what happens when you die?

[Dmo18]

it seems there has been alot of death around me lately and it got me wondering, what happens

is there heaven, or hell

do you know that you are dead or are you just gone forever

are you conscious? do you just rot away and thats the end of all the experiences you will ever have, or is there something else?

i wish i knew man but i thought i would just post this and get some of your thoughts

me personally i have no idea, but i refuse to believe we just die and thats it i think something happens but im not sure what

[TheGreenBuddy]

yeh i think an afterlife.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The brain is like a machine, or a computer. When you die, it no longer functions, and you're done with. Not a bad thing, really.

[geonagual]

you get to eat chocolate malts everyday

[Metaphor]

When you die your brain releases a chemical DMT, its highly potent hallucinogen. Suposedly this chemical also causes extreme dilation so the last few seconds of your live feel like an eternity. Scientists also believe this chemical is what causes dreams. Dont take my word for it though. Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine)

[Dutch Pimp]

Mankind has been asking that question since the beginning of time.

[StonedJew]

When you die your brain releases a chemical DMT, its highly potent hallucinogen. Suposedly this chemical also causes extreme dilation so the last few seconds of your live feel like an eternity. Scientists also believe this chemical is what causes dreams. Dont take my word for it though. Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine)

I always wondered about what happens after you die too. I did hear the same thing as above from my high school chemistry teacher.

[KingsBlend420]

Yea, we'll probably never know. I personally believe that when you die, you're completely unconscious with no idea who you are and what you did in your past life and then you are reborn, not necessarily as a human, but as anything. The human race is so fascinating it's insane and creepy.

[SFGurrilla]

Hopefully ill be ploped into Ganja Heaven, and ill have a blunt in my ear when I walk through the Bud Gates.

[make it legal]

It's probably like what it was before you were born. Nothing.

[DaZeDShAdOw]

I dont know, I beleive there is an after life. But I also think that it is not what everyone thinks of it as. No in a bad way, just different.

[SantaClawz]

Can you wake up dead?

[fearmygun1]

when ur dead your dead,but why are u wondering if there is an afterlife?.what about out side the universe billions upon billions of miles.u think it just stops?theres a cement wall?lolmakes me wonder

[Love2Chief]

well what ever the hell happens were all going to find out sooner or later. But if i am reborn i hope ill be born to be a hawk or an eagle!

[slipknotpsycho]

you lose a level and your total hp and mp is reduced to 1/3 of it's original ammount...

[Infamous]

The same place you go when you sleep.

[KingsBlend420]

The same place you go when you sleep.

That brings up an interesting point. Do you think that people can dream when they're dead, but just never wake up? Sounds very unlikely considering that the brain does absolutely nothing when you're dead, but it's interesting.

[Infamous]

I was thinking the same thing the other day.......what if you had electrical charges pumped through your brain when you're dead.......technically you should be able to dream right? To dream for the rest of eternity would be amazing.

[KingsBlend420]

i had a friend in high school who thought about death and the mysteries of the human race all the time. He believe that you have a shitload of energy flowing through you while you're alive and that it has to go someplace when you died, he could never figure out where though.

[Infamous]

Maybe its passed on to a new life? Ya know....the moment you die a kid is born sorta thing ;)

[KingsBlend420]

That's so trippy. Sometimes I don't like thinking about that kind of stuff because it kind of seems like a waste of time since no one knows. It's cool to think about it though when you're high because you get really into it. I've had some pretty deep conversations about it when I've been blitzed.

[vej33]

That brings up an interesting point. Do you think that people can dream when they're dead, but just never wake up? Sounds very unlikely considering that the brain does absolutely nothing when you're dead, but it's interesting.

That is assuming one still has a brain, or even a head, while they are dead. Given that, I don't see it as logical. But that DMT thing sounds cool, that whole "eternal last minute". then again, how eternal can something feel if your brain gets blown apart?

[KingsBlend420]

That is assuming one still has a brain, or even a head, while they are dead. Given that, I don't see it as logical. But that DMT thing sounds cool, that whole "eternal last minute". then again, how eternal can something feel if your brain gets blown apart?

Yea, I really wasn't thinking of someone w/o a head at the time haha. That makes death even more of a mystery.

[Infamous]

That's so trippy. Sometimes I don't like thinking about that kind of stuff because it kind of seems like a waste of time since no one knows. It's cool to think about it though when you're high because you get really into it. I've had some pretty deep conversations about it when I've been blitzed.

Yeah me too man. The only problem is remembering it the conversations after the session hehe. I heard that us humans only use 11 percent of our brains....... the other 89% could contain anything. All that extra space must be used for something, maybe it only activates when we die.

[Breukelen advocaat]

There was a doctor and medical scientist, during the French Revolution, who was arrested for some reason and sentenced to the guillotine. He told one of his protégés to observe his eyes after his head was cut off, because he wanted to conduct a final experiment, by blinking his eyes, to see if the brain was still conscious. The observer wrote that his friend blinked three times immediately following the guillotine.

[vej33]

I think the 11% of our brain thing means that we only use 11% of our brain at a TIME. i'm almost positive we've mapped out the brain for all its observable uses. Key word being "observable" i guess.

[Tony1234567890]

When you die, you come before God Almighty. Face to face.

If you don't know him, then there is reason to be afraid.

If you do know him, then it's all good.

[vej33]

So do animals meet God Almighty as well? and if they do, do they fear him since they are not intelligent enough to know "know him"?

i see no difference in the death of an ant, a dolphin, a bird, or a human. iv humored so many conversations with people claiming only humans have souls, but animals don't. it's a package deal.

our ansestors, the folks who breached the stretch between animal and human, had burial rituals for eachother.

i like what someone else said on here recently, it's something i've always thought as well: when you die, it's just like before you were born. nothing.

[KingsBlend420]

i like what someone else said on here recently, it's something i've always thought as well: when you die, it's just like before you were born. nothing.

I agree with that, it's a scary realization though. :(

[vej33]

To a degree yea.

Do you guys believe in souls? If so, what constitutes a soul? I'm not challenging or anything, I really just want to hear what people think.

[Reefer Rogue]

Well, when you die, your family and friends greave and there is usually a celebration of your past life while also being a place to cry over your dead body. A funeral.

[MoFayah]

RR, thats the one im more familiar with. er, not like i died or some shit, but thats how things usually run around here. Its kind of depressing, been to a handful in a matter of months, all immediete(sp?). better times ahead i hope. till then im in cruise control:cool:

[Fotokopie]

Here's my theory on death: I'm not sure if it's someone else's too, but anyways,

I believe that when you die, you rot. (obviously) BUT, when you rot, you body is basically broken downinto smaller and smaller particles until eventually, you're (or what used to be you) is nothing but elements scattered throughout the ground. (If buried w/o a grave case thing.)


So anyways, now you're scattered elements, and these elements are eventually reorganized through different chemical reactions and what have you, and it's through this process that I believe we are re-encarnated. Be it as dirt or a plant, maybe (if we could be so lucky) a nice big Pot plant.

I don't know if it's true, but it's the only thing that really makes complete sence to me. But it's only a theory, there's no way to tell if it's true because you aren't you anymore, no memories, no nothing, you've become something completely different.

[Dmo18]

i think re encarnation sounds like the most pleasant possibility

but like someone said earlir its weird to think it really might be like we were never born though. nothing. weird?

[greatmuta]

I have always been absolutely convinced that you just simply lose conciousness and have no thoughts whatsoever. You just cease to exist. And fasterspider's post has confirmed that to me :jointsmile: :rastasmoke: The whole notion of an afterlife has never made any sense to me. But I do understand the desire for humans to believe in something like that though. To me, however, it has no basis in reality at all. To each his own though it's all good :rasta:

[expandingeye]

I have always been absolutely convinced that you just simply lose conciousness and have no thoughts whatsoever. You just cease to exist. And fasterspider's post has confirmed that I was right :jointsmile: :rastasmoke: The whole notion of an afterlife has never made any sense to me and it's just crazy talk in my opinion. :hippy:


i agree kind of. Everything psychedelics have showed me makes me believe when you die you simply return to a non conscious state similar to before you are born. Just being whatever you wanna call the particles, molecules, atoms or whatever. In peace at least.

Maybe people that have those death experience in hospitals and see white lights did die, recieved the dmt and took it for whatever they did. They chose to interpret their last chemical release as a hopeful gateway to heaven for eternity. Rather than a trip since they dont even know dmt releases in the brain when you die. right?
So when you die you get that last trip and than you blast into peace of being part of the particulate matter which is the earth.

[Gundari]

The bhuddists believe that you enter into a long string of trials (including avoiding what we would percieve to be as "heaven", coming face to face with wrathful dieties, face to face with death himself, and a cadre of other tribulations) that will decide the if you are reborn or break free of the karmic cycle and achieve nirvana. If you are reborn you're final trial is to walk down a hall full of people having sex and choose which ones shall be your parents. Upon choosing you experience total and complete bliss then you are concieved.

My grandmother has seen a ghost once before in her life time, when she was very young her grandfather died, she had never met him before. The night of his death before her family was informed of his passing she went into her mothers room and said there was a nice man in her room and described her deceased grandfather with astonishing perfection.

Honestly I have had no such experience and until I do, I shall continue to believe that when I die thats it, game over. I'd like to believe in an after life but I just simply can't believe in something thats never been presented to me in any form at all be it tangible or personal experience.

[SantaClawz]

Do you believe in ghosts?

[Gundari]

Me?
Not particularly, I won't say they don't exist but I've never had a supernatural experience.

[Shamp]

When I die, I hope it's in my sleep. Wanna go out like that, peacefully. I really don't care what happens after that.

[youngcity]

i believe that we are all made up of energy and when you die you go into a dreamless sleep, like being unconscious with no memories. your body decomposes and the energy that once made you is broken down until some other being uses the energy.

[Gundari]

i believe that we are all made up of energy and when you die you go into a dreamless sleep, like being unconscious with no memories. your body decomposes and the energy that once made you is broken down until some other being uses the energy.

Sounds an awful lot like the life stream in final fantasty 7 :-p

[vej33]

My dad once had this conversation with me... he told me that the energy that makes up this earth today, and its inhabitants, has always been the same energy, since energy cannot be made or destroyed... therefore, he said that he believed when we die, our energy becomes reused, probably in the ground we decompose in. but our bodies go into the dirt, and the dirt sprouts plants, and plants give off air, which help others breathe....

sort of like that circle of life speech Mufasa gave Simba.

It makes the most sense to me, to be honest, at least by todays scientific knowledge. And I don't find it at all horrifying or scary... To decompose is a part of life, it's a process that we start from the moment of conception... We are always aging.

And I don't know that I believe there is a universe of unborn babies waiting to choose its parents...I think that we are all the product of 48 chromosomes, and our "soul" is really how we choose to display ourselves; we have the capability to communicate, and hear, and see, and be intelligent, and I think our intelligence is our soul.....

??!??!???what do you guys think???!?!!!?!?

[potsmokingnome]

I've allways believed in reincarnation. Cause Its a prooven fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed, so I think the soul is one of the purest forms of energy. so when you dies your soul just gets recycled into another life form. Be it be a snail, cockroache, butterfly, Grizzly bear or another human being. I also think the way you live your life reflects on how long your soul is trapped in animal form, untill it becomes human again. Kharma can work to your advantage, or cause you to be a dung beetle!!

[Surge25]

there was this science show i was watching on tv before. It was a documentry on souls. The scientists belived that there was some source of energy in the body, religious people could call it a peice of god, or soul, the scientists just called it energy. So they took a dieing person who devoted himself to science. Put him in a Glass chamber, totally scealed. Air tight with one tube running down his throut for oxygen, self sistaining in the chamber. So basicly, totally scealed. When the person died, no sudden burst of energy came or anything, but upon investation, they found a small crack in the glass. So there was some sourt of powerfull energy.

i dont kno, just found it pretty interesting

[vej33]

hmMMmmm that IS interesting... i suppose that would be a good method of testing.. the energy must go somewhere, right?

[Coelho]

"Confutatis maledictis,
flammis acribus addictis:
voca me cum benedictis.

Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
judicandus homo reus."

(While the wicked are confounded,
doomed to flames of woe unbounded
call me with thy saints surrounded.

Ah! that day of tears and mourning!
From the dust of earth returning
man for judgment must prepare him.)

Or... if you want a more "scientific" answer...


Well... what i will describe is only a theory, but for me makes sense.
Heaven and hell are described as timeless places we go after our death, and where we stay forever.
But time is relative. As every stoner knows, one minute can feel like hours... so what is one second for one people dont necessarily means one second for another.
Well... its believed that when our body is dying our brain is flooded with neurotransmitters and other substances, one of which is the DMT, a HEAVY hallucinogenic. And it makes the time to go slowwww.
So, i think both heaven and hell are states of mind, (or "trips" like some people would say) felt by people due the release of hallucinogens in the dying brain.
And, as every tripper knows, set and setting plays a fundamental role in the "trip". So, if a person was a good person, and had a positive view of the death ("when i die i will go to heaven"), then when it start to feel the hallucinations it will regard it as being in heaven. Yet if the people's view of the death were fearsome, the "trip" will be hellish.
And now enters the relativity of the time. For we, that are alive, the death of a person takes only few moments. But for the dying person, their "trippily" distorted perception of time may make this moments feels like forever. Forever being in hell of heaven.

PS. 1600th post!

[cwesto]

hmMMmmm that IS interesting... i suppose that would be a good method of testing.. the energy must go somewhere, right?

Yea IMO that energy u r talking about, is ur soul, and when u die ur energy goes where u want it, mines going to heaven to hang out with god and all the angels.:thumbsup:

[modena626]

"My dad once had this conversation with me... he told me that the energy that makes up this earth today, and its inhabitants, has always been the same energy, since energy cannot be made or destroyed... therefore, he said that he believed when we die, our energy becomes reused, probably in the ground we decompose in. but our bodies go into the dirt, and the dirt sprouts plants, and plants give off air, which help others breathe....

sort of like that circle of life speech Mufasa gave Simba.

