Wow, this post is still going... I posted on it a long time ago and just happened on it and read something like five pages at two in the morning. I'm not going to say much, just on the last page or two I've been impressed with a couple posts so I'd like to give a shout-out to a few posters.

To friendowl - I agree that to be a true feminist you have to see the shit, so to speak, I remember, with shame, a far younger me trying to impress a very forgiving TA that women have equality. *sigh. I've since come facetoface with that which I didn't believe.

To Staurm - I work in a sawmill and as usually the only woman in the lunchroom, if not the whole shift. I have to thank men like you that make my 8.5 hours a day a respectful, enriching, and openminded experience. (Save the patronizing idiot that calls himself the gentleman, of course.) Feminism is totally about being human!

To thecreator - second time today I totally agree with you on the same issue and similary to Staurm's comment, if we treated people as humans every day the world would be a far better place.

To Polymirize - as Slow said, you are a sharp mind and I admire the wisdom you displayed in your posts.

Cheers!