Why does everyone hate metal?

[tokinstoner]

I like mainly metal, heavy metal, screamo you know. Well i hate how everyone says that its not even music because its just screaming. Most people just listen to 5 seconds of a song and are like its screaming and i dont want anything to do with it. Its the best kind of music, its takes a lot of talent and the emotion in it is real. Classic rock is good too but i think that it doent have the emotion in it and i think it could be related to rap just because of the way they sing and what they sing about.

[LIP]

It's like people who say slipknot is noise - it's not. It's music, it's detailed, and i can hear everything perfectly so i dont know why they cant.

I've liked metal since i was about 13, i was even in a metal band for a good few years - toured and everything, and we recorded quite abit of material, enough for about 3 albums.

[Acouwaila]

How do people like rap?

[memoryburner]

I love metal. The heavier the better...and people make it seem like its easy to scream...which its not..it actually takes alot of practice

[Skink]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Metallica :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[xcrispi]

Who's everyone ?
It's pure energy , raw power and adrenilne all combined .
Crispi :jointsmile:
I think I need to go listen to Vulgar Display of Power now . lol . :D

[TX Girl]

I like all kinds of music including rap and metal and even some country. some people just aren't very adventurous with their ears I guess. And some people just dont like it and thats ok, too.

[Reefer Rogue]

Because it's too loud, i can't understand any lyrics, it sounds like the same noise. It's not classic rock and it's not reggae. That's why i hate it.

[nightlight]

The only metal i really listen to at this point is King Diamond and Mercyful Fate, though i will always hold a special place in my heart for maiden. I really hate what metal has turned into over the years.

[nightlight]

How do people like rap?

Listen to the album Ready To Die by Notorious B.I.G. on repeat for 3 months and maybe you will find out.

[Acouwaila]

Listen to the album Ready To Die by Notorious B.I.G. on repeat for 3 months and maybe you will find out.

Sorry, let me clarify..

Some rappers are talented and rap about shit that is important...like tupac and biggy....nas....

While MOST modern hip hop is all about jewelry, money, women, drugs, and cars

...

Even though some of the beats may be catchy and even creative, I cant stand to listen to faggots who are cocky egotistical fuckin pricks whos lives revolve around superficial shit...I mean yeah....money is NICE to have...but when you're sayin "I got money in the bank, shawty what you drank"....you're just a faggot in my book

[Coelho]

Most really heavy stuff I just find too abrasive, and I cannot listen to it without getting a headache.

Having said that, Sepultura do have their moments.

Indeed... i like almost any kind of metal, and screaming is nice, but with moderation. TOO much can become annoying. Sepultura is very good indeed, one of the best Brasilian bands. Angra is very good too. Its melodic power metal, with FAST guitars. :chainsaw:


i like metal :)

Well... you avatar leaves no doubt about it ;)

[sam44]

cuz it sucks.

[LIP]

cuz it sucks.


Notice the differnce between your reply and everyone elses?:thumbsup:

[blazed620]

cuz it sucks.

agreed

[sam44]

^lol

Im not saying bands like Slipknot and Sepultura arent talented, they just make music that sounds absolutley horrible to MY ears.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Personally, I feel screamo has taken metal in an entirely wrong direction. I don't know if "screamo" is meant to mean a screaming version of "emo", but it sounds like that to me. It's true, screaming does take some very strong vocals, but there's proper death metal screaming that sound really good, and then there's screamo.... which to me sounds like angry teenagers making music for angry teenagers. To each is own though. As I always believed music is more about what you take from it than what others think it delivers.

[LIP]

Exactly, to you. Not because "it sucks"

The original question was why, and "cuz it sucks" isnt an answer. The answer is it's not your type of music.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it doesnt have to be a silly waste of a post like, "cuz it sucks".

[nightlight]

Sorry, let me clarify..

Some rappers are talented and rap about shit that is important...like tupac and biggy....nas....

While MOST modern hip hop is all about jewelry, money, women, drugs, and cars

...

Even though some of the beats may be catchy and even creative, I cant stand to listen to faggots who are cocky egotistical fuckin pricks whos lives revolve around superficial shit...I mean yeah....money is NICE to have...but when you're sayin "I got money in the bank, shawty what you drank"....you're just a faggot in my book

I am with you 100% on that. My brother is all about all this stuff and i don't see the appeal whatsoever.

