2nd Grow from Clones and THC Bomb seeds

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I know you have been waiting for this one and the time has com last Friday. I waited to post this because I didn't want it burried at the end of a page.

So she is by far the heaviest of all the plants this grow I don't have any measurements because she was literarly falling over herself the pics will show that. The cola's are literally the size of my average biceps, and there are 6 of them that size.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry couldn't attatch pics and didn't want to loose the writing.

[SnSstealth]

goddamn JG!!!!
WT

[Cede2Weed]

We can share what we got of yours


holy sh1t, awesome grow :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here she is hanging in the closet for 4 days along with the other 2 THCB and cloans from other grow. THCB#1 is in the middle of the group shot. Notice the bud size difference from the other plants. Buds on the other plants are not tiny either but nothing like this plant.

I bet I have more than another pound in that closet but I am not going to count the small 25 cloans in my total yeild for this grow. they were grown separatly from the THCB and previous plants.

[spongebobsmokepants]

Definately a grow to be proud of!
:jointsmile:

[BeFree]

Well hi there. as for some viable reason relating to my shift key i cant seem to punctuate as normally

i was gifted with a couple one inch tall bagseed sprouts simply because i couldnt let the little guys go down without a chance

i begin construction on my first little temp growbox and begin more in depth research. like forum'ing for example. I come across your thread and wow....the beginners guide, and your documented grows have pretty much built a frame to what could be my passion. As for being an inspiration, yah, ya were. =D I don't plan on dank harvests this first time round. But, with love, lots-o-care and close and accurate nute readings and blam, you have grade A bud like yourself. Once I get a camera and my grow box situated I'll try to keep in touch. For now, I am soaking up all the knowledge and deep passion for the most rugged and dankevil, yet such promising and uplifting plant humanity could ever ask for. But I can't stop reading now, I have two youngins soaking up light as I aimlessly ramble.



Your ladies are the most amazing I think I have ever seen.


Sir, your green thumb has, in fact, another green thumb.

[dgsgandalf]

JG, please tell me you got clones from that THCB that produced baseball-bat-sized buds...

[deaner]

the coolest thing about your grows is all i seem to hear is that without going hydro, you never get decent yeilds, i hear it, i play dumb, cuz look at what this dudes doing! it seems you aim for quality and the quantity comes too, you gotta be real proud of what you got there. hope the buds as good as it looks. i got a widow i wanna see 4 ounces out of, and wouldnt think i could do it without followin this log. damn im sappy when im stoned, i love everyone, yay for mary!

[PlantHeadJ]

Hi
I read every part of this amazing thread! You Sir should make documentaries!! Very nice grow! I just had one question, The FF feed schedule only has eight weeks of flower spelled out. Some of your plants went 80+ days, what exactly did you do with the feed schedule for the extended time? I would simply continue as I was until flush but you really knocked it over the fence! Maybe you could elaborate on those weeks that are not on the schedule for noobs and people using FF. I really hope this wasn't stated and I missed it...

sorry bout my spelling Chinacat...

Good luck with your outdoor I'll keep poppin in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am going to do my best to point out what I feel led to the results of this grow. Some of this is extremely disputed, but all I can say is "Look for yourself and tell me I how could have done better and how did it harm the plants".

Lighting: 600 watts is a minimum, I have used 400 before and it is just not enough lummins, plus with a 600 you get 80% more lummins for 50% more electricity. I use a Growbright 600 watt HPS, and a 600 watt Agrow Max conversion MH bulb for veg. Set timer to 24/0 for veg. 13/11 for flower.

Grow box: 4'l x 4w x7'h made of 2'x3's and $12.00 a sheet 1/4'' - 4'x8' white board. Box is completely light sealed. This way every bit of light is absorbed by the plants, no light should be leaving the grow space and lighting the entire room. I also used 3 floresent 2 bulb T-12 shop lights with 3100k bulbs for side lighting on 3 sides for side lighting.

Watering and Nutes: Now this subject is where I feel some may disagree. First off I used Fox Farm nutes ONLY!!!! (except for Pro PH Down) I did not use anything else, no sweetners, no supertrive, no MOLLASES, ect. I know in my first grow I swore by mollases, but now I won't let that stuff near my plants. ( I found that shit killed my plants at 8 weeks, with me thinking they were ready my first grow). Next I follow the feeding schedule to the T and use only the lowest amount recommended. The only modification is to the length of each cycle. Meaning I veg and flower longer than the chart calls for and change formulas when I feel the plants are ready for the next step. (Ex. I flower for up to 12 weeks so I extend the final flowering formula 4 weeks.) Now this is the most important part how I water. You may have noticed almost all my pics are in the bath tub or bathroom. Reason being when I water it is a mini flush. ALTERNATING between Nute formula mix and plain water everyother watering!!!! I used 1/2 gallon of water per 2 gallon bucket in veg, and 1 gallon per 5 gallon bucket in flower and let the excess run out the bottom for a half hour. Then depending on time in the bucket that determined how often. When first transplanted it was as long as a week between waterings to 3 to 4 days at the end of flowering. The plant will tell you when they need water. When everything is fine the top leaves are reaching for the light, when water is needed they start to lower down to the horizontal position.

