A little help please.... :)

[nosaj]

Alright guys ( and girls :stoned: ) I just have a little question about my baby and wanted to see if anyone here could help?

I planted a blue god seed (which i bought from a good quality dealer in vancouver) about 3 weeks ago, It sprouted fine and has begun to grow. It currently though is only 2 inches tall and has sprouted about 4 sets of leaves, one on top of the other. The first set of leaves that sprouted out of the seed have turned yellow and wilted to brown while the rest of the leaves are a healthy green except the set that sprouted directly after the first set (second set :stoned: ) These leaves are also a healthy green except the very tip of them which is just beginning to turn yellow, One of my questions is:

Is this yellowing of the first and beginning of the second set of leaves normal?

next, as i mentioned before this little plant only seems to be about 2 inches tall after 3 weeks and is continuing to grow new sets of leaves but is not growing very much at all height wise and it does not seem to look like a few of the others sets of pics i have seen at about the same stage around this forum

Now i know each strain is different but at what point can i expect this plant to grow much height wise. It seems as if after 3 weeks it still has a long ( 3 months?) way to go until it will be ready to flower. Could it be stunted and still be growing new sets of leaves one on top of the other? At what point will a branch/stem(?) grow and then develop leaves out of it. I guess i also have to mention that i have transplanted this plant from an orignal styrofoam cup (which it sprouted out of) to a larger pot until its roots seemed to out grow that and then again to a 4 gallon pot that will be its final growing place. COuld i of damaged it, it still seems to be growing new sets of leaves

Now to give you the run down on the care of the plant, i seem to be watering it about every 2-3 days as necessary and have not yet added any ferts or nutes to the soil. I am not an experienced grower as you can see but i am also not an experienced grower of anything ever so i dont know as much as i would like yet, but i read these forums and such a tonne and am learning slowly. As for the lighting and such i currently use 4 CFL's day light for veg and germ and will be switching to 4 CFL no-stink warm lights when necessary. The lights equal about 400 watts as of light now and are in a container that is properly vented and seems to not be running too warm or cold. The soil i am using is from home depot and is just normal soil ( i didnt know too much when i bought it, but is mixed generously with perlite and vermiculite. I would say it is 1 part perlite for every 4 parts soil and maybe 1/4 part vermiculite for every 4 parts soil.


here is a similar set up to mine - (thanks bodom you so far are my inspiration)

http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/80747-how-rubbermaid-tub-growbox.html

I also just wanted to ask, even though i know this isnt the right forum, if anyone has tried blue god. It looks spectacular to say the least.

[nosaj]

I am having troubles uploading pics - does anyone have any info. I am uploading them from my comp to this site not from a outside url, any help? It just tell me upload failed, plain and simple

[nosaj]

i got it

[nosaj]

And a few more:

[Rusty Trichome]

The first set of leaves that sprouted out of the seed have turned yellow and wilted to brown while the rest of the leaves are a healthy green except the set that sprouted directly after the first set (second set :stoned: ) These leaves are also a healthy green except the very tip of them which is just beginning to turn yellow, One of my questions is:
Is this yellowing of the first and beginning of the second set of leaves normal?
Often the first set of round baby leaves will yellow up.


I guess i also have to mention that i have transplanted this plant from an orignal styrofoam cup (which it sprouted out of) to a larger pot until its roots seemed to out grow that and then again to a 4 gallon pot that will be its final growing place. COuld i of damaged it, it still seems to be growing new sets of leaves
Kinda need to ease-up on the transplanting. It's only 2" tall? A plant with a stray root coming out of the bottom, isn't necessarily ready for transplant. Also, damaging the roots while transplanting will cause stress and stunt active growing till it recovers from this stress. Patience. Overloving a plant can kill it.


Now to give you the run down on the care of the plant, i seem to be watering it about every 2-3 days as necessary and have not yet added any ferts or nutes to the soil.

Going to have to feed her sooner or later...right now is probably a good time, and weekly thereafter, as directed on package. (at least that's a good place to start)
I've never flowered with CFLs, nor tried Blue God, so can offer no assistance with the rest.

Any idea what your water ph is? The soil mentioned is ok, but not the best. Adding perlite seemed necessary when I went that route.