It makes the most sense to me, to be honest, at least by todays scientific knowledge. And I don't find it at all horrifying or scary... To decompose is a part of life, it's a process that we start from the moment of conception... We are always aging.

And I don't know that I believe there is a universe of unborn babies waiting to choose its parents...I think that we are all the product of 48 chromosomes, and our "soul" is really how we choose to display ourselves; we have the capability to communicate, and hear, and see, and be intelligent, and I think our intelligence is our soul....."






That is a very intersting theory. I've taken many biology and chemistry classes and that theory actually seems to make some kind of scientific sense. The only problem I have is that humans are a product of 46 chromosomes, not 48.:thumbsup:

[vej33]

hahahha yea it's 28 pairs that i was thinking of, not 48.... i didn't do great in my genetics class last year heheheh but you got what i was saying! :)

[modena626]

hahahha yea it's 28 pairs that i was thinking of, not 48.... i didn't do great in my genetics class last year heheheh but you got what i was saying! :)

Haha, I hate to do it again but it's 23 pairs. 46 chromosomes equals 23 pairs.:jointsmile:

P.s. I ate a special cookie about two hours so I'm only doing this cuz im so :jointsmile:

[vej33]

hahaha GODDAMN!!!!!! like i said..... not a genetics wiz... i can preach the idea, but i won't pass the test lol


fuck and im not even stoned :thumbsup:

[cwesto]

Ok yea if we are talking about what happens to ur body when u die, yea it decomposes and does what mufasa told simba, but come on now, we as individuals are not bodies we are souls and minds u kno. I thougt thats what we were talking about not what happens to our dead rotting stinking bodies lol

[Soysaucee]

we were all dead at one time, then we were born

[Soysaucee]

^i think that has already been said, but i just think its fuckin insane

[Mayack419]

I do believe in an afterlife. Someway, somehow. Who knows.

[Nailhead]

me personally i have no idea, but i refuse to believe we just die and thats it i think something happens but im not sure what

It is very hard for any human to believe in this possibility because it is very hard for humans to comprehend an end to time and living as we know it. However, this is the possibility that I believe is most probable as the existence of an afterlife is just the result of a highly intelligent mind few other animals posses. I guess the best way I can describe the unimaginable is to think about what it was like before you were born, and that is most likely exactly what death will be like.

[ghosty]

I'm not sure but I hope it kinda works like the movie "What Dreams May Come", I just got done watching that, it's a beautiful movie.

[vej33]

as magical and mystical as the "mind" and "soul" are, i really just think that both of them are a product of our intelligence... i read a book called "the Accidental Mind" over the summer--I'd HIGHLY reccomend it... it's all about how even though our brain is looked at as this marvelous creation, it's really put together slip-shod, and kind of haphazardly. it's the process of millions of years of evolution building on eachother. we've got all these ancient instincts (like the instincts of intuition should your eyesight go), etc.

lol i always go on tangents, but either way... i think that your soul, and your mind, and everything that makes you YOU.. relies solely on the proper functioning of your body. i think all we are, spiritually and all, is a product of our biology and genetics, and those damn 23 pairs of chromosomes lol....

but i'm definitely not closed to new ideas, i'll be the first to admit i'm wrong if i die, and start floating to heaven... hopefully, God or Jsus or whoever will respect my will and right to search for answers and not be gullied into the "popular belief".... i'm babbling..

[Nochowderforyou]

I strongly believe a permanant sleep. When you are sleeping, you feel nothing, see nothing, and hear nothing.

The mind is functioning, and once it stops, you lose all ability to see, feel or hear...it's an unwakable sleep.

[Fotokopie]

I believe in the degradation theory thing.

You just degrade until you're nothing but elements.
Then, obviously, something eventually is made from
those elements. And if you're lucky enough to re-assume
the role of a human, consider yourself lucky.
Not that you'll ever realise you were or will be another
human being. It's like the ultimate paradox, 'what happens?'

Living life as something other than a
creature with rational thought, concience, reason, or
a 'mind' would be horrid. I'd imagine living with just
natural instinct would be similar to living like a junkie.
You don't think anymore, you just need to do things.
You don't get to decide anymore, you take life as it
comes because that's all you know. Eat, sleep, shit,
hydrate, eat, sleep, shit, hydrate. It's like an endess
cycle of meanial tasks just to stay alive... And for what
purpose? To kill? To be killed? Why is any lifeform
significant other than to die for the survial of another?

This is what I have, and always will believe.
There is no afterlife until you are recreated.
But even then, you're unable to recognize who,
or what you were before. So technically, it's a new life.
If you're even something that can come to that conclusion.

It's complicated shit, dying and stuff.
I almost hate thinking about it. But all the amazing things
that could happen are endless and really interesting.

[Metaphor]

I once heard a theory that when you die its like your in an endless dream and every time you 'wake up' your in a different dream. Its a beautiful idea but its just a theory and i dont really see the logic behind it.

[Fotokopie]

I think the dream theory is based off
the fact that when you die, your brain
releases DMT, which can make 10 seconds
feel like 10 years. I'd image that's what
they're going off of anyways.

[Earthy Dank]

I like Jimi's reasoning....

"Life must be positive...if your life means something then happiness will follow. Everyone has something to give. Your body is as unimportant as one fish in the sea compared with your soul. I believe you live and live again until you have got all the evil and hatred out of the soul."- J. Hendrix

[hazetwostep]

when ur dead your dead,but why are u wondering if there is an afterlife?.what about out side the universe billions upon billions of miles.u think it just stops?theres a cement wall?lolmakes me wonder

well according to current science the universe is NOT infinite so it has an end of some sort... you make it sound so silly to believe there is something outside our physical universe. do you have a better picture of what lies beyond the boundaries of our universe since we know according to current physics that it has a definitive size and mass.. therefore an end.. it is not infinite

do you have a better picture of what it means to have a finite universe than to believe there is a spiritual or astral or some other level of consciousness beyond this physical reality? or do you like to lol at people's attempts to make sense of existence and the world around them?

[vej33]

on the topic of our souls, or our energy, or our "particles" being reused... i think it's safe to assume that all the energy that is here on earth now has always been here (since it cannot be created or destroyed)...

so does that mean that all of our energy has been used before? we are infact, according to that little theory, used energy. as much as we are discussing where we WILL go, nobody has discussed where we HAVE been.

Maybe all of us who enjoy the use of MJ have, in fact, been the energy for an MJ plant in the past! I betchu I was potent shit hehe, but seriously... if we all are just reusable energy (which i think is fucking AWESOME) then we currently are proof that you don't remember your past use... WICKID... what do you guys think???

ps this fucking thread is awesome

[Fotokopie]

We're everything.
We've been everything.
We will be everything.

Energy is the ultimate recycable.
It will never run out.

Why did energy happen is what I want to know.
Where did it come from if it wasn't created.
Why does it happen?
Is there a source?

Who are we?
Why do we exist?
Why does anything exist?
Do we actually exist?

If sight and sound is how are brains interpret stimuli,
how do we actually know what happens around us
is what is actually happening around us?

More or less, if a tree falls in the woods,
and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a noise?

No.
Noise is the brains way of interpereting sound waves.
If there aren't any brains to do so, then it technically
makes no noise.

There are so many paradi in the world, it's incredible.
We think we're intellegent, yet we can't solve answers
that really matter. We just make up reason so we don't
have to figure them out. Hense, religion.

We need to concentrate on solving these problems, not killing each other.
The only way to continue existing is to try and find out why we exist.
If there is a common goal for all people to share, then there's no reason to
fight.

Technically we're all the same. Technically we're all different.
Different and the Same.
We're the same as the earth, and we're different from the earth.

We're all seperate, different beings, yet, we're all the same once we break down,
we're all energy.
Everything is made of energy, so why fight? We're all the same.

We, as a whole, concentrate on the differences and not the similarities.

I feel like I'm rambling, and I just keep typing what comes to mind.
I'm sorry if I confuse people, but I confuse myself too. Hahah

Thanks for reading. :]

[Fotokopie]

Plus, we're all breaking down into energy constantly.
If not, why would we need to pump energy into ourselves to keep us alive.
We're inefficient.

Nothing can or ever will be 100% efficient.
There's no such thing as perpetual motion.
You can't stop the transfer of energy.
You can't stop molecular movement.

Everything is constantly changing and reforming.

[Infamous]

We're everything.
We've been everything.
We will be everything.

Energy is the ultimate recycable.
It will never run out.

Why did energy happen is what I want to know.
Where did it come from if it wasn't created.
Why does it happen?
Is there a source?

Who are we?
Why do we exist?
Why does anything exist?
Do we actually exist?

If sight and sound is how are brains interpret stimuli,
how do we actually know what happens around us
is what is actually happening around us?

More or less, if a tree falls in the woods,
and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a noise?

No.
Noise is the brains way of interpereting sound waves.
If there aren't any brains to do so, then it technically
makes no noise.

There are so many paradi in the world, it's incredible.
We think we're intellegent, yet we can't solve answers
that really matter. We just make up reason so we don't
have to figure them out. Hense, religion.

We need to concentrate on solving these problems, not killing each other.
The only way to continue existing is to try and find out why we exist.
If there is a common goal for all people to share, then there's no reason to
fight.

Technically we're all the same. Technically we're all different.
Different and the Same.
We're the same as the earth, and we're different from the earth.

We're all seperate, different beings, yet, we're all the same once we break down,
we're all energy.
Everything is made of energy, so why fight? We're all the same.

We, as a whole, concentrate on the differences and not the similarities.

I feel like I'm rambling, and I just keep typing what comes to mind.
I'm sorry if I confuse people, but I confuse myself too. Hahah

Thanks for reading. :]

Wow that was cool. After reading that I thought you were proper old and wise but then I checked your profile and saw that you were born the day after me haha

[vej33]

i think Energy was the reaction of some other action that DIDN'T require energy...

an energy-less cause resulted in energy...

the question then becomes what could possibly be so awesomely powerful that it could create such a reaction WITHOUT energy?

Scientists think that our Universe may just be one "cell", or membrane amongst an infinite number of membranes, and they think that when those branes collide, they cause this huge explosion of energy (big bang), thus resulting in the observable world we see today.

I have a lot to add on your sight/sound/brain interpretations, b/c I LOVE thinking about that stuff, but I have to go... but basically, yea our senses are amazing and can allow us to experience 5 different stimuli of our world... but sometimes i feel like we are LIMITED to only those 5 senses... i always think that there are other things capable of being observed and experienced, we just don't have the SENSES to sense them.

it all has to do with our evolution... the senses became activated as they were needed... feelers and antenae started to grow at the front of our ancient, ancient organisms, and ultimately became eyes.

AH!!

[Fotokopie]

:]

I'm actually only 17.

I just think a lot.

[vej33]

what do you mean you're "actually" 17. you don't think it's common for teenagers to have deep thoughts?

im 22, but i wouldn't say that makes me any more or any less capable. wisdom is not an age. very insightful thougths though, regardless of your age. PEACE!

[Fotokopie]

No no no, I didn't mean it like that.
On my profile it says I'm 18,
but I'm not,
I'm only 17.

I was letting Infamous know, he thought I was born the day after him,
but it was in fact, 366 days after him. :]

[Fotokopie]

I just thought of another thing,

What's to say I'm not like 366 years old?
Is time actually an object,
is it something that exists?
Or is it just another excuse to keep us from
going crazy thinking about it?

[vej33]

haha oh sorry, i must not have seen the post you were referring to.

but i still maintain that opinion, wizdom is not age... i hear a lot of people talking about "old souls", could that just be old energy? hmm... anyway, definitely keep thinking thoughts Fotokopie, and DEFINITELY keep smoking weed... i bet you get some pretty outrageous insight under the influence

we should compare brains sometime lol

[LIP]

No no no, I didn't mean it like that.
On my profile it says I'm 18,
but I'm not,
I'm only 17.

I was letting Infamous know, he thought I was born the day after him,
but it was in fact, 366 days after him. :]

It's an adult site only. You just admitted your under...

[memoryburner]

It's probably like what it was before you were born. Nothing.

I second that....unless any of you can tell me what it was like before you were born

[R.H]

When you die your brain releases a chemical DMT, its highly potent hallucinogen. Suposedly this chemical also causes extreme dilation so the last few seconds of your live feel like an eternity. Scientists also believe this chemical is what causes dreams. Dont take my word for it though. Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine)

You know man, I gotta say, I've been questioning death and everything recently under similar circumstances to the OP, and you've just sent me into a big research-spree about this.

[bogoljub777]

hello everyone-

what happens when we die is we transfer into the 5th dimension. meaning we leave this 3 demensional world behind, and our three dimensional bodies, and we enter 5th dimension. 5 dimensional world.

that is....if we are lucky enough to make it there. some people dont even have anything to make it into 5th dimension. when their 3 dimensional form "dies" or stops working, thats it.

so if we are nice enough to make it from 3 to 5 dimensions, what about 7 dimensional world? or 9?

what if it keeps going, but we never really leave the place we are at either.

thats why we see ghosts. people "die", they go to the 5th dimension, but they can return to the third dimension to enjoy it and remember what happened here.

so if we go, 3 5 7 9 11........ and we keep earning the right to ascend, we can return to where we left.

what fun, eh! up and down. outkast elevators.

me and you....your momma and your cousin, too..... " im going to listen to that album on this cloudy day! : )

so anywho, if you are actually worth ascending, you go into more dimensions. but you can return to, apparently by ghosts as proof.

but if we can return to this 3 dimensional world as ghosts, then if we were to "die" from the 5th dimension and ascend to the 7th dimension, when we returned to the 5th dimension would it be like a ghost returning to the 3 dimensional world. in other words, i wonder if it is comparable to compare the return of a ghost to the 3 dimensional world as a return of an individual from the 7th to the 5th dimension?

these dimensions are real, they do exist, and they have been proven by science. this is real.

but will you ascend? that depends on your choice in behavior.

