top of the shoot in one direction while pulling at the middle of the stem in the other direction. Usually, at that size, they could get stuffed through without a problem. Sometimes I'd snap one clean off, but if a person keeps a strip of masking tape handy, they can tape these decapitated ones back together and they recover completely.

I'm probably not answering your questions much and I apologize. It's late and I'm just waiting for two reservoirs to finish draining so I can add flower nutes for the first time this grow. I should have been in bed hours ago, so please forgive me if I'm not making much sense. In my defense, David Byrne told me to stop making sense.

[Weedhound]

I personally.....having NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP...(to be clear) would get them through the screen whether by pushing or by pruning. If I pruned them I would give them enough time to recover before flipping them. I personally would want my ducks in a row before turning to 12/12. And if you lose a few here or there I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to notice by the end. ;)

[MVP]

Honestly I'm not really understanding your style here since the top screen is 0% filled in. I wouldn't be going to flower until the top screen is about 2/3 or more filled in.

The upper screen is for support of the colas. Last time I grew these BD's they came crashing down on me due to support issues (or lack thereof), so I am using the upper screen to tie the buds up to - let them bud through - during the flower process.


Perhaps since I obliged your and your similar questions about my screen (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/140716-lsttt-low-stress-twisty-tie-training.html), you could do the same for me in your thread. What's your logic behind this madness?

The plants were moved into the room after several weeks of flowering. One (RHS) was topped prior to the move while the other was catching up. The trunk of each plant is nearly 1 in thick and each is 24 in tall before the first screen. Lower screen is to train the shoots and possibly tie down unmanageable ones before flowering, while using the upper screen to support growing tops when they stretch during flowering.


I don't understand why you can't pull those main bud sites down under the screen. They don't look that terribly formidable.

They are over 1/4 inch thick and right at a node. They are pushing the screen up and they are inflexible too. I am worried I will snap off their heads if I tuck them under. I snapped one completely off that was under half the size as the beefy shoots ones. I don't wanna break their heads off and have to wait 2 weeks to recover before flipping them to 12/12 just cuz I manhandled them.


Hmm, super strong stalk syndrome is it? Yes I remember when I had SSSS once.

Yes SSSS. It's a bitch. At least its not SSS - shitty shoot syndrome. Probably due to a very unconventional attempt at SCROG and letting them grow 2 ft before screening them. I've learned a helluva lot so far and promise to to it better next time. Really, I will. It will save me a lot of work and headaches.


I should have been in bed hours ago, so please forgive me if I'm not making much sense. In my defense, David Byrne told me to stop making sense.

I know the feeling. These beautiful ladies require a lot of attention. Blues Traveler told me that I gotta stop Mulling It Over, Just Wait, and Slow Change...... But Anyways.....

[MVP]

I personally.....having NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP...(to be clear) would get them through the screen whether by pushing or by pruning. If I pruned them I would give them enough time to recover before flipping them. I personally would want my ducks in a row before turning to 12/12. And if you lose a few here or there I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to notice by the end. ;)


What's up Hound.... thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. This is a total n00b experiment for me.... I HAVE NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP EITHER!! :eek:

Background here: I topped before screening them and just about every day I see them there are 5-10 new shoots that will be bud sites. Since I have 2 screens in place I am planning to flip 'em in the middle of next week (2 weeks since last pruning), then use LST between the screens to keep the monster shoots in check. Most likely training them horizontally to the outer spots on the stadium curvature.

These babes have been under 18/6 since they were little bitty transplanted clones on 10/1. They are quite stout and since I wanna grow Buds and not Wood, I think I'll flip 'em soon just for shits and giggles. If they respond anything like the last BD grow I'll be up to my eyeballs in dense sticky buds. Besides, I laid it out last night on a sheet of paper, and if I have 7-10 bud sites (or more) per square foot I'll be happy with the experiment.

Botton line I'm shooting to better my 1st BD grow of 7oz, yet my actual goal is between 10-12 oz dried herb.... Wish Me Luck!!

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Well they aren't going to get any younger.....or any smaller either....:wtf:..I say go for it before the jolly green giant climbs down off one of those stalks. ;)

[MVP]

Well after tucking leaves and repositioning shoots for hours several consecutive days, I threw them into an extended darkness period as I prepare them for flowering. Tomorrow night at 7pm they will come lights on to their new daily regimen of 12/12.

Being an experiment, I have learned quite a bit already: get the screen in place while they are small and more flexible being the main lesson.

I'll be on Grow nutes for another 7-10 days before a transition batch 50/50 grow/bloom and then to full strength bloom nutes. I anticipate another 2+ weeks of tucking and training, but cannot be sure. I'll update later in the week once they wake up from their day and a half nap...

[Opie Yutts]

Being an experiment, I have learned quite a bit already: get the screen in place while they are small and more flexible being the main lesson.


The main lesson I learned from this last one is not so much LST, or mainly, not so many damn bud sites. I'm glad we can learn from our mistakes.

[Shovelhandle]

just checkin' it all out, man. :thumbsup:

shv

[tokr2153]

look real good hoping to start my on hydro setup soon keep us posted

[MVP]

Today they woke up from their day and a half nap to a turning point in their lives. It's kinda like the first day of school, except its the first day of FLOWER! So keeping with the school theme, here is their report card:

BD1 5.8 PH, 998 PPM
BD2 5.8 PH, 1162 PPM
(both are almost exactly the same as 2 days ago)

So I had to commemorate the first day of Flower with a couple of photos. Lots of shoots, very thick in many cases, and plenty of tucking done already. I am gonna tuck for another week, or maybe just let them stretch to the upper screen. Not quite sure at the moment. First 2 pics of the canopy under HPS. Third pic of the fan I moved below to add air movement to them. Cramped space above not allowing good air circ until I move the hood up in a few weeks.

Lower leaves are getting a bit brittle and slightly deficient :wtf: but all top growth is lush and green. Looks like slight CA and/or K def below. Flushed and changed nutes on 12/31 and look good on top since then.

And so as to not leave anybody out, the last 2 pics are of their sisters - MK clones (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145373-flowering-mk-clones-cloning-log.html#post1781235) - I cut to show Weedhound a bit about how I do cloning. They have been flowering 13 days now. Link in sig too...

Enjoy the pics and check back again soon.

[Weedhound]

It will be interesting to see how similar (or NOT similar) these will be down the road. ;)

[MVP]

I'm actually kinda excited about running the MK clones at the same time as the Dominas. Dominas were stout, bushy and almost 2 ft tall when I threw them under a screen. Kushes (if thats a word, well now it is...) were 8 in tall and just establishing good roots.

Big difference so far has been the training and tucking is SOOOOO much easier with the MKs as their trunks and shoots are much more pliable. The MKs also have been had slightly more regualr attention paid to them (weekly res change) than the Dominas. BDs had a stretch of 10-11 days without res change and I think they went slightly deficient for a short period of time.

Either way I am liking the SCROG type thing so far, it is easy to train using LST when all I really have to do is poke them down under the screen and reposition them every couple of days.

[DEF1CON]

damn skippy thats a nice set up:thumbsup:, i want to do something like that but smaller and inside a little cabi. i think it would work well in a small 3-5 plant config with EBB and flow hydro set up with a traditional tray and the res. out side the cab. it will be a stealth set up:pimp:. i will start a thread on it when i start;)


ill be watching your updates!:stoned:

[MVP]

Hey DEF, good to have ya along. I have a smaller one going in Flower with the Master Kush right now. Link in sig will take ya there. It is sized about perfect for a cabinet, which is gonna be my next project. I've been studying designs and am gonna try to have a stealth cabinet built by the time these finish in late Feb/early March...

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Yesterday was Day 2 of 12/12 and I added some supplemental light in the form of 6 23W CFLs burning at 2700K, half on one side of the hood and half on the other. The setup is made using 2 power strips, 6 bulbs, and 6 of those plug-in socket thingees hooked up to the same timer as the HPS (Opie's idea that I borrowed....)
[attachment=o173888][attachment=o173889]

I also tackled the growing shoots and was able to tuck most of them back under or tie them down using twist ties. Here are a couple of photos of the shoots tied down.
[attachment=o173890][attachment=o173891]

I still have 3 main shoots that are too strong to tie down without snapping them off, so I plan to train them to the perimeter of the upper screen as they stretch the upcoming weeks. Battery on camera died during photo session - I'll get more pics of them soon.