GL

[nosaj]

Ok i got ya, Thx for the help. Just to ask what kind of nutes do you recommend and do u think it would be good to dilute the nutes for the initial stages of adding them? I know these are redundant questions around here but i appreicate the direct advice on my little baby here.

regarding my PH i will get a test today and let you know later on. I agree i needed to ease up on teh transplanting i just decided that it was probably better to allow her to grow in a big container as the smaller pot that she was in actually was getting filled up by roots. None the less i have no need to transplant it again.

I have read about fox farms soil a ton around here, is the best place to get it from the internuts or will my local grow shop have that particular brand for future knowledg?

Thx again for teh response it is much appreciated.

[nosaj]

I also wanted to ask if it looks to be at the appropriate height/size in general for 3 weeks?

thx

[Farmer Rich]

Man, I was worried too when I thought the babies were growing slower than they should.. This link is from about week 2:

First Grow - Bag Seed - Whoopee.. - Cannabis Photo Gallery (http://gallery.cannabis.com/showgallery.php?cat=705)

These are 3 weeks later..

First Grow - 34 day update - Cannabis Photo Gallery (http://gallery.cannabis.com/showgallery.php?cat=710)

Like someone else said, patience Grasshopper.. ;)

Farmer Rich

[Farmer Rich]

One other thought... Only the one plant? What happens if it turns out male? I'd germ a few more to up my odds..

:) Rich

[stinkyattic]

From the pics:
-Your soil has too much fertilizer in it
-The pot is too large for that size plant
-The plant is showing tip scorch from the excess ferts and you need to flush your medium well.

[Rusty Trichome]

Ok i got ya, Thx for the help. Just to ask what kind of nutes do you recommend and do u think it would be good to dilute the nutes for the initial stages of adding them? I know these are redundant questions around here but i appreicate the direct advice on my little baby here.

There is a bunch of info you seek on this site, and a search function. You'll get much knowlege, a lot quicker by utilizing this free service.
-but-
Until you decide on and purchase the nutes, no one can tell you how to apply. I use Fox Farms nutrient products most of the time. Whichever you choose, go with label instructions for diluting till they are stronger in size and appearance.


i just decided that it was probably better to allow her to grow in a big container as the smaller pot that she was in actually was getting filled up by roots.

Very doubtful that it was 'rootbound' at any time. They are just too small for having any root restriction problems.


I have read about fox farms soil a ton around here, is the best place to get it from the internuts or will my local grow shop have that particular brand for future knowledg?
Thx again for teh response it is much appreciated.

I never used FF soil, but if your local nursery doesn't have a good potting soil, it is much more cost-effective mixing your own soil. Plenty of recipies in these forums, I'll bet.

GL

[Rusty Trichome]

WOW...where did the pix come from. They wern't there a while ago. Thought you said you hadn't given any ferts to date. That's not manure in the pot, is it?

[nosaj]

I finally got the pics up, and i havent used any ferts or nutes in the soil so whatever is in there is from the orignal soil. I hope there isnt manure in there.

[nosaj]

hey guys,

So here is an update of my little baby and unfortunately it still hasn't seemed to grow too much and it has been about a week since the last set of pics i posted. I am in the process of setting up a new grow box even though i don't think that is the problem and i simply am coming to the conclusion that it must be the soil i used. I am watering the plant about every 3 days as it seems to be when the soil needs it (dries up) and have just begun using nutes (10-15-10) but am only using half the recommended dosage to begin with. I still cannot figure out why i am getting so little growth out of this little bitch. That is why it think it must be the soil as I am using 4-27 watt cfls (daylight) right now.

Could i be watering too much? I just cannot figure it out as it is not growing up at all just new sets of leafs on top of new sets of leaves. I am thinking of buying a 400w hps (or higher) for my new box can anyone recommend a set that i can find of ebay? or another online site?

anyways thanks guys, do you guys thikn it might be worth getting some new soil and restarting from scratch?

