Insomnia

[RESiNATE]

I've got insomnia :(

I wonder how many people have actually walked this Earth, since time began...

If there are 6.5Billion people on this planet now, and a person is born every 2 seconds, and someone dies at the same time, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out...should it?

How long has this planet been habitable?
Multiply that by 6.5Billion, and the answer should be something around that figure, yeah?

But, of course there hasn't always been 6.5Billion people alive at any one time, has there.

Hmmmm....I wonder :confused:

[RESiNATE]

Ok, so the Earth has been habitable for approximately 4.5Billion years.

:rolleyes:

[Buck268]

Well, if in 1300 there was approx. 2,000,000 people on earth and there are 6.5billion now, thats a growth rate of? You could them model this into a graph taking the derivative to find to total number of people...

Unless I'm wrong?

[RESiNATE]

http://www.prb.org/Content/ContentGroups/PTarticle/0ct-Dec02/How_Many_People_Have_Ever_Lived_on_Earth_.htm

Apparently, the figure is guesstimated at around 106,456,367,669 - since 50,000BC!

Cool, I answered my own question...

What else shall I think about?

[Buck268]

How about Determinism?

Perhaps you will come up with your own theory of compatibilism.


...which is a word, despite what my philosophy instructor said... I read an entire book on it :p

[RESiNATE]

Determinism?
Do you mean whether or not we have free-will?

I have my own theories on this, but they don't adhere to most people's thinking lol

[Buck268]

I do. Care to elaborate? I love a good philosophy discussion...

[RESiNATE]

Do we have free-will?

Maybe...

But, is the ability to view or consider all the alternatives to any given action, really a case for free-will?
We must look at our individual moral code and conscience, not to mention our life experiences and lessons learned by others, before we can make the presented choices.
I used to believe in Fate.
I believed in it so much, that in many ways it has prevented me from doing lots of things with my life.
But, here's where it gets confusing...because, although I believed in Fate, I wasn't too sure about the concept of Destiny.
Do Fate and Destiny go hand-in-hand, or are they two entirely different animals?

Is Fate a consequence of an action?
Is Destiny pre-ordained, or a result of Fate?
Or, is Fate and Destiny a precursor to Causality?

[Buck268]

Fate typically refers to the necessary outcome as dictated by universal causal (yes, causal) laws while destiney typically holds a much more superstisious presence....

It sounds like you are a bit of a Compatibilist. YOu acknowledge that the universe may very well be dictated by causal laws, that you amy or may not have a choice in action. But you also seem to recognise a general acceptation of that doctrine would devestate society therefore you propagate the idea of determined free will. Or the act of choosing requires free will, even if your choice was predetermined.

I dunno, I kinda see it like that. I could go into more depth but I'm outta budha and cant focus.

[RESiNATE]

One thing that makes me chuckle, is the idea that one has an instructor for philosophy!
lol
Surely, that is defeating the object of the excersise?

I suppose that we need a model to work with here.
So, the senario is this:

The one you love more than anything is standing underneath a big block of iron. The block of iron is big enough to squash that person and kill them out-right. However, that person is standing on a button that, if released, will instantly destroy the city in which you live, killing thousands of people.
Within the next 5 minutes, the block of iron will drop.
What do you do?

[RESiNATE]

Yes, I agree that destiny is a largely supersticious notion...
But Fate is a little more mysterious...
And if Fate is a truism, then it could be said that we have no free-will.

People will say "the choices we make dictate our Fate"...I disagree (if we are to believe in Fate). I would rather be inclined to say "Fate dictates the choices that we make."

lol

[Blisterize]

BUT, Res, the earth is 4 billion five-hundred thousand eight years and one month, to be specific. Because I did a study in December of 1996 and the earth was 4.5 billion then. So that must be taken into account to deduce the proper equation. I am working on the calculation now, but we may need HHJack and his supergyroscopicmegalithiccomputation device to be absolutely certain. After all, to release this info without proper verification and double-checking would be nothing less than a disservice to cannabisdotcommers!!! Thank You. Out.

[Ammie]

omg this thread made my head hurt :confused:




*runs to her room grabs her stash and tokes up*
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh much better u guys dont do that to me again :p

[Blisterize]

Ummm...I mean SIX billion five-hundred million...SiX biliion....sorry not four, I'm so high I don't know what's goin' on!

