Joint without a roach

[Fore20]

Are joints without a roach any good? I don't have any of those special roach papers so I would just have to use regular paper or business card or somthing. So my question- is rolling a joint ok if you don't have a roach paper thing in it?

[4twentE]

Never heard of special roach papers. And sure, any joint's fine. All you need in it is weed.

[budsmoker only]

the only time i ever use one is if i have a lot of left over paper or i think that there are people that will wet the end of it and it will get closed to easy....

it is not necessary to have one in the joint, some people like it, some people dont... me personlly dont think its needed because can roll a fine joint without needing a roach.... when i first started rolling i would use one cuz i would roll it and it would be a kinda loose, so i would pack it some and then there would be left over paper and shit so i would stuff a roach in there...

[Storm Crow]

The "roach paper thing" is not necessary- I just use plain old rolling papers. If you don't have any ZigZags and are using "regular" paper, here's some tips. Don't use any paper that has printing on it. Ink is often bad for you. Thinner paper is better. Since you will have no glue, you may want to wet the joint down with saliva and let it dry again before smoking (this also slows the burn a bit, supposedly). This helps the paper stay in a joint shape. Hold it over a light bulb, electric burner, etc to make it dry quickly. It likely won't burn as well as regular papers, so have your lighter/matches handy.

As you smoke it, you may want to use a "roach clip". Easiest is to get an alligator clip from your electrical junk box and use it. Likely you don't have one, so head toward the bathroom and grab the tweezers. Clean them and wrap a rubber band tightly around them. This will hold your joint, and save you some burnt fingers.

Another way is to make a "roach" by just rolling a bit of match book cover into a tube and sticking your joint into it. They tend to fall out sometimes.

Get/make yourself a little pipe sometime. Something small and easily hide-able. This will save you from the "I got pot, but ain't got no papers" blues. A couple of bucks and a trip to a plumbing section of a hardware store can get you a nice little brass pipe- or go primitive- get some clay, make a pipe and fire it under a campfire/ in a wood stove- put it in, light the fire, get it out the next morning. Lots of possibilities! - Granny:hippy:

[Fore20]

What about tobacco? Do I need some tobacco in there? And if i do, can I use some shit from a black & mild?

[Jesta]

I can't roll, but whenever my friends do, they don't bother using one.

[budsmoker only]

What about tobacco? Do I need some tobacco in there? And if i do, can I use some shit from a black & mild?

that all depends on personal preference...
some people will not roll a joint w/o putting some tobacco in there, and others will not roll a joint with tobacco in there...
i like to have just a pure joint, with no tobacco in there because i dont like smoking tobacco very much...
i have rolled spliffs and i must say they arent bad but i would rather have just all weed, it all depends on what you want... and i dunno if black and mild tobacco is good for roling, doesnt seem like it would be but i dunno cuz i have never tried it....

[Fore20]

Storm Crow- I already have a sweet little glass piece. I just want to try something new for a little change.

[Fore20]

O ok. Black are all I have and I freakin hate cigarettes.

[budsmoker only]

you dont have to put tobacco in it,
some like it some dont, see what you like because everyone is different....
to me it seems like the black and mild tobacco would be weird to roll with... but do whatyou want and see what you like best..... maybe roll two lil ones, one with tobacco and one w/o and see what you like best...

[scream]

i can roll a pretty nice joint, but once i try to put in a roach it gets all lopsided and funky. my joints burn and smoke just fine without a little piece of cardboard in the end

[Storm Crow]

Why would you want to ruin good cannabis with nasty, radioactive, pesticide laced tobacco? Yes, tobacco IS radioactive! Remember that spy who was poisoned with Polonium? Well, tobacco has the SAME STUFF in it!- Radioactive Polonium in Tobacco (http://www.webspawner.com/users/radioactivethreat/)

Here's more interesting stuff about tobacco! Tobacco Poisons PESTICIDE AND ADDITIVES (http://www.webspace4me.net/~djkeyes/TobaccoPEST.html)

Think about it! - Granny:hippy:

[Fore20]

Very true, Crow, very true

[blazed_babe]

yeah, don't put tobacco in a joint...that's just gross, and it really is so bad for you. and i hardly ever use a roach, and not many of my friends do, and it always works out fine for us!