[nosaj]

and a few more

[stinkyattic]

That plant looks a whole lot better.
It is possible for a plant to outgrow the conditions that caused it to suffer fert scorch as a seedling- you see it has several sets of adult leaves now? IT is old enough to handle the ferts in da dirt. You got lucky, and it looks ike your lighting is adequate.
For next time, start plants in party-cup sized pots or smaller. I imagine you are trying to avoid transplanting? Too much media too early in life just leads to lots and lots of action UNDERGROUND, and the plant will still end up pot bound and need transplanting on a similar schedule anyway.
The concept of 'transplant shock' applies to plants that were mishandled during transplant. If you do it correctly, there's no shock or setback, and you will see an explosion in growth surprisingly soon after the transplant.

Your plant is fine. Be careful now not to overwater the POT- water only in the immediate area of the plant until it is larger, under what is termed the plant's 'drip line'- approximately the area shaded by the leaves. That's a workable measure of where the roots are concentrated.

[nosaj]

Great thanks stinky, I actually did begin them in styrofoam cups but obviously got ahead of myself and transplanted it into a larger pot and then transplanted it again into th epot that you can see. I will be starting another one somewhat soon when i get this next project finished and i will use a lot more patience than i have with this little op. i am still quite excited with this little girl though and am hoping that i see some real growth soon.

I have just begun using nutes on her (hopefully her) and like i said they are 10-15-10 and am only using half the dosage as of right now. I simply cannot find any fox farms products at my local greenhouse. i went yesterday and seemed to find everything else. IS there anything else you recommend or do you know a spot i can find them on the net?
I picked up some miracle grow bloom builder for the future (whenever it is i get to flowering) and am using a schultz nutes solution right now, should this do instead of the fox farms?

thx

[nosaj]

Can anyone give me a hand with the above questions. My plant still hasnt really taken off and it was planted nov 15th or so. I just cant figure out what it would be? Stinky if you read this have u seen plants like this stay so small before? It is honestly only 3-4 inches tall and it has been a long time now. Like i said at the beginning i transplanted it early but i still am not seeing much growth up but it is growing new leaves? Could this be normal? Oh i am also switching it to under a 1000w mh very soon ( as soon as it arrives) and am gonna start a few more in my new cabinet. I tihnk i already have somewhat adequate light as it is so i dont tihnk that s the problem with it growing so slow

[Rusty Trichome]

It might just need a couple of weeks to recover from earlier stresses.
Patience.
There are hundreds of nutes to choose from, from dozens of manufacturers...Fox Farms has always done me good, and is available from many websites. However, whichever one you use, ALWAYS dilute as directed before application.

Never add nutes, without mixing with water, first. It's like burning your hand with acid...then pouring water on it to dilute the acid. The damage is already done. If you've been doing this, I'd strongly recommend a good flush with ph adjusted water.

You may want to go ahead and start your next crop, tho. Not going to be very cost-effective growing 1 (struggling) plant under a 1000w HID. How big is your grow cabinet, because those 1000w lamps get pretty darned hot.

[nosaj]

It might just need a couple of weeks to recover from earlier stresses.
Patience.
There are hundreds of nutes to choose from, from dozens of manufacturers...Fox Farms has always done me good, and is available from many websites. However, whichever one you use, ALWAYS dilute as directed before application.

Never add nutes, without mixing with water, first. It's like burning your hand with acid...then pouring water on it to dilute the acid. The damage is already done. If you've been doing this, I'd strongly recommend a good flush with ph adjusted water.

You may want to go ahead and start your next crop, tho. Not going to be very cost-effective growing 1 (struggling) plant under a 1000w HID. How big is your grow cabinet, because those 1000w lamps get pretty darned hot.



regarding the 1000w, i know it is gonna get pretty hot and just realized this after the purchase :( . I didn't put too much thought into it when i bought it only afterwards unfortunately, so i guess i am also on my way to purchasing a cool tube, ducting and a fan.

regarding nutes i never apply just directly i always dilute with water and have been seeing a increased rate of growth in leaves since i started using them. I just began using molasses with my last application of nutes and water and the plant seems to be enjoying it.

I am guessing that i will be starting another plant or two soon as my new cab will be able to hold them, but i still will be struggling with space to not have a heat problem. The cool tube or cooled reflector will be my only hope as i a only have about 2w'x4l'x4h to work with. I am guessing i will be uilding a bigger cab sooner than later. If anyone else who is unexperienced is reading this make sure you plan before you purchase ;) or get ready to spend cash like i am. It now will e a long time before this pays off. None the less i am glad i am not supporting asian gangs or HA anymore.