[Buck268]

Yes, I agree that destiny is a largely supersticious notion...
But Fate is a little more mysterious...
And if Fate is a truism, then it could be said that we have no free-will.

People will say "the choices we make dictate our Fate"...I disagree (if we are to believe in Fate). I would rather be inclined to say "Fate dictates the choices that we make."

lol


Makes sense over here... As for the philo instructor, he actually did a good job, tried very hard on teaching the material )specifics of renounded, timeless philosophers such as Socrates and Hume and many more)... Always challenged the class to think. He was the typical liberal deusch professor, but if you look beyond that he did very well at being objective in his teaching. Too bad he was so out of touch with reality :rolleyes:

[RESiNATE]

A very good point, Blisterize :)

See, I was very much of a mind that answers will present themselves, therefore making me a kind of 'Fatalist'. To some degrees, i still do think that...but, the past 4 years or so has changed my way of thinking drastically.
I've always been able to 'see' things that others do not (or won't lol) - common sense, or seerism?
But, the problem that we humans have, is that we cannot 'see' beyond our own lives.
Things only seem to matter if they are consequencial to us.
So, when I look for the answer to whether or not I have free-will, I can't help but think that my 'vision' is clouded by my own selfish needs and requirements.

In the above senario, the moral choice is simple.
However, what impact has the choice had upon our Fate?
Or, was the choice just a singular event?
If so, then Fate could be a very short-lived phenomena - here and now, if you like, and not part of a bigger picture.

[Buck268]

A question for the ages, eh? As for Blisterize's input, I was intended to get a rough estimate (which in reality is all a numeric derivative can find). Either way I'm glad he's working on it not me :p

As for our perception of free will. I tend to put this in the same catagory as our perception of time. It cannot be directly perceived, therefore we cannot emperically draw a logical conclusion. This is the realm of nothing more than speculation, unless you can apply some type of mathematics (I have seen this done once, but it was used to illustrative purposes not definitive)

[RESiNATE]

I suppose that it depends on how you view life - schematically speaking...

I believe (neuralogically) that our livespan is divided into an infinite number of 'rooms'. Each 'room' is the current situation, and from each 'room' leads a door into the next current situation (or 'room'). When you enter the 'room' you are armed with everything that you have learned from the previous 'room'. The 'room' is a euphamism for a 'stage of learning' (ie, in order for you to leave this 'room', you must learn a lesson).
You can never go back to the previous 'room', and you will remain within this 'room' until your 'lesson' is learned.
(with me so far? lmaoo)
However, this idea can only work if you believe that you have no free-will - otherwise, there would be numerous 'exits' available due to the nature of free-will.

So, as we go through our lives, we enter and leave these 'rooms' with a little more knowledge and understanding that help us (sometimes) to progress along the corridor (for want of a better description) towards our ultimate end.

If the choices that we have are based upon moral code, life experience, and other factors...then would it be true to say that, as we get older, our choices become less?

[Buck268]

Very interesting... Very Plutonic... Are you familar with some the the details Plato laid out in his teachings? Especially his theory of Forms, the allegory of the cave, and his levels of awareness?

[poorman3]

sorry resinate, you just remind me of spock. :D

[RESiNATE]

Do you know what!...I aint read anything like that lmaoo..I'm just a deep-thinker, that takes scraps of information, and has my own ideas.

I dunno, it all comes back to Fate and stuff, for me.
Like, since I was small, I had ideas about how we live, what we do to each other, and the complexities of life. Most of it depresses me, because life could be so simple if we weren't so human, you know?
I used to think that I would find the answers to life...

Sometimes, I think that I am in the wrong place and time - it's kinda why I never got into computers...they couldn't do the things that i wanted to do, back then...now that they can, I feel lost lol

I have this ability to learn stuff really quickly (if i can be bothered lol) - like, I taught myself the Greek alphabet when I was 8yrs old, because I was bored one night.
But sometimes, I get a confusion of thought processes - like, I'll think ahead of myself too far, and then lose the thread...

I think about all manner of things, like perpetual motion lmao
A friend of mine once said that I analyse stuff too much - people, problems, theories...she said that my analytical stance cause more harm than good lol...maybe she was right :rolleyes:
I dunno, sometimes I just think that people don't think enough...it's why the world is the way it is, I guess :o

Maybe, I'm just a stoner who has ideas above his status...

