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orangeman

04-07-2007, 11:34 PM

Ok..I don't plan to update this daily or all the time like most others do. I'll post pics every time there is a noticeable difference or when I need help. This is just a simple log to show others how my progress is coming along and for me to ask people questions that I come across that I can't seem to fix and basically just to have fun and experiment. I didn't really want to start a log with seedlings because I've had them so many times but now they are actually getting some where so I thought it might be fun to have a little log.

I don't know the strain of these plants and I'm not even sure if all 3 plants are from the same bud. I have so many seeds and I just picked out 3 and germinated them. I liked everything I smoked so what ever it is I know it'll be good in the end.

I'm using a 250w EconoMini Enclosed Ballast with a 270 watt SonAgro Bulb that's suppose to increase the lumens to 29,500. I also heard these things give a little bit of both sides of the spectrum but the light seems just as red as any other HPS bulb I've seen on. Lights come on at 9 pm and go off at 2 pm the next day. The reason the pics doesn't make it seem like the light is on is because I used a different color mode so the pics wouldn't appear as red. Plants are way more green than they look in pics. They have been growing for about 12 days now. The fastest growing one is in the the first pic. The one that seems to have the most slow growth and is the one in 3rd pic. I have them in a soiless mix so I wouldn't have to worry about any possible burns. I don't know how far the lights are but I plan on getting something to cool the bulb off down the line because the light doesn't seem to be able to get too close to the plants without them becoming uncomfortable. I want to get the Glass Lens and the Air Cool Flange for the thing but I'm not even sure what they are lol. I have an idea about the air cool flange but I don't even know what that glass lens is.. I'm getting a pH meter and a carbon filter probably sometime this week or next week and a 30x microscope to observe trichomes later on (hopefully I'll get all females haha). I still don't even know if the carbon filter will work like it should or if it will get rid of the odor from in that location. I pray hard that it gets rid of the odor when it comes and that only the grow room smells if anything has to smell.

I was so worried when I transplanted them to actual pots, they were in pop cans and shot cups. I thought they would be dead when I checked on them in the morning. Some one told me to transplant them when they were dry, actually it was easier to get the things out when it was watered. I transplanted 2 when dry and one after I watered it. Sorta funny how the only one I watered which was also the easiest to transplant is growing the fastest. I guess they hadn't developed enough roots for me to get it out when it was dry. In fact the only root in their homes was the taproot lol. But the roots were showing and the dirt was falling off a lot and I knew they would be dead. Actually they were fine in the morning after the transplant.

I want to LST them now but I was told they look too young so I'm gonna wait until next Saturday and see how they look. So here they are now and I'll probably have more pics up on Monday or Tuesday.

budsmoker only

04-07-2007, 11:50 PM

nice dude, good luck with your plants, hope for the best...

Matt the Funk

04-08-2007, 12:01 AM

Looking good man.

Markass

04-08-2007, 06:47 AM

good luck :thumbsup:

mfqr

04-08-2007, 07:50 AM

It's about time you started to grow, orangeman!

Shovelhandle

04-08-2007, 01:12 PM

Good on you, O-man!

I might suggest one update a week and try and include one or two details as to nutes, lighting specs, visual changes, etc. in each post. That would make the completed log a reasonable 3 pages including feedback posts. Also, weekly images allow us all to compare developement of our grows.

Good Luck, Bub!

Shov

orangeman

04-08-2007, 05:36 PM

Yah I'll probably end up doing that Shovel :). And thanks for all the replies. I'm really excited to what will come of this :D.

KL4D4

04-08-2007, 05:51 PM

:0 the next generation begins, it'll be interesting to see how 250w works out!

orangeman

04-08-2007, 10:44 PM

Well my favorite plant is starting to look more like a marijuana plant and looks very healthy. The other ones doesn't seem to be suffering from anything but the leaves look a bit wrinkly (lol) in some areas. I see that when I finally get a better set-up I might have to section off what ever room I use so I have a veg room and flowering room because I know the smallest one (which is also the one progressing the slowest) is probably not going to be ready like the other two are when it's time for them to flower. Hopefully in the future it catches up on the growth and I can flower them all at once. I'll have more pics up tomorrow if not Tuesday :).

orangeman

04-09-2007, 03:01 PM

Said I would have pics Monday or Tuesday. I think I'll post some up today. Mainly because I think I'm starting to notice just a little yellow spot on my leaf. Yeah it might be one yellow spot now but I can take precaution to make sure I don't end up with the whole thing being hurt. It's be growing for 14 days now and like I said before it's in a soiless mix so there is no nutrients in it. I don't know if this could be a pH thing or what because I don't have a meter yet, that thing better hurry up. But also the leaves are wrinkling. I stopped being so concerned though when I realized those leaves probably weren't gonna be worth anything when my plants are flowering anyways lol. But if I get close enough to the 2nd plant I can honestly smell a plant type stink lol. It doesn't smell like buds or anything, just smells like dry hot back yard where a bunch of unwanted weeds grow. The other two doesn't have any scent. I usually turn the fan on and leave the door open for about 1 hour a day for some fresh air and a nice breeze. I was wondering when should I be thinking about LSTing these things because they are growing more and more :).

Oh btw I finally got a tape measurer or w/e and the plants are 1' 22'' away from light. The light distance is fine though I think lol, it's not very hot so I figure it's alright.

xcrispi

04-09-2007, 05:12 PM

Lil yellow spot looks like a water spot on it to me ?
Just make sure you get no drops on leaves esp. once your giving them nutes . Looks cool O.M . Good luck .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

orangeman

04-09-2007, 05:26 PM

Actually a lot of water got on my leaves last night lol. I tried to brush it off and stuff :-/ hope it's alright. Anyways yeah thanks for stoppin by xcrispi! :D

orangeman

04-10-2007, 10:14 PM

So I finally got the filter. Only problem is I don't want to hang it up. If I have to I will but I was wondering if it was possible for it to operate right by being on the floor? What I want to do is keep it on the floor how it is and have the ducting filter the air to some where else...would it work just as good on the floor as it would if it was hung up on the ceiling? So I'm guessing the air is being sucked through the filter by the fan and being put out the room by the ducting. Some one please reply because I really need to know what I'm able to do :).

orangeman

04-12-2007, 01:37 AM

I wanted to post some pics of the growth of the stems and stuff because I was wondering, judging from the pics when do you guys think they'll be ready to tie down? Btw once again in case you didn't know those first two are different plants lol. I need to get some soil labels so I can name em :p.

jamesbrookes

04-12-2007, 02:20 AM

how old are they so far?

orangeman

04-12-2007, 03:04 AM

how old are they so far?

2 weeks and 2 days old.

invision

04-12-2007, 03:12 AM

nah not yet man, wait another 4-5 days and see how much bigger they get than you can start the tie down, fill the pots with soil to the very top as roots need as much room as you can get, somehow gets more dirt in there soon.

dont use any nutes until week 3, go read a grow bible man they are awesome to read while taking a shit.

orangeman

04-12-2007, 03:17 AM

Actually I might be transplanting them again. Little small small roots are just a bit noticeable at the bottom. No they aren't root bound I don't believe, and I am some one that worries a lot so if I'm not worrying then you all should know they aren't showing enough to panic lol. I'm just saying if roots get any longer and come out of all the holes I'm gonna transplant them.. only when that happens. If they can say in the home they're in and stay comfortable then there won't be a need. But about that soil thing I will try and fill it up to the top if I have room. If not then it'll have to stay how it is because I'm not puttin dirt over those embryo leaves.

blank_21

04-13-2007, 04:43 PM

Wow you have almost 9000 posts and you havnt even grown before?

orangeman

04-13-2007, 05:01 PM

I'm growin now ain't I? :wtf: It's not the post count that matters, I just love Cannabis. It's my way of life so yes I have spent a lot of time on here. Doesn't mean my post count determines if I have grown or not lol.

orangeman

04-13-2007, 05:55 PM

Transplanted two today. God if there's one thing Orangeman sucks at it's transplanting. Roots got fucked up, not the main root but all the ones going off every which a way got messed up and I punched a wall, fucked up my knuckles from anger and kicked a door. I went mad..I hope my plant makes it :wtf:. One plant seemed to take the transplant well. The other one...well you can see how it fells about it from the pic. As for the one in the back nervous about it's transplant later on tonight, it's doing well. They all would've been transplanted at same time but I ran out of soil -_-...

xxxhazexxx

04-13-2007, 06:08 PM

looking good keep up the good work:thumbsup: look forwardto seeing these baby grow:stoned:

Shovelhandle

04-13-2007, 06:26 PM

just be careful transplanting. I like the soil to be a little damp when I dump out the plant and put it in the bigger vessel. I dig around the edge of the pot to loosen up the roots first.

TGIF

Shov

madeline

04-13-2007, 06:37 PM

orangeman

04-13-2007, 07:09 PM

All of those little root hairs going off all over the place ARE part of the root ball! The plants look a bit young for transplanting anyway and it is better and easier if you wait until they're rootbound or well on the way there so the ball compacts a bit and holds its shape when removed from the pot. And always keep a solution of SuperThrive handy every time you transplant. THIS is what that stuff is for.

And quit blaming the wall!

Well the thing is there were roots constantly coming out of the bottom. I gave them a good watering last night and this morning roots were actually shooting out of the holes curving actually touching the bottom of the pot. I had to transplant them. No, I didn't want to and I know they were too young but it had to be done. And anger is just ONE of the reasons why I use marijuana lol. I didn't mean to hit the wall, honestly I didn't. It was just a reaction because I was over angry at what had just happened and I thought my plant was gonna die for sure lol.

horror business

04-13-2007, 09:16 PM

For your soil, are you using any perlite? If so, that could be why the roots are growing so fast... Last year, my two week old seedling had roots coming out of an 8" pot, and they were growing more everyday... It's not a bad thing, unless you don't have bigger pots to transplant in, but root growth is important, as I'm sure you know.
So far, nice plants. When are you going to start feeding them, and with what?

orangeman

04-14-2007, 01:48 AM

I plan on taking xcrispi's advice and feed them when ever the new growth seems a bit more yellow. Also the lights turned on about 40 mins ago and I went to go check on 'em. The plant is doing good and actually it looks like the fan leaves had grown even more! I think I'm gonna experiment and just let the 3rd plant get root bound and then transplant and see how easy it is. I already knew that I should have waited until the plants had formed a root ball but even though it was only like 3 individual roots coming out of the bottom it was sorta disturbing me. And yes the plants soil has perlite in it. And the soiless mix is very soft and easy for the roots to get through so that might explain the fast growth to the bottom. I seriously hope it doesn't happen again because I don't have any more pots to put those plants in :(.

orangeman

04-14-2007, 02:05 AM

Along with some more pics. Showing how the plant recovered from the transplant :). I know I just showed pics earlier but hey. More doesn't hurt :p.

whitestalkslongwalks

04-14-2007, 02:33 AM

orangeman

04-14-2007, 03:24 AM

oh I forgot, and these are the nutes I'm using for later.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/indoor-growing/128385d1175363690-proven-nutrients-all-you-need-gh-3-part-calmag-100_2635.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/indoor-growing/128384d1175363690-proven-nutrients-all-you-need-gh-3-part-calmag-100_2636.jpg

Matt the Funk

04-14-2007, 03:36 AM

Your plants look pretty healthy to me.

orangeman

04-14-2007, 02:42 PM

One of them are starting to get a bit more of some sort of a deficiency or something. I don't know what's wrong, maybe I disturbed the roots too much or something but it's leaf is really getting brownish. If it gets any browner on the leaf I think I might try to give nutes. Monday will make 3 weeks, I think I'll start LSTing then regardless to what people recommend lol.

btw nothing is wrong with the second pic I just enjoy the nice leaf and thought I'd take a pic lol.

ate

04-14-2007, 04:08 PM

Cool. :D

Markass

04-14-2007, 09:17 PM

looking good, orangeman :)

DR_CANNABIS

04-15-2007, 04:27 PM

looks to me like its dominately indica, thats just from the look of the leaf though i could be wrong.

orangeman

04-15-2007, 07:34 PM

Yeah I think it has a lot of Indica in it too. Also with the plant I planned on transplanting yes roots are coming out of the bottom but it's not even an inch out of the bottom. I would indeed transplant the minute I saw the roots but I'm still gonna wait because it's sorta hard to judge. Last two plants had roots showing as well but obviously they weren't ready to transplant because they haven't even formed a root ball. It sucks not being able to transplant for me when I see any roots out of the bottom but I'm not risking that plant's life at all. I have a new respect for Cannabis's toughness because I could've sworn on everything the plant that suffered from the transplanting the most was gonna die, I mean I REALLY fucked that whole thing up lol. But I'm gonna wait a few more weeks before I transplant the last plant because I want to see how easy transplanting can be when those roots have a good grip on the soil.

stinkyattic

04-15-2007, 10:59 PM

Yes that's an indica leaf.
I like my plants to be a little rootbound before transplant... the ball holds together and doesn't fall apart between one pot and the next.
Good start.

orangeman

04-15-2007, 11:02 PM

Btw I want to use that carbon filter but it turns out I might be having to look for an alternative because that thing is gonna be too loud. So I'm building this (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/59316-diy-inexpensive-odour-neutraliser.html) and I was wondering if this fan which has 105 CFM would be enough to filter 3 plants?

