Passed home test 3 days and 4th day failed?

[SmokeyDude]

I passed my home drug tests for three days after not smoking for 23 days -- the forth day, after taking a prescribed Xanax the night before, I then failed twice today. Does this make sense? I thought once negative, always negative. Does Xanax cause a false positive or is it common for my test to turn around and go back to negative? I haven't changed anything else so I have to attribute the failure to the Xanax. Am I making the wrong assumption?:(:(:(

[SmokeyDude]

I was testing positive until the other night when I took my prescription meds. I haven't taken any more since then but am still testing negative (it might be positive but I'm convinced I'm hallucinating the very faint line on the stick read window)... Please, anyone have any ideas why without toking up I would go back to positive results? I even ate almost an entire corned beef to update my fats but no change -- My test is in 12 days and I'm getting very worried. About the dilution, if I drink 5 bottles of red gatorade the morning of the test, will this be enough to keep my specific gravity and creatnine up? Do I need to do other things as well? I'm not going to to the substitute urine because I don't really know anyone well enough to say, 'Hey dude, give me your piss' and the synthetic stuff just bugs me for some reason. I may be watched as well. I just want to pass the test and it's been 29 days now since my last smoke -- Please any advice will be greatly appreciated!:(:(:

[FakeBoobsRule]

Very puzzling. No prescribed Xanax will not cause a false positive.

Next, were you using just a THC test or a multi panel test? Were you using first voids or when? Were you drinking a lot of fluids when you passed or really dehydrated when you failed? Any aerobic exercise in there?

Thousands of people have passed using Quick Fix, maybe hundreds of thousands. If you are freaked out about it there is no reason. Employment test are not observed unless you give cause.

You will have 35 days clean by the test. I you really want to dilute instead of subbing, which is what I normally recommend, you would have a great chance of passing based on the clean time if you are still failing tests. You need to read the sticky on dilution again though to read about the TUms/Rolaids and red meat (and fish BTW).

[SmokeyDude]

Very puzzling. No prescribed Xanax will not cause a false positive.

Next, were you using just a THC test or a multi panel test? Were you using first voids or when? Were you drinking a lot of fluids when you passed or really dehydrated when you failed? Any aerobic exercise in there?
I am using only the TCH test. Its the only test on the strip. I had perhaps had a little more fluid in my system on those days, a beer here a lemonade from Chik-Fil-A there and perhaps a few Pepsi's.
No, not a lot of excercise other than updating my house for moving but that's been a lot of work and I hope good excercise (painting and the such) and one day of 2 hours worth of swimming. I only tested once with my 2nd urine of the day and it was after a pepsi but other were all during the later hours of my day.


You will have 35 days clean by the test. I you really want to dilute instead of subbing, which is what I normally recommend, you would have a great chance of passing based on the clean time if you are still failing tests. You need to read the sticky on dilution again though to read about the TUms/Rolaids and red meat (and fish BTW).
I haven't seen the Tums/Rolaids and red meat thread.. I'll look for that again. I have ordered another round of test strips and will continue to test, but I'm very concerned about the turn around. I will try the Gatorade tests on myself next week to see if it makes a difference. My problem with the synthetic urine stuff is this... I'm not sure when they'll want me to test (middle of my first day or the day after first thing in the AM) -- I will maintain my fluids however in the meantime to try to keep myself well hydrated. I'm just really worried (which is why I have to take Xanax probably) and hopefully that is as well increasing my metabolism.
Do you know anything about the Gatorade and my specific gravities and creatnine levels?
I'm glad you think that the 35 day window is worthy and will keep me from failing.
I saw a suggestion about taking some Aspirin -- Is this good advice and will it do me any good? I'm not sure what the pharmaceutical reasoning is behind the Aspirin, but I'm willing to take them.
Thanks again for all of the advice!

[rantingsweed]

dude you should be fine, if it's been 23 days and you have 12 more that's a long time.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Don't listen to rantingweed please. Obviously there are some issues going on with your upcoming test that need to be addressed and not put to rest by "dude you will be fine." Unbelievable.