[sam44]

Exactly, to you. Not because "it sucks"

The original question was why, and "cuz it sucks" isnt an answer. The answer is it's not your type of music.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it doesnt have to be a silly waste of a post like, "cuz it sucks".

how bout "cuz it sucks IMO" ??? eh??? maybe i can still edit


and WildeStyle I thot it was gonna be neg rep. I was all ready to be pissed ;)

[S.P.Q.R.]

This is the only part of this message board that bothers me... the extream lack in metalheads and the extream amounts of Rap (though expected with this being a cannabis forum and all). Metal is the only music for me.. has been and always will be my form of music. Though to the OP, get your shit straight... screamo isn't metal. It's a disgusting bastard child of Emo, and to put things bluntly... emo in all forms is SHIT! Though I can't blame people for mixing things up... There's so many shitty bands calling themselves metal it's rediculous. Slipknot is the worst of these bands.. Nu-metal pop SHIT that likes to dress in silly costumes and pretend their something their not

Metal = Megadeth, Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Death, Gorgoroth, Pantera, Immolation.

Nu-metal/pop = Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, and all other shit that teenage mall-goths listen to

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Metal = Megadeth, Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Death, Gorgoroth, Pantera, Immolation.



Not a bad list. I would consider some of the best metal out there: Motorhead, Megadeth, Old Metallica, Sepultura, Slayer, Death, Arch Enemy, Dark Tranquillity, and Iron Maiden.

[S.P.Q.R.]

Not a bad list. I would consider some of the best metal out there: Motorhead, Megadeth, Old Metallica, Sepultura, Slayer, Death, Arch Enemy, Dark Tranquillity, and Iron Maiden.

Oh Fuck me, how did I forget Slayer, Motorhead, and Maiden??!! I wouldn't count Arch Enemy or Dark Tranquillity as some of the "best" metal, but i'm a bit more conservative than most :stoned:

Right now i'm listening to Death's Scream Bloody Gore album, fucking sick..

[cannabis campbell]

Lol well personally i dont like it, but yeah it is music most people are just stereotypical

[Spoken Word]

Well.. :)
Prolly similar or the same reasons why people dislike rap.

[Thepossumdance]

I love metal... I just hate screamo...

btw anyone like Electric Wizard... cool shit... nice Doom metal or whatever the fuck u wanna call it...

[S.P.Q.R.]

FUCK YEAH, MAN! Electric Wizard is trippy shit.. If you like Doom you should check out Isis.. They're sludge but a lot of Doom bands take inspiration from them

[Runaway Jim]

In my opinion, anything besides like Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Pantera is straight fucking garbage. The screamings got to go. And with regards to rap, i like rap, at least good rappers know how to put words together fluidly and flow rather than just scream nonsensical shit above repeatedly used and abused drop-D metal scales, not that most rap production today isnt as bad as that... Music in general these days sucks.

[Thepossumdance]

I think i saw Isis at staples center last year they were pretty fuckin cool... they opened for Tool (which was just fucking sick)

[logie_boy]

i love metal,
check out my bands page below to hear our metal gnarf,
im one of the guitarists

[Thepossumdance]

music aside though i think Mayhem would have to be the most metal band ever... No one lived metal like they did...

Edit: PS wooooooo 300 posts

[Spoken Word]

i think its easier to understand metal than mike jones. sounds like hes trying to talk with a handful of socks in his mouth.

metal differentiates(spelled wrong i bet) the riffs and the beat through the song, and rap is just the same computer beeps and cars honking through it all.

metal has emotion and meaning to its songs....rap...well....."im gonna skeet on your face then smoke a fat blunt while i run from these cops" or "this is why im hot this is why im hot" doesnt really have any meaning at all, except for showing how much some dude wants to jizz on something and smoke blunts?

i do like some rap though.

i prefer metal though because i like the way it sounds, and i feel like i got dumber after listening to most rap.

there's good rap and bad rap. certain people in that "culture"...more like counter culture...like the gangster shit.. consider it hardcore. far from what's on the radio.

just like metal... there's commercial and "real" shit.

both types of sound are hated a lot.
maybe because they aren't relaxing and pleasant. and the only emotion they cause is anger.
and music, to me, is allllll about what mood it makes. yes, there are rap songs that make a mood different from the "booty-fucking" mood that most carry and
yes, there are metal songs that make a mood different from the "i want to rip your head off" mood that most carry.


but
i would completely understand if someone told me "i hate rap" or "i hate metal"

maybe because the music itself stirs up emotions that people do not want to remember.

but it's fine for people that "for some reason".......want to feel that again.
but i'm peaceful....so i decide to pass on hardcore rap and metal, i'll stick with the "soft" shit.:stoned:

[Spoken Word]

and besides, metal is considered a type of rock.
where you all are comparing "rap" that is a "genre" of music.
Theres club rap, gangster rap(which is the equal of metal), soft rap, hard rap, hard core rap.... lmao.. ridiculous but for some people it sounds as normal as "classic rock".