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FreeVenice

04-15-2007, 11:07 PM

Wow, Orangman I didn't even know you had a log. I'm totally going to be watching. It looks like your going to get a damn good stone out of that sucker, good luck bro. . .

orangeman

04-16-2007, 08:10 PM

I will have pics up tomorrow. But for now all I have is a story to tell. I come in my grow room today to transplant the last plant. It goes well and I also noted a stronger smell of plant (lol) when I enter the room. Glad to at least be able to smell something. Thing is it's only coming from one plant, will explain why I said that in a few. So I go to water and get a knife and go around the sides like I was told. It didn't go to smooth, I think my prob is I have a problem bringing the pot away from the plant when it's upside down and I hold it for too long instead of moving fuckin as fast as I can. Still it went pretty good, the plant didn't seem to mind the transplant. Anyways I go to put more soil in the pot and I notice a little gnat or what ever the fuck it was on my hand, I smash it and flick it off. Then I inspect my plant and what the fuck do I find? There has been a piece bitten off my plant. I don't know if it was an ant or that fuckin' gnat I killed. I don't even know if that thing was capable of biting my plant like that. It was like a small perfect circle taken out of the side of the leave tip. It was a piece taken out of one of the fan leaves at the very tip. I am pissed now because I can't figure out what the hell did it. I don't think it's mites because there aren't any spots or specks on my leaves

And for some odd reason thats the only plant in my room that smells. The smell isn't faint, I mean you can really smell the thing. Other plants basically were untouched, no problems what so ever. But that plant that smells and seems to be taking the place of best plant in the room is being attacked by pests. I'm gonna get some bug strips and ant traps and hopefully this stops because if my plants die because of pests I might end up bug bombing that whole room 3 times a day for a whole fuckin week. I hate pests! :mad:

savagepossum

04-16-2007, 08:33 PM

hey orangeman don't you still live with your parents? or do they know about it if not i havent got anything against it.

orangeman

04-16-2007, 08:48 PM

I don't want to say too much but just know I have permission to do this. I mean look at that grow, do you actually think I'd be able to get away with all that without permission lol? :thumbsup:

edit: Also they've been growing for 3 weeks. Regardless to what anyone says, tomorrow...the LST begins :).

orangeman

04-16-2007, 09:46 PM

When I brought the plants up stairs to observe them I noticed that there was a fuckin bug on the stem right above the same leaf that got bit. I think I must've smashed it or something because it was dead. Anyways I set up 3 ant traps in the room. That'll set those fuckers straight.

FreeVenice

04-16-2007, 09:52 PM

Where the pics.

orangeman

04-16-2007, 09:59 PM

Where the pics.

Wait until tomorrow, cam is not here..I let some one borrow it :).

orangeman

04-17-2007, 11:18 PM

Ok I went down there to LST today. Nothing much to say that I already haven't. Plants are doing fine, I don't think pest has returned..probably in one of those traps dead right now lol.

Markass

04-18-2007, 04:05 AM

Ok I went down there to LST today. Nothing much to say that I already haven't. Plants are doing fine, I don't think pest has returned..probably in one of those traps dead right now lol.

Good job on the LST, you'll have branches shooting up in no time :thumbsup:

orangeman

04-18-2007, 04:11 AM

Markass

04-18-2007, 04:16 AM

Yeah I just went down and tied it down just a bit more. Not too much, just enough so it was done right. I sorta rushed at first, now it looks like I want it to. Will have pics when these things grow into the bend, one's already starting to bend upwards :).

they're gonna reach right back up to the light by your next visit into the room. With my LST, I've tied the main stem on one of mine in like four different spots...I bet it's probably a good 3 - 3 1/2 feet by now..it's a really useful method to expose light better and make use of a cramped space :thumbsup:

horror business

04-18-2007, 05:19 AM

Post pictures, as soon as there's some progress that we can all see. Good luck.

orangeman

04-18-2007, 10:08 AM

Post pictures, as soon as there's some progress that we can all see. Good luck.

Will do :).

FreeVenice

04-18-2007, 10:14 AM

KL4D4

04-18-2007, 05:20 PM

I've got a box fan on medium pointed at my 2 node baby right now... keep that sucker moving

orangeman

04-19-2007, 08:27 PM

I noticed they are still a little young, try to be as gental as possible. They are very fragle right now, and a string can top them like nothing. just be sure to bend the stems so help them gain density. . .

Bah, I stopped listening to that too young stuff, I mean they are 3 weeks old and I had to go by what I felt, they looked ready. I have seen plants LST'd earlier than mine, besides they are doing great! Love to see how they respond to this stuff. A little bit of a change from the start of the LSTing.

horror business

04-19-2007, 09:24 PM

looking nice

orangeman

04-23-2007, 08:08 PM

I don't have my cam but they are getting bigger. The new growth seems to be just a bit more yellow or more lighter of green. I might think about giving them nutes some time this week. Also I might end up starting to try and put them in 12/12 next week. Next week they will be 5 weeks old. Another week they'll be 6. In between those weeks I'm gonna set their schedule to on at 6 p.m. and off at 6 a.m. On at 6 p.m. because the day I cut them down I will start when their lights usually come on and I'll have all night to cut and trim. I know I have at least one female (I really really hope so). :jointsmile: I'll put some pics up tomorrow.

FreeVenice

04-23-2007, 08:18 PM

You don't want them a little taller before you start flowering? you should wait till some stems start popping out the nods before you put it to flower. . .

orangeman

04-23-2007, 08:24 PM

You don't want them a little taller before you start flowering? you should wait till some stems start popping out the nods before you put it to flower. . .

Actually every node has shoots coming out of them. Even the top of the plant has little young ones. Besides I said some time next week or the week after that. They will develop much more from today within in the next 2 weeks.

FreeVenice

04-23-2007, 10:33 PM

yeah your right, I just figured letting them grow like a few inches, but I don't really konw how fast your plants are growing.

horror business

04-24-2007, 12:03 AM

Yeah, weed can grow a lot in a few days. Especially a vegging plant. In two weeks, she will be much larger. Can't wait to see pics. Good luck orangeman.

orangeman

04-24-2007, 12:32 AM

yeah your right, I just figured letting them grow like a few inches, but I don't really konw how fast your plants are growing.

Well let's just say I'm having problems watering them now lol. That plant is slowly turning into a bush and it's not as simple as it used to be to water my plants haha. Some leaves are actually lying on the dirt, I try to lift it up to stop from getting wet and stuff. Wow I just burped and smoke came out of my nose, but my last hit was like 30 seconds ago xD.

orangeman

04-24-2007, 01:19 AM

WOW, I go to check on my plants today and guess what I find. The little spots have not been caused by ants, maybe one of them were caused by ants. But I have a different problem. Mites. I don't know if it's spider mites or what but the body is grey and the legs are yellow-like. I need to know EXACTLY what I can order from this page and get it NOW because I need this shit to spray my plants immediately!

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orangeman

04-24-2007, 01:24 AM

budsmoker only

04-24-2007, 04:20 AM

thats a shame bout the mites, but the plants are looking nice... good luck with gettin rid of those mites

Markass

04-24-2007, 04:52 AM

I'm gettin this FoxFarm Don't Bug Me spray from 4 hydroponics.com by Growco Indoor Garden Supply (http://www.4hydroponics.com/grow_room/dontbug.asp) ok? Ok good I'm ordering now, I am in such a hurry to stop those buggers!

hope that you solve your mite problem, orangeman. good luck with that and let us know what's going on :thumbsup:

geonagual

04-24-2007, 07:36 AM

Great log dude. Some of the parts are funny as hell.

orangeman

04-24-2007, 07:56 PM

Pics as I said they would be here today :). I am so anxious to get that pest spray, I want to give the plants a good spraying while there are not too many of those fucks. I killed about 5, I need that shit before they get out of control.

FreeVenice

04-25-2007, 05:27 AM

Can you take a pic of the next one you find for us.

orangeman

04-26-2007, 01:27 AM

Can you take a pic of the next one you find for us.

Probably wont be happening anymore. I'm glad I found a gardening site in my same state. Got the pesticide today and sprayed it on my plants leaves. We'll see how well it works. I have a good feeling about it. I'll probably water my plants tomorrow or Friday, it'll be my first time giving them nutes with their water. I hope I don't burn 'em :-/. I might give them all different doses and see which one responds the best. They'll all be low though. I won't give 'em too much :).

and Btw Venice I tried taking pics the first time I saw those buggers but I have a microscope and it's very very hard to get my camera to focus in on the little microscope hole lol.

FreeVenice

04-26-2007, 01:48 AM

Yeah, I know their tiny, but I have no idea what they look like. . .

orangeman

04-26-2007, 01:51 AM

Yeah, I know their tiny, but I have no idea what they look like. . .

Well I'll try my best to explain. They are the size of a small, small crumb. Almost hard to make out any solid color with the naked eye but they look grey through the scope. And trust me, you won't have to see them. Once you start seeing little holes and very thin slits and yellow spots on your plant and you're doing everything right and can't figure out what's the problem, chances are you might have pests. Well I wouldn't go by the spots, but the very small holes are definitely a way to tell you have mites. I couldn't even believe it because I thought that room was pest free, but since they are so small I guess they can get to plants from almost anywhere haha. I even saw a few gnats in that room at times. Soooo glad pesticide was invented lol! :hippy:

J-dubb206

04-26-2007, 08:14 PM

Man those plants are lookin nice

orangeman

04-26-2007, 09:25 PM

Man those plants are lookin nice

Thanks :) And sorry Venice there was ONE mite I found out of all my plants, surprisingly I expected it because that plant is the most smelly and just seems to be the only plant that the ant targeted before I got the ant traps. I sprayed it this morning and flicked the mite off. I'm remembering I'd probably be able to take a pic of it with my camera in macro mode or somethin like that.

orangeman

04-27-2007, 01:54 AM

A little minor update, just felt like posting pics haha.

