Would your conscience let you?

[Whos Carl]

If you worked behind a bar would you serve a pregnant woman with alcohol?

[Marijuana connoisseu]

Yes - what kind of a question is that? Why would I be working in a bar? I don't care about her or her offspring.:pimp:

[Nochowderforyou]

I'd serve her. It's not my business what anyone does while they're pregnant, and it's not in my right to interfere.

BUT, if she started having multiple drinks, I would advise her that she is pregnant, and maybe she should consider the health of their child. I wouldn't refuse her, but I would make a suggestion.

[Sweeney]

Her life, her choices.

[MaryjaneAndHashley]

Pretty much what Nochowder said.

[originalblu]

could you not serve her???

[stever0527]

I'll do my job and serve her.

[cfvgcfvg]

HELL NO, I wouldn't. You wanna drink yourself to death, fine, but I don't stand by while innocent people get abused.

That said, are you sure she's prego, cause once I almost congradulated someone on their soon-to-be offspring, but didn't just in case. She wasn't pregnant, oops. Also my in-law was congradulated 2-3 times before she got pregnant. Some women just get fat guts.

[halfassedjediknight]

your job isnt surgeon general, or better yet moral judge. its bartender.

you pour, you serve. you dont question. your job isnt to imply or push your beliefs.

[Polymirize]

this establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

fuck no.

[Whos Carl]

I personally wouldnt serve her.

[halfassedjediknight]

this establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

fuck no.

if you failed to serve another race with no explaination, it would be construed as racism, and you would possibly be facing a potential civil rights lawsuit.

that term doesnt mean the establishment reserves the right to pass judgement on anyone. and personal belief should not be enforced in the workplace.

thats my 2 cents.

[ATrain]

I'd probably explain to her the risks and then let her make the choice and go with that :jointsmile:

[napolitana869]

would you be fired if you didnt serve her? I know you its bad to pass judgement, but thats dangerous. If it was like a glass of whine I might look the other way, but beyond that I dont know what I would do.

[halfassedjediknight]

would you be fired if you didnt serve her? I know you its bad to pass judgement, but thats dangerous. If it was like a glass of whine I might look the other way, but beyond that I dont know what I would do.

well we cant be judging what alcohol is good and what is bad. alcohol is alcohol.

[napolitana869]

you know that totally brings to light a cultural bias I didnt realize I had. You're right though. I get more of a buzz from a glass of wine than from a beer. I never thought of it that way.

[halfassedjediknight]

you know that totally brings to light a cultural bias I didnt realize I had. You're right though. I get more of a buzz from a glass of wine than from a beer. I never thought of it that way.

well most wine consists of roughly 12-15 percent alcohol content.

most beers around 5-6 percent.

thats most likely why!

[napolitana869]

yeah I know, but culturally we're taught that drinking a glass of wine is "better" than drinking a beer because its a high status activity. Sorry I'm having the type of high where I really read into things

[halfassedjediknight]

yeah I know, but culturally we're taught that drinking a glass of wine is "better" than drinking a beer because its a high status activity. Sorry I'm having the type of high where I really read into things

what about the crust punks drinking boones farm wine? :D

[NextLineIsMine]

Heres a similar example of personal ethics in the workplace which I think is bad

Rightwing and catholic pharamacists started refusing to sell morning after and birth control pills because of their own personal beliefs, which should have nothing to do with someone elses business

[napolitana869]

Heres a similar example of personal ethics in the workplace which I think is bad

Rightwing and catholic pharamacists started refusing to sell morning after and birth control pills because of their own personal beliefs, which should have nothing to do with someone elses business

I dont think the two are comparable

[halfassedjediknight]

I dont think the two are comparable

hes more so replying to my statement "personal ethics dont belong in the workplace" rather than comparing the two.

but it is comparable in the sense of personal ethics being enforced in the workplace.

[smoke it]

sure, i'd do it.

[Jimbob1310]

HELL NO, I wouldn't. You wanna drink yourself to death, fine, but I don't stand by while innocent people get abused.

