14 days into flower... do they look OK ?

[Bulster]

Just a first timer with a tiny grow for my own medical needs.
I'm 14 days in, do they look like they're heading in the right direction?
Closest to the camera is Sour Diesel, further away it's MK-Ultra.
Any feedback, comments, thoughts or questions are welcome.

[killerweed420]

They look very healthy. What are you using for lights?

[EXP13]

Definitly looking good. Keep up the good work.

IMO, you should have did a SOG. You would have finished with a MUCH higher yield.

In the last picture, you see all that darkness near the bottom, that's no good. When you use the SOG method you create an even canopy and the light is utilized much more efficiently by the plant.

[Bulster]

Thanks, that's good for a first timer to hear.

Killerweed420: For the lights I am using 1 100 watt CFL (500w equivalent, roughly 6700 usable lumens) that's the one in the middle. Then at each corner I have a 100w equivalent (1650 lumens). So all in all not a whole lot, about 200 watts of CFL for a total of maybe 12000 lumens. My space is roughly 1.5 x 2 feet. I hope I'm not too badly underpowered.

EXP13: Maybe you're right, I read about LST so that's what I did, and still doing to try to even out the canopy more. Not as easy as it looks. What about SOG is it that guarantees you the even canopy? and how many plants would you put in a small space like this?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I agree with EXP13, but that is why you asked for our opinion, first time grow is always a learning grow. You also could have done TSA to increase your yeild.

Very nice job, but try SOG next time and compare the differance.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

sorry not TSA, LST is what I ment.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I did some math for your lumins, you are ok with what you have for 3 sq. ft., more would help with your yeild you may consider putting some t5 lights in the corners.

[EXP13]

Thanks, that's good for a first timer to hear.

Killerweed420: For the lights I am using 1 100 watt CFL (500w equivalent, roughly 6700 usable lumens) that's the one in the middle. Then at each corner I have a 100w equivalent (1650 lumens). So all in all not a whole lot, about 200 watts of CFL for a total of maybe 12000 lumens. My space is roughly 1.5 x 2 feet. I hope I'm not too badly underpowered.

EXP13: Maybe you're right, I read about LST so that's what I did, and still doing to try to even out the canopy more. Not as easy as it looks. What about SOG is it that guarantees you the even canopy? and how many plants would you put in a small space like this?

Personally I think you have enough light for your space. More is always better. But don't get too excited because temperatures will flare with each bulb you add to your cabinet. I think you simply need to optimize your light usage. In small spaces such as yours the best way to do it is via SOG (Sea of Green or Screen of Green, whatever.) setup.

With the traditional vertical growth and a cabinet setup with low light levels (less than the sun in aspect here) the lower portion of the plant begins to lose light as the upper portion continues to grow towards it. What begins to happen is the upper portion of the plant will begin to block off the light completely to the bottom of the plant. This causes any number of numerous issues with growth...Major stress factor.

What SOG method allows you to do is create more of a flat even canopy that is spread out in more of a latteral sense instead of vertically. SOG is actually quite simple and is also considered stress training. Sometimes you can get away with just placing a chickenwire fence over top of an already vertically grown plant and it will grow evenly and create the latteral canopy itsself and other times you will actually have to tie the plant down to the chicken wire as it grows through it...

The result, either way, is that the light is absorbed more evenly by more of the plant. This enables the plant to use more of the limited light much more efficiently. This will give you more growth from beginning to end GAURANTEED!

Chances are you can almost double or even tripple the yield you get from the plant you're currently growing by applying a SOG method on your next attempt...

PS- On another note, one of your plants pictured above is HIGHLY Sativa dominant. Sativa dominant plants are not reccommended for SOG setups because they don't have the short bushy genetics that the more Indica dominant plants do. Sativa dominant plants tend to grow tall as hell and flower in a traditional "christmas tree" like pattern...

Rest assured though, it's still possible and it will still produce better results than just letting it grow but it will be difficult to tame a Sativa dominant plant because it will keep growing like hell when you tie it down...:jointsmile:

[SimonMakus]

SOG = Sea of Green (many plants with little sidegrowth)
ScROG = Screen of Green (evening budsites by weaving/attaching through some type of screen)

You were right to LST them with your little bit of light - you'll do fine. They look good for only two weeks into flowering. Have fun and good luck with the back pain!

edit: There is so much beginner information on this forum I was (hypothetically) able to complete my first grow without ever posting a word. To know if you're on the right track, read through the grow logs to compare yours to others at a similar age.
:cool:

[Bulster]

Thanks for the encouragement and info, you guys rock!

I have done some reading in the past on SOG/SCROG, will definitely try that my next grow.
Right now I am battling a growing humidity problem. Got a mini dehumidifier (called a NewAir ADS-300, easy to find on google) coming in the mail. I hope it will make a difference but I may have to turn down my exhaust fan or I expect I will simply be replacing the drier air constantly with new moist air. This worries me a bit but it will only be during dark cycle when it's cooler and more moist in there so maybe the need for fresh air is not as critical compared to the light cycle when they are actually growing... at least that's what I'm hoping. Any thoughts on this are welcome.
Thanks again for all the tips.

[Bulster]

Oops, just found this leaf on one of my plants. Any idea what did that?

[silkyblue]

looks like a bugs et it! check the back of the leaf do you see mites?

Im no expert !

spray with drops of dish liquid, and other stuff for environ safe

you could prolly search here

Im sure some happy soul is just waitin to answer the same ol question

:rastasmoke::jointsmile:

[growbe]

I have grown sog, scrog and LST. LST for "me" is by far the best way to grow. Its a fair amount of work in tieing, but in the end it is worth it. With 5 gal pots, 6 week veg, I can get on ave 5-8 oz's dried per plant. Sog is also a lot of work in the sense that you have a bunch of pots that you have to water alot, turn, etc. You can pack then in and get great harvests. The great thing with sog is that you get more crops per year if you have a good mom. Scrog for me was a hassle. Once the screen is up, your plant's stay where it is (for the most part).
Your plants look great! Stick with one style, unless you get bored, and dial it in.

[PharmaCan]

Oops, just found this leaf on one of my plants. Any idea what did that?

You're the third or fourth person this week to post a similar picture. The general consensus seems to be that you are looking at physical damage to he leaf. Nothing to worry about.

PC :smokin:

[Bulster]

Here's a little update on my 200w pure CFL grow..... 2 x Sour Diesel and 2 x MK Ultra.
These pictures were taken at day 24 of flower.... what do you guys think?

Also, been thinking about changing out the CFL's with a 150w HPS. Any thoughts on how much that would improve my yield? or would it? More growth for slightly less electricity?
Many people claim 2-4 ounces for both ~200w cfl and 150w hps so is it worth the upgrade? Do you think this grow would look a lot different if I had been using an HPS to flower?

Just trying to make a cost/benefit decision....

Thanks, check out the pic's....