Damn I Just smoked a joint of PP and can't keep a thought, so I will continue later on. :)

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I am going to take a little time to say Thanks to Spongbob, BeFree, dgsgandaf, Deaner, and Plant Headfor your intrest and compliments.

I am going to compleat my key points this evening and final stats should be tomarrow on THCB 1 & 2, #3 will be this weekend she is taking longer due to size.

JG.

[whisky]

nice harvest, you must be a happy farmer :jointsmile:

[dute12]

I see in some of your threads and your aviatar you have foxfarm products such as chiching beastie bloomz ect.

Did you use any of these supplemental nutes throughout this grow in conjuction with the other foxfarm nutes.

Sorry if this question was already asked and answered.

[smok3y]

NICE:thumbsup:

[chrisdl805]

Well I am going to take a little time to say Thanks to Spongbob, BeFree, dgsgandaf, Deaner, and Plant Headfor your intrest and compliments.

I am going to compleat my key points this evening and final stats should be tomarrow on THCB 1 & 2, #3 will be this weekend she is taking longer due to size.

JG.

What happened to completing your key points? Inquiring minds want to know. Awesome job by the way...was the strain you grew known to be a super heavy yielder or do you just have a super green thumb?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I did the harvesting last weekend so I have been either to busy with things being shuffled around or just to much of enjoying my bounty to do this post. So sorry everyone about the wait but here are the final stats and pics of THCB #1

THCB #1 this plant was the smallest of the three and has one of the best smells. She has been curing for 5 days now and has a strong sweet strawberry smell, which transfers well to the smoke.

The buzz is fast and hard hitting:) couch lock buzz, but functionable, more like a muscle relaxing buzz is the best description.

Total Yeild: 77g, or 2.75ozs.

Buds came out as nice tight and heavy with a nice coating of crystals, with really dark red almost brown hairs.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She is the second largest of the three and is close to the same as #1 but just a much bigger yeilder, ( I feel this is due to age, THCB 1 is a full 10 or more days younger from sprouting due to a dog incident at the start of the grow).

Like I said the desciption of this plant is very close to #1 but the smell is not as strong of the strawberry, overall not a pungent as #1, but the buzz is the same.

Total Yeild: 111g or 3.95 ozs.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry pics somehow got lost durring final posting.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Dute12, Yes I use all 3 suppliments when called for on the chart. I feel this is the most important part of feeding in the flower cycle.

Chrisdl805, Yes THCB is bred to be a large yeilder, from the "Advertising" I have read is it is a cross of Big Bud and Pure Power Plant, and produces very large buds that are stronger than both. In my opinion this is true.

[PlantHeadJ]

Nice job!! I am considering the PP. If you were to grow one variety only which would it be overall...taste,effect,yeild?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Planthead I would go with the purple power. Nice buzz, good taste, and great colors.

[dute12]

Thank you for getting back to us with the update we thought you were never going to get back with the final report about the THC Bomb.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I am sorry for the wait but here are the other Key Points.

Pruning: Well this is probably the most controvercial of all the things that I do. I am not afraid to cut my plants to get them to do what I need. During the Veg stage and LST I will prune any leaf that is blocking direct light to a new branch shoot. I feel this even encourages the plant shoots to grow quicker to make up for the lost leaf. Then during the 4th to 5th week of the flower cycle I will remove almost all the fan leaves except for the top 6 on all the main cola branches. I do this when the new buds are big enough and producing there own leaves. This is to get direct light to the lower buds and make them grow larger. My feeling on what happens is the bud leaves take over the photosynthasis and forces them to just explode in size, I have been doing this for years and have done both pruing and no pruning, and the differance at harvest is very noticable in the bud size. The other plus to this is it makes harvest much easier, since you do not need to remove all the fan leaves then and seeing the trich's is very easy also.

Flowering and veg times: Mine are almost 50% longer than most. My veg from seed can take 6 to 8 weeks, from cloans is when they fill 80% of the grow space. Then flower is by tric's, the first sign of Amber. On most of my plants this happened no earlier than 10 weeks of flowering light and no longer than 12 weeks. NEVER GO BY THE PISTOLS. I have noticed that the plants will go thru a minimum of 3 flower bursts to try and reproduce. What I mean is at around 8 weeks the pistols will turn mostly red then at about week 9 another round of new pistiols will emerge due the plant was never fertilized and needs to try and reproduce again, so it will try again and again untill the plant gives up at around week 12 and begins to shut down. This way you get the maximum growth out of the plant and will increase your yeild significantly and is probably the most important thing that led to the mind blowing yeilds that I got. (nutes had a major play in that also).