[worm]

All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.


... heres Tom with the weather.

[vej33]

[quote=worm]All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.QUOTE]

lol yes. yes yes yes.

[vej33]

oops

[EbelEyes]

Nothing.

At least thats what I think.

But nothing is beautiful.

[Barrelhse]

I find no reason to believe that a dead person is any different from a dead squirrel. Why would anyone think otherwise?
When it's over, it's over. Not a difficult concept.

[Droplet]

im scared seriously

[Cannabis-Sativa]

EdelEyes


why is nothing beautiful that is a ridiculous proclamation in my opinion, why do you think that?

[RUTBpiping]

The brain is like a machine, or a computer. When you die, it no longer functions, and you're done with. Not a bad thing, really.

Absolutely you are at peace


When you die your brain releases a chemical DMT, its highly potent hallucinogen. Suposedly this chemical also causes extreme dilation so the last few seconds of your live feel like an eternity. Scientists also believe this chemical is what causes dreams. Dont take my word for it though. Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine)

That sounds interesting.


It's probably like what it was before you were born. Nothing.

Yep i agree.


I overdosed on heroin 3 times, pronounced dead on the scene of a bad car wreck and then woke up and I also hanged myself in 1988 only to be cut down and brought back to life by my woman at the time. Thanks Robbin.
There is no other side, all the talk you have heard on an after life is all fabrications and lies handed down for a couple thousand years to intimidate and control the masses.
The lies work and keep most in line but, there is no other side.

Wow thanks for sharing that.......a famous guy in Australia called Kerry Packer (ironically dead now) his heart stopped and he said "ive being to the other side and there is nothing there".

I agree with the other bit too.


All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.


... heres Tom with the weather.

Bahaha tool rules. :thumbsup:

[mamma puffpuff420]

this is a question that can never b answered
a question as old as time it's self
the answer is in ur own death

[EbelEyes]

EdelEyes


why is nothing beautiful that is a ridiculous proclamation in my opinion, why do you think that?

It is nothing.

But you do not know that is nothing.

You don't know that you don't know.

You don't laugh anymore.

But you don't cry anymore.

Its not good, and its not bad.

Because it is not bad it is good.

Can't fucking wait! :thumbsup:

Anytime is fine by me!

[beachguy in thongs]

I'm thinking about Jimi Hendrix's quote, in my signature, and, Edgar Cayce's readings of people's past lives. Then, thinking of the Mayans, maybe they were the first to reach the perfect peace which we all aim for.

Jimi Hendrix - encyclopedia article about Jimi Hendrix. (http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/Jimi+Hendrix)
Edgar Cayce - encyclopedia article about Edgar Cayce. (http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/Edgar+Cayce)
Maya civilization - encyclopedia article about Maya civilization. (http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/Maya+civilization)

[palerider7777]

Im sure this would be more interesting if I was blazed right now, but whatever. :stoned:

Listen up, when you die. You Die. Theres no "After life," theres no "Ganja Heaven" (Unfortunately) Theres no "Being reborn," theres no Hell/Heaven." When you die. You die. Your brain shuts down and your non-existent, theres no euphoria or feeling of "Being free." When you die....you die. Thats it completely gone. Look at animals and insects and tiny little "micro-bugs" in water. Life is so fragile. Theres no escaping the HARSH reality of death. No Book (Bible and such) can do anything but numb the horrible feeling of life eventually coming to end. END.<-----Notice the period) Take a look at FasterSpider's response. if you were to die and then be brought back to life (i.e electric things) you'll open your eyes...and forget what just happened. Its like blacking out, where you lose consiousness,(SP) You were dead and life was over for those 2 minutes. (Or whatever)

Its harsh, and its a reality. The bible is false. Im sorry, you can keep living your meaningful lives hoping and wishing and praying to the neon god you made, but nothing will change your death. Hey, thats my belief, and if there is a god, well then im probably going to hell, right? Which is logically impossible to exist.

By the way, im agnostic. Not atheist. Taunt me and complain how "your god," IS real, and how im wrong. It wont alter my interpretation of this life.

Remember, that doesnt mean life istn worth living, cause it is.

Peace.:hippy:

"Remember, that doesnt mean life istn worth living, cause it is."

if thats all true then why would it be? what work as a slave ur whole life trying to do good and whats right to just die and be nothin wow

[worm]

Indeed. Whats the point of living a meaningless existence?

[Cygnus1122]

^Well said sir. A very liberating speech.
I still haven't quite made up my mind on death. I like to humor all the different possibilities to see if and how it would change how I lived my life. If I truly believed that there was no after life, I certainly wouldn't throw out my morals like most of the believers would argue. Just continue to live life and be happy. As anyone should do, no matter the outcome. Life has a funny way of completely knocking you on your ass when you finally figure out "The meaning of life."

Great topic you guys, keep it up. Oh yeah and keep tokin' of course! :jointsmile:

[Delta9 UK]

or maybe the other side did'nt show it's self to u cause u don't deserve to see it as u did'nt seem to value ur life.and just because ur pronounced dead by another human don't mean ur dead or even close to it so just because someone said hey u were dead,that don't mean shit.so just because u did'nt exp anything does'nt make it so for everyone else.and im sure there can be just as many reasons why u didn't see or exp anything as if u did so it's ok to open ur mind alil bit more than that

No offence but I don't think that was called for. How can you judge someone else like that?

How many times have you been pronounced dead? (2x for me btw - both from convulsions when I was a kid)

If you think that someone "deserves" life after death then I'm guessing you must be religious, now I'm not one to judge but who is being narrow minded here? Hmmm?

Saying "the other side did'nt show it's self to u cause u don't deserve to see it as u did'nt seem to value ur life" is a pretty shitty thing to do dude.

[geonagual]

your spirit and stomach go to a place where Hershey Almond candy bars are hanging off of trees..you just walk up and pick them..no limit..

[palerider7777]

No offence but I don't think that was called for. How can you judge someone else like that?

How many times have you been pronounced dead? (2x for me btw - both from convulsions when I was a kid)

If you think that someone "deserves" life after death then I'm guessing you must be religious, now I'm not one to judge but who is being narrow minded here? Hmmm?

Saying "the other side did'nt show it's self to u cause u don't deserve to see it as u did'nt seem to value ur life" is a pretty shitty thing to do dude.

no not really it depends on how u look at it thats like saying u see someone beating the fuck out of his/her dog every day till the dog is almost dead are u saying the owner should still be able to keep the dog? so if someone is not valuing there life and trying to kill themselfs or misstreating there body in a way to where they could die and hurt not only them but the people around them r u saying they are deserving of any respect?

sorry but i don't respect people that don't respect themselfs just like i don't respect people that beat dogs same thing.ur life is the most valuable thing u have so to not care about ur own life deserves no respect from either side in life or death, and since u don't believe in god or life after death, then it would'nt matter anyways as in ur mind or the like, were all just living to die and be nothing anyways so why would it matter??well in that matter why are we even having this chat as it don't mean shit either as were all gonna cease to be one day not to move on to anything better or anything like that.

[Delta9 UK]

no not really it depends on how u look at it thats like saying u see someone beating the fuck out of his/her dog every day till the dog is almost dead are u saying the owner should still be able to keep the dog?


No, it doesn't - that's a bit silly. Your analogy is piss poor. This is a man - not a dog, and yeah he did it to himself not a defencless animal.



so if someone is not valuing there life and trying to kill themselfs or misstreating there body in a way to where they could die and hurt not only them but the people around them r u saying they are deserving of any respect?


Yes I am. If you had any compassion you would too.




sorry but i don't respect people that don't respect themselfs just like i don't respect people that beat dogs same thing.ur life is the most valuable thing u have so to not care about ur own life deserves no respect from either side in life or death, and since u don't believe in god or life after death, then it would'nt matter anyways as in ur mind or the like, were all just living to die and be nothing anyways so why would it matter??well in that matter why are we even having this chat as it don't mean shit either as were all gonna cease to be one day not to move on to anything better or anything like that.

I don't need to believe in God, heaven or an afterlife for my life to have plenty of meaning thanks. You must have a lot invested in your belief system to think like that.

I don't respect people like you - so lets leave it at that.

[Spoken Word]

it seems there has been alot of death around me lately and it got me wondering, what happens

is there heaven, or hell

do you know that you are dead or are you just gone forever

are you conscious? do you just rot away and thats the end of all the experiences you will ever have, or is there something else?

i wish i knew man but i thought i would just post this and get some of your thoughts

me personally i have no idea, but i refuse to believe we just die and thats it i think something happens but im not sure what

Don't know... I think we just die and rot.. Our "souls" are just our character and conscience. Before we die, we know if we lived life positively or otherwise. I think thats the closest you get to heaven or hell, the last minutes before your death. maybe that's why sudden(and un-natural) deaths are so sad.


but yea, i think our bodies just decompose.....

[palerider7777]

No, it doesn't - that's a bit silly. Your analogy is piss poor. This is a man - not a dog, and yeah he did it to himself not a defencless animal.








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well in the way u believe whats the diffrence man..dog..were all just matter floating around right.so why would it matter that he is a man and a dog is just a dog?what makes us any diffrent if there is no god and in the way u believe ie big bang or whatever were we came from apes,then would'nt u and the dog be the same? equal? so why would the dog be any less in value?

[palerider7777]

Yes I am. If you had any compassion you would too.




.

well if he/u had compassion u would'nt put ur family threw hell and become a burden to them

[palerider7777]

I don't need to believe in God, heaven or an afterlife for my life to have plenty of meaning thanks. You must have a lot invested in your belief system to think like that.

I don't respect people like you - so lets leave it at that.

i can do all things through christ which strengthens me,so i don't need yours or anybodies respect for that matter.and through god i have no weakness, and 1 day u will remember this chat we had when u are bowed at his feet.so i hope u find him b4 it's to late.and that goes for all

[Delta9 UK]

I guessed right then - cheers.

What you said was the product of your own delusion and brainwashing - good luck with that. Your comments were disrespectful and you haven't the first clue about that mans history - laughably you judged him anyway - what a great Christian attitude. People like you make me puke.

If you really want to go toe to toe about Evolution then be my guest - but prepare to get schooled.

You have plenty of weakness my friend and its all here in this thread - even your god can see that.

Keywords: Greenhouse, stones, throwing.

[Aliigetshyphy]

I personally don't believe in an afterlife or God, and I think that what happens to us after we die is beyond our comprehension.. It could be another form of existence that we don't even know of yet.

This is actually one of my favorite topics to think about when I'm insanely stoned and by myself. :]

[Cannabis-Sativa]

The brain is like a machine, or a computer. When you die, it no longer functions, and you're done with. Not a bad thing, really.

but its not about the brain really, its deeper than that.

[jim55555]

the truth is no one really knows all the processes that take place at the point of death and after NO ONE. we are learning through light ,and imaging technology to look to a body as it expires looking for the "soul" i believe we have a soul i have not seen it yet i hope i live to see one when we can.
no one i know has died and returned with the info.never i seen people claim to die but they aint been dead long enough to really know.its the person that been dead for like a 3 days n wakes up n he be all decomposed then he got a story to listen too.

[bogoljub777]

no no no....... im afraid alot of people are mistaken.

i know for a fact that we live on, at least some of us, becuause i have had any number of interactions with ghosts.

i live in arizona, i am highly perceptive to people who have died, and when i visited tombstone arizona, i communicated with the ghosts there who were shot in the back during the wild west days.

IMPORTANT INFO-

the wild west days was silly. it wasnt honorable, people got shot in the back for no reason. and died.

another example was ghosts i ran into up at some historic hotel in the part of the country we call yellowstone. there is some historic hotel which is haunted.

and the third example was the tie when i met people who survived the holocaust, and they were able to call up ghosts, and a whole group of people saw the same thing.

ghosts exist, and they are us.

your lucky if you become a ghost. i myself fought in wars in the balkans, and some people who died.... their soul didnt rise.

so im telling you, i know things firsthand, and people do have souls that live on. that is if you arent too stupid to throw it away on idle vanity.

its a very strange thing.

think about it this way.... the only way we humans know we exist is because we can see our physical selves.

take away our body..... "death" as its called..... and then how can we prove we exist?

we can and cant.

look im telling you guys, i know ghosts personally, and they were once alive like you and me.

if you make it to being a peaceful or even angry ghost, consider yourselves lucky. like i said, i fought in the balkans wars in 2000 and some of the so called "mujahideen", when certain ones i killed, yes i, their soul didnt rise.

and you know whats funny. the one who was like the asshole, thats the ones whose soul didnt rise. the mujahideen who was like not friendly..... or not human almost....

you know when you meet the people who you cant really relate to, from a human perspective? they mock imagination and fantasy.... they are like, not friendly.... but that dosent really describe it..... they live to go too far.

like certain behavior which nobody is willing to do, like eat shit or incest, these kind of people do regularly.

so the person who wont be a ghost, you can kind of see them now, and they dont have like morality or...... its something intrinsic...almost like a boundary.....

the poeple who dont become ghosts when they die..... they dont have any scrupils or they are willing to mistreat others to a great extent.... like how the nazis tortured those people in the holocaust.

most of the nazis, they didnt become ghosts.

so if they didnt become ghosts...what happened to them?