Markass

04-27-2007, 03:05 AM

your plants are looking great man, keep up the good work :)

orangeman

04-27-2007, 03:12 AM

Also one question for the future. When I am harvesting them and some one happens to come over and I have to rush and leave the room and wait to trim the rest of the plants later.. if I put them in like a cardboard box just laying down would they be fine until I could get back to trimming them?

Shovelhandle

04-27-2007, 12:47 PM

Going well, O-man. That's a wild avatar, kid. <G>

No problem trimmin' like that, as far as I can see. So, where are the plants at chronologically? I like to know the age or how many weeks of 12-12 etc. Also, what nutes are they getting now?

Thanks,

Shov

orangeman

04-28-2007, 12:44 AM

Well today when I came in I was shocked. They seem to have rust on them or something. At first I thought it was the light intensity or something but I really think it's the pesticide, I forgot to shake it and I sprayed it and no fresh air was getting in or anything. I'm guessing that's why they look that way because I'm hoping a fuckin pest did this, it's on all the plants so I know it must be caused by the pesticide. How much am I actually suppose to spray on these plants lol? Anyways today I watered them with 1 tsp of nutes in a one gallon jug. I went back down to check on them and so far so good. One leaf has curled back though but I'm guessing that was there in the morning when I discovered the rust looking shit. I don't know if it's a deficiency thing or what. We'll see how things look tomorrow morning from tonight. I also gave them all another tie today.

and thanks lol. I was really high when I made that avatar. I saw it on Google images and I thought it was funny and just messed around and thought it could be an avatar haha.

horror business

04-28-2007, 01:18 AM

Yeah, nice avatar orangeman. At first, it took me by surprise, the color change from your last avatar, which I can't remember what it was, lol.

Anyway, on with your plants: AHHH. Yeah, I'd assume that those spots are from the pesticide. How much did you spray on? lol? If it was just a deficiency problem, you would have saw signs yesterday, etc... it wouldn't just appear like that.

Oh yeah, what are you feeding your plants? You probably mentioned it earlier, but I"m too high to go back and look. Any chance of you posting some overhead pics and some side pics? I'd like to see them. Well anyway, good luck, and aside from those spots, they are looking good.

Peace,
horror business :rasta:

blank_21

04-28-2007, 12:36 PM

Wow that looks bad, did you mix the pesticide as per the instructions??? It really shouldnt hurt your plant, unless you mixed it way to strong...

I use "Garden Rip Cord - Crop safe pesticide" and its never caused any problems.

orangeman

04-29-2007, 09:22 PM

Markass

04-29-2007, 10:08 PM

I don't like how the leaves look at all, it's almost starting to discourage me but I'm gonna keep going. The younger leaves are curling and some of the new shoots are coming out with brownish leaves so I know I probably gave them too much nutes...I hope my yield is alright lol, this is starting to suck.

those are some pissed off looking plants....too much nutes you would notice black/burnt looking tips of your leaves..

To the pesticide...how often were/are you using it, because I know that the 3 in 1 pesticide/fungicide/miticide that I've got says use it on a 7 to 14 day schedule until infection is no longer present..I know these products are safe, but I would imagine too much too frequently would create a bad reaction between it and your plant..which is why they advise a certain amount of time between uses..

did you spray it on there while your HPS was on? it almost looks like those leaves are burnt...

orangeman

04-29-2007, 10:19 PM

Yeah. I sprayed it heavily one night while lights were on. Now I only spray them when the lights are off, every time I check on them. I seen a lot of bugs in that room so I just want to keep them as safe as possible. I know I didn't overfert too bad but some young leaves are starting to show some burnt tips so I know it bothered them a bit. It's just a lesson I learned and something I will never do again.

KL4D4

04-29-2007, 10:59 PM

My friends plant looked like that with the leaves it manged to still be alive just let it crazy veg

18toki

04-30-2007, 12:18 AM

Prevention is the best solution to all pest problems.
It happened to me once and I was lucky that it was a male plant. I put him in the oven and bake him~ Small white/gray insects were all over and it was hard to defect if you don't look closely. Some people make a mistake like this by putting indoor plants outside.
Your plants are healthy and strong so they will be fine! :thumbsup:

TheGreenFog

04-30-2007, 03:53 PM

Lovin' the new avy, O-man.

The Fog :rastasmoke:

orangeman

04-30-2007, 07:52 PM

Thx Fog :D. The plants are still alive but the newer leaves are more skinny, I'm guessing from what ever I did. Most new growth has black/brown tips and are curled up. Some leaves are curled up without the damaged tips. I still think the nutes have a little bit of something to do with this. I won't be giving my plants pesticide again until I see more damage like they did before. I have been mite free every since I have been using this but I don't like how messed up my plants are looking because of the over-use/ use while lights were on of the pesticide. i hope with my next grow I can get the plants through it all with no ugly or damaged leaves. I just hate to look at the burns, make them seem sad. I hope growth picks up and they keep going, I don't want them to die.

TheGreenFog

04-30-2007, 08:32 PM

Sending out good vibes.

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The Fog :rastasmoke:

madeline

04-30-2007, 08:45 PM

I looked closely at your earlier pics and saw no signs of mites anywhere. They leave webs behind wherever they go and the leaves get white spots that look like salt granules which I see none of those either. Mites don't just go walking around looking for a home...they are hitch hikers and need to be brought in by either bringing them in on a new houseplant or on your clothes after being in an infested area but they can't fly and don't travel very far on their own. And young plants like those will only suffer when given pesticides so early.

orangeman

04-30-2007, 09:07 PM

Lol well thanks for the advice but unless I was hallucinating hard I'm pretty sure each of those mites which were all identical and which I found on each of my plants were real. And you never saw a mite because I never took a pic of one and they weren't out of control. Btw I'm starting to think Cannabis hates me. Nothing is going right. And now, when I finally lift up the pots to look at the drainage holes guess what. There are roots growing out of the bottom. And this time they are even thicker than the last time I seen them coming out of the bottom of the last pot! I don't have any other pots for them and I'm too afraid anything else I put them in would take up too much space :mad: I have one question, how long can these plants survive with roots sticking out of the bottom and how much will it affect my harvest.

orangeman

04-30-2007, 09:24 PM

The roots aren't all crazy out of the pots but they are starting to be exposed and coming out. How much longer before it becomes serious? Everything that is coming out of the bottom are roots, it's not anything else, would probably be very white if it weren't for the nutes lol.

btw all the plants bottoms basically looks like this one.

orangeman

05-01-2007, 10:17 PM

Well 3 days from nutes, 2 days without pesticide and one plant seems to be taking it worse than the other two. One of my better plant has 7 nodes and still growing and the second better one has 6. The worst one has about 5 and the plant seems to hate the nutes given WAY worse than the other two. and is the less developed, it seems more naked the the other two lol I hope that plant doesn't die if it shows me it's a female because I only have 3 plants and I need as many females as possible. Probably more than likely will definitely put them in 12/12 on Monday. I'm not in a rush to flower them, I would actually like to wait a few more weeks if I could but I need the harvest day to be before a certain week and I don't feel comfortable letting them veg any longer as it is with the root issue and the way they look from the nutes and pesticide.

orangeman

05-02-2007, 12:01 AM

I also now tied down the fan leaves to give more light to the new growth shoots and new branches, I thought it made sense lol. Unless I see negative effects I'll probably continue to do it and untie the fan leaves when the branches get big enough so they aren't in the shade of the fan leaves.

invision

05-02-2007, 01:19 AM

when fans leaves get in the way i just tuck them under the branches, much easier, nice grow so far.

horror business

05-02-2007, 02:06 AM

Orangeman, the roots at the bottom are fine and normal. After a few days, you'll see a lot more roots through the holes, but you'll notice they aren't coming out of the holes anymore, and the ones that already did, have turned brown and died, which won't hurt the plant. If a plant has a lot of space to grow in (like yours do), naturally the roots will go to the bottom, since gravity, and because they want to. Well, soon, they will get to the bottom, and can't go any further. They will try the drainage holes, but realize there's no soil or water there. So, they will grow all throughout the soil. Up, and in the sides, and everything. They are establishing good roots, and that's fine, just don't worry. I heard that you can actually clip the plants roots, and that is how bonsai mother plants are kept. (A former grower with experience doing that told me so, so it's a reliable source).

As far as the pesticide damage and all of your other discouragements, at least you still have plants. Yesterday, all four of mine showed definate male preflowers. They were exactly 3 weeks old from planting the seeds (bag seed), and lights were on 24 hours a day. So, you can imagine my discouragement. I chopped them all down and made a salad out of the leaves and chopped up stems though. It actually was good, lol. So, don't feel bad, you still have plants. My only ones turned into males... :(
Other than that, I was doing everything right, so it's not that I was a bad grower, I just had bad luck. I'm never starting from seeds again though, I'm not growing again until I can get a clone from a good strain. That way, I won't have to waste my time again...

Peace,
horror business :rasta:

orangeman

05-02-2007, 03:12 AM

Yeah, well I think I have an unfamiliar pest now. I might spray them Friday just to be safe. I go down there and one of the fingers on the leaves were basically cut. Like something put a hole in the middle of the finger and caused it to hand over. Then there's a slit from the tip up to half of one of the fan leaves. Then there was a hole right next to it. On the underside around the hole it was black. I don't know what the fuck is causing this but it's pissing me off! Also I watered them just now and emptied out the run off water and it was yellow like piss lol. I saw some type of soil critter or w/e. I sprayed soil a few times like 4 times where it was at, I hope I don't smoke a pesticide poisonous bud lol. I'm glad I'm getting this experience and didn't start off with seeds that I spent money on. I know a few things about growing now and I know the only problem I'm going to run into in the future is the pests. I don't know what they are or how the fuck my plants are getting damaged. Also I lifted lights up, I totally forgot about lights. I'm guessing now that the heat probably caused the leaves to curl up and all that. Probably heat stress. I lifted the lights up some so I hope they like it, I won't forget to check the lights anymore. I totally forgot about it haha. :)

Also Horror I didn't know about the root thing. If it seems all good by next Monday I might extend the vegging for another 1 to 2 weeks maybe.

horror business

05-04-2007, 03:15 AM

Have they shown any signs of improvement yet?

invision

05-04-2007, 08:06 PM

orangeman what is the PH of your soil, the plant in the rear looks like it needs some rescue.

Splifted

05-04-2007, 08:14 PM

Man, looks like I missed a lot. Now that you got this going, I guess that means I need to stop by the boards more often :D

orangeman

05-04-2007, 08:34 PM

orangeman what is the PH of your soil, the plant in the rear looks like it needs some rescue.

No, it was the heat. The plants are fine and every plant has a pH ranging between 6.7-7.0. Just went down to check on them and all the new growth is making me feel better because it's all green and healthy again. I just won't make the same mistakes I made before and everything should be fine :). I don't know if it's true that they double in size when flowering but if so then when ever my fan arrives for the odor bucket I'm building I'll probably switch 'em to 12/12. That'll be probably some time next week. I'll have pics up next week or maybe later if I stop being lazy lol.

