Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering

[pisshead]

Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
Partisan bickering obscures heart of the issue as Fox News, MSNBC set up phony debate by making Kerry's behavior focus of story, not oppressive actions of thug cops Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet (http://prisonplanet.com/index.html)
Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Media coverage of a University of Florida student being tazered by cops for asking a question didn't spark a debate about ongoing police brutality and political persecution, but instead prompted partisan bickering and mindless ninnying about John Kerry's behavior during the incident, while leftist blogs defended the actions of the police.
Andrew Meyer was grabbed by cops yesterday after he asked the former presidential candidate why he didn't challenge the rigged election of 2004 and about his membership of the skull and bones secret society. Meyer asked police what he was being arrested for as they dragged him to the back of the University Auditorium before manhandling him to the ground.
As the photo above shows, two female officers, one with some kind of gangland tattoo on her arm, seem to be smiling with pleasure as they move in to seize Meyer.
Only when Meyer was immobile and had five officers on top of him did the police decide to send 50,000 volts of electricity coursing through his prostrate body, seemingly waiting until Meyer begged them not to do it so as to enjoy the maximum power trip from administrating the torture.

Watch the video (http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/180907_student_tazering.htm).


Fox News, MSNBC and others relentlessly replayed the video yesterday - not as a shocking indictment of the police's actions during the incident, but to discuss John Kerry's behavior and the fact that he continued taking questions while Meyer was being brutalized.
This prompted leftist blogs like News Hounds (http://www.newshounds.us/2007/09/18/top_story_on_fox_friends_student_questionaire_gets _tazered.php) to slam Fox for endlessly showing the footage as Democrat websites closed ranks and either ignored what was a savage act of police brutality and political persecution or simply claimed Fox News were hyping the story.
They even defended the actions of the police in stating the cops were right to tazer Meyer as he lay on the floor. Imagine if this had happened during a town hall meeting with Bush - liberals would have screamed bloody murder and rightly so - but in this instance they applaud the police for their act of torture simply because Meyer dared question their idol John Kerry.
Another detail left out of press reports is Meyer's political affiliation - he is not a Neo-Con who was attempting to put John Kerry on the spot as Fox News has tried to portray - he was a 9/11 truther. Meyer links to the 9/11 Mysteries documentary from the home page (http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/) of his website.

Beyond the mindless partisan ninnying, the heart of the issue is that this was another act of wanton police brutality and torture by means of tazering.
The police are now trained that "pain compliance," a euphemism for torture, is acceptable in apprehending anyone even if that person poses no physical danger.
In many cases, cops will tazer someone even if they offer no resistance whatsoever, simply for the sick enjoyment of the power trip as the victim begs and pleads not to be tortured. They also seem to get a kick out of tazering young children (http://www.google.com/custom?q=taser%2Bchild&cof=AH%3Aleft;LH%3A60;L%3Ahttp%3A//www.propagandamatrix.com/images/august2006/240806pp.jpg;LW%3A291;AWFID%3Ae335ee13fe3f8d5e;&domains=prisonplanet.com&sitesearch=prisonplanet.com)and even toddlers.

Take the case of UCLA student Mostafa Tabatabainejad (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm) (video above) , who was stunned over and over again for refusing to show his ID at a campus library.
Tabatabainejad agreed to leave and was on his way out of the building before cops tazered him and then proceeded to order him to get back on his feet just so they could shock him over and over again as he cried and moaned for them to stop.
The bottom line is that Taser use is being abused by police all over the country as cops are trained that torture is a perfectly acceptable response to somebody who asks the wrong question or refuses to show their papers.

[Psycho4Bud]

Prison Planet spin.........:lol5:

Have a good one!:s4:

[killerweed420]

There was no reason to tazer him.I imagine if the cameras weren't there they would have fun beating the crap out of him.

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Watched 2 versions of the incident...first one gave me the impression that the kid was unruly and just wanted to cause a ruckus and deserved to be tasered.

Then I watched a second vid which showed the first part of him asking his question and then all of a sudden hes approached by officers and removed.

So I've come to the conclusion that the kid should never have been escorted off BUT once he was being escorted off he was out of control and needed a tazing because, quite frankly, he wouldn't calm the fuck down and was just making a god damn scene and an embarrassment of himself.

If he had just kept his cool and walked off, and maybe put up a LITTLE fight but not the tantrum he threw, he would have my support.

Again, I don't understand WHY he was being escorted off by police officers but he was way out of control once he was being removed.

[Psycho4Bud]

Again, I don't understand WHY he was being escorted off by police officers but he was way out of control once he was being removed.

The way it sounded they were suppose to limit their questions and he kept rambling on. They finally turned off the microphone and thats when the cops finally tried to get him escorted out peacefully. You saw the rest.........

Have a good one!:s4:

[king of the world]

i dont know, i dont like police brutality but that was not brutality. the kid aint straight in the head, he aint want to listen to the law so he ended up listening to the taser. he was obnoxcious he deserved it if you ask me. you know how many folks get they ass beat by the popo for little shit. this kid was practacly resling the cops they should have gave him the death sentence.:stoned:

[andruejaysin]

With a little luck those pigs will be around next time you blaze one up, no reason you should't get a few volts.

[pisshead]

i guess i'm just weird then, i find this to be something you'd see in some third world dictatorship where one guy can't stand up and ask a god a question...without resorting to such quick, unnecessary violence...

it didn't used to be like that, but now we have terrorism as a threat, so we need tyranny to protect our freedom.

the videos can be seen here. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/180907_b_Tasering.htm)

The Tasering Will Continue Until You All Submit! John P (http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/17/the-tasering-will-continue-until-you-all-submit/)
One Man's Blog (http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/17/the-tasering-will-continue-until-you-all-submit/)
Tuesday September 18, 2007
Tasers (http://www.taser.com/) were developed as a non-lethal option to bring dangerous situations under control. But law enforcement officials are now using them with wild abandon in cases where simple diplomacy or a little hard work would otherwise suffice.
In the past Iâ??ve written about the police tasering of a UCLA student (http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/18/police-tazer-ucla-student/) for refusing to show his school ID, as well as the time a cop tasered an 11 year old at school (http://onemansblog.com/2006/12/01/police-tasers-11-year-old-at-school/) because the officer on hand apparently couldnâ??t physically restrain him?!? (Gee, what would they have done 10 years ago?)
Police have also used Tasers against peaceful protesters (http://www.freepress.org/columns.php?strAuthor=2&strFunc=display&strID=792&strYear=2003) (NPR audio about tasering protesters (http://www.npr.org/templates/dmg/popup.php?id=3853584&type=1&date=16-Aug-2004&au=1&pid=36365327&random=4116222635&guid=000D57AED710061953D8B06961626364&uaType=WM&aaType=RM,WM&upf=Win32&topicName=Politics___Society&subtopicName=Republican_Convention&prgCode=TOTN&hubId=-1&thingId=3853583&ssid=&tableModifier=&mtype=WM)), a pregnant woman (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=62268) (8 months) and an elderly man who called 911 to get medical attention for his diabetic seizure (http://www.waxahachiedailylight.com/articles/2007/05/20/dailylight/news/01-05-20-taser.txt).
So whoâ??s next? Maybe you.
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Now, police are being given the green light all over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tNYuM1d53o) the world (http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/chroniclelive/tm_headline=police-to-launch-taser-squads%26method=full%26objectid=19709511%26siteid= 50081-name_page.html) to completely disable people whenever they feel like it, and Iâ??m certain we are going to see a whole lot more abuse as a result.
People will be tasered long before itâ??s a necessity. Think about it, if you were a cop why even bother to break a sweat when you know you could probably control a situation physically? All you have to do is taser the hell out of someone and theyâ??ll do anything you say.
People will be intimidated and threatened by the use of tasers. Most people are not that scared of police officers because they feel reasonably sure they wonâ??t be shot (like with a gun). But now you canâ??t be sure that even arguing with a cop wonâ??t result in a tasering.
Women will be tasered and raped while they are conscious but unable to react. If you were a rapist you could use one of these to rape anyone you wanted. This guy did (http://starbulletin.com/98/01/23/news/story5.html), and it happened to this homeless woman (http://www.nationalhomeless.org/getinvolved/projects/hatecrimes/case_rape.html) and two women in D.C. (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-952583.html)
Men will be tasered and then beaten without being able to defend themselves. Want proof? Here is a group of â??private security guardsâ?� hired by the Israeli government using stun guns against unarmed Rabbis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi).
More people will die as a direct result of taser use. In the US nearly 200 people have already died (http://www.thebriefingroom.com/archives/2007/03/stunning_revela.html) after being shot by a taser gun, including a mentally ill homeless woman (http://blacknewsmagazine.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/homeless-okla-woman-dies-after-being-handcuffed-stunned-with-taser-by-police/) who was stunned with a Taser while on the ground in handcuffs.In case you arenâ??t quite familiar with the technology, here is a news clip with a bit of an an overview. The most important quote in the clip:
Police say they will only be used when someone poses a real and immediate risk to themselves, the public or the police.
So, just how effective is a Taser? Well, here is what it does to you, as demonstrated by US Military personnel undergoing police training:

The effectiveness of this torturous device, combined with the immediacy with which itâ??s effects dissipate seem to be like an invitation for police abuse. Itâ??s incredibly easy to justify electrocution when there are no lingering marks. Hmmmâ?¦ I wonder, if we tasered people in military prison camps would it be considered torture?
For example, here is a cop Tasering a guy who is holding an infant without ever even attempting to place a hand on him. It was a first resort, not a last resort, and it caused the infant to be injured.