THEY STAYED WITH THEIR BODIES.

can you understand that? through decomposition!!! they ate themselves, and then when there was nothing left to eat....

they just dissappeared.

these people who dont become ghosts..... imagine fighting a war against someone who wont live on, but is currently alive!

imagine fighting a war, against someone who absolutley has nothing to loose, and you have everything to loose!

imagine fighting him or her, and doing it without losing anything!

that is all of our fughts. us meaning the people who will be ghosts.

999999999999

and like i said..... if you are lucky enough to make it from 3rd to 5th dimension...... then you should be ok forever.

truly alive forever.

how interesting.

its all or nothing people. either you make it all the way, or you dont make it at all. im not aware of any purgatory.

imagine being able to just expand into infinte multidimensional worlds. strange. major change in perspective.

so we see? we all see, huh. seeing is.... relative.

if the dimensions of our world changes from 3 to 5, wont our sight perspective?

now that is mind bending.

oh! you guys want to know soemthing else? tryptamines, the active elemnts in weed as well as in mushrooms, is released by your brain naturally right before death. everybodies brain does it.

the fight today my friends....is to prevent the people who arent ghosts anyway, from costing you anything. not even a headache or heartache. nothing. cut them off.

i can guarentee that these people are already doing bad anyway, becuase they are trying to fill the thing they were born missing.

fill em with shit. dont let em fill themselves with your essence, which you were born with as a gift for all times.

that 311 song...... "amber". amber is the color of your energy? shades of gold displayed naturally.

some of the people who were tortured the worst in the holocaust, they were gold. i myself am gold.

does anyone out there know that song...... on that like tv advertizement where they do those multiple songs.... "im blue", la da de da da da, etc....

have any of you ever felt weird when that song was played? i did. they were talking about blue people. blue ghosts.

as far as i know, you are blue or you are golden. thats all i know for sure. perhaps you could be neither gold nor blue but transparent..... yes i think you can.

blue is of jesus. gold is of the highest order of men in the inner circle of g-d himself. the great and terrible.

[netscaven]

this thread is very intersting to me, being that this is my first time seeing views like this, but many of the thoughts expressed are exactly what i believe.......or are at least possibilities that I have wondered but it seems noone else does.... such as what if everything is reincarnated as something else, an infinte amount of times? or what if reincarnation only exists within species, meaning you are your great great great great great grandmother.. HAHA... I have many others ...........:rastasmoke:

[Mr. Clandestine]

While I in fact do say people such as christians, mormons are ignorant for believing that their beliefs are true and non others are right. Its just simply ignorant.

No offense, but this makes you equally as ignorant for believing that people such as Christians and Mormons are wrong. I'm a Christian, and I believe what I do for my own reasons. Yet, I've never called an agnostic person ignorant for not following my religious viewpoints.

Expressing your viewpoints here is all well and good. Many people around here are perfectly capable of disagreeing with each others point of views, and keeping it civil. For you to call a religious person 'ignorant', just because you aren't religious, is asinine and hypocritical. Or..."just simply ignorant".

[Mr. Clandestine]

Anyways, Im sorry if I offended you, cause I dont mean any harm. Maybe ignorant wasnt the right word to use, Im just saying it doesnt make sense to me, however, I shouldnt have a right to say so, because no human will ever know (till death) wether a religion is right, or you just plain....die. I apologize.

I wasn't offended by your statement, and I fully recognize why you feel the way that you do. I became an agnostic at a young age, for several reasons, one of which was misinterpreted scriptures being taught as infallible by unscrupulous preachers and overzealous Christians. Still though, after twenty or so years of not knowing what to believe (and doing more than my fair share of research on similar theological topics), I still chose Christianity as my religion of choice. And it was a very informed choice, not indoctrination.

A lot of people confuse faith for abject ignorance, usually assuming that blind faith is the only reasoning behind the decision. This, while certainly sometimes true, isn't always the case. Yes, I do base a lot of my faith on things I've read in the Bible, but there's also a basis of tangible evidence, too. Unearthed scriptures & documents relevant to my beliefs, aside from the Bible, influence my decision. Even history plays a big part. I know the Bible contains some inaccuracies, and I'm not one of the Christians who'll shout loudly that there's no inconsistencies or fabrications contained within it. But, I've seen recorded documents from all over the world that validate many of the scriptures, which leads me to believe that at least some unknown portion of it must be based on factual evidence. So, again, my beliefs are based on education and research, as opposed to blind faith.

I wasn't trying to attack you. I just wanted to remind you that plenty of sane, logical people choose religion over indecision for their own, personal reasons. We have every right to form our own conclusions about religion, creation, death, and the afterlife as non-religious people. If a Christian ever attacks you for your lack of beliefs, or indecision, then I'd like to apologize in advance for their stupidity and passing of judgment. Our Lord makes it very clear that we're not the ones who should judge...and any Christian who does is clearly in violation of a very important teaching, amongst many others in all likelihood.

Take care, my friend. No harm intended by my earlier rebuttal.

[Stoney Toney]

That is assuming one still has a brain, or even a head, while they are dead. Given that, I don't see it as logical. But that DMT thing sounds cool, that whole "eternal last minute". then again, how eternal can something feel if your brain gets blown apart?
When i was 16 some i went to this guys house to go back him up with my friend. while waiting to see if anyone was comning they decided to play russian roulette and it never got past round 1. some reason he pulled the trigger twice hesitated lowered his hand and pulled a third time. the gun went off his eyes widened and his hand drop then he slowly fell forward and after what seemed like three seconds blood shot from his cheek and hit the wall.

If the a person is shot in the head they don't move at all. Thats why they have to take a headshot in a hostage situation. IF your shot in the heart you can still be alive for a little bit and while you bleed the head is deprived of oxygen from the blood so you go on a headtrip.

Look up Near death experiences with penn and teller i think i saw it on vidmax. NDE near death experience.

Change my life appreciate life now whether there be an afterlife or not just enjoy it day by day. and if someone finds the link of the penn and teller clip would they post it?:thumbsup:

sorry for the depressing post just hits a spot talking about death.

Keep on :bonghit:

[Trip06]

I dont wanna high jack the tread but this will help me explain where im coming from with my view.

I was brought up in a catholic home. When I was older I fell out of religion and questioned everything. Thats what makes us individuals when we figure stuff out for ourselves obvisously. Through psycadelics and weed I practicly erased away my ego by freeing my mind. (It was very rough for me and still is a little) When I would wonder bout all the questions science wont answer. Like does the universe really have an end and what would it be type stuff? I had to EXCEPT the fact that we will never know. THAT WE AS HUMANS ARE NOT THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE, what would make us so supeiour or speacial that we would be the highest? Evolution? No because evolution has no meaning, It can tell us whos more adaptable and keep us alive but It has no point. It has no emotions or love, Why dose it keep us alive? Why does evolution acur? Why would emotions like love just be gentic tricks to keep things alive? that there is something higher then us. I mean why would we be it? Bacteria, cells, atoms and molecules all the way up to us and then it just stops? nope there is something or things higher then us. Those questions we cant answer are what make up who we are as individuals or else we are just slaves to desregarding our own ignorance. For example, If you believe your mind just shuts off after death and your consiousness dies, than thats who you are as an individual. Thats apart of the person who you choose to be. Thats apart of your existance. Thats what makes up your soul as an individual. When you die Is that what you wanna be apart of because you made it apart of you. Its einstiens theory of relativity. If I believe in god and faith, (not to be all preachy) but thats what would make up me as an individual. If your with out faith your empty, so when you die your empty. Its like looking in a mirror. If you neglect your soul for earthly treasures you wont have nothing in the afterlife.

[Earthy Dank]

When i was 16 some i went to this guys house to go back him up with my friend. while waiting to see if anyone was comning they decided to play russian roulette and it never got past round 1. some reason he pulled the trigger twice hesitated lowered his hand and pulled a third time. the gun went off his eyes widened and his hand drop then he slowly fell forward and after what seemed like three seconds blood shot from his cheek and hit the wall.

If the a person is shot in the head they don't move at all. Thats why they have to take a headshot in a hostage situation. IF your shot in the heart you can still be alive for a little bit and while you bleed the head is deprived of oxygen from the blood so you go on a headtrip.

Look up Near death experiences with penn and teller i think i saw it on vidmax. NDE near death experience.

Change my life appreciate life now whether there be an afterlife or not just enjoy it day by day. and if someone finds the link of the penn and teller clip would they post it?:thumbsup:

sorry for the depressing post just hits a spot talking about death.

Keep on :bonghit:

I am tripping readint this right now... and this is fuckin crazy.... WTF

[NevelsHaze]

im catholic and go to a cth school but dont rlly believe it much and think that theres a chance it coulda all be nothin an thenwhen u die its just nothhing cus ur gone no consciousnss or anything which sucks cus u know ull never exist again, or if ur lucky u got heaven, and hopefully some form of ur self state

[palerider7777]

I guessed right then - cheers.

What you said was the product of your own delusion and brainwashing - good luck with that. Your comments were disrespectful and you haven't the first clue about that mans history - laughably you judged him anyway - what a great Christian attitude. People like you make me puke.

If you really want to go toe to toe about Evolution then be my guest - but prepare to get schooled.

You have plenty of weakness my friend and its all here in this thread - even your god can see that.

Keywords: Greenhouse, stones, throwing.

sorry i did'nt judge anyone thats just what u want to see in what i wrote so the delusion is all yours.and i can see u have a hate for anyone that is not brainwashed into thinking like u sorry thats on u

[palerider7777]

No offense, but this makes you equally as ignorant for believing that people such as Christians and Mormons are wrong. I'm a Christian, and I believe what I do for my own reasons. Yet, I've never called an agnostic person ignorant for not following my religious viewpoints.

Expressing your viewpoints here is all well and good. Many people around here are perfectly capable of disagreeing with each others point of views, and keeping it civil. For you to call a religious person 'ignorant', just because you aren't religious, is asinine and hypocritical. Or..."just simply ignorant".

thats just it they are the ones to judge right off the bat. if i would have said all of what i wrote above, and then at then end said btw i don't believe in god either, i would'nt have been attacked like i was for writing that but because i said i believe in god then well u see what was written.people seem to think that if u say ur a christian then ur just supposed to just float around on a cloud and if u say anything or have a view other than what they want to hear then ur evil lol.the bottom line is people don't want to believe they have to answer to anybody or be judged by anyone"god" they don't want to believe they will be judged for wasting there life away or not having morals or being lazy or anything that could be neg they don't want to have to answer for anything they done.

[AustinMan]

Can you wake up dead?

Lmao. Scary movie. Am I the only one who got that?

[BudGrower]

I just hope I don't wake up in a coffin. Nobody knows about an afterlife. It would be cool to go to heaven for eternity. It would be nice to BELIEVE you are going to heaven after death. What if the only difference between heaven for eternity and not, is simply BELIEVING it? So, what is the harm in believing it, just in case?

[zabije cie]

i too am raised catholic, and im not saying i don't believe in god, i do, but some of the things we as catholics are taught don't make any sense to me, and explaining it in a "gods" kinda way just seems to be a common cover up thing.

I also dont believe the whole evolution thing either. Sure things adapt to changing environments, but where is the evolution to us. monkeys and apes? no. Think about it, theres animals with minimal intelligence, then us, humans. its like we're just there, BOOM, outa no where. I know there is somthing "upper" above us kinda thing. What that is, i dont know.

But as many have posted here, live life to the fullest, and enjoy it, be happy, don't let people bring you down, and do what you always wanted to do and don't care what others will think of you or your appearance. it is hard to do, and i envy those people who can do this and not give a hoot about others, they've got balls and are doing what each and every one of us wants to do but doesnt dare to.

ooh and to bogoljub777, I'm interested by your dimension stuff, though when people become "ghosts" that is to say they were "good" and continued onto the next dimension, how do you explain evil "ghosts"?

[SMOKIN A WHILE]

When its over, your done. So you might as well do as much as you can while you have the chance!

[Aliigetshyphy]

thats just it they are the ones to judge right off the bat. if i would have said all of what i wrote above, and then at then end said btw i don't believe in god either, i would'nt have been attacked like i was for writing that but because i said i believe in god then well u see what was written.people seem to think that if u say ur a christian then ur just supposed to just float around on a cloud and if u say anything or have a view other than what they want to hear then ur evil lol.the bottom line is people don't want to believe they have to answer to anybody or be judged by anyone"god" they don't want to believe they will be judged for wasting there life away or not having morals or being lazy or anything that could be neg they don't want to have to answer for anything they done.


Excuse me but I believe you were the first one to "attack" anyone on this thread.

[palerider7777]

Excuse me but I believe you were the first one to "attack" anyone on this thread.

attack not, i said the truth sorry u see it as an attack i have'nt said u make me puke people like u make me sick nothin like that

[dj-ikon]

But it begs to ask the question. If it is nothing (like before you were born), then what is the point in it all??

Would there really be a point in having a life cycle where people/animals are born and die, what would be the reason behind it all?

To be honest i just like to force myself to believe there is something else when we die, otherwise pass me a noose, might aswell go now its gonna happen at some point...

[UrMomsGod]

I kinda think life just ends....

[homestar]

last year SWIM had some bad hallucinogens and thought he had died, he compared himself to a machine for awhile and felt that he was stuck for eternity only seeing the 2D image of the last thing he saw. That was quite maddening!

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

wow this thread is bigger than i thought. if this was already said, my bad...

but for the idea that death is the same as dreams, what happens when you start to rot?

[cjshamrock]

I really believe there's another 'dimension' out there. I've been out of my body once (it was kinda scary) and I've had acid trips when I could feel this hidden energy, I could see 'what it's like to be dead'.

I think we all have souls and that we reincarnate, in order to evolve and progress as a species. The important thing about the Bible is that we have Jesus' message (whether he existed or not) and that is to be kind and good to others no matter what. Smoking weed helped me understand that. We humans are too egoistical and self-centered.