And Splifted thanks for stopping by, you should do another log haha. :)

edit: Oh and btw I don't have any unfamiliar pests. It was just a SINGLE mite that was fuckin with my plant and hiding that I didn't see until like 2 days ago. I don't know how long it's been on my plant but I'm pretty sure that was the last of the mites (for now).

hempplaya

05-04-2007, 08:42 PM

orangeman

05-04-2007, 09:27 PM

damn orangeman you've been through hell and back with those plants but good to hear they're coming through so it sounds. wish you best of luck with the grow and hope you don't get some pesticide poisoned bud lol. can't wait till i can start growing on my own

Lol yeah thanks, I hope your grow goes fine when ever it happens haha. And about those buds, I hope I get a female..at least one. The yield doesn't seem all that bad to me anymore, I just want my own homegrown bud..Even if I only get one top (lol) I'm just gonna love watching those calyxes form into the nice flower that I'm gonna eventually smoke. :rastasmoke:

orangeman

05-05-2007, 01:50 AM

Well I have little gnats and bugs in my soil. I was looking at soil today and saw soil bugs crawling on the pots. I tried killing them with pesticide but I don't feel too safe spraying pesticide inside of the soil. I don't want to be inhaling pesticide. Also the new growth seems less green the the growth below it but I'm too scared to even try to give them nutes anymore lol. They seem well big enough to be flowered to me now. They have been growing for 1 month, 8 days. w/e I'm flowering them some time next week for sure. Also one root is growing out of the bottom. I don't guess it's root bound because it hasn't even filled out the whole pot yet so I guess it's still safe. Just took a pic though haha.

FreeVenice

05-05-2007, 04:19 AM

do you have bottoms for those pots? Just push the roots back in through the holes. . .

orangeman

05-05-2007, 04:24 AM

do you have bottoms for those pots? Just push the roots back in through the holes. . .

Yes I do. They sit in an aluminum container.

FreeVenice

05-05-2007, 04:29 AM

Your plants look great, I don't really get it. Those pots are big, your plants are not that big to be havingsuch a root problem. . . I think you will be ok. . .

orangeman

05-05-2007, 02:18 PM

Your plants look great, I don't really get it. Those pots are big, your plants are not that big to be havingsuch a root problem. . . I think you will be ok. . .

Yeah, I already said in the post above that they weren't having a problem in the pots, just one root that came out of the bottom of one pot way more than the others so I just took a pic of it. I said in my above post "I don't guess it's root bound because it hasn't even filled out the whole pot yet so I guess it's still safe."

orangeman

05-05-2007, 04:23 PM

I went down today to water my plants and I noticed that damn centipede ran across the wooden planks on the wall again. So I spray some pesticide in the crack and I was in for a big surprise. All of a sudden this BIG ass fuckin centipede bigger than the smaller one I was trying to kill off crawled out the wall fast as hell and I was like "NO" and just sprayed pesticide until my index finger went numb. It fell off the wall and kept moving it's legs and stuff but it wouldn't move. I was so shaken up, I'm sorry. Everyone in this world has their own biggest fear and some might be taken more serious than others but I'm serious, my biggest fear are bugs. I fuckin hate bugs and that was one fuckin big ass bug. If I didn't love Cannabis so much I'd shut the whole operation down, I don't like being in the same room with those things. I'm pretty sure there's more where that came from because just from watching that smaller one they crawl behind each wooden board on the wall in that room. They haven't come out to mess with my plants before and I've never seen those big ones until I messed around so I'm just gonna never do that again and leave them alone and hopefully they don't come out from behind that wall anymore lol.

Bree1978

05-05-2007, 05:58 PM

Get some safer's insecticide soap. it's at lowe's, perfectly fine to spray on plants/soil. If you can't do that, make tobacco juice. Takes a pack of smokes, but kills those fuckers dead. DO IT NOW! lol, save them before it's too late, I've had those and thrips in my houseplants....know em, hate em, kill em.

:jointsmile: Bree

Taken from: International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles! (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688)

Tabacco Juice recipe

Take 3 strong ciggeretes soak them over night in water
Boil it for 2 to 3 miniutes, let it cool off and spray the plants 3 to 4 times a week. You can add safer soap if you like to the mixture.
(make absolutly sure you use gloves/face protection while handling and spraying)
Neem oil works very well too!!

blank_21

05-07-2007, 04:32 PM

Dont worry if things dont go perfectly the first time round orangeman, growing weed is a learning experience.

It takes alot to kill a mj plant!

Peace :rastasmoke:

horror business

05-07-2007, 08:09 PM

I hate bugs too. Centipedes are terrible. I've seen big ones as well, so I know what you mean. That sucks that they are in the same room as your plants. I'd be pissed. Any way you can move your grow room to a different room? How are the plants doing? Peace, hb

orangeman

05-07-2007, 08:15 PM

Yeah I learned that early. I thought they were big then, these things are bushes now lol. I've done so much. Transplanted them all twice and went wrong, over watered, too much nutes, too much heat, too much pesticide, Lost a few fingers off of fan leaves due to mites biting through them. They have been through so much but I put them on 12/12 just now. On at 9 pm, off at 9 am. Hopefully I can cut them down when I want to. Will it hurt if I let them flower for 9 weeks? For some fuckin odd reason (this one really makes me think something hates me) my estimated harvest week is the same week that I will be GONE from here ALL WEEK! I don't know why it has to happen for me but I hope they are fine. I really wanted to harvest when just mostly cloudy trichs start showing. I honestly don't know anything when it comes to personal experience on this harvesting thing but I don't like the couch-lock shit. I really want to be energetic and all that, I might order exactly what I want on my next grow because I'm tired of all this Indica, that's all I smoke lol. Yesterday I altered my g-bong though, took a big ass hit and I was seriously trippin' in my room. I touched my chest and it felt like I had touched the inside of my body and I could see a colorful spiral (note: I was damn near in the dark so that's why I was seein' stuff) just moving and I couldn't even move. Seriously I couldn't move lol. It was fun just zoning and listening to music. Made me think about how my homegrown would probably get me like that from one hit from my glass pipe instead of a g-bong haha. Oh btw I think my plants are starting to pre-flower. On the plant that's been stinking every since the second week I think I seen a long white hair coming out of the internode but I really couldn't tell. I didn't want to bother too much because they are in dark period now. One thing I gotta stop doing is bothering them when they are suppose to be in dark, I don't think they've been in complete darkness in their darkness period once..I always go down and check on them in the dark for some reason, I didn't think it mattered when they were vegging but I definitely will not do it when they are flowering, just thought I could now..hopefully they don't mind it. I'll have more self control next time :p. Pics tomorrow maybe.

Markass

05-07-2007, 08:28 PM

Shovelhandle

05-07-2007, 08:32 PM

:thumbsup:

orangeman

05-07-2007, 09:54 PM

orangeman, no way for you to estimate when they're going to finish in not knowing a specific strain...you'll just have to watch them and check the trichs as they mature more and more...

have you topped them? sure don't have many bud sites on them, but expect them to nearly double in size or so over the next few weeks and then they'll put the buds on once they get a growth spurt...as long as you can keep your light rather close and keep temperatures stable, you should see good bud production..

Thanks Mark. They look fine to me with the amount of growth shoots they have. I'm just trying to get this done before a certain time and they look like they should be fine. Those plants show me a difference every day and the last pic is a little old lol.

invision

05-07-2007, 09:54 PM

i still say its a PH problem................

orangeman

05-07-2007, 10:15 PM

i still say its a PH problem................

But how could it be a pH problem if my meter tells me that none of the plants soil has a pH under 6.8

invision

05-08-2007, 12:11 AM

are you testing the run off water from the pot?

who makes your PH meter?

invision

05-08-2007, 12:25 AM

orangeman,

your plants are really bothering me, i want you to do this for me, when your pots are nice and dry take the whole plant upside down holding by the stock and soil and slowly remove the pot and look at the very bottom.

if you can see massive amounts of roots and some starting to circle the pot she is root bound, its can only be your PH or root bound.

WynOSmokeZ

05-08-2007, 12:40 AM

LOL, Orangeman is cool cause he replies to my posts, and he just CRACKS ME UP! Sounds like something I would have done if I fucked my plants up. Prolly would have needed myself a new TV as well LOL. Anyways, nice grow man, looks good. And as for that second plant not doing well it should be fine, i've seen worse transplant shock n it made it through.

WynOSmokeZ

05-08-2007, 12:44 AM

OMG, I'm fuckin smoked! Just relized there was 5 pages on this shit! Disregard my previous post, it was intended for you about a month ago when u transplanted LOL. As for the now of this post, It's lookin really good :)

orangeman

05-08-2007, 01:54 AM

Lol Vision it's ok bro. They're fine trust me, I might not have much experience but I think from all my over-worrying and over-observations (lol) it's easy to tell when my plants are fine and when they are in trouble, they're fine. If it's the burns that bothers you, it was because the lights were too close plus I sprayed them too much with pesticide and people already explained to me what could happen when pesticide "dew" is on the leaves and lights are on so I'm guessing you can figure that one out lol. At that time I didn't consider how close the lights were. Even earlier when I observed them they looked too close to the lights again, I checked the leafs and they were starting to show some heat stress. I have to invest in something for the heat on my next grow.

And as far as the nutes they weren't affected too much by it. And even if it did have something to do with it I already flushed all the nutes out. The pH meter tells me the pH is fine and no, I have a soil meter, I stick it in the soil and let it sit for about 60 seconds and I sit there and watch it adjust to the pH and it's fine. And sometimes I accidentally put too much pressure on pots trying to get around in the room and it shows down the pot and they haven't even reached the ends of the pots yet, The roots are no where to be seen so they still have room to grow. So basically I believe my plants are fine, btw I switched them to 12/12 today so tomorrow morning they should notice a "change" lol. One plant started to have alternating nodes some time ago, the second favorite of mine is just now beginning to do that too. My least favorite is lagging behind...It'll have to go along with the other ones into flowering though because I only have one room :(. If the plants double in size then I think the time is now because I don't want them to be too big of bushes in that closet. I think my fav 2 are females. I don't I tried to look at them in microscope and saw some things that I thought were white hairs but I couldn't see a pod, then I believe I seen one stalked trichome around that area. I don't know if males produce those or not but I think I seen just one. I don't know, I'm just aching to know rather I have male or females so I'm just going berserk trying to figure out what they are so I'm trying to notice everything I think a female plant should be producing and running with it haha.

And thanks WynO :)

edit: Btw Vision I'm sorry but I just can't tamper with my plants. I am just shaky about that every time I think about it. All my transplants were disastrous but I'm just thankful my plants made it through them all. I will never lift my plants out of their pots unless I absolutely have to, like if they actually were root bound.

blank_21

05-08-2007, 10:54 AM

Transplanting is really really easy, just make sure you give it a good watering before you transplant, when the soils nice and moist it just pops out the pot like a dream!

postmandave

05-08-2007, 08:21 PM

Orangeman never noticed you had a grow dude. that post i had in my sig still cracks me up manlol best of luck and it does look a ph prob lol sorry but hell well done mate .gpood to see you still around.be safe the postman.

stone_sensation

05-08-2007, 08:33 PM

orangeman

05-08-2007, 08:53 PM

and you thought your centipede was big, I hate the F**kers. Check this one for big :

YouTube - Giant centipede eating mouse. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CL2hetqpfg)

[EDIT]

BAH!! This ones even bigger!!! :

YouTube - Giant centipede eating mouse 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3APJA0EedSE&mode=related&search=)

The centipede in my room was a lot smaller than both of those but it was still big, but if I had those crawl out from behind the wall I'd never go in that room again lol.

orangeman

05-08-2007, 09:31 PM

Oh I was wondering, what exactly lets me know that my plants are starting their vegetative state..is it when they start to produce internodes? I was wondering because I don't know exactly how many weeks they were vegging, I only know the total days they've been alive and when I started flowering (which was yesterday). I'm just a particular person and when they start vegging next time around I want to make a note of it so I know from the first day that it has started. I will have pics up later, would go take some now but even for the first day of 12/12 I don't want to go disturb them in the dark lol.

orangeman

05-09-2007, 01:55 AM

pix

horror business

05-09-2007, 03:08 PM

Wow, they look a LOT better than before. Good job reviving them. Can't wait to see them start flowering.

blank_21

05-09-2007, 04:09 PM

orangeman

05-09-2007, 07:16 PM

Looking much better OM!