I haven't seen the Tums/Rolaids and red meat thread.. I'll look for that again. I have ordered another round of test strips and will continue to test, but I'm very concerned about the turn around. I will try the Gatorade tests on myself next week to see if it makes a difference. My problem with the synthetic urine stuff is this... I'm not sure when they'll want me to test (middle of my first day or the day after first thing in the AM) -- I will maintain my fluids however in the meantime to try to keep myself well hydrated. I'm just really worried (which is why I have to take Xanax probably) and hopefully that is as well increasing my metabolism.
Do you know anything about the Gatorade and my specific gravities and creatnine levels?
I'm glad you think that the 35 day window is worthy and will keep me from failing.
I saw a suggestion about taking some Aspirin -- Is this good advice and will it do me any good? I'm not sure what the pharmaceutical reasoning is behind the Aspirin, but I'm willing to take them.
Thanks again for all of the advice!

All get to all of that in a minute. I have got to put up my spoonfeeding spoon and get ready to go out so read carefully. You should test with the first void of the day because it is the dirtiest. If you pass this one then that is a more accurate gauge because it is the dirtiest and fluid intake through the day can affect tests taken later on in the day. It is the worst case scenario too.

Everything is in the dilution sticky including the creatine. Sports drinks are preferred over water due to salt content which helps SG. Tums/Rolaids also for SG. If you are close to passing but a little over the cutoff taking aspirin can interfer with one brand of immunoassay(the first half of a lab test) test, EMIT. You can't know which brand the lab is using so you take it anyway because it can't hurt. Meat contains creatine which is metabolized to creatinine. It's in the sticky too.

If you are borderline pass/fail and you are doing a lot of aerobic exercise, such as swimming, it can raise your THC metabolite level in your urine because it is burning fat releasing metabolites. For those who may read this later, this is important if you are close. If you have been clean for weeks and you exercise it will not dig up deep down hiden metabolites but this person is obviously close as they are getting results both ways. Stop exercising for a few days if you are going to test again and take a 3-5 day break before your test if you are getting "positive/negative results.

[jeffman]

Great info back and forth Guys, Good luck SmokeyDude.

Hey FB, I know it sucks for You to answer the same questions over and over but it does make great reading for those of Us who read and study and like Myself are proof that the answers are in this forum to beat these tests Everytime.

Still Winston

ATTENTION: ALIENS ARE COMING TO ABDUCT ALL THE GOOD LOOKING AND SEXY PEOPLE.

YOU WILL BE SAFE........I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOODBYE.

[SmokeyDude]

Ok, now it's been 33 days since my last toke-up. I just got some more home tests and am still peeing hot. Is this unusual? I have seen where most of you guys pass in 7-14 days but I am not having the same luck. Am I doing something wrong?!? I would think not as I'm simply dipping the little test strip into a cup and then reading it. Sheez... What a nightmare. I've got another 7-8 days before my test. I went out today and bought a bottle of B-Complex, aspirin, rolaids and a butt-load of Gatoraide. I'm praying to my gods that things turn around soon. Anyone else gone 33 days clean and still hot? I said I thought my internal organs were made of pot, now I'm really beginning to wonder. Those few days of negative testing made me really happy, now I'm Anxiety Dude! Perhaps I should go on that Who Wants to be a Superhero show...
At any rate, thanks for all the good advice. I saw a 'semi-dilution' thread I think was good, if I can find it again. I'll keep you guys updated but til then, keep tokin for me!

[FakeBoobsRule]

It's not uncommon for chronic smokers to take 60 days to pass. You're reading the tests right aren't you?

[SmokeyDude]

Well, as far as I can tell. Here's the last two tests I took:
1: 3 hours ago: pre-dinner
2: 5 mins ago: post-dinner (1 glass of Iced Tea and 1/2 can pepsi)

and I'm not 100% sure that test 1 doesn't have a very faint line in it.

Thanks!