Same with Buddha's teachings and other religions throughout the world. The message that 'Jesus' gave us is universal, and I believe were we to follow it the world would become a much more harmonious place.

Also, to zabije cie: I believe that 'evil' ghosts are simply souls that are still attached to their vices on earth - revenge, drugs, etc... and refuse to face the reality that they must evolve. They are in fact in a great deal of suffering, but instead of learning they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, becoming disillusioned with God and getting their kicks out of doing evil stuff just to piss people off.

Just my opinion.

[otottoto]

Heres my theory:

When you die, your brain sends out its last synapses to the thought and dreaming section of your brain, triggering what essentially is a dream. The contents of this dream depend entirely on what you personally believe happens when you die. If you believe in heaven, you go to heaven. If you believe in hell, you go to hell.... but only in this dream.

Now several studies have shown that time is represented much faster in regular dreams (in other words, you're only dream for 30 second intervals, but it feels like hours in the dream). Therefore it's reasonable to assume that this last dream could feel like it lasts forever, even if it only actually lasts the time it takes for your brain to stop sending signals.

Just a theory of course haha. I'm Jewish, so I believe in Heaven, but no hell. Guess it should be a pretty fun dream, tho i wouldn't mind postponing it a bit haha

[Mustelid]

I can't think of any more comforting thought as reincarnating as an animal.

[cjshamrock]

I would like to recommend a good movie related to this: The I Inside

[TokeIt69]

It's amazing that no one has mentioned any biblical references. Is the world just full of athiests these days? The bible says we will be judged for everything we have done and that very few will get to see heaven.

[palerider7777]

I can't think of any more comforting thought as reincarnating as an animal.

lmao why so u can be eaten lol

[palerider7777]

toke it69 maybe not the world, but on cannabis.com yes it's about 80% or more athiests. and if u even bring up the word bible ,god,jesus u are then deemed a dumb narrowminded fool, and they will start the lil name calling thing, and if u respond then u will get neg rep and they will tell on u and u will get infraction points against u, and depending on what u say back u might just get kicked. so just be careful what u say. as i to thought this would be a more peaceful site. but if u bring up anything that would make one accountable for his or her actions in life well thats just saying to much.

it's funny u see people write on here about when u die ur brain knows to release something in ur brain to make u feel at peace. something we have no control over mind u.it makes u wonder how these people think. not only do they believe that everything just happened, ie space,life,the earth,everything on the earth the human body all of these things happened all by themselfs, even down to ur brain knowing when to release this special chemical in ur brain to make u dream or feel at peace so u can die and be nothing.i repeat die and be nothing, so all this happens by chance but at one point this nothing that we came from was like hold on i don't want them to die and be in pain or die and know theres nothing else, so lets trick em and put this shit into there brain to release right b4 they die, and let them dream like there in a peaceful place but not really there just gonna be rotting. lmao do people realize how stupid that shit sounds..i guess not as most seem to believe in this dumb shit.and the thing is no matter how stupid this shit they come up with sounds and in no way true they will never admit to being wrong in anything never will they say opps my bad i know it was sum off the wall bs i came up with on a bad trip exp i had u will never hear that. they will defend it to the end.lil do they know most of the bs they learned in school and the ones that taught them in to thinking like a athiests in the first place is stuff thats mostly guessed on shit as they flip flop from 1 year to the next on half the shit they teach so go fig...

[zabije cie]

toke it69 maybe not the world, but on cannabis.com yes it's about 80% or more athiests. and if u even bring up the word bible ,god,jesus u are then deemed a dumb narrowminded fool, and they will start the lil name calling thing, and if u respond then u will get neg rep and they will tell on u and u will get infraction points against u, and depending on what u say back u might just get kicked. so just be careful what u say. as i to thought this would be a more peaceful site. but if u bring up anything that would make one accountable for his or her actions in life well thats just saying to much.

it's funny u see people write on here about when u die ur brain knows to release something in ur brain to make u feel at peace. something we have no control over mind u.it makes u wonder how these people think. not only do they believe that everything just happened, ie space,life,the earth,everything on the earth the human body all of these things happened all by themselfs, even down to ur brain knowing when to release this special chemical in ur brain to make u dream or feel at peace so u can die and be nothing.i repeat die and be nothing, so all this happens by chance but at one point this nothing that we came from was like hold on i don't want them to die and be in pain or die and know theres nothing else, so lets trick em and put this shit into there brain to release right b4 they die, and let them dream like there in a peaceful place but not really there just gonna be rotting. lmao do people realize how stupid that shit sounds..i guess not as most seem to believe in this dumb shit.and the thing is no matter how stupid this shit they come up with sounds and in no way true they will never admit to being wrong in anything never will they say opps my bad i know it was sum off the wall bs i came up with on a bad trip exp i had u will never hear that. they will defend it to the end.lil do they know most of the bs they learned in school and the ones that taught them in to thinking like a athiests in the first place is stuff thats mostly guessed on shit as they flip flop from 1 year to the next on half the shit they teach so go fig...

agreed. Though its your choice in what you believe in.

[TheDefiler]

you lose a level and your total hp and mp is reduced to 1/3 of it's original ammount...

U resurrect at the Spirit healer and u suffer from 10 minutes of rez sickness. Course all this could be avoided if u just run back to your corpse.....LOL!

[poseidon]

What happens when you die.. hmmm... well, if you keep your pants on and your zip along with most other pleasures 'closed' you'll get a room in the big 12 Star Hotel up there.. HAHA.. naa just kidding.

[poseidon]

honestly though, if you guys are that interested I felt a near death experience tripping on Ketamine once.. and DMT, Oh God, the apotheosis of the psychedelic experience.. But well, your choice.

[LIP]

honestly though, if you guys are that interested I felt a near death experience tripping on Ketamine once.. and DMT, Oh God, the apotheosis of the psychedelic experience.. But well, your choice.

I'd encourage you to read the rules before you get yourself banned :):) :rastasmoke:

[vej33]

toke it69 maybe not the world, but on cannabis.com yes it's about 80% or more athiests. and if u even bring up the word bible ,god,jesus u are then deemed a dumb narrowminded fool, and they will start the lil name calling thing, and if u respond then u will get neg rep and they will tell on u and u will get infraction points against u, and depending on what u say back u might just get kicked. so just be careful what u say. as i to thought this would be a more peaceful site. but if u bring up anything that would make one accountable for his or her actions in life well thats just saying to much.

it's funny u see people write on here about when u die ur brain knows to release something in ur brain to make u feel at peace. something we have no control over mind u.it makes u wonder how these people think. not only do they believe that everything just happened, ie space,life,the earth,everything on the earth the human body all of these things happened all by themselfs, even down to ur brain knowing when to release this special chemical in ur brain to make u dream or feel at peace so u can die and be nothing.i repeat die and be nothing, so all this happens by chance but at one point this nothing that we came from was like hold on i don't want them to die and be in pain or die and know theres nothing else, so lets trick em and put this shit into there brain to release right b4 they die, and let them dream like there in a peaceful place but not really there just gonna be rotting. lmao do people realize how stupid that shit sounds..i guess not as most seem to believe in this dumb shit.and the thing is no matter how stupid this shit they come up with sounds and in no way true they will never admit to being wrong in anything never will they say opps my bad i know it was sum off the wall bs i came up with on a bad trip exp i had u will never hear that. they will defend it to the end.lil do they know most of the bs they learned in school and the ones that taught them in to thinking like a athiests in the first place is stuff thats mostly guessed on shit as they flip flop from 1 year to the next on half the shit they teach so go fig...

I know I have never personally attacked anybody for believing in something. Perhaps the way they go about expressing your beliefs..

Right here in your post, you refer to anybody who doesn't agree with what you believe as "these people", and to be honest you do exactly what you acuse OTHERS of doing... calling beliefs that differ from yours "stupid shit".

I'm merely pointing this out, NOT based on your belief, but based on how you address your belief juxtaposed against anyone elses. You're blatantly saying that everyone else is wrong, a mean contradiction to your opening statement to how people respond to YOU as a believer.

Believe whatever you want, and please realize other people believe what they want too. It's unwise to go around calling people's ideas stupid if you don't want your ideas to be criticized as stupid.

[dedhedicus]

I dont think much changes when you die. We are a part of everything out there what we see and understand, what we dont. Look at all the the relationships we have to the universe as humans.

We need the air, we need the sun, we need food, we need water, we need each other. What we dont need directly is needed by those things we need - and on and on and on.

So if we are part of this great universe in need of all these things how is it we no longer need anything after we die?

So to me we carry on completing our role whether in a body or not.

[LIP]

I know I have never personally attacked anybody for believing in something. Perhaps the way they go about expressing your beliefs..

Right here in your post, you refer to anybody who doesn't agree with what you believe as "these people", and to be honest you do exactly what you acuse OTHERS of doing... calling beliefs that differ from yours "stupid shit".

I'm merely pointing this out, NOT based on your belief, but based on how you address your belief juxtaposed against anyone elses. You're blatantly saying that everyone else is wrong, a mean contradiction to your opening statement to how people respond to YOU as a believer.

Believe whatever you want, and please realize other people believe what they want too. It's unwise to go around calling people's ideas stupid if you don't want your ideas to be criticized as stupid.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[kcabsignik]

god doesnt exist so i think its just over. itd be nice if there was a heaven but i doubt it. bodies go back into the earth so i guess we all become one. L2D L2D L2D L2D coming soon.... but yea your donzo after you die so live it up while you hear blaze one for L2D

[hempnation]

The brain is like a machine, or a computer. When you die, it no longer functions, and you're done with. Not a bad thing, really.

Thats probably the truest shit ever, i think its cool that when you die, you become fertilizer for the earth. kinda like in HOW HIGH when Cilas grinds up Ivory into his soil then grows the plant, that would be fuckin sweet.

[vej33]

omg i just saw HOW HIGH for the first time the other day... i loved how the Ivory weed was just like, a small part of the movie, it wasn't ABOUT his friend coming back as a smokey ghost, it's just like that was INCLUDED.... like it isn't so outrageous to happen lol

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

I heard when you die..

You feel your whole self being blasted into the middle of the earth.. and once you're there, you start feeling the rotation of the earth and it is a feeling similar to shifting your muscles/veins/organs away from your skin. It's like if your skin decided to turn around on your body. Just like it just now felt like leaving you with empty skin holes in the back of your head and a pair of butt cheeks on your genitals. It also feels and smells the same as hot gravy slowly pouring onto freshly made mashed potatoes with a little extra parsley taste just for shits. Then while you feel the earth's rotation (feeling like your skin rotates on your muscles), you get to travel into multigalaxial portals that let you chill at the bars in different galaxies, dimensions, and positions. The bartenders is the fifth dimension with a cross of the 10th and 773rd, in the arachbatibule galaxy, are really generous with their interspatial mysterious intoxicating liquids. They apparently pull the switch and forget who and where and when they are.


Death is very complicated...

[geonagual]

Damn it is complicated..and here I thought I would just die and there would be nothing..

[Unknown American]

and the worms eat into your brain... Pink Floyd

[Delta9 UK]

I know I have never personally attacked anybody for believing in something. Perhaps the way they go about expressing your beliefs..

Right here in your post, you refer to anybody who doesn't agree with what you believe as "these people", and to be honest you do exactly what you acuse OTHERS of doing... calling beliefs that differ from yours "stupid shit".

I'm merely pointing this out, NOT based on your belief, but based on how you address your belief juxtaposed against anyone elses. You're blatantly saying that everyone else is wrong, a mean contradiction to your opening statement to how people respond to YOU as a believer.

Believe whatever you want, and please realize other people believe what they want too. It's unwise to go around calling people's ideas stupid if you don't want your ideas to be criticized as stupid.

Agree 100% ~ rep coming your way my friend.

I stayed away from this thread tbh as I obviously upset Palerider which wasn't my intention. I was just trying to show how him how his ideas were hurtful and not well considered. If he considers that an attack, well, he needs to take a good long look at what he wrote down for all to see.

If 80% of the peeps here are Atheist I would guess that 90% of statisitcs are made up on the spot ;)

[Squeaker24]

How do you know you haven t already died and this is the next step

[AlGeeEater]

not only do they believe that everything just happened, ie space,life,the earth,everything on the earth the human body all of these things happened all by themselfs, even down to ur brain knowing when to release this special chemical in ur brain to make u dream or feel at peace so u can die and be nothing.
Have you ever heard of the Big Bang Theory? Friedmann models? Scientific evidence that the universe has been expanding for billions of years? After the big bang, the first protons, neutrons and electrons were formed following nuclei's and atoms. These charged subatomic particles interacted with each other for millions of years, constantly combining with each other to form elements. First came hydrogen, then helium, then lithium, and so on and so forth. If you educate yourself a little bit about basic chemistry, you'll see that elements weren't all just put on earth by god, they were all formed by particles colliding with each other and reacting. Search Google for valence electrons...

I don't know, it makes a lot more sense than saying a god created everything, which is basically like saying 'everything just happened, space, life, the earth...'

BTW, i'm not against religion, your god or any other of the crap. All i'm saying here is get educated before you go about preaching ideas you don't grasp. Instead of wasting your time here trolling, pick up a science book and decide for yourself! There's a ton of evidence of evolution (not humans from apes, but also in the creation of our universe. evolution is a fact and has been happening for 13 billion years) yet little evidence to support any higher beings.

Chris

[palerider7777]

Have you ever heard of the Big Bang Theory? Friedmann models? Scientific evidence that the universe has been expanding for billions of years? After the big bang, the first protons, neutrons and electrons were formed following nuclei's and atoms. These charged subatomic particles interacted with each other for millions of years, constantly combining with each other to form elements. First came hydrogen, then helium, then lithium, and so on and so forth. If you educate yourself a little bit about basic chemistry, you'll see that elements weren't all just put on earth by god, they were all formed by particles colliding with each other and reacting. Search Google for valence electrons...