I heard plants should be at least 6 weeks old before flowering, if grown from seed.

My plant doubled in size during flowering.

Basically if they arnt seedlings they in the vegetative state i think.

Peace :rastasmoke:

Yeah well that's obvious lol but I don't know what officially means they start vegetating. Meh doesn't matter I'll just make up one next time lol. And thanks! I'm glad they look better haha. Even though I don't know when they started vegging I know it's been at least 5 weeks so they're good enough. I'm just excited to see them flower :). Btw I don't know about the one all the way to the right of the room. It's sorta lacking behind while the other ones are doing well. I hope it does some good.

Markass

05-09-2007, 07:37 PM

looking good orangeman

horror business

05-10-2007, 12:18 AM

I've read this in several grow books at barnes and nobles, so it's a reliable source:

As soon as the first true set of leaves emerge, the plant is technically in the vegetative state, as it's absorbing light, etc...

The plant is no longer a seedling, once it's at it's 5th node. Then it's considered a vegetating plant, but even when it's a seedling, it's still vegetating, so as soon as its first set of true leaves emerge, it's in vegetative state, and as soon as it's at it's 5th node, it's not a seedling anymore.

Kind of like, how babies are still alive once they are born, but you aren't considered an adult until you are 18. Well, no, that makes no sense after typing it.

r00tdoctor

05-10-2007, 12:50 PM

Hey orangeman nice grow. A plant is considered mature when its nodes start alternating (instead of having a pair of nodes as they do when the plants are young , the plant will starts alternating nodes when it reaches maturity) just for your future reference. It is best to wait until the nodes start alternating to flower, because the plant isnt mature if the nodes are not alternating. This only apply's when growing from seed because a clone is always as mature as the parent plant. I been meaning to comment on your grow just got a lil side tracked lol.

orangeman

05-10-2007, 08:27 PM

Ah that's good then because all my plants are alternating 2 are just now starting but I guess they are at that point. My fav plant has been having alternating nodes for some time. 3 days of 12/12 now. I was thinking about watering them tomorrow. Should I give them some nutes for flowering plants or for vegetating plants? I never wanted my plants to get too big. I feel so/so about flowering when I did but like I said it's all experimental and a learning experience. Obviously with my next grow they'll be allowed to vegetate longer, probably 7-8 weeks then I'll flower. They've been alive for a total of 45 days. I'll determine how I'm gonna do my next grow according to how these plants react during flowering. Also does thicker, stronger branches mean the plants will produce larger buds? If so what can I do to encourage that. Of course everything will probably naturally happen but I like to enhance things if I can lol.

postmandave

05-10-2007, 08:50 PM

looking good man.the postman.

r00tdoctor

05-10-2007, 09:05 PM

Give them some flowering nutes, it will help them have the extra Phosphorus they will need to start forming flowers. If your worried about your plants getting to big during flower theres alot of ways to minimize strech some easy ways are to add cfl or mh 5500-6500k spectrum light to the plants during flower(along with the normal 2200-2700k hps lighting). Dont use ferts high in nitrogen during flower because it will cause more vegative growth and will can cause the plants to strech. There are also chemicals that can minimize stretch. You could also lst,scrog,ect if your worried about height. Cannabis can double or triple in height during flower depending on the strain , and the methods you use to minimize it. If you want thicker branches get a rotating fan on you plants those things help alot. Also alot of people dont mention this but root mass has ALOT to do with bud formation the better the root system the bigger the plant will be able to yield. Use as big of pots as you can, its something thats overlooked alot of times. You can check out my current grow the link's at the bottom of this post ive got some recent close up pictures at how my buds are forming at day 8 of 12/12. It will give you something to judge you buds formation progress at since your plants are only a few days younger in flower then mine. Stop by my thread and tell me what you think lol.

Weedhound

05-11-2007, 01:41 PM

Hi orangeman just thought I'd stop by and check out your grow since you checked out mine. From that last pic they look really nice. I don't have anything to offer as it looks like you already have several fine minds at work here with you so I'll just cruise through. :)

orangeman

05-14-2007, 08:56 PM

Wow. Well so far from what I've learned my humidity is about 61% with lights off and it won't go below 54% when the lights are on. All I can say is I hope the humidity doesn't ruin the crop because there's not much I can do.

orangeman

05-17-2007, 01:58 AM

Damn. I went in my room tonight and my eyes almost popped out of my head lol. Those things grew so big since I last seen them. I'm like please don't grow any higher lol. No clear preflowers yet, I think one of them is just starting to show some. I seen a little fuzzy white thing so I'm thinking that's the pistil, I hope I get a male so I can take a plant out because I think the humidity is caused by the plants because when I first started it was at 40% now it's all the way at 60%. When the lights come on it goes down though. Hopefully I don't get molded but and hopefully I get a nice harvest :). Pics will be up next week. I have been busy all this week.

orangeman

05-17-2007, 02:19 AM

Also I was wondering. When they get close to week 6-7 or what ever do you guys think that'd be a good time to take a bud off and test it out? I heard some people test their weed out while it's growing to determine rather they want to harvest at that time or not depending on the high they get. I was wondering if that's alright because I'm not trying to get any sort of couch-lock effect at all lol.

r00tdoctor

05-17-2007, 03:36 AM

orangeman

05-17-2007, 03:44 AM

Post some pics soon bro , I would like to see how there lookin. If you must harvest a bud early try and take one of the lower popcorn buds. And a rule of thumb is the more clear/cloudy the tricomes are the more of a entergetic high , the more amber tric's the more of a couch-lock type buzz. Alot of things come into play that effect the high but you wont really know the effects until you smoke it. Also dont harvest too early or you will be sacrificing yield. If your trying to not get couch lock ; harvest when most of the trich's are cloudy before very many start turning amber.

So the minute I see even one amber trich I should harvest? I'm really not trying to get that couch-lock shit lol. I really wanted to grow some kind of indoor Sativa strain because I really don't like the Indica's too much anymore.

Also I will have pics up soon. Just waiting for some flowers to show. Tired of showing the same thing. I want to see some females now lol.

FreeVenice

05-17-2007, 03:57 AM

I would be happy to trade my Sativa for your Indica any day. Allthough, this stuff did make me sleepy on occation. . .

orangeman

05-17-2007, 04:00 AM

Lol I'd love to trade too. I hate feeling sleepy. I want some weed that makes me feel the SAME as when I wake n bake every time I smoke lol. There's no better feeling when smoking (I mean none) than when you wake up in the morning and toke, it's just how I feel.

mobay

05-17-2007, 04:01 AM

damn orangeman didnt know you were growing, will keep an eye out of this thread from now on.:thumbsup:

orangeman

05-17-2007, 11:08 PM

One question, I really need this answered Me being mad that the humidity was fucked in the room I finally put the dehumidifier in there. Had it on continuous dryness or w/e. Now the humidity was at 50% this morning. I'm pretty sure it's even lower now but the lights are off so I can't go in and check and see where it's at. I turned the dehumidifier's dial until it turned off. I never became fascinated with dehumidifiers until I found out it'll help keep the room dry which is what I needed so i'm wondering when I turned the dial until it turned off does that mean it'll turn on every time the humidity goes below the level it's at now and turn off when it doesn't need to suck in any more air? If so then that's good because I don't want it running all the time lol.

r00tdoctor

05-18-2007, 12:06 AM

I would need to know the brand / model # of the dehumidifier to help you bro.

orangeman

05-18-2007, 12:11 AM

Damn..I don't even know the name. I'll post it later. Lights should be on in like an hour.

orangeman

05-18-2007, 01:12 AM

The dehumidifier is a Whirlpool Accudry. I don't know the exact model #. Also I accidentally pushed the timer. Now the time it comes on is a little off (god dammit). This shouldn't affect anything should it?

Oh, I think I found it. I think this is it.

Compare Prices on Whirlpool AD50DSL Dehumidifier (http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Whirlpool-AD50DSL)

r00tdoctor

05-18-2007, 01:31 AM

orangeman

05-18-2007, 01:41 AM

That has an "Adjustable Humidistat" so yes you set the level you want the humidity at then it will cycle to keep it at that level. I dunno what u mean about the timer?

"Adjustable Humidistat
The adjustable humidity control allows you to choose the dryness of the room for your family's comfort. The dehumidifier will cycle on and off to maintain your selected level of dryness and comfort"

I mean the timer for my lights, the HPS. I accidentally bumped into the timer and I knocked it off it's normal cycle of time. I tried to change it back to be exactly how it was but it doesn't work -_-..I'm just gonna leave it alone and let the lights turn on when ever they do. They're still on 12/12 so w/e.

r00tdoctor

05-18-2007, 01:48 AM

Ic , does your timer have a switch to bypass the timer, if so that should turn them on and they should turn back off when the timer gets to its off cycle.

orangeman

05-18-2007, 01:55 AM

Yeah it does, I turned it on when I noticed it was still off and past the time that it was suppose to turn on. I tried to adjust it back but I don't think it's the same. I'm not gonna bother anymore. Just gonna see what happens and try to be more careful next time.

r00tdoctor

05-18-2007, 01:58 AM

a few minute change in the 12/12 cycle isnt gonna affect the plants so dont sweat it.

orangeman

05-18-2007, 03:24 AM

Meh, decided to put some pics up.

mobay

05-19-2007, 12:24 AM

go toke up

05-22-2007, 06:20 PM

looks good man! keep it up!

Bree1978

05-22-2007, 06:35 PM

Meh, nothing....they look fantastic!

:jointsmile: Bree

atsar

05-22-2007, 07:03 PM

lookin good,especially for a 1st grow,it is your 1st aint it?you did say,damn can't remember

orangeman

05-22-2007, 07:45 PM

just reading through your thread orangeman and these are the humidity reading.
0-25 very dry
25-50 dry
50-75 normal
75-100 humid
hope this helps you out with the humidity, also a dehumidifier will dry your entire grow out to the point of no come back so be careful using it. nice looking plants :thumbsup:

Damn Mobay that helped out a lot, I had an idea of the ranges but that helped more lol. And yes it is my first grow and what do you mean it can dry my entire grow out to the point of no coming back lol? Btw I think I'm going to need the dehumidifier during harvesting because I'm pretty sure in that little closet a lot of humidity will come out of it. And thanks. I'll post pictures of how they look today. I am certain I have a male so I might be doing some chopping tonight. I think the other 2 are females. If not both then I know at least one of them is a female.

go toke up

05-23-2007, 01:31 AM

i wanna see more pics dude

orangeman

05-23-2007, 02:41 AM

Results are in. One was a full blown male, I chopped it down immediately. Not as easy as I thought, I actually hesitated to cut it. Male or not I hate to see my plant go, I love them all equally. Anyways I took it down and I was excited because I know I have one female, the pistils are showing! I think the other one is a female also but it's really slow to develop because it always has been the slowest growing one. Hopefully it's a female, I really wouldn't care what it is because I still have ONE female. I think I touched the branches too hard and some red stuff came out and I wiped it off.