[killerweed420]

The bottom one has a faint line so it "could" be considered negative.
What is your height and weight?
I'm 6'1" and 280 lbs and it takes me about 3 weeks to get clean if I smoke everyday.
You might think about subbing.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Test with a first void of the day and post that pic.

[SmokeyDude]

I'm 6'1/175lb (average build) -- Low on the excercise scale -- I walk a lot usually. I have a scale that calculates my body fat percentage: 22.4% --
I'll post a first of the day void asap.
Thanks guys.
I am definately not clean as quickly as you are 420, I wish I was... That would be most excellent indeed. What is your excercise habit? Work out a lot I imagine...

[water]

there are some foods which can cause a false positive

[FakeBoobsRule]

there are some foods which can cause a false positive

No there's not. Smokey, get some soluble fiber like metamucil and see if it helps. If you get the caps take 6 caps 3-4 times a day.

[killerweed420]

I'm 6'1/175lb (average build) -- Low on the excercise scale -- I walk a lot usually. I have a scale that calculates my body fat percentage: 22.4% --
I'll post a first of the day void asap.
Thanks guys.
I am definately not clean as quickly as you are 420, I wish I was... That would be most excellent indeed. What is your excercise habit? Work out a lot I imagine...

I don't exercise at all.Not sure what my metabolism rate is but I always take a shit within a half hour of a meal.Which i've heard usually means you have a fairly quick metabolism.Or maybe I just shit a lot.lol
I would highly recommend subbing if you're having this much trouble getting clean.I'm still of a feeling something is giving you a false positive or interfering with test.Eating anything unusual?

[SmokeyDude]

No man. I haven't changed my diet at all -- mostly crap usually -- Lots of Fritos! I love Fritos... At any rate, I eat a shitload of red meat and as odd as it is to actually state, usually am in the bathroom pretty quickly after a meal as well. I haven't added anything new to my diet. That's why I wondered if the anxiety medication was causing a false pos but I've not taken any more of it since my first encounter with the negative result. Like I say, high anxiety should = high metabolism -- I have no idea why I would be taking so long to get clean. I'm going to try the Gatorade/Aspirin/Rolaids thing tomorrow to see what my results are and then hope for the best. If the 'mild dilution' technique works tomorrow I'll hope for that on the day of my test. But, again, not sure how long between 'go take the test' and the actual test so I may have to do it in a hurry next week... Damn, you'd think with all the people toking up, the drug panel would stop testing for THC. What a ridiculous waste of time and money. I mean Meth, Coke, Heroin, maybe, you can get addicted to that and sell your employers shit to get a fix, but how many pot heads are selling their employer's crap to get a fix (I'm sure theres one or two)??? I haven't met any and I've been smoking for a loooong time. Probably my problem anyway... But, alas, I digress -- what is going to happen is going to happen but I'm hoping and praying that my body decides in the next week to dump the metabolites... As if I'm looking forward to crapping even more with the Metamucil tabs that Boobs suggested. He seems to know his stuff so I'm going to go out tomorrow and drop some more $$ and take his sage advice (Thanks Boobs for all of it too!). :hippy:

[SmokeyDude]

Here ya go... Another failure... This is so totally insane.....
Talk about worried... Sheez... Should I go on a 10 mile bike ride? I've still got a week....

[jeffman]

Here ya go... Another failure... This is so totally insane.....
Talk about worried... Sheez... Should I go on a 10 mile bike ride? I've still got a week....
I bought a bunch of these same test on e-bay and have tested three times in a practice situation and they worked because I'm filthy but....
This thread got a little long for Me and I lost interest (sorry) but I'm wondering if You ever tried one on a straight person. I have not.

[killerweed420]

Here ya go... Another failure... This is so totally insane.....
Talk about worried... Sheez... Should I go on a 10 mile bike ride? I've still got a week....
Was this the first piss of the day?
Looks like you might be one of the unlucky ones that hold that thc forever.
I would seriously consider going the quickfix route.I did it a couple weeks for a new job that popped out of the blue with no time to get clean.It works.Just practice your routine so your familiar with it.

