First grow log

[joe86el]

This is my first indoor grow, its in an attic and its pretty much thrown together. i ran out of money and rescources so this is pretty much how its gonna be for the next while. Theres no fan and the ventilation is coming from the many gaps in the plastic and that squashed flexihose u see in the picture anyway only time will tell how it goes. the seeds are sensi's indoor mix which is a mix of all their indoor strains (Shiva shanti, hindu kush, afghani, maple leaf indica, first lady, four way, mothers finest, big bud, silver haze, black domina jack flash, NL, hash plant and more). the pack said 25 seeds but there were 37 when i counted. id reccomend these seeds to any hobby grower. its a 700w digi and the soil is non-peat based multi purpose compost with 40% vermiculite and 20% perlite.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

What are the temps in the attic?

If it is Fall and a mild climate where you live you should be ok during lights on. But for lights out you may need a space heater if it gets cold.

[home.grower]

too much light for seedlings mate. germinate and set them off before cranking up the lumens.. even a lil desklamp with a 6400K (think) natural daylight energy saving buld will do until the show some leaves... 700w could kill em as soon as the emerge.. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't risk it

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

No he is ok as long as the light is not to close, never heard of a 700w though. I have a 600w and use it from start to finish.
With a 600w you need to maintain a 20" distance from lamp to top of plant if not then you will fry the tops.

[joe86el]

sorry it is a 600w. I put my hand just above the seedlings and its not too hot...I think. they have their first set of true leaves already and they dont seem to be suffering (to my untrained eye). The temp in the room ranges from 65-75F. Night temps at the moment are pretty mild but as the winter sets in i'll just have the lights on at night which should provide enough heat. that 20 inch distance thing is a bit of a worry also. height is restricted enough already

[joe86el]

Two weeks later and things are lookin ok. there are some major temp fluctuations (from 40-75F) which is slowing the growth but most of the plants are looking healthy. Two of the plants are looking sick and others are going a bit purple at the petioles and uner the leaf. One is yellow/green, very scrawny and its leaf tips are going brown and curling downwards. The other is almost an ivy dark green with rigid leaves and extremely stunted also. Any advice, suggestions appreciatedon
. ive also got ten smaller LR2 seedlings on the go, hopefully theyll be flowering at the same time as the rest so i can get some nice crosses going

[LaidZeppelin]

if head room is an issue try LST or topping the plant that will make it so the main cola wont shoot right into the light. That temp range is whats killing them. I left the heat off and my house got down to 60 and I could see the slight effect on my plants. cant immagine the harm it does to seedlings.

[joe86el]

i dont think low temps will kill a weed plant, it'll just slow the growth. I think i tipped ash into one of the pots when they were smaller, maybe that effected pH or minerals or something. Ye im gonna LST everything. Just gonna breed the LR's for seed and make hash out of them. Cant wait to harvest, i just hope the frost holds off:smokin:

[joe86el]

One week later they seem to be growing a lot faster. Ive started feeding them seaweed extract fert and i add a tiny bit of a C02 tab into the water. when i was in the shop getting the mylar i asked the guy in the shop how much was a pack of C02 tabs and he just said "theyre pretty expensive but take a few if u want" so i got a load of free tabs and he knocked of â?¬5 off the price of the myalr:thumbsup:. I also bought myself an oscillating fan and a pc fan which i hooked up to an old SNES adaptor. All i need now is a space heater. The LR2 seedlings are doing pretty good also, showing no stress from the cold so far and the temps are getting pretty close to freezing. I can only have the HPS on 12 hrs a day cos the power bill came and it was pretty high so i have a daylight bulb (40W i think) on 24 hrs which hpoefully will keep them from flowering even it doesnt enduce any growth.

[cody8892000]

low temps will indeed kill a pot plant i just went through that this week.....i pulled the plant today :( :(

[joe86el]

oh shit. i thought they were ok once the temps stay above freezing? does anyone think id be ok to start LSTing now? Theyre just starting theyre 5th set of leaves but the stems arent elongating at all, what the craic there? how can u encourage elongation? and what does it mean when the petioles and underside of the leaves have a purple colour?

