what happens when you die?

[bloodbrother]

Read about Buddhism but in particularly the Dhali Llama... until learning about this I was unsure but I believe in this the most out of any other religious belief. At first the idea of your soul being in a sort of spiritual limbo until it finds a being that it is attracted to seems very far fetched, however the way the Dhali Llama is realised since the beginning is quite fascinating. As well Tibet is the most spiritually developed and understand the workings of the mind the most out of any other. The previous Dhali Llama knew that there would be trouble with China and he would be too old to help so willingly died knowing he would be reincarnated. A few years later child is born grows up a bit in the mountains with his family as a young child packs his suitcase and tells parents he has to goto Lhasa over and over. Word travels and some monks go to search for him disguised as poor travelers and spend the night there. The Dhali Llama to be was able to speak in a tongue only monks learn and knew the names of each disguised monk that showed up, among identifiying several items that the Dhali Llama kept.

[ralphbuick]

Interesting point. Yes, I think it is important to seek forgiveness for wrongs done to others, and to forgive those who have hurt you. As Sean Connery once said, "I have been screwed more times than a hooker," but I'm learning to let go, which is far less vexatious for my soul than holding grudges.

I hope that when I pass away, I shall become a natural element.

[bhouncy]

Read about Buddhism but in particularly the Dhali Llama... until learning about this I was unsure but I believe in this the most out of any other religious belief. At first the idea of your soul being in a sort of spiritual limbo until it finds a being that it is attracted to seems very far fetched, however the way the Dhali Llama is realised since the beginning is quite fascinating. As well Tibet is the most spiritually developed and understand the workings of the mind the most out of any other. The previous Dhali Llama knew that there would be trouble with China and he would be too old to help so willingly died knowing he would be reincarnated. A few years later child is born grows up a bit in the mountains with his family as a young child packs his suitcase and tells parents he has to goto Lhasa over and over. Word travels and some monks go to search for him disguised as poor travelers and spend the night there. The Dhali Llama to be was able to speak in a tongue only monks learn and knew the names of each disguised monk that showed up, among identifiying several items that the Dhali Llama kept.

Allegedly.

[DaBudhaStank]

so what happens when we die?


Why would you even ask that question? No one will give you a good answer, because no one knows for sure. The only ones who DO know, are dead, and they ain't saying anything.

I have no idea what happens, and frankly, I don't care. I know in my being that I've done nothing wrong to warrant my descent into a (most likely fake) Hell. Since I KNOW I'm not going to Hell even if it does exist (which it doesn't) and since I don't believe in all that mumbo jumbo anyway, who cares?

[bloodbrother]

pertaining to the idea of hell, as far as christianity goes, it was not even introduced until long after jesus died. his original teaching was basically that god loved everyone and to do everything you could to help others and not identify social class but instead see everyone as equals. everyone originally went to heaven regardless. the idea of hell was introduced as mind control along with many other current christianity teachings and seems to work quite well

about the allegedly thing about the Dhali Llama, that is right no one knows forsure; however, they definately understood things about the mind documented in their monastaries prior to the chinese occupation that america is only starting to learn and understand now.

[Mr. Happy]

It is natural to want to know what happens after death. I don't believe death is real. It is only real if I identify my Self with my body. The body is a fence we have created as a way to separate ourselves from God, but this is impossible really. We live in a world of our own creation, our own illusions that are not one with the Mind of God, yet God will never abandon us no matter how hard we try to kill Him and make our god of the ego victorious over Him. Our way back to God is to forgive ourselves and everyone else and to accept the forgiveness of our Father. God loves us each and every one, perfect equality, there are no exceptions to God's love. We created hell folks, not God, look in the mirror. We are all Holy children of God, that means you too! You are going to be whole and perfect whether you like it or not. But be glad for your Father in Heaven has yet to bestow on you your inheritance which is perfect union with Him and all there is. Peace and love to you all, Happy.

[silkyblue]

Im surprized no ones talked of Astrology

maybe our "Gods are the stars" lookin down on us

and when we die we fly in the vast galaxy of
dead stars

[TurnyBright]

It makes sense to thin that it's like the way it was before we were born, but the problem I have with that is that when I try to imagine "before I was born" it feels very similar to the sensation of trying to remember something I've simply forgotten. There's a blank spot, sort of, but the fact that I can cognitize it's existence as a blank spot infers to me that there must be something that is blanked.

[Mr. Happy]

It makes sense to thin that it's like the way it was before we were born, but the problem I have with that is that when I try to imagine "before I was born" it feels very similar to the sensation of trying to remember something I've simply forgotten. There's a blank spot, sort of, but the fact that I can cognitize it's existence as a blank spot infers to me that there must be something that is blanked.