That said, are you sure she's prego, cause once I almost congradulated someone on their soon-to-be offspring, but didn't just in case. She wasn't pregnant, oops. Also my in-law was congradulated 2-3 times before she got pregnant. Some women just get fat guts.

oh god, that happened to me a few months ago and i felt horrible...

i was at walmart and i saw a woman alone near me who looked unmistakeably pregnant. and i, just trying to be nice, said "congratulations on the baby, whens the sweetheart due?"

oh god i was so ashamed...:(

[midlifecrisis]

Would you let your friend, who is smashed, drunk, totally inebriated drive home? Or would you be concerned for their safety?

[halfassedjediknight]

Would you let your friend, who is smashed, drunk, totally inebriated drive home? or would be concerned for their safety?


I

whats that have to do with this thread?

drunk driving is illegal.

drinking whilst pregnant is not.

[midlifecrisis]

whats that have to do with this thread?

drunk driving is illegal.

drinking whilst pregnant is not.

OK, Let's say your friend wants to practice juggling chainsaws (for the first time) would you stop them???

The point is, if you know something is not right, would you let it happen?

The law does not always dictate your conscious.

[halfassedjediknight]

OK, Let's say your friend wants to practice juggling chainsaws (for the first time) would you stop them???

The point is, if you know something is not right, would you let it happen?

The law does not always dictate your conscious.

whos to say juggling chainsaws isnt right?

dude youre 12.

edit: that was wrong of me to say. but still, if someone is juggling chainsaws, they obviously are skilled enough to be.

i have yet to hear a reasonable arguement from you.

[halfassedjediknight]

ps, this brings me back to "personal belief does not belong in the workplace"

you can push all your consciencious beliefs all you want..but that all stops at work.

[napolitana869]

I think what he's getting at is that its dangerous and you can kill or damage someone for the rest of their lives. Thats a fact, not a personal belief. Thats the argument.

[halfassedjediknight]

I think what he's getting at is that its dangerous and you can kill or damage someone for the rest of their lives. Thats a fact, not a personal belief. Thats the argument.

yeah well anyone drinking can kill or damage. its a bar.

the fact is that it is a pregnant woman, and youre debating weither or not to serve her, makes it an entirely personal debate.

[midlifecrisis]

who's to say juggling chainsaws isn't right?

dude you're 12.

edit: that was wrong of me to say. but still, if someone is juggling chainsaws, they obviously are skilled enough to be.

i have yet to hear a reasonable argument from you.

I am not condemning chainsaw juggling, however if my friend (who is drunk) decided to try this for the first time , I would like to think I would talk some sense into him.

Do you think it is OK for a women to drink whilst pregnant? Or it is just none of your business what she does?





By the way, that was sarcasm in the other thread. :jointsmile:

[halfassedjediknight]

I am not condeming chainsaw juggling, however if my friend (who is drunk) decided to try this for the first time , I would like to think I would talk some sense into him.

Do you think it iss ok for a women to drink whilst pregnant? Or it is just none of your business what she does?





By the way, that was sarcasm in the other thread. :jointsmile:


actually yeah, it is none of your business.

you arent her personal babysitter, and you arent here to make her choices for her. the fact is that she is a grown woman, and capable of making her own decisions.

and to humor your first comment..yeah if my friend was drunk, had no prior juggling experience..of course i wouldnt let him juggle chainsaws. that is common sense. darrgh.

[napolitana869]

The person the pregnant woman would be damaging is the child. It’s a debate of if you should intervene in a woman causing permanent physical and mental damage to her baby or should you stay out of it. I don’t know, maybe I’m missing your point.

[halfassedjediknight]

The person the pregnant woman would be damaging is the child. Itâ??s a debate of if you should intervene in a woman causing permanent physical and mental damage to her baby or should you stay out of it. I donâ??t know, maybe Iâ??m missing your point.

my point is, its none of your business what the woman is doing, because it is her body.

and im not saying drinking doesnt do any harm. trust me i know what fetal alcohol syndrome is.

to get to the point and bottom line...it is a bar, it is your job to serve, and not to push consciencous, religious, or personal beliefs on anyone. period.

[birdgirl73]

I wouldn't serve her. But I'd tell her that there was certainly nothing stopping her from having a drnink in the privacy of her own home, where the only potential liability would be that of herself and her unborn baby.

