im wanting to know

[sublimebudsmoker]

im wanting to know if i should start my crop out on 12/12 heres a pic info is surely accepted

[sublimebudsmoker]

can no one offer any help?

[twoguysupnorth]

its big enough, you could. are there any signs of the sex at the nodes?

[sublimebudsmoker]

i dont really know, could you kinda explain to me where the nodes are? then i could take a pic of em

[Storm Crow]

They are the slightly fatter spot where the leaves grow. In Cannabis, the nodes are where you see the first pre-flowers (translucent WHITE "V"-shaped, thin hairs). There are also some GREEN, thicker protuberances near the nodes- these are NOT pre-flowers. In males, you don't get the hairs- you get flower buds at the nodes. They are football shaped and look nothing like the female's pre-flowers.

Internodes are the stems between the leaves. In males, they tend to be a bit longer than in females, but it is not an accurate way to sex. I play a "guessing game" before the pre-flowers show, using internode spacing- I'm right about 3/4 of the time. Incidentally, females usually take a few days longer than the males to show their sex. So don't get too bummed out when those first few plants tell you they are males- the females are just taking their own sweet time.- Granny:hippy:

[sublimebudsmoker]

i cant really tell so heres a pic or a couple of them to see if you guys could

[twoguysupnorth]

i dont like to chance on pulling the wrong plants either, but your plant looks mature enough to put into flowering. some say they can tell which sex it is there but i cant tell and wouldnt tell you to make a decision on it that way. i tried to guess before too, and got many right but some wrong, so im glad i didnt yank plants based on that. start flowering id say,and do a search on preflowers/preflowering and see if it helps.

[sublimebudsmoker]

im really new to this, well growing, ive been growing the last three years (its only been three times) the last time i had to cut them down because i got word of someone snitching(aint that a bitch?) well anyways, does budding come after flowering?....would it help any if i used superthrive?

[twoguysupnorth]

yes, well budding is flowering really. just that some say that when your plants get to a mature age like what you have they can tell if its male/female before actually budding it(12/12) and save the space for only females. did you get a harvest out of any of your grows? i have only grown outdoors 4 times untill this yr.only one was what id call a good one as far as yeild (mostly do to not taking care of them), but they were all good as far as learning and a little smoke. i just put mine into 12/12 4 days ago at about 2 months old. i dont know anything about superthrive, i try to stay mostly organic except a couple of doses of peters while in the vegative stage. this yr i bought wormcastings for veg and bat guano for flowering and i am trying the molasses thing for the soil and to get fatter/fuller buds. what type of light are you using? i started with a 26 watt cfl and vegged for a month under a 150 hps which is what im using to flower too. ill help if i can, but this is my first time indoors. yeah i got scared and had to rip plants once because a roomie left on bad terms and i wasnt sure how he would react, though he was cool.

[stinkyattic]

They need a much bigger pot
They have not gone alternating yet
Time to repot, then give them a little time, it won't be long.

[sublimebudsmoker]

i know they need a bigger pot but i tried to transplant them and the roots were all the way down to the bottom and my friend tried to transplant his that were the same and they all died....no i didnt get to harvest any of the past well in a way i got a harvest last year but nothing that really gave me a buzz, the year before that someone found my hiding spot and snacthed all of them except one that was near a pine tree(cant see how they missed that one since it was easier to spot then the other six)...i know i shouldnt be using this kind of light but im using a incandescent clamp light that i bought at wal-mart for like 5 something and just a 100 watt...as you can see its doing pretty well, i tried a florescent grow light that i bought for like three days and i got tired of it and went back to what im using now and i had to raise the light 2-3 times that day.....whats the deal with molasses?...this is my first indoor too so dont feel to bad

[stinkyattic]

They are going to die if you DON'T transplant them.
Molasses is a carbon source.
Hmm sounds like you are due for a grow area upgrade... next time, individual pots, no incandescents.... and under lights, you want to keep them shorter and bushier for light efficiency.

[sublimebudsmoker]

so you tell me how am i supposed to do that without risking my crop?