[jahjahjahjah]

How do people like rap?

Rap in itself is jus a form of the Culture Hip Hop, todays pop that claims to be rap is plain ridiculous and it's pretty open and plain to see. Real Rap speaks truth the truth about poverty,politics,street life,knowledge,self respect,individuality,equality,civil rights,injustice,and peace.

[bucknuts1870]

I love metal. Metal today sucks though. I hate the screaming. Slayer is about as screamy as I like. It's the same reason I hate mainstream rap these days. The lead singer/rapper puts on a facade. You don't have to scream like a demon from DOOM or talk about how tight your DEagle is to be hard. Wu-Tang was as hard as any rap group ever, but they were lyracists. Black Sabbath was harder, meaner, and grittier than any Lamb of God track could ever hope to be. The riffs are clouded in a haze of shitty guitar tone, and the singer sounds like a bad mock of Hellraiser. Complete shite. Hatebreed=GAY, LoG=Gay, Children of Bodom=queers. Listen to real metal. Slayer, the first four Metallica albums, Priest, Maiden, stuff that takes talent. Iron Maiden, now THAT is talent. Iron Maiden>any metal band you think is sweet.

[psteve]

There are a few good metal bands.
Scorpions (w/Shenker)
Early Motorhead
Deep Purple
Blue Cheer
Bongzilla

But a lot of metal is poser trash. Too much of it for the rest to be taken seriously.
At least SOME rap represents a lifestyle based in reality, not some teenage goth fantasy.
So, what if you're in a really great metal band?
You might as well be in a really great polka band, because only a few people will give a rat's ass.

[pass_the_dubbie]

Metal is amazing, im glad to be a "metal head". Although I like screaming in songs I hate if its used just for effect and not to potray any emotion. I lean more towards power metal like iron maiden which would be my favourite band.

[ghosty]

I like's me some metal.. here are some of my fav metal bands

Building Better Bombs, Deftones, High on Fire, ISIS, Kyuss, Mastodon, Pelican, S.O.A.D, and of course Tool

[S.P.Q.R.]

Isn't Deftones Inde? And SOAD and Tool are alternative.. not metal.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Oh Fuck me, how did I forget Slayer, Motorhead, and Maiden??!!

Man, that's awsome you understand the greatness that is Motorhead. Almost all the kids into metal today don't even know who Motorhead are. IMHO, I think they're just as worthy of the "founding fathers of metal" title as Black Sabbath. The way I see it, Sabbath invented metal, Motorhead made it heavy metal. Yet inerestingly, at the same time, Lemmy insists to this day that Motorhead are "just rock 'n roll". They did some fine blues with "Whorehouse Blues" as well. :pimp:



I wouldn't count Arch Enemy or Dark Tranquillity as some of the "best" metal, but i'm a bit more conservative than most :stoned:


Yeah I understand where you're coming from if you're a real metal purist. But the way I see it, for what Arch Enemy does, they do it perfectly. It's just pure death metal, immensely skilled guitar, and solid vocals (angela gossow seems likeable and intelligent too).

As for Dark Tranquillity, you have to understand the Gothenburg style and how DT are revered as the creaters of the genre. I know Gothenburg has been turned into crap, macho assholes who sound like angry teenagers (IE Soilwork), but DT is the one band that really managed to keep it pure. Plus they have some incredibly catchy riffs.... but this is coming from me, who has DT among my favorite bands. and I'm really damn high, really really high, so I ramble lol.


Right now i'm listening to Death's Scream Bloody Gore album, fucking sick..


Can't say I'm crazy about the Death, but I can't deny Chuck Shuldners talent. I mean that guy has some incredible skill and a great voice... the style just doesn't really do it for me. Although "Sound Of Perseverence" was amazing, a couple of my favorite songs are from there including "Voice of the Soul" and "Story to Tell".

