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Weedhound
10-16-2007, 09:41 PM
Ok....new log. Not all that exciting but there it is.....take it or leave it. :D These two are in Day 20 or 21 of bloom and are doing very well. They have stretched somewhat due to a few lighting issues beyond my control but that has actually worked to my benefit (so far....:cool:) because I've been wanting to see what would happen if I stretched them to see if it would keep me having to prune and tweak the leaves so much to let the light in. Seems to me it's six of one or half dozen of the other.....no real pruning needed but I'm going to need more space than usual as well so I'll decide after this grow which I want more. ;)
Right now my specs are:
spare corner of bedroom (as usual :wtf:)..about 4'x6' at present.
1kw hps in cool tube w 6 in inline 440cfm inline fan. With temps outside in the 50s the tube and light are staying down in the low 70's as opposed to a 10-15 degree swing in the heat of summer.
room temp: 60-78F
water temps..65-75
humidity....30-45%
Higromite rocks (glad to have them but h-e-a-v-y :()
Nute mix: R/O water/ approx 15 ppm start.
Cannazyme 5 ml/gal
CalMag 500ppm
PB Bloom 500ppm
L Karma 5ml/gal
Sweet 5ml/gal
and the numbers are coming up at about 1150-1200 (using hanna meter ;)). I will be switching to the bloom enhancer within a few days (I believe at the start of week four...day 28....but will have to reread quickly to be sure).
So far no problems that I see. I grew this strain once before and liked it very much. This time I'll try to let it go longer and see what happens at the end. :)
Here's the link to my old log just in case anyone wants to know the end of the rhino story. :wtf:
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/128511-raising-rhinos.html
Markass
10-17-2007, 01:55 AM
you've always got something interesting and delightful going, weedhound :thumbsup: another great one under way :stoned:
Weedhound
10-17-2007, 02:18 AM
Thanks Mark....someone has to keep the masses entertained until we can get you back on the growing field. :) ;)
Markass
10-17-2007, 11:56 AM
Thanks Mark....someone has to keep the masses entertained until we can get you back on the growing field. :) ;)
:) Once I get back from michigan at the beginning of the year with some wheels, I plan to get moved into my own place finally, it should be then around that time :thumbsup:
xcrispi
10-17-2007, 01:28 PM
Hey Sis .
Until we did the Snl x N.H - M/K had made the largest colas I'd ever grown in dirt .
Keep up the good work . :thumbsup:
Peace
Crispi :stoned:
Weedhound
10-17-2007, 05:08 PM
:) Once I get back from michigan at the beginning of the year with some wheels, I plan to get moved into my own place finally, it should be then around that time :thumbsup:
I have heard about this....the driving o' the Markass :eek: :D It'll be SO COOL to have YOUR OWN CAR!! :yippee:
Congrats! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
WH, looking forward to the log, which is timely for me. I am flowering a strange assortment of shorties right now in DWC bubblers (1 super skunk, 1 blueberry, 2 MK clones) along side 2 MK ex-moms in soil that I just moved out of veg since I need the room.
Kinda off topic, but can you describe your system? Looks like a recirc DWC from what I see. I am using DWC non-circ this time but will probably go to DWC recirc with a res to make pH, PPM, etc easier to manage. Do you drip at all.. or ???
Thanks!
MVP :D
Weedhound
10-17-2007, 09:04 PM
Hi MVP.....i should have listed that spec actually so my bad for forgetting to say what the system is. It's a waterfarm setup (dripring) with a central res and I run four plants at a time off it. I'm doing a perpetual harvest type thing.....not really a SOG and not really a perpetual harvest either but I usually end up harvesting something every 4-6 weeks. There are actually 2 central rez that I run two plants each off of....they are at different ages with different nute needs so helps to have seperate rezes imo. Right now I am behind with some of my seedlings....had some ph issues etc that put me behind schedule but I have 2 female sour northern lights x nevillle's haze that a friend gave me that I keep in seperate waterfarms in another room with cfl lighting. They are about three weeks old now and when I turn them (in about two weeks) I will start two more female seeds and so on.....
I grew the MK's before and really like them.....both the yield and the final product. What do you think of it?
I grew the MK's before and really like them.....both the yield and the final product. What do you think of it?
While this last grow (the one with the self harvesting cola :eek: ) is my first one in over 10 years, I actually picked up the MK some time ago then vegged them into big 'ol moms since I wanted to have plentiful cuts. From what I've experienced so far the MK's cloned very nicely for me and since I put them in 12/12 a couple weeks ago they've flowered impressively too. MK seems to be tolerant of me as I shake the years of rust of my gardening skills.
Sooooo... I've decided to include them as 1 of my 4 mothers: Black Domina and Master Kush for my indicas, then Blueberry and Super Skunk for my hybrids. Anyhow, I am looking to your grow log here to kinda 'see into the future' as I am a couple of weeks behind you, but I'm sure we can share experiences and have fun doing so. :D
MVP
Weedhound
10-19-2007, 06:05 PM
The MK's do seem to be a happy bunch and i quite remember enjoying the smoke from them.....no harshness at ALL and a nice hashy type flavor. I will keep an eye on your Black Dominas since that is a strain I'd like to try some day.
I got some feminized BB seeds from a very good friend but have not found the BB to my liking too much......too many issues with growing and the final product was a little TOO couchlock for me.....a very heavy duty stone.
I'm doing seeds instead of clones simply because there are way too many varieties out there to pick just one. Which ones have you grown that you've liked? That gives me an idea for another thread.
Weedhound
10-19-2007, 08:59 PM
Thought I'd do a brief (haha) update on my MK's. They are looking and doing great.....ppms are up to 1200 and not a real flaw on either plant; both looking very gorgeous and happy; growing very well.
So just to screw with things I checked how well the draining was with the roots coming out the bottom (in higromite rocks) To my surprise I discovered that at day24/bloom I am already seeing some PRETTY DAMN large root masses coming out the bottom.....all very white and healthy.....and did I mention PRETTY DAMN LARGE??? :eek: It seems to me that whether the holes are 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch or ONE inch those damn roots are going to STILL grow into beasts and clog the holes. I can just see a 8 inch wide taproot coming out the bottom of my hydro setup....if I HAD AN 8 INCH HOLE I THOROUGHLY BELIEVE IT WOULD. :wtf:
So I went ahead and drilled side holes. A ton of them. All over. I could tell that there were already dead roots and fert buildup in the bottoms of the buckets because I then flushed both plants heavily with ph'd ro water. I then measured the runoff. The ph was 5.7 (same ph as the water went in at) but the ppms of the water had gone from 15 to 350. That's ALOT of fert salts etc sitting in there.
Rhizome....I can't prove it but I think the clogging is the answer here. I would never have thought of it without the info you provided me with on the higromite and silica. Thanks. :thumbsup:
PS...aren't you glad this is the BRIEF version. :D
Weedhound
10-23-2007, 09:51 PM
Doing very well....seem to have taken a jump since drilling new holes and flushing. PPM's are up to 1300 and would like to get them up to 1400 by the end of the week. ;)
Weedhound
10-23-2007, 10:05 PM
Happy plants come from California. :thumbsup:
Love your MKs... mine are blowing up here (despite the fires here and its 93F :confused:), but I have too many rooted cuts now. I guess that is a good problem to have? Hmmm, what to do............
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 12:45 AM
MVP I think you should send those poor little things to me immediately and I will give them their honered due :D
Been reading about the fires....REALLY bad....used to live in So Cal....San Gabriel Valley and the Riverside area. Where are you?
MVP I think you should send those poor little things to me immediately and I will give them their honered due :D
Been reading about the fires....REALLY bad....used to live in So Cal....San Gabriel Valley and the Riverside area. Where are you?
I'm behind the Orange Curtain, so sending them is out of the question. However like any good restaurant, pickup is available :)
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 01:19 AM
Well keep those little puppies safe from the fires.....and yourself as well. I hear it's not getting any better down there.....everyone evacuating. Fire seasons just ended (yesterday!) up here in the northern part of the state.
OLDE ENGLISH '800
10-24-2007, 01:21 AM
looks promising :thumbsup:
Th3 sand m4n
10-24-2007, 01:34 AM
mmmhh master kush... drool :jointsmile:
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 01:38 AM
Thanks for stopping by Olde English. :)
I think I got about 3 oz per plant last time I grew the MK BUT I harvested at about 7 weeks instead of letting the plant finish the way I should have. ;) I have, thankfully, since learned to be more patient and expect a better yield this grow. :stoned:
Here's one of the ones I grew before.
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 01:41 AM
mmmhh master kush... drool :jointsmile:
:) :thumbsup:
Yeah WH, I used to live in Carmel, Walnut Creek and SF. But ever since my road trip up the north coast I've been thinking about checking out Mendo or Humboldt. Although I am a wine junkie too, so Sonoma/Napa is cool and tempting, but too pricey for me...
OLDE ENGLISH '800
10-24-2007, 01:46 AM
yeah thats my biggest problem waiting :D
Markass
10-24-2007, 03:38 AM
weedhound, you're safe and sound from the wildfires out that way aren't you??
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 04:09 AM
Yes...we're WAY away from that thank god. We've actually had a bit of rain since the summer and everything is getting nice and green again. They called the end of fire season but then changed it because of the fires in So Cal. It allows them to keep the seasonal firefighters around longer and send alot of their regulars down south where they are needed.
How's the weather in your area? You' guys had had your own weather-related cattastrophes recently as well....
Markass
10-24-2007, 12:31 PM
things are cooling down now, 40's-50's in the morning...getting cold and crap, I hate it..
Weedhound
10-24-2007, 07:05 PM
Oh I like the cold.....but not TOO cold....but I'll take that over hot weather ANY day. I want to live in a mall where I can just go to the master thermostat and adjust the temp any way I want it. ;)
Rock.Steady
10-28-2007, 05:45 AM
Happy plants come from California. :thumbsup:
LOL, I LUV THAT!
reminds me of those silly milk comercials i saw when i lived there.
was just out to SF for a week, had some MK (and Raspberry, and Power Plant) my associate got from the club. VERRRY nice!
and he's got all kindsa space, plus land, plus a barn....thinkin of maybe movin back west and use my new found skills for the clubs:wtf:
Nice Grow WH!:thumbsup:
Rock.
Weedhound
10-28-2007, 04:09 PM
SF ain't too far from me. Could use some good "farming" neighbors. ;)
zebulon
10-30-2007, 03:52 PM
Hmm....nice Mk's:thumbsup:, how many days are left before harvesting???
Weedhound
10-30-2007, 04:02 PM
Hi Zebulan, thanks for stopping by
They are at day 35 so probably another four-ish weeks to go. Already has some trichomes popping out quicker than some of the oher strains I've grown so am hoping for a big STICKY harvest. :D
zebulon
10-30-2007, 04:13 PM
Well i hope too that you will have some nice sticky buds for harvest...;) I saw that you had a buleberry recently. How was the high and the taste of it??? Did it really had some buleberry aroma??
Weedhound
10-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Mine did not.....I really have yet to find plants that REALLY do smell like chocolate or blueberry and taste that way. Mine always seems to smell and tast the like pot, haha.
Maybe it's ME and the way I grow them. :wtf:
My last blueberry was super couchlock....but not as bad as the white rhinos (which also smelled and tasted like pot :D). I'd like to start getting away from the indicas....they are REALLY slowing me down.....and move to some (hopefully) quicker-flowering sativas or sativa mixes.
What strains do you like?
zebulon
10-30-2007, 04:34 PM
I don't really like that couchlock feeling...I like the happy kind stuff..I had a few years ago 5 plants outdoor ,4 was dutch-passion's Trance and 1 DP's power plant. I really liked the PP, it had such a great high,lots of nice sticky resin:).... i want to grow PP next year...
Weedhound
10-30-2007, 04:40 PM
I agree about the couchlock.....never had "too much" couchlock before I started growing my own. I've been looking for some new strains to try.....and have been eyeing the power plant. Was the high nice and up? I'm looking for "energizing" type strains. How was the yield and was it hard to grow? I've got my eye on that one and one called Dutch Dragon. Ever heard of that one?
WH, sounds like you should try a hybrid like Super Skunk. I've got one 'shorty' in flower right now along with a 4 foot mom that I'm gonna take a bunch of cuts off of and grow a couple of SS trees this next cycle. I know its a long trip from there to socal but I always seem to have a couple of extra healthy lil cuts each time I head into a new cycle. I still have a couple of MK cuts that are sitting in the window sill like ornamentals, in DIRT of all things!
BTW, the Blueberry I harvested last week stinks like, well.... blueberry. It was a pain to grow and the yield is a bit light, but it sure does smell yummy. Shouldn't be too couchlock since I cut her down on the beginning part of my harvest window.