I also wouldn't serve her if she were drunk and apt to try and drive a car. Again, the liability issue.

[napolitana869]

I just can't help but think of it in the same way as seeing someone beat their kids.

[halfassedjediknight]

I just can't help but think of it in the same way as seeing someone beat their kids.

if drinking whilst pregnant were child abuse, there would be a law against it already.

[birdgirl73]

That's how we got the FDA-driven liquor labeling laws in the United States that warn that drinking alcohol may cause harm to a fetus. . . . because it is essentially considered a form of choice-based fetus abuse.

[midlifecrisis]

I can't help but feel a little bit sad right now.

[higher4hockey]

i would not serve a pregnant woman. ever.

[slipknotpsycho]

what she does to her unborn child or herself isn't my responsibility, nor do i really care about either.

as said earlier, if it started coming around to multiple drinks, i might, say something, but i still wouldn't completely refuse...

look at it logically, you don't serve her, you're more than likely just gonna piss her off... she's gonna go to another bar or a liquor store or something and get her alcohol, only now, she's aggervated and more than likely going to drink even more then she would have if i had just served her... and might even do something stupid like get in a fight cuz she's piss drunk and aggervated.

seriously, anyone that's ever spent a good deal of time around a pregnant woman knows, you don't fucking tell them no... they don't understand the word.... you say no, you're opening a 30 minute bitch fest, and guess what... after she's done she's gonna get what she wanted in the first place anyways.

[BabyFacedAbortion]

I'm going to bartending school in about a year, this situation made me think.

In conclusion to that, I've made my decision.

No, I wouldn't serve the stupid bitch.
There are other bars and other bartenders. I'm not going to waste my time with a drunk pregnant women and I'm not going to be at risk to be sued when the baby comes out with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. While it won't be my fault the dumbass drank, it's not mcdonald's fault the fatass ate. No reason to risk it.

While a part of my motherly instincts cares for the baby-to-be, the rest of me doesn't. I just want to keep my ass innocent.

UNLESS I would get fired.
That might be a different story.

Edit:
I would have to be 100 percent sure she's pregnant. Only after the words "im pregnant" or "the baby's due on..." come out of her mouth would I rethink serving her.

[greenmeanie]

Dammit, I was perfectly happy being a non-posting lurker of the forums. But y'all made me join just because of this thread.

This is not an issue of morals. This is an issue about truth and health. If you serve a pregnant woman alcohol, you are damaging her child. Period. Nobody can argue that. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is not a debate between Christians and Atheists. It is a cold hard medical fact that C2H5OH will permanently damage the brain of an unborn, developing child. If a woman, clearly pregnant, asked me to serve her a drink (even a single beer) I would refuse and give her a glass of water/sprite/rootbeer/milk on the house. No manager would fire me. Hell, if she got on my case for not giving her a drink, my manager would probably ask her to leave the establishment.

In case you're wondering, I'm not "pro-life" or "anti-abortion". If a woman makes a mistake and cannot support a child in her life, I fully believe that she has the right to get an abortion in the first trimester. But if she is planning on carrying the baby to full term, I will not be an accomplice to brain damage. She can be a menace to the human race somewhere else.

[yoda]

if i knew she was really pregnant, hell no i wouldnt serve her. wouldnt care if my job was on the line, or if i owned the bar and it was in danger, my conscience is likely to eat me up alive. like i had a chance to make a good impact, but i didnt. now she could get drunk anywhere else, but atleast it isnt on my shoulders.

[MacWQ33]

if i knew she was really pregnant, hell no i wouldnt serve her. wouldnt care if my job was on the line, or if i owned the bar and it was in danger, my conscience is likely to eat me up alive. like i had a chance to make a good impact, but i didnt. now she could get drunk anywhere else, but atleast it isnt on my shoulders.

Exactly, the question was about conscience. I personally couldn't just 'not give a shit' about a soon to be human and continue my job. And come on lol, a bartender is not the most serious job in the world. Usually a side job anyway...and you're not going to get fired for not serving a $5 beer to a pregnant woman (I would hope it would be closer to the other way around). Besides Slip's point of her getting mad...some dumb arguments IMO.