What I think we have forgotten is our true Identity, our innocence, our perfection and our oneness. We have forgotten that our dreams of fear, death and loneliness come from our own minds and not the Mind of God. We may have condemned ourselves but God hasn't condemned us. The way back to Heaven is always there but we can't walk it alone because we are One and without completely forgiving the world, we cannot know that we are One. "Nothing real is threatened, nothing unreal exists, herein lies the peace of God." - A Course in Miracles.

[mary12]

It is a difficult question to answer and i do think it is difficult to research also. When you die means you are dead. Everything comes to a end. Whatever we hear about life after death is a mere assumption.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Why would you even ask that question? No one will give you a good answer, because no one knows for sure. The only ones who DO know, are dead, and they ain't saying anything.

I have no idea what happens, and frankly, I don't care. I know in my being that I've done nothing wrong to warrant my descent into a (most likely fake) Hell. Since I KNOW I'm not going to Hell even if it does exist (which it doesn't) and since I don't believe in all that mumbo jumbo anyway, who cares?


Best. Answer. Ever.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I dont know if i posted this before or not, but this is the thread it belongs in... i had this saved to my documents and found it last night while i was real bored and stuff LOL

enjoy :)


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soul = mind = spirit (= soul)

then we have 3 conscious minds.

God, the collective consciousness of all minds in existence, the superconscious, the spirit.

Dream world, spiritual world, ethereal world, astral world, the home of our consciousness, the Subconscious, the soul.

and lastly, the conscious mind, the body, the brain, the senses, the physical world we live in and experience.



the superconscious is 0
the superconscious is infinity
the superconscious is nothing
the superconscious is all


the superconscious is formless, abstract, and above all indescribable.
the superconscious is our Yin observation, but moreover our awareness and ability to experience consciousness.

the subconscious is memories, fantasies, dreams, sounds, colors, opinions, beliefs, and the Yang of perception.
we are connected to the subconscious, as individuals in a world, where the world is the subconscious mind, and we all have our own homes within infinity.

the space provided is part of the superconscious' infinite nature.

the conscious mind is the individual you, the ego, the source of perceptions, of sight, sound, taste, smell, and feel.

the conscious mind is experience, perception, the Yang of observation and the Yin of perception.
the conscious minds existence is housed within the subconscious mind's realm/home, which acts as an ego, or personality. the conscious mind constantly fills the subconscious' house with thoughts, memories, ideas, perceptions, opinions, assertions, and many other mental activities.

the subconscious mind has to filter through these things all the time, and uses them to build their world/home.

the superconscious is the awareness of everything, the very fact that you are aware is the superconscious mind at

work creating the ability to know your thoughts, and what comes through them by way of perception and experience,

separating the subconscious worlds through the vastness of infinity, ever present and all knowing.
it is the source of awareness, of which without the universe would be devoid of real life, of subconscious and conscious activities.

without the conscious and subconscious minds, life is just an automation imagined by the superconscious mind.

like a self made movie but no one to show it to.

the subconscious aides an audience.


the conscious gives us actors.


or to give, more appropriately, an analogy...



the superconscious is an MMORPG
the subconscious is us. the players.
the conscious are our characters in-game.


so what happens when we die? er... i dunno. we probably respawn somewhere.

[Dream of the iris]

Respawn lol, that's a good one.

Yes, I believe our souls are very old.

I am starting to remember more of my past, some memories date back possibly a million or so years ago, maybe more.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Respawn lol, that's a good one.

Yes, I believe our souls are very old.

I am starting to remember more of my past, some memories date back possibly a million or so years ago, maybe more.


"very old" is meaningless in infinite eternity...


we just simply are, and always were, and always will be.

but in an ever constantly changing infinite environment.

[Dream of the iris]

That's true in all higher dimensions, but unfortunately most are stuck here in this one.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

That's true in one dimension, but unfortunately we are not there yet.


oh but we are...



in this one dimension, all dimensions are present...



we are still in the third dimension, yes, but every dimension is an extension of the previous dimension, and vice versa... the all dimension and one dimension are the same dimensions. just from opposite approaches.

[Dream of the iris]

I agree. We can only consciously exist in one dimension at a time, however, we do exist in all dimensions, it's just that depending on when we are ready that will determine when we will evolve consciously into the next. And depending on our own personal evolution, we will exist in whatever dimension suits are needs best. For most that's the third, or material dimension.