MVP :jointsmile:
zebulon
10-30-2007, 05:02 PM
Dutch Dragon?? nah...i don't know that strain.And yes, the PP had real nice up high ,and for me it was energizing. i picked it in the middle of the flowering , and it had a low % of CBD and CBN. But i grew it outdoor , and organic so i don't know how it grows indoor...The yield was not too big 100-200g ,and it was easy to grow.. Btw. are you a MMJ grower or you grow just for yourself???
zebulon
10-30-2007, 05:18 PM
Hey MVP....any pics. of that BlueBerry ???
Zeb/WH, here's what I can show ya after 3 days hanging. Kinda sorry pics, all I have is a 1 megapixel camera off ebay for $20.
Anyhow, great aroma, really sticky too. OK thats it I'm done hijacking yer thread WH...
:)
MVP
zebulon
10-30-2007, 06:29 PM
Looks really nice:thumbsup:, you lucky man:D
Weedhound
10-30-2007, 07:43 PM
MVP I've grown 2 blueberries...neither one smelliing like blueberry EVER lol and one I picked at the the begining of the harvest windown (about 10% amber) and the second at about 40% amber and what a HUGE difference in the couchlock effect. No difference in the smell though. :
How is the high on that super skunk? I hear that one's a great yielder but always thought it wasn't very strong stuff......maybe because of the commercial talk I hear about skunk. How strong is the smell as its flowering.....is it one of those that just TAKES over your house like catpiss or one of those?
Zebulon I'm GOING for that power plant!!! Thanks. ;)
PS...may try dutch dragon also......:)
PS....nope the growing is just for the family....:jointsmile:
rhizome
10-30-2007, 08:22 PM
How is the high on that super skunk? I hear that one's a great yielder but always thought it wasn't very strong stuff......maybe because of the commercial talk I hear about skunk. How strong is the smell as its flowering.....is it one of those that just TAKES over your house like catpiss or one of those?
Zebulon I'm GOING for that power plant!!!
My Mass Super Skunk's would make your eyes tear- def smell issues. Can't speak for the related strains.
Power Plant rocks- Funny, I recently had a conversation w/ a commercial guy who'd just finished PP for the first time- He had the same impression going in that you have of the skunk - " can't be all that, it's a commercial cultivar".
He was pleasantly surprised.
Sorry I haven't checked in much- very busy. I am watching, but I don't log in unless I have something to say.
I like the buzz from SS as it isn't the heavy indica kick-yer-ass-into-the-couch-all-night type of high. It gives me a zippy, lets-get-some-stuff-done type of buzz so I can enjoy the high and also get things accomplished around the house at the same time.
As far as my grow, the strain and its potency - I'll have to report back to you sometime in December when the lil gal is done flowering; she is so cute - 1/2 inch shy of 2 ft tall but flowers galore. As far as smell, dunno since I'm running an exterior vented 449 CFM Vortex with an 8" x 20" carbon filter/scrubber (in a closet 4' x 2.5' x 8' tall) that is so WWAAAAAYYYYYYYY overbuilt it is ridiculous! :D
Weedhound
10-31-2007, 05:30 AM
Hey Rhizome....good to see you.:) Missed you around the boards....damn life for hogging all your time. :D Hope all is well with you and yours. :thumbsup:
Well that's it then....Im going for the power plant and most likely also some dutch dragon.
I don't have anything really set up for real odor control MVP....we're in a pretty quiet area....not a lot of folks around but last time I grew something really reeky (catpiss) I was honestly just sorry on general principles. :wtf:
Rock.Steady
10-31-2007, 06:18 AM
Power Plant?
that chit Fn Rocks!!!
had some in SF couple weeks ago, great "up", perfect daytime companion!:thumbsup:
zebulon
10-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Well nice to hear that you are going for the power plant...but i think you should buy the dutch-passion's power plant. They have another strain that could be a nice one too...its called Sacra Frasca...hybrid between Power Plant and Skunk Passion...it says.:"Very potent and energetic uphigh".
DUTCH-PASSION (http://www.dutch-passion.nl/home.php?p=exterior&l=en)
Weedhound
10-31-2007, 04:36 PM
Seems to be unaminous.....Zebulon that dutch passion WAS the one I was looking at and will go for. ;)
Rock...that's what I wanted to hear. Thanks :jointsmile:
WH, what is it gonna be? Sacra Frasca or Power Plant? Or both?
I'm gonna have to scour the co-ops to see if there are any cuts available. I seem to be too impatient to grow from seed anymore...
MVP
Weedhound
10-31-2007, 05:07 PM
I LOVE growing from seed! Watching those little beans burst their jackets just makes my day :thumbsup: And ALL the different ones to try......MVP when I was young (in 1926 :eek:) you had NONE of the choices, selections and possibilities we have now in the ganja world. Jeez...there's a SEEDBAY for chrissakes, know what I mean? What I wouldn't have done to be able to order ganja seeds (whatever kind I choose) in the mail. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
I guess cloning doesn't appeal to me at this point because I enjoy growing.....but on a smaller scale. :)
Yeah, I will have to rediscover my inner seed self once I get bored with my strains. I grow for personal MMJ needs only and cloning shortens my cycles so that is the reason for cuts. If I had more room to enjoy my gardening I would be inclined to do the seed thing again - after all that is how I did my first 3 grows and they turned out good - albeit 10, uh... I mean... 15 years ago or so... :eek:
zebulon
11-03-2007, 04:54 PM
Hy WH;)... any new pics. of those MK's ??????
dejayou30
11-03-2007, 05:23 PM
They looked great in those last pictures. I was going to get some pics of my 6 MK's up but my camera doesn't like the HPS lighting or something and makes black lines run across all the pics!
Weedhound
11-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Deja....hps takes TERRIBLE pics....I have to turn it off and take the photos with regular light.
Thanks for the kind words you guys. I will try to get some pics up soon. They are looking great ! :)
Weedhound
11-07-2007, 08:33 PM
Big R; Buddy, Pal :D :D :D
You mentioned in another of my threads (the Rhino one) about e.c/ppm and "saturation" You said something about seeing a change...."a blip" in the trend and at that point...you have 'saturation."
One of my MK's is almost finished.....at 43-44 days. :wtf: It's as healthy as can be...looks gorgeous...but I swear the trichs are all cloudy w/ 5% amber; the buds are HEAVILY sugared and about 60-70% of the calyxes are swollen up....anad probably the same amount of red pistils. How common is this type of thing; does anyone know? My second MK is DEFINITELY several weeks away from finishing....and growing like a f*ucking tree. The breeders recommendation for the MKs is 8-9 weeks so I don't get why the one is almost finished at 6.?????:eek:
Ok, sorry, back on track. In monitoring the ppms on the finishing plant I've noticed in the last day or two what I BELIEVE to be 'blip." :cool: My numbers were at 1350-ish and generally stayed the same...neither up nor down.
In the last few days on THIS plant I've noticed reduced uptake.....the ppm is starting to rise slowly and I'm having to dilute the number down or it would climb to 1500 which is my limit. Does this sound like 'the blip" to you and should I honestly be thinking about flushing this plant at day 43?
Thanks for any words of growhead wisdom. :)
rhizome
11-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Tare out any environmental changes which would change water/nute uptake ratios to be sure- ie, drop in humidity will lead to water/n ratio increase- but it sounds like you're there.
Cut way back for a day or two and watch yer #'s- if you don't see an EC plummet, then yer good to go.
Finish times distribute over a Bell curve- you could easily have one that's done. Keep an eye on it for a couple days and watch for a second wave of calyx development before you call it done.
Yer watching your numbers- that's hot.:D
Weedhound
11-08-2007, 05:59 PM
Tare out any environmental changes which would change water/nute uptake ratios to be sure- ie, drop in humidity will lead to water/n ratio increase- but it sounds like you're there.
Cut way back for a day or two and watch yer #'s- if you don't see an EC plummet, then yer good to go.
Finish times distribute over a Bell curve- you could easily have one that's done. Keep an eye on it for a couple days and watch for a second wave of calyx development before you call it done.
Yer watching your numbers- that's hot.:D
I got my eye on them numbers Dickie C. :D:D ;)
Nothing else has changed as far as room specs so I will do as you say and watch things.....thanks Rhiz.
Hey...I'm watching a guy on another site growing 3 foot plants in six inch RW cubes. Have you seen this done? He's talking about ruining the theory of rootboundness....have you heard anything about this kind of thing? Seem you could get better use of space with the plants under a light if they are in 6' rw cubes.
Weedhound
11-08-2007, 06:48 PM
Ok....here they are. The one in the first pic is the one that's almost finished.....I will try to get some trich pics later today to show where they are at on that plant. It's funny but the red pistils never seem to show up very strongly in the pics I take with this camera so it makes the plant look less along than it is. :wtf:
The second one is definitely several weeks away and still growing happily. :thumbsup:
I LOVE the scent and look of these Master Kush plants. I was worried that the dark green leaves were a result of too much nitrogen so I lowered the level to 5ml/gallon (rhiz ;)) but then read that the MK's are known for their characteristically (sp?) dark green leaves and piney scent. The only complaint I have about these plants so far is the instability of them....which may be a result of poor breeding but I have definitely had some issues with unstable gowing patterns and results with this group of seeds. :wtf:
rhizome
11-08-2007, 07:23 PM
Hey...I'm watching a guy on another site growing 3 foot plants in six inch RW cubes. Have you seen this done? He's talking about ruining the theory of rootboundness....have you heard anything about this kind of thing? Seem you could get better use of space with the plants under a light if they are in 6' rw cubes.
Done it- no problem. Root/shoot ratios and media/biomass ratios are differant in hydro.
Have finished three footers in 4" blocks NFT- many, many times.
Used to keep my moms in 6" Cultilene- worked like a charm. 3' ain't nothing- if I didn't get in there to mow for a week or two, they'd make 5'.
Biggest problem is stuff falling over as the block loses weight/ dries out. In NFT rig, blocks fit pretty tightly into rails.
Looks like I'm picking up an Omega- based on 3"X3" X2.5" grodan. They'll finish at 2.5".
Might hang on to it, might flip it- not sure.
Rock.Steady
11-08-2007, 07:25 PM
LOL, ironically, i scored some MK last night!
dis chit iz da shizzle:stoned:
Weedhound
11-08-2007, 10:22 PM
Did I mention to you guys that I've ordered some power plant and white widow feminized seeds? They are on the way......:thumbsup:
Just turned my SNL x NH today and started some new seeds...1 Church and 1 of my cotton candy mixes that was SO yieldful last time. ;)
Omega....never heard of that one. Have to go give it a google. Nice of you to offer a home to a poor needy plant Rhiz. :D
PS...so as far as growing in teeny places are you saying that while it will work in hydro it won't work in soil due to the different ratios?
Weedhound
11-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Having trouble getting good tric pics again....I need to go back over and restudy what Rock told me about the camera :cool:
They're looking pretty done to me on this one plant. ;) Rhiz....I took the number back to 600....by evening was up to 700....dilluted back down to 580 and this am at 598. Ph going up slowly....not really quick or abormally to me.
Should I continue to dilute back to a certain number (I chose 600 for no real reason) or should I let the number climb?
Shovelhandle
11-09-2007, 05:32 PM
Those are nice looking plants, Weedhound.
Looks like you are getting some pro advice on this thread too. I can't wait to see the final results.
Shov
rhizome
11-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Keep it under a K- if she's pretty much done eating, you might just want to move to a flush.
Omega's a rig, not a plant- google " Omega Garden".
Weedhound
11-10-2007, 06:20 PM
https://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=175&product_id=3
Haha I thought it some exotic strain you were getting from far away Bangkok or something. :D
This thing looks HARD to keep in order.....like everything would grow right out of control pretty quick if you weren't watching carefully. That aside.....this would look EXTREMELY COOL in the corner of our bedroom. :thumbsup:
I'm starting to like the sound of a flush...she doesn't seem to be eating anything and is continuing to finish at the same speed she's shown all through flower.......it's as though she thinks she's in a race or something. :wtf:
rhizome
11-10-2007, 06:27 PM
[url] That aside.....this would look EXTREMELY COOL in the corner of our bedroom. :thumbsup:
Funny- I was saying the same thing to my wife, and she just kinda looked at me funny...:wtf:
If you've got a way fast finisher, and all other factors ( potency, yeild, etc) are in order, ya might wanna reveg her... just sayin'.
Weedhound
11-10-2007, 06:40 PM
You might mention one of the desktop models for the bedroom.....save the large one for the centerpiece of your living room decor....:D
It's funny you said that about being in order....it DOES seem to be....just at fast forward speed. I WILL say I think yield has been affected.....I believe the other plant will produce double this one will but I WAS just looking at that plant and thinking that for something that flowered as QUICK as it did the yield will probably be pretty good....I'm guessing perhaps 3 oz-ish. Would you consider this a plus or a minus?
I am, however, waiting for a good, dry subjective bioassay sample to confirm my findings. :D
dejayou30
11-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Awesome pics Weedhound! Its nice to have something to compare mine to when they get there. They are only at day 29 right now.
rhizome
11-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Well- the smaller yeild is easy to make up by just running more...
