LowRyder2 ~ HPS & LED

[dav zap]

For the standard reasons I wanted to try LowRyder2, since it has been reviewed as improved over the original. Also because I thought that a dwarf plant would be just the kind of pot plant that I needed for successful growth with the nature of LED grow lights being the way they are. It is now mid-course for these plants. The LED is about 5 weeks and the HPS is about 3.5 weeks. The HPS is a good standard growth of the plant and is well into starting buds. One female and one male, I thought that I'd try and get seeds. I've never had a seed crop before, so if anyone can offer constructuve comment, please do so by all means.


:rasta:

[dav zap]

The plants in HPS are more mature than the two week older plant in LED. Because of the slow development of bud in LED, as a rash measure I'm switching the time to 12/12 and have introduced a halogen bulb (60w) for more spectrum. See if these steps will prod the plants system. Any comments are welcome, of course.:beatdeadhorse:
P.S. ~ Edit: Also added the UV-B lamp. (20w CFL.)

[keeko]

looking pretty good, this is one of the first grows ive seen using LEDs, keep up the good work

[Earthy Dank]

So LED lights suck? How many watts are you using for each of them? And why switch lowryder to 12/12?

[dav zap]

Thanks for visiting, keeko. Something will come of it yet. eh.

[dav zap]

Greetings Earthy Dank. The reason that I switched to 12/12 is that the LEDs are not sending the needed signals to the plant to initiate bud growth. The added spectra should prod the plant into activity, I hope. The LED kit that I have is only the two frequencies, of red & blue. New LED Growlights are with Full-Spectrum, which I suspect may involve flowering.
Wattage is Red=10w, Blue=3w. The kit is 5-Reds, 2-Blues.
Oh and in high hope of success, also added is a UV-B lamp. Its a 20w CFL.
UV-B processes THC and helps trichome development.

[Markass]

Greetings Earthy Dank. The reason that I switched to 12/12 is that the LEDs are not sending the needed signals to the plant to initiate bud growth. The added spectra should prod the plant into activity, I hope. The LED kit that I have is only the two frequencies, of red & blue. New LED Growlights are with Full-Spectrum, which I suspect may involve flowering.
Wattage is Red=10w, Blue=3w. The kit is 5-Reds, 2-Blues.
Oh and in high hope of success, also added is a UV-B lamp. Its a 20w CFL.
UV-B processes THC and helps trichome development.

lowryder 2 is still completely autoflowering correct? that means that switching it to 12/12 is going to do no more to induce flowering than will 24 hour cycles..

[dav zap]

This plant has been raised unlike its predecessors. It has been grown with only two frequencies of light. Slightly un-natural, eh? Also the growth pattern is quite unlike the normally grown LR2, as I clearly illustrated with the two in HPS now maturing after having vegged in CFL. A typical appearing plant developed. Again the younger LR2 is more advanced sexually than the LED at the moment. So things are not the norm with the LED plant so far. Open mindedness may help.

[dav zap]

If the boy & girl LR2 are next to each other maturing at the same time, will I get seeds?

[4x5]

you will get seeds, separate them; unless that's what you want? :)

[keeko]

yea i think he was going for a seeded batch this run. Yes you will get seeds if you leave them next to eachother.

[Earthy Dank]

I would collect the pollen first then apply it to the plants so the buds won't be really really seedy.

[dav zap]

Thank-You kind people for letting me know just what I was hoping for, seeds of LowRyder2. It was meant to be I think. They are the two best plants of the pack and they grew up right next to each other. How good does it get? What a thrill if I both get stoned from this plant and to grow its seeds into other little LowRyder's is too cool. eh. Its the little things in life, sometimes. :hippy: :stoned:

[dav zap]

Its a couple days of 12/12 now and the added spectra. There is more bud development, but can't say if it was what was expected. It should accelerate a bit only is all that I expect, not much.

[dav zap]

Loaded with pollen pods

[LaidZeppelin]

isnt it really aweful fo rlight to get into the dwc bucket....isnt that just asking for root problems

[Tomthehippie]

nice grow man! il be watchin this 1!

[dav zap]

Hello LaidZeppelin. Thank-You for visiting. The only logical thing about light in the root zone is the possibility of getting algae. Other than that I do not think roots are light sensitive. Do you?

[invision]

roots are very light sensitive and the reason why they are not growing faster, cover the tub and in a week youll see a diffrence

[postmandave]

intresting thread man. ive saw a few lowrider grows with led lights well done mate.the postman.

[dav zap]

Hey man thanks for visiting. Hopefully there will be buds soon.