[cfvgcfvg]

my point is, its none of your business what the woman is doing, because it is her body.

and im not saying drinking doesnt do any harm. trust me i know what fetal alcohol syndrome is.

to get to the point and bottom line...it is a bar, it is your job to serve, and not to push consciencous, religious, or personal beliefs on anyone. period.

I'm sorry, but it is not her body, it is her childs body. Her child should have the same opportunity you and I have, to be productive, useful members of society. if you knew anyone who had F.A.S. you wouldn't dismiss her actions so easily. It pains me to death to see see the havoc wreaked upon people I know because of F.A.S.

[BabyFacedAbortion]

My best friend's uncle supposedly have it (it's what the doctors think atleast), and while I've not seen him, I've heard stories and it's terrible, seriously.

[vileoxidation]

I'm sorry, but it is not her body, it is her childs body. Her child should have the same opportunity you and I have, to be productive, useful members of society. if you knew anyone who had F.A.S. you wouldn't dismiss her actions so easily. It pains me to death to see see the havoc wreaked upon people I know because of F.A.S.

Yeah, this is what I was going to say. If it was her body alone that she was damaging, let the bitch do what she wants. But just because she maybe a dumb bitch who doesn't know any better and decided to have children even though she is dumb doesn't mean the child deserves to be punished through FAS.

[napolitana869]

I love how you accidentally misspelled "wine", and said "whine" which means to complain. Maybe she's whining about something and so you give her wine, or maybe you'll whine to her about the effects of drinking wine while pregnant.

freudian slip?

[BabySnookums]

whats that have to do with this thread?

drunk driving is illegal.

drinking whilst pregnant is not.

but if someone really wanted to take it this far:

you can get in trouble for leaving a child alone in a car, at home, or leaving guns in the house where they're accesible to kids....i believe its "reckless child endangerment"...

and you aren't legally allowed to abort a fetus after a certain point...at which it becomes "an actual human" not just an embryo or w/e they wanna refer to it is.

so IF she's pregnant past the "point of no return", i.e. its considered its own being and cannot be aborted, and she's drinking....one could argue reckless child endangerment...

bit of a stretch, law-wise....but i bet theres a damned good lawyer out there who could make it stick...

[the yeag]

i would serve her. it is her right to drink responsibly. personally i find it wrong but on the other hand any woman who is comfortable in a bar pregnant and has the balls to drink responsibly...like having a beer or a glass of wine or two shows confidence. we need more confident woman out there.

[Matt the Funk]

I'd serve her, but if she wanted too much for my liking i'd stop. I'm not going to help fuck up someones life for a job...

[Wintersweet]

I'd serve her.
It's not my business as to whether she's drinking whilst pregnant or not.
She may not even be pregnant.
And I am a firm believer in that once you're in the later stages of pregnancy (so...when she is noticeably pregnant), one drink will not harm anyone.

If she kept drinking, I might make a comment.
But if she's not going to care about having a drink in the first place, then my talking to her won't make any difference.

[mamma puffpuff420]

if the woman is drinking in bar's
then she's probaby drinking at home and other place's
id dont believe she can sue some 1 for her child haveing f.a.c.
i worked in bar's 4 year's started when i was 17
i can not remember any pregnat women even coming in2 my bar
so luckily i never had 2 deal with that sorta thing
i dont think id serve her if i knew she was pregnant
i dont know if 1 can get fired if the woman complained tho
this is a hard 1 ,4 sure
her rite's and ur moral judgment
just do what ur heart tell's u

[Polymirize]

if you failed to serve another race with no explaination, it would be construed as racism, and you would possibly be facing a potential civil rights lawsuit.

that term doesnt mean the establishment reserves the right to pass judgement on anyone. and personal belief should not be enforced in the workplace.

thats my 2 cents.

How the hell did I go from refusing to serve alcohol to a pregnant woman to being a racist? That's the worst counterargument I've ever heard and trust me, that is saying something on these boards.