( Ya want more? Just make more...)
Esp. if the pheno occupies less floor space @ finish than median.
If the quicker flower is going to allow you to run 6 week instead of 8, you can get several more cycles a year out of the same space- g/w/m...
It's a plus if yer running straight-out 365 in flower- but if you need to tie up flower space vegging, advantage may be the other way.
Rock.Steady
11-11-2007, 02:54 AM
dam nice pics hound!:thumbsup:
get crackalackin with that bioassy:D
bioassys are fun:stoned:
rhiz, u always say stuff that amazes me:wtf:
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 03:07 AM
I'm definitely fond enough of this strain to "want more" based on my subjective bioassay (done today ;)):thumbsup::thumbsup: sticky STICKy stuff. I see why its used to make hash with.....thiis could be one I might like to try cloning with for my first time as well.
What's involved exactly in revegging? I've honestly never even read up on because I never considered doing it.
Which brings up another thing X-C and were "hashing" over (thank you thank you :D)
I have a nice large pre-wired reflector that I'd love to get a 400w MH bulb and ballast for. It has 4" holes for venting but the way I'd have to set it up would be without any ducting because it would have to be something that I could take down easily. All the 4inch fans I see a pretty low cfms....how much heat does a 400w mh bulb put out?
Deja.....this stuff is COVERED with resin which is coating itself all over my pipe and doesn't want to come off easily even with rubbing alcohol. AWESOME!! :thumbsup::jointsmile:
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 03:14 AM
Rock.....speaking of bioassays....that thai of yours......???
rhizome
11-11-2007, 03:24 AM
400 mh isn't throwing much heat- 50-100 cfm sucking cross the bulb would be plenty to minimize hotspot. Prob get away w/ a lot less- muffin fan?
Only time I ever bothered cooling a 400mh I was using a 6" duct booster w/ maybe 6" of 4" flexi and a reducer between ref and fan- way under 70cfm throughput. Top of reflector maybe ambient +7F- plants growing up onto glass w/ no issues.
Just gonna blow the heat out into the room?
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 03:36 AM
muffin??? Now I'm hungry.....yes, into the room...large open room....living room/kitchen. . The only trick is, as I said it would need to be workable (not too hot for the room) but also something I can take down easily in a pinch.... I remember my 1k mh (same reflector) absolutely BLEW AWAY a smaller room (maybe 1/3 size) with the heat.
X-C was talking about some of the $25 at home depot....but he felt I should go with a six inch which would requite screws and things according to him.
rhizome
11-11-2007, 03:38 AM
What's involved exactly in revegging? I've honestly never even read up on because I never considered doing it.
Essentially you're trying to convince the plant that it went through a fall ( reproductive) season, then got through the winter/short day season without a hard (killing) frost- come " spring" it'll start to veg again.
In practice- you leave a small amount of bud material on the plant, put it back into a veg lighting cycle ( reduced intensity is fine, often beneficial), feed it very lightly, and watch for new growth- you'll see some elongated calyx development, then single blade stress leaves, then normal veg growth. Takes a month or two, depending on plant, strain, degree of harvest sesenence, etc.
Always had best luck leaving miminal, lower- the more flower mass remaining ( generating hormones), the longer the trans period. Need to leave enough to not kill plant- seat of the pants typa thing.
Read up on it-
Rock.Steady
11-11-2007, 03:51 AM
Rock.....speaking of bioassays....that thai of yours......???
funny u should ask.
Betty and I were just talking about u:jointsmile:
http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/bioassy.JPG
hung for about 10 days, and got too dry too fast.
jarred the other day and got drier, ultra crispy.
i put a piece of celery in jar yesterday cause its all i had in fridge.
took it out today and whole batch is freshened.
still smells too fresh, lil harsh, but a very up n peppy high.
total head high, almost energizing , and creeps up on ya after a while.
i like it alot.
i think prolly shoulda waited another week or 2, but this is pretty good for my 1st shot:D
im hopin i can make it last long enuf to cure better, but, im a :stoned:head and its awesome to know its MINE!:D
rhizome
11-11-2007, 04:06 AM
muffin??? Now I'm hungry.....
X-C was talking about some of the $25 at home depot....but he felt I should go with a six inch which would requite screws and things according to him.
Muffin fans (http://n-g-w.com/ngw/gardening_supplies.aspx?request=DAYTON_AXIAL_FANS&title=Fans%20/%20Blowers%20/%20Ducting&type=product)- Nice, light, quiet...
I think he's talking about the same fan I used, more or less- involved 4"x6" reducer, aluminum HVAC tape. No screws that I remember, but I've been into the bubble...:jointsmile:
rhizome
11-11-2007, 04:08 AM
funny u should ask.
Betty and I were just talking about u:jointsmile:
HooHaaH!
Party at Rock's place!!!!!
Rock.Steady
11-11-2007, 04:13 AM
HooHaaH!
Party at Rock's place!!!!!
my scholorly-botanical wizard friend!
please sir, indulge!:jointsmile:
i bought that piece in frisco, just for Betty.:thumbsup:
thick n heavy, will never break, can prolly use as a weapon:wtf:
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 04:26 AM
If I can get away with a four inch fan I'm going to go for it!!! The cfls are decent but I have SEEN THE LIGHT (ha ha :D) and miss my mh for vegging. Plus with that I'd have enough room lightwise to reveg the Mk. I'll read up on this for sure tomorrow. ;) Thanks Rhiz..:)
Rock....are you having visions from that stuff??? Hallucinated anything like giant bongs raining down or anything?? :jointsmile: :stoned:
Rock.Steady
11-11-2007, 04:43 AM
hehehe, life is good tonite:smokin:
gnite folks;)
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 04:58 AM
Congratulations Rock....and you really DID show the patience of Job ;) Now its YOUR turn to run around and start answering noob questions.....the price one pays...:D
rhizome
11-11-2007, 05:04 AM
hehehe, life is good tonite:smokin:
gnite folks;)
...and another angel gets his/her wings...
Weedhound
11-11-2007, 04:58 PM
...and another angel gets his/her wings...
Hey I really like that Rhizome....:thumbsup: Rock's right....you DO say cool things....:):jointsmile:
xcrispi
11-11-2007, 05:44 PM
Morning guys ,
I like Rhizomes idea too -Hows about 1 of these lil guys , nice -n- compact too . Or even 2 , 1 pushing -n- 1 pulling thru the old M/H Hood ? Plug n play w/ no b/s comp power supply .
Reaper turned me onto these ppl. inadvertenly when I made that lil clone veg cabinet a while back . This 1 is like 4 3/4 in. square and moves 106 cfm for $18.00 . They move much more air than the inductors we were all talking about too .
Mechatronics 120x120x38mm High Speed AC Fan w/ 36in Power Cord "UF12A12-BTHR" (http://www.coolerguys.com/840556069003.html)
Peace Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:
xcrispi
11-11-2007, 05:58 PM
HIJACK !!!!!!!!
Rhizome ,
Does Nat. Garden Whol. not deal w/ gen public ? I couldn't find prices on the 6" in. axial fans . Our 6" in. inductors on a 15 on 15 off schedule already n moaning = about time to bury it . The axials do make more cfm / or the inductors are rated w/ your furnaces blower in behind it = false adv. / fine print ? :stoned:
Can you get them or carry them ?
G/B you and yours
Crispi :jointsmile:
Weedhound
11-13-2007, 11:38 PM
And has crossed the (sharp :D) finish line. Due to few things to come up in the last week (healthwise here and there) I went ahead and harvested the quickie.
I will try to get some pics out tomorrw. I'm thinking about 3 oz....;)
This plant was DEFINITELY finished. :thumbsup:
What ratio milky to amber did you end up with on the speedracer? I think I have the same phenomenon going on right now.
Weedhound
11-14-2007, 02:04 AM
I'm sure you told me but are you growing MK's MVP? I ended up with about 30% amber and the rest cloudy. I'm very happy with the buzz of these as well....nice and relaxing without having to drag my ass off the couch like with those white rhinos.
LOTS of lovely trim as well. :thumbsup:
I have 2 MK in hydro and 2 former MK moms in dirt. The hydros are really sugar coated and the tops look swollen but triches just getting cloudy and no amber yet. They look and smell beautiful though.
Weedhound
11-15-2007, 08:12 PM
Mine kind of did the same thing.....the one that finished anyway.....stayed milky for quite awhile at the end then all of a sudden started to turn quick. All that sugar you're seeing on there weighed out VERY nicely for me after drying.....the MK is good stuff but just too unpredictable.
PS...my other MK is still ambling along....its definitely going to be awhile before that one finishes.
rhizome
11-16-2007, 01:52 AM
Who's MK are you running, anyway? The Sensi stuff usually doesn't have a whole lotta variation cross the strain...
Got yer e-mail. ;)
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 01:57 AM
Good Rhiz about e-mail...;) ......the company doesn't specify but based on that statement alone its probably not sensi then.....
I'm REALLY starting to see the importance of good and stable breeding....:eek:. And I honestly NEVER thought I would say that but I AM finding it to make a difference. :wtf: :)
rhizome
11-16-2007, 02:41 AM
Iff'n it was House of Sensi, they'd be letting ya know...
White Label ( Sensi's budget line) MK's an F1- sounds like somebody ran it off and released the F2- if you paid less than $7 US per seed, it's a knockoff...
If I'm right, yer seeing classic pheno variation in the F2 gen-
Should point out that the very nice individual that you've already cut would not have existed in the F1- F2 is often the gen to select moms from, if you're in a position to flower out (while retaining cuts) enough individuals to find the very special freaks:thumbsup:
But if ya wanna know what yer getting before ya even get the seed wet-
Not so much.
I'm always kinda skeptical of seed vendor/ breeder claims- Only a very few of the older houses breed on a scale that's going to provide any kind of stabilization. Given the relative grey area of the feild in terms of trademark/IP law (people who are already breaking the law of whatever country they're in rarely care about trademarks, and customers rarely sue for damages), there's no good reason for folks to be honest.
F'rinstance, actual MK from Sensi/WL is going to be the progeny of two individuals who have been chosen from a large population and worked in a multiple (100s) cutting system, assuring consistancy. MK from, say, the Rhizome Super Seed Collection is going to be the progeny of whatever I happened to be working with ( certainly not the two parents that Sensi uses- they spent a bunch of cash developing those, and they're not giving them away- unless I'm a real @sshole, and physically stole cuttings from them ( which has happened:wtf:))-
Maybe some MK that I bought from Sensi-
Maybe some MK that I bought from somebody else-
Maybe individuals from the populations that I thought MK's parents hailed from-
Maybe I just have a bunch of labels already printed up that say MK, so I'm just slapping them on whatever's under the couch...-
It's all about the breeder's rep, and how important that rep is to them...
Anyway, long ramble... No offense meant to small breeders, just saying that the nature of small populations makes for difficulty in stabilizing phenotype...Lotta great stuff comes from small houses, but for rock solid repeatability it's hard to beat the folks who work on hundred acre seedplots...
On the other hand, the really crazy elites that get shipped about as " clone only" are almost always from smaller houses- that's where they shine...:thumbsup:
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 03:12 AM
Well I think I have to agree with you as far as stability. Part of my problem is that I'm a VERY paranoid soul about buying things off the internet.....and frankly I'm not really talking about seedbanks. I'm talking about your GENERAL ordering off private companies or E-bay or whatever. As a rule that kind of ordering sucks (which is a REAL bummer since I live 1/2 hours's drive away from the nearest supermarket...) so I tend to go with what I know (online) and have had success with in the past.....especially when, as you say Rhiz, your ability to have ANY control over your seed order is pretty nil. Now I am coming to the point that you are talking about where good breeding and stability are becoming a much more important factor for me which is going to make things tougher. Before I just wanted to try all the different things out there (and still do) but with a smaller garden going I don't have the extra plants to grow off in weird directions....I want my grows to be more.....predicatable.
Now I have to go learn about all the breeders........:cool:
WH, did you happen to take cuts from the speed demon before she came down? Or are you gonna try to re-veg her? Sounds like an interesting possibility... and you know I like clones so no surprise in my commentary. It would be cool to have a Speeder, or very special freak as Rhizome called 'er, that could flower in 45 days or so...
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 04:27 AM
I gave that some honest thought when Rhiz first suggested it but I rejected the idea based mostly on the fact that I'm just not ready to put together a setup of ANY kind for another plant and am just not willing to do the work involved. I DO like the MK.....but not enough to to create the situation needed to keep the plant or clones. Our house is SOOOO small......and I've already got plants popping out of the spare bedroom AND the living room so I decided I just had to let the opportunity go. :(
Well it was a great experience to live thru (vicariously), so now its a fun story to tell while sitting in front of the campfire passing one around... gone but not forgotten :)
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 04:49 AM
I am still looking for my perfect "baby." I'm dying to try the power plant and ww feminized I've ordered and just wasn't ready to "commit" to one......sigh. i know my hydro guy thinks I'm crazy ("you still grow from seeds? EVERY time?") but I'm just not ready......:cool:
My Black Domina is such a beauty, she is my "baby". All of that said, the Super Skunk is less than 2/3 the size of my MK's with at least the same amout of buds...