[IIQuickSilverII]

Was this the first piss of the day?
Looks like you might be one of the unlucky ones that hold that thc forever.
I would seriously consider going the quickfix route.I did it a couple weeks for a new job that popped out of the blue with no time to get clean.It works.Just practice your routine so your familiar with it.


+2
ill second the quickfix...

killerweed, enlighten us with your "routine" :)

[gcssp]

You Guys are killing me with all this detox/dilution crap! It is soo much easier to just buy synthetic urine. The synthetic urine will pass any urine drug test. No guessing! Products that will work are Quick Fix, Yurinflow, or Number1. All that you have to do is add the heating element to the product. Thousands have passed using synthetic urine.

[killerweed420]

You Guys are killing me with all this detox/dilution crap! It is soo much easier to just buy synthetic urine. The synthetic urine will pass any urine drug test. No guessing! Products that will work are Quick Fix, Yurinflow, or Number1. All that you have to do is add the heating element to the product. Thousands have passed using synthetic urine.
I have used it too but some people seem to think its too much hassle but its not.Its very easy and works 100% of the time if done correctly.

[IIQuickSilverII]

I have used it too but some people seem to think its too much hassle but its not.Its very easy and works 100% of the time if done correctly.

man getting the temp right is easy as hell....

jsut better work..i gotta take my test in 5 hours

[SmokeyDude]

So, I decide after reading post after post about the QuickFix stuff that I might need to go this route instead of the dilution method. So I go to the websites that sell the stuff and wouldn't you know it's illegal to sell or ship to my state?!? What are the f'in chances? I know there was a full moon last night, but COME ON!!!! I guess it's back to Gatorade and Aspirin and Rolaids -- At least I won't have heartburn or a headache when they test me.... grrr...
It's now been 35 days and today (not first urine of the day) and without any fluid loading, I passed my home test (I mean it was faint, but purple!) -- I'm hoping that as the levels get lower, they decrease more quickly. Like I think I'm finally below the 50 level, but am still worried as the company i'm starting with is a 0 tolerarance company so with my luck they'll test it for like 1 instead of 50. Is that possible? I don't know anyone to get real urine from and even if I did it wouldn't last until wednesday of next week. I'll jsut keep testing myself and hope to drink craploads of fluids. I would hope that 42 days will be plenty to get clean...Not many other options --
Thanks everyone for all of your input and patience.... Anxiety is in my blood so you know how that goes... And I thought I used to be paranoid when I was stoned... LOL... I wish I was stoned and paranoid right about now...

[killerweed420]

Have any friends from out of state that could buy it and send it to you?
You can freeze someones urine if you know of someone you're absolutely sure is clean fo anything and sub with it.Just make sure thy're not taking prescription meds too.
I would quit drinking extra fluids till the morning before the test.Then you can drink some extra gatorade,pee a few times before the test and takthe sample from the midstream piss.
Good Luck.A lot of worthless bullshit to have to go through isn't it?

[SmokeyDude]

First urine of the day! Got a line, a faint line, but a line none-the-less -- I had to wipe my eyes to be sure I was seeing what I was seeing and not just tripping... I think this means that next week I'll be good to go! I hope... Once I was testing clean for 3 days then the fourth went hot again so I'm hoping I'm over the hump. I'll keep testing it and will still drink my allotted amount of Gatorade before the test -- As long as they do the EMIT first and I pass that I don't think they send it in for more stringent testing (at least according to the guy that posted from the drug testing company sticky) -- So wish me luck guys and I'll definately keep you updated. Crossing my fingers, toes, and any other body parts that I can cross....
Thanks again for everything and all of the advice... I will definately know now that if I smoke it takes me 36 days to clean out... I hope to test that premise after my test and find out for sure what a one time dose does to me.