I'm not passing judgement. I'm personally choosing to refuse service. The lush can go get as hammered as she likes in some other bar with some of you more shady bartenders.
For that matter, when do you draw the line with serving just regular drunks? If someone's on their 35th shot are going to pour them their next? Bearing in mind that you might be liable if this person dies during the night...

The last thing I'd need as a bartender is some "developmentally challenged" kid sueing me for everything I had 15 years down the road because I let his mom get drunk one night oh so long ago.

[rebgirl420]

hell no!

[thcbongman]

No because of possible liability issues. Go somewhere else!

[rebgirl420]

How the hell did I go from refusing to serve alcohol to a pregnant woman to being a racist? That's the worst counterargument I've ever heard and trust me, that is saying something on these boards.

I'm not passing judgement. I'm personally choosing to refuse service. The lush can go get as hammered as she likes in some other bar with some of you more shady bartenders.
For that matter, when do you draw the line with serving just regular drunks? If someone's on their 35th shot are going to pour them their next? Bearing in mind that you might be liable if this person dies during the night...

The last thing I'd need as a bartender is some "developmentally challenged" kid sueing me for everything I had 15 years down the road because I let his mom get drunk one night oh so long ago.

exactly! What an absord question. If you are pregnant WTF are you doing wanting a drink anyway. If you cant control yourself, even when your pregnant, then you have a fucking problem. Your willing to risk that shit?

[Reefer Rogue]

I wouldn't serve her, I wouldn't get fired, if i did i wouldn't care because i don't wanna be a bar tender...

[Whos Carl]

I think the main point that has come all these responses are that 1 drink is acceptable but if they were having more than 1 would make people think twice about it,

[madeline]

Anyone who would deny her the right to consume a legal beverage belongs in the Bush White House.
and this is directed to the guy on the first page and any other person who said no>>>Who are you to deny anyone anything just because you happen to think it would be bad for her? Are you an expert? Are you her conscience? Are you anyone other than someone special who wants to be empowered to the point of controling another's personal life and choices?

If so, what the hell are you doing here???

[Stellar]

I've gieven lines to pregenant women....

Its their choice. My conscience would go as far as to cut her after I've seen her drink her fourth. It would be unproffessional to refuse to do your job, but, as a bartender, you have to authority to stop serving anyone at any time. I've worked at a few bars and done this more than once to pregnant women. I never liked seeing them drunk. I just tell them I'm done serving them for the night. I never made them get up and leave, but I've broken a few bottles when Mister Slick would try to sneak his knocked-up lady a drink after I cut her off.

You also have to take to note that, if you don't serve the lady, aren't they just gonna go somewhere and buy liqour or beer or go to another bar that will just think shes fat? At least I got to be responsible for them for periods of time, rather than force them to go somewhere where I have 0 say over the proceedings.

[Crosis]

I honestly couldn't care whether she or her baby lives or dies. I'll feed her liquor 'till her liver quits so long as she keeps paying for it. Call me cold hearted, but I don't give a damn about strangers.

[Coelho]

Well... if i worked in a bar, i would be fully conscious i would be serving poison for people, pregnant or not. I would be fully conscious people could die by driving drunk, commit crimes, and do all the shit drunk people do.

So, if my conscience would let me work in a bar, that would be cause i would not give a damn about people. In this case, i would serve anybody, pregnant or not.

Anyway, i hope never to work in such places...

[memoryburner]

I would serve her. No doubt about it. If she isnt bothered by the possible outcome, thats her fault.

[Oneironaut]

No, I would not. Similarly, if I were a kickboxing teacher, I would not teach a pregnant lady how to kickbox.

[halfassedjediknight]

How the hell did I go from refusing to serve alcohol to a pregnant woman to being a racist? That's the worst counterargument I've ever heard and trust me, that is saying something on these boards.

I'm not passing judgement. I'm personally choosing to refuse service. The lush can go get as hammered as she likes in some other bar with some of you more shady bartenders.
For that matter, when do you draw the line with serving just regular drunks? If someone's on their 35th shot are going to pour them their next? Bearing in mind that you might be liable if this person dies during the night...

The last thing I'd need as a bartender is some "developmentally challenged" kid sueing me for everything I had 15 years down the road because I let his mom get drunk one night oh so long ago.