From The Briefing Room (http://www.thebriefingroom.com/archives/2007/03/stunning_revela.html):
Also, take the case of New Orleans resident Ivy Gisclair. Held at OPP for unpaid parking tickets, Gisclair was about to be released on his own recognizance when Hurricane Katrina hit. After languishing with thousands of other prisoners in a flooded jail, Gisclair was sent to the Bossier Parish Maximum Security Prison. Once there, Gisclair apparently had the nerve to inquire about being held past his release date. Gisclair has testified that he was then restrained and stunned repeatedly with a Taser, before being thrown, naked and unconscious, into solitary confinement.
â??I canâ??t imagine any justification for that,â?� says Tom Jawetz from the ACLU. â??[Prison guards] were kicking, beating and â??Tasingâ?? him until he lost consciousness. A line was crossed that should never have been crossed.â?�
You can see the rest of Ivyâ??s story here (http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Broken+Promises%3A+Ivy+Giscla ir&search=Search).
And how about this? Here are several large officers Tasering a Woman who is laying on the ground. Why? You cannot convince me that she â??â?¦poses a real and immediate risk to herself, the public or the police.â?� The video makes it exceedingly clear that the weapon is being used as a torture device.

If you want to see the full video from which that clip was extracted you can view it here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4). Trust me, there was no provocation for the tasering and itâ??s obvious they just felt like doing it.
Now, if you want to see a situation where Taser use was clearly warranted, here you go. These officers are acting professionally, they are trying to diffuse the situation and use other means, and they are up against a huge, drunk 340 pound guy.

So, what are we to do about all of this? As a society we need to answer some philosophical questions about when itâ??s actually acceptable to deploy this, or any other non-lethal weapon. I say â??weâ?� because I am not referring to the police. The police derive power from the people. We define what is acceptable and they only enforce it.
Police departments operate on a set of standards called a Force Continuum which define the amount of force allowable in a given situation. A typical force continuum from a US government publication on use of force looks like this:
Verbal command
Handcuff suspect
Search suspect
Use wrist/arm lock
Use takedown
Block/punch/kick
Strike suspect
Wrestle suspect
Pepper spray
Use baton
Use firearmHere is a PDF document (http://ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/176330-2.pdf) which outlines Categories of Police Continuum of Force for 6 different cities (see page 37), and all are basically similar to the sample above.
As weâ??ve seen demonstrated in the videos above, the Police have decided that the best place to insert the new Taser capability is often immediately after verbal command, and long before any physical control attempts.
Amnesty International however has called for a Taser moratorium (http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/usa/document.do?id=1A01E91E134A327080256F190042408D) by all law enforcement agencies based on the concern that â??stun technologyâ?� promoted as harmless may, in fact, be â??excessive and lethal forceâ?� because of 74 deaths that the organization says have occurred after Taser use.
But it seems to me that officers should be allowed to use them, but forced to treat Tasers at the same level on the Force Continuum as Pepper Spray, another non-lethal weapon whose effects wear off. They both inflict the same amount of pain, although Tasers are just on a more compressed time line. Huge pain followed by quick relief, compared to moderate pain with slower relief. If anything, the Taser is worse.
In the end though, I think weâ??ve all become too sheepish to actually open our mouths and complain about the unnecessary force. For example, if youâ??ve got a blog are you going to publish this article? I generally doubt it. And that is evidence of why the Tasering will continue!
Well, that and the fact that we get to watch the hilarious antics of guys like this:

[andruejaysin]

The cops a few town over tasered a guy to death by shooting him with 2 tasers at once a couple towns over from where I live. He was naked, obviously not armed.

[jakez]

With a little luck those pigs will be around next time you blaze one up, no reason you should't get a few volts.

I hope so in 'king of the world's sake, this dude thinks the guy should get the death sentence for that! I wish I knew a word beyond insane right now.. lunatic?! Are you fucking for real?

Seriously though, on a completely unbiased level here, you people think this was justified?!!!!!!!!! Are you out of your stoned minds?! I think John Kerry even said "no, let me answer the question"..

[king of the world]

i said that cuz , everyone was saying that about vick.

and stop painting this whole incident into unequal shit. the dude got his question and kept on going. when he did not stop talking , they wanted to get him off the stage but the motherfucka refused. so you zap a dumbass that refused.

[killerweed420]

Still no justifiable reason why this loud mouth should have been tazered.
How many officers were in that room?
And they couldn't escort him off the premises.
Why did't they just ask Kerry if he was causing too much of a disruption?
Anybody know how widespread steroid use in the police force?
Anybody know what steroids do there pea brains?

[Dutch Pimp]

Here is a portion of an eyewitness account from a student called Tyler Antar that was there.

So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two
microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyerâ??s side. Senator Kerry began answering the studentâ??s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.
However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a studentâ??s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should â??spend time to answer everyoneâ??s questions!â?� Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would â??stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.â?� The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying â??what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!â?� The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other studentâ??s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).

[jakez]

Yeah, he had gun/bomb which is why he was franticly(sp?) trying to approach the MICROPHONE to speak...

So the worst case I can find against this guy is that he might have butted someone people in line and was rude or something? So let's arrest him...

If this was all 'done by the books' as some say, well if I was one of those police officers and I had to do that to someone my letter of resignation would be handed in the next day..

[Psycho4Bud]

Sounds now like ol' boy has a history of doing this type of crap. Big on getting his ass on you-tube.............guess some people have strange ways of "catching a buzz".:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[ntcrawler]

The guy got what was coming. He resisted not once, not twice, but three times!!!!!!

I didn't even know about Dutch Pimp posted so that just reinforces my view. I had a good video but they seemed to pull it off of youtube? You can still see it though if you search but when you click it it will not go to the video.

[Zimzum]

Better a tazer then a gun. And in a "3rd world dictatorship" he would have just been shot, no questions asked. He lives another day to go do whatever the hell he wants to do. I give a :thumbsup: to those leftest blogs for not falling off the edge of lunacy.

[texas grass]

cops have too much power in american now days. they are the biggest criminal gang in america, their policy is shoot first ask later, so many instances where multiple cops unload 1 and before 2 full clips on unarmed people. it proves in america you dont have right to free speech

[king of the world]

if your resisting arrest , you get tazered. whats wrong in this case?

[pisshead]