[killerweed420]

Good News.
Pick up some thc strips off of ebay.You can get them for about $1.25 each.Then experiment on yourself.Thats what I did.When I'm working I can risk taking a couple hits on friday night and then be clean by tuesday.I use quickfix now so I don't worry about having to stay clean much.I just keep it in my car in case I need it.

[jeffman]

So, I decide after reading post after post about the QuickFix stuff that I might need to go this route instead of the dilution method. So I go to the websites that sell the stuff and wouldn't you know it's illegal to sell or ship to my state?!? What are the f'in chances? I know there was a full moon last night, but COME ON!!!! I guess it's back to Gatorade and Aspirin and Rolaids -- At least I won't have heartburn or a headache when they test me.... grrr...
It's now been 35 days and today (not first urine of the day) and without any fluid loading, I passed my home test (I mean it was faint, but purple!) -- I'm hoping that as the levels get lower, they decrease more quickly. Like I think I'm finally below the 50 level, but am still worried as the company i'm starting with is a 0 tolerarance company so with my luck they'll test it for like 1 instead of 50. Is that possible? I don't know anyone to get real urine from and even if I did it wouldn't last until wednesday of next week. I'll jsut keep testing myself and hope to drink craploads of fluids. I would hope that 42 days will be plenty to get clean...Not many other options --
Thanks everyone for all of your input and patience.... Anxiety is in my blood so you know how that goes... And I thought I used to be paranoid when I was stoned... LOL... I wish I was stoned and paranoid right about now...
Great Thread/Info....Good Luck...:stoned:

[FakeBoobsRule]

So, I decide after reading post after post about the QuickFix stuff that I might need to go this route instead of the dilution method. So I go to the websites that sell the stuff and wouldn't you know it's illegal to sell or ship to my state?!? What are the f'in chances? I know there was a full moon last night, but COME ON!!!! I guess it's back to Gatorade and Aspirin and Rolaids -- At least I won't have heartburn or a headache when they test me.... grrr...
It's now been 35 days and today (not first urine of the day) and without any fluid loading, I passed my home test (I mean it was faint, but purple!) -- I'm hoping that as the levels get lower, they decrease more quickly. Like I think I'm finally below the 50 level, but am still worried as the company i'm starting with is a 0 tolerarance company so with my luck they'll test it for like 1 instead of 50. Is that possible? I don't know anyone to get real urine from and even if I did it wouldn't last until wednesday of next week. I'll jsut keep testing myself and hope to drink craploads of fluids. I would hope that 42 days will be plenty to get clean...Not many other options --
Thanks everyone for all of your input and patience.... Anxiety is in my blood so you know how that goes... And I thought I used to be paranoid when I was stoned... LOL... I wish I was stoned and paranoid right about now...


First urine of the day! Got a line, a faint line, but a line none-the-less -- I had to wipe my eyes to be sure I was seeing what I was seeing and not just tripping... I think this means that next week I'll be good to go! I hope... Once I was testing clean for 3 days then the fourth went hot again so I'm hoping I'm over the hump. I'll keep testing it and will still drink my allotted amount of Gatorade before the test -- As long as they do the EMIT first and I pass that I don't think they send it in for more stringent testing (at least according to the guy that posted from the drug testing company sticky) -- So wish me luck guys and I'll definately keep you updated. Crossing my fingers, toes, and any other body parts that I can cross....
Thanks again for everything and all of the advice... I will definately know now that if I smoke it takes me 36 days to clean out... I hope to test that premise after my test and find out for sure what a one time dose does to me.

Wow, so much I don't know where to start. Yes several states have outlawed Quick Fix or "devices that defeat drug tests" in general. I don't have the list in front of me but I believe it is about 10 states. Sadly, you gave up too easily. The company that makes Quick Fix is Urineluck and I am pretty sure they follow or honor the ban and will not risk their company for a few extra sales. However, there are many third party distributors of Quick Fix that will defy the ban. Many of these third parties will not mention on their websites that Quick Fix can be used to defeat a drug test. They will talk about how Quick Fix can be used to calibrate equipment that tests urine, for sexual fetishes, prank jokes, religious uses, etc etc etc. I can only imagine they do this to help get around the ban. If you use your favorite internet search engine and look a little more, you can find companies that will ship to banned states but don't look for the maker Urineluck to defy the ban though. This probably holds true for other makers of clean urine or synthetic urine as well as delivery devices such as the whizzinator. So those are my thoughts on your sub option, with 7 days left it is actually still on the table (many of these third parties offer overnight shipping).