[ghosty]

Deftones are pretty metal if you ask me, although they may have mellowed down a bit on the last album, they can still crank some out.... S.O.A.D. is definately metal, not alternative their style may be different but it's still metal

[voodoochild0972]

dude metal is the way to go. especially the thrashtastic four (Metallica,Panter,Slayer and Anthrax)

[S.W.I.M. 504]

well i just want to say ...place genra of music here... is all i listen to, its just so good. i love the ....music sounds.... and the ...voices...., some of the best are, ...name of band... ...name of band.. name of band... and name of band..... but ....place genra of music here... sucks ass. idont know how u can listen to that crap

[pass_the_dubbie]

Deftones are pretty metal if you ask me, although they may have mellowed down a bit on the last album, they can still crank some out.... S.O.A.D. is definately metal, not alternative their style may be different but it's still metal
I would class System as metal aswell although a lot of people stick labels on them like nu-metal which I cant even begin to understand. I try to introduce all my friends to them, they have some very trippy parts in their songs.

[yoda]

i just dont like it. i dont like the sound of cookie monster on the microphone. rap gets trashed because mainstream is all about the same few categories, yet the majority of metal songs have dark meanings to them. and the guitar seems to be more focused on showing how technical and fast you can play, w/o playing something that actually sounds good.

my older brother is into all sorts of grindcore and metal bands(in flames, opeth, falkkenbach(sp???), KSE, trivium), and it's just not my thing.

[S.P.Q.R.]

Guys System of a Down and Deftones are NOT metal, they don't even call themselves metal! They're music style, lyrics, vocals... none of it is metal.

[JeKo]

metal just isnt really that chill, its pretty tight when i wanna get into listenin to some heavy music but when i just feel like chillin metal is kinda a buzzkill

[friendoftheend]

Guys System of a Down and Deftones are NOT metal, they don't even call themselves metal! They're music style, lyrics, vocals... none of it is metal.

I dont know about Deftones but i think System is metal..Metal is such a broad genre..

[Fissle]

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^wow what do you know, the new lyrics to the next screamo song. they all sound the same, and all sound like shit

sorry I dont listen to music where they scream 24/7. its annoying, its not music, and it takes no talent. I will go to a hospital, find a woman in labor, record her screams, throw some music in the background and..

BOOM I am a billionaire

[thcbongman]

You know some people can understand those screams. It depends on how quick you are to catch lyrics.

[TheBlazeofGlory]

Okay, let's get some things clear about "Heavy Metal".

The term "Heavy Metal" when applied to music means something that's artificial sounding. Layers and layers of distortion on guitars, atonal basslines, blazing drums that have primal beats at their core. Metal guitars are the polar opposite of accoustic guitars, right? The idea behind Heavy Metal is to make dark, heavy music.

In my opinion, there is nothing heavier than Black Sabbath's first album's opener, "Black Sabbath". Why? Atmosphere. Say it with me.

At - Mo - Spear.

Good. The rain and thunder in the beginning of the song set the tone for the guitars, bass, and drums to enter. Tony Iommi enters with that heavy minor triad of notes. They just sound so.. Doomy. It's pure atmosphere that creates a sense of impending doom. And that's heavy. Heavy as balls.

I used to HATE screamed vocals of any kind, whether it be Hardcore, Grind, Death, or Black. Hated it. Loved the music.

So, I'm in this band, and we bring in a singer. The guy screams. I couldn't stand it, even worse when he screamed MY lyrics. Ugh!

But he and I sat down and discussed his vocals.. He explained that while he doesn't need to scream, and he doesn't, the hostility that comes from screaming, mixed with the emotions behind it, enhance the point of the lyrics. I asked him to sing for me.

And it was amazing. Amazing. This guy who sounded like he was choking on a cactus was singing Elton John! AMAZINGLY! His voice was clear, strong, and precise.

It was in that moment that I fell in love with screamed vocals. Taking in what he said about the emotions behind his vocals, and his mastery of a non-screamed vocal.. I loved it.

His exact words to me was this :

"You run your Mesa/Boogie with alot of distortion. I run my voice with alot of distortion."

And he's right. That's all it is; putting distortion on the voice like I do my guitar. Master of Puppets wouldn't sound right at all with clean guitars. Through the Eyes of the Dead wouldn't sound right with clean vocals on top of the controlled chaos of drums, guitars, and bass.