I don't know, it makes a lot more sense than saying a god created everything, which is basically like saying 'everything just happened, space, life, the earth...'

BTW, i'm not against religion, your god or any other of the crap. All i'm saying here is get educated before you go about preaching ideas you don't grasp. Instead of wasting your time here trolling, pick up a science book and decide for yourself! There's a ton of evidence of evolution (not humans from apes, but also in the creation of our universe. evolution is a fact and has been happening for 13 billion years) yet little evidence to support any higher beings.

Chris

u mean the same Scientists that has flip flopped on just about everything they've come up with, the same ones that say 1 day pluto is a planet and the next day it's not.1 half believe in global warming and the others half does'nt yea i know the guys ur talking about there a good bunch of people to bad they really don't know anymore than u or i.or atleast u as we all know i believe in god so im the dumbest one in here according to people like u so come on throw sum more smart ass remarks my way.

lol as if im stupid and can't understand what ur really trying to say but can't cause this site is soft, and u can't have an adult debate without someone crying and telling the "teacher" that wants to hang on every word u say and pick it apart... i know what u want to say it's cool i got the drift ...hey i wonder if they could make a button u could click that could report someone for just thinking of saying what they really want to say, they could call it the" i wish i was in an adult forum so i could talk freely button"aka free speach button

[MadSativa]

wow lotta pages here ..... I have to point out after every one eles has died they usualy become worm food, damn rolli poleies

[LIP]

u mean the same Scientists that has flip flopped on just about everything they've come up with, the same ones that say 1 day pluto is a planet and the next day it's not.1 half believe in global warming and the others half does'nt yea i know the guys ur talking about there a good bunch of people to bad they really don't know anymore than u or i.or atleast u as we all know i believe in god so im the dumbest one in here according to people like u so come on throw sum more smart ass remarks my way.

lol as if im stupid and can't understand what ur really trying to say but can't cause this site is soft, and u can't have an adult debate without someone crying and telling the "teacher" that wants to hang on every word u say and pick it apart... i know what u want to say it's cool i got the drift ...hey i wonder if they could make a button u could click that could report someone for just thinking of saying what they really want to say, they could call it the" i wish i was in an adult forum so i could talk freely button"aka free speach button

If you dont like it here- piss off. To be honest i dont think theres many people who want you to stay anyway. Most people just wont tell you. Well i am. :S4:

[AlGeeEater]

u mean the same Scientists that has flip flopped on just about everything they've come up with, the same ones that say 1 day pluto is a planet and the next day it's not.1 half believe in global warming and the others half does'nt yea i know the guys ur talking about there a good bunch of people to bad they really don't know anymore than u or i.or atleast u as we all know i believe in god so im the dumbest one in here according to people like u so come on throw sum more smart ass remarks my way.

lol as if im stupid and can't understand what ur really trying to say but can't cause this site is soft, and u can't have an adult debate without someone crying and telling the "teacher" that wants to hang on every word u say and pick it apart... i know what u want to say it's cool i got the drift ...hey i wonder if they could make a button u could click that could report someone for just thinking of saying what they really want to say, they could call it the" i wish i was in an adult forum so i could talk freely button"aka free speach button
Well, when you come here and call people out and then try to push your values onto people what do you expect to happen? Nobody hates you because you believe in god, it's just a bit hypocritical to say don't criticize me because of 'free speach' and all this crap, when your posts are full of criticism! Tool.

Don't they teach you how to not be a moron in the Bible? (that's just a joke btw, don't get all hung up on it I read the Bible everyday)

What are you like 11 anyways? I have the hardest time reading through the mess of poor grammar you post.

[Mustelid]

lmao why so u can be eaten lol
I think being eaten would be a much better end then slowly in a hospital.

[Dr Frylock]

That brings up an interesting point. Do you think that people can dream when they're dead, but just never wake up? Sounds very unlikely considering that the brain does absolutely nothing when you're dead, but it's interesting.stuff like this is what causes people to lose sleep. i used to think about what it was like before the universe was here. and if there is an end to the universe or is there another planet like earth. those were the worst days of my life. you cant win an argument over that no one can

[Chong Version 2.0]

Everybody moves into Goatse's asshole. He is very accommodating.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

When you die I think you meet "GOD" on another 3-D plane, he tells you what you did wrong and how much time you have to serve as a ghost or in hell so that you soul is purified and then when the earth blows up he comes back for all the souls that he wants and everyone reunites on a new plant that is paradise.... That's what I think....
I used to think to die was fall into a deep sleep that you never awake but I've seen way too many ghost( even when I was sober before I started smoking) so I figure they are all waiting for something or someone for if the earth is destroyed where do all the ghost go...floating in space?
The should go from where they started from:hippy:

[JerzeeAmbeez]

But I think you have to know that Everyone and Everything came from somewhere(God, or who ever), Everything that is made on this plant is made from Carbon just look at what us humans have created,Everything around from your house to your computer (EVERYTHING) was put here for us to use its just how we have been using what we have been given:hippy: but you must believe in something or you stand for nothing...

[Subjekt]

Hopefully a better place and far as the "Does God Exist" issue, I'll just say I believe in a higher power, don't know his/her "real" name but i know theres a power out there that controls all.

Peace

[whswakboardz71]

life has jsut evolved to a point of where were at now. conditions here on earth are quite right for us to be here. natural or supernatural? we may never know. so jsut live life belive wut u want, its your choice.

and smoke weed

[Bongoman]

When you die everything fades to black, then after a few seconds, the words "LEVEL 2" appear in big glowing red letters.

[Esaron]

Man this topic is so widely debated and has been for so long only because we can't possibly know. It's still fun to talk about tho. well... I don't believe in nothing, because of a few cool proofs (not proof, mind you, but proofs, as in set up in the mathematical way) that were originally thought up by St. Augustine in his Suma Theologica.

Uncaused Cause:

-Because of the Law of Cause and Effect, every effect has a cause.
-We can follow this cause/effect chain as far back as we want.
-Why can't this chain go back forever?
-If that were true, there would have been an infinite amount of time before the point in time where we are right now.
-This is not possible because if it were true, we could never have arrived at this point, because of the nature of time.
-So there must be SOMETHING that doesn't have a cause, something supernatural, able to work outside the realm of scientific law.


Conservation of Matter/Energy
(this one is kinda flimsy with new advances in science and particle theory, but its still my favorite)

-According to the laws of conservation of matter and energy, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed
-There is matter and energy all around us.
-Therefore, this matter/energy must have either been introduced by something able to work outside of this law, or it was always here.
-It cannot have always been here, because of the same infinity reasons as before.
-So it must have been placed here by something.


Complexity

I don't remember this one too well, but the gist is that everything is super complex and shows signs of intelligence, as opposed to random assembly. Even with natural selection and evolution (which I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe in) it is mindboggling to imagine going from primal energy and genetic material to bacteria... and then from there the mutations to take that bacteria to animals and other lifeforms... well those mutations would be so damn random and incredibly extreme.

Anyway... I consider myself Catholic... so i believe in all the big stuff, but im pretty hypocritical if you ask me... I'm not a very good christian, but I dont really give a damn. in fact one of the main reasons I am is because it seems to be the best option of all the religions out there... and im not atheist or agnostic because of this:

Belief

When faced with this very question (does something happen when we die) this is a logical way to look at your options and their outcomes. It really simplifies the whole thing, but its still got a point :)

You have four things that could happen when you die.

1. There is nothing out there and you think there is something
Outcome: Well, it doesn't really matter... there's nothing, so you won't really care

2. There is nothing out there and you think there is nothing
Outcome: Also... doesn't matter for the same reasons

3. There is something out there and you think there is nothing
Outcome: Well youre kinda screwed according to religion (as long as you knew the religion option was there, but in this day and age... well you do)

4. There is something and you believe there is something
Outcome: YAY eternal happiness...

It's not foolproof... I mean look at how you can live your life if you aren't focused on religion...

Well, thats about the extent of stuff off the top of my head (blame catholic school)

I can't be too religious tho, i smoke, and thats a sin apparently hehe

[_tyrant]

you become fertlizer simple as that.

the world that existed becomes nothing.

and our offspring walk the face of this earth and so on....

[yhelothar]

There was a spirituality movement back in the 1800s sometime, I think, that talked about additional dimensions that are sometime hypothesized in scientific theories as the 'space' where heave and hell is located.

Imagine there was a two dimensional being inside of a square. Inside this square, the being is surrounded by four walls and it sees nowhere to go since up and down don't exist in two dimensions. Now, we live in three dimensions and could simply pick it up and place it outside of the square. To the being inside, it would seem as though 'God' came and saved him from the unbreakable square through the wall since he can't perceive up or down.

Now apply that to us. Perhaps, God lives on another dimension that we can't perceive as there. No matter what we do, we can't really go a direction which doesn't seem to exist to us without help.

Either way, physics and spirituality are fascinating as hell, and even more so after a bowl or two.

[yhelothar]

4. There is something and you believe there is something
Outcome: YAY eternal happiness...

It's not foolproof... I mean look at how you can live your life if you aren't focused on religion...

Well, thats about the extent of stuff off the top of my head (blame catholic school)

I can't be too religious tho, i smoke, and thats a sin apparently hehe

Exactly. I wish I could find it in myself to believe in something but I just have trouble imagining anything so big as God because of this simple logic: If God created the universe, who created God? It just means I just can't really pray to God and feel like someone gives a damn about my lame problems.

Oh, I have to say by the way. I hate the right wing Christians who make it their life goal to keep marijuana illegal, crush religious freedom, and make a constitutional amendment discriminating against homosexuals. I don't care if you stand up for your beliefs, but state sponsored discrimination ended a long time ago and really doesn't need to be brought back. I'm pretty sure God didn't say in the Bible, "God hates fags, marijuana is the devil's drug, and stem-cell is brought to you by Satan," but maybe I didn't read as hard as these Christians must have.

Anyway, regardless what you believe, everyone deserves some basic form of equality. Damn, like those assholes that picket gay soldiers funerals. What the hell is that?

By the way, this isn't directed at you lol. I just felt like ranting.

[xmordeciax]

When you die your brain releases a chemical DMT, its highly potent hallucinogen. Suposedly this chemical also causes extreme dilation so the last few seconds of your live feel like an eternity. Scientists also believe this chemical is what causes dreams. Dont take my word for it though. Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine)

ohh lovely DMT

hers a link of Joe ROgan discussing DMT on the Radio.
YouTube - Joe Rogan talks about DMT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8)

[Esaron]

I just have trouble imagining anything so big as God because of this simple logic: If God created the universe, who created God? It just means I just can't really pray to God and feel like someone gives a damn about my lame problems.

I hear ya. But thats why Hes God, He didn't have a creator. thats the whole basis of the uncaused cause argument.

Oh, I have to say by the way. I hate the right wing Christians who make it their life goal to keep marijuana illegal, crush religious freedom, and make a constitutional amendment discriminating against homosexuals. I don't care if you stand up for your beliefs, but state sponsored discrimination ended a long time ago and really doesn't need to be brought back. I'm pretty sure God didn't say in the Bible, "God hates fags, marijuana is the devil's drug, and stem-cell is brought to you by Satan," but maybe I didn't read as hard as these Christians must have.

Its cool, I don't take offense. I feel the same way you do. I believe in this religion which is supposed to be accepting and loving of all people... its too bad that most christians are so hypocritical themselves, and so hypercritical of everyone else.

Wonderful thing tho... stem cell research just made a huge breakthrough a couple weeks ago... apparently now (as discovered in the US and Japan independent of one another) viruses can be injected into skin cells. this is important because these viruses can change the codons in the dna and can actually revert a skin cell to a stem cell... that means no more fetuses necessary, so the religious complications are finally moot and we can start helping people who have organ troubles and maybe we might be able to cure diseases we previously thought we couldnt (like removing ALLLLL cancerous tissue even if its necessary, because we can just replace that tissue, be it organ or any other kind.)

I think its sad that most christians are misguided bigots, but the only thing I can do is stay informed and educated and try to do my best to live my life the way I think is best.

[Esaron]

Holy crap... That Joe Rogan rant on DMT was ridiculous

[LIP]

I hear ya. But thats why Hes God, He didn't have a creator. thats the whole basis of the uncaused cause argument.


Its cool, I don't take offense. I feel the same way you do. I believe in this religion which is supposed to be accepting and loving of all people... its too bad that most christians are so hypocritical themselves, and so hypercritical of everyone else.

Wonderful thing tho... stem cell research just made a huge breakthrough a couple weeks ago... apparently now (as discovered in the US and Japan independent of one another) viruses can be injected into skin cells. this is important because these viruses can change the codons in the dna and can actually revert a skin cell to a stem cell... that means no more fetuses necessary, so the religious complications are finally moot and we can start helping people who have organ troubles and maybe we might be able to cure diseases we previously thought we couldnt (like removing ALLLLL cancerous tissue even if its necessary, because we can just replace that tissue, be it organ or any other kind.)

I think its sad that most christians are misguided bigots, but the only thing I can do is stay informed and educated and try to do my best to live my life the way I think is best.


Thats without mentioning the reduction of complications because the body wouldnt reject transplants [it wont reject it's own tissue]

Pretty amazing stuff really, but it'll be many more moons before we see it happening and making a differnce.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

Well... What about ghost and spirits?... I have many ghost in my house, my old grandma(89 yrs) collects dead family stuff when they die right now there is about 9 or 10 different dead people stuff in the house, and at night they come out and walk around
"Sometimes" you see and hear them, most of the time you don't but you know that they are there.... I don't want to be a ghost although walking around scaring the living seems to look like fun

[LIP]

Well... What about ghost and spirits?... I have many ghost in my house, my old grandma(89 yrs) collects dead family stuff when they die right now there is about 9 or 10 different dead people stuff in the house, and at night they come out and walk around
"Sometimes" you see and hear them, most of the time you don't but you know that they are there.... I don't want to be a ghost although walking around scaring the living seems to look like fun

........................:wtf:

any proof? Or is it all in your head?