[kebab]

I can´t wait here :D

What kit did you buy, and how much was it?

[dav zap]

Suggest Full-Spectrum unit. I haven't got quite a normal bud yet. The best I've had was smallish buds. Potent but smallish. The price is about $115. ea. Blue is smaller so it costs about $60. Red is also 115.

Why is your name kebab? Do you eat kebab? They're good.

[dav zap]

Thanks for visiting. Hope to end with some buds.

[dav zap]

I liked your "first grow" a lot. I went to Google and was unable to come up with any statement pro or con re: Light sensitive roots. This grow the plant has grown rapidly and tall with light on the roots. (slight light) In the past I've covered it cause of audience requests at uk420.com, no better results. And I met another guy who lets light hit and he has fabulous roots. I don't think it matters much.

[faithlessxxx]

Its well known that the roots dont like light.

[dav zap]

Just as certain as you are that roots don't like light, I say with equal certainty that light does not bother roots and if you know how to look it up, try it. faithlessxxx do you know how to Google? Look! If you are so sure, try to prove it. A prof once said to never call it "obvious".

[Tomthehippie]

whats the over all wattage of your led system? :)

[faithlessxxx]

Settle down zap, ;)
To me it seems quite likely that those tender white fingers are sensitive to light, they're almost albino and meant to be deep in the ground.
I might be wrong, but it is generally accepted, and I think it makes sense until its proven otherwise.

Try this:
Endogenous ABA in Growing Maize Roots: Light Effects (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1055891)

[Tomthehippie]

Sorry zap HID light with out dought can damage roots. :) But your doing great regardless! :D

[dav zap]

You guys are so terribly ingratiating that i feel I should comply; so I'll cover the roots now. Lets see if it helps. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. ok. and I thank you for the hospitality, seriously.

[Earthy Dank]

Roots are light sensitive... When I leave root exposed too long they turn brown.

[dav zap]

Tomthehippie, I really do not normally adapt to computer spelling. But to attempt an answer to your clear question, wattage? Red units @ 10w ea. X 5 units=50w Plus Blue @ 3w ea X 2 units=6w. Grand Total 56w of LED.

[Tomthehippie]

Excuse my puter text man.. its not that bad is it?? lol were not wanting you to comply with us in anyway.. your grow your rules.. it was more of a fact than a suggestion. :)

Gotta say man, im really interested in these leds - there def the way ford for indoor growing. your power bill is going to be so much cheaper, lets see how the yield does! :)

[dav zap]

Here is the LED LR2 now. It is behind schedule, but it is progressing slowly.:rasta:
NOTE: The rez is now darkened out. Black vinyl stylishly covers the rez.:pimp:

[hydrocannabis]

ok so its flowering now. AAAAAAAA well thats good.
ok then I'll be watching this one. cuz I wanna get some LR@ for me to grow in MY DWC.

[dav zap]

Hello hydrocannabis. I like you just from your name. We have something in common, eh? I also like my WaterFarms. Here is a new foto of the LR2.

[dav zap]

Hey Tom ~ I'm an old hippy, too. Here is my newest foto.

[kebab]

Suggest Full-Spectrum unit. I haven't got quite a normal bud yet. The best I've had was smallish buds. Potent but smallish. The price is about $115. ea. Blue is smaller so it costs about $60. Red is also 115.

Why is your name kebab? Do you eat kebab? They're good.


I needed a fake nick, and I happen to like kebabs a lot :D

[Tomthehippie]

waaay! :D needs a clean! :)

[dav zap]

Hey Tomthehippie man, what are you doing with that real computer? There is no room for a plant, man. Wuzzup with that? Did I tell you that I'm an olde hippy? :rasta:

[hydrocannabis]

yah I love hydroponic growing. its cleaner and grows your plants faster.

[dav zap]

OK Man we both agree about DWC ~ it is a good and easy success grow technique. Throwing away the dirt and flushing the pots used to be a pain in the ass, eh. The first comparison grow that I saw of soil vs hydro sold me right away. Thank god at the time I had enough money to equip myself. Even had CO2. A 20 and a smaller tank. a handtruck to carry the tanks. I don't use it anymore. It was nice though. Its a kick to use it and see the plants immediate reaction. Speaking of reaction, the LR2 in HPS is doing smashingly well. Good sized buds. Very healthy and strong plant. Should provide as well as it can. :pimp: :rasta: :hippy:

[hydrocannabis]

thats grat. I can't wate to see the UR LR@ bud at the end.:D

[dav zap]

Fotos to illustrate profuse bud sites on LR2 HPS 400w. age 1 month.