[Opie Yutts]

Still looking good MVP. The lower leaves on mine do not look so hot as well. Seems like I've always had that problem with AK-47.

I think the extra lights are a good idea, and should help at least some with yield, maybe a lot.

[tokr2153]

Wow man looking really good mvp whats your goal in terms of yield.

[Opie Yutts]

Hey MVP. Did you realize that you are one of the lucky few who got to keep their photos during the last critical maintenance?

[zebulon]

Photos??? Where??? I can't see no photos....this maintenance sux really bad...why are they ruining this great site????

[MVP]

Hey MVP. Did you realize that you are one of the lucky few who got to keep their photos during the last critical maintenance?

Holy Toledo Batman, I am grateful that they are still here. That would have meant going over the that *ahem, other* site I posted on since CC keeps going up and down like a Monday morning elevator, and copying the entire Log back over here.

Whew! Glad that didn't happen. So now it looks like the coast is clear to copy the last few days posts over here now. I sure hope the site stays up and stable for a while now.

Let me know seem to be complaining. I am happy the pics are still here. Just make sure they stay here and don't get wiped out.

[smokenss]

wat pics?

[MVP]

wat pics?

Post 93 has pics, as does 88, as do others earlier in this thread...

[MVP]

Last night (1/10) I did a res change and freshened their nutes, increasing the strength a little bit on each bubbler:

2.5 gal RO water = 20 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 20 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 220 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 705 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal Pure Blend Pro = 1280 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Liquid Karma = 1400 PPM
---------------------------------
Added to res, adjusted PH, topped with RO

Final Result = 5.8 PH, 1250 PPM, 3.2 gal in res

Here are a few photos from last night. There are a nice number of new shoots that are popping up all over. The 3 main colas that can't be tucked are still going strong, almost too strong.....

Sorry folks, no pics. CannCom tells me I cannot upload my pics:

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[smokenss]

sorry man no pics were coming up b4 on my screen but its all good now:D

[MVP]

Here are the pics from last Thursday:
[attachment=o174182][attachment=o174183]

[Weedhound]

Bushy bastards (figuratively of course :D) They look great. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Don't people believe in bug spray? Don't Bug Me by Fox Farms. Don't have pets in there do you?

[MVP]

Here is what is happening with the Dominas. I checked them recently and each drank down about 1/2 gal of water, actually BD2 drank a bit more than that. Here are their numbers as of 11pm Saturday night (1/12):

BD1 = 6.2 PH / 1291 PPM
BD2 = 6.3 PH / 1270 PPM

I adjusted both of them to 5.7 PH and BD1 to 1125 PPM and BD2 to 1060 PPM by adding RO water only. It was late so I left them like that to see if they consume more nutes or more water.

I also spent 2 hours tucking and tying down shoots. Here are the "before" pics:

[attachment=o174383][attachment=o174384]

Here are the "after" shots. I used nice soft blue yarn from Wally World to tie the girls down:

[attachment=o174385][attachment=o174386]

I'll update later when I get a chance.

[Weedhound]

Sadist! :D

[MVP]

They loved it and here's a pic from last night that proves it... See them with the pretty blue accents now? They are happy girls! ;)

[attachment=o174394]

WH, can you check your rep and email me when you have a minute. Need to ask advice about your Hanna PH pen. I don't wanna go way too far off topic and rant on the subject here...

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

yes but here's my best advice.....lay it very carefully under the wheel of your car and hit the gas. :D

[Opie Yutts]

I've heard from many sources that Hanna's suck, unless you buy their most expensive model or two.

And sorry WH, I've never found a need for bug spray in a grow. After killing my mites with a pest strip, never since had a pest problem.

[MVP]

I've heard from many sources that Hanna's suck, unless you buy their most expensive model or two.

Well add me to that list regarding their pHep4 pen. I was so pissed off I ordered a $25 Milwaukee to see if the Hanna was correct or not. The Cheapie pen reads exactly what the old school PH test kit does. The Hanna reads 0.8 - 1.1 higher than the kit! Piece O Crap!!!

[Weedhound]

Yeah....sigh.....My "good" hanna really WAS good for quite a while.....guess I didn't appreciate it enough and it went sour......:(

The second ph pen from hanna was a born piece of shit :mad:

[MVP]

They have been in flower for 8 days now, so I snuck in just as they were waking up last night and snapped of couple of photos:

[attachment=o174560][attachment=o174561]

Each drank down about 1/2 gallon of water, and here are their nute numbers:

BD1 = 5.9 PH, 1195 PPM
BD2 = 5.8 PH, 1133 PPM

I left them as is and will check them again tonight.

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Damn you guys make me want to try that!!!

[MVP]

Not a whole lot to tell the last 24 hours, except they are thirsty girls! Their PPMs and PH are both rising, so I am going to back off their nutes a bit, even though I am not seeing signs of nute burn anywhere.

The little sister (BD1) drank down about 3/4 gallon bringing her PH up to 6.5 and PPM to 1327. I added Down and 1 gal RO water and now she sits at 5.9 PH, 900 PPM.

Big sister drank down over a gallon bringing her PH up to 6.4 and PPM to 1293. I added 10ml EJ MicroBlast, 10ml CalMag, and 15ml PBP Bloom with a few drops of Down and 1.5 gal RO water. Now she sits at 5.9 PH, 990 PPM.

It's a fuggin jungle in there! I didn't do any tying today, but tucked a bunch of fans leaves under. No pics as not enough happening to warrant photos.

[Weedhound]

Yeah I don't take mine over 1100 until about week 3 in flower......when I've tried more I've gotten burn. By week four I can take things up to 1350 (my top number) and go from there.

[MVP]

Hey WH, thanks for the advice. Just want to say I like the way you are outlining things to CM in his thread. I am still trying to fine tune my nute regimen so if you wanna share with me your secret recipe for success... I'M LISTENING :D

BTW, the little MK clones I took for the cloning log are doing pretty well, just finished the third week and seem comfy in the 1100-1200 range. Your thoughts?

[cmasfca]

Hey WH, thanks for the advice. Just want to say I like the way you are outlining things to CM in his thread. I am still trying to fine tune my nute regimen so if you wanna share with me your secret recipe for success... I'M LISTENING :D

Quoted for truth :)

[Weedhound]

I've read this a few times but i'm still not exactly sure what the question is....is that you want to know my nute schedule? Like that secret bean recipe that the dog keeps spilling in the commercials?

I'll outline it for you guys if you'd like....just want to be sure that's what you folks want to know. :)

[MVP]

Yeah! Yeah! Spill the beans on the Hound's secret nute schedule/recipe! :D Also got any good MMJ cookie recipes?

[Weedhound]

Ok....I thought it would take like five mins but you know we stoneers..... I'll make a thread tonight and post it. Don't want to hog your thread. :)

[MVP]

Ok....I thought it would take like five mins but you know we stoneers..... I'll make a thread tonight and post it. Don't want to hog your thread. :)

Sweet! Be sure to let us know when ya get it posted. Also, I am serious about the Cookies Recipe. I've been searching for a good new recipe for a few days and so far I am considering : 1) rice cripsy treats 2) green dragon 3) maryjane oatmeal cookies.

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/147458-weedhound-s-nute-schedule-hydro-botanicare.html

There you go....any questions feel free. Hope it helps you guys.

Seriously my cookie thing is nothing.....about 20gms bud an 10gms trim strained (pretty much powder ganja tossed into your favorite cookie mix. I usually add some extra egg to help "lighten the load' ha ha. MVP you had a recipe for brownies in the recipe section.....seemed to me you know more about cooking than I do.

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/147458-weedhound-s-nute-schedule-hydro-botanicare.html

There you go....any questions feel free. Hope it helps you guys.

Seriously my cookie thing is nothing.....about 20gms bud and 10gms trim strained (pretty much powdered) ganja tossed into your favorite cookie mix. I usually add some extra egg to help "lighten the load' ha ha. MVP you had a recipe for brownies in the recipe section.....seemed to me you know more about cooking than I do.