I'm curious to see if anyone on here remembers their past lives.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I agree. We can only consciously exist in one dimension at a time, however, we do exist in all dimensions, it's just that depending on when we are ready that will determine when we will evolve consciously into the next. And depending on our own personal evolution, we will exist in whatever dimension suits are needs best. For most that's the third, or material dimension.

I'm curious to see if anyone on here remembers their past lives.


Omit "most".



in infinity, there are no "most", no larger or smaller quantities of anything in any way... an even spread all across the board.


for most on earth, however, yeah that is one thing. there might be more lower dimension consciousnesses here however. i cant say for sure that i know.


i cannot know if i remember my past lives or not, the distinction between realities becomes so blurred over time...



but chances are every thought and idea has come from a past life, and each and every fantasy and fear has been lived once before.

[Dream of the iris]

I was talking about Earth.


Knowing and "knowing" are too different things. You can "know" something through facts, such as "I know that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen". But the other kind of knowing is a much deeper, more intuitive form that is beyond the thought process. I'm sure I don't need to share that with you. You remember your past through feeling, it's something you know, not something you can really find out by thinking about it, the other kind of knowing. That's where fantasy's come in about your past. Surely, I could say I was a great king back in the medieval era or something like that, but in order to really get your past, you have to be able to see the distinction between your ego and your intuitive, "higher" self.

However, it is a great technique to rely on your logical mind. That keeps you from delusion, but it's not something that is very reliable when you deal with other realities. Surely, the thought of an astral plane doesn't make much sense to the logical mind, you can't see it, but you can feel it. Sometimes you can see it, too, but mostly it's a feeling.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yeah.... but i need to remain active here, i dont have time to dwell in higher or lower planes... something important that i've forgotten lies somewhere here...

[Dream of the iris]

You can dwell in a higher dimension and still have your body and function in the material. I think it's after the fifth or sixth that you can't really come back in a body, or at least you don't want to. That's what I've read anyway. To come back means to have to start over again and the potential to lose what you once knew comes into play. Potential to screw up your karmic path you worked up towards because you forgot, etc. Birthing amnesia.

Yes, you are right about that. Something important you have forgotten does lie here. All of us have forgotten something very important. I would suggest trying to look into your past. I used to think the past had no value and that the only moment that mattered was the present. While this is true, the past can teach us valuable lessons and helps to piece together where we are on our karmic journey. That way, it can be an invaluable tool to help us grow.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol oh, dont get me wrong, i never wanted to be here... i've always felt at a loss, in spite of trying to make the best of my time here, i really dont want to. im here because i HAVE to be.

[Dream of the iris]

See, I see it differently. I see it like you (not you persay, but everyone) is here because they choose to be here. Why did you choose? Maybe when you came here, you found out it wasn't so great and now you want to leave, but I don't think you came here because you didn't want to be here.

Myself? I see the gloom and doom and shitty side to society and what not and do feel sort of constricted here, but all in all I enjoy being here. I like this planet and life on this plane. I'll enjoy my time while I have it and cherish the fact that I have the opportunity to further my evolution.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

See, I see it differently. I see it like you (not you persay, but everyone) is here because they choose to be here. Why did you choose? Maybe when you came here, you found out it wasn't so great and now you want to leave, but I don't think you came here because you didn't want to be here.

Myself? I see the gloom and doom and shitty side to society and what not and do feel sort of constricted here, but all in all I enjoy being here. I like this planet and life on this plane. I'll enjoy my time while I have it and cherish the fact that I have the opportunity to further my evolution.


no, no, i see it about the same way... but i cant imagine what would compel me to make that decision...


seeing as, being human, there is nothing i can do to help the situation but bitch, piss, moan, rant, and gripe about it.


i've posted all sorts of philosophical insights, but technically, nothing new.


dont get me wrong, under different circumstances, i would LOVE to be here, this is a most beautiful place to exist, but those circumstances include unbound freedom and the ability to live to my own standards, without paying tribute to anyone if i didnt want to.



I cant grow acres upon acres of Cannabis for use in industry, medicine, recreation, and shelter, i cant be left alone to use what the earth has to offer because there is always some sort of monopoly being enforced on the earth's resources. other issues are personal problems that i am okay with, but the social environment is not set in a manner to make them easily dealt with, and, if anything, bigger problems than they really are.


the spirit of this world has for so long been diminishing, that is surely why i am here, but there is not a god damned thing i know that i can do about it.