[Opie Yutts]

You are going to need some good ventilation in there in the summer. You will not be able to keep going as is when it hits 130 in your attic. I think you will also need a small heater for during lights out in the cold parts of winter. You don't want a temp shift between day and night of more than 15 degrees. Plants will not die from cold unless they freeze. They can get stressed and appear to almost stop growing from it, and the colder it is the slower they grow. Your plants are too small to start tying down at this point. Wait about another 2 weeks probably. You can encourage elongation by pulling your light back farther. Also blue light encourages bushy growth while red light encourages taller spindly growth. Purple color means nothing unless it is on all of them. Many strains are purplish. If it is on all or most of them than it is a nutrient problem, but not sure what. I've often had purple stems and parts of leaves and buds on my AK-47, but not so much on my blueberry x northern lights (but a little).

Good luck. Looking pretty good so far.

[joe86el]

Thanks for the comments opie, :thumbsup:
venting at the moment isnt a problem, i have a PC fan for intake but i dont turn it on usually because it sucks in cold air and lowers temps. In the summer i'll be doing a lot of guerilla growing (hopefully with the seeds off my Lowryders) but if i am growing up ther i'll just add another PC fan for extraction, our summers are usually mild here anyway. I hear space heaters are pretty heavy on electricity but it may be my only option if i want a good yield. I saw 40W 'warming pads'' being adverised, its like a mini electric blanket but mightnt give off enough heat. I must try and get my paws on a bit of insulation aswell.

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah those pads work pretty well. Propagation pad? Heat mat? They don't get very warm, I think they are mostly designed to sit under some propagation trays, or grow cups.

Insulation IMO is probably the best bet. The more the better, but that creates a higher need for ventilation. For example, I have a nice triple wide Super Good Cents home, and we would suffocate if we did not run a whole-house fan.

[EXP13]

No fan? Not exactly a good thing but...

Contrary to popular belief this shouldn't be that big of an issue as long as you have significant ventilation for C02 replenishment. If your ventilation is poor then you will kill every plant you have quickly.

I would DEFINITLY try to get one though. A fan will help out tremendously!

[joe86el]

few weeks later on 18/6. started LST on some and have ten little lowryders on the go asweel. thats 19 plants in a space of 1.2m X 1.5m

[Opie Yutts]

Wow, it looks a lot more green in there since 7 days ago.

[joe86el]

Ye they really shot up in the last week, probably because temps were a bit higher .its getting pretty tight for space at the moment but after I take out the males I should be ok.Whats the general male to female ratio by the way? Man I cant wait for these babies to start flowering!

[Opie Yutts]

I've found that the seeds I order usually have a higher percentage of females. Maybe 65% or something.

[joe86el]

so far, 6 of the lowryders are showing sex (5 female, 1 male) The rest of the bigger ones are still doing fine, no signs of flowreing yet. Im gonna pollinate one or two of the LRs and for my next grow i'll pack the place full of LRs. Maybe even on 2 shelves. So how many weeks do LR flower for, 6?? does anyone think i could start cloning trhe bigger ones now? im still not cirulating the air but i am dissolving C02 tabs every day in there and seems to be doing the trick.:)

[twitch]

looking nice man.. i like that like pic showing all the layers

[Opie Yutts]

The bigger ones are in flower? You can clone from plants in flower, it is just more difficult, takes longer, and has a greater mortality rate, than from plants in veg. I recommend doing it earlier in flower as opposed to later.

Co2 is not the only reason for circulating air over the canopy. What trick does the tablet seem to be doing? Keeping mold away or helping the stems to grow strong so they can hold the weight of buds? Or am I not understanding something? (It's been known to happen.)

[joe86el]

No the bigger ones are still in veg, its just the lowryders that are flowering. No i suppose C02 has nothing much to do with circulation, theres no need to be cynical. at the moment i dont feel the need to have the fan on all the time because theyre doing fine anyway.

[stinkyattic]

You need to water them more. They are wilty. Remember that adding CO2, the plnats will need more water for the metabolic processes that are now sped up.