[twoguysupnorth]

if you topped it(take the top set of leaves off to the next node) it would fill out and get bushier, and stay a little shorter.try it next time, it will help some this time too if you havnt started flowering yet. i dont know what your friend did to kill his plant but normally the do need to be transplanted into a bigger pot, and lots of people do it with no ill effects. if you do this, do it before flowering too.like maybe a week to let it recover from the topping and transplanting. good luck with it. just do a lot of reading, you will get lots of info. and not all of it good. but you will see that there are some things that most everybody agrees on.

[sublimebudsmoker]

well the problem my friend had was due to part of the root ball thing breaking on him and him picking at it too much(found that out tonight) well i transplanted them last night into a 42-45 qt tote damn thing took nearly 50 pounds of dirt to fill it good thing that i bought 60, but their looking good, should i still let them go on 12-12?

[sublimebudsmoker]

sorry to repost sooo fast but i just remembered that it was a bitch to get it out of that pot because the roots went from just under the soil to all the way down to the bottom....was very worried about not breaking the roots....took me about half an hour to 45 mins just to get it out

[twoguysupnorth]

lol, that is like a 10 gallon plus container, which i dont see any problems with though ive never went that big. how big was your old pot? 1 gallon? how tall can you let your plant get? id let it sit for a little while, a few days (week?)to get acustomed to the new container, then yeah go for it, there is lots of root room in there for sure. also, i would definately use your flourescent light, plus the other one if no one else see any problems with it. youll need it to get enough light for budding, if it is a female. thats your only plant isnt it? 50/50 chance of male or female. good luck. think girl ,think girl. the other thing is i dont know what you have been feeding it, but it should have been high in n- and possibly -k but now (in flowering) low n- high p- and low -k for budding. again i would top it before trying to flower it, but thats just me. especially as tall as that might come out and not enough light to bud properly.

[twoguysupnorth]

p.s. the molasses are for the microbes and benificial bacteria to help the soil, it also has nutrients of its own? plus for flowering it supplys sugar to your plants for hopefully a fatter more filled in bud. 1 TSP a gallon, but i added two, oops. it was pleasant and havnt had any bad effects except my room smelled like a big ginger cookie for a day. you can smell it through the leaves for 2-3 days later. ill definately stop that a few days before harvesting. it was a strange mix of the plant smell and gingerbread. i think illl only use it bi weekly.

[sublimebudsmoker]

i got two of those lights up in my room, so in general i have 200 watts of light on my babies...i know i got one or two females but i aint risking any of them byu killing one or two of them, i know people dont like males but i do know they are still smokable might be less of a high but itll still fit in a paper....to tell you something i only started to grow to see if i could save some money since gas is so damned high...hopefully i can get that high...to answer they can get as tall as 10-12 foot i dont know exactly how big the last pot was but i do know it was no where near to the tote that im using now is...i think i might try molasses..ive been feeding mircale-grow plant food but ive been looking for a 10-30-20 mixture havent had any luck, but today im going to call the farmers co-op and a few other places..i think that the floro doesnt work as good as it should but ill try it

[stinkyattic]

so you tell me how am i supposed to do that without risking my crop?

By doing it right next time. I'm not trying to point out the obvious, but here is where reading before you sprout your seeds comes in very handy.

Repotting is not as tough as you make it out to be. Support the main stem, upend the pot, whack the bottom really hard with your palm, and the whole thing should slide right out. It's even easier if you let the soil get a little dry first - it shrinks.

[sublimebudsmoker]

apparently you havent had well rooted plants have you? because if you had you wouldnt be sitting there saying repotting isnt hard you know when you let it grow then put more and more soil into the pot so the root grows from the bottom of the pot to the top of it, another thing if you notice my join date doesnt really give me all that much time to grow big plants like that so even if i have read before this it wouldnt have really helped that much....next time try to be a little nicer maybe more people will actually like you better

[stinkyattic]

Repotting is not hard at all when you have a good growing technique.

Believe me I have had well rooted plants.

