questions about growing outdoors

[atsar]

i have some plants growing outside in pots,2 are in a massive pot and around a metre tall with some smaller plants going in smaller plants

i've noticed my biggest plants and one of the tied down ones are now getting covered with white hairs,question is,are these pre flowers,or is it the beginning of flowering?or do plants growing outdoors need to get 12 hours darkness before they start flowering?because we aint getting 12 hours of dark here yet,will be another 6 weeks before that happens,which would mean it would be december before they finished,and i can't imagine weed growing in these parts in december

anyway,any info would be greatly appreciated

i've included some pics

[420man!!!]

first of all ide put each plant in there own pot and make it big pots. trash cans or buckets i fancy trashcans. moor room for the roots to grow. yes about 12hrs of lite is important because plants grow at night in the darkness. one thing you could do like i do at the end of harvest before i pick my bud a cover my plants in a box and in complete darkness and this will make the plants grow like crazy one more last time. so until you get light you could somehow put your plant into darkness for 12 hrs then bring her out so she has enouh time to get equal sun also. hope i have helped you

[atsar]

thanks man,i've never grown outdoors so don't know what to expect,there's only 1 shared pot but it's a massive pot,has about 400 litres of soil in it(and it's still not full),that's the pot with 2 weed plants and it also has pumpkins and a sunflower for cover(my garden backs onto a school),thought i might have had a problem with all those heavy feeding fast growing plants in with my weeds but it seems not,pumpkins have shallow spreading roots which make over watering or over fertilizing almost impossible
so it's not flowering i'm seeing then but pre flowers?

[420man!!!]

yes pre flowering of your pot plants over time i have always noticed that hairs will appear sometime around when your plants will begin flowering. also how cean i put little thumb nails in the post so i cean shair a photo of my monster momma

[atsar]

think you need 50 posts before you can upload pics,click those thumbnails and you'll get full size pics,if you don't have a manage attachments option when your posting replies you can't upload them yet,though you could always use a site like photobucket to put your pics up meantime

[atsar]

and with regards to the hairs,when i do indoor grows i always notice a couple of hairs before i start flowering,pre-flowers,but on my outdoor plants i have hairs at every node,which is why i'm wondering if they've started flowering

[Pass That Shit]

They look like they are growing well in that pot with the other plants. I didn't see any white hairs in your pics. Do you have any pics showing the hairs? Because you are outside, I think you are still in pre-flower. I'm in the US, but beside my Early Misty, none of my other plants have showed sex yet, but I'm sure they will very soon.

Nice setup!!! :jointsmile:

[atsar]

thanks man
i tried to get in to take some pics of the hairs but it's hard to get to them
did manage to get a few though

[420man!!!]

yes pre flowering. usually most buds will have hairts on them but they are in pre flower

[hydrocannabis]

UR garden looks kick ass.

[twoguysupnorth]

yes they appear to be preflowers, pic 1and 3 of the second set and pic 4 of the first set i think shows them. they probably showed earlier but just on one set of nodes, if they are everywhere i would guess that they are starting to flower right now. i usually refrain from guessing at these because of my inexpierience and also when trying to guess on my own preflowers i was wrong on a few of them but i still say yes. there are other considerations when growing outside other than just 12/12 plants seem to know when to do their thing even if it isnt exactly 12/12 yet. the color of the sunlight, temps.

[atsar]

thanks hydro,shame i can't make good use of the rest of it,that's only a tiny part
and thanks 2guys,that was exactly what i wanted to know,had a feeling flowering would be possible before nights were 12 hours long but wasn't sure

so how much bigger can i expect these plants in the big pot to get?don't want them becoming obvious,heh it's like spot the weed just now,wonder if anyone here can actually see them all

[420man!!!]

they will grow pretty big depending on the strain. the pot is pretty big and plants cean push them selfs out of pots it happend to me with my big one then i had to put it in a trash can. but you cean also top them to keep them from growing or pruning them. it basicly stunts the growth and the plant will be a little slower after. but every time you top it will slow down more and more. but if done rite you should get a good harvest and prevent losing buds. just not big buds. little ones kind of all over. hoped that helped