[Coelho]

Well... for you all who likes this stuff of past lifes, i would recommend this 2 books from Robert Monroe: Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey. There he explains how was his own experience discovering his past lifes and related stuff during his OOBEs. This books can be found in pdf at sites as esnipes, scribd, etc. His description is very interesting, and while i dont quite believe it, its nevertheless a nice reading.
I dont believe it very much because in most his journeys he was helped by what Don Juan Matus calls the "inorganic beings", and almost every places that he did visit are in this beings realm. As Don Juans views about this beings is not a positive one, i take Monroes observation with a grain of salt, owing the fact that, accordingly Don Juan, this beings usually lures and entraps humans in their realm. So what Monroe saw could be true, but only inside the inorganic beings realm. And as Don Juans goal was the complete freedom (including from any inorganic beings), he didnt encouraged anyone to make such journeys or even associate itself with this beings. More information about this can be found at Carlos Castanedas The Art of Dreaming, which also can be found in pdf at the same sites.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

in spite of ideas on death, and i guess oobe's, i am still seeking the answer to life... with little luck.


the primary mentality seems to be "my way or the highway" in this world. that cannot be the meaning of life! selfishness and greed cannot be able to provide comfort and contentedness for the countless lives that walk run swim and fly the earth!

why i am here, i have yet to learn for certain.

[DaBudhaStank]

Are people still asking this question? I figured that everyone knew the answer was "To live" by now. There's no "point" except to live, do good work and make the best of the time you have. Simple as that.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Are people still asking this question? I figured that everyone knew the answer was "To live" by now. There's no "point" except to live, do good work and make the best of the time you have. Simple as that.


not simple; pointless.

[Dream of the iris]

seeing as, being human, there is nothing i can do to help the situation but bitch, piss, moan, rant, and gripe about it.



Sometimes that's the greatest thing you can do to help others. I learn a lot from your posts. We are all here to share our knowledge and to lift each other up.



i've posted all sorts of philosophical insights, but technically, nothing new.

New to some.



dont get me wrong, under different circumstances, i would LOVE to be here, this is a most beautiful place to exist, but those circumstances include unbound freedom and the ability to live to my own standards, without paying tribute to anyone if i didnt want to.


I feel the same way, but I also see my role and realize that, while this is an awful situation our species is in, to truly change it we have to go inward. The external will follow.





the spirit of this world has for so long been diminishing, that is surely why i am here, but there is not a god damned thing i know that i can do about it.

On the contrary. The spirit of the world in my view is getting increasingly intense and vibrating on a whole new level. Some are hearing the call and responding, others are not. What you can do to help? Respond. Hold the frequency. More on that later.

[Dream of the iris]

Here's something to think about.


"The purpose of our incarnations, it was explained, was to begin disrupting the false, underlying premises of the historical state, educating people and gently introducing the truth. "Your role, " our narrator continued, "is to prepare people for the time when the lies that give birth to all fear-centered thinking will be banished forever from human consciousness. Though it may sound strange to you, if human populations are not prepared, it will be much more difficult for them to survive the cleavage, so entwined are the thoughts of fear, not only in their thinking, but even in their very sense of self. We must help them relax with their identitites and stop defining themselves as vulnerable entities."

-Ken Kesey

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yes the vibrations are increasing, but the overall mentality of societies seems to diminish... while we might be advancing in one respect, we are held stagnant by our own means of survival.



that must change, and sooner than now, if we are going to see any truly positive spiritual achievements in the near future.



we are STILL held stagnant by currency, STILL being lead by selfish and ignorant power mongers, we STILL have not yet been set free from our own societies.


we need to rid ourselves of this bondage before i will fully agree that we are advancing.

[Dream of the iris]

What do you think is the cause for this "frequency controlled" environment that we live in?

Like I said, some are hearing the call to change, others are not. Society will not give you freedom so I wouldn't expect anyone to rely on it. If society doesn't change, so be it. At least you can. And if enough of us can, then we can change it.

The fact that society isn't changing does not bother me that much because I know when people are ready to change, they will. The planet is ready and changing and if things go as predicted by some, then she will try to rid herself of any tumors. It seems we are in an "evolve or die" scenario or at least we will be soon. At first glance that can be seen as a pessimistic view, but again, I said some are ready and some aren't. Life is one big learning process and this "end of the world" scenario just proves that the search of the material always brings about an end in some way.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol im just doing what i can, man. im as free as i can be without getting arrested.

[Dream of the iris]

A wise man once told me, "Is that really all you can be doing?"

Wise words I should consider myself.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

when the answer is "i dont know" it isnt nearly as wise as it sounds.

