Wow this thread has sure taken off...my internet hasnt really been working lately so I havent been able to check up on this in awhile.

All I really have to say right now, is for newcomers who are watching the debate on the last few pages, to read the first page of this thread first. I think a lot of you (like Jack and Breulekan among others) haven't bothered to read it....in the first page I go thru what feminism is, what the goals are, what the misconceptions are, etc. It's strictly "educational" if you will, no arguing or anything, so please read it first before commenting or asking questions because I may have already covered it. Thanks.

And one more thing, to those of you who are saying/thinking "women have the same rights as men...the law says they do"...laws do not equal enforcement! Rights and laws don't mean anything unless those whom it pertains to are able to exercise those rights. Women are making much less than men in North America, and there are huge double standards. Most women work what is called the 'second shift'- they work 8+ hours a day at their job, then come home, and it's their 'job' to cook, clean and look after the kids. My stepmom does this cause my dad is a dominant a-hole...I'm glad my real mom divorced him.