The meaning of that Kerry fracas In Florida Paul Craig Roberts
Online Journal (http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2434.shtml)
Wednesday September 19, 2007
Naïve Americans who think they live in a free society should watch this video (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?filmID=601) filmed by students at a John Kerry speech September 17, Constitution Day, at the University of Florida in Gainesville.
At the conclusion of Kerryâ??s speech, Andrew Meyer, a 21-year old journalism student was selected by Senator Kerry to ask a question. Meyer held up a copy of BBC investigative reporter Greg Palastâ??s book, Armed Madhouse, and asked if Kerry was aware that Palastâ??s investigations determined that Kerry had actually won the election. Why, Meyer asked, had Kerry conceded the election so quickly when there were so many obvious examples of vote fraud? Why, Meyer, went on to ask, was Kerry refusing to consider Bushâ??s impeachment when Bush was about to initiate another act of military aggression, this time against Iran?
At this point the publicâ??s protectors -- the police -- decided that Meyer had said too much. They grabbed Meyer and began dragging him off. Meyer said repeatedly, "I have done nothing wrong," which under our laws he had not. He threatened no one and assaulted no one.
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But the police decided that Meyer, an American citizen, had no right to free speech and no constitutional protection. They threw him to the floor and Tasered him right in front of Senator Kerry and the large student audience, who captured on video the unquestionable act of police brutality. Meyer was carted off and jailed on a phony charge of â??disrupting a public event."
The question we should all ask is why did a United States senator just stand there while Gestapo goons violated the constitutional rights of a student participating in a public event, brutalized him in full view of everyone, and then took him off to jail on phony charges?
Kerryâ??s meekness not only in the face of electoral fraud, not only in the face of Bushâ??s wars that are crimes under the Nuremberg standard, but also in the face of police goons trampling the constitutional rights of American citizens makes it completely clear that he was not fit to be president, and he is not fit to be a US senator.
Usually when police violate constitutional rights and commit acts of police brutality they do it when they believe no one is watching, not in front of a large audience. Clearly, the police have become more audacious in their abuse of rights and citizens. What explains the new fearlessness of police to violate rights and brutalize citizens without cause?
The answer is that police, most of whom have authoritarian personalities, have seen that constitutional rights are no longer protected. President Bush does not protect our constitutional rights. Neither does Vice President Cheney, nor the attorney general, nor the US Congress. Just as Kerry allowed Meyerâ??s rights to be Tasered out of him, Congress has enabled Bush to strip people, including American citizens, of constitutional protection and incarcerate them without presenting evidence.
How long before Kerry himself or some other senator will be dragged from his podium and Tasered?
The Bush Republicans with complicit Democrats have essentially brought government accountability to an end in the US. The US government has 80,000 people, including ordinary American citizens, on its "no-fly list." No one knows why they are on the list, and no one on the list can find out how to get off it. An unaccountable act by the Bush administration put them there.
Airport Security harasses and abuses people who do not fit any known definition of terrorist. Nalini Ghuman, a British-born citizen and music professor at Mills College in California was met on her return from a trip to England by armed guards at the airplane door and escorted away. A Gestapo goon squad tore up her US visa, defaced her British passport, body searched her, and told her she could leave immediately for England or be sent to a detention center.
Professor Ghuman, an Oxford University graduate with a Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley, says she feels like the character in Kafkaâ??s book, The Trial. "I donâ??t know why itâ??s happened, what Iâ??m accused of. Thereâ??s no opportunity to defend myself. One is just completely powerless." Over one year later there is still no answer. [Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why, By Nina Bernstein, New York Times, September 17, 2007]
The Bush Republicans and their Democratic toadies have, in the name of "security," made all of us powerless. While Senator John Kerry and his Democratic colleagues stand silently, the Bush administration has stolen our country from us and turned us into subjects.

[pisshead]

Author of tasered student's 'mystery book' points to irony in incident Jason Rhyne
Raw Story (http://rawstory.com//news/2007/..._0919.html)
Wednesday September 19, 2007
The book Andrew Meyer clutched in his hands moments before being swarmed and eventually tasered by police--a "mysterious" yellow book, reported the Washington Post--isn't so mysterious at all: it's the latest from BBC investigative reporter and author Greg Palast.
"About eleven people called me after it happened," Palast told RAW STORY. "Then I saw the full clip on YouTube."
Palast's book, Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans--Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild, was the basis for Meyer's comments to Sen. John Kerry, who had been fielding student questions in a forum at the University of Florida.
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On video, Meyer can be heard telling Kerry he'd like to recommend the book to him.
"It's called 'Armed Madhouse' by Greg Palast," the student said, "He's the top investigative journalist in America."
"I've already read it," Kerry replied, as Meyer went on to repeat conclusions from Palast's book, which contends Kerry actually won the 2004 presidential election.
What Meyer was referring to, according to Palast, was a chapter in the book called "Kerry Won. Now Get Over It," in which he says millions of votes cast in the 2004 election were discarded, not counted or prevented from being cast in the first place--a fact the author says has special relevance to the locale of Meyer's arrest.
"There's an entire dimension here that's not being covered here," Palast said of the controversy. "The interesting thing to me as a journalist, is that the [Meyers incident] occurred in Alachua County, Florida, one of the worst places in the country for black voters."
Addressing Kerry before he was taken away by officers, Meyer cites reports, presumably from Palast's book, about disenfranchisement of voters in Florida and Ohio.
"They were deliberately disenfranchising voters," Palast said of Alachua, the county home to Gainesville's University of Florida. "Gainesville is horrendous."
Calling the area the "center of the attack on the black voter," Palast pointed to a 2001 article he wrote in The Nation which details what he says were efforts under Republican-led state government to purge voting rolls of felons who were convicted in other states--eligible voters under Florida law--almost half of which may be black, according to statistics in the piece.
"It's one ugly place," said Palast, who also added that the police's actions in the Meyer case pale in comparison to intimidation techniques used by authorities against minority voters during elections.
As for the tasered Meyer, the author says he sympathizes.
"I must admit I feel some appreciation for [Meyer],"Palast writes at his website, "especially because, even while he was being shot with untold amps of electricity, until he was handcuffed, he would not let go of his mysterious yellow book..."
Palast says he would like to speak to the student and has contacted Meyer's lawyer to arrange a conversation.
"Maybe I'll go down and cover the trial," the journalist added, dead seriously.

[texas grass]

so in america you get arrested and tazed for asking questions
i guess you cant question the gov. or any powerful person without getting arrested to, eventhough america is the only country i know of that is supposed to have a TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT and the people are the gov. but we lost the transparency

if you believe in the america our founding fathers gave us you would believe its bs too along with everything else happening

[pisshead]

so in america you get arrested and tazed for asking questions
i guess you cant question the gov. or any powerful person without getting arrested to, eventhough america is the only country i know of that is supposed to have a TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT and the people are the gov. but we lost the transparency

if you believe in the america our founding fathers gave us you would believe its bs too along with everything else happening

wait until protesters start getting shot with real bullets during protests or for asking questions...and you'll still have people saying we need it to happen...it's not worth it try to convince them otherwise...

[andruejaysin]

They will figure it out when they accidently ask the wrong question.

[krazy chino]

i take the bus sumtimes and there i find the most obnoxious, loud, rude and annoying people....now i know i could just call the cops to throw and taser whoever gets on my nerves for being loud and obnoxious

[king of the world]

the guy was acting like an ass and not complying, he asnt "just asking a question" and got tazed. if he was humble and did not resist arrest i would understand. but he was acting up! i wonder if any of yall saw the video?:wtf:.

[andruejaysin]

Kissing pig ass may be a good way to avoid getting tasered, but it's a sad way to live your life.

[pisshead]

Kissing pig ass may be a good way to avoid getting tasered, but it's a sad way to live your life.

yes, now we have to grovel to our masters and we'll all be okay...it's the new freedom.

[420demoneyes]

i hope not! it's becoming a police state

[jakez]

I wish someone would do this at EVERY event like this so we can see which candidates actual have the balls to stick up for their citizens. Anyone who agrees with this ridiculous shit should be shot on site and I speak that from the Heart. You are nothing but an obstacle in the way of movement, a waste of space on this planet, a drone that does nothing but follow grey haired people in suits, we need to stop acting like complete children and handle these situations instead of ignoring them and tackling/tazering anyone who dares questions things. If I read right, the guy was struggling to make his way into the event and to the mic to get his questions asked, that sounds like actions of a concerned citizen to me. Obviously he had done nothing wrong beforehand because he had not been arrested yet.. only harrassed/followed. It really does not matter if he resisted arrest or anything else for that matter because the police had no reason to put their hands on him, all he had done was raise his voice and ask some great questions that is on Americas mind.

[Markass]

***A note from me, your friendly supportNORML webmaster... I know this has little to do with Marijuana reform, but honestly it disgusts me to watch this tape and see what happens to this student... and watch as NO ONE DOES ANYTHING to help him!! Anyone who was there should be ashamed of themselves for allowing a fellow student to be brought to the ground and tasered several times for doing nothing even close to violent! I believe this topic is slightly relevant because as you will read, this is not a rare occurance... it is common for people to witness a crime and do nothing to help the victim. COME ON PEOPLE! End of rant... read on***


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Date: Sep 19, 2007 12:32 PM


I am reposting this bulletin, because people need to know this information.

I am soooo disappointed in the onlooking students that watched as their fellow student was assaulted by an armed gang of uniforms with a taser, as he pleaded for help from someone.

One thing for certain, had I been there, or anyone I know, for that matter, I would be using force against these pigs to help out my fellow man.

It's cliche, but it's not cliche enough to say that the gov't should fear the people rather than vice versa.

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Date: Sep 19, 2007 1:36 AM


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Welcome to the new police state

What you have just witnessed in this video is an authentic scene of police state brutality. The video clearly shows that:

â?¢ Meyer was assaulted by six officers, thrown to the ground and attacked with a violent weapon.

â?¢ Meyer volunteered to leave the room if the officers would let him go.

â?¢ Meyer did not strike any officer at any time. His hands were always in a defensive position.