Well that is about all that I can think of at this time. So feel free to ask any questions you may have and i will do my best to answer them:)

[porch24]

Hey man, I'm starting a garden within the next few weeks and I'm really impressed with your grows. How much of the nutes do you give when you first start to veg?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Porch24,

I wait 2 weeks from sprouting. Reason being the roots are to sensitive at such a young age plus there are enough nutes in the soil in the beginning.

[jessejames12345]

so you have a 13/ 11 flowering light cycle ? I see the results speak for themselves :)
Best grow Ive seen :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Finally I am getting down to doing this. She was the biggest looking of all the plants but yeild wise she came in 2nd place at 127g or 4.5 ozs. just as I suspected she dried out to very light and fluffy buds that have a nice fruity smell. The main cola's are still the biggest that I have only dreamed of untill now. The biggest came in at just under a half ounce, all put together it came in at 2.5 ozs. of cola bud.

The smoke is slightly sweet with a touch of say a mango taste. Buzz wise she hits you hard and fast that leaves active but with a major case of CRS ( Can't Remember Shit )

All and all I give her around an 8.5 out of 10.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well here are the total weights by plant and rating out of 10.

White Widow #6, 99grams, 9.0 rating
Mystery Widow, 104 grams, 9.5 rating
Mystery #3, 96 grams, 7.0 rating.
Purple Power #8, 101 grams, 10.0 rating.
White Widow #4, 126 grams, 10.0 rating
White Widow #9, 138 grams, 9.0 rating
THCB #1, 77 grams. 9.5 rating.
THCB #2, 111 grams, 9.5 rating.
THCB #3, 127 grams, 9.0 rating.

Total Weight this grow (drum roll please) 979 grams or 1 gram under 35 onces or 2 Lbs. 3 ozs.

I did it :) :) :) over 2 lbs under 1-600watt Hps.

Now the total of the experimental grow I had going on the side. Now get this 254 grams or 9 ounces.

So the combined weight of both grows is 2.75 Lbs. of prime bud. :) :) I have never had so much bud of this quality before, and think I invested less than $1,000.00 in this entire operation.

The sad thing is, this is the end of this grow log and I can't wait untill the fall so I can challenge this total again. Which maybe some of the same and maybe somethng different. Only the bug on my shoulder knows.

Best Wishes to all and Thanks everyone for your support.

Plus, Best of Luck to all that are using this log as a guide to growing massive amounts of Ganja.

Jerry Garcia.

[_tyrant]

Nice just got THCB off the marijuana.nl and plan to grow it. how was it?

[porch24]

Hey man, sorry to keep this thread going but I had one more quick question for you.

Which FF products did you use? I see 6 for ferts, did you use all 6?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry guy's that it has been while since I checked in.

Porch24t,
Yes I use all 6 ferts, It is expensive stuff, for all 6 it is around $100.00 but certain ones will last for many grows (the granular one's may be enough for 50 indoor grows) the liquid forms go somewhat fast. In this grow I went thru 1/2 bottle Grow Big, 1 bottle Tiger bloom, and 1 1/2, bottles Big Bloom. (Bottle=32 fl.oz.)
And just barily made a dent into the powders. This was for 9 plants that spent the entire flower in 5 gal buckets and veged in 2 gal buckets.

Tyrant,
How do I like the THCB?

Hmmmmm. I guess the best way to put it in scale form.
Ease of growing and cloaning: 10, both very easy.
Yeild: 10, plants 2 & 3 produced over 1/4 Lb.
Smell after curing: 9.5 sweet strawberry smell.
Smoke taste: 9 it is a sweet smoke with a hint of strawberry but expansive and hard to hold a bong hit down, Take very small hits.
Buzz: 9.5 The buzz is a good one almost as good as the widows and PP.

Would I grow it again? Hell YAHHH.

Is it my favorite?
Nope! The blueberry has the best taste so far. PP best looking colors and buds, Best buzz WW #4

[Shovelhandle]

Again, very good writing, man. Very informative and easy to understand.

Thanks,
Shov

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks Shov,

Glad to here that, I do try to keep it short and informative.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I thought I would bring this back to the front page for the new members, and I am having problems trying to link it to my cuurent logs.

And the main reason is I have a new grow going and have 10 confirmed females and maybe 2 to 3 more and I am in a bind with space, as you can see in this grow I only had 9 plants and used every bit of space. Now my current grow I have maybe up to 13 females and they are even bigger than the 9 in this grow.