[Pie_man]

Well... What about ghost and spirits?... I have many ghost in my house, my old grandma(89 yrs) collects dead family stuff when they die right now there is about 9 or 10 different dead people stuff in the house, and at night they come out and walk around
"Sometimes" you see and hear them, most of the time you don't but you know that they are there.... I don't want to be a ghost although walking around scaring the living seems to look like fun

...

...

:wtf:

[dejayou30]

Your family and friends and those who held you dear will mourn, but other than that, nothing.

[worm]

Joe Rogan is a fascinating man.

[DannyLL]

You are at total peace.

That's about it, other than you take no physical form.

[angry nomad]

Can you wake up dead?


One time this guy I worked with in the Coast Guard got so pissed off at me he said, "I'm going to kill you in your sleep, and you gonna wake up dead!"

[angry nomad]

But on the spirituality thing, you gotta seek that out for yourself, bud.

People telling you all their random beliefs is not going to help you find the truth. If you subscribe to a particular belief that you did not come to follow based on your own journey, your spirituality will be vicarious and hollow. If you find truth on your own, you will feel no doubt, nor will you feel threatened by another's belief.

[RobPA]

it seems there has been alot of death around me lately and it got me wondering, what happens

is there heaven, or hell

do you know that you are dead or are you just gone forever

are you conscious? do you just rot away and thats the end of all the experiences you will ever have, or is there something else?

i wish i knew man but i thought i would just post this and get some of your thoughts

me personally i have no idea, but i refuse to believe we just die and thats it i think something happens but im not sure what
hey, i know you posted this a while ago, but I was checking out the site and thought I would share my beliefs with you. After several studies and researching the bible this is what I believe the bible tells us about death. We go to sleep when we die and wake up when the Lord returns to take us home. If you are interested in more information on this please feel to e mail me.

[RASTA ZAK]

you turn into a cannabis pland... get grown.. picked...smoked and then get to controll someones mind for 2-3 hours. and the cycle gos on.. :thumbsup:

[SallyBlaze]

reincarnation?

[Mustelid]

Whoah, I've never thought about plant reincarnation / transmigration.

I'd much prefer animal.

[LIP]

I've always wanted to be re-incarnated into a turnip. Second choice, a carrot. I dont know why, but damn, that's my future!

[burnable]

This is a lengthy thread, so i don't know if my commentary will be unique or not.

Maximum comprehension of science and of the cosmos greatly diminishes apprehension about mortality. When you see the earth as insignificant as a grain of sand on an anthill, a human life seems unfathomably irrelevant.

Of course, even a scientifically-rooted mind is not impervious to the spectrum of emotion native to human existence. We have a mental advantage over animals, but often a seemingly disadvantageous emotional status. The complexities of human emotion can be crippling; it seems like it would be easier if we were more inclined to follow no more than our fight-or-flight instincts.

I for one have no expectations when I die. If I retain any form of consciousness after death, it would be a pleasant surprise. If I had nothing more than the memories I made during mortality, I would have a blissful eternity.

I've vaguely felt that all human consciousness is homogeneous, viz. that at one point all our thoughts and emotions and consciousness was one defined entity, and will at some point be restored to one great whole. Perhaps heightened consciousness is similar to raw matter; eons ago it was a condensed whole, gets dispersed during a prolonged temporal existence, and is ultimately re-condensed to a perfect, refined form.

It reminds me of the literal state of Israel. It was once a centralized group, then was scattered in a diaspora, and according to divinely revealed promises, will be gathered together whole, in a more excellent state because of refinement, persecution, and individual strength (no I don't mean when the U.N. tried to make a nation of Israel after WW2, I mean when the messiah restores them). K i could go off all day. I'm not actively religious, but i believe in much of what religion is based upon

[bobhasbitchtits]

Yo, the whole idea of this question is impossible for man to answer. Our brains are wired to comprehend a beginning and an end, but there is the possibility that existence begins, but doesn't end, and there is just the same possibility that it begins and ends. We can't comprehend it either way. Try to imagine living for eternity, then try to imagine non-being. The thought of both are impossible. So whatever ends up happening to us is ultimately a paradox of existence. Since we have defined things such as existence, we expect there to be opposites and such, but really we have created all of these concepts to justify actually being. It's really incredibly paradoxical.

[dylan]

Well my little brother knows....he killed himself on the 10th of this month.

I am so sad.....this will be a hard Christmas

I would like to believe in an afterlife, but I really don't know, and after finding his cold stiff body I am haveing trouble keeping my faith.

[bogoljub777]

dylan-

are you being serious? if so, im sorry this has happened.

if you are being serious.... i have good news. you can find your brother. look in your mind first.

you should be able to see him if he made it.

lets all recall the anna nicole situation. when her son died, i could see him in my mind.

the point is.... you want to make it to the mind area. i suppose your brother can be found there just like any other individual, and i assume he is blue.

look in your mind. call to him. manifest things in your heart which would be familiar to both him and you.

youll find him.

may i ask..... was he serving in the military? this is common problem, suicide i mean, with military people.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

........................:wtf:

any proof? Or is it all in your head?

Seriously, I have no reason to lie, my friends see stuff all the time, I got a little video but it's not worth playing( but its easy to disapprove) I try not to go looking for them any more once the door locked by itself when I was watching it(sober) and when my ruler jumped off my desk (smoked a blunt).... But they seem pretty alive to me I bet many people here have seen ghost,spirits and everything else that goes bump in the night... but most of us try not to pay attention to or make up lame excuses to things on other planes walking around us

[Oil_Man]

i havent read any other posts here but heres my thoughts...

well its all a cycle of life, we die, rot into the ground, grouw grass, or other plants, so our energy is in the grass.. then a deer comes, a bit of our energy is in the deer, theeen, a human comes caps the deer, eats the deer, and a bit of your energy is in the human then,... thats how the wonderfull cycle works... i heard somewhere that right before u die u see ur life flash between ur eyes, but it feels like a shit load of years..

[dylan]

dylan-

are you being serious? if so, im sorry this has happened.

if you are being serious.... i have good news. you can find your brother. look in your mind first.

you should be able to see him if he made it.

lets all recall the anna nicole situation. when her son died, i could see him in my mind.

the point is.... you want to make it to the mind area. i suppose your brother can be found there just like any other individual, and i assume he is blue.

look in your mind. call to him. manifest things in your heart which would be familiar to both him and you.

youll find him.

may i ask..... was he serving in the military? this is common problem, suicide i mean, with military people.


Yes, I am serious, and thank you for your sympothy(sp).

[Stoney Toney]

I hope it works

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[kms brown]

We all know that when you take a either dmt or salvia you can trip hard enough to live the entire life of another individual. So what if when you die you just wake up from another trip.

[fikusroot]

when you die, a thousand horny teenage virgins are waiting for you in heaven as well as $1,000 in cash and a sony PSP. That is provided you have spent your life glorifing the Gods of capitalism and consumerism. So, 5 times a day, you must get in your toyota camry and pay homage to the Gods Wal-Mart, J.C. Penny's, Kroger or Vehix.com.

[nightlight]

you lose awareness

[four_two_zero]

Man can you guys think, maybe your in your after life right now, maybe YOU could have been someone famous back then that have passed, there is no way of knowing, but maybe you have already lived another life, and cant remember anything about it, since you were reincarnated into a new human being

[pereubu]

I imagin it is a bit like before you were born- you were dead then, yes? Just dispersed particals and energy... floating here or there in the breeze or further down the food chain?

[StefanD]

The Human Brain and Body may be an organic machine, but little is known about what exactly the Mind is and hardly anything is known about Consciousness( your direct state of awareness) or what exactly it is, humans do however know of a few practices and techniques that can be used to show some of the potential of the mind, these practices are Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection and they show that Consciousness is very 'flexible' and could in fact exist without the body, near death experiences and experiences with substances such as DMT also suggest this...so suggesting things such as when life on this planet 'dies' theres nothing is just as ignorant and extreme as thinking life will suffer for all eternity if they do not follow the certain rules of a specific documentation... the fact is no one really knows, we only know what we can observe and analyze what nature has provided us with and considering we know absolutely nothing about the grand scheme of what this universe or universes hold it would be very primitive and moronic to come to a conclusion about what happens after we 'die' on this planet, maybe we should strive to be more curious on this matter and start considering what exactly Consciousness is.

[BizzleLuvin]

you decompose and go back to nature from whence you came. thats what I hope

[Mr. Purple]

I hear you crap your pants when you die.

[Mustelid]

Death is a question of the nature of linear time. How important is before-birth, compared to after-death.

Had a past life, how-about one before that... and how far do they go. The heaven concept allays these concerns since it's cut and dried. Oblivion to existence to Heaven.

There was a great Zen story I read once that went something like this.

A Zen Master is asked by his student, "Zen Master, what happens when we die?" The Zen Master replies, "I have no idea."

Surprised, the student asks, "But aren't you a Zen Master." To which the Master replies, "Yes, I am a Zen Master, but I'm not a dead Zen Master."


Still, I swear I do have past life memories of living as a small furry animal.

[beachguy in thongs]

I've heard that we take on another form for another place in the universe.

[pereubu]

Lots of ramblin here- you guys high or something?

[beachguy in thongs]

Lots of ramblin here- you guys high or something?

I live at (about) sea level. I don't know about the rest of them.

[onequickmove]

i have NO idea, but not knowing really bothers me; oh well

[Nailhead]

I imagin it is a bit like before you were born- you were dead then, yes? Just dispersed particals and energy... floating here or there in the breeze or further down the food chain?

I basically posted the same thing somewhere in this thread, I thought I was the only one that thought of death as the same was as what life was like before I was born. This idea seems like the most logical. I mean to me the whole question of "what happens after you die" is based on the humans inability to comprehend an end to time. It is also a scary thought, that this life we have now is all there really is to life as we know it, so naturally we use our powerful brain to create fantasy ideas and worlds to make us feel more comfortable with death. But unfortunately I'm too much of a realist to believe in such nonsense. I wish I could believe in some rosy dream such as heaven, or even hell, but time has shown throughout history that religion is mostly just a comfort pillow for the mind in regards to death rather than a logical answer to an unanswerable question.

[bobhasbitchtits]

Wow, Jub, I don't even know what to make of that last sentence. But, I think the afterlife is possible, just some kind of state of all knowing and being with infinite boundaries. Hard to visualize, but I guess that's kind of the point; we're not meant to understand it until that day comes, and then that day will turn into an inconceivably long duration in which time ultimately stands still and ultimately has no meaning. No bodily boundaries and no psychological boundaries, any reality can be achieved, that is: a reality which one believes is ideal, thus the possibility of an infinite array of realities occurs, allowing one to pass the time of an infinite duration. Crazy.

[Publicgunmen]

When you die, thats it... Your over. Religion will not save you.

However: The gene pool only has so many combinations, which means in time... There will be an exact replica of you... A clone basically.

[maik]

When you die, thats it... Your over. Religion will not save you.

However: The gene pool only has so many combinations, which means in time... There will be an exact replica of you... A clone basically.

Wen you realize that mutation, deletion, and all kinds of nonsense involving virusii and it's all going on in everyone, everywhere, at the same time makes another exact of you more unlikely than winning SEVERAL state lotteries for the maximum prize on one weekend more likely.

[pereubu]

You think.. therefore you THINK you are

[Jouryokujin]

You think.. therefore you THINK you are

Rene Descartes.....Did you know he was very religious? I was surprised when I found that out, considering he was the one that originally said "I think therefore I am."

Rick Strassman believes when you die, N,N-DMT naturally created by your pineal gland flows down your spine where it interacts with emotion receptors (this reaction relies on diffusion, negating the need for a heartbeat). I believe this as well, but it doesn't explain a true afterlife. It only explains what you'd feel for a few hrs/days/weeks after you die.

[ReUp]

When you die, thats it... Your over. Religion will not save you.

I'm not picking on you Publicgunmen but I can't stand this sort of thing. I am completely anti-organized religion but not even a little anti religion. I don't believe but have absolutely no problem with someone having faith. If it makes their life better what more can you ask for. It doesn't seem logical to you or I but we are different. Organized religion has done some atrocious things but it's not the individual who believes in Jesus Christ and goes to Church every week's fault.

People who have such hatred for religion remind me of that picture of the Christians with the 'I HATE FAGS" sign. I'm all for debate on the church and its effects on people but don't act like you are better than every Christian. Don't be arrogant. Be respectful of other people. That's what it's all about :).

With that being said, I lean heavily towards the Men in Black universe in a collar theory' and will just change into some other form of matter when I die. But I really hope I get reincarnated as some badass Space Ninja named Smooth Criminal that can dance like Michael Jackson.

[Godzilla123]

I personally think that after death we disappear.. no soul and stuff like that.

Its the same as asking what happens to a bud after we smoke it :-)

[pereubu]

Descartes said "I think therefore I am."

I said "I think therefore I think I am"

Big difference!

[Godzilla123]

Wen you realize that mutation, deletion, and all kinds of nonsense involving virusii and it's all going on in everyone, everywhere, at the same time makes another exact of you more unlikely than winning SEVERAL state lotteries for the maximum prize on one weekend more likely.


When you die, thats it... Your over. Religion will not save you.

However: The gene pool only has so many combinations, which means in time... There will be an exact replica of you... A clone basically.