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 05:46 AM
I think the skunk would be a litte too "smelly" for me but I'm still DYING to try that Black Domina. Got any pics?
Whats the flowering time on that strain and whats the high like?
The BD (early harvest, aka the self harvesting bud) is heady and intense with a little body that creeps. I got 4 oz. off 2 plants barely getting it right. They are such forgiving little girls. If it went full tilt to 80/20 cloudy/amber it would probably be really heady AND medium-heavy body. My next cycle is gonna be all BD with my ph/ppm/temps all in alignment so it will be a great harvest. I always have leftover cuts and it breaks my heart they are such beauties! You should get in touch sometime, check my siggy or myspace page....
Weedhound
11-16-2007, 06:24 AM
If we head to So Cal I will remember you......sounds like a nice plant. Am I correct in thinking that the yield was lower on that then some of the other indicas?
Have you ever seen one called the spirit of 76?
Weedhound
11-19-2007, 01:26 AM
So one of my SNL x NH was getting a potassium def.....same exact look as on the rhinos. The are only 1 week into flower. I'm growing in 2/3 higromite rocks and 1/3 hydroton (had some old broken in stuff so tossed it in) and the other plant looked perfectly fine.....no problems with it all.
I already had a set of side holes drilled in buckets but I went ahead and added a second line of them; then flushed both plants with ph'd water. On the plant with the problems the runoff went in at 5.8 and came out at ph 6.3....with a ppm of 105 (starting at 15). The second plant came out pretty much the same except ph was 6.1.
Since flushing and improving drainage the k def has stopped on the affected plant and (i may be imagining this) it seems to me that some of the newer plants sections are actually losing their yellow spots and returning to normal......JUST on the last affected leaves but I CERTAINLY take that as a plus! (older leaves look the same and i'm not really expecting a change there)
I feel GREAT about working that problem out....it was driving me CRAZY and to see it start right up with the new set of plants just about sent me through the roof!!
I have to hand it to Rhizome for this one AND to X-C who taught me that a power drill can be a hydro grower's best friend. ;)
thanks guys. :thumbsup:
Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 02:44 AM
,,,,,,, a power drill can be a hydro grower's best friend. ;)
hmmm, hydro (water) and power (electric) drill, yeah, this is a combo:wtf:
kids, dont try this at home. we are professionals:smokin:
Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:04 AM
ZAP! :eek:
Dont worry Rock....I get hit by the electrical horse fencing all the time.....old hat....:D
Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 04:39 AM
ZAP! :eek:
Dont worry Rock....I get hit by the electrical horse fencing all the time.....old hat....:D
holy crap:wtf::jawdropper:
Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:59 AM
Looking for a different kind of buzz......:D
One day I grabbed onto the same section of electrical fencing THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Jesus....even the HORSES only get caught once. ;)
xcrispi
11-19-2007, 11:21 AM
Looking for a different kind of buzz......:D
One day I grabbed onto the same section of electrical fencing THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Jesus....even the HORSES only get caught once. ;)
Pain is good , Extreme pain is Extremely good !!!! :D
I spent 2 weeks in N.C at my bro. in laws once - stupid dog would run outside every morning and lift it's leg n piss on the electric fence and get zapped in the Willy . Stupidist dog alive ? Or did he like it ?
Crispi :jointsmile:
zebulon
11-19-2007, 04:45 PM
Hy Weedhound... what about the power plant seeds ???Have they arrived ???
Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:41 PM
No and I AM starting to wonder. I've ordered from these folks several times before and always had very good results from them so I think if there is a f*ck up somewhere it will be at customs.
I DO live in BFE so hopefully its just that...;)
X-Crispi.....you are one sick pup. :D
If we head to So Cal I will remember you......sounds like a nice plant. Am I correct in thinking that the yield was lower on that then some of the other indicas?
Have you ever seen one called the spirit of 76?
The Black Dominas yield is pretty good, on par with that of other indicas I've grown. In my case I am limited by a couple of issues: Growing in a closet with a 400 HPS, and this last time the Blueberry took up space that the BD would have used better. Also I had heat issues when it was 95-100 during 2.5 weeks of late flowering. I didn't top or prune either, so lower growth was poor.
In the end I got 2.25 oz per BD plant and about .9 oz per BB. All in a 4' x 2' x 6.5' tall closet...
BTW - Spirit of 76... What is that?
Weedhound
11-19-2007, 11:55 PM
I can't remember how to shrink these damn pics so its only lettng me upload one photo per post......GROAN.....:(
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 12:23 AM
Looks like all the Northern Lights went to one plant and the Neville's Haze to the other.
Hard to believe these came from the same batch of seeds, isn't ? :wtf:
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 12:47 AM
I threw this one in just because I like it. Had to resize image though (I figured it out....Thanks Rock. :thumbsup:) so I figure everyone else should suffer as well.
zebulon
11-20-2007, 12:54 AM
My God..:eek: awesome pictures Weedhound...i love the voodoo you do...:thumbsup:
Rock.Steady
11-20-2007, 01:57 AM
WOWZA MOMMA:jawdropper:
Those MKs look just gorgeous. I hope mine turn out half as nice!
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 04:31 AM
Thanks you guys. I'm somewhat kicking myself now because I wonder if I should have revegged that quickie but this beast is coming on pretty strong!
Question: Don't suppose there is any way I could clone this plant at this late stage? Rock got me to thinking about it but it's probably way too late right?
I've cloned during the first couple of weeks of flower with no problems, and if it were me I would give it a shot to see what happens. Pick a bottom shoot cuz they root easier than the top ones. Plan to take 5 cuttings for every 2 that make it at this late stage. No guarantees that any will survive but take several to increase your chances.
I am amazed what happens when I just try something that seems impossible... When I cloned my Super Skunk it was vegging but the preflowers were so big it look as if she was 3 weeks into bloom - now she has roots and it ready for dirt. Yes, I said dirt - she's going to be a mum!
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:15 AM
Rock mentioned snipping off all the buds. Do you use a cloner or what? I'm VERY clueless about cloning.....how would you go about it....especially with the plant this far along? I did get the part about bottom cuttings...will do there. Thanks ;)
I would read Stinky's thread on cloning first, the noob thread I believe.
In short I would:
- do it during the final flush for best chance of success
- choose lower shoot with very little flowering
- use razor blade to cut, sterilize with alcohol first
- cuts should be ~ 3 inches in length total
- cut at 45 degree angle and scrape gently the outside of the stem (bottom 1/2 inch)
- carefully remove buds, but keep the sun leaves
- after cutting and scraping, place stem in water immediately so stem doesn't close up
- use a rooting hormone (Olivia's or Root Tech gel)
- use peat pods or root cube, rockwool, etc (you want to be able to observe the roots growing out of the bottom of the medium
- place under CFL, about 6 inches from light
- keep very high moisture and 24 hour light (humidity tent using a baggie)
- keep the little cuts warm (I use a heating pad under the container - helps but not critial)
I will try to dig up some info for you on how to do it step by step. Most importantly, if needed lightly mist them regularly 2-3x daily to keep humidity high.
Expect that it will take 10 days or longer to see roots, maybe even up to 3 weeks. I might just have to try this to see tomorrow to see how well it works.
xcrispi
11-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Hey Sis . I can't find any of the emails we spoke of yesterday . =(
Look on here like MVP said for Stinkys guide . Sorry .
Crispi :jointsmile:
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:06 PM
Well I did read Stinky's thread on cloning....but she writes like someone who knows their shit too well and has left out some details that interest me. For instance...what about Wiltproof? She talks about NOT spraying the clones themselves while others say you should. Sounds like it's time to talk to my hydro guy cause he realizes I need very specific instructions in easy language with no big words. :wtf:
MVP...thanks VERY much for that info....it helps TONS. I'll take all I can get. When you talk about removing the flowers should I try to leave even the sugar leaves on (those crusty small pups) and pick the bud off around them?
Rhizome said while it can be done it would be CHALLENGING (and he was actually talking about Rock and not even my situation).....that makes me nervous right there. I've given thought to reveg but especially with a plant that size I just don't have anywhere to put it with 24 hour lighting....not to mention the roots are already ABSOLUTELY FULL in the bucket.....and I DONT mean rootbound....I mean FULL. There are more roots on this thing than ANY of my previous grows.
Hey WH, I saw Opie talking in a separate thread about cloning 2 weeks prior to harvest (if I understood it right) so I asked 'em to stop by and give some input here... from the time stamp on the post it was middle of the night but hopefully we'll get some additional thoughts on the topic.
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:35 PM
Oh SUPER!! Thanks. :) I'm just such a peanuthead when it comes to stuff...seems like i always have a million q's when I actually go to do things that I can't find in the instructions so I've found that ABSORBING absolutely as much info as possible at least gives me an edge when I hit a problem that I didn't think about (and i WILL hit a problem....) Going to have to get me my little humidity supplies and I have Clonex but is the Dip and Grow really as good as Stinky says? I'd have to buy that and toss the Clonex but if its THAT great.......
What type of grow medium are you planning to use? Peat pods? Rockwoot? Root Cubes? They all will work, but I learned on peat pods - they look like little coasters but when you add water they puff up and look like a big brown marshmellow of sorts.
From my perspective the rooting hormone is simply a personal choice. Back in the day (15 years ago) I used Olivia's Solution - a liquid- with peat pods and had a good success rate. Today I'm using Root Tech gel with rockwool and having a similar success rate. It's six on one hand, half-dozen on the other IMHO.
Stinky is right to not spray the cuts directly if possible, but to spray the tray and humidity dome to create the moisture.
Here are a few pics I just shot for you a minute ago:
pic 1 = little super skunk clone, very small but about the right size to stand up in a cube
pic 2 = roots starting to show thru, but needs more time to grow stronger before transplanting. Its like christmas day when you see the first tiny roots like this
pic 3 = poor lonely girl in a big dome. Notice I sprayed the tray and the dome to create moisture but not the leaves. Spraying the leaves will leach them, don't spray leaves
pic 4 = the dome on its shelf, heating pad beneath on low, under 2' flour fixture daylight tubes
pic 5 = her sister I transplanted yesterday. she was a bigger cut and rooted a few days quicker. she's a Super Skunk so I named her Pepe (as in Le Peuw)
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 07:20 PM
I'll be using the rapid rooters....I start my seeds off in them as well and love I them....afraid of rockwool. Thanks for the photos.....visuals help me TONS!! I notice you did not cut your leaves down to an inch like Stinky does...any reason for that?
I remember when I tried cloning before (poorly) I sprayed the top of the dome which then dripped down onto the leaves themselves so should I limit spraying to sides and bottom of tray and dome? And should the inside of the dome be misted constantly...like 24/7 you should be seeing humidity in there?
Yes I do cut leaves back when necessary. Take a look at pic 5 - Ms Pepe - her leaves were cut in half to lower transpiration. The smaller girl was so little I did not want to eliminate leaf surface that synthesize the light. In the tray/dome I mist all surfaces including the lid but use a fine mist setting and 'fog' it rather than saturate the dome.
Since I use a heating pad it tends to dry up the moisture so I spray 3-4 times a day or more and have to watch the medium so make sure it does not dry out. I also water my medium very gently from the bottom when it dries out a bit (pick her up, turn her upside down, use a dropper to apply water til its moist on the bottom) - I'm encouraging the roots to grow down to the moisture and heat.
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Excellent excellent.:thumbsup:...one last question (right.....:D) If you were to take a lower branch....you want it 3 inches long.....would you carefully clip the buds off and leave ALL the sun and sugar leaves? And lets say you have a 3 inch long bud.....should you make your clone bigger and make sure you leave some "regular" stem to scarify (Opie's word) and place into the medium or just snip off the bud from that 3 inches and pop it in? In other words should I take a six inch cutting if the top three inches are all bud? This plant is large enough that if I cut below the "next node" that's a fair amount of branch. Does it have to be snipped just below a node?
Hey WH, gotta run to pick up family at the airport... I'll answer in a couple of hours. Also if you have Cervantes' book it has a good step by step section on cloning. If not I can help you with that as well. I'll post back after 2pm PT, let me know any other Q's or pics you want and I'll answer them too.
Weedhound
11-20-2007, 07:58 PM
Thanks for all your help MVP. :thumbsup:
Opie Yutts
11-21-2007, 01:05 AM
First off, damn fine looking plants you got there Weedhound, and nice looking nugs of yours MVP. I want to crawl inside both of yours.