â?¢ Meyer attempted to flee his assailants (as any rational person would).

â?¢ Meyer committed no crime whatsoever. At no point did any law enforcement officer accuse Meyer of committing any crime other than "resisting arrest" (which is not a crime when the arrest is illegal in the first place, see below).

â?¢ Meyer was arrested for merely exercising his Free Speech rights.


It is every citizen's duty to resist false arrest

There is no such crime as "resisting arrest." This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen's right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen's attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

In other words, Andrew Meyer would have been justified in using whatever reasonable means necessary to defend his life against his assailants. The gang of six individuals who assaulted Meyer, regardless of what clothing and badges they were wearing, were threatening his safety and his life. They assaulted him with a dangerous and potentially deadly weapon, and they kidnapped him by forcefully removing him from the room against his will.

Was Meyer being annoying to others by taking up air time at the microphone? Perhaps so. But being annoying is not a crime. If it were, John Kerry, President Bush and practically elected official in the country should be arrested. They're all far more annoying than Meyer.

Additional information from the courts:

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

Why did the bystanders not assist Meyer?

The most astonishing thing about this video is not merely the fact that six police officers brutally assaulted and arrested Meyer for his "Free Speech crimes," but that this room full of onlookers did nothing while Meyer screamed for help. (YES!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?)

In 1964, a New York resident named Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death, screaming for help, while hundreds of her neighbors watched and did nothing. No one called the police. The case of Kitty Genovese became a lightning rod for psychological research that attempted to understand the madness of crowds and why a group of people would do nothing to help an innocent bystander.

(Elaine: This happened to me some years ago in a hotel, when I was being chased by an ex-boyfriend trying to assault me!!! It was one of the scariest times in my life as I screamed at the top of my lungs for someone to help me. Doors opened and closed just as quickly, but NOT ONE person came to my rescue!! I couldn't believe it!!)

Today, in Florida, a room full of fellow students looked on and did nothing while their classmate, Andrew Meyer, was brutally attacked by an armed gang, right on the floor in front of them. They watched and did nothing. Not one person attempted to rush to the aid of Meyer who was screaming "HELP! HELP ME!"

Do individuals have the right to come to the aid of another citizens being falsely arrested? You bet they do. As another court case ruled:

"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

And on the issue of actually killing an arresting officer in self defense:

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.


Why onlookers did nothing

The sad fact of this matter is that the onlookers did nothing because Americans have been terrorized by their own government to fear authority and follow orders. Americans fear their government. That alone is a dangerous situation, since the balance of power in a free society actually depends on a government fearing the people!

When the people fear their government, that government has complete power over the people. And our government in particular has used fear as a weapon of mass terror against the American people for several decades now. The U.S. government now has Americans so scared of fictitious threats that the citizens have submitted to the most insane security processes, such as surrendering bottles of water at the airport before boarding an airplane, or submitting to random searches of vehicles at roadside checkpoints.

In this particular video, we are watching a group of terrorized onlookers sit in their chairs and do nothing while a fellow citizen is arrested and assaulted for committing no crime. If all this sounds familiar, it should: You probably read it in the novel 1984 by George Orwell.

In a police state society, the citizens are turned against each other. Each looks out for only his own survival, ignoring cries for help by fellow citizens who are being assaulted or killed by the state-run police forces. No one comes to the aid of another because they, too, would then be arrested for "resisting arrest" and charged with some bogus crime (or simply locked away and "disappeared").

Don't think this could happen in the USA? You just watched it happen. You are witnessing the reaction of a nation of citizens who live in fear. There is no more rational reaction to police brutality in this country. Everyone simply watches it, tolerates it, and says nothing.

From this point there is no limit to the degree of police powers abuse that can now be perpetrated against the citizens of this nation. The sheeple have surrendered to fear and submitted to the false authority of so-called "law enforcement" gangs who actually have no respect whatsoever for laws.

Andrew Meyer deserves to be seen as a hero for his courageous actions in the face of police brutality and complete abandonment by his fellow students. His video serves as a powerful reminder that the citizens of this nation have already lost their freedoms, and if they do not wake up and start to protest, exercise free speech and fight against police brutality, they will never regain the rights and freedoms that once existed in this nation.


It is no coincidence that the police made an example of Andrew Meyer

One more thing worth remembering here: In a police state society, the state must, from time to time, remind the citizens who's in charge. This incident serves as a powerful reminder to those who might dare to exercise their Free Speech rights and ask tough questions of Senators or Presidents: Those who refuse to follow the propaganda will be assaulted and arrested!

The wild popularity of this video on YouTube only serves to remind millions of viewers of what might happen to them if they, too, decide to speak out and actually tell the truth at a public gathering.

Remember, the first rule of tyranny is that you've got to stop people from speaking the truth. The second rule is to punish anyone who dares to speak the truth, and the third rule is to make sure the people don't help each other resist false authority.

You saw all three rules played in in today's YouTube video. Watch it again at: YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE)

Thankfully, we're not yet in a full-on police state, or else you wouldn't be able to read this article. We still have some time to reverse this situation and take back our freedoms. I encourage you to do so in every non-violent way possible. Speak out! Protest! Tell the truth in an auditorium! Refuse to remain silent. Refuse to submit to fear and false authority.

Remember: The only way to protect Free Speech is to exercise it. Use it or lose it.

About the author: Mike Adams is a holistic nutritionist with a passion for teaching people how to improve their health He has authored more than 1,500 articles and dozens of reports, guides and interviews on natural health topics, impacting the lives of millions of readers around the world who are experiencing phenomenal health benefits from reading his articles. Adams is a trusted, independent journalist who receives no money or promotional fees whatsoever to write about other companies' products. In 2007, Adams launched EcoLEDs, a maker of super bright LED light bulbs that are 1000% more energy efficient than incandescent lights. He also founded an environmentally-friendly online retailer called BetterLifeGoods.com that uses retail profits to help support consumer advocacy programs. He's also the founder and CEO of a well known email mail merge software developer whose software, 'Email Marketing Director,' currently runs the NewsTarget email subscriptions. Adams volunteers his time to serve as the executive director of the Consumer Wellness Center, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization, and practices nature photography, Capoeira, Pilates and organic gardening. Known on the 'net as 'the Health Ranger,' Adams shares his ethics, mission statements and personal health statistics at HealthRanger.org - Health Through Education (http://www.HealthRanger.org)

Police state USA: Student assaulted and tasered by police for asking John Kerry the wrong question (http://www.newstarget.com/022041.html)




Andrew MeyerPolice state USA:

Student assaulted and tasered by police for asking John Kerry the wrong question

Tuesday, September 18, 2007 by: Mike Adams

Andrew Meyer, a 21-year-old student at the University of Florida, was assaulted by police officers yesterday immediately after asking Sen. John Kerry if he was associated with the Skull and Bones Society. Uniformed police officers brutally assaulted Meyer with a taser, jolting him with tens of thousands of volts of electricity as he screamed, "Help! Help me!" to a room full of astonished onlookers. The mainstream media is censoring the truth of this story, refusing to report the nature of the question asked by Meyer immediately preceding his brutal arrest and kidnapping (see below) by assaulting police officers.

A video of the event, filmed by Kyle Mitchell, is making the rounds on the internet and is available now at YouTube.com: YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE)

The two-minute video shows officers grabbing Meyer's arms, throwing him to the ground and then, after Meyer is already secured on the ground, blasting him with a taser.

Here's a blow-by-blow account of what happens in the video. All dialog below is from Andrew Meyer:

Meyer is at the microphone, asking Sen. John Kerry a question. Police are standing behind him. "Are you a member of Skull and Bones... are you in the same secret society?"

Two uniformed police officers step forward and grab his arms.

"Excuse me, what are you arresting me for?"

Officers are holding his arms and begin to march him away from the microphone.

"Woah, woah! Is anybody watching this?"

Meyer holds his arms in the air, is shouting something to the audience to get them to pay attention. The audio is difficult to hear. At no point is he fighting the officers or striking them in any way. He is merely holding his arms in the air and attempting to stand his ground and be heard.

A large uniformed officer forcefully picks him up by his torso and begins to carry him away from the room down the center aisle.

"Help! Help! They're arresting me! What have I done?"

When Meyer reaches the back of the room, he does what any rational human being would attempt to do when assaulted by someone: He attempts to flee.

"Get away from me, man. Get off of me!"

He tries to run but is grabbed by officers and thrown to the ground. The number of officers now assaulting Meyer is six: Four white males, one white female and one black male.

"What did I do? HELP! HELP!"

The six officers pin his arms and legs to the ground and pull out handcuffs.

"HELP ME! HELP! They're arresting me!"