I think there are two points to be noted:
1) Our body is changing adapting every instant, so its hard to define an "exact replica" if we consider environmental effects.
2) The probability of an exact replica (in the sense that the two are indistinguishable using any known tests) seems extremely unlikely based on our current knowledge. I don't know the exact figures, but I'm betting that the expected waiting time for this event to occur would have to wait more than the age of the universe.

Even identical twins who have the same dna differ in their fingerprints. Do identical twins have identical DNA? (http://ask.yahoo.com/20010213.html)

[Grade A]

There have been a lot of interesting views on this topic and the thread was quite a lengthy, but good, read as it gave a lot of different perspectives. Personally, Iâ??m becoming more agnostic with age. I was brought up catholic and went to church every Sunday as a child. As I aged (evolved in my own personal sphere), I began to readâ?¦ My own personal opinion on religion, it was a political ploy from ancient priests in the medieval times. In most cases, the priests were some of the wealthiest people in the realms and tried to control the government (the Royalty of the time) with their beliefs and preachingâ??s. Religion also aimed to make people conform to a â??social contractâ?� as they wanted to rid the land of wrongdoings (which was a good concept). By creating religion they hoped to get people to fear something or someone higher than a mere mortalâ?¦

First, I have a few questions for the religiousâ?¦

Is religion more than a mere myth to get society to adhere to world peace? And live life the so-called â??riteâ?� way?

If religion is so sacred why are priests molesting childrenâ?¦ is that GODâ??s work? If so, what kind of a GOD brings that upon is people? Some religions claim GOD is mean others suggested GOD is kind. There are too many contradictions.

How can one being create all other beings? All beings need food to surviveâ?¦ if â??itâ?� was here before all else, how did â??itâ?� survive? If Adam and Eve was true, that makes the taboo of incest okay (by no means do I condone this).

If religion is true? Which is the right? Why are there so many different versions? Why are people being killed and sacrificed? Were the Aztecsâ?? and Mayansâ?? versions of human sacrifice justified? Religion is adapted and adopted by cultures and societies as a means of getting itâ??s peoples to remain cohesive.

Do you believe you control your own destiny or is someone else controlling it for you?

My religion is a personal inner-peace and a personal strive to be the best I canâ?¦ I donâ??t need to worship an immaterial figure for my own personal character development rather it comes from personal experiences and the morals and values passed on from my family and environment.

If religion helps you live a better life, more power to you and keep worshiping.

I believe mother nature is the highest being of all and even she is not a real being or godâ?¦ just the molecules and chemical reaction-processes of the natural world we know. It was here millions/billions of years before us and will be here long after the human race is gone. Religion in my personal opinion is a ersatz. The reason we donâ??t have written records or concrete facts of our beginnings is because of evolution. When humans first began to stand upright they could not think logically and rationally, rather they were just another animal living purely off instinct. All animals (which humans really are.. Just another animal) came from amoebas. Fortunately for our sake, we were able to evolve into the rationale (well some of us are rational) beings of today.

I also believe that our world fades to black or just ceases once we die. Although this can make the our entire existences seem bleak, it is the most logical and reasonable theory; Iâ??m definitely a realist as seeing is believing. As others said, we (and our so-called souls) are merely the products of our brains and without them how can we have feeling and a consciousness of where we are and what we are doing? Itâ??s just not possible. When you die your blood vessels constrict and as the flow of blood to the heart and eventually the brain ceases, and in turn, shuts the brain down. Once our heart and brain are no longer a functioning we are simply broken down into a less complex from and returned to the Earthâ?¦ which is where each and every one of use came from.

Everything we know and believe is purely a hypothesized theory. None of which can be proved. The only thing we do know is that we donâ??t know everythingâ?¦
Regardless, we cannot go around condemning others for their different beliefs (no matter how uneducated they are) unless they are trying to push them onto others.


The Discourse on Method by Rene Descartes is a great read...

Here's a great line that I'll always remember, besides, "I think therefore I am"... I do not know the exact quote so I'll paraphrase. It goes something like this; I was assailed by so many doubts and errors that upon my trying to become educated I progressively discovered my own ignorance.

There's some very powerful statements in that document.

[StefanD]

whether you believe life after 'death' or not doesnt change the fact that your conscious energy has to go somewhere, it doesnt just 'disappear'...and considering humans dont know what conscious energy is exactly doesnt help, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist, you have awareness dont you?, something you didnt have before you were born bein as your consciousness didnt exist before you were born, until of course it was created through lifes reproductive process

[Rabbit Lion]

That brings up an interesting point. Do you think that people can dream when they're dead, but just never wake up? Sounds very unlikely considering that the brain does absolutely nothing when you're dead, but it's interesting.

actually, even after you die electrical pulses still go throughout your brain, in a process called "synaptic transmission" which processes thought information through the brain, so you could actually be dreaming for eternity, or reliving moments of your life in your thoughts over and over forever...

[Nathan604]

i just hope i can smoke when im gone:jointsmile:

[Coelho]

it seems there has been alot of death around me lately and it got me wondering, what happens

is there heaven, or hell

do you know that you are dead or are you just gone forever

are you conscious? do you just rot away and thats the end of all the experiences you will ever have, or is there something else?

i wish i knew man but i thought i would just post this and get some of your thoughts

I wish some disciple had asked it to Jesus... as He actually have been there and come back... surely He would know how it is.

[tripipx]

You will always wake up.




"a soul is a soul, a shell is a shell. The space in between is full of everything you've felt."

[Coelho]

We could also ask her...

http://boards.cannabis.com/current-events/153406-woman-back-dead.html

[Darth Vapor]

When you die, one of two things will happen:

1) There is an afterlife, and you'll experience it.
2) There isn't an afterlife, in which case your mind will cease to exist, making your question moot.

Death is a chip we're all going to cash in. Try not to worry about the afterlife, (if there even is one), and focus more on this moment, because that's all you really have some say-so in. :pimp:

[psychocat]

Bodyworlds (http://www.bodyworlds.com/en.html)
You could always pledge your body to this place :D :cool:

[sidders2]

I know for a fact that i can exist outside of my body, and therefore exist without it! I have had many out of body experiences, and believe me, these are very very real! Through these experiences i have lost all fear i once had for the inevitable death of the body. In some ways i now actually look forward to death, as only then can i truely be free of my body, and all of the materialistic desires that come with it.

[Quebecbudz]

woah that remind me the kinds of question i had in my head while

on shrooms :D pretty trippy tho... especially when ur home alone

in ur bed.. i started thinking what was life and what about in the

other galaxies and tripping stuff like that lol

[Darkneon420]

Your stuck in your grave until judgement day.

Thats what i believe.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

God is dead - Neitzsche

Neitzsche is dead - God

Death IS dead - Me.



Death cannot exist, for nothing DIES, only changes.

if you kill me, my body does not disappear, the energy that once made my body function dispearses slowly into the surrounding world, BUT IT DOES NOT CEACE TO EXIST.


so what happens when we die?


LOTS of things! ANYTHING is possible after death.


when i die, i will be cremated so that my ashes can be scattered to the winds and settle all over the world.

that way i can be omnipresent in the world. i will fly with the birds, grow with the trees, spin and float and dive with the wind.

i will become the nutrients in the soil that is absorbed by the plantlife, i will be the nutrients that is eaten by the animals, i will be the meat that is eaten by the humans. i will be one with all.

[dopedupdan]

Yeah me too man. The only problem is remembering it the conversations after the session hehe. I heard that us humans only use 11 percent of our brains....... the other 89% could contain anything. All that extra space must be used for something, maybe it only activates when we die.
The average human uses 9-20% of their brain POWER not space. All of the space is used for different functions. Most people never work hard enough to use their brain power.

[chrons]

I hope the DMT theory is true, and I also believe in it.

If you think about psychedelics and death, and God, and life, interestingly enough they all can relate? No?

Good post :thumbsup:

[hreskofreight4]

i think when you die you are just nothing

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i think when you die you are just nothing
define "nothing" and the scientific method of becoming 'nothing'.

[psychocat]

The brain sends electrical impulses to the muscles and without these signals the body is unable to function and "dies" , the death is followed by the breaking down of the elements of the body which (if we still buried people) would be absorbed back into the soil as nutrients and minerals.
The control of those electrical impulses isn't always under our control (reflex actions) but most of the time we are aware of our movements and actions.
The question is :
Do you view people as higher beings with a "soul" or as a highly developed biological machine?
I think the latter and I believe that when the plug is pulled the power is absorbed back into the network (Universe) so to speak.
I do not believe that the energy that makes us function is in any way sentient, any more than the energy that makes your TV work is.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

how, then, can sentience exist? if neither matter nor energy can be sentient, how can sentience come about, then just as simply be snuffed away?

[temujin8]

well its simple you either die and, your "spirit goes on" (through reincarnation, if there is a better place or whatever) or you turn to dust and there really is nothing out there after life. If that is true it won't really matter since you wont care because you no longer exist... so no worries.

[katyowns]

I don't believe anyone here can say with any certainty, which is why people are so scared of death.

[psychocat]

I don't believe anyone here can say with any certainty, which is why people are so scared of death.

You missed a "some" out of that statement



which is why "some" people are so scared of death.

I don't fear death ,it's inevitable and I have already cheated it soooo many times. It's kind of like an old friend waiting in the wings. :D

[temujin8]

Words of wisdom....
â??People fear death even more than pain. It's strange that they fear death. Life hurts a lot more than death. At the point of death, the pain is over. Yeah, I guess it is a friend...â?�
-The Lizard King

[JeffersonBud]

Psychocat, I like that. Your friend in the wings is my friend as well.

[NaughtyDreadz]

when I dies, I'd like to feed some plants....

[JeffersonBud]

Maybe along with those plants you will feed some cars...;)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Words of wisdom....
â??People fear death even more than pain. It's strange that they fear death. Life hurts a lot more than death. At the point of death, the pain is over. Yeah, I guess it is a friend...â?�
-The Lizard King

I fear pain, I envy the dead. i hate the living because they become so damned emotionally attached to the pain called life that people CANT die with a clean conscience. it's like the emotional equivalent imparted on the living that they should have maimed a child, or raped a kitten or something grotesque.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

DMT in the brain will make the last 10 seconds last a while but then its over. Then there will be no more neurotransmitters creating electrical signals in your brain meaning it will not be like sleep or anything awake. It is complete and utter DEATH. No synapses are occurring in your brain meaning all thought, memory, instinct, and reason are lost. Your body degrades into other particles but nothing like a mind (or soul) which is simply a bunch of different patterns of synapses in the brain.

THERE IS STILL HOPE!
I saw a UFO a few months ago and it changed my perspective on life. Although what I state about the brain is scientifically proven, science isn't shit compared to what Aliens can do and maybe they are watching us.


What is to say that the energy that runs the brain doesnt live on, and further to say that this energy does not retain some of the brain's functionality even after it has left the body?

[Euphoric7]

About the DMT thing; what if someone shot you in your third eye area? (where your pineal gland is)

What then!? :D

[bhouncy]

Consciousness is a byproduct of the life force that drives us to become one with the universe.

A lot of bollocks but every idea of what death means is...

fuck knows.

[colour]

i try not to even think about it, ya know? whats the point really? we're here and alive at this moment. so, why not think about now? and what we can do to be productive and successful. when we die, well, thats when we'll know the answer.

[trancefusion5]

The brain is like a machine, or a computer. When you die, it no longer functions, and you're done with. Not a bad thing, really.


It's probably like what it was before you were born. Nothing.

And like some others have said It can be a real good thing for some people to believe in an after life of some sort. Some people would freak out if they knew for sure when they died that was it! FOREVER!! I on the other hand take a scientific perspective of things. I also question everything that has ever been told to me and need to see proof of something before i will call it fact. I wish we knew the answer to this but when i really think about it, its probley best we dont know.

Dont get your hopes so far up on an after life that you forget how precious real life is! :thumbsup:

[trancefusion5]

Do you view people as higher beings with a "soul" or as a highly developed biological machine?
I think the latter and I believe that when the plug is pulled the power is absorbed back into the network (Universe) so to speak.
I do not believe that the energy that makes us function is in any way sentient, any more than the energy that makes your TV work is.

I very much agree!! :thumbsup:

[silkyblue]

what happens when you die


its over, done, dead as a door knob, no afterlife, no prize, no going back

your ride is here


party over outta time





'njoy every sandwich'

Warren Zevon RIP

[trancefusion5]

but its not about the brain really, its deeper than that.

Im sorry but its not. Making up stuff will not make it any more true. With out your brain that is it! How can you think, feel, be without a brain??? I wish there is an after life but im sorry, to me that is right up there with Santa Claus and all the other crazy noise people try to throw out there. Im not going to believe something just because i want it to happen. If it doesnâ??t sound AT ALL reasonable then im just not going to believe it. We live in a world today of fact and science. 100's of years ago i wouldnâ??t blame anyone for thinking these crazy(to me) beliefs but with all we know today i just cant understand it...

[Mr. Happy]

I believe that when we die we return to our original state which is pure love, no more words or symbolisms. In fact I venture to say that nothing we see is actually real at all but only reflections of light that merely answer to the false collective ego that has "death" as its goal, its god, its idea of salvation. A matrix of fantasy is really nothing at all and cannot effect reality at all. This world is just a literal nightmare. We have forgotten that we hold the key to Heaven's gate through forgiveness.

[painretreat]

been lurking a bit on this thread.

Love that:' ....we hold the key to Heaven's gate through forgiveness."

This is confusing to most. They think, God will forgive it all. Most have no clue, we have to do it daily when we do things that hurt others! We must ask them for forgiveness and then forgive our own actions. Thus, allow the 'higher power' to forgive. I don't think, as a nut down the street does: "While you are dying, ask God for forgiveness and you will go to heaven!" rings wrong to me. God can forgive anyone. But leaving a wake of hurt and betrayal behind you--well, just sucks! :twocents::twocents: pr