I don't think I was clear about my cloning. I think MVP was under the assumption that two weeks before harvest I take cuttings from my flowering plants to start the next grow. This could be done, but I would take the cuttings about 1 month before harvest, maybe even 5 or 6 weeks. What I was trying to say, and sorry for the confusion, was that I take cuttings from my mother plants 2 weeks before harvest time, not from my flowering plants. Cloning from budding plants is doable, but they take much longer to root since they must first revert back to veg. This method has a higher casualty rate, since they are in the cloner a long time, giving them more chances at mold or rot, and any number of other maladies.
If you are taking cuttings from flowering plants, try to get a bud that has a bunch of fan leaves, or as many healthy leaves as possible. Normally you try to get older cuttings from the bottom areas of the plant. You can remove the buds, but this is slightly more dangerous. You do not need to cut leaves in half unless your cutting is pretty big and there is a bunch of foliage. You do this so that the plant concentrates on root production instead of photosynthesis. The downside to doing this, and it becomes especially important if you took cuttings from flowering plants, is that the plant may eat too much of itself while it is getting adequate roots. In my system the plants usually start eating themselves toward the end of their stay in the cloner, and if I donâ??t leave enough leaves on the plant, they could eat themselves to death before getting adequate roots. It is common for plants to eat themselves during the last bits of cloning and flowering. Thatâ??s usually whatâ??s going on with the yellowing leaves.
Now if youâ??re interested, hereâ??s how I clone. I made a cheapo aerocloner which absolutely works wonderful. Probably as good as the expensive aeroponic cloners. It is very rare that a plant wont make it, maybe 2 out of 100. I take a cutting 4 or 5 inches tall, leaving as much stem on as possible. I put a few more cuttings than I need in a bucket and make sure they are covered with cold water for about 30 minutes. The cold water makes them perk up real nice. I like to have extra clones going if possible, then use the ones with the biggest root masses, and toss the others or throw them out in the woods if itâ??s spring or summertime.
I make sure everything is ready before starting, because you donâ??t want to leave them out of water or uncovered very long. Once you start you should not stop until youâ??re finished, and you should try to work fast. I keep a bottle of water nearby to mist them occasionally as I am putting them in the cloner. I start the bubbles, then get a cutting and lay it on a board or something flat. I scarify it (scrape off the outer membrane of the bottom inch or so - search â??scarificationâ?), then cut off the bottom at a 45 degree angle. The theory behind the angle is it will give you slightly more surface area for roots to form on. I dip the scarified part in powdered rooting hormone and put them it in the cloner. Most of the powder eventually gets washed off, but a little stays on. The water has a very small amount of B1 such as SuperThrive in it, and it should stay 2 or 3 inches below the roots.
I keep the bubbles going 24/7 until they start getting roots, then I go to 45 minutes off and 45 on (I think). Plants do much better and grow roots faster and bigger if they must search for moisture from time to time. One small tube fluorescent on all the time. They donâ??t need or want much light at this point. I keep them covered with a humidity dome (just another Tupperware container the same size) all the time, except for at least twice per day when I take off the dome and blow some air into it and into the canopy. The more you can do this the better. I donâ??t ever spritz them since I am usually battling too much humidity, sometimes even needing to pick out mold or rotted leaves toward the end. Wherever the leaves touch anything other than themselves, thatâ??s where the mold usually starts.
Once there is some good roots, I start hardening the clones. I take off the dome and watch them closely until they start to wilt, then I put it back on. Once the get perked up again, I do it some more. Pretty soon they will not need a humidity dome at all, and they can be put into the system. If one wilts a little due to lack of proper hardening, I put a baggie over it.
Sometimes I revert my budded plants back to veg. I just make sure I leave as much foliage on the plant as possible, and cut off about the top half of the plant. If you have like 10 or 15 good leaves on the plant it should revert without a problem. Just change the light schedule and nutrients. Some people say it will revert faster if you have a 24/0 light schedule, but I havenâ??t really seen evidence of this, having tried both ways. The plants look like they hibernate for a couple weeks or so, then you should start seeing new growth.
Opie Yutts
11-21-2007, 01:13 AM
PS, If you desire, you can also spray an antifungal or an antiwilt product on rooting clones. I don't use antiwilt, but I use an antifungal. It seems to help with mold, but it adds moisture, which promotes the growth of mold.
Weedhound
11-21-2007, 02:01 AM
Oh bless you Opie for all that information. I'm starting to really lean towards revegging the plant and taking clones off that so I need ALL the info I can get. You told me before about scarifyiing so I'm set on that....(scalpels from my hydro guy) and that really helps about the revegging. When you say leave the bottom 1/2 of the plant do I leave all the buds or take everything and just leave some fan leaves? I hope I don't have to leave the buds on its because then I wouldn't be able to use them right?
Are "good leaves" the younger sun leaves? And if you had your plant on say 1200 ppm would you flush it first and then re-introduce grow nutes? And at what strength?
All the stuff I've read about revegging is just too DAMN VAGUE ...."leave some popcorn buds?" well how many? I don't have a clue. Greg greens book told me to cut all the buds away from the branches one by one and THEN when all the buds are off to "triim the plant back as needed" WHAT THE HELL IS AS NEEDED? Do I REALLY have to do that??? Cuts these buds off the one by one?
Sorry but as you can see im losing it here. I'm REALLY starting to understand where all the noobs are coming from.......searching hasn't really helped me one single bit....only made things more confusing.....WAHHHHHHH :(
Thanks again EVERYONE for your help. :)
Opie Yutts
11-21-2007, 03:27 AM
quote=Weedhound
When you say leave the bottom 1/2 of the plant do I leave all the buds or take everything and just leave some fan leaves? I hope I don't have to leave the buds on its because then I wouldn't be able to use them right?
You donâ??t have to leave any buds, but I highly recommend leaving at least 8 or 10 popcorn buds. I donâ??t know what the experts have to say about this, but I have noticed that the new growth always seems to start immerging from these buds. Sometimes buds are all thatâ??s left. You want to try and leave a bunch of nice big healthy leaves on the plant, but depending on the strain and the conditions this might not be possible. During flowering, especially toward the end, the plants eat their leaves so they can supply as much nutrition as possible to bud and resin production. By half, I mean I usually cut all the buds off the top half of my 3â?? plant, and use the bottom 18â? for revegging foliage.
Are "good leaves" the younger sun leaves?
No, good leaves in this case are any healthy ones. The more the better within reason. I usually end up with 12 or 15, but unfortunately they often yellow and die before the new growth really gets going good.
And if you had your plant on say 1200 ppm would you flush it first and then re-introduce grow nutes? And at what strength?
The problem with flushing plants that will be revegged, is the whole â??eating itselfâ? thing, like I mentioned above. Iâ??m afraid flushing would worsen the situation since there are no nutrients for the plant to eat. Flushing makes leaves yellow and die faster, and you need leaves so your plant can reveg properly. Iâ??m guessing that you should probably start by mixing veg and bud nutes, rather than just switching all at once. You should do this when going from veg to bud, so why not the other way around as well? I have never tried this, but it seems like it could help. Maybe I will try this next time, Iâ??ve always just switched. When I switch I lower nute strength to about 1/3 for the first watering. The plant will have less leaves than normal so be careful not to over water or over feed. It will need less of each.
â?¦triim the plant back as needed" WHAT THE HELL IS AS NEEDED? Do I REALLY have to do that??? Cuts these buds off the one by one?
Just harvest the top portion of the plant as normal, and leave the bottom 18â? or so of foliage to deal with the reveg requirements. Leave some popcorn buds and leaves as mentioned above.
Sorry but as you can see im losing it here.
Please donâ??t. Itâ??s not really that big of a deal. You have knowledge of plants, just use your common sense. You know what plants do when you do different things to them. Use your best judgment with what Iâ??ve given you as a jumping off point, and Iâ??m sure you can get your plant growing again after flowering.
â?¦searching hasn't really helped me one single bit....only made things more confusingâ?¦
Donâ??t tell, but sometimes I resort to searching outside this forum. Have you thought about Botany sites or other weed forums?
Hope that helps a little instead of causing more confusion. Iâ??m no expert but Iâ??ll help more if I can. Probably not much more tonight though.
Weedhound
11-21-2007, 03:37 AM
Oh thank god....I can't believe all this super info....!! Seriously....I can picture in my mind exactly how to do this now and can't thank you enough for breaking it down into parts I can understand .
I posted the same question over at IC MAg as well but pretty much got the same answers and really....at least here I know who knows whats going on you know and who's word I can trust.....which makes things a MILLION times easier.
Thanks again.....you've made my day. :thumbsup:
Treetops
11-21-2007, 05:11 AM
Dont be afraid to experiment....I like to,and tried this clone way into flower, cant remember how long, but close to harvest...end result was excellent..Give it a try....Thats how we all learn...
Peace,
Treetops
:s4::
Rock.Steady
11-21-2007, 06:01 AM
wow hound, u got wound up like i do.
relax,,,,,
its a weeeeeed:thumbsup:
im gonna do it just like we talked about.
ill keep ya posted step by step, startin tomorow.;)
Weedhound
11-21-2007, 01:55 PM
Rock.....seriously....I was going to flip. Part of my issue is the time thing....this plant is actually starting to THROW buds at me. They are starting to DROP OFF THE PLANT as in ...hello....we are done.....HELLO?? :eek: The bottom part has a bit to go go but the top is already 20% amber and I need to make a decision on what to do but of COURSE I'm capable of being a babbling idiot and am surprised you ever doubted it. :D
My final decision is to reveg the plant. I just heard too many scary things about "finished" plants not having a good success rate (it was actually kind of Stinky saying...."i've never seen one make it") In my world that means......get the shovel out
and so that just didin't sound hopeful you know?
I have a new 400wMH light coming which I plan to use on the seedlings to see if I can improve their growing....these cfls just don't seem to have what it take imo BUT my wonderful hubby built me a super neato lightstand for the cfls just last night and that is what I will be using to reveg the other plant with. I got rid of the couch and the televison and now have room for the plant. :wtf: Then, once the beast revegges, I'll take clones from that and see if I can make it work.
I must again say thank you to eveyone who offered advice and/or support....but very special props to Opie and MVP who both expended a LOT of energy to assist me.
Special hugs for you two. :)......and ok.....I'll share a bowl with you guys. :joint1:
Hey WH, glad to help ya out. I'm also really happy that Opie stopped by and shared thoughts on both cloning and revegging. I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for updates on the revegging. Do you think a new thread on the subject would help the CannComm community in general? Not trying to make more work for you, just a thought.
On a separate note, I am now considering a little experiment with the MKs I have that are about 40 days into flowering. Maybe I'll start a thread on cloning during the mid/late stage of flowering. The MKs were a dream to clone the last 2 times so I reckon they will be a good subject for experiment. What do you think?
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! I am thankful for my canncom friends :hippy: :rastasmoke: :pimp:, Cannabis - the plant, and MMJ Laws. Cheers All!
Weedhound
11-21-2007, 07:37 PM
MVP that is a very good idea.....I will see if I can get some photos because people like me don't read well LOL and I think it would help.
I've also spoken to Rhizome and he has given me a few tips to follow as well. I won't be able to get a super accurate reading of how many ozs there are but it will be close enough to give me an idea...and I'm happy not to be rid of this plant.....it's startng to feel like a pet or something. :D Guess I'll have to think up an actual name now.
MVP....SEVERAL people over at IC mag chipped in to tell me that they made clones as late as 5-6 weeks into flowering with good results so I'd go for it if I were you. I think you have a good hand with clones anyway. HOWEVER when I mentioned the plant was at HARVEST stage all I got was alot of mumbling and shoe-shuffling etc....and statements like..."well its possible in theory" and such. That just didn't sound up my alley. ;)
Rock.Steady
11-21-2007, 09:28 PM
you must have faith young weedhound.
the force is strong in you:trooper::abduct:
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 02:28 AM
Here she is....before and after.
I will be writing up a thread about how I trimmed her etc (with pics!) just as an FYI. DONT expect anything great people. :wtf:
Again....thank you EVERYONE who helped. I would not have been able to do it without everybody. :thumbsup:
zebulon
11-22-2007, 02:46 AM
OMG....the poor plant:(
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 02:55 AM
This is what I cut off....again....before and after. Looking at the hanging stuff I'm guessing 3-4 oz hanging. The buds I trimmed from the bottom came up to 2.9 oz.....(weighed wet and trimmed then calculate 25% of wet weight)
PS....thats 2.9 oz WITHOUT any stems....;)
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 02:59 AM
Well Zeb I hear you on that but she was destined for the trash can anyway. This way I can see IF she revegges I can get some clones off her. I'm estimating but I'm pretty sure she's going to come in about 7 oz which would be the second largest amount I've gotten off a plant (Crystal Limit...8.5 oz is the champ) AND she finished (20% amber) in 57 days.
zebulon
11-22-2007, 03:23 AM
Well i know that she was destined for that, but for me it always was and will be a sad thing
to cut down the plants... for me my plants are like good friends , or like a pet...and to kill em....well its sad...
but thank God the end result is mostly good:jointsmile:
Btw....very nice work Weedhound:thumbsup:...very nice work...