With the specs of my cab above, how much trouble do you think i will be in with heat problems. I am planning to have 2 computer fans at the top taking the hot air out and obviously wil lhave 2-3 ducts in the bottom for air coming in. Do you think the cool tube be a guaranteed necessity? I will post a pic or two soon of my plant after a day or so since last pics

[stinkyattic]

Even with a cooltube, you need a space at least 4x4x8, and a powerful exhaust, for a 1000w lamp.

[nosaj]

yeah that is what i am thinking. I dont know what i am gonna do because it cannot be returned/exchanged. This is the problem with acting without thinking. Oh well. Do you think it is better to just set up a bigger cabinet?

[stinkyattic]

yeah. You got a walk-in closet or a nice cozy corner of your cellar? You can cover a space 5x5 with that light, and yank down over a pound per harvest if you work it properly. Read up! :D

[nosaj]

I dont want/need that much chron unfortunately. I am just looking to grow enough to keep my going and honestly have quit for the last little while. Funny enough this has become a hobby or growing something more than trying to support the habit (that i loved and cherished) that i for some odd reason gave up recently. I am looking to only have a few plants (3 at most maybe) and would even be interested in growing a mini orange tree or something exotic too just for the fuck of it.

If i keep some fans inside my cabinet blowing on the plants along with the computer fans along the top and cool air vents in the bottom along witha cool tube that exhausts the heat from lamp through ducting, does this sound like enough? Obviously trying it out will be the real test but it is nice to chat with someone who has soe experience as opposed to my experimentation

[stinkyattic]

There's no way you will be able to run the K in a cabinet, and even in a large cabinet/closet, you'll need at minimum a PAIR of duct-booster 6" fans in-line to move the air. You will probably want to cool the lamp on a separate duct circuit, and insulate the ductwork that is exposed inside the cabinet, and then do the cabinet exhaust with another set of fans.
Mediterranean plants such as rosemary grow well in warm, bright grow cabs, and will help hide the odor of your herb.

[nosaj]

well stinky you are a heart breaker on here just like you probbaly are in real life. I dont know what i am gonna do cause this sux and it is my own bloody fault and i dont want to raise my electricity bill much more than it is already gonna be so a bunch of extra fans and such will not be my favorite option.

I am even now thinking about scrapping the old cabinet (that i worked my ass off to build and paint) for a new 5x5.

[nosaj]

stinky can you delete this whole thread for me as i am completely satisfied with all the info i got and am somewhat paranoid about this.



thx alot i dont have anymore questios

[stinkyattic]

nosaj, I don't mean to be a bitch, but if you read the site user agreement, all posts become property of the site. By deleting them, you're preventing others from learning from this, and I hate to think I and others have wasted a bunch of time writing up a bunch of careful responses only to have them deleted. This is the same reason I don't troubleshoot via email. Ever. This is very much a community enterprise.

Don't worry, the feds don't give a single shit about a dude with a few plants in his house. If you had posted pics showing over 100 plants in the same shot, then you'd have cause for concern, or come on here bragging about a commercial op. But you didn't.

If you have security concerns, look up a service called TOR anonymity online. This is a free service that will re-route packets sent to a website and make them appear to have originated at a node other than yours.

I gotta think about this.

Oh- and save the cabinet for vegging. Toss a few 40w T12 flourescent tubes in there (throw almost no heat) and call it good. The new room will comfortably house a nice collection of garden vegetables.

The electric bill on a K isn't as bad as you would expect. My monthly electric bills in New England run $250 MAX and include:
-3 refrigerators
-1 gigantic TV
-1 deep freezer
-2050 watts of HID lighting
-200 watts of flourescents
-associated ventilation
-3 air conditioners (window)
-washer and dryer
-computer
-2 coffee makers
-one hair dryer
-all lights for 2 apartments inhabited by 3 people total
-electric exhaust for my heating systems
-electric space heater in my bathroom
-my tenants leaving the fucking cellar lights on all the time

You will barely even notice.

[nosaj]

i actually did read it just after i posted the question so i understand completely whatever you choose. I actually felt bad even asking once i read it because i had answered my own question.

Sorry to even ask
thx