The female officer, with her finger pointed at him, screams at him, "Stop resisting!"

He relaxes a bit and says, "If you let me go, I'll walk out of here."

The female officer says, "Quiet down! Do it now!"

Then the officers forcefully turn him over and thrust his torso to the ground so that he's laying flat on his stomach, with his face on the floor.

"Why are they arresting me? Can someone do something here?"

"What did I do? Get off me, man! I didn't do anything!"

He tries to sit up, using his arm to grasp the edge of a seat and pull himself up. An officer pulls out a taser.

"Don't tase me bro! Don't tase me!"

The officer tasers the student, and the taser clicking is clearly heard on the video.

"OWWW! OWWW! OWWW!"

Another girl is heard screaming in the background (unknown at this time who it is).

"OWWW! OH MY GOD! WHAT DID I DO?"

Someone screams in the background, "Police brutality!"

Someone in the foreground (bearded man) says, "Stay back!"

Police escort Meyer out of the room and the video ends.




I'm with them on this one, absolutely unnecessary..going to make him leave for asking what he wanted to ask? no, they're not going to arrest me for that b/s..I would've done the same thing

[jakez]

Why onlookers did nothing

The sad fact of this matter is that the onlookers did nothing because Americans have been terrorized by their own government to fear authority and follow orders. Americans fear their government. That alone is a dangerous situation, since the balance of power in a free society actually depends on a government fearing the people!

Precisely, I would never DREAM of putting my hands on an officer in a violent way no matter what kind of illegal/legal force he is using on me because I know my life would be in immediate danger. This guy had every right to resist and even FIGHT BACK, but imagine what would have happened if he fought back... surely they wouldn't outright shoot him, but I could imagine multiple tazers and possible death (which is entirely possible and has happeened plenty of times with multiple tazers).

If you have no intentions of sticking up for your citizens please GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!

[ntcrawler]

The guy butted his way to the front of the line because he didn't believe he would be able to get to the front in time for his question. This is why the police was flanking him(notice how they didn't arrest him yet or even ask him to leave, I'd call that pretty lenient). Then he goes on to ask 4 questions
"How could you concede?"
"Didn't you wanna be president?"
"Why didn't you say, 'Impeach Bush!'?"
"Were you a member of skull and bones?"

Thats 4 questions asked in his OVER A MINUTE RANT! Now how would you feel if you were the person in the back of the line and just got butted? You would probably just suck it up because its only one question! Oh wait, he gave 4 questions. How is that fair to his fellow man, I mean its so obvious that Meyer's multiple questions are so much more important then all the people he butted.

Now comes the fun part! They police have a job to do and were told to escort the man out. They grab the guy and try to lead him out the door. Now they weren't arresting him yet! They didn't have a kung-fu grip on him obviously because he slipped right out and in doing so it became a disturbance of the peace and resisting an officer. Another officer comes and tries to take push out and Meyer yet AGAIN pulls alway from the officer . The officers and Meyer end up on the ground and he still is resisting when they tell him to roll on his stomach and put his arms around his back. Now they could try to pull him out again. They could wrestle his arms behind him and risk injury. They could of just whipped out the good o'l Baton and beat him him in to submission. Instead they did the right thing and tazed him(note they did not have him hand cuffed at that point). Obviously it worked because they were able to hand cuff the fella and if you guys have seen the video of after they left the hall he was acting fine.

Reports say that he was light hearted and happy in the police car even going on to say, "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just doing your job."

Now who is really at fault here? The cops for doing their job? Meyer for starting a ruckus and not leaving the event peacefully?


Now my biggest complaint is the incomplete videos circulating and getting the most press!

Now I'm gonna list some of the videos

UF Police Taser Student During Kerry Forum (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5307657127017581467&q=university+of+florida+taser&total=557&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3)
^^^
This one seems to cut off at some points but is one of the best. Notice how they are about to get his other hand in the cuffs when he starts fighting again?

NEW VIDEO: University of Florida Taser Incident (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6325830637005579877&q=university+of+florida+taser&total=557&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)
^^^^
Whats up with the cut offs in some of these. There used to be a lot of good ones on youtube but they keep disappearing. None the less this shows the aftermath. Looks like the taser worked. He seems to be calming down and not as resistant.

YouTube - University of Florida Student Tasered at John Kerry Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPOCIvBVGg0)
^^^
This is one of my favorites. Its not full but gives viewer comments. If you noticed at 3:14 he is using his other hand on the chair as leverage resisting even more.

[Psycho4Bud]

Precisely, I would never DREAM of putting my hands on an officer in a violent way no matter what kind of illegal/legal force he is using on me because I know my life would be in immediate danger. This guy had every right to resist and even FIGHT BACK, but imagine what would have happened if he fought back... surely they wouldn't outright shoot him, but I could imagine multiple tazers and possible death (which is entirely possible and has happeened plenty of times with multiple tazers).

If you have no intentions of sticking up for your citizens please GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!

So you people think that all the students should have assaulted the cops during this event? Sure, get put up on charges, probably expelled from College........just so some assclown has his way. LMAO!

Besides that, there were students that were also sick and tired of his rant.........

Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

I mean its so obvious that Meyer's multiple questions are so much more important then all the people he butted.

Agreed.


So you people think that all the students should have assaulted the cops during this event? Sure, get put up on charges, probably expelled from College........just so some assclown has his way. LMAO!

Sucks it has to be that way doesn't it.. don't you see that is the problem? The students are not allowed/able to help him.


Besides that, there were students that were also sick and tired of his rant.........

Yeah, people like you, have you EVER took notice that "our (crazy liberal nutjobs)" questions NEVER get asked or answered? I didn't think so..

Here something you might have missed, notice the female officer interrupts him before he even asks any questions at all. And out of all the videos I never saw him butt infront of anyone in a line, but I'll take everyones word for it...

[Psycho4Bud]

Sucks it has to be that way doesn't it.. don't you see that is the problem? The students are not allowed/able to help him.

I don't get where your coming from here. Security is in place to keep order and your stating that the people should have the "right" to attack them? Get serious! WHERE in the world is this allowed?


Yeah, people like you, have you EVER took notice that "our (crazy liberal nutjobs)" questions NEVER get asked or answered? I didn't think so..

You have speakers like this for a limited amount of time. If one person hogs the time hell yeah...."people like me" get irritated.

Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

Haha this dude armed with a paperback book and surrounded by cops ready to silence him before he even speaks and then is overwhelmed by them all and taken to the ground and tazered for what? And people have no problem with that and even think it was right, that is hilarious...

[jakez]

Yeah you obviously don't understand where I'm coming from and that sucks for you and the rest of us. I know if I went to an event like this to have my voice heard and I'm swarmed by cops (not just 1 or 2) I would have done the same thing. The only thing I've HEARD done wrong was that he butt infront of some people, which they could have just cut his Mic off and told him to get back in line, but they obviously already had their mind set on arresting him. And the whole "resisting arrest" b/s is void because he should have never been arrested in the first place. I know it takes a second to process it through your narrow brain but maybe you will get it one day..

[Psycho4Bud]

Yeah you obviously don't understand where I'm coming from and that sucks for you and the rest of us. I know if I went to an event like this to have my voice heard and I'm swarmed by cops (not just 1 or 2) I would have done the same thing.

And likewise, if you sat at the microphone and babbled to the point that they shut it off, then after fighting the cops you got tazed.....I'd say I'd be having a humorous evening. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Get your; Don't Taze Me, Bro t-shirts here........LOL
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Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

And likewise, if you sat at the microphone and babbled to the point that they shut it off, then after fighting the cops you got tazed.....I'd say I'd be having a humorous evening. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

Rot. In. Hell.

[Psycho4Bud]

Rot. In. Hell.

I'm suggesting you chill out a bit.........that crap don't fly in here dude.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[jakez]

I'm suggesting you chill out a bit.........that crap don't fly in here dude.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Saying you find it humurous that my rights are violated and I'm being held down by a crowd of officers being tasered does not fly with me.

You know what, you win, we're all just pussies that want our rights upheld, forget it all just do what you want with us.. :wtf:

Since when is it cool to make fun of people that are sticking up for YOUR rights? It seems a lot of people like to act like this.. and honestly PB, I don't understand it. Why were these rights put there in the first place if we're all just pussies for using them?

[Psycho4Bud]

Since when is it cool to make fun of people that are sticking up for YOUR rights? It seems a lot of people like to act like this.. and honestly PB, I don't understand it. Why were these rights put there in the first place if we're all just pussies for using them?

First off I've done NOTHING to you so back off on the hostility. This is a forum for open debate not pissing down each others legs.