I let them get just a little rootbound on purpose so that the dirt ball does not break up during transplant. It comes out as a solid mass of roots.

you are not supposed to keep adding soil to the pot. You should not bury your plant deeper than the node at which it originally sprouted its cotyledons.

I'll post root ball pics tomorrow after I get my camera battery charged. You may or may not wish to look at them however as I am a mean person and if you follow my growing advice, your plants will taste bitter and the high will be unpleasant.

I'm sorry you don't like me. But it's not going to ruin my week.

[sublimebudsmoker]

sure if i dont listen to you my shit will taste bitter...just look at how poor they look, man i dont know how i made it along without you...i dont think that yoiu understand what i was saying about back filling of soil but oh well youre supposed to know everything

[stinkyattic]

Here's a root ball pic- notice how the roots actually hold the soil together as you repot? This is a pretty good stage to transplant at, close to rootbound but not quite there yet.

Backfilling... can you explain what you meant?

[cazro]

listen to stinky and stfu. Don't come on here and ask for help when you're just going to insult the experience of those who try to help. Sorry if stinky was being frank and telling you the truth about this whole situation, grow up, and be grateful for the help.

[sublimebudsmoker]

sorry but who asked you anything?

[cazro]

Good job, I'm going to add that one to my book of awesome come-backs.

I guess I don't like ungrateful little asshat kids asking for help. Are you 15?

[stinkyattic]

sublimebudsmoker are you the same person as this guy? And that other kid from last month?
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-lounge/115695-grow-lights.html#post1453300

[sublimebudsmoker]

for your info im not 15 im 21 and no im not that other person i just dont like people being little smart asses thats all

[stinkyattic]

i just dont like people being little smart asses thats all
I'll bet the little smart asses would worship you as their messiah.

[GunBarrel]

30 - 45 mins to get a plant out of a pot?
That must be some kinda record?

:)

[The Green Reaper]

You started growing because gas is so expensive? Whats it cost you an extra 20-30$ per month? lol. I guess that adds up when your working for wendys.

I dont understand how its even possible to kill a decent sized plant transplanting. I used to be super careful but seriously I think you could probably just stick your hand down in the soil rip the roots right out leaving a small rootball and despite this harsh transplant the plant would likely still live lol. Ive accidently broke the main stem, taped it up and the plant bounced right back. It is difficult to kill a cannabis plant in my experience.

The method stinky shows in his pic is the best and easiest way. Drop the attitude and you will get much better responses.

Good Luck!

[sublimebudsmoker]

i didnt have an attitude till stinky was being a bitch towards me, i was just here looking for advice and here he jumps up my ass like i was the new fish and he was bubba

[The Green Reaper]

i didnt have an attitude till stinky was being a bitch towards me, i was just here looking for advice and here he jumps up my ass like i was the new fish and he was bubba

Chill dude. No reason to get mad its just the internet.

Good luck on your grow!

[stinkyattic]

Seriously kid, go back through all your posts and see how much help I have given you.
Click on your username and go into find all posts by sublimebudsmoker...
I MUST be a bitch for spending all that time trying to help out. I'm such a bitch that now I am going to go home and beat my dog and throw roundup on my neighbor's lawn.
Your first 'and tell me how am I supposed to do that?' post was pretty polite there big guy... I was being very nice up until you decided to snap at me.

Oh and btw... I'm a chick.
*yawn* this thread REALLY needs to die.

[sublimebudsmoker]

i was just asking since there was 6 plants and there was roots about half an inch under the soil that went all the way down to the bottom, i didnt mean to sound like i snapped or anything i was just asking..

[r00tdoctor]

Stinky's correct transplanting is very easy to do. I do it wet instead of dry like she does (I think they slip out the containers better wet) But if those roots are a lil bound they sip out so quick it only takes literally seconds to do a transplant. Hell I recently transplanted my 5+ foot tall plants out of 5 gallon containers into 15gallon ones. Now thats a heavy lifting job. Stinky's got alot of growing knowledge you should be grateful that she took the time to try and offer a little advice / help.