I didn't mean to, I forgot that stuff might come out if you touch it too hard because the males branches left my hands sticky from all that stuff oozing out. When I left and came back the whole basement smelled like a lot of plants lol. You can tell some plants had been handled down there, I hate to think what harvest day will smell like :-/. I looked at the bottom of the female and I really hope those things down there are just slow developing female flowers because as of right now they look like pollen sacs. I hope this one isn't a hermie. If it is can't I just cut the branch down that holds the male flowers? I'm just excited I have pistils. I can't wait to see how they grow in the coming days :). I couldn't post the pics that I took of me killing my male plant, it was too horrible..I just deleted those pics :(. Also I smoked a few mins ago to celebrate me female. :rastasmoke:

Markass

05-23-2007, 02:55 AM

looks good man, glad to see they're doing okay :thumbsup:

Shovelhandle

05-23-2007, 01:51 PM

Very nice photos of your plants, O-man. : )

I'm a little forgetful, could you please add some of your pertinant information on the grow once in a while?
some things like variety (bagseed, I think?), how many weeks have they been growing, nutrients, and lights.

Thank you, Bub!

Shov

orangeman

05-23-2007, 07:57 PM

It's a bag seed
Lights are 250w but I am using a 270w Son Angro bulb. At least I think it is, might just be something to get my money lol. They have been growing for 8 weeks but flowering for 2 weeks. I only gave them a little bit of nutes the day I watered them when they were flowering with some FloraNova Bloom. Probably gonna give them 1/2 tsp within the next 3 waterings.

J-dubb206

05-24-2007, 07:07 AM

Yo man i could be wrong but i once watched a movie called "ready set grow" and they said not to add anything into the soil when your flowering. no nutrients or anything like that just feed it water. I could be wrong but its what i can recall,anyway just trying to help, and plants are lookin good. :thumbsup:

Markass

05-24-2007, 12:34 PM

MegaOctane12

05-24-2007, 05:56 PM

orangeman

05-24-2007, 08:05 PM

No need to overreact like that to everything, no need to use that pesticide either and no need to use a dehumidifier, forget about humidity altogether. Focus on getting the plant through bloom to harvest that's all you need to think about right now. Your soil conditions look ok but I don't recall how rich the soil is so I can't say whether you need to start with the PK nutrients seeing as you flipped over to 12/12 recently. Not all bugs are bad.

I'm sorry but I can't do that. I'm pretty sure I'm positive about everything I'm doing and humidity is in fact something I have to worry about. I'm not trying to get molded bud here and before I had the dehumidifier in the room the humidity was damn near 70%. And I overreacted about most things because, well if you read the thread title that'd be enough to let you know it's my first log. I'm learning and I'm trying to perfect what I do, I never do something half-assed so I want to become just as experienced as I am with growing as with the knowledge I have about it. Soil is alright, and the bugs that have found interest in my plants are bad and I'm sorry but I am going to continue to use the pesticide because it does exactly what I need, which is to kill those damn spider mites and stop them from eating away at my plants. I haven't even used the pesticide for weeks, I only spray them when I see those damn bugs on them.

Oh btw I confirmed the sex of the second plant. They both are females and I'm happy :). I can't wait to see how they look within the coming weeks. I love seeing new flowers and seeing the flowers grow more and more :). Also last night I finally said fuck it and I put together my fan with that plug and the fan works for my odor neutralizers. I've only read about it and I never used it so I don't know how well it's gonna work but I'll be sure to let everyone know. Next time I'm going to try and grow 4 plants. I considered my self lucky this time to get 2 females. I could have had bad ass luck and ended up having 3 males lol. That'd suck.

orangeman

05-25-2007, 01:42 AM

Meh little progress. I'm interested in what they'll look like two weeks from now lol.

invision

05-25-2007, 01:54 AM

flower process is very slow, the problem is that YOU must ignore that they even exist, i dont look at mine everyday, sometimes ill water log them so i dont have to look in there for 3 days then when i look its just amazing how much they grew in that little time.

r00tdoctor

05-26-2007, 08:29 AM

comming along nicely orangeman , ill be watching to see the results.

orangeman

05-26-2007, 01:30 PM

Shovelhandle

05-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Yup, the plants get aweful thirsty as the grow bigger, that's for sure!

Shov

Markass

05-26-2007, 07:42 PM

I can't seem to find any mites but the plants have indicators that they have been attacked. I dunno most of the attacked tops are the first few branches so that might be old damage just looking more severe because they are growing bigger but I'm still on the look out. I put that odor thing to work, don't really notice anything different yet. We'll see how it goes when they start smelling. I think that dehumidifier is either drying the soil out or those plants are sucking up water now more than ever, I think it's both. I have no choice though I need to keep that thing in the room. I'll have pics up next week.

you'll notice the dehumidifier definitely assists in drying out the soil a bit more, however, once they start flowering and getting bigger they will start consuming more water..combination of both man, I saw the same once I got my dehumidifier, but I'd say majority goes to the plant..

orangeman

05-28-2007, 04:13 AM

Well I made a few changes in room today, sadly in the process since the room is so small I had an accident, fan fell twice and took one fan leaf off of both plants. One of the fan leaves that snapped off was shooting out of a bud site, I hope the bud still grows fine :p. I have more room than I thought for clones, so after this grow I'm going to empty out room and put a new sheet in the room sectioning it off. One section for clones and one section for growing plants. Next time around I think I'm gonna wait until the plants are mature enough to be flowered, then take 3 cuttings from each plant and then put the plants in 12/12 and see which ones are female and male, I'll kill the males and let the females flower all the way while the clones are still growing. And then if my clones are mature enough to enter 12/12 they will go in the next room and be flowered as well with the other plants if they haven't been chopped down already, then I will have lots more bud to last me :). That should work fine :D. Anyways here's more shots. I decided to give them a whole gallon jug. Had plenty of run off, didn't expect that to happen lol. I tied some weak looking plants upward to help support them.

Btw they don't look like they have any deficiencies but I was wondering if I should give them some flowering nutes? Like would it help promote bud growth or what? I'm not sure on what to do since they seem fine but maybe it could be like a boost or something?

DirtyDarin

05-29-2007, 02:41 AM

They look good

big smoke07

05-29-2007, 03:45 AM

I'm ashamed to not know much about weed when it comes to growing. I cant follow any conversations cause im clueless.

But do you think it was worth it investing all the money into the grow room when the yield wont be a large amount? When you could have spent 100$ and got just as much bud? Just wondering for future reference.

orangeman

05-29-2007, 07:39 PM

Well I invested all of the money because I thought I'd be using all of what I bought. And honestly it might not seem like it but 95% of the the stuff I bought, I'm using and it is making a difference in how my grow has gone. Now I don't know what you mean by large amount but as far as the money goes that I spent on the light, I do think it was worth it because I'm pretty sure 250 watts from my HID delivers much more lumens than 250 watts of CFL's would have done, and next time around I will have clones so that will be a plus when it comes to "final yield" next time around. Besides this isn't a one time thing. Now when ever I decide to upgrade all I have to worry about buying is a light with more wattage and a better set up for my ventilation system. So yes I do think it was worth it. Trust me $100 won't get you too much anywhere if you really are trying to grow something for "yield" and not just for fun or experiment.

stinkyattic

05-29-2007, 08:04 PM

I think an investment into a grow room is a good one for a couple reasons...
-Equipment gets re-used, so your first grow might cost you like $300 an ounce lol, but subsequent grows will cost little more than the price of electricity and fertilizer!
-This is so corny... it's a hobby... look at what people spend on like craft supplies and such... hahaha it's entertainment if you are a garden geek like some people!

Yeah Orangeman the ventilation is something that will repay you well, and I'd like to suggest that your next light be air-cooled- I waited 3 years for my first air hood and was like, WOW, I'm a dummy, it would have solved a lot of problems!!!

On the topic, mites breed and go thrrough their life cycles REALLY fast in higher temps and an infestation can get out of hand faster if you are up in the 80s. IF you HAD mites yeah, the damage may continue to look like it is getting worse as the leaves scar up, so just look for signs of FRESH damage and the bugs themselves, and even if you don't see any, a good bug-bombing a week before you initiate flower, and then another one a week later, is GREAT for your peace of mind.
The plants are looking very nice overall. If I were going to make one suggestion, it would be to train them out a little flatter to use the light more efficiently. See how the lower parts of the plant are in the shade? IF you spread out the canopy, you will have a little better penetration, and you will be giving yourself more room for when it is time to flower.

orangeman

05-29-2007, 09:01 PM

Yeah Stinky thanks, I was gonna say fuck it and do it to the whole garden but I did tie one branch down. Thanks for telling me that. I'm gonna just tie them all down because I was concerned about the parts of the plants that were not getting that much light. And yeah that's sort of a bad thing because my temps do reach about 85 at most times, I believe because of the dehumidifier. When it's off temps usually are just 75-78. But I think it'll be fine. I can't wait until I see them tonight :). And thanks for stopping in :D. And yeah I do need to get something, I was planning on getting an air cooled system for my lights when I get a bigger room. I'll probably get a 600 watter. I really want to move the light closer but I don't want to burn them :( I'm gonna get a glass lens for my next grow to just deal with the 250 for now.

lol you have 6,666 posts xD

stinkyattic

05-29-2007, 09:05 PM

not any more lol!!! :D
85 isn't bad... could be worse... tieing down will make the light use more efficient anyway

orangeman

05-29-2007, 09:15 PM

Yeah, but I didn't really tie them down because of a rumor that I sorta believed and never asked to be sure about..but some where I read that tying down while flowering was stressful and could increase the possibility of hermies or some shit like that. But I'm gonna tie them down and move the light just a bit closer. I want to make the most out of what I have :D.

stinkyattic

05-29-2007, 09:17 PM

Just be gentle. The thing you should never do in flower is top or pinch.
I'm going to train my 2 week flowering Toxic Lemon tonight, Foxy will post pics in the AM I think lol... I trust her not to herm.\

guerillagrowerz

05-29-2007, 09:29 PM

dam orangeman! nice grow. Mines sucks. They are small still. i need these guys to vamp up or something. How long did it take for them to get that big?

orangeman

05-29-2007, 10:40 PM

dam orangeman! nice grow. Mines sucks. They are small still. i need these guys to vamp up or something. How long did it take for them to get that big?

edit: I think it's about 2 months now (2 months and 2 days to be exact) and I think it was about a month and 1/2 into growth when I decided to flower. And yeah Stinky I knew about that one lol. I mean, like I said above 1 fan leave fell off of 2 of my plants but that was because of an accident with the fan :p.

orangeman

05-30-2007, 02:26 AM

I tied them down, hopefully this helps the bottom develop a bit more :). The one on the left isn't really developed like I want. It was really a slow grower and sadly I only had one room so it had to go along into flowering with the other 2 at the time. Not really much going on with the flowers, I love that they are there though. I spent a whole hour down there just look at all the places where it was flowering lol. Should I give them some flowering nutes for next watering? Would that help the branches to get a bit thicker?

stinkyattic

05-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Cool, you should notice the lower stuff start to fill in some more now.

TheGreenFog

05-30-2007, 02:40 PM

Lookin' good O-man. :thumbsup:

The Fog :rastasmoke:

r00tdoctor

05-31-2007, 05:56 AM

orangeman

05-31-2007, 10:24 PM

I gave my plants a nice dose of flowering nutes the day I sent them to 12/12. And then on my normal fert scedule after that. What day into 12/12 are you in now? Your plants are looking good and I love those white hairs forming.