I have a thirst for knowledge...not factual knowledge per se, but hypothetical knowledge (if there is such a thing lol)
I like hearing other people's views and ideas (as long as they are open to discussion), because I see those thoughts as a way to confirm (or dismiss) my own.

I'm blabbing, aren't I? lol

[RESiNATE]

LMFAO Poorman :D:D:D:D
(the eyes look eerily true to fact!:eek: )
:D

[Buck268]

Yeah dude that happens to me, especially when I'm talking... But I think thats supposedly a key symptom of "ADD" (I term I loathe, but thats a different subject)

[poorman3]

res, i think your a very smart guy. please don`t take no offence at my post. i always liked spock because he could do.... well what you do. i admire people who have your abilities. i wished i had them! peace man.

[RESiNATE]

lol, no offense taken at all, Poorman :D...and thanks for the compliment.
Spock and I are similar in many ways ;)
(The only differance being that I have too much compassion)

But Poorman, you can do what I do...you just have to open your mind further.
See, it's a case of looking at any given problem from a multitude of angles - logical, theoretical, probable, and imaginable...to name but a few.
Then, it's just a case of applying the knowledge that you have gained from those perspectives.

That's all I do!

I haven't got a degree in science, but I can hypothesise on a method of creating perpetual motion, because I can look at the problem from all manner of angles - wittle the fantastic away from the facts, and arrive at a 'realistic' solution.
Application of knowledge, see! lol

You just haven't got to be afraid of asking questions.
If the person that you are asking doesn't have the answers, then ask someone else - then remember the answer in a way that you can understand. Apply your existing knowledge, to that which you have just learnt.
For example;
Electricty flows in the same way as water does - the power source is the reservior, and the switches are like dams...the water always has to flow back to the reservior, and can only do so if the dams are open.
Know you know how to wire something up!

Cool!

[RESiNATE]

Know you know how to wire something up!

Errr...should have read "Now you know..."
Duh!..another example of my thinking ahead of myself bwhahahaha

:D

[poorman3]

thanks resinate. i`m an old stoner. sometimes its hard to remember things i have learned. i have always asked the questions whether i got the answers or not.lol. i understand electricity pretty much.i always do my own around the house and help others. i like to fix appliances and things.a handyman if you will. perpetual motion is one thing i have always though about. peace.

[RESiNATE]

lol..life has a habit of reminding us of our previous lessons....usually at the point when it smacks us upside the head lmaoo
*smack*...Ouch!..Ahh yes, now I remember!"
:D

I did my own wiring once, but everytime I switched the lights on, I got drenched!
Maybe I took the water analogy too far...:rolleyes:

hehehe

[poorman3]

yes, i`ve been smacked a time ot two. remember this, hot is on the left and shit don`t float up hill. lol.

[RESiNATE]

lol...wise words, indeed!

There was a house that I was living in once, and the hot was on the right :confused:
The amount of squash I ever wasted, was scandalous! - hot squash tases like shit!
Maybe the plumber was fixing the taps from behind the sink....:confused:

Or maybe he was just a dumbass!
lol

[RESiNATE]

Crikey...it's 0600!
And we all know what the 'O' stands for, don't we?

"Oh my god, I haven't slept a wink!!!"

Anyways, I've got this really cool piece of glass block, and fishes have been etched inside the glass with a laser!
Cool....but, how did they do that?
Can a laser be focused to a certain point?

If I had a web-cam, or summat, I could post a pic of it..it looks really smart :D
Hmmm..I might be able to find a similar piece on the web..hang on....

[GHoSToKeR]

I havent slept either.. sucks, eh? Why do you think im in such a bad mood (for an example, read my thread entitled 'Guns and whatever'... thats what lack of sleep can do to a person :p

[RESiNATE]

WTF!!!
I just looked for a picture...like I was talking about...and came across this site
http://corporate-awards.100freemb.com/index.html
But, underneath, it had these words:
wherein however whereafter. therein cannot i'd seven whence beforehand seven, make hasn't had perhaps under whence had engraved brick last mrs becomes its against did what's there before, nobody each beginning ever for ring everything the around anything put one's engraved brick along until they're my any not stop three which never must himself text alone. however ninety wherever well instead, buy recently stop good engraved brick same not which really more herself, billion join whereas you others without was thus onto any per among. although what's through whither these several off engraved brick total help them according his would aren't. etc thousand since there'll whatever between before meantime thereby becoming made own. last hasn't across thereupon whom now couldn't could a they let when do didn't adj engraved brick seems onto according taking homepage also further there's who once the do. help, text forty maybe during she's same whenever quick becoming ad he's who'd when miss overall engraved brick ninety we'll same two up.


