strange 3 leaved seedling

[atsar]

ok,i've sprouted quite a few seedlingd,but have never seen anything like this so far,it had 3 little leaves when it sprouted(cotyledons?not sure what they're called,and now it's first set of proper leaves there's 3 also

is this normal?or should i get rid?

thanks
stef

[xxxhazexxx]

its cool just s freak i have had them b4 most of them have been males tho,but good luck:thumbsup:

[Earthy Dank]

Well everyones gonna wanna call it something different. It could mean its a triploid. Its not that strange but it is uncommon. I had a little triploid outside once... It got about 6 ft tall before my dad found it and killed it...:(

[Storm Crow]

Triploid refers to a genetic condition where the plant has an extra set of chromasomes. Nor is it a polyploid which is a similar extra chromasomal mutation. (I have to leave for work soon, so I may have misspelled a few words- and I don't have time to correct it) Anyway- run a search and learn the difference!

What you have is whorled phyllotaxy - it just happens sometimes. The good news is that they produce more branches which = more buds. The bad news is that they are often males, for some reason. If it's a female of good quality, I'd clone it for the heck of it. - Granny:hippy:

[stinkyattic]

AAAAGH no it is not a triploid!!!

[Earthy Dank]

Fine its a whorled phyllotaxy.... But how do you know it doesn't have 3 sets of chromosomes? Did you count them? BTW my whorled phyllotaxy was female.

[stinkyattic]

Nice training job on that girl.
I don't see 3 cotyledons on the seedling though.
Counting, lol... true polyploid seeds have an EXTREMELY low germ rate, like 1%, it's outrageous... in advanced somewhere there's a writeup on the experiments with chemically forcing polyploidy. The chances of getting one that survives are slim to none unless you are germing hundreds of seeds that have been treated with colchichine.

[Earthy Dank]

What makes a plant become a whorled phyllotaxy?

[stinkyattic]

That's a good question! Why are some people born with an extra toe?

[Earthy Dank]

Lol so.... It is just a freak of nature...

[Cornelius]

i think it's neat. i'd like to have one too. I wonder what percentage of plants have this, b/c it's pretty fly. I'd love to grow one. It'd be wicked if someone could breed a strain that was like this. Tri-force (c).

haha

-P

[atsar]

ah right
so,this plant should yeild more than it would if it was a normal plant?here's hoping it's a girl

could this thing have anything to do with it being germed outdoors?i notice someone mentioned they had one outside too,well this one was also in a massive pot outside my house,it must have come from one of my unsuccessful prior attempts at germing seeds,anything that doesn't germinate and soil from old grows go into this pot,though it must have been in there a while as i haven't put any seeds in it for months

[miley]

I have 2 papaya plants with whorled phytolaxy a male and a female. What would happen if i pollinated the female with the male. Would the seeds all have this trait? Stinky? Anyone?

[stinkyattic]

Miley OMG I cannot believe you just posted that- let me guess, Nirvana Standard papaya>?
I actually came onto this thread again to post that MY Nirvana Papayas started off 'normal' and after the first couple nodes decided, hey! I' gonna go whorled! SO FREAKING ODD.
I assume the trait is heritable. Particularly since we are seeing it appear in the same strain!
Some buffoon was selling seeds on youtube that he claimed were stable for the trait but he was asking like $20,000 USD... HAHA moron.
I am DEFINITELY going to cross these and see if it stabilizes after a couple generations. You know, it is for fun... :D

[miley]

No shit! You got some too. Are you going to try to breed them? Is it true that they produce at least a 1/3 more? Oh and mine did just like yours they grew normal for the first few nodes then started the Tri leave deal. Oh and your right about the strain.

[sneakyt33]

I had a few papaya that did the same thing. They were males and I'll use them for breeding to see what happens.

[stinkyattic]

I think we should have a freaky nirvana papaya club. I'm definitely going to try and lock down the trait just for shits n giggles. I genuinely doubt that you get 1/3 more bud, since there are so many other factors, but hey, I grow in large part for FUN and this is COOL.

[miley]

Hey Stinky. Making a club sounds cool. lol. I'm with you on the 1/3 more but i do believe that they will produce more just because of having an extra bud site at every node.