[atsar]

i had tied one down but as it got bigger it split with the weight and i had to wire it back together though it hasn't slowed the growth any,the soil doesn't reach tthe top of that pot,it's about 12 inches below top so those plants are way bigger than they look,the pumpkins are putting out loads of vines now and with a little training i'll cover the wall behind the pot so the weed will be in front,but it'll be pumpkin leaves poking out the top

i definately wont be moving those 2 out the big pot,it's about as big as 5 trash cans anyway

[420man!!!]

thats plenty big. and its healthy to grow plants with others because of the nutrients and others they put off. all should go well for you tho. just try what i said only if you feel comfortable with it.

[twoguysupnorth]

nice garden btw. i cant guess at how much more they will grow, but will continue to grow for another 3 or 4 weeks then start putting on some bud weight.

[420man!!!]

so you should be all ight

[kancha]

That is a nice setup, atsar. Although I can see it now.... triple their size comes flowering. They'll probably eat up your other plants and in the end you will have yourself one huge ass harvest. Awesome grow!

[atsar]

well things have certainly gotten bigger since first making this post,kancha i was kinda hoping as they were vegged bigger than i usually veg that they wouldn't triple in size during flower,that would be a problem,they're still pretty well camoflagued at the moment,but wont be for much longer if they continue as they are
anyway a couple of pics of how they look now

[kancha]

If you don't want them to get any bigger then the only way is to force flower them right now if possible. Vegging longer will only make them monsters in the end. Maybe you can add more garden plants to help camouflaged it even more if that will help.

[atsar]

ah,don't see how forcing flowering is gonna be possible,the plants and pot are enormous,so couldn't put anything over them and moving the pot would be impossible too,would need a crane to shift it,i really do hope it's starting to flower now

[kancha]

If I want to keep them in check then I will probably trim of some branches or nodes. Or maybe trim them to the size I want when flowering season is near. Just my thought.

[twoguysupnorth]

those fan leaves are huge, but beautifull. if you saw a huge growth spurt they are certainly going into flowering! hopefully you can pull this off, it would be terrible to have to lose them now. good luck. i saved a pic just because it was so pretty.

[atsar]

thanks 2 guts,i'm hoping i pull it off too,the nearest anyone can get to it without coming intomy garden is about 25-30 metres so hopefully they'll see nothing,i can see them but i'm looking for them,hopefully the pumpkin vine will grow more then i can train it into a screen i'll attach to the fence between my garden and patio,that'll hide them,i'll try and find a pic from back of garden tell me what you think

were forecast a storm here lasting the rest of the week so looks like they're gonna take a bit of a battering,hope they make it

[Pass That Shit]

They will continue to grow, but if no one can see you are growing weed right now, I don't think they will notice during flower either.
If you are worried about the height being a security factor, cut them back. :jointsmile:
How much sun do they get?

Mine are stretching a bit because they are not getting enough sun hours.
But I couldn't pass up on the grow spot. ;)

[atsar]

They will continue to grow, but if no one can see you are growing weed right now, I don't think they will notice during flower either.
If you are worried about the height being a security factor, cut them back.
How much sun do they get?


well at the moment school is on holiday so not many people around there,but they go back in 4 weeks though like i say it may not be noticable if your not looking for it,and surely the pumpkins hanging in front of my window is gonna attract attention away

the garden is south facing so they have about an hour shade in the morning and evening,no idea what time the sun comes up cos i'm sleeping but it's down before 9pm

[Pass That Shit]

My bad, I didn't realize the school thing. That's a different story. You are getting plenty of sun, sun will do your budz good. :jointsmile:

[atsar]

yeah school is a bit of a shitter but will just need to sweat it out i guess,
from the back of my garden it looks like this,but bear in mind it's a pic,makes garden look enormous,and the plants were in shade by time pic was taken

[twoguysupnorth]

i definitely could not see them in the pics. might make a difference with the sun though. good luck. nice little apple tree. school makes it more scary but i had the same situation once, if you were searching for them you could find them (i could see them) i placed them just right on my rooftop so that most views had a tree in the way. i was nervous but nothing ever came of it.