[sublimebudsmoker]

i know but my problem with the transplant was the dirt was a lil compacted it was wet tho but it was compacted...i didnt say that she didnt give me any advice/help it was just a misunderstanding thats all

[stinkyattic]

Try letting it dry out more next time if you are having problems becuase it WILL shrink a little.

Sliding a long thin spatula- like the sort used for frosting a cake- around the inside of the pot might help too, but kind of a last resort. A few good hard slaps on the bottom of the pot is usually all you need. This plant can take some serious abuse.

Oh those pics- the one with the bike in the background is a coco pic and the other is 1/3 perlite 2/3 cow shit compost- buds grown in shit taste like candy, wtf!

[sublimebudsmoker]

you wouldnt have thought that about the cow shit...stinky sorry for being an ass...i tried beatin the bottom of it but it wouldnt give, i did try sliding a butter knife around the edge, what got it out at the end was sliding the butter knife around the side while tapping it on the bottom(damn that sounds dirty)

[stinkyattic]

Most problems in life can be solved with enough lubricant and a hard enough smack on the bottom.

[The Green Reaper]

:1baa::asskick:::kisslove:

[cazro]

:1baa::asskick:::kisslove:

so true

[sublimebudsmoker]

now if all the problems could be solved like that i think itd be a better place..but anyways do you think i went too big(its like a 42.5qt tote i think) or could you ever go to big?

[stinkyattic]

too big, well yeah you can but all that means is that the plant will grow LOTS of roots... a gallon per foot of main stem is ideal. If you have multiple main stems figure that into it too. A plant pruned young to 4 leaders is going to need more space than a plant the same HEIGHT with only 1 stem. First grows are for experimentation anyway.

[sublimebudsmoker]

well this is my first indoor grow so im still learning but to me its looking good and smelling good...now for the molasses could i do that up till harvesting

[PharmaCan]

Stinky's correct transplanting is very easy to do. I do it wet instead of dry like she does (I think they slip out the containers better wet) But if those roots are a lil bound they sip out so quick it only takes literally seconds to do a transplant. Hell I recently transplanted my 5+ foot tall plants out of 5 gallon containers into 15gallon ones. Now thats a heavy lifting job. Stinky's got alot of growing knowledge you should be grateful that she took the time to try and offer a little advice / help.

What are you growing - mj trees?

[stinkyattic]

yeah molasses you can use right to the bitter end, but theres not much point, since there will still be sugar residue in the soil. read up on flushing befor harvest too.

[sublimebudsmoker]

so should i try that next grow?

[stinkyattic]

why wait?

[sublimebudsmoker]

i dont know?

[sublimebudsmoker]

where would i find info on flushing soil? is it just watering?

[stinkyattic]

lol this thread is too funny, it just rambles along doing its thing....

go ahead and molasses-ize any time, even in veg it doesn't hurt, =CARBON SOURCE= plant mass. Look up the term 'brix' if yer bored; it's a measure of sugar content in a plant and an indicator of health. I give my vegging plants molasses maybe once or twice during the veg cycle for shits n giggles and because i get molasses so cheap at the 'used food' [crash n dent] store.

Flsuhing is more like rinsing than watering. I mean, you pour water into the pot, but not for the benefit of the plant as much as to condition the soil- well durr that benefits the plant of course but you know- there's a Zandor sticky on flushing somewhere around here but the basic things to remember when flushing are:
-use about 3 gallons water for each gallon of dirt, pour it through slowly so you don't splash dirt all over
-water should be at room temperature about, and with a pH that is correct. Now, I'm growing in buffered compost so I don't check my pH, also because I know my tap water is STABLE at 7 and my soil is lower.
-after flushing, water with your fertilizer at ~1/4-1/2 strength to re-condition the dirt

Tahts it, it's simple. Now that's also why you should use a lot of soil lightener, because it makes flushing easier and less stressful to the plant.

[twoguysupnorth]

LOL, good one stinky. a little smack on the bottom and some lubricant. 2boys and 2 girls for me, i killed the males today, but saved some flowers in a paper bag for seeding. i used the very last of my seeds this yr and kept(still am) my fingers crossed that something good will come out of it. when this grow is over or i get a cam cord i will post pics. ive been taking pics along the way. later and good luck.