From a musical standpoint, with metal, it's skill. Programming a great sounding drum patch for a hip-hop song requires some form of clever, but is it physically demanding? No. It's not. Playing 218 BPM on a 16th note run with sweeps thrown in for melodic purposes is when you do it for four and a half minutes. Try it.

Compared to even hard rock, metal requires so much more dedication and love to make. You can't just 'like' metal and make the heaviest music to be heard. You just can't. You have to love it.

Metal is much more complex than any other kind of music, withholding forms of Jazz Improv. And forbid you bring Jazz INTO your Metal, like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Between The Buried and Me, or Psyopus. The dexterity needed in both the right and left hands of any metal band is something to be amazed at. Feet for drummers, can't forget feet. Even the song structure requires so much more thought then a standard Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Solo-Verse-Out-Chorus. Listen to bands from the "Deathcore" genre. The best way to describe their syncopation is a school of fish.

Listen to Mastodon. Even better live. The way one second all four members are off noodling on some progressive rock riff, and the next, BOOM, heavy, fast, and loud. No warning, but all four seamlessly shift between complex riffs and beats.

That is what I love about metal. Skill, talent, dedication.

Love.

[ghosty]

^Mastodon is one of my current fav metal bands. Along with High On Fire, then I find I have a tendency to favor towards the slow, sludgier stuff like. Isis and Pelican ... btw Pelican's latest "city of echoes" kicks ass.

[TheBlazeofGlory]

Yeah, Mastodon is amazing. I recently fell in love with Isis as well, and High on Fire about two years ago when I saw them with Nile and Soilent Green. Maybe three or four years. Marijuana affects the memory.

There's a reason they can be classified (though I usually don't) as stoner metal.

[dean0000]

I like metal, but I dont listen to it all the time. It makes me feel good when I listen to it. I agree with lip's comment about people saying its noise, I can hear all the individual parts perfectly as well.

I listen to all sorts though, metal, rock, rap, pop, punk.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I don't hate metal, I just don't particularly go out of my way to listen to it.

But TheBlazeofGlory, you mention some points in your reasoning that I don't quite agree with.


From a musical standpoint, with metal, it's skill. Programming a great sounding drum patch for a hip-hop song requires some form of clever, but is it physically demanding? No. It's not. Playing 218 BPM on a 16th note run with sweeps thrown in for melodic purposes is when you do it for four and a half minutes. Try it.

I'd never argue that playing an instrument doesn't take an immense amount of skill. Usually when I make a hip hop track, I play everything live from my keyboard (even tho I'm not a particularly strong key player). Most of my songs have a simple structure, but that's a composition choice on my part, as I'm a big fan of minimalism. In fact, some of my songs are just drums and a single synth. Fuck a bass line, I'll put bass into the synth sometimes.

My whole sound comes from how I build and create my synth patches, especially when I work on my industrial music. Fairly simple melodies and progressions abusing strange and interesting sounds. Making those sounds takes a long time, as I start from scratch every time. Every sound I make, I've learned more about my instruments.

As such, I don't equate musical skill with physical demand. Do I respect musician who can skillfully play at 218 bpm? Of course. Do I hold someone's music in higher regard because of that? Nope. It's all subjective.


Metal is much more complex than any other kind of music, withholding forms of Jazz Improv. And forbid you bring Jazz INTO your Metal, like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Between The Buried and Me, or Psyopus. The dexterity needed in both the right and left hands of any metal band is something to be amazed at. Feet for drummers, can't forget feet. Even the song structure requires so much more thought then a standard Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Solo-Verse-Out-Chorus. Listen to bands from the "Deathcore" genre. The best way to describe their syncopation is a school of fish.

It all depends on your definition of "complex". Song structure or arrangements are quite different in many genres outside of pop, so the ABABCABB formula on the radio doesn't fly in many genres. If complex is based on notes per minute and dexterity, I'll hand Metal the award for complexity, but in my opinion, electronic experimental music gets my award for most complex. Some of the stuff that those guys make is incredibly mind boggling. Some of it is completely unlistenable, but some of it is great.