[Opie Yutts]

WH, thanks for the nutrient schedule. On the cookie thing, don't you have to make sure it stays below 350 degrees or something? And you're saying that if I put extra egg in the cookies they won't be so hard and disgusting? I've tried cooking with vegetative matter and it almost always makes me gag, and I don't get stoned to boot.

mmmm... rice crispy treats.

[Weedhound]

Honestly you guys I've had the best luck with the capsules but my hubby likes the cookies to sleep with. Opie I've also tried adding extra oil or butter but I like an extra egg the best and I agree.....keep it under 350 and it can take about a half hour too cook them with all the extra "roughage". It really varies so you have to keep a careful eye on them the whole time. I like them to be pretty brown or "done" looking more so than a regular cookie without burning them. And again....not over 350. ;) I've heard that making canna oil or butter works better but I've never actually tried it. I use choc chip cookie mix and that helps with the tast imo.

[MVP]

Cannaoil works great and if you break out the crockpot and a cannabis/coffee grinder to make it into a fine powder first, all you really have to do is put it in the crockpot for 2-3 hours and you'll have a fabulous oil to cook with IMO.

I have never tried cannabutter but am planning to use an oz or two of MK to make some either this weekend or next. I'll do a quick thread with lotsa PICS when I whip up some cannabutter....

[Rock.Steady]

MVP, you have a dam jungle, WOW!

[MVP]

MVP, you have a dam jungle, WOW!

Thanks Rock, you should like these quite a bit. I took these pics last night when I was tying down the girls. Yep, tying them down. Cannot tuck under about half of the colas as they are too stout, so I am using good old yarn to LST them.

The plan is to tie/tuck those shoots that are directly under the hood's footprint and allow those on each side to grow vertically and begin ascent to the curvature of the upper screen. Since Monday 1/21 is two weeks completed in 12/12, they will have some stretch left in them but hopefully no too much.

Ahhhh.... on to the photoshoot.... I had finished the first 2 rows when I realized I did not have the camera... I think tonight I will sneak in there and snap some quick photos without the HPS so y'all can see them in their green-ness. Enjoy!

[Weedhound]

Happy plants come from California. :D They look EXCELLENT Mvp!

[Rock.Steady]

Happy plants come from California. :D They look EXCELLENT Mvp!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
I REMEMBER THOSE COMMERCIALS:S2:

[MVP]

MOO!!:hippy:Hehehe

BTW Hound, I'd bet that if you cooked the 20g+10g into an oil (or butter) and made cookies it would double the effectiveness.

Basically the oil is the same process you use to make capsules. Pretty darn simple but a lot more efficient at extracting the "spacy goodness" as Flame puts it...

[Rock.Steady]

ok, you guys got me thinkin about scrog.

Thinkin Cap *ON*:wtf:

[MVP]

As promised earlier, here are the updated pictures of the girls in their true, unadulterated color. It was taken a little bit after 11pm on Sat night. You might notice that a few of the leaves in front look a bit ragged. That is from all of the tucking going on here.

Candidly, I am not nearly as gentle with the fan leaves now as when I started out. It takes me almost 2 hours to tuck and tie them so I am gentle with the bud sites but not the leaves. They are just now starting to show pistils at this point in time.... :woohoo:

[Opie Yutts]

Lookin good. I'm not gentle with my fan leaves either. Like you said it takes too much time, and I'm not going to spend even more babying the leaves. Just shove em in. If they can't handle it too bad. And they know if they complain they stand a chance of completely loosing their life.

[Weedhound]

yet he calls ME cruel.....:D

[Rock.Steady]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam:thumbsup:

[cmasfca]

Lookin great MVP :thumbsup:

I have read through your posts but am still curious as to the use of the second screen? So your budsites start at the bottom screen and grow through the top screen? Is the top screen just a tying off point for LST the buds as they grow?

Thanks for the clarification and I am beginning to be a bit more harsh on my girls in terms of poking leaves out of the way. My problem is that there are so many bud sites, whenever I poke a leaf out of the way of one bud, anywhere it goes it seems to cover up another bud! I have resigned to let my 600w HPS do it's job 21 inches away from the canopy and it seems like it has penetrating power, because I have some very frosty looking buds underneath the canopy.

Looking forward to your grow's future; keep up the great work :)

[MVP]

CM, for you my brother, no problem. I think I posted the same answer in Opie's LSTTT thread. Here is the quick explanation:

Lower screen is used during Veg and first 2-3 weeks of Flower to tuck under and weave (and at times to tie shoots LST style when they are too big to tuck and/or weave).

Upper screen is to use when Flower stretch begins to support weight of colas and keep them upright.

Last time I grew Black Domina the tops were so heavy they fell over and KO'ed other branches. I don't have the ability (very limited access/space) to tie tops up to ceiling, etc since I'm growing in a closet. Hence the upper screen for support. And to make me less paraniod of falling colas that cause premature harvesting.

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Well, it is about time I gave an update and shared a couple of photos. The Dominas are finally starting to take shape as lovely little ladies. This set of pics shows the Before and After of my latest tucking exercise. I have a shitload of fan leaves covering bud sites, so I tucked leaves only to exposes the shoots to the lights. I also raised the 3x 23W CFLs that I have on each side of the grow to keep from burning their leaves.

BEFORE
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AFTER
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Also, I did a res change on Sunday 1/20 - here are the nute details:

6 gal RO water = 12 PPM
+ 2 ml/gal Zone = 12 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 152 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal CalMag = 547 PPM
+ 12 ml/gal Pure Blend Pro = 1112 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Liquid Karma = 1195 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Sweet = 1320 PPM
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Added to res, adjusted PH, topped with 1/2 gal RO.
Final Result = 5.8 PH, 1125 PPM, 3.8 gal in each res.

Any comments or input? Fire away!!

[Opie Yutts]

I have a shitload of fan leaves covering bud sites

For me, when their about this far along, I've noticed that you just need to tuck nearly all the fan leaves, because for each one you push down you find a shoot or two.

[MVP]

For me, when their about this far along, I've noticed that you just need to tuck nearly all the fan leaves, because for each one you push down you find a shoot or two.

What is your advice on removing fans leaves at this point? I have tucked all that are able to tuck under the screen, but there are a few (large) ones that are still shading cuz they won't stay pushed below the canopy...

[Opie Yutts]

Just cut em off. I hate to do that, especially on the nice big healthy ones. You just know they're bringing in lots of nice sugars and stuff to make the plant strong. I think it's more important though, that shoots you care about get direct light. In this last grow I got to the point where I just did not have anywhere to physically put the fan leaves, so I had no choice but to cut them off or let them shade buds. The latter aint happening.

Cutting or pinching them off is a very last resort for me, but it must be done sometimes. First I will try bending them out of the way instead of tucking them underneath. If you pinch them gently, or roll the stem between your fingers while pressing gently (causing slight damage), sometimes you can get them to bend out of the way somewhere and keep growing that direction for the most part.

Also sometimes you can cut the leaves in half or third to solve the problem.

[SnSstealth]

MVP...nice scrog, im interested in trying that this crop, opie i hate cutting em too man, i try cutting smaller leaves in 3rds to save fan leaves, but you gotta do.......good lucj with the ladies MVP

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

[Weedhound]

Like your new avatar Opie. :)

MVP...theyre going mad in there. I'd worry about going in one day and not coming back out......:D

[MVP]

Last night was Day 20 of 12/12, and I did a lot of tucking fan leaves and repositioning of bud sites to get them as much direct light as possible. Over the last 2 days they drank down a couple of gallons of water, causing the PPM to rise about 100 points. I topped off the nutes with RO water and a light nute solution of Bloom, CalMag, and EJ MicroBlast to bring PPM to approx 1200 and PH to 6.1.

Here are a couple of before and after shots to check out:

BEFORE
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AFTER
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I also arrived at the conclusion that it was about time to cut back on tucking and repositioning fan leaves and bud sites, I dropped a quick message to a friend that is more experienced, and he confirmed my gut feel on this decision. Hell, I've never SCROGGED before so if anyone else has different opinions I would like to hear them.

At any rate, here is the best pic I could get late last night showing how the buds are starting to develop. Color is a little off since I had to have the CFL's on to get the closeup. They are greener but that damn upper screen makes it hard to get any kind of picture...