[sublimebudsmoker]

you wouldnt happen to know how many gallons are in 42.5 qts?

[hempplaya]

it'd be about 10.5 gallons...4 quarts = ~1 gallon

[.:Karma:. o.O]

yea man id start 12/12 if i was you...and really nice plants man...mine was about 2 times the size my first grow because i didnt know it had to have 12/12 and i left the lights on 24/7...and you have a good light there man 7 hands...good grow...and post pikz after it matures a bit more and gets some bud...

[sublimebudsmoker]

ummm i made a lil mistake but its not too big the tote i got em in is 45 instead of 42.5 but theres no biggie....thanks, their my pride and joy. ive been smelling the biggest one and damn im wanting to cut it down and roll all of it into a paper and get blazed, but all things good come in time..i doubled up on the light instead of having just one up i got two

[sublimebudsmoker]

so to flush my dirt i need 11 gallons? wouldnt that over water it and kill it? just asking

[twoguysupnorth]

you have to have drainage holes in the bottom for sure. then put it in your tub and water it slowly untill water comes out the bottom, then let it sit for a while and do it again, as many time as you need to. it wont over water it unless you dont have drainage. i did this to mine when i over fertilized then made a weeker solution of ferts and fed it after a couple of days.

[sublimebudsmoker]

oh ok...what if you dont have drainage holes?

[Weedhound]

If you don't have drainage holes you need to make some in there quick as you can. Without the ability for the roots to get some air to them by draining out the water the roots can suffocate from being too wet which will cause root rot. Do you have a drill you can use?

[sublimebudsmoker]

yeah i do i was just wondering

[sublimebudsmoker]

i was wondering something else...i know your not supposed to use incandescent if thats how you spell it...but would it do any good to use softwhite bulbs?

[cazro]

no matter what incandescent bulb you have, it still produces a lot of bad heat, and you don't get as many lumens per watt as you would with a compact fluorescent bulb.

[sublimebudsmoker]

well i dont really have a problem with heat at the moment though so should that still be a problem? i dont mean to sound like a smart ass but my crop is still looking great though heres a recent pic....if its blurry sorry

[twoguysupnorth]

if i had a choice i wouldnt use the incadecent lights, i wouldnt even try. you can get better.

[sublimebudsmoker]

well i didnt have a choice i just used what was on hand and so far its doing good i mean its just bag seed

[cazro]

true but if you do decide to invest any money, the first thing I would put my money into, would be lights.

[stinkyattic]

#1=lights
#2=air cooled hood
trust me on that one!!!!

[freewheelinfrank]

sure if i dont listen to you my shit will taste bitter...just look at how poor they look, man i dont know how i made it along without you...i dont think that yoiu understand what i was saying about back filling of soil but oh well youre supposed to know everything

if there is any misunderstanding , it is on YOUR part, smartass - Stinky is trying to help you, you should pay close attention to her - re-potting is a simple as anything you will ever do with plants - if you can't re-pot a plant without killing it, you should NOT be trying to grow a simple weed, it is obviously beyond your capabilities - :smokin:

[cazro]

if there is any misunderstanding , it is on YOUR part, smartass - Stinky is trying to help you, you should pay close attention to her - re-potting is a simple as anything you will ever do with plants - if you can't re-pot a plant without killing it, you should NOT be trying to grow a simple weed, it is obviously beyond your capabilities - :smokin:

lol dude, we're already past that, no need to keep beating him about it.

[freewheelinfrank]

sorry - Stinky has a lot more patience with assholes than I do - :smokin:

[sublimebudsmoker]

what assholes? the only asshole here is you sorry to say that but the shit with me and stinky is in the past too bad that you cant understand that.....i know i need to invest more money into my growing but right now in my life i dont really have the money it takes when im trying to pay off a fine thats close to 4 grand just to stay out of jail, this what im growing is just regular bag seed that i liked so if i dont have that much at the end i dont really mind, like youve said i think. first grow=exprince(dont know if i spelled that right been out in the sun too long today)

[sublimebudsmoker]

I got the molasses, and I need to know how much I should mix in with a gallon of water? Is unsulphured golden molasses okay to use?