Next on your dilution and home testing, did you use the fiber I suggested? I closed the sticky from the guy who "worked at a drug testing company" because he was a salesman for the company and not someone with true techinical knowledge. Some of what he said was right one, some was completely wrong. Your home tests uses immunoassay technology which is the first step in lab drug testing. EMIT is one specific brand of immunoassay. Unless you fail immunoassay it will not go to GC/MS. Although your company may say they have a zero tolerance drug policy, that doesn't mean you have to have absolutely no THC metabolites in your urine. There is always the chance of environmental exposure to THC so that is why most companies use the 50 ng/ml cutoff on immunoassay and 15 ng/ml confirmation on GC/MS. This has been shown that it eliminates the chances of a positive from second hand smoke or other accidental exposure and ensures that the level of THC metabolites is due to wanted consumption of THC. 20 ng/ml cutoff on immunassay and 10 ng/ml confirmation on GC/MS can be used but this is usually reserved for monitored professionals (subject to random testing) that have gone to rehab. There is a test called LDL which is Lowest Detectable Level and is pretty much 1 ng/ml or less. It is very expensive and although I know it exists I have never seen or heard it used. So although they say zero tolerance it doesn't always mean LDL. It could jiust mean that if you test positive the only recourse is to be fired. I know you are testing for pre employment but that is an slight explanation of zero tolerance and LDL and the most common acceptable levels.

How's all that for throwing down some knowledge! When you get your job that one time high is going to be pretty good after a 36+ day break!

[IIQuickSilverII]

the list of the states is in the urineluck website cause it tells you what states they wont ship.

But AZ for me wasnt there and it was a blesing.. fakeboobs THANKS A LOT FOR THE TIP ON THAT...you DEF HELP ME OUT BIG TIME ON THAT ONE!

[SmokeyDude]

Thanks Boobs!!! You again are full of the sage advice I need to read. I have been testing with the dilution method here at home using only Gatoraide. I have found that even though my line is very faint in the AM, if I drink 1 20oz bottle of gatoraide (fruit punch) that even after 3 or 4 hours of nothing else, my test (T) line comes back as purple as the control (C) line. I think I'm below the 50 cut-off at this point and if one gatoraide works, then I feel quite confident that 3 will work even better. I got some aspirin and B-Complex and rolaids to better enhance -- (Wow -- Highlander:The Final Dimension is on and the sex scene in this movie is just on and its a hot one... sorry, I digress) -- the method. But I still have 4 days but I'm going to be leaving on Sunday before Labor Day to travel out of state for this job. My family isn't coming yet -- I don't have time to get the quick-fix now even if it comes through... As for the fiber pills, no Boobs, I didn't get any -- Instead I increased my intake of salads and fish and meat which as far as I can tell, is working as well if not better than fiber pills if you get my drift... Now I don't know if salad works as well as fiber for causing the metabolites to move into my colon, it did seem to have an effect on the tests.
Again, thanks guys!

[killerweed420]

For me I've found that cranberry juice will get me clean 1 day sooner than if I just drink fluids.I drink the cranberry juice before I toke and then for the next 2 or 3 days after.Unknown why it might be helping.I've read where it helps the thc not be absorbed by the kidneys as much but don't know if that is the real reason.

[SmokeyDude]

Killer--I've been taking Cranberry pills cause Cranberry Juice makes me have insane heartburn! Thanks for the heads-up though -- The rolaids may help me avoid some heartburn if I decide tomorrow to drink shitloads of Cranberry juice. What a nerve-wracking situation this is -- That should be illegal, not smoking something that makes me not nervous....