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[Weedhound]

What made you decide that in the first place....to stop doing it as you said?

[MVP]

What made you decide that in the first place....to stop doing it as you said?

My gut feeling was that after approx 3 weeks they would be ready to flower on their own. The MK clones that I am flowering are about 2 weeks ahead of the Dominas and I noticed that their vertical growth slowed at the 2-3 week mark. I used that as a barometer for the Dominas.

What I will be doing is letting the colas grow and fatten up, and selectively tucking or removing fan leaves when they are shading bud sites. Up until this point I was tucking the entire canopy 2-3x per week. Now I will just tuck or remove the most problematic fan leaves - dealing with them on a case by case basis rather than the whole canopy on a scheduled basis...

[Weedhound]

So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?

[Opie Yutts]

My gut feeling was that after approx 3 weeks they would be ready to flower on their own. The MK clones that I am flowering are about 2 weeks ahead of the Dominas and I noticed that their vertical growth slowed at the 2-3 week mark. I used that as a barometer for the Dominas.

What I will be doing is letting the colas grow and fatten up, and selectively tucking or removing fan leaves when they are shading bud sites. Up until this point I was tucking the entire canopy 2-3x per week. Now I will just tuck or remove the most problematic fan leaves - dealing with them on a case by case basis rather than the whole canopy on a scheduled basis...

MVP, that sounds about right in my book. After 2 or 3 weeks into flowering it's usually time to leave them be, and only move or remove the offending leaves as they shade buds. At that point the goal should have been to fill in the entire screen, but if it's not filled in, you gotta just leave them alone mostly.

[SnSstealth]

i gotta follow this more too...lol....may be scrogging mine soon

alright guys....these pics are one week old sprouts. lookin good so far, had a few stretching a little bit, but just moved some pots around and they are fine.....

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

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[hydrocannabis]

you. plants looking great.

[SnSstealth]

:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?

[MVP]

So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?

Not so far as I can tell, but it may be too early for me to say that for certain. They do look rather nice but I cannot remember what the Dominas looked like after 3 weeks into the first grow.

Good question Hound, stay tuned and I'll answer that one in a few weeks...

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?

I would top them once or twice to get them nice and bushy, then proceed to screen them. I grow from clones and personally I go by look and height rather than counting nodes.

[SnSstealth]

sounds like a plan...

[MVP]

Here are some quick photos showing how they are developing so far...

From the TOP Left then Right
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From eye level- Left, Middle, Right
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Next up is a 24 hour flush with FloraKleen to help wash away salts and help with balanced nute absorption. That will be tomorrow or Friday.

MVP :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

MVP
dam impressive dude, dam impressive, really nice!:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Rock.....hydro calls....:D

They look fucking excellent. Could you post your numbers for me when you have a chance MVP? Just want to see whats causing that great growth.

[Weedhound]

cm asked me this and I don't have a clue....any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants? In other words....how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it? Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches? Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?

[cmasfca]

Lower screen is used during Veg and first 2-3 weeks of Flower to tuck under and weave (and at times to tie shoots LST style when they are too big to tuck and/or weave).

Upper screen is to use when Flower stretch begins to support weight of colas and keep them upright.


When do you switch to flowering? I think that the reason you need to use two screens is that you are vegging until the screen is full. The point of the traditional SCRoG is so that the ONLY thing sticking through the screen is buds. To do that, the plants are usually put into flowering JUST as they hit the tip of the screen, so that the 'flower stretch' can be used to fill the screen. After that, it's only buds coming through.

I propose you call the method you are using D-SCRoG, for dual screen of green :D

I am interested to see how this grow turns out with your dscrog :)

[MVP]

Rock.....hydro calls....:D

They look fucking excellent. Could you post your numbers for me when you have a chance MVP? Just want to see whats causing that great growth.

Sure Hound, what numbers are of interest to you? BTW, I'm flushing tonight and will be going with fresh nutes tomorrow night heading into the weekend.

Just let me know what you are after and I will post it up for all to see... :smokin:

[MVP]

cm asked me this and I don't have a clue....any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants? In other words....how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it? Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches? Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?

I plan to harvest them by removing one cola at a time and stringing them up on hangers and/or clothesline after doing a (hopefully) quick hand manicure. The way these are growing so far, all of the buds are above the lower screen and it doesn't appear that they are going to stretch to reach the upper screen. That means they should be able to be reused.

So to describe the process in more detail: cut the stem just above the lower screen, hold cola (using latex gloves to make finger hash/resin collection easier) to manicure, then take a sturdy needle and thread (or fishing line), push the needle+thread thru the stem, and hang them to dry on a clothesline inside a drying cabinet by either tying off the thread into a loop or using clothespins to attach to the line.

Hope that makes sense... let me know :weedpoke:

[MVP]

When do you switch to flowering? I think that the reason you need to use two screens is that you are vegging until the screen is full. The point of the traditional SCRoG is so that the ONLY thing sticking through the screen is buds. To do that, the plants are usually put into flowering JUST as they hit the tip of the screen, so that the 'flower stretch' can be used to fill the screen. After that, it's only buds coming through.

I propose you call the method you are using D-SCRoG, for dual screen of green :D

I am interested to see how this grow turns out with your dscrog :)


Well CM, looks like the D screen in D-SCROG is gonna stand for "dumped", as in I ditched the upper screen last night as I was tired of fighting it to maintain the garden. I can still add it back to the room if needed, but it doesn't look necessary. I guess it was nice to have as a precaution in case stretching got out of hand. Also I grew a pure indica strain this time, while last time I had Blueberry growing in the same room and it stretched a foot taller than the Dominas.

Either way the garden is a ton easier to manage as I can raise the light and tuck/rearrange leaves and tops without smashing others, which has happened a few times in the past week.

The way my grow started out, I was behind schedule when I moved them into the grow area. The prior crop had nute def. problems and the Dominas were growing into monsters in a temporary area. When they finally got into their room 2-3 weeks behind schedule, I had to ad-lib; hence the circus of a SCROG I found myself running.

It does appear that this story will have a happy ending as the Dominas are budding nicely and not stretching. They are quite fragrant too. Now all I have to do is bring them home over the next 5-6 weeks by keeping their nutes balanced and everything else in check....

MVP :jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?

I start manipulating mine just as soon as I feel comfortable topping them. You just got to use your best judgment, because you should also consider the health factor. If she's already stressing, then don't add more. In general though when they get about 5 nodes I'll top and start heading them in the right directions. You can either top or just pull them down and let bottom shoots get light. These will grow into a new branch. I think I like to top at least once though, usually 2 or 3 times, so that both branches will be of the same vigor. LST leaves one or two predominant branches, and eventually colas.

[Opie Yutts]

Originally Posted by Weedhound http://boards.cannabis.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/144304-closet-doms-water-ad-hoc-log-black-dominas-dwc-hydro-post1795742.html#post1795742)
So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?


Not so far as I can tell, but it may be too early for me to say that for certain. They do look rather nice but I cannot remember what the Dominas looked like after 3 weeks into the first grow.

Good question Hound, stay tuned and I'll answer that one in a few weeks...

MVP :jointsmile:

WH, why would you think a screen would slow down flowering? Just like cause of stress from hitting the screen or something? I've never noticed any slow down, but I've never thought about looking for it either. Maybe we need to add the "side by side, completely fair screen stress test", to our list of studies.

[Opie Yutts]

Originally Posted by MVP:
Pics as of 1/30 - 23 days into flower

Wow.

We've got bush!!!

[Weedhound]

Because as far as I'm concerned you guys are pretty much doing "supercropping" and if not that....then close to it.

I was yelling at Rock on his thread about always doing something to his plants. I personally think....DISCLAIMER......that every single time you do something to the plants, retie them, push things around, pick off a few fan leaves, change a growth direction, pinch off a branch, snip off a "quick nug" for trying .....ANYTHING.... you are making the plant stop what it is doing....... growing......and concentrate on fixing whatever problem has just come up and it doesn't really go back to full on growing until said problem is taken care. Sure...a fan leaf may only set the plant back by an hour or so but now add that up .....couple a day, tieing and retying leaves forcing the plant to make changes to the light....etc etc etc and from what i've seen when I overprune my plants is very extended bloom time and depending on the circs.....perhaps lesser yield.

