Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73
If that does happen--and I passionately hope it won't--but if it does, I'm betting that agreement could only come from someone who's still a girl and who hasn't yet encountered the adult world. If a self-respecting adult woman declares her agreement with Jack, I, too, will be tongue-severed, Lady Greenjeans. And apoplectic.


My goals? Again, these are my humanist goals, which encompass all groups who're treated unfairly. If you substituted "humanism" or "human rights" for "feminism" in your post above, Jack, you'd see the folly in it right away.

- To get equal pay for equal work
We already have laws for that.

- To receive equal educations and have teachers and professors nurture girl and women, gay, and racially diverse students in the same way they do straight white male students, from K - post-graduate professional school
Translation: Affirmative action based on sex and race. "Special" considerations, and additional coddling for said recipients.

- To get equal consideration for all jobs
See above

- To be free from religious or political judgment or oppression
Women and minorities are not free of this type of behavior, but get away with it even more today.

- To receive and give equal courtesy (to have doors opened for us and to open doors for others, both literally and figuratively)
American men are still chivalrous, to a large extent, but you can't please everybody.

- To be seen as intellectually equal with 25- 55-something white men no matter what gender, race, age or sexual preference we are
To be "seen", whether they are or are not intellectually equal in every case? Generally speaking, nobody really takes intelligence into account as far as these criteriaâ??s go, but who is responsible for most of the world's inventions and scientific discoveries?

- To compete and be considered for physical jobs when we demonstrate physical equality (military combat and fire-fighting are two that pop into my head)
Men cannot be chivalrous and work with women in dangerous jobs at the same time. They have been raised, at least in America, to protect - and it is very dangerous for them to have women on the front lines in hazardous occupations such as firefighting. Their wives and female loved ones know this better then anyone.

- To have men of all races and geographies, particularly the ones who have a touch of machismo or religious-influenced women/gays/blacks-are-second-class-citizens attitudes, regard us as intellectual equals, and to have any women/gays/people of color who don't perceive us as such (and there are a frightening lot of them) regard us the same way
[B.Religions are primarily supported by women, minorities, and the working class. [/B]

- To have mastery of our own physical destiny, which extends to
[INDENT]1. Medical care (women, people of color, gays, and poor people lag behind in their quality of health care)
2. Our reproductive rights (men and women, particularly, but also transgendered people. Here I mean birth control, abortion, and surgery to add, subtract or create female or male reproductive organs )
Who is supposed to pay for this multi-minority sexual-fetish utopia?

3. Our right to die with dignity and, if we need it, with compassionate assistance[/INDENT
No argument there. :thumbsup:

- To have equal rights to marry or not to marry, whether we're women in a non-equality culture like Saudi Arabia, or gays
Let's not interfere with Saudi Arabia anymore. Gays should be allowed to have civil unions equivilent to marriage.

I seem to have exhausted my brain and can't think of any more, but I suspect there are lots more. I've studied for 9 hours today. So I don't have much ability to generate deep thought tonight.
Yes, it's "deep" - but I'd rather not say any more tonight, either!