[Pass That Shit]

I also like your apple. Did you plant it? It can use a good pruning to remove vertical growth and let sun into the center of the tree. :jointsmile:

[atsar]

apple tree has always been there,but it has a white like mould over it in summer so i never eat the apples,though they're said to be sweet,it's a strange garden,middle of a town centre,apple tree,brambles,mint rhubarb and all other things i take nothing to do with growing away,i even have a hedgehog that aint shy with my or my cats

[atsar]

well getting back on subject things are growing well,just had 24 hours of rain and strong winds and though it wasn't looking good in the wind,they look fine now it's gone,what don't kill them will only make them stronger,more rain and wind to come but i wont be so worried this time

got some more pics
the 1st pic is the plant i have in a small 3 gallon pot that was the donor plant for the clones in the big pot,she's turning into a nice little bush
next 2 are pics of all of them and the last pic is how i see the plants from the back of my garden

any comments/advice always welcome
stef

[twoguysupnorth]

well i still cant see them too well and im looking, so... ive heard of people trimming off the tips of the leaves to get rid of the tall tale shape of the leaves. i hope the rest of your plants stay green enough towards fall to keep them hidden.

[atsar]

well i still cant see them too well and im looking, so... ive heard of people trimming off the tips of the leaves to get rid of the tall tale shape of the leaves. i hope the rest of your plants stay green enough towards fall to keep them hidden.

i guess i'm just being paranoid huh,it's gonna take some pulling off,my 97 year old neighbour that can't get into her garden had a fall and has been taken into care,though she insists she's coming home,i sure hope so because this shit is against her fence and can't be doing with new neighbours,especially as it'd be a family,constantly in their garden no doubt

i think the pumpkin plants should be good until the end of september at least,maybe a few weeks more,the pumpkins have just started to appear and it hasn't even flowered properly yet so hopefully that'll be providing cover right up till harvest,their vines are still crawling along the fence and above the window so don't think they're quite ready for friuting,the sunflower will probably be long gone by then but i'll keep it in as long as possible after the flowers dead,there's also some poppies in there but no flowers as they seriously lack light,wanted the poppy flowers among the weed to make the weed look like a flower but it didn't work out

next years outdoor grow however will be well planned and hidden now that i know what to do

[hydrocannabis]

well they look kick ass healthy. and maybe next year u might try an outdoor SCROG. kind of like these pix I found on yahoo.com.

[hydrocannabis]

pix. U could build a green-house with frosted side windows.

[Pass That Shit]

They sure are looking good. How many plants total? :jointsmile:

[atsar]

outdoor scrog,that looks different,i was thinking of making a hedge like thing along the sides of my fence from my weeds,if i have, enough ppl wont even give them a 2nd look

[atsar]

They sure are looking good. How many plants total? :jointsmile:

well there's 2 plants in the big pot,never topped them but there's a good 10 or 12 tops on those 2,they're about 4 foot tall at moment
there's the lst'ed donor plant in a 3 gallon pot
then there's 2 females in 4 gallon pots at the right hand side of the big pot,behind the long trough like pot with the palm and lavender in,
i've also one in a small tiny pot,it's already well budding so i reckon it was pollenated a while back,gonna keep it for seeds

so that's 6 in total then

[atsar]

well i think the problem of anyone seeing the plants should be a thing of the past soon

see the fence in the last pic i posted(few replies back),the little wooden one?tomorrow i'm going to attach an old fire guard to the full length of the top of it,should make it about 3 feet higher,then i'll train the brambles growing below it into the fire guard,brambles grow really fast and love to climb,so by time school goes back hopefully they'll be hidden,could add some more climbers they're not

[atsar]

well been about a week since i last posted a pic and i reckon they've grown a fair bit,the branches are all getting huge and reaching out as high as the main cola top forming a nice canopy,lots of horizontal growth on the branches too as shoots grow towards any open spaces they can find,

the space between nodes is beginning to get considerably smaller so really hope flowering has started,or is going to start real soon

got a screen on top of my fence so things are a little more hidden now

anyway,some pics

[atsar]

well it's been a good week or so,plants just keep getting bigger and are around 5 feet tall now,they're also showing some real early signs of buds so i'm assuming they're flowering now,and the small one is bushing out somewhat and getting taller,she's around 2 feet high
and i got the fence fixed too so no seeing my plants unless your next to them,though they're getting so tall they'll be sticking up above the fence in the next week or so
anyway some pics of them