[SmokeyDude]

Ok, took my test yesterday-- Went to a lab with a form (Labcorp Regulated -- whatever that means). I had drunk 3 20 gatorades and taken the four aspirin before hand and my little home test strip showed a pass -- I had to go so bad in the waiting room I almost asked them if I could go use their bathroom but I clenched my teeth and waited what seemed like forever (really probably about 10 minutes) before they called me back... Then they made me wash my hands, empty my pockets, leave the door open (the water in the toilet was blue and the toilet was packing taped shut) and I wizzed in the cup to the line they drew. They told me not to flush so I didn't and then I watched the guy pour the urine into two containers (anyone know why they did that?) and then I had to initial the containers and then he put them in a plastic bag for labcorp and sent me on my way. Question: What is the turn around for Labcorp? I know it depends on number of samples and shipping and stuff. Also, will they only use the IA EMIT type test first and then if it fails send it for the GC/MS? I'm completely nervous now because of course I haven't heard anything and I'm not sure they'll tell me if I pass so I don't know how long to wait before I toke up again (I was hoping for this weekend, but I think I might have to wait longer) -- any futher advice? Hoping I passed. Those of you who have passed, did the company tell you you passed? Or do I just have to wait it out for a week or two before I indulge?
Thanks guys for all of your advice.

[SmokeyDude]

Yeah, he told me not to close the door, but I kind of closed it most of the way but not shut. He stood right outside the door. I hadn't done anything to make myself conspicuous as I was only pissing in the cup -- Don't know why he made me keep the door patially open unless he wanted to see something... I told them it was my first drug test so I was a little confused. Maybe he was taking advantage of my nievety(sp?).

[dawninthemorning]

I have NEVER had a labcorp test where they had me keep the door open. I don't believe that they are allowed to do that for a pre employment DOT test. I think that they have to have reason to do that. FBR would know better than I.

[kermitthehermit]

I had a test once where the guy stood in teh room with me - off to the side. They don't tell you if you pass, usually, because of course you did. They only tell you if you fail and then they usually tell the employer. No news is good news.

[FakeBoobsRule]

That is really odd about the door. The only time they can be in the room is if it is observed or if there are multiple stalls and the access can't be controlled (this is monitored). I would like some more details. I recently heard of a person having to take a monitored test because of it being multi stalled and the collector tried to violate the rules by going into the stall instead of standing by the door and preventing people from entering during the test.

[killerweed420]

I've had over 20 dot regulated both pre employement and random tests and have never had a door left open or someone in the room at the time.Something odd going on there.

[SmokeyDude]

Hey FBR -- What more info do you wish to know? I was escorted to an 'alcove' (there was on alcove for each 'pretend-nurse' I guess) and there was a bathroom off of this 'alcove' (which is really a very short hallway with flat board desk hanging from one side and a file cabinet on the other) -- The guy (I don't think these guys are really nurses) then took a cup and marked on it with a black sharpie and then made me empty my pockets into a lockbox on the outside of the door -- Then he gave me the cup and said fill it to here -- He instructed me not to close the door and not to flush -- There was only one toilet and four walls -- Nothing else -- I still partially closed the door because I felt kind of weird trying to go with the door wide open for anyone walking by to see -- So, I voided some in the blue water and then the cup and then more in the blue water -- The guy stood right outside the door and listened (I hope he was just listening and not peeking but I didn't pay attention to anything but where my stream was going) -- I took the cup out to him and he looked at the temperature strip -- Put the cup on the counter desk -- bent over and looked at it really closely from the side of the cup (it was a clear plastic and I assume he was testing the color or something) -- then picked up the cup -- Poured it into the two twin vials, sealed them and made me sign the seal -- This was a Labcorp exam performed by a Concentra center --
This what you wanted to know?

[FakeBoobsRule]

That is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you for the great detail in your explanation.