Opie Yutts
11-22-2007, 05:19 AM
Hey Weedhound, good job. Nice looking harvest there.
Now that wasn't so bad was it? Nothing to get too worked up about. It looks like a nice healthy plant with plenty of leaves and buds left. I'm betting that if you take care of her she should come around nicely. I've revegged plants with less on them than that. It almost looks like you knew what you were doing, wink wink, nudge nudge.
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 05:30 AM
Thanks Opie....with all your great info I felt MUCH more confident approaching the task but it's very good to hear that you approve of the job I did. :)
Rock.Steady
11-22-2007, 06:41 AM
NICE harvest!:thumbsup:
ok WH, i did it.
the beaning has been started.
what have I done???:wtf: (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/141848-mission-impossible-cloning-thai-week-7-flower.html)
is this how dr frankenstein started?:wtf:
Looks like a nice harvest and a really nice start to the revegging thread!
I agree with Opie, looks like you know what you're doing... pretty cool, huh?
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 05:32 PM
Thanks MVP....but could not have accomplished without everyone's advice and support.
I have your cloning info set aside for use if "Kushette" DOES decide to reveg for me because then you will again see THE INSANITY OF WEEDHOUND. :D
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 07:12 PM
My plant is LEAKING. What is THAT about? And not only is it leaking its seems it has already started to cause some sort of mold or fungus. Here are two pics....I cut that section this morning cause it SURE DONT LOOK RIGHT TO ME. :eek: The second photo is what ALL the main stems are doing......leaking. They've been doing this all night and I can't get it to stop....the plant is WET in several places.
I dabbed all the tips with Serenade as there are other spots DEFINITELY starting to look suspiciously bad. That didn't seem to take very long to me. :(
I have put a fan on her despite the 66 degree temp in our house and am wondering if I should spray her thoroughly with Serenade.
I actually considered this last night as a preventative measure but rejected the idea specifically BECAUSE the plant was LEAKING (I still don't understand that part) and figured it would dry up overnite and then I'd Serenade at that point because the stuff would just wash off with the plant being wet the way it is.
Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. I most likely WILL spray the plant down and DID consider trimming everything back (like the one I cut this morning) but there are two problems with that imo.....there are several spots that are too far down the stem to cut safely AND I'm afraid cutting things back will just start a whole NEW round of leaking.
I can't quarantine her so that concerns me as well. If there is a chance this could get all over my house then I'm afraid Kushette is treading a VERY fine line here.
HELP!!!
Thanks. :)
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 07:25 PM
If you check the photos....sorry for the blurriness...taken with super macro and you really need a tripod to get clear pics......
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 07:37 PM
Here's the same pic auto-adjusted by the computer (sorry I should have done that to begin with) ;)
One thought......these are the plants that were flowering along with the white rhinos. I cleaned my clippers thoroughly between then and now but that AND the thought that they all hung out together makes me wonder..... I see absolutely NO sign of mold on the buds or anything else I harvested off that plant. Just thinking......
I don't know what Serenade is so I cannot comment intelligently. However sometimes a plant will transpire when cut like this... ever seen an Evergreen tree with pruned branches? They weep for a while and then heal up on their own. I would watch closely (as you are) and resist the urge to just chuck her out the window on a whim. Be prepared to react if it gets progressively worse, but monitor, compare, wait patiently, do it all over again.
It reminds me of last night when my sister called in a panic. Her dog Mabel was hit by a car and my sister was crying, emotionally distraught, and needed emotional support. She was at the doggy ER and there was internal bleeding, not sure whether to operate and they said it was 50/50 survival if they operate... we (Mom and I) told sis to ask a lot of questions, assess her skeletal and neurological functions with the vet, and then call us back.
Well, Mabel (sweet lil Rott mix) had no broken bones or fractures and brain functions were normal. Sis decided to wait and see how she made it through the night. Today we heard back that they chose not to do surgery or anything and her bleeding appeared to stop (so far) and it seems what was needed was time to stabilize and make a rational decision. Mabel will stay over today for observation but she is a lively, strong 10 month old and that is helping her heal.
So, long story short, perhaps Kushette is also a strong lively soul that needs a bit of time to stabilize.
I cannot speak from experience revegging but the plant just went thru a great trauma and may be exhibiting a short lived effect. It also seems that if it were mold or fungi that it showed extremely quickly, but again, I am not an expert on this either.
At any rate Weedhound you have a green thumb and care a lot for Kushette, so watch her closely, monitor changes and be prepared to remove her if things get out of control. But know that living things that are strong can often heal themselves at that may be happening...
Just a though, I am not experienced in revegging. I am just applying reason to the situation.
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 09:02 PM
MVP I greatly appreciate your thoughts here. (PS....most common hbc (hit by car) bleeding injury to a dog is torn spleen....internal bleeding is extremely common in hbcs. I remember one dog that needed it's spleen taken out and 2 transfusions to replace lost blood.....transfusions that my shepherds volunteered to donate.. :D (the dog did well.....)
Sorry I digress....About 50% of my cuts are starting to get that black look to the edges.....you don't see necrosis move this fast in mammals....I'm kind of impressed.
At any rate I AM quickly losing hope here.....I've put a space heater blowing gentle warm air on her and sprayed her completely with Serenade (anti-fungal MVP...copper based) but based on what I've seen so far she seems to be sinking fairly fast where the stems are concerned....and still leaking away with no sign of stopping or the plant drying up with the drips all over it. The rest of her looks fine but.....
I will keep everyone updated. Thanks for stopping by and giving me a little cheer there MVP.....hope Mabel ends up ok. ;)
Ps...We animal emergency places are EXPENSIVE aren't we??? :wtf:
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 09:05 PM
PS.....Also seen my share of HBC's crash and burn....quick. :cool:
PharmaCan
11-22-2007, 09:22 PM
Weedhound, Sometimes I have to cut into hollow stems to trim my mother plants. When that happens, I squeeze the end of the stem as flat as I can with my fingers, then put one of those real strong black paper clips on the end of the stem. So far, that's worked and I haven't any problems.
PC :smokin:
Weedhound
11-22-2007, 10:21 PM
Hi PC,
Thanks for stopping by. You have seen this before eh? Quite franky i'm kind of amazed that a) it happened in almost no time at all....things turning black.....and b) this is something I had NO clue would happen much LESS be the one issue that damages the plant so severely as all other parts of the plant seem just fine. (Quite frankly.....I honestly could never HAVE imagined these stems running water like garden hoses so not sure how I could have prepared for that at all anyway. :confused:)
The little space heater seems to have helped dry up the smaller stems but the larger ones are still dripping away with no sign of stopping. Right now I've got small bits of paper towels with some Serenade on them to sop up the mess. I may go to paper clips for some but one or two big stem ends simply cannot be paper clipped....or cut back with cauging too much damage. I'm already feel overwhelmed here (In less that 1 day :eek: ) so am just not sure how far I want to carry this. Its' also in the same room as my seedlings so should I be worried about that as well?
Thanks for any advice, wisdom etc...PC.
rhizome
11-23-2007, 12:07 AM
Umm...little latex caulking?
Seen em keep pumping water for a while- don't forget, if you went to a weak nute solution, the osmotic pressure across the root wall is very high.
They should dry up and leave a little sorta dried-pumpkin-vine-ish appendage in not too long- if you wanna staunch the flow, treat it like any other vascular system. Usually die back as far as the node below the cut.
Seriously, if it's got you freaked out, you can use whatever to bandage/tourniquet the flow- rubber cement, cling wrap and rubber bands, string tied tightly enough to constrict phloem, whatever.
Oh- I'm pretty sure that Serenade is Bacillus Subtillus- copper just don't smell that bad.
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 01:04 AM
Hey Rhizome, Thanks very much for stopping by...sorry this nutness is on T-day.
I took PC's suggestion and paper clipped with some paper towels and big black clips. There were some black edges starting elsewhere so I clipped them back) like 1/4 inch and since they have dried they look much more normal.....no sogginess or blackness to them with the little space heater near them blowing warm dry air.
It's actually pretty interesting to see.....as I said I would not have thought of this one myself but I think if we can get through this part she has a chance. The newer cuts look much better than the old wet ones. There are only few spots left that havent dried up so she's got some X-mas decorations on and Im changing the paper towels as needed. The rest of her looks pretty darn happy considering she's suddenly bald and half size.
This may amaze you guys.....but I'm really NOT like this at my job.....just around my plants.. :D
klondike_bar
11-23-2007, 01:57 AM
may try filling that hole. its for h2o, not o2.
put some safe glue or plastic wrag around it to seal it
Rock.Steady
11-23-2007, 02:54 AM
boy o boy, look at you now.:cool:
WH, i agree with the experts here, plant is definately reacting and stopping the flow would be 1st concern.
glad it sounds like its getting under control a lil bit.
for the largest ones you mite try wrapping a metal twist tie or a thin cheezy paperclip that you can twist, maybe use pliers to help?
what about hot candle wax?:wtf:
remain calm, u can definately do this.
and look at the support network u got workin in here!
look at all that talent!:D
the room starts chanting: "weedhound,,,weedhound,,,weedhound,,,"
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 05:53 AM
Quick report: So far so good....have 3 paper clips jobbies on the worst stuff and the rest seemed to have calmed down.......she looks no worse than earlier which I take as a positive sign.
I always remember somewhere in the back of my head hearing somebody (god knows who....Mom?) telling me NEVER CRUSH THE TRIMMED STEM ENDS OR THE PLANT WOULD IMMEDIATELY GET RABIES or something along that line so I was actually afraid to do that but it really IS the only way I can see to get it under control.
On the plus side.....dinner was great. :) But honestly she does look more stable to me and her ph has stablized (it was rising rapidly yesterday) so that sounds positive too I think.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions and the moral support.....aren't you glad I don't do this every WEEK? :D
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 05:59 AM
Umm...little latex caulking?
Seen em keep pumping water for a while- don't forget, if you went to a weak nute solution, the osmotic pressure across the root wall is very high.
They should dry up and leave a little sorta dried-pumpkin-vine-ish appendage in not too long- if you wanna staunch the flow, treat it like any other vascular system. Usually die back as far as the node below the cut.
Seriously, if it's got you freaked out, you can use whatever to bandage/tourniquet the flow- rubber cement, cling wrap and rubber bands, string tied tightly enough to constrict phloem, whatever.
Oh- I'm pretty sure that Serenade is Bacillus Subtillus- copper just don't smell that bad.
Yes, yes I suspected osmotic pressure across the root wall as being the problem here. :S2:
Yes.....Serenade IS Bacillus Subtillis....not a drop of copper in it. I just went and looked at the label.
Rhizome......sometimes you scare me. :D
So are you saying its normal for the ends to turn black like that down to the next node and I'm just a freaked out nut for nothing? Well color ME a peanuthead........:wtf:
PharmaCan
11-23-2007, 06:13 AM
Umm...little latex caulking?
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I tried that before the paper clamps - the plants really didn't like it too much. They're fine now, with big fat buds that'll be ready for harvest in about three weeks, but at first they did kind of a rough transplant type of thing.
... if that was meant as joke and just went over my head, please ignore this post. :stoned:
PC :smokin:
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 06:17 AM
It's hard to tell with Rhizome somtimes.....:D
Opie Yutts
11-23-2007, 06:49 AM
OK WH, once again just get it under control. No sense loosing it when you've come so far.
I have seen this many times in my plants, but I must admit not that bad. Any of my older stems are usually hollow like that. If you prick me do I not bleed? Same with a plant, usually. The reason I bleed is because my blood pressure is higher inside me than the air pressure is outside me. Same with a plant. There actually is pressure in the plant pushing the moisture and nutrients wherever it needs to go, and if you cut a limb off, it is normal for at least a little stuff to ooze out. It's just that in your case, it happens to be a lot. I've never seen them actually drip before. Maybe your plants are just so healthy that the stuff has too pour out, whereas mine are not as healthy so the stuff just kinda forms an ooze at the cut. Your plant does look very healthy for a plant at harvest time. Usually you see at least some yellowing leaves.
I have never done a thing to the ends of mine that do that, and everything works out fine. Most people say that you should cover the hole so that any diseases don't spread to the inside of the plant. Well, I my plants don't have diseases, so I don't worry about it, and the hole eventually kind of scabs over. I noticed Rhizome said that those parts of the plant will die off down to the next node. Obviously he has seen this happen, so I guess you should expect it. Mine have always healed though.
I have my doubts that blackish stuff is a fungus. It's been awhile since I revegged a plant, so I can't really remember if mine had that or not. However it kind of seems like they had something that was at least similar to that. Long story short I would not scrape it off or cut it off. It is trying to heal IMO, and just like one of your wounds, it will heal faster if you don't keep taking the scab off. Instead, if you're worried about a fungus, I would spray an antifungal on it.
