Did God create evil?

[slipknotpsycho]

It blows my mind how people can belive there is no god. Talk to a Shaman, Druid, Enlightened master, Ascended master..Well I guess thats why ..most people have not met others connected to God and therefore are just extremely unedjucated wandering around in darkness bumping into stuff.

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.

[BabySnookums]

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.

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[rebgirl420]

That was the stupidest thing ive ever seen. And that says alot.

[Polymirize]

religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

I don't think the world would be worse off at all if the vast majority of people didn't believe in magical things. Maybe they'd have to take responsibility for watching themselves then. Which of course, means you don't just get to follow your instincts to self-gratification, unless you want to make a fucking animal out of yourself.

But on a broader note, and this is only in the interest of fairness... You only seem to be posing arguments based on biblical reasoning, which is obviously not the god PureEvil is committed too, since he mentions druids and shamans and numerous people who Christians tended to burn at the stake rather than interact with.

Just a thought...

[slipknotpsycho]

I don't think the world would be worse off at all if the vast majority of people didn't believe in magical things. Maybe they'd have to take responsibility for watching themselves then. Which of course, means you don't just get to follow your instincts to self-gratification, unless you want to make a fucking animal out of yourself.

But on a broader note, and this is only in the interest of fairness... You only seem to be posing arguments based on biblical reasoning, which is obviously not the god PureEvil is committed too, since he mentions druids and shamans and numerous people who Christians tended to burn at the stake rather than interact with.

Just a thought...

when ever i hear god, i assume we're talking biblical... cuz it's one of the most wide spread ideas. it's also the god i know the most about... doesn't matter much to me tho.. all 'gods' are just as fake to me... the thought there is a other-worldly being, that watches everything we do is illogical and impossible imo.

as for the world being worse off. i do believe it would be... that just my thought, cuz i look at everyday life, and i see people not doing things, they would probably otherwise do if they didn't feel they'd be punished for it... maybe not so much in our time, but back a ways, when law enforcement wasn't quite so effective or widespread. today, you usually have to answer for your crimes in court, but quite a while ago, you could easily commit murder or numerous other heinous crimes, and only face a small chance you might be caught.

[PureEvil760]

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.

I hope ur hand didnt get too tired cause i didnt read any of that.

[PlantBoxer]

I had the forced religion, forced on to me from birth, till I was old enough to run away from home. EVERY SUNDAY MORNING, SUNDAY EVENING, WEDNESDAY NIGHT PRAYER SERVICE!!! Bible study, Vacation Bible school, Prayer for old folks homes, prayer this and that!!Praise Jesus!!

I didnt hate Christianity, I didnt hate Catholics, nor anyone elses religion, but I didnt think things were right either, coming back from the dead, um yeah ok!! Many discrepancies in the bible, to much magic, magical beings. To much stuff that goes aginst scientific law. Then to just blindly say "it's a FAITH" !! Sorry that does not compute.

Then a few years ago, on a Libertarian web site, I stumbled into the letters from Thomas Paine, and I saw he was a Diest. I had never heard that term, so off I went to find out and read. In a very short while, as I was reading about the discrepancies in the bible...it dawned on me, this is what I believe, and damn, there are thousands of others, and it's not some fly by night, whacked out group, our first 3 presidenst were Diest's, or in other words, they believe in God as a creator, and if you can picture a clockmaker, that as he builds a clock, he starts the pendiulem swinging...then walks away and lets the clock do it's thing.

I've NEVER, in my life felt more at peace in my mind, as did that day. I will Never Ever, let any religious person make me feel inferior, because I dont believe in faith whatsoever. I believe in science, and what is explained by science, but faith... sorry none for me thanks anyway!!

[Matt the Funk]

I've NEVER, in my life felt more at peace in my mind, as did that day. I will Never Ever, let any religious person make me feel inferior, because I dont believe in faith whatsoever. I believe in science, and what is explained by science, but faith... sorry none for me thanks anyway!!

Word. Once I rid myself of a real relgion besides doing what I think is right, I've felt better and more free.

[thecreator]

I kinda got lost in the human words thing. I just don't like this argument because that means to take it further we would have to challenge the existence of everything with a man given name. Which is everything known to us. I could just as easily ask then what is Yahweh(God)? I know I've read in the dead sea scrolls and the Torah but again these are the words of man. I liked it but i think i would of challenged it a bit more if i were the professor.

[slipknotpsycho]

I hope ur hand didnt get too tired cause i didnt read any of that.

nope didn't get tired at all....