[hydrocannabis]

they R looking good.:jointsmile::thumbsup:

[atsar]

thanks hydro
well things are looking good,definately started flowering,loads of white hairs all over,found loads of holes over some of the leaves at the tops of plants but don't know what it was,couldn't see any pests through microscope,so just removed or trimmed affected leaves and it seems to have worked,new growth isn't effected
they're getting real tall but still not cleared the top of the fence which is good,the smaller plant in the small pot has been moved indoors under the 400w hps for flowering,just in case things go wrong outside
anyway some pics

[hydrocannabis]

hell yah. dude that sheet looks great.:thumbsup:

[Earthy Dank]

thanks hydro
well things are looking good,definately started flowering,loads of white hairs all over,found loads of holes over some of the leaves at the tops of plants but don't know what it was,couldn't see any pests through microscope,so just removed or trimmed affected leaves and it seems to have worked,new growth isn't effected
they're getting real tall but still not cleared the top of the fence which is good,the smaller plant in the small pot has been moved indoors under the 400w hps for flowering,just in case things go wrong outside
anyway some pics

Damn those look nice... Thats a good big pot. But trust me you'll come across more problems inside than outside. For every 1 problem growing outdoors there are about 3 problems indoors. Outdoor, mother nature does everything for you.. almost..

[atsar]

Damn those look nice... Thats a good big pot. But trust me you'll come across more problems inside than outside. For every 1 problem growing outdoors there are about 3 problems indoors. Outdoor, mother nature does everything for you.. almost..

yeah i get what you're saying,though there was a few reasons for the move indoors,for 1 the pot was easily lifted so that plant could have been easily stolen if anyone did venture into my garden,another was that we're already experiencing night time temps of 6 celcius here which is almost cold enough for frost which worries me as its still only september,then there was the fact that it's still another few weeks before we go 12/12 here,we still get around 13.5 hours of light,so wanted to get it budding now so i'm not tempted to chop the big ones early,and a few others that i shalln't bother going into

[Earthy Dank]

yeah i get what you're saying,though there was a few reasons for the move indoors,for 1 the pot was easily lifted so that plant could have been easily stolen if anyone did venture into my garden,another was that we're already experiencing night time temps of 6 celcius here which is almost cold enough for frost which worries me as its still only september,then there was the fact that it's still another few weeks before we go 12/12 here,we still get around 13.5 hours of light,so wanted to get it budding now so i'm not tempted to chop the big ones early,and a few others that i shalln't bother going into

They look great. YOu might want to repot the inside girl before it gets too into flowering. The more room you give it the better it will yeild.

[atsar]

well another week on and the plants still look pretty good,have had something munching my leaves,aphids and mites i think but a little soapy spray seems to have fixed things,it's windy as hell today and they're being blown around something awful,i cringe to watch it but they seem to be holding up well,had to move little one back outside so deciced to leave it there,as you'll see from the pics we're well flowering now,just another 6 weeks maybe less to go

[atsar]

well another 10 days or so on and all is still well,though i did have a bit of a scare,seems my little plant was clobbered by a mini tornado!!thing is we don't get that sort of thing round these parts,completely flattened it but i took advantage of it and tied some wire round it while it was down,so it stayed down when the sun came out,she looks great now i think,she's 2 feet high including pot and like 3 feet wide in all directions,the big plants look great too,well into flower now but i don't know how long exactly,hope they finish soonish as we've had the odd night time temps of 4 degreec C around these parts
anyway some pics

[WeedyBoyWonder]

Looking phat dude!
Just a tip, a strip of copper around the plant stem is a good idea. It carries a positive charge and will keep slugs and more away!

[twoguysupnorth]

yeah, those all look good. i find that being in the elements helps rather than hinders what your plant can do. indoors is stress free as far as somebody seeing it, but outdoors is so much better as far as getting a good healthy plant. those last pics are really nice.