I mean, WTF!!?!?!?!!?!

Anyway..still looking for pics..grrr

[poorman3]

maybe the plumber did`nt know his left from right. lol. it`s 1:10 am here. i don`t know a thing about lasers.

[RESiNATE]

Yeah, i read your post, GHoST lol
You should have joined in the deep convo...:rolleyes:...might not ensure your sanity, but wouldv'e stopped you thinking about guns...what are you, obsessed with 'em? :p

lol

[RESiNATE]

Yay!
I found this site http://www.morethanagiftonline.co.uk/crystal/laser%20crystal.htm
And the picture is just an example of what I'm talking about :D
(mine is of an Angel fish and Clown fish with some plantlife stuff)
Very cool...

Just so that you know...init?
:D

[GHoSToKeR]

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Thats the kind of crap they put in websites to make them get a higher ranking on a search engine.. i hate it.. or like, when you search for something, (for example, umm, general relativity) and you get loads of results that say Looking for general relativity? we have the best and prices for general relativity in your area! click here to visit all the best general relativity shops and auctions!

Grrrrrrrr! lol

[GHoSToKeR]

thats pretty cool, Res!! how do you know it was carved by laser?

[GHoSToKeR]

never mind that last question, i just saw this - Laser Etched Crystals and Crystal Collectables Catalogue LOL :p

[RESiNATE]

Because the box it came in said "Laser-etched Glassware" lmfaoooo

But, I have worked in the engineering industry, which is increasingly using (bad grammar - same excuse as you lol) lasers in the production thing...

start again:

Lasers are fast becoming the norm in the engineering industry, of which I have had some experience. From that experience, I have gained the knowledge that lasers are extremely versatile - they can cut sheet steel of up to 8mm in thickness, to a tolerance of 0.001mm!
My father works in Argon Gas Emission Spectrometry (which also employs lasers), and thus have gain a little knowledge about lasers there too.

But mainly I know, because it said: "Laser-etched Glassware", on the box hehehe ;)

[RESiNATE]

never mind that last question...

Damn, and I typed out all that stuff just now!
:mad:







:D

[poorman3]

does the glass have an opening where you can feel the etching? can lasers be reflected to do the etching.

[RESiNATE]

No, Poorman, the block of glass is solid.
I suppose that they can focus the laser to any given point.
They say: "New laser technology is used to etch very fine dots inside a cube of glass to create visually stunning images. A light source can be added to increase the effect."
(might save up for one of them there light boxes :D )

I guess that they use some kind of CNC programming (CNC:ComputerisedNumericControl), like they do for punching out holes in a sheet of steel.
Where I used to work, they had a CNC Punch machine that was capable of punching 600 holes per minute - sounded like a machine gun going off lol.
It could handle a piece of steel that measured 2Mtrs sq (8ftx8ft(approx)), and punch out holes of differing sizes in a matter of seconds!
There was a turret in the middle that housed all the punches, and that would spin to the correct punch-size, at the correct X-Y axis...all at terrific speed.
Was very impressive to watch...but very boring to work.
All the operator had to do was load up a piece of steel, press a button *bang bang bang*, unload the steel, then load another one...repeat 500times a day..grrr...

that's why I went back to truck driving lmaooo

[XTC]

"When you have insomina you are never really awake and you're never really asleep. Everything is just a copy of a copy of a copy. When deep space exploration cramps up, it will be the corporations that name everything. The Microsoft Galaxy, The IBM Stellasphere, Planet Starbucks......"

[RESiNATE]

lol, XTC..and the second rule of Fight Club is...

I first saw that film in the cinema, my mate and I were on allsorts of wierd and wonderful stuff (getting the tickets was an episode in itself lmao), and everything was fine, until the moment that he had that mid-air-collision...
I was like, WTF!!!

lol

Excellent film, that says alot that needs to be listened to ;)

[RESiNATE]

Interestingly, I found myself identifying myself with Marla, more than anyone :confused:

[Buck268]

Except the part about insomnia is so true... I rememeber last winter....