[Dream of the iris]

That was more wisdom for myself lol. I seem to be in a similar boat as you. I suppose the best I can do right now is continue to work on myself.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

that's my line! lol good luck to ya. god knows i have a lot left to learn...

[Dream of the iris]

Don't we all, brother. Didn't mean to steal your line lol.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Don't we all, brother. Didn't mean to steal your line lol.



lol i dont believe in copyright, im glad you did. :thumbsup:

[Dream of the iris]

Didn't mean to hijack your thread, Dmo. Anyway, what I think happens when you die is this. When you die your consciousness remains intact, but you no longer have a mind to filter your experience. That's not saying you are free, because most people when they die are very afraid. This fear bounds them wherever they are. Sometimes that results in spirits or ghosts sticking around places. Those that are able to get past their fear are able to go on to whatever karma allows. Probably not accurate and I really don't know.

Check out this link for some interesting info that is a big assumption.

Spiritual Science Research Foundation (http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/)

[wishpotwaslegal]

as long as you follow the one golden rule you will go to YOUR heaven. and be happy with every body that you loved.

THE ONE GOLDEN RULE

DO TO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO TO YOU!!

that is all ten commandments in one

[PlainJane]

We decay. Everything else is purely speculation.

[Dream of the iris]

Think about this. Consciousness could be considered energy. Energy can not be created or destroyed (well, possibly created). *shrugs*

[MtnGoat]

it seems there has been alot of death around me lately and it got me wondering, what happens

is there heaven, or hell

do you know that you are dead or are you just gone forever

are you conscious? do you just rot away and thats the end of all the experiences you will ever have, or is there something else?

i wish i knew man but i thought i would just post this and get some of your thoughts

me personally i have no idea, but i refuse to believe we just die and thats it i think something happens but im not sure what

Too many pages for me to read through, however...

I've always been agnostic, barely. Recently I began reading a lot about near death experiences, and talking to a friend and a relative that had them, I came to reincarnation, something I've always thought made sense (conservation of matter and energy) which led me BACK to mysticism and other beliefs/practices that have been banished by the big 3 "western" churches.

After digesting all of this, Christianity FINALLY makes sense to me, after 45+ years. I get it, and I'm convinced most don't - no slam, just the way it is. I've always believed that all of the faiths practiced by people lead to the same end - and it doesn't matter.

As for what happens after death - in my elementary understanding - I think we get a choice to go around again, until we decide to remain in perpetuity on the other side.

Just my two cents.

[overgrowthegovt]

No idea, but I strongly feel this....1). Death isn't just a blank end followed by radio silence; consciousness is too phenomenal for that. 2). No theory yet proposed exactly matches up, least of all that put forth by Christianity, due to the human mental limitations of space and time.

[HeadieMan11]

An OOBE in a sense. Studies have shown ones soul/mind does not need a physical "host" to continue to function. I have lived, without a body. Try astral prjection.

[Tor1Hershman]

I didn't read all of this thread soooooooo someone may have stated this already.

What happens when you cease to exist is exactly the same as before you came into existence and that's 0, 100% 0 .
No pain, no fear, no hunger, no cold, no hot, nothing bad at all.

Of course if you want to know what happens to your remains, heck, I've answered that question in this vid; well, moi answered it for those that die @ Disneyland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRNsuIfYzk

[lovezeppelin]

I also think the way you live your life reflects on how long your soul is trapped in animal form, untill it becomes human again. Kharma can work to your advantage, or cause you to be a dung beetle!!

OH NO!!! :wtf:

[hypecast]

alot of people talk about the brain or dream. But what if you die from a accident/war etc... and your brain is destroyed ? Your screw ?

[chapman1]

who cares lifes to short to woory about death

[Xyz505]

the lights turn off

[BlueBlazer]

the lights turn off

I agree. :thumbsup:

Last time I died, I barked the heck out of my shin in the dark . . . :(

[OldHead09]

I would simply like to be fertilizer for the next crop!

[budbudding]

How the fook are we meant to know !!! Ask the dead ???

[RAINHAZE]

The first thing that happens is all your body orifices let out all the pent up gasses inside ya. Thats why they bury your ass, pronto!

The next thing that happens is everyone in the family divvies up all your worldly posessions and fights over who gets what. It's good to always have a lot of food at wakes, ..it eases the tensions somewhat.

As far as your soul, well that's another whole ball of wax.:D

[gypski]

A metamorphosis happens. You leave the cocoon and become the butterfly you always knew you were inside!!! :D Only to begin and end the cycle of the Wheel of 84 over an over....unless you find the short cut!!! :lol5:

Then, you will be where you will be. :D