Next, creating a public scene isn't the way to go and when ya resist Johnny Law he usually wins. Let all them student drop the bomb on them cops with Kerry in the room and you'd find some people seriously fucked up! That is the way shit's handled the world wide. Many countries you wouldn't be seeing ol' boy for a long, long time.

Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

If Bush and his administration said "We have proof that of WMD's" and start a war over it, and then come to find out these WMD's don't even exist, why is this man still in office?

[ntcrawler]

My only response to you is to reread my previous point because you brought nothing up that wasn't already addressed in that post.

[Psycho4Bud]

If Bush and his administration said "We have proof that of WMD's" and start a war over it, and then come to find out these WMD's don't even exist, why is this man still in office?

Is there proof that the information that was given was fabricated and if so why isn't the Dem congress going after him then?

Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

Next, creating a public scene isn't the way to go

I think I've pinpointed what you don't understand, the scene was already created when this lone man was followed by a crowd of police into the event. I don't know about you, but when an officer (or a group of them) is in the room I am fully aware of his presence.


Many countries you wouldn't be seeing ol' boy for a long, long time.


Wow, my mom used to tell me stuff like that when I was a child "you have it so much better than those other kids", all of a sudden that makes it OK that this kind of event takes place..

[Psycho4Bud]

Dude.......this says it all:

The guy butted his way to the front of the line because he didn't believe he would be able to get to the front in time for his question. This is why the police was flanking him(notice how they didn't arrest him yet or even ask him to leave, I'd call that pretty lenient). Then he goes on to ask 4 questions
"How could you concede?"
"Didn't you wanna be president?"
"Why didn't you say, 'Impeach Bush!'?"
"Were you a member of skull and bones?"

Thats 4 questions asked in his OVER A MINUTE RANT! Now how would you feel if you were the person in the back of the line and just got butted? You would probably just suck it up because its only one question! Oh wait, he gave 4 questions. How is that fair to his fellow man, I mean its so obvious that Meyer's multiple questions are so much more important then all the people he butted.

Now comes the fun part! They police have a job to do and were told to escort the man out. They grab the guy and try to lead him out the door. Now they weren't arresting him yet! They didn't have a kung-fu grip on him obviously because he slipped right out and in doing so it became a disturbance of the peace and resisting an officer. Another officer comes and tries to take push out and Meyer yet AGAIN pulls alway from the officer . The officers and Meyer end up on the ground and he still is resisting when they tell him to roll on his stomach and put his arms around his back. Now they could try to pull him out again. They could wrestle his arms behind him and risk injury. They could of just whipped out the good o'l Baton and beat him him in to submission. Instead they did the right thing and tazed him(note they did not have him hand cuffed at that point). Obviously it worked because they were able to hand cuff the fella and if you guys have seen the video of after they left the hall he was acting fine.

He played the fool, caught a buzz...........you CANNOT go into a public forum like this and not expect problems. Saying that "he has the right" more/less states the the rest of the people don't have the right to receive out the forum what they expected. The rights of the many out weigh that of the one........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[jakez]

I'm not disagreeing with the fact he was a little foolish, however that doesn't justify the officers actions. It could have easily been handled better, this guy doesn't deserve a criminal record because he got a little hot headed (for good reason) in public bro..

Can anyone even show me some proof that he cut infront of people? I can't see this on any video and all the news reports I read are highly manipulating the facts.

[HighTillIDie]

this kid is doing the right thing... he is getting exposure...

and trust me, they didn't have to taze him...

he needed to ask his questions... not some tard trying to get kerry's views.

he, in my eyes is a hero... although he cried like a bitch, my hat is off to him for that, and i would of gladly taken the pain for him

[ntcrawler]

I'm not disagreeing with the fact he was a little foolish, however that doesn't justify the officers actions. It could have easily been handled better, this guy doesn't deserve a criminal record because he got a little hot headed (for good reason) in public bro..

Can anyone even show me some proof that he cut infront of people? I can't see this on any video and all the news reports I read are highly manipulating the facts.


The Swamp: Witness defends Kerry response to Taser incident (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/witness_defends_kerry_response.html)


' The cameras did not catch Meyer cutting off a student five words into a question, said Kathleen Shea, a junior who attended the forum.

"Not only did he jump up out of turn to the microphone, he was being very condescending," she said.

That's when students started pulling out their cameras, the student organizers cut off his microphone, and campus police tried to pull him away, Shea said. '

[jakez]

Although I do mostly believe he probably did cut infront of people, that still doesn't prove anything. Something gets out of hand and suddenly multiple students pull out cameras and start recording? I find that extremely hard to believe, there has to be full footage of the event somewhere..

Edit: according to this witnesses words, questioning was cut off before he went to the microphone, so he really wasn't cutting infront of anyone? Is the fact that he asked her to tape him wrong? Was he supposed to tape himself?


CLARISSA JESSUP SPOKE TO C-N-N ABOUT THE ARREST OF ANDREW MEYER, SAYING ORGANIZERS HAD CUT OFF QUESTIONING BEFORE HE WENT TO THE MICROPHONE.

and then..


The cameras did not catch Meyer cutting off a student five words into a question, said Kathleen Shea, a junior who attended the forum.

Someone needs to get their story straight..

[texas grass]

Dude.......this says it all:


The rights of the many out weigh that of the one........



hey Psycho, either everyone get the same rights or noone should get the right. if one gets the rights and another doesnt, its communist facist state.

no matter how annoying that guy was(and i havnt seen footage) it was his AMERICAN RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, and to my knowledge he didnt attack anyone, so worst that should have happened is the cops should have handcuffed him and escorted out of building and released him not to return(unless he wants jail time for tresspassing)

[texas grass]

sorry i didnt mean to quote dude......this says it all


just the rights of the many outweigh that of the one

[Psycho4Bud]

hey Psycho, either everyone get the same rights or noone should get the right. if one gets the rights and another doesnt, its communist facist state.

So everyone has the right to cut to the front of the line and hog the microphone for their own personal agenda........sounds like a plan. Maybe we could provide them with boxing gloves to see who the winner of free speach would be.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Markass]

Just as my post indicated...There was nothing for him to be arrested for, therefore resisting a false arrest is not illegal..He had every right to attempt to flee. It was a false arrest, and it was his duty, as the supreme court has ruled...

There is no such crime as "resisting arrest." This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen's right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen's attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

In other words, Andrew Meyer would have been justified in using whatever reasonable means necessary to defend his life against his assailants. The gang of six individuals who assaulted Meyer, regardless of what clothing and badges they were wearing, were threatening his safety and his life. They assaulted him with a dangerous and potentially deadly weapon, and they kidnapped him by forcefully removing him from the room against his will.

Was Meyer being annoying to others by taking up air time at the microphone? Perhaps so. But being annoying is not a crime. If it were, John Kerry, President Bush and practically elected official in the country should be arrested. They're all far more annoying than Meyer.

Additional information from the courts:

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

Why did the bystanders not assist Meyer?

The most astonishing thing about this video is not merely the fact that six police officers brutally assaulted and arrested Meyer for his "Free Speech crimes," but that this room full of onlookers did nothing while Meyer screamed for help. (YES!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?)

In 1964, a New York resident named Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death, screaming for help, while hundreds of her neighbors watched and did nothing. No one called the police. The case of Kitty Genovese became a lightning rod for psychological research that attempted to understand the madness of crowds and why a group of people would do nothing to help an innocent bystander.



Tell me that he deserved to have his rights violated? Fuck that, this is america, and that's what we're a free country for?

[ntcrawler]

Just as my post indicated...There was nothing for him to be arrested for, therefore resisting a false arrest is not illegal..He had every right to attempt to flee. It was a false arrest, and it was his duty, as the supreme court has ruled...

There is no such crime as "resisting arrest." This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen's right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen's attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

In other words, Andrew Meyer would have been justified in using whatever reasonable means necessary to defend his life against his assailants. The gang of six individuals who assaulted Meyer, regardless of what clothing and badges they were wearing, were threatening his safety and his life. They assaulted him with a dangerous and potentially deadly weapon, and they kidnapped him by forcefully removing him from the room against his will.

Was Meyer being annoying to others by taking up air time at the microphone? Perhaps so. But being annoying is not a crime. If it were, John Kerry, President Bush and practically elected official in the country should be arrested. They're all far more annoying than Meyer.

Additional information from the courts:

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

Why did the bystanders not assist Meyer?

The most astonishing thing about this video is not merely the fact that six police officers brutally assaulted and arrested Meyer for his "Free Speech crimes," but that this room full of onlookers did nothing while Meyer screamed for help. (YES!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?)