23 days into flowering. No nutes yet lol. I really don't want to give it to them until I see deficiency like I said so meh, I won't. Didn't look at them yesterday. If they have noticeable changes I'll take pics, if not then I won't. But I'm sure they're doing fine :).

orangeman

06-01-2007, 03:05 AM

Well my more developed females main cola is getting thicker. It's the most developed set of flowers in the room lol. Anyways it's not much progress so I didn't take pictures but that tying down really helped. That open space is bushy already and I see a lot more bud sites developing and a lot of bottom ones that weren't getting a lot of light are way bigger now :D. Hopefully I get at least a bit over an oz. I'll be satisfied :).

orangeman

06-02-2007, 02:21 AM

Pics, still waiting for them to get bigger lol. I mean they are but I want them to be past this stage already. Yes I am impatient -_-. My next time around it'll be much better though I suppose. Nothing much to update other than I changed how long the dehumidifier turns on so now it keeps the humidity at about 50-57 and the temps have been in a range of 76-80..that's way better than what the temps were before :p. Took a pic to show the difference. It's filled out those empty spaces a lot more. Now there is still fan leaves shading bud sites because of the improvement of growth lol. But it's fine I just simply move the fan leaves and the other bud sites get exposed to lots of light :).

go toke up

06-02-2007, 06:27 AM

them buds look like its gonna be some dank shit u get

orangeman

06-02-2007, 06:34 AM

them buds look like its gonna be some dank shit u get

Yeah I hope so :).

the yeag

06-02-2007, 06:56 AM

nice man nice.....we have never really communicated before. i guess a few comments here and there and an occasional kick too the balls.... anyway I did not think you would have the patients to stay with this wonderful hobby. i new you could smoke but i figured you would have given up by now on growing and went back to buying . you seemed connected enough that keeping your supply up was no problem . you must actually love to grow and growing weed for a hobby is wonderful , relaxing, "at times" and can teach a young person patients. I can't wait to see the end result. keep that shit on the low and stay under the wire.

FreeVenice

06-02-2007, 06:59 AM

They look very Satavia Dom. Do you have a name? sry if you said it already. . .

I see your not LSTing anymore, I think you still should. You really don't have to worry about a strain if the string isn't pulling that hard. You can see how I LST in my first grow. It helps alot. . .

orangeman

06-02-2007, 02:05 PM

Well actually I just tied them all down to expose some of the lower areas of the plant to help try to increase the growth down there. And yeah I was thinking that they were lookin' like a bit of hybrid on the Sativa side when I looked at that over-head pic I took. Don't know their names, just 2 healthy plants in there that came from some nice bag seeds of mine.

Btw the yeag, I can't see my self...paying for a potent flower, why pay large amounts of cash for something that's free? I don't believe I will stop growing until I either pass away or go to prison by some how getting busted. Growing was my dream and it's my #1 hobby. No, I'm not a breeder, I am Cannabis smoker so I'd probably be trying to constantly improve ways to increase my yield and potency rather than dealing with seeds and and males and all that stuff. Probably if I ever run out of seeds though lol. The only time I was truly impatient is when something had happened to my plants that caused me to believe that they might have died or ended up paralyzed. Only thing that I'm anxious about now is the flowers, I want them to keep flowering and get bigger :). I'm actually fine now but when they start making crystals and forming heads I know I'll be impatient xD.

FreeVenice

06-03-2007, 12:02 AM

I'm kinda getting into breeding. . .but I don't have any males. . .

orangeman

06-06-2007, 02:44 AM

Here are my babies today. Noticed a smell when I went down there earlier today and my heart dropped. Why? Because this is only the 3rd week and the smell is coming from only a few trichomes that seems to have formed on the bud site closest to the reflective material and getting a lot of light. Happy about it but not happy thinking about how bad it can smell in the coming weeks. Actually I wouldn't mind the house reeking of it but it can't for safety reasons. Gave it some nutes, I think I gave em both 1/2 tsp again, (I think) it's hard to tell because the nutes is muddy-like so it's hard to read what it says on the measuring cup when you have nutes smeared all on the shit lol. Sprayed them for the last time with pesticide since they aren't that filled in yet, sprayed em good and left door open with fan on to stop any heat problems. Since temps are high I keep fan on all the time now aimed at the light to keep it cool....de ja vu, I seen this whole point in my life before...anyways lol, there was a small bud helplessly trying to develop in-between a rope of mine and I tried to help it but 4 pistils fell off in the process and the bud looked sorta damaged. Hopefully it just develops into a weird bud and doesn't die on me. Either way it goes I'm not letting any of these buds just die off without sampling :p. I won't adjust light anymore, I'll just let the plants grow and see how they respond. If they don't like it I'll move it up more. 3 weeks, 2 days into flowering.

edit: btw is there any reason why there are pistils that seem reddish already?

go toke up

06-06-2007, 04:28 AM

lookin fuckin great orangeman! keep up the good work!

orangeman

06-06-2007, 09:56 AM

Yeah thanks, I just realized how much I was actually gonna have to smoke lol. As the flowering process went on at first I thought I wouldn't even have anything worth stashing (probably like only 10 grams) but now they are getting bigger and all and now the whole side of that room is filled up with flowers :). I think I'm gonna be happy at the end of this thing :D. Also I don't know how long it takes for them to show how well they like the nutes you gave them but so far every since last night they still seem fine and didn't seem to mind the nutes so if they are doing fine and not showing me any deficiencies I'm guessing it'll be doing just fine. I don't think I ever gave them anything over 1/2 tsp. Too scared of an over fertilization. Too far into this to end up with that shit.

r00tdoctor

06-07-2007, 11:32 AM

Dont worry about a few reddish pistils that happens , more and more will grow. Your girls are looking good orangeman I dont see any deficency's just make sure you dont starve them for flower nutes or it will make your yeild less then it could be. Theres a thin line between over and under fertilizing , heh.

orangeman

06-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Lol yeah that's what I always worry about. Under fertilizing and over. But I see them (almost) every day so I'm sure if they were ever to be under fertilized I'd know it before it got out of hand. And they don't seem to be responding bad to the nutes I gave them so I guess they're fine. I'm not too sure if I'll give them any more nutes unless they seem to need it because they look fine to me.

orangeman

06-08-2007, 03:08 AM

Sorta weird to try and figure out if you aren't looking at it in person but I really need to know, wtf is this? It doesn't look like a female flower, might not seem like anything unusual from where you're looking but in person it looks like a big ball of whitish green. It just doesn't look like anything I've seen before. That usually isn't what a hermie or seeded bud looks like is it? Also I think I seen a little bug on a pistil. Usually if they are easy to blow off doesn't that mean they're dead? I looked at it through microscope and it wasn't moving. I mean I did spray them yesterday and I think I did a good job. Hopefully it got rid of anything living on them.

Oh yeah I'm glad to see crystals starting to come in on the buds :). The plant on the right is developing crystals a lot more than the one on the left but it's ok. Might have been dumb to believe they were all the same strain before but now I see that they are different, they look different in a way. Also how the hell do you guys keep focus with those microscopes looking at the trichomes? I keep shaking and shit. :wtf:

orangeman

06-08-2007, 07:57 PM

Hopefully I can put two females in one ScroG screen. I know things will get tangled but I don't have that much space so next grow I'm gonna try to stuff two females under a screen and hope for the best lol. Now that I finally got a little bit of experience I see for my situation a ScroG grow would be best. I really hate that there is still small buds at the bottom that don't really get a lot of light. I'm also thinking about just cutting off all the buds that are ready when it's time and let the buds that didn't get that much light just a little bit more time to grow. I hear it works so we'll see. I just look at ScroG grows and it seems like there is no bud that grows that doesn't look the same. No big nice cola and little nuggets growing under it..all the buds look nice and big and equal. I wanna see what type of results I get.

r00tdoctor

06-08-2007, 08:03 PM

A scrog in your space would work well , ill be waiting for your second shot at growing lol. Seems like are plants have been growing for ages already lol.

orangeman

06-08-2007, 08:45 PM

Mm-hmm. It's been 4 months now. Way longer than I expected. Just imagine if I had let them vegetate longer. I'm glad I started flowering when I did. I had it all scheduled to be done at a certain date and things turned out EXACTLY how I wanted them to. The only things I hate about this grow is the heat problems, and the ventilation issues. But those are things I realized I was gonna have a problem with in the first place, I did want to fix it up but I can't, I can't put any holes in the walls because it just wouldn't work trust me. The things I DID learn about this grow was to never spray them too much with that pesticide, not to panic about roots like I was doing. I never realized every time I transplanted them they weren't even root bound yet...Also I'm never giving them any vegetating nutrients until they really have a deficiency showing.

I don't know it just seems like those growing nutrients really were too strong for the plants. I guess it was all the nitrogen. I dunno. The flowering nutes don't seem to affect them much though, they don't seem to mind it. Also I really believe the lights were a major problem to them at one point. Believe it or not but I COMPLETELY forgot about the lights for a minute in the grow. Yes, that means they were too close and I didn't even realize it. That's why I believe they had all those burns on them earlier in my grow when I sprayed them with pesticide like every day. They were too young for all that heat from the light. Also with the humidity panic, it really wasn't even a problem. I didn't realize humidity wasn't really a problem at that time in flowering. Something I guess I skipped over when I was reading about growing. Y'know when you're reading about Cannabis growing you never really pick up on certain things until you get your grow going and run into a certain problem and look for solutions to it. I love gaining knowledge about this man it's all exciting. I wish I had this much enthusiasm in school so I can hurry up and ge the fuck out of there lol.

When I transplant next time I'm gonna make sure that soil is totally gripped by the roots because every time I transplanted on this grow I had a break down because I always thought my plants were gonna die. You should have seen the job. Roots broke off, dirt was falling eeeeverywhere and the roots were just fucked. I'm seriously shocked I even made it this far, those transplants were rough. I was too focused on roots coming out of the bottom of the pots not even realizing they hadn't even filled out horizontally yet. I was just so paranoid by transplant because I had a bad experience with a transplant which resulted in the death of my young cannabis plant once before. With my plants now I realize that one flowering female is growing a bit faster than the other because one was flowering long before the other. I'm hoping that's why the calyxes on the other plant are swelling because God those things look big lol. I could be just exaggerating but I didn't know those things could swell so fast so early. One plant is starting to slowly produce crystals that are clear to the eye. The other one you have to look in a microscope to see them. I have a bud I have my eye on for testing. It's a smaller bud with a thin branch so I know it won't be that much so I'll take it off when it's all sugary for a sample lol. I know it's only the 3rd week (this Monday making it the 4th week from the switch to 12/12) but I'm glad there is no smell. I really don't want to speak too soon. I really don't even know if that little smell thing will work but I swear I hope I can keep the odor down. If it gets out of control things will get crazy I know it :p.

horror business

06-08-2007, 09:08 PM

orangeman... good job on your grow so far. It's amazing to see your plants come along. It's also somewhat depressing, since I would have had two flowering plants right now, close to the same age as yours. But, I've got two Jack Herer seedlings now, I just can't wait for them to start being big. lol.

I'm glad your plants made it, as I remember when they looked terrible due to the pesticide burn. I also remember when they came back looking healthy. And now to see them bud, it's just amazing.

I'm glad there are other people my age that are as serious about cannabis as I am.

Peace,
horror business

MacWQ33

06-11-2007, 12:15 AM

orangeman

06-11-2007, 07:14 PM

Wow O...I've never really ventured into these parts, but definitely interested in your stuff. I'm not going to pretend I know anything about growing because I don't know jackshit, but damn those plants have come a long way it looks. Two plants sure take up a lot of space. You seem pretty knowledgable on the subject, and that shows a lot considering your age. I wouldn't mind maybe trying it if I had my own place, but it seems like a pain from what I've read in this thread. Just wondering, how much did this project run you?

Anyway, I had to chime in and wish you the best, and hopefully your yield is as expected or more. Is there a possible estimation on when everything's going to be ready to light up?