And I know you have to train them for a scrog so that's why I'm curious if it extends the bloom time.

I was actually going to mention it on your thread opie.....you have a million budsites but they are all small. I think (just guessing) you are going to have an extended bloom time but if you keep training from here on out to a MINIMUM you will eventually get some good yield to your buds. If you keep "fixing them" again and again.....well I do think it will affect yield as well eventually but......DISCLAIMER THREE.....it's just my opinion.

[Weedhound]

Interestingly.....cm there is pretty close to done in 8 weeks bloom so with his grow I'd have to say it did not......but I'm curious about you guys as well.

And if the plants DO put out more bud due to better lighting.....will that affect bloom time also? Does a three oz plant and a six oz plant mature at the same time if they are the same strain?

These are all questions I ask about our universe. Just.....exploring our world. :D

[Opie Yutts]

Originally Posted by Weedhound

...any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants?
Pretty much same as most people I think.

...how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it?
Cutting the screen, are you nuts dear girl? Why would I do that? It took me like 2 hours to make it.

Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches?
Sometimes I use a screen but usually I hang them upside down. Right after I take them out of the grow screen I usually cut off the biggest leaves and a few of the smaller ones, not really spending a bunch of time at it, but just getting them into something more manageable. I'd guess 90% of the excess plant is removed in 10% of the total trimming and manicuring time. The rest I do after they're dry. If I use a screen I'm not picky. I have various pieces of screen laying around, but anything will do as long as it lets air flow all around the buds. Sometimes I put a very gentle breeze on them, but be careful if you do this since a big breeze will knock trichomes off the buds. Light isn't good for the goodies in the resin, so I try to keep mine as dark as possible. I little light occasionally isn't going to hurt anything. I try to keep them in a cooler part of the house. Also it's good if you can let them hear alternating classical music and Talking Heads during what normally would have been lights on time. I have not noticed any difference between hanging up side down and laying flat on a screen.

Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?
Same one each time, absolutely. No cutting of the screen is ever required. When I was using regular poultry netting occasionally I would have to cut a stalk in half or thirds, but never the screen. The openings on the chicken wire are slightly over an inch square (from memory), which i now realize is too small. The biggest part of the bud was usually above the screen and I could usually slide the bud out the top, but it had to squeeze through sometimes. That's not really a problem except for breaking off trichomes in that spot, which is really a problem. If you are doing things right, there should be no real buds to speak of below the screen. I am loving this new screen I'm using, which has 2x3" holes. I think it's perfect for many reasons, but additionally it will be no problem getting the buds out during harvest. When you scrog you have more buds and smaller buds, and hopefully larger yield. I am still looking forward to the time when I have trouble fitting the smaller portion of my scrog buds through a 2x3" opening. One suckie thing about poultry netting is there are hundreds of wires to cut and deal with. I got poked and scratched many times with the old screen but I don't remember ever getting scratched from my new one.

I hope that helps clear it up a little. If not be sure to let me know and I will do my best to further confuse you.

Perhaps it would help to confuse him if we were to run away more. (Monty Python's Holy Grail.)

[Opie Yutts]

When do you switch to flowering?

There is no one set time, as many varieties grow differently. On most of my stuff I put my plants into the flowering section when they will fill in most of the screen, like 70-80% of it. Then I give them about 2 weeks to fill in the screen, as I'm positioning them and occasionally tying them into place. Then I mostly leave them alone except for positioning or removing leaves. This is true scrog. Growing in the same res for the whole grow is a mock scrog, or AGWAS; a grow with a screen.

[Opie Yutts]

Just let me know what you are after and I will post it up for all to see... :smokin:

Social Security
Date of birth
Full name
Email address(s)
Bank account(s)
Safety deposit box number(s)
Credit card number(s)
Credit card expiration date(s)
3 or 4 digit code on the back of the credit card(s)
Telephone number (work and home)
Home address
Address listed with credit card(s)
Mothers maiden name
City where born
Name of favorite pet
Favorite food
All screen names and passwords, and what they're for

That should about do it. Go ahead and add anything you think might be helpful.

[Opie Yutts]

Well CM, looks like the D screen in D-SCROG is gonna stand for "dumped", as in I ditched the upper screen last night as I was tired of fighting it to maintain the garden.

I had a feeling...

Sorry for that wasted effort, but kudos to you for having the balls to try something different. Experimenting is an excellent way to learn.

[Weedhound]

LOL.....I said something along the same line to cm about cutting the screen and got only....silence.....:D so I started to wonder whether my assumption might be.....well....WRONG!! ;)

And....it was.....:cool:

[Weedhound]

MVP....the breakdown of your nutes etc....how much CalMag, bloom nutes, etc....you know.... MR CLIPBOARD!! :D

Correct me if I am wrong....but I don't see a single def or sign of lockout.....I want to knw your ratios. :thumbsup:

[MVP]

I had a feeling...

Sorry for that wasted effort, but kudos to you for having the balls to try something different. Experimenting is an excellent way to learn.

Yeah, your gut was on target. Since it took me around an hour or less, I feel it was worth it to see if it was a good idea. I'm sure glad I built it and found out I didn't need it, rather than not building it and finding out the hard way that it was necessary for the grow.

[MVP]

No problem Hound, I'll grab Mr C when the girls wake up around 7pm and post up the details tonight.

[Opie Yutts]

Because as far as I'm concerned you guys are pretty much doing "supercropping" and if not that....then close to it.
I don't know much about supercropping, but I guess what I thought I knew is wrong. Isn't that when you intentionally damage your plants? I thought you gently crush stems with hopes that they will build back up better, faster, stronger. I have not thoroughly studied this, but so far it seems like a bunch of nonsense.

The last thing I want to do is damage my plants. I hardly ever remove a leaf, and the second to last resort (which is rare as well) is to damage the stem of the leaf, just enough to permanently get it growing in a more desirable direction. Are you trying to tell me that you do not move a fan leaf if it is shading the light from a nug of value? What if you physically did not have any place to put that leaf due to extremely dense jungle conditions? Would you remove it or let it shade Cindy07, your 6th favorite bud of the grow?


I personally think... that every single time you do something to the plants, retie them, push things around, pick off a few fan leaves, change a growth direction, pinch off a branch, snip off a "quick nug" for trying .....ANYTHING.... you are making the plant stop what it is doing....... growing......and concentrate on fixing whatever problem has just come up and it doesn't really go back to full on growing until said problem is taken care.
I agree 100%. That's why I've always said that I absolutely hate removing anything, and it is absolutely a last choice. It's also rare for me. This last grow of mine it became a little less rare due to me being a first timer at LST, and doing a whole bunch of things wrong, from starting with fucked up clones to making way too many bud sites.


I was actually going to mention it on your thread opie.....you have a million budsites but they are all small. I think (just guessing) you are going to have an extended bloom time but if you keep training from here on out to a MINIMUM you will eventually get some good yield to your buds. If you keep "fixing them" again and again.....well I do think it will affect yield as well eventually but......DISCLAIMER THREE.....it's just my opinion.
Where do you keep getting the impression I like fixing them again and again? I've said several times (somewhere) that I have been done fixing for quite awhile now. The only thing I'm doing to them until harvest is tucking an occasional leaf so it doesn't shade a bud. The leaf is still there, it's just in a different position. I feared that I was writing "I fucked up this grow on several levels and I am doing things different next time", too many times, but maybe I need to say it more.

Here's how the minimal stress life of a MJ plant in my system is supposed to exist through harvest:

or

How do you stress me, let me count the ways:

Other than getting 99.7% of her body hacked off and taken away from her, she starts out fairly stress free. The first possible stress is if any mold starts appearing in the aero cloner. That doesn't really happen much, and if it does it's usually where any foliage touches a part of the cloner that stays wet. This is usually toward the end of her stay in the cloner and is semi-rare. An antifungal could help, but usually I don't need one. This happens whether you scrog or not.

