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nicandy
08-01-2007, 01:53 AM
I was just wondering, has anyone ever seen a ghost? And for the vast majority of us that have never seen a ghost, do you believe in ghosts?
I think that ghost can be as real as we want them to be. I mean, for a believer, anything (like a door that closes by itself, or an object that falls to the floor for no apparent reason) can be a sign. For a non-believer, everything has a logical/scientific/natural explanation.
How about you?
king of the world
08-01-2007, 02:31 AM
i have never encounter an ghost. but i have a weird feeling about them. but i do not tend to believe those that claim that they had encounters with them.
LuckyG
08-01-2007, 11:27 AM
I haven't seen a ghost, but I have a friend who heard one.
Her grandpa had died years ago, and her grandma was dying of cancer. One day she told my friend that she wasn't afraid of dying, because it meant she would be with her husband again. A week later she died.
The night after the funeral, my friend woke up and heard music playing on the floor above her. She went to look, but there was nobody there, and none of the CD players were turned on, but the music was still playing. She thinks her grandma and grandpa were finally dancing together again.
Ah goodness, I'm crying now. That's always such a beautiful story to me.
LuckyG
08-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Oh, same friend used an Ouija board with some friends, didn't believe it, asked the "spirit" or whatever to do something. It turned the TV on. The TV didn't have a remote.
Don't mess with that stuff kids! It's bad for your sanity!
ghosty
08-01-2007, 06:06 PM
BOO MOTHERFUCKERS BOO!!!
nicandy
08-02-2007, 02:10 AM
My mother died when I was nine. I couldn't understand what it meant. She came back to me in a dream to tell me how everything was now. After that, I understood.
Oneironaut
08-02-2007, 02:30 AM
I was just wondering, has anyone ever seen a ghost? And for the vast majority of us that have never seen a ghost, do you believe in ghosts?
Nope. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I think that ghost can be as real as we want them to be. I mean, for a believer, anything (like a door that closes by itself, or an object that falls to the floor for no apparent reason) can be a sign. For a non-believer, everything has a logical/scientific/natural explanation.
Everything does have a logical explanation. Logic determines everything that happens everywhere. That's how the universe works. Two plus two cannot ever equal five. An existent object cannot also be a non-existent object. Are you saying that things have non-logical explanations, that logic does not apply to everything in the universe?
There is such a thing as objective reality. When two people disagree about some aspect of objective reality, at least one of them must be wrong. Just believing in something does not make your belief a valid interpretation of reality. If one person says the earth is round, and one person says the earth is flat (some people still do actually), they will both have their own interpretations of the evidence. The flat earther will say satellite pictures are forgeries cooked up by a government conspiracy. The round earther will say the satellite pictures are real. Does that mean they're both somehow right, because they're both set in their beliefs and they can both reconcile any new fact to fit their pre-existing beliefs?
No, of course it doesn't. The earth is round, no matter how many people believe or have believed or will believe otherwise. Similarly, either ghosts do exist or they do not exist. And until I see some compelling reason to believe in ghosts, my brain simply will not be able to accept that fact as true. I am incapable of believing in things which I don't have a good reason to believe in.
I used to believe in ghosts, when I was little, because it was a comforting belief to think that the human mind could exist forever in some form. But as I matured and acquired more and more experience with the world, I realized that reality does not necessarily conform to my desires. Nothing in the universe lasts forever. Everything is temporary, including me and you. We have the choice between accepting that or giving into fantasy. I'm one of those people who would rather know the truth, no matter how cold it may be, than believe a comforting falsehood.
??The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. We have a method, and that method helps us to reach not absolute truth, only asymptotic approaches to the truth ?? never there, just closer and closer, always finding vast new oceans of undiscovered possibilities. Cleverly designed experiments are the key.? ??Carl Sagan
cannabis campbell
08-02-2007, 02:31 AM
I know ghosts are real maybe not like how they are portrayed in the movies obviously buy they are definately real.
ghosty
08-02-2007, 02:32 AM
I've seen 3
LuckyG
08-02-2007, 09:58 PM
Everything does have a logical explanation. Logic determines everything that happens everywhere. That's how the universe works. Two plus two cannot ever equal five. An existent object cannot also be a non-existent object. Are you saying that things have non-logical explanations, that logic does not apply to everything in the universe?
Logic isn't fun. Imagination is fun. You can assume that everything is rational and can be backed up by science, or you can live a little and let your mind believe in hidden wonders of the world - what's the harm in that?
ChronicJoint
08-02-2007, 10:25 PM
Logic isn't fun. Imagination is fun. You can assume that everything is rational and can be backed up by science, or you can live a little and let your mind believe in hidden wonders of the world - what's the harm in that?
the harm in imagining things is you then substitue fiction for fact.
and fiction does not = fact
imagining things is what spawned christianity. *shudders*
jdmarcus59
08-02-2007, 10:29 PM
and the lion said,'" I do belive in Ghost, I do belive in Ghost".
LuckyG
08-03-2007, 12:22 PM
the harm in imagining things is you then substitue fiction for fact.
and fiction does not = fact
No offense sir, but you must lead a pretty boring life if you don't have any imagination.
zino11
08-03-2007, 12:44 PM
I dont know if i can but i have an open mind towards it
Oneironaut
08-03-2007, 06:00 PM
Logic isn't fun. Imagination is fun. You can assume that everything is rational and can be backed up by science, or you can live a little and let your mind believe in hidden wonders of the world - what's the harm in that?
No offense sir, but you must lead a pretty boring life if you don't have any imagination.
So you're saying ghosts are just a figment of your imagination? I would agree with you on that one.
There's nothing wrong with having an active imagination, but you need to have some grasp of what is real and what is imaginary. There is a difference, and it's an important one if you want to make informed decisions about your life. For instance, if I imagine I have a million dollars buried in your backyard, that could be a fun daydream. But if I start to confuse my daydreams with my reality, I might make some really unwise investments before I dig into the yard and realize that objective reality is something other than imagined reality.
You say logic isn't fun like imagination is. That doesn't matter to me. I don't believe logical things because I think I'll be happier that way. I believe logical things because I am literally incapable of doing anything else. My brain won't let me believe in ghosts or a million dollars buried in my backyard unless I actually have some good evidence that this is the case. Try convincing yourself right now that there really is a million dollars buried in your backyard. Try to actually really believe it is true. You can't, can you? Neither can I. I can't believe in ghosts and spirits for that same reason. It just seems so incredibly unlikely that I'd need to be shown some good evidence before my brain will accept it as part of reality.
B u M b L ee K y
08-03-2007, 07:17 PM
I would love to see a ghost. I hope I do some day.
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