[Tomthehippie]

looking nice man!

[Earthy Dank]

Those look great! How many do you have? Can you clone a autoflowering strain? If not then do you have to keep males and make seeds?

[Tomthehippie]

Hey man! nah u cant clone an auto flowering strains cus its always in flower - 100% pointless :)

[dav zap]

I just have to say what a super grow room you crafted Tom! It is a knock-out. Must be nice. Thank-You for visiting my humble thread. But I do love to grow! To me its a dream to have a room insted of a closet. Its better than naught. I enjoy the heck out of it.

[Tomthehippie]

Hey man! thanks! :D gotta say man your grow isnt half bad. Iv currently got a batch of low ryder 2 seeds on the go. if you've got any tips id love to know! :)

[twocamaros]

Auto Flowers Represent!

[dav zap]

Has anyone tried the other AutoFlowering strains?

[kebab]

How are the led-lamps working there for you?

I´m thinking about buying some myself.

[dav zap]

Funny you should ask. At this point I have reservation to my enthusiasm. They are missing a little something. I suspect that the Full Spectrum model now produced by the company may hit the mark better than all red & blue only. Its almost good. At this point. My 2 cents. Good Luck and Cheers.

[dav zap]

The LED is an older plant but it is behind in production of buds. The HPS plant is doing normal rapid MJ growth.

[4x5]

The LED is an older plant but it is behind in production of buds. The HPS plant is doing normal rapid MJ growth.
Prolly b/c the LED plant is too busy at the club trying to pick up men(looks like a still photo taken at a nightclub, She's even showing her boobies look! jk :stoned:); instead of staying home being horny like your other plant!

[dav zap]

Woe is me. My plants have rebelled against their ever-caring parent. You try to provide for them and what do they do but a slap in the face.Blame the disco environment. Good-ness. Well then. I just don't know.

[Sk8orDie]

I noticed the thermometer in the picture's reading 62 in the picture of the plant being grown under the LEDs. I'm assuming the HPS is keeping the other plant warmer. I know low temps can slow growth. Might help explain why the LED plant is growing slower. Just a thought.

[Tomthehippie]

looking nice man! real healthy! :)

[dav zap]

Look again at the thermometer, I knew that sounded funny. Its 82. I wish it were that simple, I just don't know whats wrong. Thanks for trying though. Appreciate the effort.

[dav zap]

Hello man, yeah I'm real happy about the HPS LowRyder2. It seems just a perfectly good plant. I deserve a break once in a while. eh. Good Luck to you too.

[dav zap]

Some fotos. From today.

[dav zap]

Textbook perfect plant specimen. I'm chuffed as the English say about their success. Gods of cannabis marijuana smile. Lots of budding up and down the branches.

[Tomthehippie]

it looks like the LED's are just lacking the wattige they need! the hps just kicks out so much more light! :)

[dav zap]

If you think its lacking output, then SCROG would help. Or buying more LEDs would help, if Full-Spectrum. If a significant increase is needed, then a doubling of the lights would be the standard course. Anything less is petty. I'm in no financial position to double the units. Although they have increased their output so I don't need twice the units. But an increase no doubt.

[evertking]

is that one of those "grow bars" i seen in hightimes say it equals a 250 light?


disco bud

[dav zap]

No these are LEDGrowlights.com and this is how its going. Those light bars are a little fraction of what I've got so they are pure rip.

[dav zap]

Well the concensus of opinion which I am going along with; is that there is not enough horsepower in this LED kit I have collected here. Close but no cigar. At least double this is needed to produce decent amount of good bud. IMHO
The second foto is the 400w HPS LowRyder2 age almost two months. The little pubic hairs are turning brown already.

[Anaconda64sq]

I would like to hear the answer as well. Those water leaf stems are wild long. Never seen them that long before .. I added leds red to my green box.. Perhaps you will see how my two grils are doing.. just about 3 weeks into 12/12:hippy:

[cazro]

for the number of LED lights you're using, it seems like you'd save money and get better results from just using an HPS light.

[kebab]

I´m really sad the led´s aren´t doing theyr job. seems like you have used a lot of money on the led´s as well.. thats to bad.

Anyone know of a successful led-growth?

[dav zap]

Hello and I'm sorry to say that I do not have a scale. I must admit that the HPS LR2 looks a little better thanj it is in reality. Small lite little buds on a lot of the plant. The center is good. And a couple branches were pretty good, but it isn't a giant yielder. Decent for a quickie.

[dav zap]

Your buds seem to be coming along well, eh. Fotos could be clearer. Did you put a magnifying glass in there?