[lil josh]

IMO joints withought roach's are terrible, its common in england to put a roach in joints, it stops getting the weed in your mouth, helps you get a better toke, stops it from getting wet and stuck closed if someone 'bums' it, can smoke it further down... the list goes on lol


i dont think ive smoked a joint withought a roach in..woah about 2-3 years now :O


Yeah its just a bit of card, front of a cateloge or something.

[sssp]

i'm from the uk and i believe thats the way it is... everyone uses a roach :S... but i personally think its better to do it the old skl, much simpler way (no roach).. then again i do it anyway (with a roach).. and i get high (like now)... so i guess its cool....

You can buy these things though, like roach tips.. that you roll. They are a specific size of card.. about 50p in uk.. they work especially well in those juicy blunts. I'm mashed.. sorry if this is all BS..

[spliffstar22]

lol, do u mean a little cardboard tokehole in the back, if it is, than i do sometimes with my blunts, because the tokes are killer like that, but my spliffs pull just fine without them, i've perfected the art of rolling.........

[TommyJ]

Why would you want to ruin good cannabis with nasty, radioactive, pesticide laced tobacco? Yes, tobacco IS radioactive! Remember that spy who was poisoned with Polonium? Well, tobacco has the SAME STUFF in it!- Radioactive Polonium in Tobacco (http://www.webspawner.com/users/radioactivethreat/)

Here's more interesting stuff about tobacco! Tobacco Poisons PESTICIDE AND ADDITIVES (http://www.webspace4me.net/~djkeyes/TobaccoPEST.html)

Think about it! - Granny:hippy:

Some of us can't afford to smoke joints with more than 0.5 in. Rolling a joint with that amount of weed in needs tobacco otherwise it's really skinny, hardly a smoke and often brings problems with keeping it alight.

[spliffstar22]

a lot of ppl put tobacco in their weed even in blunts and stuff, it helps keep the herb stay lit, especially if the herb is some sticky icky.........not a lot, just a sprinkle........

[BUZz UK]

the UK way of rolling is TOTALLY different to the US way.

[pass_the_dubbie]

I roll with a roach in the joint...mainly because around here im usually smoking pollen. For the same reason I put tobacco in my joints, I tried rolling a pollen joint with no tobacco...waste of good weed.

[Storm Crow]

When I was low on pot, I'd just tear off an inch or so of the paper and smoke a "shortie"! I've also cut my pot with oregano when I was low. Never have used tobacco in a joint- never will! NASTY, ADDICTING, POISONOUS STUFF! - Granny:hippy:

[lil josh]

roaches all the way i say :)

can a american post a vid of them rolling a joint there normal way plz, im intreagued :bonghit:

[LIP]

the UK way of rolling is TOTALLY different to the US way.

Indeed, and that's what makes us the best rollers. I think it's something we can brag about - especially since us brits proved we are the masters in a joint rolling thread last year.

The reason alot of brits roll with baccy is because in the old days, you had to. We only had hash, and hardly any bud, so you had to roll the hash with baccy. That carried on into herb, and it's stayed that way. I roll all mine pure now, but with a roach. Gotta have that roach for a supreme toke.

[LIP]

Hehe, that's a pretty bold claim :D Not that I'm the best roller but I know a few CHAMPS here in the US that can roll like machines. Their Js always come out perfectly straight, no rips or folds, perfectly even distribution of bud and smoke smoother than my glass pipes. Most of them are Asian... but born and raised in the US none the less :thumbsup:

That IS a bold claim, but, it IS one we live up to.

I only said it coz we proved it in a thread last year in recreational [i think we're in recreational now arnt we lol?]

[spliffstar22]

canadians the best rollers, get it right LIP lol..........You haven't seen my blunts.........KILLER.............

[LIP]

canadians the best rollers, get it right LIP lol..........You haven't seen my blunts.........KILLER.............

I was talking about joints, but i can roll a good blunt, so, i suggest we go head to head and see who's the better - yeah? :thumbsup:

[Reefer Rogue]

The dutch may have something to say about being the best joint rollers. How much better can one person be at rolling a joint anyway... Joints with tobacco suck ass, roaches are great.

[lil josh]

Yeh ive seen a few vids of dutch rolls, there allot liek the english way.


perfectly straight, no rips or folds

Lol who rips/folds the rizla? And fuck a straight joint, i like a nice big cone :jointsmile:

[TommyJ]

I'm up for a joint rolling contest. I don't understand why anybody would roll without a roach though, it means that you either have to waste weed, or save a bunch of nasty old butts. JUST USE A ROACH!!!