The next stress is when she starts getting hardened. I leave the dome lid up 1/4" or so, just until she starts to look unhappy. I keep doing off and on, each time making the opening larger. Eventually she will be fine without a dome and it's time to plant. You can also harden after planting, but that's more difficult IMHO, and also more dangerous. You just put a baggie, or any clear plastic... thing, over her and do the same as with the lid. This happens whether you scrog or not.

The next stress is when I top or LST, but normally for me it's topping. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The next stress is when I don't check in on them and they have grown into the light, and got couple crispy leaves. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The next stress is when I take them out of the veg section and put them into the flower section. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not, but some effects of this stress can be softened a little, through various methods. I don't worry about it much, but I usually taper off the veg nutes instead of switching all at once.

The next stress shares stress time with the previous one. This is one of the few stresses that is more likely during scrogging, but it happens when the plant is in the veg state, even though it's in the bud chamber. I have not noticed this stressing the plants that I've grown, much if any, but I'm sure it is a possible stress. When I lower the screen onto the plants things can get a little tricky. It would probably be best if I had two people for this but normally I don't. You just have to go ahead and let the plants bend out of the way of the screen. Rarely, maybe every other time, I will snap one in two. Believe it or not this can easily be fixed with a simple piece of masking tape. Just tape em back together as close to their original positions as possible. More often, maybe once each time I'll bend one sharply, which of course is not a problem except for yes, it is a stress. Again, this happens in veg and it's kinda rare. Also, this happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The main stress that happens in a scrog grow is when you remove the branches and any shoots or potential popcorn buds below the canopy. This certainly must be stressful, but I have never really seen it bother my plants. They just kinda say, "Hey stop it. That tickles", then get on with the usual burst of flowering energy. This happens for some people whether they scrog or not.

As far as I can see, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, this next stress is the only one that's inherent to the scrog method. I speak of the little stresses here and there that happen usually in the first two weeks of flowering only. If you do things right, nothing will be cut off. You just position stalks and stems where you want them to be. No bending, no cutting, and hopefully no damage. Just positioning. Much the same as if a branch grew up against the side of a building and hit a window sill or something. It just kinda gets pushed in a direction it wasn't planning on going and says, "Immovable object. Go around". If you stay on it and once a day or so just make sure theyâ??re staying under the screen, itâ??s not much of a stress, but I'm sure it could be considered one. And again this shouldnâ??t be done after 2 weeks of flowering. You want to basically leave them alone after that, except for occasionally moving a leaf thatâ??s shading a good bud. In my opinion you should be doing that no matter what.

Of course there is other stress, such as changes in PPM or diet, but you know, I aint going to list them all. Feel free to add to the list if you so desire.

Nope, sorry, I'm just not buying it. Scrogging is nearly as stress free as any other method in which you top a couple times. But hey, that's just me, experimenting and deciding and deciding what works for me. Your mileage may vary.

MVP, Sorry for the take over.

[Weedhound]

You know.....I just typed up a long reply that got swallowed as many things do around here these days so I give up with explanations...

Opie....I believe that the more you "train" or prune or whatever folks do to the plants the more you extend bloom time. Screw with them too much or too often and you'll mess up the yield as well. I'll stand by that without a doubt.

I like MVP's grow because his plants seem to be going and growing great guns with no sign of losing any yield or slowing down and they all look happy and healthy as hell And I'd like to know how he does it.

[Weedhound]

Also sorry if I sound super crabby but I'm really mad at this board today....so please take my posts with a grain of salt. It's swallowed at least three HUGE posts of mine so I get to the point where I just grunt everything out in three word sentences.

I'm not saying anything against you Opie....your stuff looks great. All I'm saying is that your stuff looks like about one week younger than it is.....you were mentioning the buds were smaller than you expected. I think that's from the training and I think if you add a week or two to your bloom time you'll get the yield you are looking for.

You DID mention you had stopped training them awhile back so I personally think that your plants will pick up from there and start where they left off. I'm guessing that if you trained them for two weeks you probably can add that time whatever reg bloom time you are looking at. That's what I'm trying to find out so that's why I'm asking everybody about it.

I'm also not saying don't train or stress or anything which would be impossible actually.....we all have things we have to do when growing. I just feel......VERY STRONGLY......that the more adjusting you do the more time it adds and I know that I...ME have overcropped my plants and not only did they take much longer to finish but it cut my yield about in half.

[MVP]

Hello again, nice to see a lively discussion on growing going on here. Hound, sorry to hear the f'ing board swallowed many of your words. Opie, no take over apologies necessary....

I am in the middle of flushing BOTH the MK clones that I am flowering as well as the Dominas. I found Mr C and he has a lot to report, but it will be in an hour or two as I have my hands full with the little green ones right now.....

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

MVP....how are the leaves looking.....any signs of defs/lockouts etc?

[Rock.Steady]

opie, that made me nearly wet myself, im cryin over here:S2:

[SnSstealth]

id agree with WH too.. i hate taking anything off, and laugh at me, go ahead, but i name every girl in there, lol. freak out at a little leaf curl, yellow tip. i know where every bud in that room is... thats why i've been knocking the SCROG around in my head, scared ill hurt one:(

opie, you are the funny one tonight...lol, love the monty quote

[MVP]

No, none so far... just a bunch of brown crumbly fan leaves under the canopy.

So.... the long awaited Mr C now has his report: Mr Clipboard says... we have not changed nutes until now, which is a flush (tonight) followed by fresh nutes tomorrow.

I have checked the girls every couple of days from 1/20 (last update on 1/24... see above in thread) and the PH and PPM floated around a bit as shown by Mr C below:

1/23 @ 7pm
BD1 = 1270 PPM, 5.1 PH. Added 1/3 gal RO water and UP, final numbers are 1206 PPM, 6.0 PH, 3.3 gal total in res
BD2 = 1258 PPM, 5.7 PH. Added 1/3 gal RO water and EJ Micro, final numbers are 1111 PPM, 5.7 PH, 3.0 gal total in res

1/26 @ 10pm
BD1 = 1332 PPM, 5.6 PH. Added 3/4 gal RO water and UP, final numbers are 1110 PPM, 6.2 PH, 3.5 gal total in res
BD2 = 1440 PPM, 6.0 PH. Added 1-3/4 gal RO water and Bloom+EJ Micro, final numbers are 1245 PPM, 6.1 PH, 3.75 gal total in res

1/30 @ 9pm
BD1 = 1215 PPM, 6.0 PH. Did nothing. Final numbers are 1215 PPM, 6.0 PH, 2.4 gal total in res
BD2 = 1395 PPM, 6.1 PH. Did nothing. Final numbers are 1395 PPM, 6.1 PH, 2.2 gal total in res

At this point I have not been too gentle with them. I have removed a half dozen leaves from the under canopy per night for 3-4 days, along with the shoots below that will not reach the canopy. I have also removed 2-3 fan leaves a day from the canopy that were shading the bud sites.

That is the update, let me know your questions and comments...

[Weedhound]

Yes.....one question. Are you planning on staying with that ratio of CalMag and base nute? I've gone back and forth with this issue so much in my grows ....just want to know and follow whatever your ratios on that are going to be. The dominas are very indica dominant right? I seem to have much less troubles with my indica dominant varieties......sigh.....

Anyway please let me know what the plan is with your ratios. Thanks. ;)

[MVP]

So far as I know Black Domina is an Indica strain. Not dominant, but Indica. That is what I have heard and how they are responding. I plan to treat them as such through flowering, so I will be increasing the Bloom, Micro, Sweet, etc but not the CalMag. I'll post the 'secret formula' once I figure it out... :D

[Opie Yutts]

WH,

Sorry about the bummerish conditions as of recent. I absolutely hate it when my long posts just go away to fucked post land. Perhaps you should consider your clipboard more. Seems I have no, or at least much less problems on other sites, so when I'm on this site my clipboard and and word processor get a work out. Often, especially if I think it might be a long post, I compose in a different app. and paste it in the reply box. That way I still have it if it goes away. An even faster method is to compose in the reply box and hit control-A, then control-C just before clicking the reply button. (The cursor, or mouse pointer must be in the reply box when you do this.) That way, unless your computer crashes, you'll still have it when cancom fucks you. Although, pretty soon they'll probably figure out a way to make your computer crash at the same time.