In 1964, a New York resident named Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death, screaming for help, while hundreds of her neighbors watched and did nothing. No one called the police. The case of Kitty Genovese became a lightning rod for psychological research that attempted to understand the madness of crowds and why a group of people would do nothing to help an innocent bystander.



Tell me that he deserved to have his rights violated? Fuck that, this is america, and that's what we're a free country for?

He was being escorted out of the building under the wishes of the Forum Organizers. He decided he wasn't going to go, Disturbing the Peace. :P

[Dutch Pimp]

...when this goes to court...justice will be served....(if he don't cop-a-plea).....:D

[FireTheft]

So everyone has the right to cut to the front of the line and hog the microphone for their own personal agenda........sounds like a plan. Maybe we could provide them with boxing gloves to see who the winner of free speach would be.

Have a good one!:s4:


hog? he asked 3 pointed questions and gave a short preface....he was on the mic for 1min 30sec and got it all out....kerry even said he would answer the questions.

was he a little bit of a dick? yes! but it's college! many college students are very much into activism at that age. Not only that...its Kerry...someone who's been involved with politics for a majority of his life....they're all used to hecklers, haters and people who ask difficult questions.

when they were holding him down on the ground you can even hear the kid say "i'll walk out of here" but he got tazed anyway

[jakez]

This is what happens everytime, we are talking about talking about the real topic at hand, what I mean is, instead of discussing his questions for Kerry here and what his real motive was, we are discussing what has happened when he tried to talk, avoiding the real topic at hand, which is John Kerry and the questions. Every time someone speaks out with information like this everyone's discussion is focused on their actions and talking about why they said that and not WHAT THEY SAID!

It's the same thing with the war, moveon.org publishes an ad that some people don't like so we decide to talk about talking about the war instead of talking about the war itself.

[ntcrawler]

This is what happens everytime, we are talking about talking about the real topic at hand, what I mean is, instead of discussing his questions for Kerry here and what his real motive was, we are discussing what has happened when he tried to talk, avoiding the real topic at hand, which is John Kerry and the questions. Every time someone speaks out with information like this everyone's discussion is focused on their actions and talking about why they said that and not WHAT THEY SAID!

It's the same thing with the war, moveon.org publishes an ad that some people don't like so we decide to talk about talking about the war instead of talking about the war itself.

Noooo. The "Real Topic".... The real topic is what the first poster made. If you wanna talk about that stuff then make a new topic.

[ntcrawler]

hog? he asked 3 pointed questions and gave a short preface....he was on the mic for 1min 30sec and got it all out....kerry even said he would answer the questions.

was he a little bit of a dick? yes! but it's college! many college students are very much into activism at that age. Not only that...its Kerry...someone who's been involved with politics for a majority of his life....they're all used to hecklers, haters and people who ask difficult questions.

when they were holding him down on the ground you can even hear the kid say "i'll walk out of here" but he got tazed anyway

They tried walking him out and he pulled alway. Not once but twice when they tried escorting him. Sadly Kerry doesn't have a say on whether he stays or not because it is the organizers of the forum's decision.

[HighTillIDie]

anyone else want to hear from kerry?

[Psycho4Bud]

Just as my post indicated...There was nothing for him to be arrested for, therefore resisting a false arrest is not illegal..He had every right to attempt to flee. It was a false arrest, and it was his duty, as the supreme court has ruled...

Post me a link my friend that states that in case that you feel your being arrested withour a just cause you can fight the cops.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

anyone else want to hear from kerry?

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, the rest of the people that showed up for the speach?

I don't care for the s.o.b. but I don't think that the rest of the crowd was there to see the shocking of an assclown as compared to hear Kerry.

Have a good one!:s4:

[mfqr]

He was being escorted out of the building under the wishes of the Forum Organizers. He decided he wasn't going to go, Disturbing the Peace. :P

And that means he was tased for a good reason? Seriously, it is out of hand. How could you support this? Free your mind, it isn't right for this stuff to happen.

THE CONSEQUENCE DID NOT FIT THE "CRIME"

[ntcrawler]

And that means he was tased for a good reason? Seriously, it is out of hand. How could you support this? Free your mind, it isn't right for this stuff to happen.

THE CONSEQUENCE DID NOT FIT THE "CRIME"

He was tased so they could get the hand cuffs on him. Did it not work? They could of risked injury on themselves and Meyer if they decided to wrestle with him. They could of just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well. They took the best route and he seemed fine when they took him out of the hall. My mind is free; it is yours that seems hung up.

[pisshead]

And that means he was tased for a good reason? Seriously, it is out of hand. How could you support this? Free your mind, it isn't right for this stuff to happen.

THE CONSEQUENCE DID NOT FIT THE "CRIME"

you're right, in retrospect they probably should have just blown his head off right there...that would have made it even easier to handcuff him and arrest him for daring to ask an elitist god a question...

score one for freedom!!

[notransfer]

and again pisshead you send my mind twirling into outer space...

...its a compliment because it seems most of your stuff levels and rebuilds my conspiracy thought process

[jakez]

This is what happens everytime, we are talking about talking about the real topic at hand, what I mean is, instead of discussing his questions for Kerry here and what his real motive was, we are discussing what has happened when he tried to talk to him, avoiding the real topic at hand, which is John Kerry and the questions. Every time someone speaks out with information like this everyone's discussion is focused on their actions and talking about why they said that and not WHAT THEY SAID!

It's the same thing with the war, moveon.org publishes an ad that some people don't like so we decide to talk about talking about the war instead of talking about the war itself.
Noooo. The "Real Topic".... The real topic is what the first poster made. If you wanna talk about that stuff then make a new topic.

???? I was on topic.

[ntcrawler]

I could be wrong but I was under the impression that you wanted to talk about the questions he asked and referred to it as the "real topic".

[mfqr]

He was tased so they could get the hand cuffs on him. Did it not work? They could of risked injury on themselves and Meyer if they decided to wrestle with him. They could of just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well. They took the best route and he seemed fine when they took him out of the hall. My mind is free; it is yours that seems hung up.

You seem to be dismissing the fact that a bunch of cops were holding him down. With all that muscle power, why would they need to tase him? How could they not have handcuffed him without the taser? Your argument makes no sense. Your mind isn't free, you're supporting police brutality with the idea that "he could have hurt the cops, or himself." Explain that one, because last time I checked, they had him pinned down. Obviously he couldn't do a thing to hurt the cops. This is police brutality, and it is you who has been manipulated to support it.

"They could have just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well". Hypothetically speaking, if they didn't have tasers, would you have supported this course of action?

You clearly don't understand those cops (that's plural) holding him down already had him subdued, for the most part. It would have just taken a minute or two longer to get the cuffs on him. Oh, but of course, that's really inconvenient for the cops, right? So, if it's inconvenient for the cops to spend a little extra time to prevent the violent act of using a taser, then the person who committed the so-called crime should be tased. Is this right? I'm not sure, I can't really predict your arguments, because I have not been manipulated to support police brutality, and the impending police state.

[Markass]

Post me a link my friend that states that in case that you feel your being arrested withour a just cause you can fight the cops.

Have a good one!:s4:

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

...have a good one :thumbsup:

[Markass]

Post me a link my friend that states that in case that you feel your being arrested withour a just cause you can fight the cops.

Have a good one!:s4:

and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..and in this case, regardless of if the kid was just being escorted out in the first place, there was no reason for the cops to even put his hands on him, he was merely asking questions, and fortunately, as some weirdos say, we're fighting in Iraq for our 'rights and freedoms' haha, yeah, whatever, but this is a country where it's citizens have rights..

[Psycho4Bud]

and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..and in this case, regardless of if the kid was just being escorted out in the first place, there was no reason for the cops to even put his hands on him, he was merely asking questions, and fortunately, as some weirdos say, we're fighting in Iraq for our 'rights and freedoms' haha, yeah, whatever, but this is a country where it's citizens have rights..

He has a history there.......he was being walked out and started to resist as was VERY clear in all the vids. So where is the unjust arrest?

Have a good one!:s4:

[Markass]

If the arrest itself is a false arrest(one for no reason)..then there is no resisting arrest, because technically he's not being arrested...they had NO reason to even put their hands on him.

Did you miss the higher court cases I posted before the post you quoted?

There is no such crime as "resisting arrest." This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen's right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen's attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

In other words, Andrew Meyer would have been justified in using whatever reasonable means necessary to defend his life against his assailants. The gang of six individuals who assaulted Meyer, regardless of what clothing and badges they were wearing, were threatening his safety and his life. They assaulted him with a dangerous and potentially deadly weapon, and they kidnapped him by forcefully removing him from the room against his will.

Was Meyer being annoying to others by taking up air time at the microphone? Perhaps so. But being annoying is not a crime. If it were, John Kerry, President Bush and practically elected official in the country should be arrested. They're all far more annoying than Meyer.