[joe86el]

Thanks for the advice stinky, i didnt think of that. So when the leaves are drooping it means they need water? cos they seem to be droopy a lot of the time, i thought it might have had more to do with the low temps, maybe not

[joe86el]

I checked the plants today and so far 7 of the 9 lowryders are female, 1 male and 1 unsexed. Out of the other bigger plants; 2 out of 9 are female and the rest unknwn. Some of the plants are still pretty small but i couldnt be bothered vegging any longer so i changed the light cycle to 12/12 and began flushing the plants. I also bought some cheap fertiliser in the garden centre, i think its 9:21:12.

[joe86el]

and then i got busted

[stinkyattic]

That's why we all told you not to grow in your parents' house. Come ON.

[joe86el]

i was aware of the risks and was willing to take the chance. I would have had the grow finished long ago but my bulb blew and i couldnt get a new one for weeks so all i could do was keep them alive with a few cfls on 24hrs. I still got a bit of unripe lowryder bud though. Very strange high, extremely calming and relaxing with the strongest body buzz ive ever gotten.

[stinkyattic]

i was aware of the risks and was willing to take the chance. .
That's not the point. When you are growing in a house that does not belong to you, it doesn't matter for shit if YOU are aware of the risks. The HOMEOWNER isn't...
Good for you for being so brave that you will let someone ELSE unwittingly take risks! :thumbsup:
Let's see you be so brave when it's your name on the lease and your ass on the line.

[joe86el]

Dont think for a second that if you were in the same situation as me you wouldnt do the same. You cant grow outdoor this time of year and you dont want to line the pockets of the scumbags who sell grit weed and soapbar. I can see how this would seem like a huge deal to an american due to the harsh and unfair drug laws you have to endure. Although the cannabis laws here are by no means perfect, they are, as ive said to you before, based on logic rather than prejudice ie. the punishment fits the crime. If the homeowner is unaware of the activity, they are not held responsible for any of the occupants actions, if its a first time offence, the perpetrator is liable for a fine, community service etc or a slap on the wrist rather than a stomping on the face like in the US. For a stoner chick, you really tend to get aggravated a lot.

[GrowinGreen23]

nice but make sure you don't scoch the tops of the freash buds and get a fan in there, it's a crucial part of the grow IMO. you can get big heavy plants without one cause it helps with the stem strength

[Opie Yutts]

Although the cannabis laws here are by no means perfect, they are, as ive said to you before, based on logic rather than prejudice ie. the punishment fits the crime.

Wow what a concept. The punishment actually fits the crime? That's awesome. I wonder if someday the most powerful country in the world could get its backward head out of it's ass and try something like that for a change. Actual justice, instead of inverse justice? I guess it just never crossed our minds. Oh well, I guess it's probably better to let the child molester/murderer/rapist go free, and put the people with 2 MJ plants in maximum security prison for 25 years. Yeah never mind, I guess that makes the most sense.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Although the cannabis laws here are by no means perfect, they are, as ive said to you before, based on logic rather than prejudice ie. the punishment fits the crime.

What a novel concept...and where do you live, exactly? According to your profile you live in Scotland and Ireland. How does one accomplish that?

I don't think Stinky's all that aggravated with you, but with the millions of kids who show up here day-after-day asking how to conceal a grow-op from their parents...many of whom CAN be arrested for having an illegal substance being manufactured in their homes. Regardless of whether they were aware or not. It is definitely unwise to risk someone else's future and property just so you can find a cheap way to get high. Most growers don't grow just to get stoned, they do it because they're passionate about growing. Getting to smoke it is just a bonus.

[stinkyattic]

Im not going to argue with some halfwit hicks .Hm... 'personal attack/insult other members' anyone?
Indeed I'm aggravated with you. Again. You should know why. Look at your infraction history.

[joe86el]

Good riddance to belligerent rubbish...

Personal attack? tut tut

[stinkyattic]

dont bother. im finished with this site
If only you had been as good as your word....
I'm tired of this. This thread is OVER.