Please remember that I have read very little on the subject. I have just done it. I am going solely by my own experiences, so I could be wrong about something. Please read the 24 page disclaimer of mine, then sign in triplicate. I refuse to take responsibility for ooziness.
A page or two back you said that you got some tips from Rhizome. If you don't mind, please share any that I have not covered. I'm always willing to learn the right way of doing things, and he usually has some good tips.
Opie Yutts
11-23-2007, 06:51 AM
PS. My dinner was great too.
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 07:04 AM
I see....so when things start oozing you are suddenly late for another appt :S2:
Drying things up DOES seem to be the answer here....I think the little space heater has done the best for things.....super low humidity perhaps? And a couple good paper clips on the tough areas to assist. It seems to be down to the last and lowest (go figure) to stems on the plant and while they are still running pretty good the rest seems pretty darn dry at this point (knock on wood....)
I did spray her with an antifungal and it seems to have stopped any new black spots from showing up so bit of a whew there.
I was just so....SURPRISED to see this thing do this to that degree....just never occured to me....thought I had everything down....I was all pumped. :D And even then I figured ....ahh it'll stop by tomorrow.....and it was WETTER THAN EVER!!
Glad to hear you had a good dinner Opie and thanks for the info and the support. I think I'd have given up by now if it weren't for everyone helping. :)
Opie Yutts
11-23-2007, 07:27 AM
So there I go, being wrong again. If the antifungal cleaned up the black stuff then I guess it was a fungus.
Real glad to hear that she appears to be going to make it.
And what's this?
thought I had everything down
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you were referring only to your attempt at a reveg. And don't forget you still got a couple weeks until you know for sure. If you're lucky. I have two plants I've being trying to get to stop flowering for about 3 months now. Damn things just keeps spitting out the buds and eating itself. I've never seen anything like this, or even heard of it. The good news is, the few buds that have dried up and fallen off after my smaller pruning scissors accidentally fell onto them 3 times, are like, wow. And maybe even better than that.
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 07:48 AM
Oh I was SOOOOO ready....."BRING IT"....then the ooze....and I ran like hell.....:D
I honestly don't know if it was a fungus or mold or not.....maybe just the action of the spray dried up the dripping or something for all I know. Maybe the color of the spray is just making it LOOK less black but I don't really want to know the answer to that so I'm not going to look. :cool:
So YOU HAVE the plant that lays the golden buds....I have heard of it but never seen such a vision in real life. (very sorry to hear your plant won't stop flowering for you..)
:S2:
Let me go back through my info from Rhizome and I will post it tomorrow.....just a few extra tips I think but they helped me for sure.
PS...if she does make it I'll do a revegging thread for anyones fyi. ;)
Kushette survives to live another day? I'm glad you are feeling better about her and she is doing better too. I knew it would all work out if you gave her TLC and let her heal herself. I hope she makes you proud!
Weedhound
11-23-2007, 05:51 PM
Thanks MVP....you made a difference telling me to wait.....I was eyeing the window. ;)
Update:
She seems MUCH better today.....no new black spots at all (i looked with a flashlight carefully) and few paper clip decorations still on her but they have made a huge difference with the "leaking" .....I mean transpiring....
Everyone here has been so great.....so supportive and helpful....I really just can't tell you how grateful I am for all the help.
Thanks everyone.
Opie Yutts
11-23-2007, 11:08 PM
You're certainly welcome WH, and I'm glad she's getting better. My two plants laying the golden buds are not long for this world I fear. After 5 months total flowering, they have eaten almost all the leaves off the plant. It keeps producing little tiny leaves at the bud sites, but I don't think they have a chance to get big before they are eaten up for their lovely nutrients. Any tips in this area would be great: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/139339-plants-wont-stop-flowering.html
I had a thought about stopping your plants from leaking (2 options). 1) Perhaps an anti wilt product applied only to the cuts, or 2) A product called 2nd Skin, I think. It forms basically a layer of artificial skin over cuts (for people).
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 02:52 AM
If some of these things were said by other people then please excuse the fact that I got it wrong. These were things that Rhizome told me that I found VERY important during this "major pruning" attempt.
1. You only need enough light to maintain photoperiod. While this is true for ANY lighting situation with growing I'm told that regular "room light" may actually be more beneficial and less stressful to the plant than anything else at the very beginning of the process.
2. You do not need to clip the rootmass back in DWC because the root mass will die back to the appropiate level to the size of the plant it is supporting. You MAY trim the roots back if you wish but if you use a "zyme" product then nature should take its course and do the work for you.
3. "The flowering mass mass produces hormones which will tend to keep the plant in flower (which means you want to take everything off) but the stress of a full strip can severely damage the plant. I would normally harvest whatever was solid, leaving the popcorn on the plant. The popcorn was where I'd compromise--I'd take off the top of the bract but leave the base
(1/4 to 1/2 inch). At the base of each bract there are dormant growth nodes (picture the response of a plant when topped). These nodes are dormant and it'll take awhile for them to wake up but the transition will be a lot quicker than if they had been removed entirely."
4. Start the plant at approximately 200-300 ppms (and perhaps a touch of superthrive.) This amount was WAY lower than I planned to go so I found it very important.
Some of this information that I found extremely important was specifics .....exact numbers of ppms vs "a weak nute solution"
and the same thing with room lighting vs "soft or quiet lighing" which were phrases used UNIVERSALLY through my research. Neither phrase was specific enough for me so I found that particular info invaluable.
Thanks Rhizome......didn't think I'd remember all this did you??
Scarlet Sky
11-24-2007, 03:26 AM
hey girly, wanted to let you know my trick, in case it can help you.....
i'll take a low branch at harvest, and instead of trimming and drying, i clip, dip, and stick in some dirt to root and reveg.
they always look dead for about 4-6 weeks, sometimes longer, but generally all of the clones i've done like this have rooted and revegged (save for the ones that perished from neglect....)
plain water and st, 24hr low light (flouro's).
i have never attempted (nor do i plan on) revegging a plant in hydro :p.... uh uh, no way. you chemist peeps can stick to the hard stuff.... :D
Markass
11-24-2007, 03:28 AM
hey girly, wanted to let you know my trick, in case it can help you.....
i'll take a low branch at harvest, and instead of trimming and drying, i clip, dip, and stick in some dirt to root and reveg.
they always look dead for about 4-6 weeks, sometimes longer, but generally all of the clones i've done like this have rooted and revegged (save for the ones that perished from neglect....)
plain water and st, 24hr low light (flouro's).
i have never attempted (nor do i plan on) revegging a plant in hydro :p.... uh uh, no way. you chemist peeps can stick to the hard stuff.... :D
well look who it is...haven't talked to you in a while...hope you're doing okay :thumbsup:
Scarlet Sky
11-24-2007, 03:29 AM
well look who it is...haven't talked to you in a while...hope you're doing okay :thumbsup:
i'm here babe, that's about all i can say.... :wtf:
hope you guys had a good turkey day!
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 03:35 AM
Hold it here.....Are you saying you CLONE a branch at harvest??
Good to see you over here.....sure wish you'd drop in more often with PEARLS LIKE THIS!!!
I was with you the whole ride Scarlet......right up until you said the word dirt....:eek:
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 03:36 AM
LOVE the gecko avatar...:thumbsup:
Scarlet Sky
11-24-2007, 04:13 AM
Hold it here.....Are you saying you CLONE a branch at harvest??
Good to see you over here.....sure wish you'd drop in more often with PEARLS LIKE THIS!!!
I was with you the whole ride Scarlet......right up until you said the word dirt....:eek:
i tried rooting late flowered branches in dwc, but they all rotted.... all three times....
i don't know what it is, but i can't lose clones in dirt unless i just dont do anything with them for a few weeks (no water). they stay perky, no wilt spray, no dome, nothing but wet dirt and rootone....
don't ask me, i just know it works :p
Opie Yutts
11-24-2007, 04:23 AM
i have never attempted (nor do i plan on) revegging a plant in hydro
Done it.
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 04:24 AM
yeah....but soil......that's stuff is like.....toxic to me....:(
Opie Yutts
11-24-2007, 04:26 AM
You MAY trim the roots back if you wish but if you use a "zyme" product then nature should take its course and do the work for you.
Any recommendations on one of these for dirt and one for hydro? Is there a good one for both?
Opie Yutts
11-24-2007, 04:31 AM
i don't know what it is, but i can't lose clones in dirt unless i just dont do anything with them for a few weeks (no water). they stay perky, no wilt spray, no dome, nothing but wet dirt and rootone....
don't ask me, i just know it works :p
I've noticed the same thing. They just seem to want to root real badly in dirt for some reason. Like you said, no spray or dome, no problems. I don't think I've ever lost a clone in soil, but I don't clone a whole lot in soil. Just keep em warm and moist, they'll appear to be hibernating for a couple weeks, then off they go.
Scarlet Sky
11-24-2007, 04:32 AM
Any recommendations on one of these for dirt and one for hydro? Is there a good one for both?
i have chopped plants back to nonexistence and never use an enzyme product in dirt.....
as for hydro, i'll let you guys talk that one out, i'll sit back and learn :)
Opie Yutts
11-24-2007, 04:34 AM
Thanks Scarlet.
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 04:40 AM
I personally use Cannazyme as recommended by my hydro guy but I can only speak for myself......and not about soil and "zymes" either. :cool:
rhizome
11-24-2007, 04:51 AM
How's she looking today?
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 05:09 AM
Hi Rhizome,
She looks VERY good today I think.....still some "transpiring" and a couple of PC's paper clip thingies and a small space heater about 2 feet away has helped with all the "watering" tremendously. There are no new black sections although I'm still not sure if the black stuff is even a problem or not.
Her ppms are rising slowly.....about 100ppms a day and I keep diluting things down to 300....going to change things tomorrow because I no longer know what the nute ratios are .....and have been adding straight RO/ph'd water so far.
Ps.....PH rising slowly......was wild the first 24 hours but has calmed way down. :thumbsup:
rhizome
11-24-2007, 05:29 AM
"Transpiring"?
Hemmoraging, more like- but it sounds like the worst of the shocks done with.
Hell of a system shock first couple of days- sounds like things'll be fine.
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 05:37 AM
LOL.....I was trying to sound technical.
There's an old saying.....All bleeding stops eventually.....no matter what. :D
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 05:48 AM
Oh AND.....
My seeds came. :thumbsup: Power plant and white widow feminized. I'm trading 5 seeds of each batch with a very good friend who shall remain nameless (X-C :D) and will end up with a few ALSO of Dutch Dragon and Whiteberry. Anyone know about these two?
tokr2153
11-24-2007, 08:20 AM
nice never heard or whiteberry can wait to see that log
Scarlet Sky
11-24-2007, 01:50 PM
you need to email me miss hound..... ;)
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 02:24 PM
you need to email me miss hound..... ;)
Done....:thumbsup:
Small update: Looking VERY good today.....numbers didn't really go up much overnight (only about 25 ppms) and ph was in the exact spot this morning that I left it at last night. ;)
Shovelhandle
11-24-2007, 06:21 PM
glad that your #s problem is improving, Wh.
Good luck with them new beans too.
I'd like to update my grow with a couple of bud shots but I'm experiencing the same flooding as I did during last Spring's grow/log (grounwada in dacella) <G>
Shov
Weedhound
11-24-2007, 07:11 PM
Maybe I'm just high....(go figure :D) but it seems to me that she's turning some of her leaves toward the light.....which is a 60 w reg light bulb about 2 feet to her left. Would she do this this soon or am I having hallucinations??? (or both :eek:)
PS...The whitish stuff of the leaves is Serenade...Bacillus Subtillis if you are Rhizome. :S2:
She looks so nice, even with the paper clip thingie. I wouldn't be surprised to see her reach for the light, but honestly you are doing something here I have only experienced second hand...
Opie Yutts
11-24-2007, 10:40 PM
Aint it grand? Aw, the splendor and glory of nature. Thanks, God.
Rock.Steady
11-25-2007, 01:50 AM
wow, lots to read here.
lookin good WH.
looks like she might make it:thumbsup:
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 02:03 AM
hoping....*fingers crossed*
Hennessy1414
11-25-2007, 07:57 AM
hoping....*fingers crossed*
dude did u cut clones?:rastasmoke:
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 02:32 PM
Hi Hennessy,
Thanks for stopping by
No, not yet which is why I'm trying this. I missed a good window to clone her earlier and now I'm paying for it, lol. I've never tried clones before and quite frankly the thought still scares me......Im just not any good at that type of thing.
Rock.Steady
11-25-2007, 03:29 PM
WH, i'm convinced u have more skills than u take credit for.
definately some kinda soil-phobia (but thats understandable with your genocidal history:D)
but, u have a great support team here and i think u'll be just fine.
dont over-think it.
look what i've done, and i only started this whole thing 6 months ago.
u once warned me against lovin them to death, ill pass that same nugget of advice back to ya;)
its a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed:cool:
:D
ebsters
11-25-2007, 05:08 PM
nice looking plants.