So does more complex = better music? Not in my opinion. A plain grey shirt looks better to me than a shirt in every colour with stripes running in every direction. Some people like complexity. Give me a grey shirt with a strip or two ;)

[ghosty]

Well stated, I agree. ^

[Juggalo k00kie]

How do people like rap?

because.. rap is about lyricism, focusing on the mental talent of the singer, in this case, rapper, being able to paint a colorful picture with words, rhythm, and flow, not relying on the beat or hook

on a second note, metal is ok... just not my thing, especially death metal, i can't stand not being able to understand the lyrics

[Hardcore Newbie]

As someone who writes both rap and "traditional" rock lyrics, I have a deep respect for both writing styles. Rap is very hard to not be boring while rapping, in that usually you write 3 16 bar verses for every song, so not repeating yourself can become a challenge. Changing up the flow and such also requires some thinking. Rock is the exact opposite, sometimes trying to express a full idea when a verse may only contain 25 syllables, not even words.

[TheBlazeofGlory]

Ah, I'm not saying that any other forms of music are lesser than metal, I wouldn't even consider myself a metalhead anymore. I still love it, but there's so much music out there I can't contain myself to one genre. Or two. Or thirty. And music skill doesn't come from the physical aspect of the music, nor does the complexity of it. In my opinion, the best music is the music that just sounds good. Even if you're playing at an insane speed, if it doesn't sound good, it's not good. I love some hip-hop, back in the day I used to listen to Jay-Z, Nas (odd combination, right?), Three Six Mafia, The Dungeon Family, etc. It's all good.

And having a complex song structure, riffs, and technique doesn't make you a good musician if you're just wanking the fretboard/drums/keys/vocals. Hell, I've been writing an album (that I plan on releasing here first) of a deformed, ugly cousin of sludge/stoner metal I call Caveman Metal. It's medium paced, simple strong structure, simple beats, gutteral music. What a caveman would listen to. Lyrics that are purely percusive, you know?

And I'll agree that avant-garde experimental music can get really really out there and odd, but it also gets to a point where you have to ask if it's music or not - Godspeed! You Black Emperor for example.. I listened to them a good bit, but I had to wonder: Is the 8 minutes of an airport terminal sounds between actual instruments really music? Contrary though, is thirty seconds of random drums and pissing-on-a-fence guitars really music either?

Good music is good. Not because it's brutal, or underground, indie, whatever you wish to call it. Personally, hand me something that tells a great story and I'm down. Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Modest Mouse, and for some young guys Brand New is amazing. I suspect they'll make some of the best music in many a year.

I agree with minimalism. Alot. I play with alot of different musicians in my area, and I can't stand it! Almost ALL the guitarist I've played with use shitty digital effects that sound like cheese. Yeah, a six second delay with flanged repeats sounds cool in your room, but when you PA that. Ew. Big ew. My guitar chain consists of a gain boost, an EQ boost and a Noise Supressor to get rid of the previous pedal's noise. Simple, but effective. I'll rely on a good tone, good lyrics, and a good vibe to make good music.

That's what matters most I guess, a good vibe.

As I said, I love metal, alot, and I do think it's the most physically astounding genre, but not the best genre by far. In my original response, I should have noted avant-garde styles of experimental alongside Jazz and Jazz-improv. However, not being a genre I listen to alot, it slipped the radar.

[sonic titan]

I didn't read all of this, but metal rules. Thrash, grind, death, sludge/doom/stoner, black metal, all of it is great to me. I also like plenty of other genres of music not even related to metal, I guess I'm just open minded.

[LuckyG]

There is a time for metal, but I try not to listen to it for more than an hour, as then I get a headache.

[420 FMX]

Sorry, let me clarify..

Some rappers are talented and rap about shit that is important...like tupac and biggy....nas....

While MOST modern hip hop is all about jewelry, money, women, drugs, and cars

...

Even though some of the beats may be catchy and even creative, I cant stand to listen to faggots who are cocky egotistical fuckin pricks whos lives revolve around superficial shit...I mean yeah....money is NICE to have...but when you're sayin "I got money in the bank, shawty what you drank"....you're just a faggot in my book

this post is AWESOME!!!! i agrreee with this! the last sentance summed it up so welll
"but when you're sayin "I got money in the bank, shawty what you drank"....you're just a faggot in my book"

the mainstream shit being produced now days is fucking SHIT i especially hates the song by mims - this is why im hot! there is nothing to IT!! anyone can write shit like that.. the mainstream beats r catchy so i guess thats why they get air time ?!

metal can be good and shit, it jsut depends on personal preference i think. i jsut hate when ppl categorise all the genre of music into one thing like all metal is played drop d and jsut screaming

[devilvenom]

in the end who the fuck cares who likes it or not, if u like to get some aggression out with some ear shattering, noise bending, heart pounding kick ass fucking metal, then by all means, make your ears bleed. i can fall asleep to that shit.:cool:

[thcbongman]

Here's my thing against most of the metal in genre. I think for the most part it's too soft. It's like since Dimebag died, metal crumbled.