JG

[MercyEternity]

Well I did the harvesting last weekend so I have been either to busy with things being shuffled around or just to much of enjoying my bounty to do this post. So sorry everyone about the wait but here are the final stats and pics of THCB #1

THCB #1 this plant was the smallest of the three and has one of the best smells. She has been curing for 5 days now and has a strong sweet strawberry smell, which transfers well to the smoke.

The buzz is fast and hard hitting:) couch lock buzz, but functionable, more like a muscle relaxing buzz is the best description.

Total Yeild: 77g, or 2.75ozs.

Buds came out as nice tight and heavy with a nice coating of crystals, with really dark red almost brown hairs.

Your buds really are amazing. I am in natural awe.

Would you consider the THCB to be medicinal? The specs on it seem like that but you are the only person I have seen that has even grown the strain.

[dute12]

So Jerry or anyone else who cares to shed some insight and help me out a little will 20 or so plants be too much for a 600 watt hps emitting 95,000 lumens to support.

I did the math and with each plant recievig 3000-4000 lumens I still have plenty of lumens to spare so what do you guys think is 20 plants too much?

I am going to purchase this light in a matter of days but I need your opinions first. Responses to this post would be greatly apprciated I am kind of stuck on what to do.

( I MEAN JERRY HAD 9-10 LADIES GOING IN HIS LAB UNDER A SIX HUNDRED AND STILL GOT HUGE BUDS SO WOULD 20 BE PUSHING IT. NOT EXPECTING TO GET SUCH GOOD RESULTS BUT JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF MY LIGHTS WOULD SUSTAIN THAT MANY PLANTS)

[dute12]

Almost forgot to add Grow space will be 52"Lx52"Wx6'H, pots sizes are four gallons approximately 10 inches wide. I was thinking about Lining pots either 4x5 or 5x4, some with some space left between each for when leafs spread.

I will veg for about 1-2 weeks or probably switch to 12/12 once plants reach 8-10 inches. I will also have probably about 2 4ft flouros on 2 of 4 sides for side lighting. HPS will be vented hood type.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Dute 12,

Why 20 plants? I did 32 cloans under a 400 watt for most of their life, then I was able to do 3 weeks a 600 watt HPS for finishing. Also only 24 made it to completion, this was an experiment I and got 8 ounces out of it.

You do have more space than I did. My horizontal space is 48'' x 48'' I am currently growing out 12 females in this space. This was not planned on but I started 15 seeds expecting around a 40% male ratio and only had 3 males leaving me with 12 females. I cannot kill a female plant so I am in the middle of a barely under control grow.

I guess I need to ask a few questions before giving advice on how to proceed.

Are you starting from seed or cloans?

What strain or strains are you going to grow?

What is your Goal? Be specific on yield, quality, and time frame. The first 2 goals are directly affected by time, a decrease in veg time will decrease yield, a decrease in flower time will decrease yield and will affect the type of high.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Mercy,

Sorry I did not see your post until now.

Medicinal uses for THCB? I am fortunately not suffering from any ailments and I am not a doctor. So prescribing a strain or identifying medicinal qualities should be left to the people that know what they are talking about.

This is a very serious question and any wrong advice could have serious implications for someone in need. So I am politely going to pass on answering this question.

JG

[dute12]

I will be going from clones, The strains will be AK47 and THC Bomb. I was thinking about getting possible 1 pound of each strain best scenrio for the entire grow.

I was going to do about 12 AK47 and 8 THC bombs or probably 10 and 10. I am only doing 20 plants to make sure all plants get enough light so I can atleast have a decenct yeild.

The quality I am going for is high to mids and my time frame is as long as it takes for trics to be the right color. Or if you have any suggestions on a faster yeild. I will be using the entire fox farm line of nuts (liquids and soluables)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Dute12

I have given this alot of thought and done some research into this. And here is my recomendation.

I would try and do only 9 to 12 plants per grow!!!:thumbsup:

Reasoning: With 9 plants I had room to move things around with some difficulty but manageable. I am growing 12 now and it is causing a whole different set of problems. The 12 plants I am currently growing have no space on the sides to grow so they just go up causing issues with them getting to close or even above the light and the upper canopy is to thick to let light down to the lower parts of the plant. And to be honest just because it is 12 plants I don't think I will gain in yeild over 9 plants.

There is this fine line in growing, when you grow too many plants in a confined space this will decrease your yeild and I feel 20 is definatly crossing it.

Look I got 2 1/4 LBS out of 9 plants and if you follow my logs and mirrior what I did you should end up with something close to that, adding more plants to the mix does not garentee the same or better outcome.

Hope this helps and BOL
JG

[xwxspadesxwx]

did you top these plant or did u just let them grow??

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

No, I never topped them I performed LST on them starting when they were 4'' tall until ready to flower, then I just let them go.

JG

[FlaTransplant]

I just love a vicarious education!!
Thanx