I have not been to the site for awhile :-).
However i did start my little hobby again. i have 5 silver haze seedlings growin away.
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 06:16 PM
Hey Ebsters!
Good to see you. I was just thinking about you yesterday....no joke. Silver haze sounds like a beauty! How long do those plants take to finish?
ebsters
11-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Pretty sure its 9 weeks.
I will find out. I have a new place now.
I will be starting my own log, Once i get past the seedly stage.
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 06:26 PM
Yes please do.....I'd love to see how your new grow is going. :thumbsup:
Happy Sunday Weedhound, how is lil Kushette doing today?
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 06:38 PM
Hi MVP,
So far so good.....no new problems to report. She gets kind of drippy at night when it gets colder but I just put some new clips on her and it doesn't seem to be causing any problems. She seems to be chuggin along pretty happily. Thanks for asking. :)
Shovelhandle
11-25-2007, 06:42 PM
dripping...chugging????
Hmm, I dunno what... are the "clips" for???
Sho
Thank you
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 07:15 PM
Shov when I pruned this plant back to reveg....it started SQUIRTING water from all the stems. If you go back a page or two (thanksgiving day) you can read about my panic attack in all its glory. :D
Rock.Steady
11-25-2007, 07:27 PM
........ my panic attack .......
UNDERSTATEMENT:weedpoke::wtf:;)
:D
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 07:30 PM
Heh heh.....Rock's absolutely right I'm afraid...:D Shov....how's dacella doing? Still wada?
Opie Yutts
11-25-2007, 09:15 PM
I've never tried clones before and quite frankly the thought still scares me......Im just not any good at that type of thing.
What the heck are you talking about? How do you know you are not good at it unless you've tried it at least once? I have no doubt that you would be good at it if you gave it a chance. That's like saying I hate ice cream even though I've never had any. Anyway you don't have to be good at it if you build a cheapo aerocloner like mine. You just scarify like I described previously, and the plants just beg to root. You can't stop them if you try. I completely abused and ignored my last batch and they rooted anyway and were somewhat healthy.
The first time I did it, I was scared too a little. (Perhaps apprehensive would be a better word.) I could not believe how easy it was and I also could not believe the astonishing results. If you want, I would be glad to walk you through it if you ever choose to try, and I'm sure many others would be glad to help as well. I'm telling you cloning is by far the best and easiest way to keep your grow going, and overall your grow will be healthier, since you can root a bunch and choose to use the ones with the biggest root mass. Why the hell bother with sprouting seeds and weeding out males? Unless you want to breed of course.
Rock.Steady
11-25-2007, 09:21 PM
opie, u just opened the can;)
u will now need to supply detailed diagrams, step by step instructions in simple plain english, and a "what if" guide.
BUT, if you do,,,,she'll do just fine:thumbsup:
Shovelhandle
11-25-2007, 09:34 PM
dawada begon
I have to echo what Opie is saying.... if I can do it, anyone can do it..... if they TRY and are not afraid to experiment. I know that you can do it WH, I mean for crying out loud, look at your plants you harvest.... you will be surprised how easy it is if you "Just Do It" and are not afraid to fail a few times... I will be doing some clones today or tomorrow and will enlist somne friends to photo what I am doing since you seem to like pics (I do too). ;)
BTW, with the MK's, did they seem to stretch to the light more than other Indicas you have grown? That is what is seems like on the ones I have right now... need another opinion.
Yo Rock, Opie et al,
We all might as well pull out the pom-poms and start a cheer.....
Weed Hound!!
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You Can Do It!!
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Look at your Harvest!!
J/K... we should give appropriate encouragement (along with pictures, forthcoming in the next couple of hours...)
Opie Yutts
11-25-2007, 09:44 PM
u will now need to supply detailed diagrams, step by step instructions in simple plain english, and a "what if" guide.
:S2:
Well, if that's what it takes, so be it.
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 10:10 PM
Damnit....where's that old thread......brb....
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11-25-2007, 10:15 PM
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Weedhound
11-25-2007, 10:16 PM
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-lounge/119261-wow-how-did-i-stay-off-soil-train-so-long.html
Read it and weep people.....and believe me thats not even HALF the story..... :wtf:
It's probably why the PLANT I HAVE NOW is crying as well.....:S2:
Rock.Steady
11-25-2007, 10:27 PM
ahhh yes, i remember that one.
thought u were looking for ur genocide thread:wtf:
but wait, Opie said he's got a hydro-rooter
with some detailed assembly drawings, i say you give the hyrdo-rooter a try. once u re-veg this one, the only thing u chance to a loss is a couple cuttings:thumbsup:
and this will keep u safely away from s-o-i-l:wtf:
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Weedhound
11-25-2007, 10:33 PM
Speaking of which.....all the weighing and cutting is in. Final number.....191 grams.....6.8 oz. Just SHORT of SEVEN!! BUMMER!! I wanted 7!!! BUT....I will say.....I cut my stems WAY off....so you are looking at some good SOLID bud weight there.
Ps...Rock where did you get that high school photo of me? :eek:
Weedhound
11-25-2007, 10:35 PM
I DO need to go find my seed-o-cide thread.....I will at some point today...:D
zebulon
11-25-2007, 11:39 PM
Hmmm....looks really yummy...bon appetit WeedHound:jointsmile:..
Weedhound, I have started a thread in the Grow Logs for cloning. I did this one just for you amiga... I even bought the Botanicare Ready Grow bark plugs (or whatever they are made of...) so that they are close to the rapid rooters. So now I have 4 MK clones and I think I'll name them all after your puppies (when you tell me their names).
Weedhound
11-26-2007, 01:14 AM
MVP thats very sweet....but Im very paranoid that if my grandmother reads your thread she'd be tipped off RIGHT away and would recognize those names without FAIL.:eek: I just can't be risking Grandma's heart like that....I'm sure you understand....:D.
BUT here on the site their screen names are Blackie, Blondie, Red, and Two-Tone. :D
Somehow that doesn't seem to fit clones......:wtf:
Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 01:54 AM
i thought granny turned over the gardening duties to you, what's she doin pokin around the CannCom???:wtf:
j/k;)
MVP thats very sweet....but Im very paranoid that if my grandmother reads your thread she'd be tipped off RIGHT away and would recognize those names without FAIL.:eek: I just can't be risking Grandma's heart like that....I'm sure you understand....:D.
BUT here on the site their screen names are Blackie, Blondie, Red, and Two-Tone. :D
Somehow that doesn't seem to fit clones......:wtf:
Perfect! I took 4 cuts:
Blackie
Blondie
Red
an Tootie (2-tone)
;)
Opie Yutts
11-26-2007, 02:05 AM
Whata we got, a bunch of comedians here? Funny stuff, people.
WH I read that post you linked and I totally understand. When people say they don't want to try hydro because it looks too hard, I have to laugh and tell them how wrong they are. The difficult thing is growing in soil. Like all those friggen variables you listed. How the hell are you supposed to know if you've got a deficiency, surplus, or MJ eating gnats, when you have no idea if you even mixed your soil correctly, or fertilized correctly, or took the PH correctly, over or under watered correctly, or whatever. Hydro is sooooo much easier to get nice big, healthy plants.
Opie Yutts
11-26-2007, 02:07 AM
Weedhound, I have started a thread in the Grow Logs for cloning.
Looking forward to checking this out. After dinner perhaps?
Shovelhandle
11-26-2007, 02:27 AM
Amen.
That's some yummy looking bud-ski there, WH.
All that should dry up real pretty.
Shov
Opie Yutts
11-26-2007, 02:40 AM
Funny new AV, Shovel.
Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 03:05 AM
Funny new AV, Shovel.
here's another great one
(lets see if it works here)
feel free to use:cool:
Weedhound
11-26-2007, 03:09 AM
Ha ha I like that one.....:thumbsup:
Opie Yutts
11-26-2007, 05:43 AM
Now there's some funny stuff.
Weedhound
11-26-2007, 05:56 AM
Whata we got, a bunch of comedians here? Funny stuff, people.
WH I read that post you linked and I totally understand. When people say they don't want to try hydro because it looks too hard, I have to laugh and tell them how wrong they are. The difficult thing is growing in soil. Like all those friggen variables you listed. How the hell are you supposed to know if you've got a deficiency, surplus, or MJ eating gnats, when you have no idea if you even mixed your soil correctly, or fertilized correctly, or took the PH correctly, over or under watered correctly, or whatever. Hydro is sooooo much easier to get nice big, healthy plants.
Opie Yutts is the only sane person here. :thumbsup: The extreme consistency of hydro is exactly what I love it about it.
None of this baloney....does the plant LOOK thirsty? Does it look like it needs some lime? How does it feel today? You MUST be joking!! :wtf: It looks like it needs some numbers punched up thats how it looks to me. :D:D:D :stoned:
Opie Yutts
11-26-2007, 08:39 AM
Here, here! Darn tootn, and stuff.
Kushette update? Or does she have her own thread now?
Weedhound
12-02-2007, 01:32 AM
It's taken me a few days to get the problem identified but it comes down to my (hanna) meter being screwed up and giving me the incorrect ph on all my plants.......despite the fact that it calibrates dead on for both 7.01 and 4.01. I love that. :wtf:
It's been reading way low....I believe because of colder temps in the w/f buckets. I was finally able to figure it out by pulling out my OLD hanna and calibrating and working with that. (the "old" hanna is actually the better one but more of a hassle to use.)
The one taller Sour Northern Lights x Neville's Haze got hit the hardest. I actually was thinking nuteburn and the only reason I'm sure it isn't is because the leaves themselves are uncurling (from the bottom of the plant up) and raising back up slowly now that the ph has been corrected. If it WERE nuteburn....the leaves would dry up and die....as it is they are slow returning to normal.
I'll post another pic once they are done. They may not heal 100% but it will be pretty close even if they don't come back all the way.
The second SNL x NH....the shorter plant seems completely unaffected by the ph swings and problems. Same batch of seeds and exact same environment....who knows WHAT the hell they are thinking? :wtf:
I have a new ph meter on the way that i'm excited about...supposed to be the bees knees of ph meters. It will be WONDERFUL to be able to trust what the damn meter is telling me. :thumbsup:
Weedhound
12-02-2007, 01:47 AM
So I just got my brand new digital 400w ballast in the mail and have it up and running for the seedlings. I had a great reflector already so added a Dayton muffin fan (Rhizome's idea) and X-C (my electrical man :D) helped me wire it and its GREAT!!! :thumbsup: The seedlings were a touch blown away by the brightness at first but are starting to want the light lower now.
The seedling on the left is a cotton candy (one of my favorites :thumbsup:) and the smaller one on the right is a Church plant (I've never tried the Church.....yet. :D)
Weedhound
12-02-2007, 01:58 AM
All in all she is doing very well. She's got all the cfls now and I think she likes that.....doesn't seem overwhelmed by too much light or anything. She has lost a few leaves but I'm not sure if that's due to ph problems or just a normal part of this process since I haven't tried this before.
She has ONE lower branch that still "leaks" regularly. Everything else has stopped. I actually clamped a hemostat to the branch which worked to stop the water but then everything simply backed up to the higher branches (which had previously been dry) so I just keep changing the clip and paper towel and let it be.
I think she has had some ph issues as well but doesn't show it as much.....that's my thought anyway.
She HAS shed quite a bit of roots so the whole root mass HAS gotten smaller. HOWEVER....she really is NOT too far off from the root mass clogging that I got before so I'm beginning to wonder if I will have drill MORE holes in that bucket.....she has two side rows but that may not be enough. While I'd rather NOT drill into this plant the fact is she IS in my living room and there is NO WAY I can let this plant flood out in there. :eek:
Opie Yutts
12-02-2007, 04:36 AM
That's a bummer about your PH meter. I've often wondered if both my PH and PPM pens are telling me the truth, but once you get a system down it doesn't matter if they are off, as long as they are consistent.
What's a muffin fan? Is that the little computer-type fan I see in the photo? And is the hood open and the hot air blows out the bottom?
Looks like the reveg still has promise. It is normal for some leaves to get yellow and fall off. That's why you want to make sure you leave enough leaves when you are cutting the plants back. Also if your nutes aren't quite right she can eat herself to survive.
Weedhound
12-02-2007, 05:01 AM
Its REALLY frustrating with the ph crap....hopefully the new meter will solve my problems with it.
The reflector is actually the one I used for my 1kw light until I got my cool tube. There's glass at the bottom of the reflector so the little fan is actually pulling the air through the vents on the other side and straight accross.
The 400w really has very little heat compared to the 1k. What lighting do you have Opie?
JackHerer
12-03-2007, 01:01 AM
Weedhound my friend always an education when I read your logs. How you knew I was considering flowering & re vegging my bonsai mother I have been working on I don't know. But I will be following your re veg with interest. By the way if thats what you serve for Sunday dinner set me out a plate I'll be over this weekend ;-)
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