Exhibit A:

www.myspace.com/cambian0dawn (http://www.myspace.com/cambian0dawn)

Much of metal sounds like this. Now there a number of good metal bands. Pantera, Sepultura, Slayer, Opeth, Between The Buried & Me. Bands who actually sound hard, skilled musicians and are creative.

However a lot of metal sounds so bland, like the band I listed above. It's not hard, it's a joke. They either try to sound like everybody else, or they try to write a complex song, and make it sound like crap.

I challenge all metal fans to listen to Lightning Bolt. There aren't even metal, but their sound is more tight and harder than many metal bands. The catch? They are only a two-piece, a modified bass and drums. That's it.

Metal can have a great sound, but like everything else, you have to sift through shit to find something actually good.

[sonic titan]

My avatar is Lightning Bolt's Hypermagic Mountain album cover. I agree, they are incredible, and Brian Chippendale(drummer) is one of my heros. But they aren't metal at all, noise rock.

Listen to Discordance Axis, Suffocation, Aborted, or Carcass. Even though these bands are old, there are still bands ripping shit up today. Nile and Necrophagist are some examples. And if you don't like that type of shit there is even more styles. For example you could dig Noothgrush or Corrupted, or maybe even Candelmass. There are so many styles and subgenres of this genre I don't know how you couldn't find at least one thing you're into.

[thcbongman]

I'm happy to see another that appreciates Lightning Bolt! Hypermagic Mountain is one of of their best, actually all their albums are pretty good, although Wonderful Rainbow is my personal favorite. Their progression is just amazing, I can't wait until their next album comes out, which should be this or next year. I haven't seen them live either, but I heard they do shows where they perform on the floor level with their fans. God, the minute they announce their touring, I'm immediately getting tickets.

[sonic titan]

Wow, I didn't know they were recording a new album. Thanks for the update, where did you hear about this? They just recently put out a dvd called "The Power Of Salad And Milkshakes". They actually have the whole dvd on youtube.
YouTube - Lightning Bolt - The Power Of Salad And Milkshakes (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2emHj3qTX9k&mode=related&search=)
That's the link for it. I want to see them so bad, I hear it's one of the loudest things you'll ever hear. Besides bands like Sunn O))) and the like.

[thcbongman]

I read it sometime ago, it was on pitchfork or something like that. Could be just a rumor. I'm just pissed off that Lightning Bolt had a tour this year, and it came nowhere close to DC. Grrrrr.....

[suhl]

there is good metal and bad. it isnt for everyone and it isnt easy to listen to so people hate. as far as im concerned no metal band touches pantera and probably never will be. people have tried to say lamb of god are the new pantera. that is a joke. slipknot...well they dont step either. anyway it isnt a contest but the point is on every instrument and definitely vocally they are the best. i myself cant stand a lot of the screaming. acid bath is one of the only other metal bands with real screaming i can stand. i think they are great too. the main reason is the screaming isnt easy to listen to and it immediately turns people away though.

[O' Cannabis]

I don't like most metal because when i'm stoned I just wanna chill and it's hard when my buddys have it cranked and some guy is creamin in my ear, but for some reason I like the band children of Bodom. It just pumps me up, and metallicas good 2.

[psteve]

Mostly what finally made metal suck was all the dumbass posers.
There's just something wrong about a 12 year old with leather and studs, sitting next to his momma at a Metallica show.

[action.420]

I like metal but for me it's not creative enough... too many scales in different rthymns etc. and not enough creativity.

but thats my opinion.

[sonic titan]

Not enough creativity!? Eh, you're entitled to your opinion.

[ghosty]

Lightning Bolt is pretty cool from what ive heard of them, I was gonna go buy wonderful rainbow once, but the shop didnt have it. maybe I will have to go make an effort to order it. I really like the song "On Fire" it's crazy. and there was another song that i dont remember the title of but I saw the video for on thier page. The video was some dude in a costume that looked like one of the things from "where the wild things are" as the song g faster and faster the video increased in speed, it was pretty sweet.