[dav zap]

An HPS is cheaper to buy but not to operate, that is expensive. Thats why i went to the LEDs, to avoid using more electricity.

[dav zap]

It was partial success, I'd like to say kebab. We did get some dense buds. Just not enough. More intensity was needed.

[weedmaster]

it's good to see growers trying differant techniques. the very best of luck with all your growing dav, it's perfectly clear that you are enjoying it :thumbsup:

[dav zap]

Hey man I just went on the link you left and good luck to you with your grow. I got a few grams of cleaned buds from my LED LowRyder2 grow. I'm glad that I did it although i wish the harvest were better. Do you think Paris Hilton smokes herb?

[dav zap]

Here is my stash from the LED grow. No scale so I don't know the weight. A few grams is all. I guess.

[Tomthehippie]

cool man! il have to post some pics of my lr2 soon.. :)

[TheGreenFog]

Dav Zap, I'm dissapointed with the yield, but I can't say I'm surprised. I think the technology is not tweaked enough to get the right intensity overall. I commend you for taking the time and effort to do the experiment, though. I enjoyed watching. Good log. Thanks. Maybe someone else will use this info and come up with a better solution. I had thought about stringing the lights on the plant like a Christmas tree to get them close.

Let us know how it smokes. :smokin:


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[PrisonerInGlass]

I'd say the stash from the LED grow is a little more than a few grams.. unless my eyes are deceiving me really badly.

[kebab]

ey dav_zap!
eBay: 900 LED Grow Light panels R/B FULL growing lights 4 Pk. (item 290129789081 end time Jun-23-07 12:51:45 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290129789081&rd=1&rd=1)

Think thisone will do for a couple of plants? ^^

[khronik]

it looks like those panels are about equivalent to 100 watts of HPS lighting each.

You can also check out their web site here:

LED Grow Lights Gro-Tek GroTec HID Hydroponic light Fluorescent Growing Metal halide MH growing indoors Ultraviolet Infrared light emitting diodes (http://www.gro-tek.com/SALES.html)

[dav zap]

Hello to you Tomthehippie. Your LR2 is prolly going to be good. The way that you do things. Like to see yours.

[dav zap]

You know what it seemed to me is that there isn't enough intensity to the LEDs. I had them almost covering the plant and that wasn't enough. I think that I only had half enough.

[dav zap]

Hey man, I don't really know if there was more than a few grams form the LEDs. But I do know that it was high quality stone material.

[dav zap]

in my kit is about 900 LEDs and I think it is half what it ought to be. Thats my estimation, kebab. best wishes to you though man. i hope that you hit a home run.

[dav zap]

Hey man how are you today, nice to see you. That link has the shit, eh. Way to go dude.

[dav zap]

Did I mention my pride & joy purchase from last year? The SPERTI SunTan Lamp UV-B source extraordinaire. Builds Trichomes and THC. 800w 30% UV-B.

[palerider7777]

nice thread first off! and by reading this it makes me wonder what the outcome would be if u mixed the 2 say those 4 panels say lining the walls and a nice mh/hps above?also u say u had around 900 leds on that one plant and from the looks of it made it through on it's last leg just wandering if a combo of the 2 would be in order?? anyways nice try

[Tomthehippie]

Hello to you Tomthehippie. Your LR2 is prolly going to be good. The way that you do things. Like to see yours.

Hey man! nah i havenâ??t really been paying attention to my lowryder! but any how il get those pics up in a few days!

[Tomthehippie]

Some of my lowryder 2. Theyâ??ve been slightly neglected as iv been busy but there you go! Theyâ??ve got bout week and a half left. :)

[gainesvillegreen]

HEY DAV ZAP IM FROM TEXAS IVE BEEN SERCHING EVERY WHERE FOR SOME L2 SEEDS ? HOW CAN I GET SOME FROM YOU OR DIRECT ME TO THE PLACE WERE YOU GOT THEM FROM I SURE WILL APPRECIATE IT.

Asking for seeds is against the forum rules and this thread was 8 months old before you posted.

You say you searched everywhere? Google found me "about 36,300 for lowryder 2 seeds" G-g-g-g-goooooogle my friend: lowryder 2 seeds (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=lowryder+2+seeds&btnG=Search)

[denial102]

Asking for seeds is against the forum rules and this thread was 8 months old before you posted.

You say you searched everywhere? Google found me "about 36,300 for lowryder 2 seeds" G-g-g-g-goooooogle my friend: lowryder 2 seeds (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=lowryder+2+seeds&btnG=Search)

and this thread is jun 2k7!

Peace,
denial