[RESiNATE]

Yeah, I guess that this thread is proof that insomniacs should be banned from the internet lmaooo
I know I'm awake, and later...I'll know that I was awake...and when I do finally fall asleep, I'll not wake up....

..hey, now there's a plan lol

Sorry, bit of darkness creeping in there lol ;)

[poorman3]

yes, i guess that steel job would be boring to do. but to watch it work would be cool. my brother and step brother have their own machine shop. they have a few lathes, one has that cnc on it. the other is older and its manual.lol.

[Buck268]

See, last year I'd not sleep for days then get maybe 8-12 hours and be up for the next few days... it was terribly boring...

[RESiNATE]

Ah, but that was last year...nowadays, you can talk about compatibilism, water/electric systems, laser etched glass, CNC technology, AND movies that make a point in the most twisted of ways!

No excuse for boredom in the year 2005! :D

[RESiNATE]

Mind you...my ass is as numb as a thing that would be numb!

I was going to get a cushion to sit on, but I kept forgetting...
:o

[poorman3]

yeah buck. i am up 48 hrs and sleeping 7-8 hrs. boring as hell.

[GHoSToKeR]

i have the worst sleeping pattern in the history of bad sleeping patterns

sometimes, i dont sleep for a day or two or three or more, sometimes i sleep for 24 hours at a time!! its crazy, and soooooo annoying/boring :(

[Blisterize]

IN THE span of 18 months, Isaac Newton invented calculus, constructed a theory of optics, explained how gravity works and discovered his laws of motion. As a result, 1665 and the early months of 1666 are termed his annus mirabilis. It was a sustained sprint of intellectual achievement that no one thought could ever be equalled. But in a span of a few moments after Resinates last post, it all began to unravel. One phenomenon after another was discovered which could not be explained by the laws of classical physics. The theories of Newton, and of James Clerk Maxwell who followed him in the mid-19th century by crafting a more comprehensive account of electromagnetism, were in trouble.

After Resinates' post, I found the way forward. In five remarkable papers, I have found that atoms are real (it is still controversial today), am presenting my conclusions, my special theory of relativity, and put quantum theory on its feet today. It was a different achievement from my prior year, but my annus mirabilis is no less remarkable. I did not, like Newton, have to invent entirely new forms of mathematics. However, I had to revise notions of space and time fundamentally. And unlike Newton, who did not publish his results for nearly 20 years, so obsessed was he with secrecy and working out the details, I released my paper immediately, as a fusillade of ideas.

The experiment is further explained by Henrich Lorentz, a Dutch physicist, who came up with the mathematics required for the answerâ??that there was a contraction in the direction of the Earth's movement, just enough to make the two speeds seem the same. Lorentz could not explain how this contraction occurred, though. He speculated that perhaps forces were at work inside molecules, which were, at the time, still hypothetical entities.

What I realised, without adding any new mathematics, but in a profoundly new way nonetheless, was that there was no seem about it. Space really was contracting, and time was slowing down. It is just this that Pais was referring to when he said that I was good at picking invariance principles. Everyone had hitherto thought that time was invariant. It is not. No one thought the speed of light was. It is.

The estimation of people on the earth becomes highly insignificant in light of these new revelations. I will you keep you posted as to todays results...

[Buck268]

Isaac Newton stole Calculus. I feel like a stoner, because I forget who it was, but I beleive it was a dutchman. He sent in his work to be published in Newton's scientific journal, and Newton certainly did publish it. Along with some changes. Under his name. ;)

[GHoSToKeR]

The anniversary of Einsteinâ??s Annus Mirabilis is on my birthday.. hmmm

[RESiNATE]

So, what are you saying, Blisterize?
Did I do good! lmfaooo

It's just that I took delivery of some weed today, and I am now completely hammered :D
I aint had any weed for , like, aaages, dude!

[GHoSToKeR]

what do you mean, 'took delivery', Res? :S

[RESiNATE]

Well, like, goit some weed :confused:
I look like Mr Myagi out of Karate Kid lol

[GHoSToKeR]

dammit Res, get into chat

(im bored lol)

[Hektik]

I've got insomnia as well. If it wasn't for smokin mad treez i would never sleep normaly

[juggalo420]

my sleeping sucks, i skip a day, and the day i do sleep i dont sleep till like 6am and then sllep till like 5pm, i think my dxm over use disturbed my sleeping patterns.