This is odd and unusual and I have to say I am almost certain they violated guidelines and your rights. If you gave them reason to observe, they would have watched the urine leave the body and enter the cup. Since they didn't go that far Iit stands to reason you didn't give them any reason.

Since I am almost certain this was against guidelines, if it was me, I would have closed the door and locked it if it locks. I would wait one minute before doing anything to see what happens, if they knock or try to open it if it didn't lock. If they made a scene, I would open the door and ask what the problem was with these perverts (using that term, perverts and kind of loudly). Then if they made a big deal after that comment I would state that you have given many samples in the past and you know your rights and you aren't going to let some pervert catch a sneak peck of my genitals or stare at my privates when I have done nothing wrong and you know your rights. Be prepared for them to maybe ask you to pat yourself down (they can't touch you). You may want to throw in the word lawyer, lawsuit, or sue somewhere. I would be confident that this would cause them to backdown and let you proceed. If all this fails, I would seriously consider letting them fail me. If they fail you, they are going to have to write down the reason why on the form. Watch what they write, make sure they state it like it is, they wanted you to keep the door open and you closed it. It would then go to the Medical Review Officer and he would see the faulty reason for failure and unless he is a pervert or totally incompetent he would recognize that they didn't follow proceedure and he is the final word as to whether you pass or fail.

I have subbed many times and know many others who have too. Many on these boards have too and this is the first I have heard of something like this. I have heard of a collector not following proper proceedure during a multi stall bathroom collection but not a single bathroom. You did it right obviously and this is the best advice I can give right now if this was to happen to you or anyone else in the future. I wouldn't let this stop me from subbing in the future as this is completely weird and highly unusual.

You could be nice to others that follow you at that collection site and after you pass find out who the district or regional manager is of the facility and call them and tell them you don't appreciate the perverts at that collection site violating your rights. Go on telling him how you feel so dirty and disgusted by their actions and throw in the legal speak again but say you don't have time for all that so you are calling them. Tell the district manager how you have taken many tests before because you were subject to random testing at another job and you know what is normal proceedure blah blah blah. Obviously you don't give your name and I would get them in all kinds of trouble short of getting them fired.

[killerweed420]

Very well put FBR. If collectors aern't following procedures it needs to be brought to managements attention. And that is exactly what I would do if they tried to keep the door open on me.Call them a pervert and slam the door.They have no legal authority to stare at your pecker unless you were caught cheating.

[SmokeyDude]

Thanks FBR -- As usual the sage of excellent Urine Cop annihilation advice -- I may send a letter 'anonymously' of-course, but if this isn't standard practice and the little goob was checking out my 'manhood' he'll probably remember who I am. I don't want to take that chance so I may just quietly thank my gods for their blessings and be on my way with it... I have one other question, however, does anyone know how quickly after being hired they do a random test on employees? Its not like the first week later is it? I work in an office and am not driving anything or messing with anything dangerous. Others in my company are driving and messing with very dangerous things however... This means I might get called again, but isn't there some kind of 'time between' testing? Do some poor folks have to test weekly because they have an unlucky employee number?

[killerweed420]

I think randoms vary widely.I've had jobs where I was never randomed and I had a job where I got a random 1 week after I took my pre employment screen.Just try and stay prepared.Subbing is the safest way.All you nedd is 10 seconds of access to a microwave and your good.

[SmokeyDude]

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)

Thanks for all of your help guys!!!

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)

[Fredisgood]

SO happy to read this!

Thanks for sharing!!!

Congrats!

[FakeBoobsRule]

Way to go! Congratulations on the new job.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[jeffman]

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)

Thanks for all of your help guys!!!

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)
Great and Congrats, Twist a big fatty for Me...I went straight 10 days ago and if I make it 14 days I will take My own home test just too see.

[IIQuickSilverII]

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)

Thanks for all of your help guys!!!

I PASSED! I PASSED! I PASSED! DO A LITTLE DANCE, MAKE A LITTLE LOVE, GET DOWN TONIGHT! I PASSED!!!
:)




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