[The Green Reaper]

WOW looking amazingly good for incandesants. Usually they just stretch to shit. I suggest you look into getting some floros to finish up your grow. You can get a nice setup for 60-200$.

[sublimebudsmoker]

thanks, theres a nice sticky bud forming on the top and damn it looks good....anyone care to answer about the molasses? would it hurt if i mixed a little into a spray bottle and sprayed some on the bud/plant itself?

[sublimebudsmoker]

well if you start out with it close enough but not too close so it burns and you start out with the right bulb, i started with a grow light bulb that i bought at the trusty wal-mart well that burned out and i switched to regular light bulbs, but you can see that it aint doing too bad for bag seed, but i wouldnt grow bubblegum under it

[hempplaya]

spraying stuff on the plant itself with cause burn spots. not sure of this but it may stress the plant from that?

and i thought molasses is one of those things you use in like the 2nd to last watering?

[sublimebudsmoker]

stinky said that you could use molasses up till harvesting, some plants can take water in through their leaves though, ive been watering them like that as well as with watering the soil and you can look back and see the pics of my plants, the most recent one is just the other day...dont mean to sound like a smart-ass

[stinkyattic]

plants are not going to take in molasses through their leaves; you'll just get them all gummy and nasty and possibly clog the stomata= bad idea.
use molasses whenever you feel like pretty much. I give it once a week all the way through flower, about a tbsp or so per gallon.

foliar feeding is for correcting deficiencies without overloading the soil most of the time. like if you are locked out but shitty soil conditions, the plant may benefit from a foliar feed with like spray-n-grow for example, depending on your def symptoms.

[twoguysupnorth]

once you start flowering you shouldnt foiliar spray, it could cause mold in the later stages. ive never heard of using molasses in a spray. there is a section in organic gardening by bluebear on molasses (3lbs) or something. any thing ive read says to disolve a tablespoon per gallon but ive been using 2 tablespoons per gal. blackstrap molasses are supposed to be better, but im sure the unsulphered will work fine. and it should be ok to use them untill just before harvest.

[sublimebudsmoker]

yeah molasses you can use right to the bitter end, but theres not much point, since there will still be sugar residue in the soil. read up on flushing befor harvest too.

i didnt know rather i should or not but she seems to know what shes talking about, i only spray them once in a while but it seems to be helping them, i do keep an eye on it. i knew that it was something like that. i didnt know exactly what the measurement was with the molasses

[stinkyattic]

I foliar feed until bud mass forms, so up to week 3 of flower

[sublimebudsmoker]

ok see i didnt know this guess i should have asked earlier, but im safe right i started 12-12 on the 26

[sublimebudsmoker]

you wouldnt happen to have a pic of what it looks like in week 3?

[twoguysupnorth]

here is a pic at 2 wks. not the best pic though.

[sublimebudsmoker]

for some reason my plants died all but one it really sucks because the tallest one, the one that had the red streaks on it was just starting to get that bud on top

[The Green Reaper]

for some reason my plants died all but one it really sucks because the tallest one, the one that had the red streaks on it was just starting to get that bud on top

How did they die?

[sublimebudsmoker]

i dont really know that one, but i do know i went to sleep one night they were all fine then the next morning i woke up one was limp it wasnt standing like it was the night before then one by one till the last little one thats left

[cazro]

You might have just over-watered it.

[sublimebudsmoker]

i just water every other day or so but not more then that

[sublimebudsmoker]

i found the problem after i posted, we were having a huge heat wave and over night my room wasnt cooling down like it should have and it got too hot in there..it sucked ass because one of my plants was just starting to bud out....so i took it down(the second one that died) picked the bud dried it out put it in a mason jar for about a business week(5 days) put it in my one hitter and it tasted really good, didnt get too much since it was just a little bud, but just last week i re-uped and got some better seeds(a whole body high)