I never called you a racist, i just gave an example of refusal and civil rights being obstructed. so it was a little drastic, but im sure you got the point, so dont act like you didnt.

and yes you are passing judgement. any refusal has some sort of scrutiny and judgement being made, dont make me bring up how the mind works and how you decide things.

as far as how much is too much, i.e. your 35th shot example..bartenders are trained to know when to cut someone off. and if youre serving someone that much, you should know how much theyve had and therefore, should have the intuition or know-how to know when someone has had enough.

[tootsie roll]

this establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

fuck no.

That's right.
Nope, I wouldn't serve her either. I don't serve fetus' and 2nd or 3rd trimester babies.
What she does at home isn't my issue. What she wants to make me do is my issue.
Babies don't necessarly want to get drunk. Mommy should respect that.

[make it legal]

Refusing her would be acting like our very own government who denys us weed and thinks they know what's better for us.

[vileoxidation]

Refusing her would be acting like our very own government who denys us weed and thinks they know what's better for us.

If weed caused something as awful as FAS, this might be a valid argument...

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed. The harm of alcohol on fetuses is VERY well-proven and well-documented, and is more of a danger to society then weed really is at all.

[halfassedjediknight]

If weed caused something as awful as FAS, this might be a valid argument...

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed. The harm of alcohol on fetuses is VERY well-proven and well-documented, and is more of a danger to society then weed really is at all.

just because they dont know the harm of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

who knows the effects of ganja on an unborn child?

[tootsie roll]

Refusing her would be acting like our very own government who denys us weed and thinks they know what's better for us.


We are adults and make choices.
Can the unborn baby? Maybe it DOESN'T WANT FAS??? Ever think of that?

[birdgirl73]

No one seems to get that refusing to serve her isn't a matter of judgment, personal, moral, religious or otherwise--or even an infringement of her freedoms to drink. If we had a big issue with personal, moral or religious judgment, it's unlikely we'd be in the drink-serving business in the first place.

The pregnant lady can drink all she wants to at home or in her car or wherever. Those of us who've said we'd refuse to serve her are simply saying we'd refuse to do so because we understand liability. Nothing more than that. We also understand some fairly basic, easy medical science about developing fetuses. No one with any sense would serve an infant a drink. Or a preemie baby. Well, if we served their mother before they were born, we'd essentially be doing the same thing. We live in a plantiff's-action-crazed country and legal system. Most of us were simply looking at this from the standpoint of business owners trying to protect our business interests and also hoping not to damage a baby.

Halfassed, whether or not you believe Polymirize got your point or not, your point was indeed nonsensical. You're obviously heavily invested in the freedom aspect of this question, which is fine. But you made a leap from a simple would-you question to civil rights and racism. That was a total non-sequitor. And the two have nothing to do with one another here. Take a logic class. The do some reading about civil rights. The right to be served alcohol isn't among those. That's another matter entirely.

[vileoxidation]

just because they dont know the harm of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

who knows the effects of ganja on an unborn child?

Except that I wasn't talking about the effects of weed on a fetus. You compared to the government completely banning it, which is entirely different then comparing it to smoking while pregnant.

I was simply talking about the banning of it in general, which is what you were using in your comparison.

[halfassedjediknight]

Except that I wasn't talking about the effects of weed on a fetus. You compared to the government completely banning it, which is entirely different then comparing it to smoking while pregnant.

I was simply talking about the banning of it in general, which is what you were using in your comparison.

no someone else made that comparison i think. you got the wrong guy.

[vileoxidation]

no someone else made that comparison i think. you got the wrong guy.

That doesn't change the fact that I wasn't at all talking about the effect of weed of fetuses. It wasn't part of the debate.

[halfassedjediknight]

That doesn't change the fact that I wasn't at all talking about the effect of weed of fetuses. It wasn't part of the debate.

you said..

"If weed caused something as awful as FAS, this might be a valid argument...

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed. The harm of alcohol on fetuses is VERY well-proven and well-documented, and is more of a danger to society then weed really is at all."

so therefore..you were talking about the effect of weed on a fetus?

correct my mistake if im wrong.