Lol Mac so glad you stopped by. Umm the total cost came some where around $700-800 USD. Not over 800 though lol. And yeah the reason why is because of the same sad story I told many times before. Long story short, I found something that helped me with my problems and dedicated a part of my self to it. It's not really that hard to understand once you start reading and watching videos and reading other peoples threads. I've had to study over 200 different threads, 30 different movies and like 90 different books (and papers such as SSUK) before I grew. Studying different grow logs are VERY, probably the best way to learn. It's good to look into to them and get knowledge because you follow along with what growers are actually doing rather than reading a book that is explaining to you how your grow should go if you have all the right tools.

I started it all at the age of 13. And yeah those two plants sure did take up a lot of space. Tied them down good and I guess that's why they took up so much room. Next time I'm gonna try to top one and pinch the other. I just want to see what the result is gonna be like. And yeah, at times growing IS a pain in the brain, especially when you're hung up like me over yield. I'm a person that likes to get a lot of what ever I want and relax and not worry about running out any time soon so I'm hoping for at least 2 oz, I'll definitely stretch it to last for about 3 months because recently I stopped smoking every day, I might smoke one day and stop for 3 and smoke again. In this case I'm trying to stop until my yield is done so I can enjoy it to the fullest :). I think you should start a grow Mac if you're interested. Sure is a nice hobby to have and also nice to know JUST exactly where your weed came from and grown for your likings. And yeah everything on this grow is scheduled because I was trying to get it done before a certain point. That's why I started my seeds off before I even got the lights I needed just to start them off right on schedule. I'm really estimating that they'll be done sometime during the last week of June/first week of July. I know they'll be done before the 3rd week of July for sure.

FreeVenice

06-11-2007, 07:24 PM

Looking great, I don't know about July though.

orangeman

06-11-2007, 07:24 PM

Oh btw 34 days into flowering, 4th week :cool:.

FreeVenice

06-11-2007, 07:28 PM

Lets see some more pics. Maybe late July

atsar

06-11-2007, 09:29 PM

I'm a person that likes to get a lot of what ever I want and relax and not worry about running out any time soon so I'm hoping for at least 2 oz, I'll definitely stretch it to last for about 3 months because recently I stopped smoking every day, I might smoke one day and stop for 3 and smoke again. In this case I'm trying to stop until my yield is done so I can enjoy it to the fullest :).

just gotta say,you might want to be a bit more optimistic with the yeild,everything is spot on and looks like a veteran grow not a first time grow,no experience of the 250w light as i use 400,but i'm positive you'll get 2oz+ per plant

just1 other thing,regarding the scrog,i don't know if you seen the final results of my scrog,but i gotta say i was a little disappointed,the plant under the scrog was a clone from my previous grow,but the previous grow yeilded me 4 and a half ounces,scrog only 4

orangeman

06-11-2007, 09:36 PM

Yeah atsar actually I think I might hold back on ScroG. It gave me a major headache yesterday. Considering males and building the screen and sexing before I train them and dealing with all the extra weeks of vegging and dealing with the possibility of slower plants from seed and ugh, I think I'll just top them next time around and give them a heavy LSTing.

orangeman

06-12-2007, 02:55 AM

Well visited them today. And I'm happy to confirm those things are trying to form heads! And wow it's crazy how much trichomes were produced since I last seen 'em. There is still this bigger than most green looking thing on my plant. I took a screw and I poked at it. Hopefully it's not sensitive because I even cracked it open a bit. I think I see some hairs in there but I just never seen anything like that before so I didn't know if it was a hermie or what. But anyways I just had to get a scent so I grabbed a leaf that was covered in crystals and squeezed it and wow. I literally ran and spun around 3 times because the smell was so amazing when I stuck my finger up my nose and sniffed for about 10 seconds lol. Hard to describe, I suck at describing things but just know it smells sooo damn good. Also glad to know they aren't stinking up my whole basement. I can clearly see the trichomes through the microscope now and they have started to grow stalks. The heads are all clear except for a few which are cloudy already. A lot of pistils on my left plant has brownish pistils but what ever, I guess they are fine. Also there is very very very small yellow growth on the growth tips. I gave them flowering nutrients a few days back and they even showed they had a lot in the run off water so I dunno what's going on with that but I hope it doesn't get bad. Also is it normal for leaves to fall off like every week, they are leaves way from the bottom of the plant so I have no problem but I was just hoping it didn't end up happening to the top of my plant when all the dead leaves on the bottom were gone. I noticed a web that was made in my pot not even fully built and it was small, but I know it didn't appear out of no where so a bug built it. There hasn't been any bugs on my plant so I'm guessing what ever it is, it won't bother my buds. I can't wait for the up coming weeks, this is gonna be some smoke I don't think I'll ever forget xD.

postmandave

06-12-2007, 02:42 PM

looking good orange man .very good indeed mate.dave

JustinSKS

06-12-2007, 03:26 PM

Orangeman, I've been reading through this grow log of your's never got around to posting it. I must say you've been doing an awesome job. I read about all your mistakes and stuff. Good to see everything recovered and is on it's way to eventually get you to where ya gotta be! Well, I'll be following this thread up till harvest. Can't wait to see what ya get out of it. :D Peace.

orangeman

06-13-2007, 12:48 AM

Thanks everyone, I just had a happy 17th b-day I guess lol. I bought a few things, nothin' much cuz us poor folk can't afford a lot (yeah right, I invested over $600 on a grow op lol) but it was cool :). I might post some pics tonight since I haven't posted any in a while.

orangeman

06-13-2007, 02:24 AM

The first pic is of the bud that has that whitish/greenish thing on it. Not really focused but I guess it's easy to spot when you see a bunch of calyxes with pistils coming out and one giant thing with nothing lol. Also I don't have a measuring stick or anything so I don't know how close the lights are, only thing that can show how far they are is the pic I posted. But I decided to move lights closer hoping that it may help. They are 4 weeks into flower so are they gonna be doing any more stretching? I wanna know because I don't want to come back 2 days later and the plants end up closer than they need to be. Now temps do reach 80-85 but I have a fan blowing directly on the light so will that help defeat some heat related issues? The dehumidifier keeps the room at a humidity of 50-55%, I guess that's alright. I have to keep it like that because if it goes any lower the temps go up more. When I stick my hand under the tops of the plants it doesn't seem too warm because of the breeze from the fan so I'm guessing they're fine? I really don't want them to be damaged by heat but the closer the lights get it seems like they get more light and there is more penetration to the bottom so I'm sure the bud development should pick up down there :).

JustinSKS

06-13-2007, 05:33 AM

Well a good rule of thumb is that if it's too hot on the back of your hand, then it's probably too hot for your plants.

BuddyX

06-13-2007, 06:07 AM

how old are these plants?

Dizzy1

06-13-2007, 07:03 AM

Nice job! Plants are looking upright and tight, out of sight, dyn o mite! :thumbsup:

orangeman

06-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Nice job! Plants are looking upright and tight, out of sight, dyn o mite! :thumbsup:

LOL nice rhymes! :D

And the plants are 4 weeks and 3 days (36 days into flowering).

And yeah Justin that's what I was going by but the temps and the fact that it wasn't hot on the back of my hand just confused me..I dunno, they'll be fine, I just gotta keep humidity in a certain range and the temps usually are fine.

BuddyX

06-13-2007, 05:12 PM

they look very nice

orangeman

06-13-2007, 10:53 PM

Question for those experienced in this area because I really don't need any errors this far into the thing. How much nutrients should I give them next time I water? I'm gonna feed them after the next 2 feed-free waterings. The last time I gave them nutes I gave them 1/2 tsp.

BuddyX

06-14-2007, 01:25 AM

wat nutrients you useing?

orangeman

06-14-2007, 02:39 AM

FloraNova Bloom (http://www.planetnatural.com/site/flora-nova-bloom.html)

BuddyX

06-14-2007, 03:20 AM

these are only 3 wks and already buddin?

BuddyX

06-14-2007, 03:21 AM

justin SKS? Some kind swag?

orangeman

06-14-2007, 03:30 AM

What? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

TheGreenFog

06-14-2007, 05:24 AM

Looking great O-man! :thumbsup: Can't wait to see 'em finish. :)

The Fog :rastasmoke:

FreeVenice

06-14-2007, 09:49 AM

I suck at feeding so i don't really have good advise on feeding, but i would go with every other day, and stop about 2 weeks before harvest. Also, I was suggested Black Strap Mallasus to help bulk up my plants, it provides alot of off nutes that are not in normal feeds. . .Good luck, looking great.

This was in your link . . . How do I use the FloraNova Series?
For hydroponics and aeroponics, mix FloraNova (Grow or Bloom, depending on plant phase) into reservoir or irrigation system to the desired ppm level (one to three teaspoons on average). For soil and soil less, media mix 1/4 strength solution of desired ppm each watering or full strength every third watering.

orangeman

06-14-2007, 05:33 PM

Well I never knew how easy it would be to learn my plants. People correct me if I'm wrong about this thing but the plant that is bigger seems to like more nutes. Reason why I say this is because I treat both plants the same so basically they both were given the same amount of nutes at the same time. But the one on the right has a lot more clear of run-off water. Like it's less yellow, the other plant has run-off water that is VERY yellow so I guess it's not taking up all those extra nutrients so I might give the one on the right a stronger dose of nutes after the next watering and just leave the other plant alone until I see clear run off water and then give it more nutes. Also does excess heat make the plants pistils turn reddish? Just wondering because one plant has a lot more red pistils forming already almost on every bud. Also some leaves are starting to get a goldish hue, I don't know what that means but if it's nothing then it'd be cool if they start to change colors lol.

JustinSKS

06-14-2007, 11:06 PM

justin SKS? Some kind swag?

Back in the day i used to want to make stick animations in Flash. Stick Killing Studios. I keep the SKS as my web-handle just as a memory of times past. I'm still planning to get into animation and web design and shit still.

orangeman

06-15-2007, 04:17 AM

Damn Justin, I used to animate sticks too lol. Here's a page of my old animations I think the fav of mines was Death Methods which was featuring another good stick animator named SilentKillah and the Caliber Collab.

NG Search - BlAcKjAcK (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/search.php?terms=BlAcKjAcK&kind=a&x=0&y=0)

If I ever get the right inspiration I might go back.

JustinSKS

06-15-2007, 04:57 AM

orangeman

06-15-2007, 01:24 PM

Lol damn, I used to be at Newgrounds a lot when I was into animation. I think I stopped when SSla got shut down because that was the only real place that was popular and appreciated stick animations. Newgrounds sorta hates 'em.

orangeman

06-15-2007, 02:55 PM

Guys just one more question. Is it too late into flowering to still spray those things with pesticide? I don't think they have any mites on them but I did have them before. I just want to be sure because I don't want to wait until the 8th week to find out I have an infestation going on in my room. It says I can use up to the day of harvest so...I guess so :p.

FreeVenice

06-15-2007, 03:24 PM

Buy some ladybugs, they will be able to get the job done without any effects on the plant.

JustinSKS

06-15-2007, 04:05 PM

I remember seeing you on the BBS at times. I remember your username. And I agree with lady bug thing.

orangeman

06-15-2007, 04:28 PM

Y'know that's odd. Lady bugs are the only bugs I don't mind being around. I just wouldn't be inspecting my buds too much because I wouldn't want any to fly in my mouth lol. But I don't know, how would I get rid of them when I didn't need them anymore?

But then again like I said my pesticide said it could be used up all the way to harvest so I think I will continue to use it if I see any mites. I don't think I have any really, I used to be able to see them with my clear eye if I looked close enough, and I can't see any. But I just read a thing about them that is gonna make me double check tonight.

This is the pesticide FoxFarm Don't Bug Me spray from 4 hydroponics.com by Growco Indoor Garden Supply (http://www.4hydroponics.com/grow_room/dontbug.asp)