Sigh... I sure wish I could get you to understand the little amount of extra stress a scrog creates when done properly. Other than trimming the popcorn buds that most people would trim anyway, and the excess foliage under the canopy that's not receiving light anyway, there's not really much additional stress as opposed to other "normal" grow methods. The aforementioned pruning should only be done once, during veg. Shouldn't really slow down flowering at all. Long story short, the seed sellers say that AK-47 finishes in 45-50 days of flowering. My scrogged AK-47 finishes in 48-52 hours of flowering. Not a big sacrifice to get a larger yield IMO, and that might not even be caused by scrog stress. Maybe something else is causing the 2 day delay, or maybe the seed sellers are referring to "finished" as 8% amber rather than the 10% that I usually go for. DAMN IT. OK, you're right! Scrogging is absolutely ridiculous and a complete yield buster in bad way.

SnS,

Thanks. It must be the couple extra meds due to the 3-day-long headache.

[Weedhound]

Oh no....if I somehow gave you that impression....thats scrog was bad...then I apologize because thats not what I mean to say at all. I'm just trying to find out IF it does take longer, if the yield is that much better, and whether.....IF both are true.....how much longer and how much better yield?

Opie.....here's what I'm really trying to say.....is it worth me getting off my butt and trying it???? :D

[cmasfca]

Do the math yourself WH!

Opie said that AK-47 takes 45-50 days of flowering. His grow finished in 48-52 hours. What is better? :D

Just kidding Opie ;)

[Weedhound]

Do the math yourself WH!

Opie said that AK-47 takes 45-50 days of flowering. His grow finished in 48-52 hours. What is better? :D

Just kidding Opie ;)

That IS fast......I need to get on this train ASAP!. I suppose an extended bloom period could throw an extra 40 minutes or something onto your schedule....wonder if that extra 40 mins would be worth the work and up the yield .....:cool:

[MVP]

That IS fast......I need to get on this train ASAP!. I suppose an extended bloom period could throw an extra 40 minutes or something onto your schedule....wonder if that extra 40 mins would be worth the work and up the yield .....:cool:

:S2:

[Opie Yutts]

dudes, just... yeah. Pretty weird that someone who's stoned would make a typo. There was this one time, in band camp, when I had to go an extra 15 seconds before harvesting.

[Opie Yutts]

Opie.....here's what I'm really trying to say.....is it worth me getting off my butt and trying it???? :D

Oh, well then forget all that other stuff I said. Here's what I was really trying to say...YES.

[Opie Yutts]

Well, actually I meant to say YES.

[Opie Yutts]

Uh, well actually, now that I've had a chance to think about it, YES.

[SnSstealth]

fuckin opie, your a trip man, guess you have me convinced too....lol....gonna have to get some chicken wire huh?.... damn MVP, you hydro guys have to deal with alot more shit...lol...i understood half of your chart....i didnt add anything to the fox farm soil until i started feeding them the other day, PH is still around 6.7...you guys have any idea if there is anything organic to level PH with? havent had the problem, but if i do.......

[Weedhound]

I'm speechless.....:eek:

The beauty.....the green forest of buds.....

Opie that brings tears to my eyes. :) :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Thought I would post a pic of Mr. Clipboard as he oversees the harem. He was bugging me that he wanted a photo opp....

[Weedhound]

Your plants look good.

I thought Mr Clipboard was a computer program.

[MVP]

Mr C is a mere clipboard that holds tracking sheets from Excel that I print out to record my adjustments. Then I post them to logs, etc. Very low tech. I sure hope he doesn't take offense to being called a 'mere clipboard' and 'very low tech' as the info is vital to my learning. At any rate I'm attaching blank copies of the 'low tech' sheets I use so anyone that wants to take a peek at them/use them can do so....

[Opie Yutts]

Ha, I'll bet MVP thinks an album is a thin black disk-shaped thing, with one long spiral groove in each side. How crazy can you get?

[MVP]

Not a whole lot new here, so I am posting the Nute numbers from the recent res change:

1/31 @ 8pm
Drained the res and prepared a batch of FloraKleen flushing agent. Loaded up each res and let it bubble away for 24 hours. PPM didn't move up or down but maybe 10 points; hmmm....

2/1 @ 8pm
I mixed up a fresh batch of nutes and filled each res. Here is a breakdown of the 'Secret Formula'.....

6 gal RO water = 15 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 15 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 155 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal CalMag = 515 PPM
+ 12 ml/gal PBP Bloom = 1060 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Karma = 1140 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Sweet = 1210 PPM
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I added 6 ml UP to get the PH to 5.3, then I added it to the res in each bubbler.

BD1 = 1065 PPM, 5.9 PH, 3.7 gal solution
BD2 = 1040 PPM, 5.9 PH, 4.0 gal solution

In addition I removed the fan that I had under the canopy that was blowing up. I placed it so it blows across the flowers and moves the air around gently. I also positioned a 4.75 inch computer fan in the back corner for air movement, but it blows a bit too hard on the plants. I left it there and will use it when I see signs of excess moisture.

I am tempted to trim back a larger number of fan leaves to prevent shading. I'd like some comments and opinions on whether or not this is a good idea. That is the update, let me know your comments...

[Weedhound]

The only thing left you need is for Mr Clipboard to do an intro....:D

[Opie Yutts]

I am tempted to trim back a larger number of fan leaves to prevent shading. I'd like some comments and opinions on whether or not this is a good idea. That is the update, let me know your comments...

Don't do it, unless you want to. I still don't know which causes more damage; Removing uncooperative leaves or letting them shade buds of interest. Until someone explains why I'm wrong, I'll still keep trying to let the buds get the light. Again: removing a leaf is a last choice for me, and there other options, but the buds must have light! (Article 4, section b, subsection 2A, in the manuel.)

[Weedhound]

Explanations schmexaplanations! I go by the irritating rule.....If it it is still irritating me after four or five days of moving it around and it's shading a good bud it's gone. But DISCLAIMER.......I don't do scrog so......

[Weedhound]

Explanations schmexplanations.....I always go by the irritating rule......is it STILL irritating you after moving it several times a day for several days?

[Opie Yutts]

I don't do scrog

Yet.

[Opie Yutts]

Uh what? Man that hit kinda hit me hard. I'm seeing double or something.

I know, fucking boards.

WH, Sounds like a good motto for life as well as weed farming.

[SnSstealth]

nice meeting you Mr C. those pics are a damn good fight for SCROG opie...lol...think it will help with the LEDs too...more efficient light distibution,,,

[MVP]

Not much new, but took a couple of photos for the hell of it....

Left Side View............ Right Side View.............
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A couple of close ups too
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[hydrocannabis]

wow.:jawdropper::jawdropper: Looking good. looking really really Really good.

how does mine look?:D

[MVP]

wow.:jawdropper::jawdropper: Looking good. looking really really Really good.:D

Damn folks, they are blowing up now..... Really blowing up! Bigger today than yesterday. I am F-ing psyched!!! :S5:

[Weedhound]

Starting to really kick some ass there....:thumbsup:

[MVP]

Starting to really kick some ass there....:thumbsup:

Thanks Amiga, gotta keep up with the Jones's/CM's and pull 9-10 oz outta the magic closet in March... :bonghit:

[Weedhound]

I love how healthy and happy they look. :)

[Rock.Steady]

amazing.:thumbsup:

[cmasfca]

Looking great man, keep it up :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

wooooohoooooooo!!!!!!:jointsmile:

[MVP]

Here are the latest photos.....
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They are super sticky and I had to put a fan on them fulltime to prevent moisture and potential mold issues. Some are getting a bit of wind burn.
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[MVP]

Tough to get good shots :wtf: but here are the last two...

Oh yeah, 34 days into 12/12

[hydrocannabis]

quick question. how much did UR plants strech? in the flower stage thus far.

[basementbotany]

damn MVP, those black doms. are looking beautiful. may be something i'd like to try in the future. BTW, i'll try and post some better pics of the internodes later today when my lights come on, maybe you can help me distinguish what it is i'm seeing. i'm almost certain though that the rest are females.

[MVP]

quick question. how much did UR plants strech? in the flower stage thus far.

HC- For the 1st 2-1/2 weeks of 12/12 I kept tucking them back under the screen. Since then they have stopped stretching. I estimate that they have grown around 10-12 inches above the screen during 34 days of Flower.