[jawndoe]

I have been a Bartender for the past 4 years and on the rare occasion that a pregger asked for a drink I would only serve them non alcoholic drinks. It looks bad for the bartender and the rest of the establishment to be serving liquor to pregnant women. Plus it also saves her some embarrassment, and I don't feel bad because I didnt contribute to possible birth defects with a human being.... we are already fucked up as it is the last thing we need is more people born all fucked up.

[vileoxidation]

you said..

"If weed caused something as awful as FAS, this might be a valid argument...

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed. The harm of alcohol on fetuses is VERY well-proven and well-documented, and is more of a danger to society then weed really is at all."

so therefore..you were talking about the effect of weed on a fetus?

correct my mistake if im wrong.

Okay....

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed.

Does that sentence include anything about fetuses? The harm of weed IN GENERAL. I think I already made it clear that I was talking about the banning of weed in general, which was the original comparison that was made.

And even if that's not enough for you, then take it like this: fine, YOU'RE RIGHT, I said it wrong. That doesn't change what I was actually talking about, which I have reiterated multiple times now.

[halfassedjediknight]

Okay....

The government has little to no real research to back up their claims about the harm of weed.

Does that sentence include anything about fetuses? The harm of weed IN GENERAL. I think I already made it clear that I was talking about the banning of weed in general, which was the original comparison that was made.

And even if that's not enough for you, then take it like this: fine, YOU'RE RIGHT, I said it wrong. That doesn't change what I was talking about, which I have reiterated multiple times now.

the way you stated it made it very hard to comprehend that you werent talking about weeds effects on the fetus.

chill.

[vileoxidation]

the way you stated it made it very hard to comprehend that you werent talking about weeds effects on the fetus.

chill.

Well, seeing as the quote that I used was simply talking about banning in general, and the fact that each time I mentioned weed I didn't mention fetuses and each time I mentioned alcohol I did, I think I was pretty clear.

But I will certainly chill, and </hijack>.

Point: Government banning of weed in general is not comparable to not serving pregnant women. This is because the use of weed, in general, does not cause something such as FAS, which serving alcohol to pregnant women would certainly contribute to.

[hmb_ganja_fein]

Her life, her choices.

yea but its not her life, its her child's aswell
i wouldn't serve her, i know i cant help it, cause she'll probably just drink somewhere else, but at least i wouldn't be supporting it.
After a certain age people can decide for themselves what they want to do with their life, but i wont support having someone fuck up their kids entire life

[BUZz UK]

It's her childs life.

I'd personally serve her one drink, then if she wanted more, I'd suggest against it. I think after 2 drinks I stop serving her.



your job isnt surgeon general, or better yet moral judge. its bartender.

you pour, you serve. you dont question. your job isnt to imply or push your beliefs.

Yes, but should we detach ourselves into automatons for our time at work? I know the American workplace is a bit robotic though...

[GHoSToKeR]

I agree that if the situation arose it would be totally up to her to make that choice. But at the same time Iwouldn't give a pregnant chick a cigarette, so why would I serve her alcohol? I'd probably exhert my right to deny her alcohol while politely acknowledging her right to drink it if she wants to. :p

We're all responsible for eachother, dude.

[Plastic Jesus]

your job isnt surgeon general, or better yet moral judge. its bartender.

you pour, you serve. you dont question. your job isnt to imply or push your beliefs.

Dude. Obviously you have never been a bartender. What a moronic statement. I have. That is the dumbest thing I have heard on here for a while. You as bartender are fully responsible for the drinks you serve. You get somebody blasted and they walk out the door and kill somebody... you better believe you can be in BIG trouble. As a bartender, you are trained to serve alcohol with judgement. You look too young? I don't have to serve you. Your ID is clipped? I don't have to serve you. Your ID is expired, but you are obvioulsy 21? I don't have to serve you. You are acting drunk after 1 drink? I don't have to serve you. You look 9 months pregnant and you want a drink? I WON'T SERVE YOU!!!

It never happened in my experience. However, the bitch breast-feeding while sipping on a Corona? the reaction from everybody around basically answered the initial question.

Sorry Jedi, you're wrong!