[ntcrawler]

You seem to be dismissing the fact that a bunch of cops were holding him down. With all that muscle power, why would they need to tase him? How could they not have handcuffed him without the taser? Your argument makes no sense. Your mind isn't free, you're supporting police brutality with the idea that "he could have hurt the cops, or himself." Explain that one, because last time I checked, they had him pinned down. Obviously he couldn't do a thing to hurt the cops. This is police brutality, and it is you who has been manipulated to support it.

"They could have just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well". Hypothetically speaking, if they didn't have tasers, would you have supported this course of action?

You clearly don't understand those cops (that's plural) holding him down already had him subdued, for the most part. It would have just taken a minute or two longer to get the cuffs on him. Oh, but of course, that's really inconvenient for the cops, right? So, if it's inconvenient for the cops to spend a little extra time to prevent the violent act of using a taser, then the person who committed the so-called crime should be tased. Is this right? I'm not sure, I can't really predict your arguments, because I have not been manipulated to support police brutality, and the impending police state.

Like I said, they could of wrestled with him. Now right before they buzzed him he was using his free hand to gain leverage on a chair. If they proceeded to try to pull him over and they broke his arm you would still be crying police brutality. Was Meyer disabled in the video afterwards? Did the shock actually injure him? I haven't heard of any injuries received because of the shock therefore calling police brutality for this case is slap in the face to all the REAL cases of police brutality.

[Zimzum]

and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..

You are not under arrest until you are read your Miranda rights. Police can still detain you with cuffs while they perform an investigation. And if you know youâ??re innocent of said crime how do you know the police believe the same? Nothing in the constitution allows oneself to self judge ones own innocents. That is why we have a jury of our peers, justice is truly blind. This kid was not under arrest until he started to resist, simple.

If I talked back to my parent as a kid I wouldn't be sitting comfortably for the next few days, but I would have learned my lesson. Same is true for the tazed kid, if he had followed the forum rules and did not be rude and cut people off then maybe he would not have been asked to leave and have it snowball downhill from there on. This guy WAS on private property and has to adhere to the rules set forth. He resisted leaving the place on his own so force was necessary to remove him. Later on you can hear him say "if you let me go I will just leave", why did he not just leave when first told to? He was guilty of disorderly conduct, and got what he had coming. Too many people today lack discipline and respect for anything.

[mfqr]

Like I said, they could of wrestled with him. Now right before they buzzed him he was using his free hand to gain leverage on a chair. If they proceeded to try to pull him over and they broke his arm you would still be crying police brutality. Was Meyer disabled in the video afterwards? Did the shock actually injure him? I haven't heard of any injuries received because of the shock therefore calling police brutality for this case is slap in the face to all the REAL cases of police brutality.

Break his arm? LOL. Now you're just resorting to making up hypothetical situations and using them as an argument.

Um, in case you didn't know, getting tased hurts quite a bit. It doesn't have to "injure" someone to be police brutality. By the way, there have been deaths from tasers. Of course, that is when police are using more than one taser. And yes, that is police brutality - worse than this video. This video isn't bad police brutality, but it is police brutality nonetheless.


If there were no tasers, would you have supported the concept of beating him into submission with a baton? In your other post you said that would have worked as well. Would you have supported that course of action if no tasers were available? Because apparently you think the dude was dangerous to the handful of cops and himself. I truly think that is a ridiculous thing to say when a bunch of cops already pretty much wrestled him to the floor. He was using his other arm to try and get away... but oh, wait, I guess 6 cops aren't strong enough to pull his arm into place to handcuff him.

[ntcrawler]

Break his arm? LOL. Now you're just resorting to making up hypothetical situations and using them as an argument.

Um, in case you didn't know, getting tased hurts quite a bit. It doesn't have to "injure" someone to be police brutality. By the way, there have been deaths from tasers. Of course, that is when police are using more than one taser. And yes, that is police brutality - worse than this video. This video isn't bad police brutality, but it is police brutality nonetheless.


If there were no tasers, would you have supported the concept of beating him into submission with a baton? In your other post you said that would have worked as well. Would you have supported that course of action if no tasers were available? Because apparently you think the dude was dangerous to the handful of cops and himself. I truly think that is a ridiculous thing to say when a bunch of cops already pretty much wrestled him to the floor. He was using his other arm to try and get away... but oh, wait, I guess 6 cops aren't strong enough to pull his arm into place to handcuff him.

No, I do not believe a baton would of been a good course of action and I truly believe the taser was the best course of action. If the taser wasn't involved then I would go with the wrestling. Will you at least admit that Meyer shouldn't have resisted being escorted out of the building? Would he of got tased if he left peacefully? Would any of this of happened if he left peacefully with the police?

[king of the world]

in case you still havent seen the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsUG7TpkuY&NR=1

[king of the world]

No, I do not believe a baton would of been a good course of action and I truly believe the taser was the best course of action. If the taser wasn't involved then I would go with the wrestling. Will you at least admit that Meyer shouldn't have resisted being escorted out of the building? Would he of got tased if he left peacefully? Would any of this of happened if he left peacefully with the police?

he would have definently not have been tazed if he left peacefully. he should have handled the situation like an adult. if he was being treated unfair or being arrested for an unnecesary reason, then he should have just cooperated and later on sued.

[Hardcore Newbie]

A taser is not supposed to be a shortcut to submission.

[Anubis10012007]

I saw that video. That was messed up. He just asked a question and was hauled away. It's a shame when police arrest you for questioning authority. The police had to be more cautious since the cameras were there.

[king of the world]

the thing is he caused a problem before he went on the mic thats why the cops are all around him, they already wanted to kick him out of there. they did not want to cause to much problems, so they waited till he finished his question, then proceeded to arrest him.

[ntcrawler]

I saw that video. That was messed up. He just asked a question and was hauled away. It's a shame when police arrest you for questioning authority. The police had to be more cautious since the cameras were there.

Please read the whole thread. It seems like you haven't read up on whats going on and are ill informed.

[jakez]

edit: wrong thread, wth

[Anubis10012007]

Please read the whole thread. It seems like you haven't read up on whats going on and are ill informed.No I saw the video and I'm informed well enough on the topic thank you. You don't arrest someone in America for asking a question. Thats illegal. He was just asking "the wrong questions". However, it is illegal under law to violate freedom of speech.

[ntcrawler]

No I saw the video and I'm informed well enough on the topic thank you. You don't arrest someone in America for asking a question. Thats illegal. He was just asking "the wrong questions". However, it is illegal under law to violate freedom of speech.

Not to sound rude but I still don't think your informed enough. He was not arrested for asking a question; He was arrested for disturbing the peace. He started disturbing the peace when he would not let the officers escort him out of the building(remember, they were not arresting him yet) and decided to try to get alway twice!

[king of the world]

Not to sound rude but I still don't think your informed enough. He was not arrested for asking a question; He was arrested for disturbing the peace. He started disturbing the peace when he would not let the officers escort him out of the building(remember, they were not arresting him yet) and decided to try to get alway twice!

true that

[jakez]

4 pages of getting nowhere, welcome to America.

70 Deaths After Use Of Stun Gun - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml)


On Long Island, David Glowczenski was suffering a mental breakdown, so his family called police for help.

His sister, Jean Griffin, says, "We called them for safety because he was disoriented. â?¦And an hour later he was dead."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zimzum]

70 deaths compared to how many death by the gun? I'm willing to bet the gun comes out on top hands down still. Tear gas has caused deaths and so haven't bean bag guns. Hell, I play paintball and people can die from that as well. Its the fools who abuse there power and authority that give it a bad name, just like weed.

[Psycho4Bud]

The cops stun guns are only 50,000V....you can get them on e-bay rated at 900,000V! Hell, I personally got a 300,000V one.
New SECURITY STUNGUN 900,000 volt Stun Gun + BATTERIES - (eBay item 110172227634 end time Sep-26-07 21:50:18 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-SECURITY-STUNGUN-900-000-volt-Stun-Gun-BATTERIES_W0QQitemZ110172227634QQihZ001QQcategoryZ 79850QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

As far as the strength aspect of their stunners it's far from "excessive force" looking at what's available on the market.

Have a good one!:s4:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

As far as the strength aspect of their stunners it's far from "excessive force" looking at what's available on the market.
it's not the power or lack of power in these weapons that's the problem. it's the fact that a potentially deadly instrument is considered non-lethal and can therefore be used with impunity. i agree that this fool deserved some punishment for the disturbance he caused, but using electrocution as a shortcut when detaining someone is "excessive force" and shows a lack of foresight in the handling of the situation.