The SCROG / LST methods used are very effective in evening out the bud sites on the canopy. I am convinced that this technique is perfect for those that want to maximize their space but have limited overhead/vertical growth constraints.

MVP :jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

MVP, ROTFLMAO at your new AV.

[MVP]

Here are a few pics showing how the girls are looking so far... I did a res change tonight and they are drinking the following nutes:

2.5 gal RO water per res.
+ 2ml/gal Zone
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag
+ 12 ml/gal PBP Bloom
+ 5 ml/gal Karma
+ 5 ml/gal Sweet
------------------------

total PPM = 1240, PH = 5.8, 3.25 gal per res

Some photos for those interested...

[Weedhound]

Those nute numbers look like they are working well for you.....I can see the frosting starting to come up on those from here. Excellent work MVP. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

ladies lookin yummy mvp!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[gainesvillegreen]

They're looking nice and dense too. Have you given any of 'em a squeeze yet?

[SnSstealth]

grrrrr I CANT WAIT!!!! start flowering a week from today...almost went early looking at your pics...lol so what, month left on them? they look good now, wait till they start to fill out...mmmm keep up the good work!:thumbsup:
:smokebong:

[hydrocannabis]

Hell yah MVP. dude thouse buds look great as hell. :thumbsup:

I hope mine can even look half as good as URs.:D

[MVP]

Just found some BD beans at my local Co-Op and had to pick them up so I can be 100% certain to keep the strain in my collection!

:woohoo::yippee::woohoo::yippee::woohoo:

Ladies are sleeping until 7pm, I'll get pics and/or update after then...

[MVP]

Here is what is happening at Chateau MVP... I went on a shopping trip today and spent a bunch of cash I really can't afford to spend. However every now and then you have to say WTF and drop some dough to make yourself happy. Girly girls buy shoes.... I go to the hydro store on the way home from the MMJ Co-Op.

Anyhoo, I want to introduce the newest girls to join the show, just happens they are a set of twins: The GDP girls (sometimes known as Grand Daddy Purple), and Kushman's Strawberry Cough gals. The GDP twins are on the right and the SC twins are on the left. Mmmmm, tasty! They just today went from starter cubes into net pots and 300 PPM nutes...
[attachment=o178830]

In addition I picked up a couple of packs of beans from the California Bean Bank: Black Domina (to ensure the strain, a favorite, stays with me a long, long time) and Big Bud, which is an Indica that finishes fast and produces fat, heavy nuggs.
[attachment=o178831]

The Dominas in Flower right now have been feeding well and are finally starting to show more mature pistils - about 30 percent are amber. The frostiness is apparent in the pics especially if you look at them in full size.
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Last but not least, I stopped to pick up a half dozen 3 inch net pots to convert my cloning bubbler into a temporary twins incubator, and I asked about Liquid Light. The local hydro bro said "yeah, we got maybe one sample pack left.... want it?" Hell yeah I wanted it, and now I got to figure out WTF to do with it and when it is safe to apply to the twins.

MVP :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

GDP!!!! i so envy you MMj guys...what i would do to get a few seeds or clones over there.......
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

MVP you need the Penetrator to go with the LL. My formula consisted of one tablespoon penetrator and one tablespoon LL to a cup of water. You'll like this stuff....its really great but I'd stick to twice a week (my hydro guys suggestion) and you can use it on your lovely new kids as soon as you feel they are pretty stress free.

[Weedhound]

Your plants look great btw. Seems like you have your recipe nailed down well. Any chance the next time you whip a batch for you res change you could mark down the ppms as you go? What I really want to know is what number ppms of each nute you are putting in your solution instead of the amount (200 ppm vs 10ml) Make sense? THANKS! :D

[Opie Yutts]

MVP you need the Penetrator to go with the LL. My formula consisted of one tablespoon penetrator and one tablespoon LL to a cup of water. You'll like this stuff....its really great but I'd stick to twice a week (my hydro guys suggestion) and you can use it on your lovely new kids as soon as you feel they are pretty stress free.

Directions call for 4 tablespoons per gal of each. I used 2 and that seemed like plenty. They say you can do it every 3 days, or 2 for aggressive feeding.

[Weedhound]

The back of my bottle says 4 tablespoons (60ml) per liter....not per gallon. Approx 4 liters to a gallon......approx 4 cups to a liter.

[MVP]

MVP you need the Penetrator to go with the LL. My formula consisted of one tablespoon penetrator and one tablespoon LL to a cup of water. You'll like this stuff....its really great but I'd stick to twice a week (my hydro guys suggestion) and you can use it on your lovely new kids as soon as you feel they are pretty stress free.

Yeah, I am gonna read and follow the directions very closely. This is what I got, FREE, simply for asking: :D
- 250 ml of Liquid Light
- 250 ml of Penetrator
- a lighter that opens bottles
[attachment=o178881]


Your plants look great btw. Seems like you have your recipe nailed down well. Any chance the next time you whip a batch for you res change you could mark down the ppms as you go? What I really want to know is what number ppms of each nute you are putting in your solution instead of the amount (200 ppm vs 10ml) Make sense? THANKS! :D

Sure Hound, last time I recorded PPMs were post # 203, I believe... they are within 20-25 PPM of that each time. Next res change will be this weekend or Monday at latest. I'll record PPM numbers in the same fashion I have been. That makes sense to you, right?

[Weedhound]

Post number 203 eh? Lol....you kill me. AND a FREE llighter. :thumbsup:

Opie...I'm pretty sure I read and reread that correctly.....if not you can have MVPs cool lighter. :D

[Weedhound]

Upon studying post # 203 I discover your ratios of Cal Mag come pretty close to a 60/40ratio........about a 65/35 percent with no problems that I can see. This is about what I have had good results with as well.....AFTER I stopped using the hydroton.

[MVP]

Upon studying post # 203 I discover your ratios of Cal Mag come pretty close to a 60/40ratio........about a 65/35 percent with no problems that I can see. This is about what I have had good results with as well.....AFTER I stopped using the hydroton.

I might bump it up just a wee bit next time as I am seeing a very minor CA def, but it is likely due to a funky PH that spends more time dropping this entire grow than it does rising... :wtf: It showed up only in the last week or so and there are a few P or K def signs as well.

This late and looking this frosty, with the def only on old large leaves, I'm not gonna change anything at this point.

And yes, amazingly, I am still growing in Hydroton somewhat successfully...

[Opie Yutts]

The back of my bottle says 4 tablespoons (60ml) per liter....not per gallon. Approx 4 liters to a gallon......approx 4 cups to a liter.

My bad, liter.

[Opie Yutts]

Now I'm pissed. I got no lighter with my samples.

[Weedhound]

Now I'm pissed. I got no lighter with my samples.

Boy did YOU get ripped off!!! :eek:

[MVP]

Wow, things are happening in the closet. The BDs are exuding a strong mouth-watering aroma. It is a sweet, sticky jungle in there!

Right now the trichs are close to 70 percent cloudy, 30 percent clear, a couple of ambers here and there but not ready for the chop. I'll be checking trichs again in 3-4 days. I'm planning to let them go at least 8 weeks, or even 9 if that is what it takes to get to 10-20 percent amber.

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Changed nutes tonight, running 1140 PPM 5.9 PH...

Here is the recap including PPMs for the Hound et al.

5.0 gal RO water = 15 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 17 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 165 PPM
+ 12 ml/gal CalMag = 620 PPM
+ 12 ml/gal PBP Bloom = 1070 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Liquid Karma = 1150 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal Doc Hornsby's Sweet Leaf = 1150 (no shit, doesn't raise PPMs!!)
---------------------------------
Added to res, adjusted PH, final = 3.25 gal each res, 1140 PPM, 5.9 PH

We are heading down the home stretch, hold on for the finish!

MVP :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Harvest was last night. Here are some photos of the adventure. I am not sure of the weight or anything. That will come in a week or so when I start the curing process...

[MVP]

For your viewing pleasure:

[hydrocannabis]

looks like a nice harvest. so how many weeks of flower did U let them go?

[Weedhound]

Looks like a very nice harvest.

I can't WAIT to try this strain myself!